Ep. 224 - Bobo's First Sighting!

Big Food and be On with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so I'd like to say subscribe and read it. Time Stora and me listening watching always keep it squatching and now your hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bobo Fay. Hello, folks, what with another episode of Bigfoot and Beyond with usually Cliff and Bobo. Today Cliff and out here. He's out in the

woods. He's doing some squatching. He's got some stuff going on. So I was supposed to do an episode the day without Cliff, but their guests we have lined up are so good I just couldn't do without him. I mean, they're too important. So I was talking to Matt our producer Matt Pruth, the Uber producer, masking the interview. You kind of got to see some Bobo story time stories and kind of get some more fine details out of me doing it that way. So welcome to Bigfoot Beyond That. Thanks

for having me. Yeah, you know, since I handled a lot of the social media requests, it had occurred to me when we were talking about guests, it's like, Oh, the one person that people ask for the most is Bobo. It's so you would be the perfect guest for this week's episode. Thank you, thanks for having me. Like you said, there's so many stories that I've heard that it had been years since I've heard him that I kind of jotted down, like, oh, we should talk about

these on the podcast. And then when I hear you on other podcast, there's always questions that come up for me that I've never asked that I thought, oh, well, we should just ask those questions. So you get to be the guest on your own podcast this week. All Yeah, one of the things I was curious about. And I think we could give a shout out to our good friend Tony, because Tony merkel over at The Confessionals just did a great deep dive interview with you on his podcast, sort of

the origin story. But I always love hearing about who were the first other researchers that you met, like after you were tracking down Sasquatch stories and meeting local witnesses, Like who were the first contemporary people in the field that you met that were going and doing the same thing. Probably a ray crow, I guess. Oh, I didn't know that, So you were you logging in northern California at that time? Yeah, And I was going up to

Portland anyways. I was going to go surf up in northern Oregon, and and I had friends. I loved going to Portland, you know, back then, that was before Portland got totally blown up. You know, it was like a lot. It wasn't the traffic and crowds and it was it was a really it was my favorite city for years and years. So anyways, I was up there and I knew about I had someone gave me a copy of the track record. Somehow I got some subscribe to that for a

while, and I made it up there for a meeting. I remember, I'm going into that basement place, and I can't remember all the people I met. I met a couple of women that were there. It was a lot of older people. There was no in myriage there. And that's when I got to know Ray a little bit. Yeah, I met Ray and a few other people. I can't remember who I was there now, No one I stayed in touch with. I just Ray a little bit over the

years. And then who did I meet. I saw an article on John Fredis in the in the paper in the in the San Francisco Chronicle, and I think he said it was ninety six or ninety seven, and I wrote him and I didn't have email back then. I just called him and left him a couple of messages and then we talked on the phone, or I

think we were just yeah, I never talked to him. We were just kind of phone tagging because I was gone fishing all the time back then, you know, it was before sell, before I had a cell phone, and I was I was just not home ever, so I had come back once every two three four weeks and check my voicemail on the phone, and I got a couple of message, but we never we never met up. And then I saw another article with Robert Leiderman, the ranger from Humboldt Rdwood

State Parking there, and I think it might Yeah. I didn't get really talk to him though, until the Grasshopper trail story, which was like a big deal at the time. It was the BFOO website has just started up, or I guess it was the VR what was not r BO, the what was that one called again with the IVBC the Internet Virtual big Foot Conference. Yeah, might have still been. It might have still been during that time. Or no, No, it was already. No, it was

BFRRO by that time, Yeah, it was bfr O. Sorry. So I called Robert and he was just like this guy sounds like a nut. So I never I never met up with him either. And then I had my incident where that story I told you know, my first encounter I had for sure had a definitely, definitively had a big Foot encunter, like no doubt about it whatsoever. It was to this day, I was still like

the most powerful, like made the biggest impression on me. Not just because it was the first, it's still the most intense encounter I ever had by far. I was going to ask you about that story because one of the first, I mean the first time I was ever aware of you was on

Mysterious Encounters in some of those episodes. But then if you remember back in the days of blog talk radio, I think the first or at least one of the first big Foot shows was Let's Talk big Foot, and a little bit of that story was in there, and I had that sort of jotted down here because I know we've never talked about that on big Foot and Beyond. So you gotta tell that's got to be the first Bobo story for the listeners. In this episode for sure, because I'd love to hear it again

too. Yeah. So, I mean I've been looking around for years and years, you know, like this was two thousand and one, and uh, I've been in touch with John Freds. We've never we've never met. And he was an investigator for the disc Attorney's office up in Delark County and I was down in Humble. I was commercial fisherman and logging and stuff, and so I was. I was gone a lot. But he called me up one day and he goes, Dude, he goes, I just talked to a woman from the Ros from the rok Ros. She just had a

sighting. She just saw a big foot and I was like, no, and it was it was a really broken up message. It was when self. I mean, this is cell phones were really jankie back then where relived at least, and it was really broken up and my reception was terrible. I could barely hear it. But he was saying it was a year ago today that the woman had a setting, and I didn't know that. I

thought it was that day. I got all excited and I had to drive down and started Humble and borrow my buddy's night vision scope was a Ukrainian model I remember, with a Gen two night scope and you know, just pretty junky about today's standards, but it was the best I'd ever seen in person. So I was all excited and he let me borrow it. So I went up there. I went to where he was talking about was on the

Bald Hills. It was just on the backside of Roadway National Park about the Klament River, and I was almost due west of the PG film site a little bit, well not due west. I was west southwest there by about ten or twelve hour miles maybe, And so I went up there and it was this a little bit And when he told me this story, I knew exactly where he was talking about. I'd been there a bunch of times, and it was right where it is called Bald Hills Road. It goes from

the coast, it runs through the park and then it drops down. It goes over the coastal range right there. Then it drops down into the Clowns River Valley and then the Hoopa Reservation that a lot of people are famil with the Hooper Project by Dave Pauldes hoops there and then it comes into the Urok Rose, which is from the confluence of the Trinity, which is the Trinity River goes through Hoopa and the Clounth River comes down from Oregon to northern California.

