Ep. 227 - Clobo's Catch-Up!

Big Food and be on with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and read it Lime Starch and Righteous Day and listening watching always keep it squatchy and now your hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bobo Fay, Hey, Bobs, what's happening man? How much? What's going on? Cliff? All sorts of stuff, really, all sorts of stuff. Summers winding down, the wildfires. I'm super happy about that. I get sketched out about that every year. Now. This is probably my least favorite

time of year. I thought, something, you're happy about them? No, no, no, no, not at all. They're super sketchy, know because I live in a tinder box. After all you're having there's lack of fires exactly. Yeah, I'm really happy there's a lack of fires right now. There was actually one in the sandy just like two miles from the house over the weekend, basically like on Sunday, I think it burst out. We had an electoral storm come through the night. It was pretty bitch

and watching it. But we're sitting on Oh no, there's thirteen. We had like a real low fire this summer, like nothing around here, and then the thirteen fires sparked up over that lightning storm and Bluff Creeks one of the one of the big ones, I guess are bigger. I was out of town for the weekend. I'll tell you about that in a minute. But Melissa was a little concerned because I don't want her to have to evacuate the house alone. No, that would be very problematic. And plus Sochi

was on the down two this week. My dog Sochi, she had surgery this week, just like minor surgery, had some benign weird things removed from her eyelid and off of her elbow and stuff. But that's to be expected, I think because she is deep down inside somewhere in her DNA she is sharpay. Yeah, because remember one of our producers got that DNA test for when when we found Sochy in the woods, and sharpay is in her.

And of course, when you breed animals to be weird in some sort of physical way, like a sharpay is kind of weird in their skin, you know, or just like a pug is weirdness nasal passages. You know that that's where they tend to have problems. But you know, she's doing fine. She's doing fine. But anyway, I didn't want with the complications of Sochi recovering from her surgery and me being out of town, I didn't want Melissa have to try to evacuate the house alone unfortunately, you know, but

she didn't. She didn't yet because Clackamus County fire folks. Man. God, I love the fire department here in Clackamus County. I mean just every one of them, and of course Sandy has her great has their their their Their fire department is fantastic and they took care of it in short order.

They're all professional, they're sharp, and Clackamus County has one of the local stations I free at, which one I think is fourteen or something like that uses a sasquatch wearing a fire fireman's hat or a fire person's hat, you know, with like the weird thing over the back of the neck and everything as their logo. I've seen that stick it in the shop. Well yeah, actually, the fire department people came in and gave us a poster that

they had made for their like local Clackamus County Fire department thing. You know. It was really cool, and they have stickers on their helmets with Sasquatches on it. Yeah, it's really cool. It's really cool. I will put that out. I'll send that to Matt Prude if he wants it, he can post it on our Patreon or members and stuff. So maybe they can check it out because Melissa and I took a picture put it on social media recently in front of one of their fire trucks because they have the sasquatch

logo on their fire trucks. I can't say enough nice things about the first responders around in local area here. That's really cool, is I think? I think a lot of money of it so on those is like, sure, it's no fundraisers, and of course I'd be happy to help them, and they know that too. Because there's a coffee place in the parking lot where the museum is, and I was Melissa and I think I think it

was Melissa. Yeah, I know it, sir. We went across the way to get a coffee and the fire department people were in there, and I knew they were there obviously their fire you know, uniforms, and I didn't know which which one they were in, so I asked them, did you know that there's a Sasquatch and so yeah, that's our station, and we started talking to them, and they've been in the museum a number of times. And the more first responders around the museum the better, as far

as I can tell. Well, that's a great place to evacuate too, because I mean there's no trees around you. It's it's in a parking lot. I mean, you're you're pretty safe there. I mean, that's something horrific, like just unreal happened. I mean, it'd be pretty safe, i'd imagine. Yeah, well, we had to evacuate the museum a couple of years ago. Do you remember that. Yeah, that's just proprotionary. Yeah, but it was kind of weird because you know where the museum is

next to Highway twenty six. Yeah, you know, we do evacuations Level one, two, three, Three means like get out you're in danger. Two means get ready to go, and number one means start thinking about it pretty heavily. Here it was, it was zone three at the high at the highway and on Highway twenty six between Highway twenty six and just then and Chester's Pub right on the other side of the museum there. It was zoned two and between Chester's Pub and Compton Road, the road that are, you

know, the turn off of to get into the parking lot. It was level one, so in like three hundred yards they went all three levels, you know. And I remember thinking back then and saying, well, you know what, some of the stuff is irreplaceable. There are artifacts here that cannot be replaced. Ever, we need to get those out of here, and so we did so, we did so we brought them over to Key's

house. But that was kind of sketchy. But you're right, there's not a lot to burn there except for a giant field of brambles right behind the shop or gas station, yeah right, or a gas station. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Well, what squash's going on? Oh well, you know, while I'll start with this, may have had them moved through last night here really maybe maybe it's been a while since I've heard anything. Melissa heard something maybe like two months ago. I forget

what it was. I think was a big knock or something behind the house. But last night last night, I was out, you know, it was it was after dark, It was after dark, and I was just like walking around, you know, just walking around the local property on the

grass. I think it was a dusk. I think it was just finishing watering and Fromember right, but it was a dusk, and out by the fire pit there I heard something like if you're facing the hill behind the house, you know, I heard something off to the left that seemed pretty big, and I thought dear at the time, and so I started walking to the west behind the house, and whatever suddenly it was above me and kind

of pacing me, and I thought that was weird. I thinking, oh, what the heck is this is a cat or something, And so I went up on the porch and headed into the house, you know, because I don't want to dance with the mountain lion, you know, close and personal. You know, I just kind of forgot about it. And then a few hours later, this is probably around midnight or something like that,

Melissa had already gone to bed. And I love this. I mean, I just got done saying this is my least favorite time of year, but I love this time of year. You know, I can have both. That just means I like the other times of the year perhaps more except for the dead Dead winner February and it's kind of a bum out. But this time. You're scary because of the wildfires. But I love being outside at night, Like I'm wearing shorts and a t shirt outside my house at nine.

I love that. I just love the woods at night, you know. And so I went out on the front porch and I was standing there and I was just kind of standing there, just enjoying the air and the temperature and stuff. And between me and the outbuilding down to the right behind where all the trees are, you know that area there, there was a very loud there was a noise. It was a crack. I'm not sure if it was a stick breaking or maybe like a clap sort of thing.