A lot of people have heard of the Klamath. So you get up to the top and my buddies that lived in Wichipec, they were telling me a couple couple of them had seen and one of my best friends had seen a really old, broken down, limping, kind of patchy hair, looked like it was about to die, emaciated, about a seven and a half foot tall big foot like had the you know, classic male male baldness pattern to it, gray along its head, so it's graying along its chest like

the it's temples are all gray. And it had kind of like a gray beard and gray chest had like that silvery sheen to the black, not really a sheen. It was black, but you can see that it was not like that, like the one I saw was black and I had silver shining it was like young and hey, look at this thing was old like grit like not silver shining hair, but like dull gray hair. And then it

had patchy fur missing and he could see the ribs. They could see the ribs on it, and it was limping really slow, and it just he said, the look on its face, it just froze. And then they locked eyes with it and slowed down as they drove past it, like close, like thirty five feet. It just like trying to do the freeze thing, like you know, I'm a big foot all the streets. It won't see me. They just slowed down. They were staring at it started them.

It's just like, I'm old, I'm broken up, about to die. Leave me alone. He busted me, and just leave me alone. And then it just started limping off again. And so I was up there for weeks. This has been going on for about oh at that point, two months, six weeks have been getting reports out there, and then the grant from Humboldt State University. Graduation time a lot of you know, a lot of parents and stuff come up there. It's most of like I think

seventy eight percent of the population of the schools from southern California. So when the families come up for graduation in May, you know, they go around, cruise around the you know, look at the nature and all that. And this is about where this happened is about our ten minute hour hour ten minutes north of the university, and you can do a loop road. You can go up to where the museum is in Willow Creek, and a lot of people in the Willow Creek the big Foot Museum, the original one up

there. Then you go down the Trinity River through Hooper Reservation. You go into the confluence of the Clout in the Trinity and you drive down a couple miles and blow Witch back and then you go back up and you go over the Bald Hills and drop down a highway one on one Rubbay National Park, and then back down along the coast back to Arcada. So a lot of

people do that loop. And I talked to two different car loads of people that you know, we're graduating, their parents were visiting, and they sell the same thing within within about a mile of each They were all within the same mile zone of this thing about ready to trying to cross around this old gray, limping big Foot. So I was like, oh my God, like that's that's that's you know, I gotta find this thing. And that's when I started calling Belgium too. I didn't I didn't know Meldium, but

I was telling him, Hey, there's things. You know, it's a it's around, it's it's old, it's about to die. It might be a good place to focus on. I think he sent sent him an email, and I think he he emailed me back once and he sounded like, yeah, he was excited, like that sounds really good. I called the Ray crowd I told him about it, and he was like, oh man, that's uh, that's that's exactly what you're looking for. I said, yeah, I know, So I was. I was getting all excited about

that. I was up there a lot, didn't see anything, didn't hear anything. And then so John John fredis the Dunark County Digit Attorney investigator, you know, he's a law enforcement officer, he called up all excited about the sighting of that. You're awk woman. He goes, you know, she's really responsible, she's great witness, you know, real, real together woman. She worked for the tribe. You know, she's a senior kind

of up there, a person well respected. And he goes, yeah, and she she sought cross Road and I knew exactly and it was it was stranger because I've talked to her several times since then. It was a smaller big foot, and it was dragging a rolled up piece of cardboard it had in one hand, and the other hand it had it was holding like the the cuff of a sleeve of a long a long sleeve kids bright blue child's

top like long sleeve shirt. It was dragged. It was holding the cup of one sleeves and then the rest of it was dragging behind her on the ground, or it heard him, whatever it was, and then it saw her and it just took off just so fast, like a deer, just zoomed off, kicked up a cloud of dust behind it. It was just gone. And so I was like, no, that just happened like today. And I got that. So I got the that vision scope and I was all excide. I packed my stuff up. So so I got the

that vision scip I go up there. I set my chair up in the mind you at this point, I've been looking for years and years. Never had anything happened, never heard anything that I knew of. You know, in hindsight, I did have some interactions with him, but I just didn't know it. I was ignorant of the signs sounds. But so I went to the meadow, and so the meadow is kind of like a crescent shape,

you know, like half moon shape, and it's gone now. It got clear cut, but it was probably like I always miss up the dimensions because it seems so big, but I'm reckoning. It was about maybe one

hundred and twenty yards. It was a half moon shape starting from the road, so the road around north south, So this meadow round parallel to the road on the east side of the road, and the road around north south along the ridge, and the road was the dividing line between the National Park roadway, state National Park, and private timberland and some ranching holdings in there.