It was a very sharp noise like that. And I went like oh, And I kind of listened for a minute and stood still, and I said, I don't I kind of started asking myself, it's that's just like a deer breaking a branch, like stepping on something. It didn't quite sound like a branch, And you know, the dialogue in my head started going going in circles. And then I heard something walking on the gravel across the road towards the out building. When I couldn't see it all the trees and stuff

really like that gravel pile, that big pile. Yeah, kind of walking towards that, away from the garden areya below the house. And then I said, oh my gosh. So I went inside pretty quick to get my thermal imager, which is you know, just right down the stairs in the garage there. And then I, you know, I sat outside with a thumb and went down and I took a flashlight and went down and looked for

footprints in the gravel. But I was kind of sketchy, you know, most it was asleep and everything, and then I only had one way back inside the house if if it wasn't a sasquatch. You know, I don't know what it was. I have no idea for what it was. But it wasn't galloping off. I'll tell you that it was definitely walking away.

I mean, so you heard the crack, You heard the crack whatever, cracking pops, whatever that sound was, and then then you went got there, then you went and got thern when you came out, then you heard it walking away. No, I heard the crack, then I heard it walking away, because I was I stood there for a minute or two and

then when occurred to me like maybe that was a clap. I started talking to it, seeing, you know, just talking to it for whatever reason and let let it know that I'm you know, hey, buddy, I heard you down there like that kind of thing, you know. And then then I went and got the therm, and then I went down and looked for prince and in the grave. I looked this morning as well, and I didn't see anything because you know, people are driving the road all the

time, and Melissa and I go for walks every single day. Was so chee down the road and stuff, so I didn't see anything unusual down there. But so I so I stayed up for a couple more hours just listening, like sitting on the back porch, and not too long afterwards, maybe about twenty thirty minutes afterwards, I think I was out front when I heard this, you know, up on the hill, like way up on the

hill, up the road, on the hill where that spring is. I heard like basically, you know, like things a tree coming down or something breaking, a bunch of stuff, or I don't know, you know, forest noise, like something big up there causing or ruckus. And I'm saying, okay, well, that's certainly not the same thing I heard down here, But I kind of have this idea that the Sasquatches kind of moved through an area together, and it's very reasonable for them, in my opinion,

to be spaced apart, like five hundred yards. You know, I think that that's their grouping. I think they keep really really loose groupings where that's why most people see just one individual. But I don't think there's just one individual there. Maybe they're not within twenty yards of another, maybe within three hundred yards of each other or five hundred yards of each other, but I

think there's another one around. So so it's just got me thinking, you know, it's you know one to five or five is absolutely that's a sasquatch, and one is absolutely that it's not a sasquatch. This is a three, you know, in my opinion. But it's interesting. It's interesting, and you know, the apples are thick with apples on the trees right now, and the berries are everywhere. And to take pictures of the apple trees

just to see like what's disappearing overnight and stuff like that everywhere. Now I haven't done that, but I did. I did kind of concentrate all the apples that have fallen off the tree in one area on the ground because I haven't picked up the apples in a couple of days, but it seemed to be about the same number. I didn't notice that anywhere missing, and if they're taking any it's it's just a handful of them. I haven't checked the

peach tree yet. I need to go out and do that because they're more than ripe pinging on the tree. This is the first year my peach trees had fruit, so I didn't know I supposed to pull them off before they got soft, but at least now I know for next year. So I don't know if that happened last night. That was kind of cool. Yeah, that's that's where you lived there before. I get the excitement a little

adrenaline. Yeah, yeah, that was That was pretty neat. So I'll probably go for a walk on the upper property today because I'm gonna except for you know, doing the podcast here today, I'm gonna try to take today off. It's been a while since IFF had a day off because I was out of town all weekend, which is another big should be old here. Yeah, I drove up Keith came with me. Keith the contractor from the NABC. He's a guy that basically built the infrastructure the museum for me to

hang the content on. Keith and I went out to the Blue Mountains over the weekend to help Doug high checked with a little bit of filming for Legimide Science, kind of doing some really cool in depth work on the Freeman's site. You know, I don't want to spill the beans too much because I know what I did, but a man, the results are going to be

really something to see. We've applied some really cutting edge technology to the Freeman's site, and I think I believe, and this is all preliminary, I don't know, man, I believe that what we've done there will help us give pretty close to exact dimensions of the figure and also shed a lot of light on where it was walking and maybe perhaps what it was doing, because

it's such an interesting piece of footage. I mean, there's so much less information in it than the Patterson Gimlin film, you know, because it's just not as clear as it is because he was using that what is a super eight or high eight or whatever it was, whatever tape that was, but it's magnetic tape is nothing compared to the digital technology of the day. Yeah, so I don't know. It's digital like magnetic. Digital tape for video

isn't really good. It's not nearly as good as film, which came before it, and not nearly as good as digital, which came after it. So there's not much hope in getting it too much clearer, I think. But we can learn a lot by doing a really complete survey than a topographical study of the site itself. And I certainly learned a couple of things. And I'm mind you. This is my fourth survey out there. Connor and I did a great one last summer. Oh we got those videos. Yeah,

we got those videos. And I think I think we put those out to the patrons, right or didn't we? That's sure. I saw though. They were great. Those were awesome. Those are like the best things I saw Sasquatch all year. Yeah, they're really good stuff. And then this is my third trip this year to the Blues. I went out. I went out once specifically to go there and get some stuff. I swung by another time after the Spokane conference, and now this is my third time

out there just to kind of shore up some measurements. And there were some things that we didn't get when we were out there last year that I wanted to get this time, like, you know, like here's here's something I learned, and I knew this, but being at the site I kind of helped me, kind of helped me put things together. One of the things that bothered me about the film for a long time because I wasn't sure if it was real or not. I was leaning towards it being real, and