There's a few people lived out there, not many, like maybe six houses along this eleven miles of road, and they were mostly down at the end of the road, down by the river, the Klamath. So as you drive up along this meadow, you see the middle on your right, and then alongside of the road there's a patch of woods maybe thirty yards long by about fifteen yards sticks something like that, and on both sides of it was the meadow, and in front of it was the meadow. So it

was like an island that backed up to the road. So I pulled up there and parked. There was a kind of a wider spike park. People get by no problem. And I let my dog out, let him run around for a little bit d day. He was that big hundred and five pound people great dogs, super mill. Everyone thought he was a black laugh because he was so chill, and so I let him run around a while. Then I put him back on the truck on the front seat, and I got my I had one of those plastic you know, picnic chairs,

you know, the little cheap chair you get from Costco or whatever. I had one of those. I had my machete for protection, had my night scope and spotlight, and I think that I had my extra clothes in case it got cold. There were mosquitoes, and this was in May. It was May twenty first, two thousand and one, and there wasn't There wasn't. I don't think there's any moon at all. It made been a little bit of a moon, but it was clear, it was warm. It

was you know, it was in the eighties that day. Up there at night, I think I think at nine o'clock it was still like seventy four seventy five degrees. But I'm sitting there and I go out there and I started doing some really killer calls like roars and howls, and I'm doing an east end of the canyon and they were carrying all the way down on the river. I could hear echoes going down. I was like, dang, my voice is you know, I'm killing it tonight. It's going far.

It was going miles and I was doing some roarers. I was doing some aggressive calls. And about seven forty five I think I think it was seven forty five, Yeah, it was about seven forty five, I hear this wolf. I thought it was a wolf hybrid, like those husky wolf they were popular back then. Those they were like seven eighths wolf and an eighth husky or mal meat whatever. And I thought, well, it sounds like

my buddy's wolf, you know, wolf hybrid. It sounds like that, because it was it was a howl, and it was just it wasn't a coyote you could tell, and it was a dog would have more of a wolf tone to it. It seemed like, I'm like, that's weird. And then it does it again and I hear the how. I'm like, God, that's a strange how. And it keeps going on and on and then it starts changing it more so in like a screaming yell roar, and right then I was like, oh my god, I just heard my first

big foot. I couldn't believe it. I was like, no way, and it was miles due north. It was just due north to me. Stay tuned for more bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back. After these messages, I hear this is how coming from the north, and I was like, I just remember all my hair stood up, and I was just like the first for sure confimation I had, like when I was I was hearing a big foot, there's nothing else. There's no

way it was anything else. And it did this crazy call. Did They started doing these crazy screaming howl yell roar things like just up and down, like you know, seven octaves difference from the start to finish, going through all the ranges of these calls and mixing just different sounds. Good. I was like, no, So I start roaring back on, you know, and barking and doing just aggressive gorilla kind of call, and it's coming and I could tell it's coming closer, but it's still far away. Sort of

the next forty five minutes. I'd hear it roar every so often, and I'd do a roaring yell and I was pounding. There was a chunk of there was some dead oak logs, you know maybe, and they were probably like eighteen to thirty six inch sections of old logs that were left there that were cracked or split whatever. They weren't good for him. They just left from there. So I was beating on one of those and it was it

was making the perfect because it was kind of elevated. It was part of it was sticking in the ground and the rest of it was sticking out of the ground. And I was banging it. So I had the killer resonance, and I'm banging on that thing and I'm screaming and roaring, and then it's I heard it calling. It was pretty close. It sounded like it was definitely with it less than a mile and I was like, no way, it's coming in. It's coming in. And I was calling Fredis in

the phone, going John, get after the things coming It's coming. It's like I can't. I'm working, I can't. I just can't make it. There's no way. I was like, damn. So then I called some motor I said, hey, I gotta there's a big foot coming. They just kind of laughed me, like yeah, whatever, whatever, and

no. I called like several people and no one came. So I was sitting there going all right, I'm just sitting there waiting, and I hadn't heard anything for about ten minutes, and then right then it just starts roaring.

It's right up, I'm facing Dewey's. It's coming in at my nine o'clock, my due north, and it's in the tree line just you know, however far from me, like sixty yards or something, and I'm just like, oh my god, no way, and it just starts snapp It came in dead song and all a sudden just roars and screams and you just hear it just branches breaking and like small trees sounds like snapping and just stopping feet just boom boom boom, and it's going like and then it would do

these crazy how it would scream and like and then it would end up with like a huge exhale and it sounded like Horselift song, like that kind of sound. At the end, I go was flapping its lips really hard. But there's doing these before we do another scream, we do another huge inhale and then a huge exhale, which it would end with a horse flap lipping horse lip flapping sound, and I was just like blown away, going oh my god, like I mean, you can imagine at this point, I'm

just like going no way. As soon as that first scream happened to my two o'clock, I just hear this crack. And I know that's your imagination probably like just filling in the gaps, but I mentally pictured this thing on my left. I was, you know, kind of mentally picturing this thing. Would it looked like Market the Wizard, And the second that crack happened, for whatever reason, I just saw it like playing this day in my head. But you know it's people already described it to me, so I'm

sure that's what it was. But I just see that old jenking one holding the branch, and it's like the krusty old guy is going crack. Like I'm not dead yet, I'm still you know, like a male you know, sasquatch whatever. I don't know, but I just had this mental image of that the old one over on my on my right, crack in the tree, and I'm like, oh my god, there's two of them. And I was just like, whoa this is? You know, I had

had a disposable thirty five millimeter cardboard camera. You know, you just take thirty those twenty seven pictures and drop it off a like save on or Walmart and get them developed. So I had one of those and I had a flash on it. So my plan was to antagonize the thing, and that was my plan going up there, was to antagonize if one came, to antagonize him enough to charge me, and then my plan was to snap a

photo of it. And this is the most stupidest part because John kept told me, I'll it'll charge you and it'll stop ten or fifteen feet away and just roar and make you, you know, crap your pants and run away whatever. And I'm like, I'm not gonna no way. I'll be ready for it. I'm not scared. And my plan was to try to jump out, do like a diving barrel roll and try to grab some hair off its leg. Don't think stupid stefp Like, I just thought like, it

won't kill me, It won't kill me. Then I was thinking like it'll probably kick me, but it won't kill me. And obviously that plan didn't work, but so so for the next So that baby one that came in

from the I mean it sounded huge, and it's just it stopped. I mean when it stopped its feet, it was like you could feel it, you know a little bit like it was and you could I mean it was just boom boom, but really well spaced, like definitely it was bipedal, but there were some big strides going and it just was making all this noise.

And then so that one of my two o'clock and that one's coming from a nine o'clock, they kind of worked their way together, so they met directly exactly in front of me. They both came over like marching centuries and they just were shaking in the trees. And you know, there's some big deciduous trees. You know, it's like some kind of oak or something like that. They just start shaking them. They just start the trees. Something's

grabbing them, shaking them. And these things were big, like forty foot. The base of these trees were like a good ten to probably fourteen inches maybe something like that. Some of them were like gonna be eighteen inches. And they start grabbing them and just the tops or whipping back and forthe like it was like a full double gale storm was blowing through, like just whipping back and forth by like leaves coming off, just shaking, shaking it,

shaking it. And I'm like, how in the hell are they shaking? Those trees are like these trees are like, dude, you get ten men on that thing and it would you wouldn't even you couldn't budget at all. It wouldn't make a it wouldn't move but two inches. And these things were going back and forth ten feet at the top, you know, just whipping back and forth. I'm like, what the hell is going on? But

they do that. So then I stand up and beat my chest like the gorilla like slap like, and I was going and they would roar back and then it would go silent for a while. Then they they do like a big branch snap. It was almost all the noises coming from the big one that was going back and forth on my left. It was going from my nine o'clock to my twelve o'clock, back and forth. It would go silent for a while and then it would, you know, do another noise.

And at this point I was getting pretty dark, and I had the night visions, the night vision, and I was scanning and scanning and scanning, and I never I just got it that day, Like I hadn't really got the mess around with it. And they had these aisles on the front, you know, for focus and brightness and what else. And there's there was a red laser point that was on it too that you get hit. There was a button. None of it was all marked in like Russian, so

I couldn't or Ukraine and whatever. I couldn't read it. It was like that what it thought thrillic writing. Yeah, I think so that could be. I'm not too familiar with that, but I know what you mean. Certainly I can picture it, but I don't know the terminology. Yeah, So it had that, so I didn't know what anything said. And I was just kind of messing with it. I wasn't sure what was what.

But I got to work and I was looking through it and I could see, you know, I couldn't see anything, but I could see the trees, you know, you know the gento night scipe looks like oh, certainly, yeah, I mean it was it was like late eighties early nineties technology. It wasn't very good, but I'm going back and forth scan the tree. I was skin of true. And then I kept stand up roaring,

and I'd get up and beat on the tree. And then at one point, when they're in front of me, a section about five foot long or four foot long by about twenty something inches thick, maybe twenty four inch thick

chunk of oh came flying out of the tree line. Didn't come close to me, but it landed, you know, about two thirds of the way between the tree line and uh. It came about two thirds of the way to me and then landed in front of me, just boomed thud, And I went out and looked at it him like ding, that's a you know, one hundred and fifty pound two hundred pound pieces of wood or something,

I don't know, like something like that. It was. It was substantial, like you know, you couldn't have thrown it very far, Like I mean, I could pick it up, but I couldn't throw it. Maybe throw it like four or five feet six feet at the most. So that thing came find I was like, well, that was crazy. And I was still just still pretty uh. I mean, I was nervous, but I was still confident, like I wasn't I wasn't afraid really. I mean, I was definitely on heightened alert and my heart was racing, and I

was super excited, but I wasn't really scared. I was just I mean, I was kind of nervous, but I was more I was more excited. I was just excited. And then so this went on for a while, and it seemed like three trucks passed by as I was up there. They were kind of old rattley, you know, old full size, you

know, domestic pick up. I was just bouncing along and and I remember they all had music cranking, like a couple were clank cranking country and everyone was playing like classic rock as they went by, and those freaking squatches in the tree line went absolutely crazy. Just when the trucks would go out, they started screaming and roaring and shaking the trees really really hard to trees would

just be thrashing back and forth. They'd break branches and roar and scream and yell, and none of the trucks even slowed out, like they didn't hear them. They just kept driving by, and I couldn't believe. I kept thinking they're gonna get up and stop, you know, and be like what the hell is that or something, you know. And I was still because I was like, oh great, I'll get some witnesses because during this whole time I had called people and no one came up. They were like,

what You're crazy. I'm like, no, this is happening right now, get up here. No one came. So this went on for a couple hours. And at one point, also I can't remember what it was, it was like some kind of yell, like it was a little it was different than it was a different call, but there was like a there'd been a a couple minutes several minutes of silence, then this call came out like I can't hear what it was, but instantly burst out of the tree line.