I still am. I'm strongly leaning towards it being real, but mostly based on the footprints. You know, the footprints seemed to be of a known individual that we have other footprint casts from. We think it's the same individual the Doctor Meldrum cast in nineteen ninety six and the same one that left the

trackway on seven Mile Road by seven Mile Bridge in nineteen ninety one. So I mean, I've always I've always leaned towards thinking the footage is real based on the footprints, because there's not a lot of information in the film. How far part are those foot prints, what's what's the disition that those footprints were found apart not too far, not too far because five points where Jeff got the tracks in ninety six is just down the hills and the foothills,

basically almost right below where De Duck Springs is. And then seven Mile Road is just a spur road off of Mill Creek Road, probably about two or three miles from Jeff's location. And it's interesting, it's I think important and certainly interesting to note that the both of those trackways, the seven Mile trackway and and the Meldrum find or Freeman found up at meldrom Caaston then five Points, we're both wintertime track ways. And of course the d Duck stuff was

summer, but it's a much higher elevation. It's like five thousand or more feet at the Duck Springs imber right, you know, So the animals seemed to be coming up and down based on the season to some degree. I think that's important or at least interesting. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond

with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages. But one of the things I learned this past weekend by going to the site and studying it some more is one of the things that always bothered me about the way about the footage is the way it moves, you know, when it's behind like it moves from right to left. It goes behind a big stump or a snag I guess we can call it, which is not there. It's been cut down, probably for firewood or something like that. The stump is

still there. The stump is about a foot and a half two feet tall. I have the measurements written down somewhere, but at the time it was more like seven feet tall. So it moves behind that. Then it moves behind a gray tree in the middle there the gray trees a few feet away from that stump, and then closer to Paul when he was filming. And then it moves in front of from our perspective, a small fir tree,

and that fir tree is still there as well. That's that's where he kind of does the head snap, right in there between the gray tree and the fir tree. The head snap looks over pretty pretty quickly to look at Paul and then looks back. And the Doug pointed out to me when I was talking to him that that would be very difficult to do with like a commercial suit of some sort, because the if the head snap was quick enough, the mask itself would stay in one position instead of snapping with the head so

I thought that was interesting. Not super conclusive in anyway, but interesting. And then the thing steps forward and hides behind a smaller fur or of some sort. And the trip last time and these trips this time, I failed to notice that, Yeah, those trees are still there. They're just eighteen feet tall or something. Now twenty feet tall. Those trees are still there, so we know exactly where the thing walked within a foot or two,

which is really neat. I love that. Then Paul runs up and he's looking at totally in the wrong direction for the thing, not knowing where it was. But here's another interesting thing we picked them. Oh, I didn't talk about the way it moves. I'm so sorry. I'm just kind of

blabbing, kind of scattered right now. But as it steps out from behind like the stump and the great tree, it does like this lunging step, and that always kind of bothered me in a way because it's not like the Patterson Gimblin film, where you know, it's a smooth gate walking away and stuff. That good to me. Well, you know, the thing I didn't take into account is the change in elevation between those two spots. Today, there's a rotten log there, but it took measurements from underneath the ground

surrounding the log. And we're also where the things stepped two because we know pretty close to where that is, and there's a six inch or more difference in height between those two places. Well, that would account for that big sort of lunging step in a lot of ways that I never really occurred to me to take that into consideration. So I thought that was interesting. That

explains that one thing that it really didn't like about it. And then also the walk away scene where a Doug believed there's a purported baby lift, and I think that might actually be true, but you know, we don't know for sure, but I think it's very a very interesting possibility, and it certainly looks like one. I'll give him that. It certainly looks like one. So I think it's a very real possibility. But we got a better, I guess, a better bead on where the animal was walking at the

time, because from where Paul was filming. When you're looking at that segment of video, there's a tree on the left and a tree on the right in the foreground not that far from Paul, probably ten twenty feet from all

at the most. Now we know exactly how far that was by the way too, but the animals in the distance walking away, well, it turns out that that tree on the right was blocking another very prominent tree behind it, So we can use those two trees like rifle sights and then stand basically exactly or within a foot or so of where Paul was standing, and then a lot of the same features are still in the landscape, so we can see where the animal was walking, and where the animal was walking straight away

from the camera was very close to the trail, it turns out, because the trail or the road at the time is the two track. At the time that kind of petered down the woods. But now there's no two anything. It's just one little animal trail sort of thing now. But it goes by where Paul was standing, goes around a group of trees, and curves

back to the left. So the animal was walking almost next to the trail, not on the trail, because Paul found a small number of footprints over there, and that ground would take any sort of footprints, as we saw earlier in the same piece of footage, But it was walking just along to

the left of that trail, and I thought that was pretty interesting. It was walking in the woods because a few months ago I found in cast foot prints outside of Port Angeles, and the animal was walking through the brush, not in the place where it was actually easier to walk in the creek bed area. It was actually walking through the brush, and it was doing this kind of the same behavior here. And then also at that point, we

decided it had three options to get away from Paul. It could either go to the right, where there's a large hill about two hundred yards away and brush and it would just totally disappear. It can go straight ahead, or it can go to the left and drop down in the small ravine that the spring flows through before it empties into the pond, the duck pond or walden

pond as is sometimes called. We don't know which way it went, but we know it didn't go right because Paul moves to the right and we never see the animal come out, and the position Paul was in also suggests that it didn't move forward all the way. We can't be sure of that at

this moment, but I think that our data might give us that. So right now, the working hypothesis is at the animal after it picked up the baby, if that's in fact what it did, dropped down to the left and into the small ravine and hid there while Freeman went further up the road looking for the animal with the camera in vain and never finding it. Sounds about right. We're learning a lot about the footage at this moment, and

even more stuff is going to be coming down the pipe. Man. Doctor Meldrum was out there with us. He putting in his two cents, which of course is worth four or more. I get it a whole nickel. Yeah, well, my two cents is usually just worth about one, you know, inflation and all. But doctor Meldrum's words, you know, his inputs excellent, of course, and there's a pleasure to be out in the woods with him. Isaac Tan showed up as well, Doctor Isaac Dean,

I should say, he just got his doctor. It's a congratulations, Isaac. I spent a couple of nights with him afterwards, kind of talking about various ideas and stuff. And he's going to come down and I'll take him to a couple of our big foot spots and see what he has to say. And yeah, he's really interested in getting down the woods down in my area, even though he lives up in Seattle, but you know, he can come down for a night or something. I know he's made a big

contribution. What did he do? Did something like with computer stuff or what that guy? Yeah, yeah, he's a gosh. His PhD is in something very long, but it's something the effect of like like visual computer or something or other. Basically, moving pictures is what digital blah blah blah. I don't even know what his PhD is in. He said it, but it's very very long. He basically is a computer engineer that specializes in three D graphics and and cleaning up and you know, making images and all this

other stuff like I guess, I don't know. I mean, the more I talk to realize I'm just talking. I'm not sure exactly what it is. But it's some sort of computer image thing. And what he did so far. What put him on my radar is he worked with that TV show that I'm on sometimes called Proof is out there on History Channel, and they wanted to do a Bigfoot special, and so they did. I think it was episode thirteen a season two, but don't quote me on that. You

can find it online. It was this about a year ago in October, they aired this thing and what they did is, you remember the idea when when that that that find that fourth copy of the PG film surface when we're filming the Willow Creek Finding Bigfoot episode in twenty seventeen, I think it was, and Bill Munn says, you know that now that we have four copies, we can overlay them with one another and pull out the distortions, pull out the blemishes, so the only thing left there will be what was in

the original. So basically, Isaac, being the genius set he is, wrote a computer script to do that automatically. So instead of doing like a physical layover like Bill was suggesting, where you take each one and you superimpose him and stuff, he basically wrote a computer script, a program that would

do that automatically for every one of the piece of the frames. And I believe he also said that he also used AI to simulate the space in between the frames so it's smoother, you know, because I think he was sixteen or eighteen frames a second. I think he was sixteen because that's what the camera has, but as a spring wound camera, so the eighteen isn't outside

the realm of a error for a analog camera in such a way. But yeah, so he basically did that, and they aired this cleaned up version on the Proof Is Out There. Isaac was there, Doctor Meldrum was there, and Bill Muns was there on a panel discussion. Okay, yeah, that's how I know who he is. I knew I was impression the guy, but I couldn't remember why. Oh he's rat he's super cool. We'll get him on the podcast. He's a good guy. I'm sure he'll come

on. We're gonna you know. But I watched it and I said, oh man, this is the best thing I've seen on the PG film by far, as far as the analysis of it and like what the details it brought out and all that sort of stuff, and see stabilized it of course, and it's just fantastic. I even congratulated the producers of Proof Is Out Proof Is Out There when I spoke to them. But I've done two film shoots at them this year. I've got a few more common I guess from

what I understand. But I even congratulated them, like I'm happy to work with them because of that excellent work they did on the PG film. But then I talked to Isaac, and Isaac says, yeah, you know, they could have made it a lot longer. I just wanted to do the full two hours on it, and they didn't think there was enough content, so they put in like clips, you know, like the regular show is. You know, they show some clip and they have some nerd like me

talking about it. But they said, yeah, we only did a little bit on the PG film and then the rest was that. But I think we had enough for a full two hours because there's so much the share that I didn't even get an opportunity to bring out. I'm thinking, holy smokes, what does this guy have? So we'll get them on the show here. But you know, it's a visual thing, so you know, radio podcast isn't the best way for him to show what he's done. But I

did talk to Isaac, but I think this winner. You know, when summer calms down a bit, we'll have him down at the museum and do a special event with them. Great those things where we sell you know thirty or forty tike gets and we go to the pizza place with the big TV and yeah, and so that way Isaac can show us really in depth not only is process, but also most importantly the finished product, because it is by far, by far, hands down, unquestionably the best version of the

PG film that is out there. Yeah. I thought that show is kind of cheesy, and then I watched that episode so I knew you were on it and Jeff was on and stuff, and I was like, well, this is I this is that same shows as great. Yeah, you know,

it's a pretty it's a pretty fun show. I mean, the producers have a good attitude about it. They had me comment on some things that I think are kind of ridiculous, you know, like let's you know those starling birds that you see flyinger and like when you're driving in California down the five or whatever, then that the giant flock of these things, like this

cloud of birds in the sky. Some photographer got a picture of the cloud resembling a bird, you know, and the producers, being TV producers, are like, do you think this is some sort of like sentience or uber mind that's controlling the birds? And I go, now, man, it's just a paradoia. And you think I got lucky with a good shot. But they let me say that they they're not trying to push their agenda. They typical TV stuff, you know, they they pushed the ridiculous and they

come to a conclusion. They try to get me to say I did two of those shows. Oh not bad show, but two shows like it, right, yeah, yeah, Like I think I think I did one episode of that. I don't think they ever used mine. They said it wasn't too us sup or so, because I think they can't try to get me to say stuff like they wanted to be like the dumb Baldwin brother or whatever, kind of like the Leaf Garrett, you know, kind of gotten those

talking head shows like they wanted me to say. They wanted me to say like the dumb stuff. And I'm like, are like, because they are showing me stuffing, I knew the answer too, And I'm like, I've toy researched this that way you're talking about right there, that's that's this. They're saying, Well, just say just pretend you think it's this, and I'm like, no, no, I'm out of here. Well, I mean I finished the day after, like yeah, two of them, two

of the places. Two the shows didn't even pay me. I don't think that's these guys. It sounds like a different show because these guys they're always very respectful. Because I told him I'm not gonna lie for you. As long as he'd let me tell you my truth, I'm happy to do the show, and they said, oh, yeah, that's what we want. Well anyway, Yeah, so that's the big foot stuff I've been up to,

I guess for the most part. This this coming weekend, I'll be in Idaho doing that Freeman thing, Michael Freeman, doctor Meldrum and me doing a panel thing. By the time the Sarah's of course this will be done, but Meldrum and I are going to be there with Michael Freeman and Brian king Sharp from that Sasquatch Odyssey podcast. Doug hi Check is going to be

i think virtually joining us talking about the Freeman footage to some degree. Then I've got a couple of weeks off finally, so I'm looking forward to that too. I keep thinking I barely camp this summer, but it's not true. I mean, I just got back from the Blue Mountains, have been there three times and did Ape Canyon stuff, but I haven't been up to the Blueberry Bog, not once this year. Wow. Yeah, they've just

been too busy man, just been too busy. It's been crazy. But hopefully Melissa and I can get out for at least one or two nights before the end of the summer, because I do. I love camping with Melissa, Melissa and Sochi likely camping trip, you know. Yeah, we're gonna do one hare coming up. Just waiting to see what these fires do, to make see where we're gonna go, because I hate camping in smoke. M right, right, you guys camp on the coast somewhere that offshore that

the breeze coming off the off the ocean will push everything in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well I'm sure I'll do that. It's getting harder and harder to find any word to can't though. It's just getting so crowded, like ever since the pandemic, like places that are you wedn't see when there's people there. Now, well you know your your trailer. It has become a celebrity into its own, right, Oh yeah, no, yeah, yeah, I did. I did that, Ohio gig a couple of weeks

ago. Oh my god, I haven't told you about that either. Or no, I did tell you about that a little bit. But we got the official numbers over forty thousand people came. Dude, what I went there? There was like three hundred. Well yeah, over forty thousand people came to this job. Of course it's an outdoor festival and on that jazz,

so they can accommodate it. But it was just ridiculous. Man. But a lot of people, several people, not not ones and twos, but more like five or eight asked about your trailer when they came up to say hi to me and take pictures or whatever they're doing. So Boos trailers still in your garage? Yeah, I think about that thing every day. Do you even? I don't think about that every day. I miss it. I'm telling you man, Bobo's Airbnb parked at at some campsite. It'll be