Oh okay. Prior to that call coming out, it seem like the battery, the battery is getting low. Someone's going wrong. I was like,

what's going on? Is this battery getting low? What's happening? Because it started getting fuzzy here, and so I started messing with like the focus and the you know, the brightness and like and one of the ones I was twisting was I didn't realize it was the battery cover, and I screwed it all of a sudden and screwed it the whole way, and the cap came off, and the second the battery got disattached and it turned off, like within a second, there was a scream or yell whatever came from the

tree line and they just rushed me like you could, Like it was so fast. It was like the thing that compared to it is like being at the county fair when the horses go running by when you're stone and the didge

of the track at the horse races, like the ground just shook. There was for sure two of them, maybe three of them, I think there was three came bursting out of the tree line, rushed I thought they could rushed right next to me, like into the tree line behind me, and it was just I was like, oh my god, it was so fast

and so loud, and the ground ship and it was just overwhell. I was like, oh my god, Like I was just like my eyes popped out of my head probably and I was just sitting there going hold my breath on what the hell? And then I figured, well, I don't know what happened to him, my dog, because that Pitpo would go. He

was super chill, like friendly's dog ever. But when he was in the truck he was like a kujo, just psychopath like, would attack anything that came near the truck unless you let him out that he was friendly again, when he was in the truck without me, he was just guard dog. So I'm like, well, if they go to my truck, they go behind me, in the trees behind me, I'll hear him because my dog would nuts. I never heard a peep out of him, Like that's that's

weird. So I sat there for a few minutes. I was sitting there was about five minutes or something like that, and I started I started hearing the wrestling of some what I figured it was a wood wrap behind me. There's a lot of wood rats out there, so I thought it was a road behind me. Then sound like a little bigger than a road, and then also over my right shoulder, so I was I'd set my chair back

in the tree line just a little bit, so I was. I was in the tree line just barely, like my chair was inside the tree line. I had, you know, a couple of branches on the side of me, So I was a little bit ob scared if you were like walking by or something. I'm sitting there and all of a sudden, you know, I got my spotlights on the ground, I got my shitty there, I got the night scope in my hand, I got the camera in my hand in my other hand, and it was all wound up, ready to

go. And I'm sitting and all a sudden, I started realizing I'm hearing breathing and a little rustling, and all of a sudden, I'm wearing this presence behind me. And also I started hearing breathing coming from way over my head. I started hearing this breathing like after a couple of breaths, it starts going into a growl like but deep and rumbling like, and I'm like, it's way over my head. I mean, it's up in the air. And I get this just worse sense of foreboding, dread, and just

the most scared I was in my life. Just I mean, like I was like, oh my god. The only thing I compared to is being having a great white sharks circle and you when you're out diving or surfing, you know, like that thing of like I'm out of my element. This he can kill me in any second, there's nothing I can do. It's like any large future, like if you know you're run into a tiger in Asia or lions in Africa or grizzly bearer here or whatever, like we're just

like, oh, this thing could take me out. Nothing I can do and not a damn thing I can do. I was still excited at this point, and it starts growling, and I wasn't really that scared yet. I was like, well, I wasn't that scared at that point. I mean I was. I was nervous. I was nervous started ground. I was like, okay, boats, just stay calm, just stay relaxed, you know, don't don't do anything stupid. It won't hurt you. And I'm like, okay, sort there. I got takets picture. I gotta

takets picture. And the second I started telling myself all right, you gotta takets picture, turned around because I'll wound up and everything. I turned it on and I turned it on and it makes a little bit of wine sound, just a little bit, and that little indicator orange light comes on and I'm like, oh no, because I was for the flash. As soon as I did that, the loudest clearest message in my head. If you take my picture, I'm gonna eff and kill you, and no one's ever

going to find your body. And I had this image of stuff of me inside of a cave and putting big rocks over it. I was just like, oh my, but it, dude. I swear to this day it still seems like it was from outside me. Like because you talked to yourself all the time, this seemed different, really different. It seemed like it was like this voice I'd never heard before. It was loud and clear,

like it wasn't audible, like you couldn't hear it audibly. It was in my head, but it was clear, clear as day, like just seemed very real and threatening, and I believed it, Like I thought, if I around, it's gonna kill me. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. And I just remember like getting up and walking real fast, like I don't run,

But I was like walking as fast as I could. I'm like, don't run, but and my eyes were watering so bad, and it was dark. I walked into a you know, Joe poked like a dead branch there were some slash piles out there, and there was a it just was my eye bow about an inch. So I was like and I was walking fast, like not seeing where I was going, stumbling along. I literally could have just poked my eye out. Oh my god, Like how'd it get behind me? Like how come Ddy didn't bark? Like how did they get

behind me without me knowing it? And I'm just getting to my truck and my truck I was facing away from bald Hill's Road. I was facing down Johnson's heading down river, and I just wanted to get out, like I want to get out there so bad. I was expecting to get grabbed out of the true Like I was walking along the tree line. I was just toy so I can get dragged, like dragging into the trees next like on

my left where I just been that like islands of trees. I was sitting and I was it was in there, and I thought, maybe they're both of the three of them are in there. I didn't know, and I was not for sure I was I gonna get ambush walking back to my truck. I get to my truck and I get there and there's I'm looking in and I don't see my dog. I'm like, oh my god, no one, he's not. They reached it, and god, because the doors were unlocked, I'm like they got him. I'm like, god, they

stole d this. So at that point, I just like my stomach sank and I was just I felt even like that was the worst. I was like, I guess got my dog killed? Oh my Like how they get him without me hearing it? Like I was just tripping out. So I get in the truck, I'm fumbling for my keys and I'm you know, hyperventilating, and I'm like, they killed they killed DD. They killed DD. And I flip on the light and I see him and he's jammed down

on the floorboards on the passengers side. He'd ripped out like the like where the glove box just behind there, like he just tore out whatever was wiring like radio stuff was up behind there and had his head shut up there and part of his shoulders and he was curled up underneath the as far up against the front of it like where your feet goes cramming there was much like I

couldn't believe like how Hidney was from from view. I mean, he's black and it was dark out, so of course it was hard to see him anyways, but he had he had been so scared he just tore up the inside of the truck trying to climbing into something just to get away from whatever was. So they had to walk around the windows and stuff like that. Look, I'm sure they walked around and looked in at them. So I drove and I had to drive down the ways to turn around. So I'm