occupied most nights. I've been maybe Bobo's prime residents here coming up, we'll see in my outbuilding. No, I'll move it, okay, because I remember I got a wife to keep happy. I'll put it in your driveway. I have an introview for Melissa is even even a far greater introvert than I am. You know, I was gonna say, will it be inverted parks within your driveway? Cliffs got a steep driveway. I'd have a really steep driveway. Yeah. We just push the trailer down the hill. You

can sleep in the river. Yeah. Yeah, people are asking about it, so gosh, if you ever want to sell that thing, I think that one of our listeners would probably want to buy it. Thinks killer. I love that thing. Yeah, it's pretty cool. That's a pretty cool little trailer. It's perfect. Really if I needed to get that out, I mean, my jeep can drag a short distances, but I don't think I would drive on the road with that. What do you think, Oh,

you totally could, no problem. You can tell that thing about four cylinder. Yeah, that's that's what it's That's what it's designed for, is like for Oh yeah, I've seen I've seen that same kind of trail, even the one it's two feet bigger than the same kind of model two three Feetiggsian that's getting towed by like cheap liberties and stuff like four cylinders. Yeah,

but you live in Humboldt. Do you also see like cars with palette stacked eight feet taller than the roof and things like that, like crazy things humbolt You know, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. But so this week, but this episode is going to be we're dealing with things in the news, right, Yeah, pretty much. We're just shooting the poop and catching up with some things. It's been a while because you've been out of town. And

how about how is Hawaii? By the way, it was cool until those fires hit. But you weren't. You weren't on Maui, right, No, I was with guys. I. Yeah, my buddy has a business over there and they sponsored this Emancona Bruce sponsored this big music festival every year called the eight to eight Festival. And he lives in California, has a business in Hawaii, so he had free to He has so much airfare and he he uses his business card and his through the United Miles like he gets

he had all these bonuses. It's like, dude, I hate traveling. I never fly anywhere if I'm not going for work. So he just gave us tickets and then he also had hotel hotel room, so we got hotel rooms too. Sweat to do is get a car. Just run a car like one of those turro you know, forty five dollars a day cars and we were set. But who you can't rent a car? And hole you've been banned for renting cars in Hawaii though, No, that was the one

place I can rent. They have a couple of they have a couple of spots in the different islands and they u they know me so that they rent to me. Yeah. I can't. I can't rent from like hurts or you know the other things like that, not like international or national, but this family owned business one I can. Well that's good. It's gonna have an escape route from your your corporate predicament. Yeah, you want to tell us, Uh, you want to tell us why you can't or there's are

legal implications there. It was, well, yeah it was. It was that judgment on their part to give me the car. It's their faults. They're the ones who gave it to me. It's their fault. Yeah, we get around. It's story. He's going to see some things that will blow me own classes and am s. He's lying and he's gone a kid, yow me hi for your one again. It's Bubo story. Any description

of felonious or criminal activity. It is being told here strictly for entertainment purposes and is in no way in mission of guilt or even true for that matter. I was over in quiet this is got like two thousand and nine, I think, and my buddy good Bro there, Ronnie Boy, passed away, and so I had to go over there for the funeral. And so I got there and the guy that rental plays Hurst recognized me, and they brought over a special car for when they were filming the Tropic Thunder over there.

Yea, so it was an really filmed tropic thunder. They got done. Some of those Hollywood guys like actors and stuff like, I had them bringing like pretty sweet cars. I got this Shelby Cobra Mustang. It was like all decked out like it wasn't it was expensive. It was like several hundred dollars a day. And then when I got was like fifty four dollars a day. I had a regular convertible Mustang. And the guys all, hey, Bubbo, what's up man. I didn't really know the guy,

but I kind of recognized him, like, hey, what's up. He's like I was just bs who said I'm here for Ronnie Boys, Like oh yeah, yeah yeah. Because my friends were like they're kind of like top dog at the top of the food chain, like in the search. You know, they're you know, like they're kind of the guys that run the island. So like they like they always want they want to get in good with those guys, like they figure like cool with bows and you know,

it gives me pointed to those guys whatever. So he's all, oh, you want to Ronnie Boys. He said, yeah, you know what, I'm staying at Ten's house. And he's like, oh man, he goes, hey, you know what, if I give you this deal on this Shelby, you gotta be real careful with it. You can't take it off road or anything. And I was like, all right, no worries, no worries. And then sure enough I got there was you know, like

the thing was fat, had a booming stereo. It was all decked out as fast as hell, you know, you know at Shelby's our course. No, I have no idea what Shelby's are now. Carol Shelby was a car builder and he made like the famous He made a couple of Shelby vehicles like he took like stock cars and then just made him high performance like race cars basically put race cars inside a stock car, looking chat seeing frames and

stuff. So yeah, yeah, I just looked it up on on you know, the image search or whatever, and it looks almost like an what are those cars the mgs or something like kind of like that style thing, but like an English racing car of some sort of what it kind of looks like. But there I see some Mustangs too. Is that what you had? Mustang? Yeah, Mustang? Okay, so it's kind of like a racing car engine in a really cool shell basically, right, a little like

with some modifications. So but those guys like, you know, a little over there, like so most of well, my friends live over the island, but I'll staying up on North Shore. So those guys like they have like their time to runs, like their fastest drive ever from like the Hue up to Princeville or you know, Hanale whatever, and like like whatever the time I was like saying, just for instance, like oh this this guy's record is twenty seven minutes forty seconds. This guy's record it's like twenty five

minutes nine seconds, you know. Like So anyways, after the first night it ended up like three in the morning, guys, because the roads they do when the roads are empty. So we decided it was a good time to do, uh, try to their fastest speed run ever, you know, like they were using my car, the shelvy. So we were ripping around. And then the next night, so I started getting kind of loosing it. Then the next night Tins cousins needed to ride to work there like

the Huli show at the at the Princeville Resort. Okay, so I had the top down and it tends out these guys a ride like all right, it's like three views that are all bigger than him, Like all our four hundred pounds get in the back seat and they couldn't fit in the back, so they sat on where the top goes in the back, you know, the where it all folds down behind. Yeah, they were sitting on top where it folds down. Like just totally broke it. Just broke it right

then and there. And then so we drove driving on this dirt road like they had to go to this back entrance and it was like had tree roots and stuff and it was dragon starts started turning up the bottom of the car a little bit and digging it up and got some dance on the bottom of it, like where the body like is barely you know, off the ground. There's a big rich sticking up poking into it and rocks lava rocks and stuff. And I wasn't allowed to go out for a road. I was

like, oh man. Then we went up to the Loom the next Then yeah, we trought those guys out. They went to looma high and guys were doing donuts in the parking lot. This you know dirt parking lot's got like mud holes and stuff. And I was like, oh I could I'll check this out. So I spun a few donuts and just cooke that cake that red dirt clay mud you know from Kawai Kawai red clay dirt. It's fans four. So that got all over the car and then it just kind

of went downhill from there. Oh that's when it started going downhill. Yeah, the best when I brought it back. I came in and you know, look the because the suspension got all messed up because we overloaded a few

times. When I was like, you know, we're like there's like all these parties for Ronnie Boy and stuff, so you know, like, oh, we're gonna move over this way, so like like eight guys would jump in my car, like you know, its just all the way down, and it got pretty it got pretty thrashed, like the line, I got pretty beat up. And then what really did it in? Oh that we locked the keys in the trunk or I did on accident reb and I has

been down to swam the trunk. I dropped my glasses. I grabbed my glasses, and then I as we're in a colored pocketed shirt and had the keys sticking in that. And when I bent down to grab my glasses, I bent down kind of fast, and the key slot just as I leaned back up, I realized as I was siment down, the keys just fell out and I locked the keys in there, and we had to get out of there. We were over on the west side on the the barking standser

with the military beach over there. We had to get off. We had to get off, and I'm like, oh, we got to get out of here, and we had to be back for something that we had to be back for something important. So the top was down, so we ended up just kind of the one dude just was We're trying to get into thro the back seat area like trying to fold down that seat seat that word, he ended up just tearing the back seat, like just physically ripped it out,

like the back rest. So then it was like, shit, it's already torn up, and as we'll get it all the way up so we can get the keys out. So we got the key. He's actually that. So then I had a top day to go off as blah blah blah. I was covering dirt. There are some other little things happened to it here and there, like some dings and scratches or whatever. And then when I was bringing it back, I was toilet. I took it to the car washed. I was like, oh man, I started to realize,

like how dirty it was. I mean it was filthy. I was like things that things thrashed. And so I went to go wash it off and wasn't coming off right, like it was all over the place. And I came and I was waiting for my flight. I was like, oh damn. So it was like an early morning flight. I came ripping back in and I pulled in pretty fast, and you think those those backup spike strips, like those meddling sis wanted to not enter. I went the right way.

I wasn't going against it, but the car was so bottomed out that when I hit it, I was going kind of fast. It just tore off the oil pan and just trapped. Like the car just basically broke it. I just broke it, like I think I cracked the frame was already the frame was cracked from those guys ribbing it and stuff when I came in and just did a huge, big this huge was and that dude that was rented to me that I promise I wouldn't take it off road was sitting there

just eyes huge popping out of his head. I can running like pulling up. This just beat the hell car and like it's all this fluids pouring out of it, like I just torched them off the bottom, like did something to the back rou differential for sure, Like that hitting ground made some noise and like tires rough was all pulling sideway like it was due and I just chipped out, go sorry man, and just ran off catch my flight.

And they gave me some huge bill like it's like twenty something ground or something. But I had insurance that you bought the extra insurance or you just had it. Yeah, I bought all the insurance. I bought all the extra insurance to do it. Seems like that's a good idea no matter what you buy. But everyone turned me down when I try to claim it. Oh go figure, Yeah you broke the car. Well yeah, I think you're right. It sounds like it's that guy's fault for running it to you.

That's what that's that's what the company told him when he got in trouble. Well, so that's why you're not allowed to rent any more cars in Hawaii, anywhere anywhere. It's global, global anyway, anyway, that's part of that system, like they all they all share information like who's banned, who's not. Well, that's pretty great. That's why I only rent a car problem though. Really, I mean every other car has never been a problem. Well except for one other time in Hawaii. Yeah, okay, I

take that back. There's a time we took took a geo metrout through like this, uh BM, like a motocross track course through the Kane Fields, Old Kane Fields. God, some jumps and stuff, and I was roosting that thing out there and took it off some jumps and stuff, and that then got a little beat up. Those are great cars. So I owned one of those for years. Yeah, it was awesome. I had it for like three weeks. I wanted to buy it when I got back.

Yeah. I don't know why they don't make stuff like that anymore, because mine was a I forget what year was, but that was the second car I ever owned, So I was just a kid at the time, you know. But the first car was a Chevy Sprint, and then the second one was a Geometro, which is basically the same thing, but just you know, fancified a little bit. But we got forty five miles a gallon in that in the city. It was outstand. I love that car.

We would take it to the mountains and stuff. We wouldn't go off road and or anything, of course, but they're pretty good off road. Yeah, but you did you did? You know? Not it's like a BMX bike, but different three cylinder BMX bike with six inches or four inches of clearance or something. Yeah. Well, you're telling this story the only rental car fiasco, or not even a fiasco that I've ever really had to deal

with. Besides, you had just normal sort of things or you know, the car's not here, Okay, it was was flying to LA for pickup shots when we're filming Finding big Foot for some reason. And I got in a day early or something. This is when my parents were still alive, you know. My dad checked out in twenty fifteen. My mom I a couple of years later, and I think seventeen, so this must have been like fourteen or something. Twenty fourteen. I went down there. The show

was in full swing, real popular. I went down and it's gonna go pick up my rental car, and then I was going to drive from Lax to my parents' house in Long Beach and spend the evening with them and visit and stuff before I go up to the North Hollywood or wherever we were to stay, you know, for pickup shots. So I go into the rental place and I always get the cheapest rental car. I don't care, you

know. I go in there and it's to the rental place, and then I goes, Oh, your Cliff from Finding big footage, Yeah whatever, it's Oh man, that's great, I'm gonna upgrade you because we can or whatever. Oh, and he gave me some. It was a cherry red convertible Corvette. Do you remember that? Do you like gonna it was or maybe it was a Camaro. It might have been a camaro. Yeah, I don't think it was. I think it was a camaro. Yeah.

And then I said, all right, sure, and I just felt so awkward in it, you know, and I say, well, okay, well I feel kind of weird. I feel kind of awkward, and it's like, this isn't me, this isn't cliff Man, this isn't I'm not that guy, you know. But I took it anyway, and I say, well, I'm gonna go fast a little bit because it's the it's Los Angeles, and you know, if you're not doing seventy five or eighty,

you're holding traffic up. So I'm gonna go fast in it. And it was bumper to bumper, crawling traffic the entire way to my parents house, and I never got to open it up, not once, not once. And on the way back home when I left, it's like, you know, nine or ten o'clock at night to head back up. I got to I got to do it a little bit. But even though it was traffic then, so I couldn't go like eighty or ninety or something, I could.