looking for a place to turn around. And I'm driving a two wheel drive tow to truck like probably bald tired. I know I had bald tires on it, and I'm looking for a place to around. So I finally find a spot and I back into it. So I'm back into it, and then I got to go forward and the truck U doesn't. I'm stuck kind of like it's it's the embankment was too. I dropped off a little bankment to turn around this spot. I mean, you know, eight inches nine

inches something like that. It was, It was nothing. I was like, oh, but I didn't want to see my tires and get stuck. I knew that, So I got I took a little head lamp out and I'm trying to let on the on one of the truck is look going to see if like and I look like it okay, it's nobody deal. Like, it's got to back up another foot or two. There's enough room for me to back up and just get a little bit of speed and I'll pop

out of this no problem. So as I do that, like this is all happening, like simultaneously I'm looking come out of here, that roaring scream comes again from above me, like it had followed me down that road in the in the tree line going north, and it screams, and it's just starts bolting, coming through these rhodendrons and raspberry bushes and some other just various stickers and stuff, and it just comes rushing down and I can just hear

all that stuff, just tearing, stuff tearing out of the ground and small branches breaking, and it's coming fast down. I mean, I just jump in throw it in first, and you know, drove out of there, and I was all I had was this vision of a piece of log coming

checked out of the darkness, coming through my windshells. I just kind of expect that to happen to any second, and I just just thing roaring and screaming up to my left, like above above me on the hillside right there, like close really close by, just like oh my god, no way, and I'm driving out. I thought for sure I was waiting, just waiting for a piece of wood to come flying through the windshield and kill me. So I go ripping out, I get back down. I mean I

drove so I drive fast all the time. Anyways, out there, I drove so fast. I was hauling ass. I mean like it was. It was crazy. He didn't crash. I mean I was pushing my truck to the max. Getting out, They're just wanp just drifting and you know, squealing tires. And I get out on the pavement and I just ripped back down. It's fifteen miles of the one on one I get down.

Now it's just a big open flat. But it was a old growth redwood mill at the time, and they only worked I think there's like maybe three shifts a week because there wasn't much wood. It closed down not long after that. I got ripping in there. I knew there was guards in there, and night I go I go flying into like just full peeling, you know, just came ripping up to the guards down, just full locked with the brakes into a full power slide, you know, and just I jump

out. I'm like, dude, come with me right now, there's sasquashes up in the hill going crazy. You gotta see this, you got I need a witness, Get in my truck. And the guy's like, big guy, just staring at me, like going, what the hell? Here's this big, crazy looking dude just came flying and peeling out, you know, in his truck. Tell me to get in his truck, go get big foots up on the mountain. He's like he's like, dude, I'm not getting in your truck. You're not supposed to be here. Get out

of here. Like that was the whole thing. I was like, just beat it, like, dude, there's big foots that there right now, let's go. Let's go. And he's like, no, I'm not going with you. And I was like, what the Hell's wrong with this guy? Like he's looking at the Hell's wrong with this guy? Like, dude, there's big ones that there right now. You know, I need a witness. I need a witness. He says nope. So I left him

that there was a bar right down the Street. At that time, there was a bar, the Logger Bar or the Lumberjack whatever it was, yeah, Lumberjack, And so I go down there. There's just some old kind of like alcoholic dudes and they're like retired logger dudes and mill worker guys, like three or four of them and like bars in there, and I'm like, I'm like, you, guys, there's a couple big foots up the hill going crazy right now. I need a witness to go up there with

me. They're there right now, I'm going nuts, turned down trees and they just all laughed me and to them, we're saying there was a native guy in there too. So the two guys were laughed, just making fun of me, like going, oh my god, that call me a nut job, and you know this and that whatever tell me I was on drugs. And then the other guy was just kind of like, yeah, I

know they're there, but I'm playing pool. I'm like they did he said maybe when I'm doing my pool match, and I was like he kidding me, Like, you guys hit in this bar every night of your lives. You're not gonna leave. You know, you can play pool the rest of your life like this is like, you can give them see some big foots right now, I thought, And so they wouldn't go. So then I drove down a Trinidad, which is like twenty minutes something like that, down

south there, went to the bar there. There are some guys in there, no one interested, and going like they're just all there. Everyone was laughing at me, except for one guy was like goes, oh, though, I'm not going up there, like yeah, I know they're there, but I'm not gonna mess with them like an encounter and he was scared of him whatever. So then I drove down to Six Rivers Brewery and they were closed, but there were some workers and I knew all those guys really well,

those girls working. I was trying to get these girls out there, like going, come on, let's go. There's big foots out there. At this point. It's like one one thirty in the morning, stuff like that. There's like, no, we're tired, We're tired. I was, and I called people and no, go back up there with you. I couldn't do. And then no one go with through the next day either. I went back up there, and that was the scariest thing. Every day was the next day, well, first I drove to Creston City,

which is a couple of hours. Went up there. I went to John's place whip Smith River. He gave me infrared floodlights, sunny night shot camcorder, and yeah, so I had a couple. I had three big infred floodlights and its sunny night shot cameras. Go okay, go put get some bait outs. So I went and got some smoked salmon, and I got all this stuff like donuts, salmon, honey rolls, like just sweets, you know, and some cooked meats, smoked meats. Go back up there.

I got the next day, like later afternoon, and I was so scared to go back up there, and I was like, well, I gotta face my fear. I gotta I gotta get this thing on film. So I did what John told me. I set up the I set up the food, and I put it there's I tried to like hide the lights near behy, but it was just so stupid, like I didn't think of it, didn't see that. But I didn't have a better idea. It was just get it on camera. You know. It's because it was there

wasn't any moon, really, it was. It was pretty it was really dark out, so I was like, okay, I need to use uh, I guess I gotta use these floodlights. And I went up there and when oh, when I got there, I had this on film too. I dog d day. He would not get out of the truck. Out of drag him out of the truck. And he usually loved going to the woods. Like he couldn't keep like he was scratching out the window to get out. Hea. I just wanted to get out, run around and sniff

and play. He wouldn't get out of the truck. While when he came out of the truck, he ran at the back tailgate and curled his legs to his legs and wouldn't come out from the truck for twenty minutes. I was going to d come, come, he wouldn't come. And then I got him out, drag him by his collar, got him going. He just stuck right behind me like this tail between his legs. Not about ten

minutes walking around. There was no sign of anything, you like, nothing was around on, no noises, and he relaxed, and you know, ten minutes later he was back to normal. Twenty plays. Okay, they're not here, Wait until it start getting dark again, set up that spot where they came here, like there, like the twelve o'clock position point.

I went back into the tree line kind of a little bit, but where I could still see him, but where they could kind of come up partly obscured, and I put all this stuff out on a old log there, put all the food out there, and then there was like floodlights. There's just these floodlights coming down, infrared flooding. I mean it was so bad. I sat there and no sign of no indication that I sat there all night, I think til daylight, no indication they were there. Nothing.

Five nights later, so I told John what happened. He was all excited. I was all excited. He called his partners that he went out with Jim Hooper and Manny, this guy Manny from southern Oregon. So those guys are coming down as normal guys. And so I'd never been these guys in perfect I knew who they were, but I've never met him in person. So we met up five nights later, four nights at this point, so it's five nuts such of my sighting. And we went down to where we

where I estimated where I first herode the calls come from. And so we went down at several miles and we pulled over. There's this big clear cut. You come into it as you drive along the road. You know, you're driving the you're about two hundred yards below the park boundary line where the road is where that runs north south, and so the road at points is close to the boundary of the park. Of the other points, it's a couple hundred yards away. At this point, it was kind of further away

from the park. So it's a good one hundred and fifty something yards two hundred yards up to the Because it's obviously it's a clear cut. There's old growth redwoods, so it's pretty obvious where the boundary line is. As you drive. You're driving along, you're driving, you know it's all been cut before at some point this area we're driving through, so it's you know, smaller regrowth stuff. But you come in all of sudden on your left it's

clear cut all the way to the line. You know, whatever was one hundred fifty two hundred yards up to the park boundary and and then it's really small just hasn't been thinned at all, just pecker pole regrowth. Like I don't know. It was a couple of years. It was several years old. It was. It was small. They like the biggest biggest trees in there were like you know, six eight inch or something like that. It was real closely the real regrowth garbage, and that went and so that ran

along your right on your right hand side. That went along for another couple like probably one hundred yards of that stuff and then and then that stopped. Then it was clear cut on both sides to the cliffs edge that dropped off like a couple thousand feet down to the cloud. There's really steep cliffs and steep hills then to your and then up sloped uphill up to the park boundary.

There were some old trees that went old goat trees went through the cut area like a that turned out there was the old hoop of footpath for the hoop Indians to go to the coast of your rocks where they could cross. That's where they crossed get to the ocean where they traded like you know, for sea salt and shellfish. That's and they bring stuff from inland and trade with the coastal guys. Not so this footpath was one hundreds used for thousands

of years. They're not allowed to cut the trees along the footpaths like cold you know, the Culturals preservation. But this footpath and it's still it's like a it's about three feet wide two feet wide, it's about a foot and a half deep, you know, ground into the dirt. There's old growth trees went. So there's these scattered old growth trees going through the in a line going through the clear cut that went through the regrowth. There's and right

where they came out there are some bigger trees and stumps there. But then the rest is that just regrowth jump you know, just little garbage trees out them. And then it was just a mass. So we set up. We parked there. There's a little spur road dropped down to the right head and downhill towards the cliff in the clear cut. It it was the landing spot for the law. The lawyers have been using it. This was a fresh cut. I mean it just happened like that year or the year before,

I guess the year before. But you can tell they've been using it, like they'd still been coming to other in parking and doing whatever done They're like you can tell the landing was still used down there, so we're like, all right, well this, we don't want to block the landing off. So they went down and set up the call blaster was that big, and it was the one it's in the Willow Creek Museum now you know. It's on the early BFR expeditions. There was the big bull horn off a

Navy destroyer. It was a big speaker for the loud speaker of a Navy ship. And John had looked up to a thousand watt amp with a CD player that you could play like guerrilla calls and the Ohio Call and all that stuff. So they went down set that up to the broadcast over the valley. When we got out there, I realized I had forgotten. And this is earlier in the night. It was still daylight, and I realized I'd

forgotten the nights scope. When I packed, I was so excited about the night scope on the porch and I called that buddy, eh you actually we interviewed on the show here. He was a nurse and he was gonna go to go surfing up the clament anyway, So I called and said, hey, you're going to the Clama Still, I said yeah, I said, dude, can you please bring my night vision scop But he knew how important

it was to me. He goes, yeah, I'll do it. So he went and grabbed my night scope for me, drove up there, and he got there just before dark and he'd gone diving and had some abalone. He just he'd had some. He'd cooked some abalone. He brought the abyloni up and was sitting on top of the truck. It was you know, it was just cooked. It smelt really good. And so he had a little toy to pick up. I had match a little to two wheel driver.