I kind of max it out to like seventy and I'm thinking, man, I got this car and I can't even do anything fun with it, and and and everyone's looking at me, thinking like, what's that dork doing? Look at that Look at that guy in that cherry red convertible. That guy, he's a total fry. He's out gee traver. He's trying a convertible red Camaro in La traffic. He's not an outdoors guy. Guy was on that car. Look fake, Remember Star. Stay tuned for more big

Foot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. Did you catch that article about a new crayfish species? Yeah? Where was it? Where was it discovered? Like in a pet store? Basically, Like basically these guys in uh in Eastern Europe somewhere started buying some ornamental crayfish, you know, like from like online places, you know, like this is and they commonly called like a blue crayfish or something like that.

You know, like you've seen these things in pet stores. And I like, I liked aquarium, so I have an aquarium. I've had an aquarium since I was probably sixteen. Very few periods of my life did I have did I not have it set up even now I have fish upstairs. I just love fish of all sorts. Blue steel or steel blue crayfish, I guess is that one of those Zoolander things. Yeah, but yeah, steel blue crayfish. Despite these two inch long crayfish that are kind of ornamental,

they're really pretty. They're kind of gray with blue extremities and legs and pinchers and stuff. That's really cool. They're really neat little animals. And apparently some of them are actually a new species that the undocumented species that you can buy and you know, in like pet mart or something like that. And I thought this was an interesting article just for that one reason alone. It's like they say, yeah, but people know about these things, but there

are new species because of subtleties in their DNA. And when I say subtleties, not that subtle in a lot of ways. The article says that these species differ from other freshwater crayfish between maybe six and fourteen percent. Fourteen percent is not a subtle difference in DNA, but six percent might be, you

know. But yeah, apparently these are native to Indonesia. And then like this one like hot vent in Hungary where somebody probably let these things go, which is probably a good idea to let non native species go in your environment. What's ever gone wrong with that? Oh, I don't know. I don't know look around. But I thought this was kind of a cool article because it shows that new species are literally under our nose. And I think

that's the case of sasquatches too. A lot of times he said, these things are literally under our nose and just nobody bothers looking, or nobody looks at it the right way. And you know, big sure like property owners that have sasquatches around and the weird things happen, but they don't know what to attribute it to, or weird noises that happen outside because bigfoots aren't real, so that wouldn't be on the top of their list according to them.

But it turns out bigfoots actually are real. These these other unknown species are right under our nose sometimes and in some cases, like these crayfish being kept as pets. That's that's the funniest part, as like they're in pet stores, that's what. So who is I haven't read up on that part about it, like, but the first like you know, Raine biologists said, you know, I'm going to look into this. You like this because he sees him on his kids tank or something. You know, you're thinking,

like it's got to be known. Yeah, and then the collection a lot of a lot of these animals in the pet trade, you know, the aquarium pet trade, are collected in the wild. They're not bread and big tanks. I mean some of them are, of course, but a lot of them, especially the saltwater things, are collected in the wild, oftentimes through kind of immoral situations like drugging a coral root reef for example. You

know that sort of thing is it probably isn't cool, you know. So the pet trade offers wild animals for pets basically, and they're small and they're fish and their crayfish and things like that, so people don't feel too bad about it. But I think that's an interesting opportunity for biologists and to find the species like this, and that's what this article is all about. It's pretty cool. Yeah, He's just imagine like the guy like getting results like, oh my god, this thing is new. It's new. Yep.

There's another publishing opportunity because you know, publisher pairs sort of thing. Now, there was another article that was in our pile for things to look over. I like the title, but I couldn't read the article because I don't have a subscription to Nature. I know they want like five bucks an article too, do they? Or you get a mouth for thirty bush? I don't know. I can probably find this somewhere else, I just haven't done

it. He has his oldest genetic data from a human relative found in two million year old teeth, and it says ancient protein sequences identify the sex of paranthropists Robustis fossils and hint at evolutionary relationships. Now I didn't read the article because I don't have access to the article, but even that byline there, even that subtitle, gives us some interesting interesting things to talk about because it

doesn't say DNAs his ancient protein sequences, which is the proteonic study. I think that the same sort of technology that they apply to Gigantopithecus Blackie to discover

that it was squarely in line between chief Epithecus and orangutans. So they're doing something similar as sounds like to even older teeth of paranthropist bust Us, which is one of the several paranthropists species, and of course Paranthropists is a genus of austrell Epitheesnes, you know, and they're kind of two forms of austrell Epithecenes, some more thinner grass style form, which we think one of those

species eventually lead to us if we'd go back far enough. And then there's this other branch of austrell Epithecenes that were so different in so many ways that they gave them their own genus name paranthropists. And these things were basically sasquatches, but smaller, you know, between three and a half four feet tall and maybe five and a half feet tall. These are basically sasquatches. That's how you can think about them upright, bipedal hair covered, human shape things

with huge chewing apparatus basically their their teeth. Their chewing surface area of the teeth is like eight times out of a human. Big big molars, huge jaw muscles. They had sagital rests and zygomatic arches for their chewing muscles to anchor on. In my book, sasquatches are probably these things. I don't go for the giganto thing. As we've spoken about many times, this is possible. It's a possibility, don't get me wrong. Oh, definitely possibility.

Yeah, definitely a possibility. But I think that paranthropist is an equally valid possibility because you can see these structures in the Patterson Gilman film. You can see her zygomatic arches, you can see her stitutal crest, you can see the huge jaw. Patty in the Patterson Gilman film was made for chewing. That's what she's made for, chewing and eating fibers foods, whether it's the barrel shaped body or the cranial structures, everything about her shrieks. I

chew heavy stuff. I think it's an interesting idea adding this proteonic study, this protein sequences to the paranthropist thing, and to extend it and to present a sasquatch research. From my understanding, hair is pretty much mostly protein. If we get good hair amples, couldn't we do something similar to this? And I don't know, that's just a question. It's not what Darby's doing, right, isn't that what they're doing North Carolina State? No, No,

they're not doing that. They're not doing protein sequences. They're doing DNA stuff. So it's a different technology. But I'm thinking, well, why don't we apply this other technology to hairs that we get and see where these things are. If they can figure out some sort of taxonomic relationships, it's easier to do that. Protein is very much easier. Yeah, if hair is mostly protein, as I think it is, I think we can do this. But I don't know. I'm just a guy. I'm sure there's

lots of people listening who are a lot smarter than me. If you know about this technology, right into Bigfoot and Beyond podcast at gmail dot com and let us know what you think or what you know about it, or what you think you know about it for sure. Yeah, because this, I think this is fairly new technology. I've only even started reading about it in the last year or two. But you know, I don't read about everything that exists, obviously, but it seems like this would have crossed my desk

at some time in the last ten or twenty years. I think. I mean, it is just basically like high percentage of approaching I'm pretty sure. Yeah, So let's do this on something living today and find out something oh ninety one percent. Yeah, see that seems like this might be able to be done with hair, and we have we think we have some hair samples from sasquatches, So definitely I think that's true. I wish I could read

the rest of the article. I gotta look around for this. But because I'm sure like paranthropists, those homedans didn't or homedans didn't use a prol shampoo was reprotein their hair, it would have stayed. We would have a lot more to work with. Yeah, well, I don't. I don't think they use shampoo at all. I think they might use real pooh, not that sham stuff. That's a that's a joke I sold for the Muppet Show years ago. By the way, started self a joke himself, or stole

it from the Muppets. That's a fine line. It's a fine line. Yeah, but the quality of my jokes being mostly dad jokes. I kind of wonder if I do have any children out there. I got my ancestry testing. I got update, so they're analyzing it right now. What you're doing the twenty three and me thing or something? Or what are you doing ancestor dot com? Oh? Really, do you send us some DNA samples? Yeah? We know they're they're using those to solve crimes. Now.

I know that's why It held me up for a long time, and I thought the dies, Well, you know, you've fallen into some sticky situations in your life, but I think that's pretty safety. Say, you haven't murdered anybody, so I think you're probably The other thing that was interesting that popped up in the last couple of weeks was that Heidelbergensis footprints they found the new footprints. Oh yeah, yeah, I saw that. Yeah, three

hundred thousand year old footprints. That's pretty cool. They pushed back the soon timeline by almost one hundred thousand years, right, Well, these were a Homo heidelberg densis and they were to see. The thing is I don't think that we had a lot of heidelberg Inst's footprints, and any footprints that are found are of interest obviously. Well, the researchers said it came an incident into the how the families operated. It was like there was three footsteps.

Like they're saying, they got more intent family lives and culture. So the various tracks that scone engine offers a snapshot of a family's daily life, maybe provide information about the behavior and social composition of hominin groups, as well as spatial interactions and coexistence with elephant herds and other small mammals, so as the

earliest known elephants and and rhinos I found up there. Well, that's the thing about footprints, and I'm glad that they're applying this idea of tracking essentially two fossilized footprints as well, because if we want to know anything about sasquatches or most most mammals, honestly most mammals, you have to study their footprints. You have to because observations of the animals themselves, and whether it's sasquatches or you know, wolverines or whatever, you don't see the animals very much.

They're just not easily seen. No mammal is easily seen, you know, compared to how many there are out there. The way that most wildlife biologists learn about behaviors and all that jazz from these animals is by tracking them. And every tack We'll tell you that track line tells a story. Oh yeah, yeah, it's the most important. I think it's the most important

data we can gather about sasquatches at this point outside of a body. If we're going to learn about the species and what they do and what they need and where they go and how they live and their social structures. That's all in the footprints. So if anybody, anybody ever tells you that footprints are not important, or what's another footprint going to teach us, do not listen.

They are there, They are themselves mislead. I think it's very important to study these things, just like we would study any other mammal form, any other mammal form. Oh yeah, because you follow their tracks, and that's when you find their scat. You can find hair, I mean all kinds of stuff. Yeah, foraging sites. You can see if there's different sizes of tracks, which gives some sort of insight into social structures. And

that's what we have here at the Homo hyder bring aainst the site. There's only three tracks, only three tracks, and then looking at the context, it tells us a little bit about how they lived. Just by these three tracks and the presence of rhino tracks and elephant tracks and other sort of tracks in the same substrate. We know that these homes that there were more than one homohydbergensis here, so that suggests some sort of family unit of some sort.

They went down to the muddy river or lake or stream bank at the time just like all these other animals did. It tells us the animals that were in their environment, and they probably use those animals for things if they could get them. You know, were they killing elephants maybe, were they killing rhinos maybe, So it tells us a little bit about the environment. And also the presence of these other animals suggests like the plant life that was

there. Just these tracks being in the same strata that the same more or less the same time and place tells us about the lifestyle of Homo heidelbergensis and the other animals that were there. And of course all the animals that were in the environment were dependent upon one another for various things, maybe food items.

Maybe it's elephants mixed up the ground and made other main opportunity for their plant life to come up and for their seeds to sprout, and so they're they're you know, the the web of life, the interdependence of life is what we're looking at here. These footprints, despite there being only three from two different individuals, tell us something about that species, and that is an

important lesson because that's what we need to do for sasquatches. You know, this past February I cast three footprints at one of our locations of two different individuals. Well, gosh, this has three different tracks, and you learn all this stuff about home on Hyderbergensis in this newspaper article. I found three tracks in February of a sas or of two sasquatches. It's kind of teaching

me a little bit about the local big foots as well. Footprints tell us story and every track way should be well documented, cast if possible, and then see what you can learn from that situation. We'll see oldest non hominans in Europe. Yeah, probably how to bring inss No, no, no, no, Well, I don't know that's a good question. Hyderbergensis be my guess on that one. But Homorectus is an older form, and it was the holotype was discovered in Java down in Indonesia, so it may have

wandered. Well, I probably wandered southeast, you know. So I don't know that's a good question. But I would guess Heidelbergensis, That's what I thought. I wasn't sure. Yeah, And there's also these other forms like rudolph Insis and all these sort of things that are very closely related to these

other ones. But Isaac Taine and I were talking about this this past week over out of the Mountains that species are kind of a made up thing, you know, they're kind of they're kind of made up, and we draw these strict lines between the species. But that's not the way evolution happens.

Evolution happens very gradually. So what we when we look at a skull or something like that and say, oh, this is a Neanderthal or Heidelbergensis or something, there's a lot of intermediate forms that are not showing here and where on that gradient are they. So to be strict about a species is kind of tough in some ways because species are kind of made up. We're just basically slapping a term, a definition, a word on a reality. Well I just run it up. It said they're only this hoween one point two

and one point one million years ago? And did they say the species Homo? How do you say that one Homo ancessor. Yeah, that's how I'd say at Homo ancessor. That's that's the common ancestor between humans and Neanderthals. So that makes sense, That makes sense. Yeah, So that solve that mystery. Only a handful more mysteries to go we were doing pretty good. Man, you want to shut this episode down, we can go talk to the members for a while. I think the listeners have suffered enough now we

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