We bought a little Toytos standard cab you know pickups. So he had a show on his little Toyota and I had didn't have one on mine. And we were parked right at the edge of that regrowth and then John and and Manny were in one vehicle and Jim were down there and they'd set up their call blaster. You know, it's maybe forty fifty yards down from where we were parked there, down on a little spur road in the in the

middle of the clear cut. I just told the h I'm like, you know what, I want to go up higher, I want to get up, and I saw this big old girls stump sitting up on the hill above those guys. We measured it later. It was one hundred and twenty yards one hundred twenty five yards from the vehicles where we were parked. So we we walked up there, and I was so freaked out still by what had happened five minutes early. I mean I was I thought I was going to

die five minutes earlier by these things. So I was pretty nervous. And oh when we got there, when we did the first calls, before we even set the calls, I did my own calls. We got this crazy scream from down on the clamp every way below into this scream like the classic murder woman being murdered scream, and we were like oh, we were all excited. We're like, oh, yeah, they're close by. And I

said, hey, John, can I borrow again? And freydis is the most he was in the very final episode of Finding big Foot when we went out went up the final one. I guess it was the second to last one, the Bluff Creek one the beside before the reunion show was the last. When we did where we're in Willow creek and we got those callbacks phns. With John, we got the return calls. But he's the most that's the guy. He's the most fearless. Him and money Maker the two most

furious guys I've seen out in the woods. Like never afraid of anything at all, like nothing, like John's not phased but anything. I said, Hey, can I borrow one of your guns? He goes, I just got one. He had a three fifty seven. I said, all right, I'll take that. So I put that in my backpocket. It was a little snub nose out of my backpocket. I felt better, so I mean, eh, climbed up on the hill. I went up on top of that stump and I had to the night scope and then we're there for

about I think it was about a half hour sitting up there. And then John was doing a live broadcast that it was a TV show and a radio show. At the time, it was the six or seventh post listening to radio show in the world. It was Sightings that shows Sightings. I can't remember the host, Jeff France. So John was doing a live call in to the show and he actually the company running him a satellite phone. So we had a satellite phone with him to use for the call in they'd sent

him. So he was doing his calling live, calling into the show, and just as they were about to start from the tree line where the where our right where our trucks are apart, we heard three grunt growls and they were just like what I'd heard a couple of nights before that, Like like, I can't it's like a into a growlic. That's not it, but kind of get the idea. There was three loud, deep ones came from that treeline where our trucks were. We're like, oh my god, it's

there's one here. And I just for some reason I thought it was for sure the big one, because it's not like that big one that charged than a couple of nights before five innts before. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. And I was all sided, so each and passing back to the scope, passing back to the scope. Then So John's meantime trying to talk to the guy Jeff France on the radio show live with the satellite phone, but it's not

coming in. It's a he's having bad receptions. He's in a barn classic dude, Michael Scott, he had a was it a barren nose? A sea bring? He had a convertible sea bring and they had the top down. He's in this little you know card you know. He drove up there, driving real slow, just going a couple miles an hour, trying to get reception. And he gets reception right next to my truck. And he's

parked there and I'm looking down. He goes, hey, there's a bear stump on its feet and growling, I mean the tree line kind of truck. And we figured, well, that makes sense because we got the abylone up there. You know, it's fresh albon. He just coached. It smells killer. So we're looking there and looking there, and that's why I was looking at going God, how could I miss it? I don't remember that big stunt. There's this big black stump on my truck and Johnson.

There's Johnson on the other side of my truck, you know, sitting down low in his little convertible. I'm going like, I mean, he's only thirty feet from it, and I'm going like, how did I not know there was a giant stump? Next to my truck, because, like I said, the biggest tree done was eight inches and there's like this huge black stump next to my truck. I'm just like, God, that's weird. And then I see the stump get up, turn and walk into the tree

line. I'm like, I'm telling John on the radio, dude, it's because he was on a he was on a commercial break from the Sightings radio show, and I'm on the I'm on a little walkie talkie going, dude, how can you? John's right next to you. It's walking into the tree line. He couldn't see it. It's behind my truck from his angle, plus it was dark, and he does not see it, and it

walks the show and I was just blown away. So I'm looking looking, and then I see it pop back out about fifty yards down the hill where those big trees come. At this point, I didn't know that was the old trail, the Hoopa Trail foot trail. There's there's a pretty big stump down there, like old growth redwood stump, and then a deciduous hardwood tree that was probably eighteen inches thick or so. And I'm looking down her,

going, well, what is that? I'm seeing movement. And then I'm looking and I a sudden I see this thing walk across that little gap where the trail is. It goes from the stunt to behind the tree. And I'm looking going and there was a little bit of moon coming out. There's just a little bit of moon coming up behind the little bit of clouds. There's a little partial clouds. And when the moon came out just enough for me to see there's enough light to see, I see it go behind that

tree. So it's heads behind the tree, but it's shoulders are hanging out each side by like a good foot foot and a half or sticking out each side of the tree. Then I see it lean out and poke its head out. Just look like a coconut sitting on top of a brick shed or something, you know. I mean, it just looked like this big solid mass and then with a coconut on top. And then you see the coconut

lean out. Then when I flicked on that little iron light, I'd flick on a little iron light on the camera on the camera on the night vision, it would jump back behind the tree like it reminded me of an ostage with its head stuck between its legs under the sand, like, Okay, if I can't see them and they can't see my head, then I'm invisible.

But it's it's body was taking out both sides, so I remember looking, and then it started and it walked back over behind the stump, and the stump came right between its belly button in the bottom of its chest, and it starts bobbing up and down like a like I remember looking at Eric. I guess, go, it's a giant freaking monkey. It's a giant

freaking monkeys. Was doing that bobbing back and forth, kind of like slowly bobbing, and like it would raise up on one foot, then raise one arm, like it would raise up on its right foot and raise its left arm and left leg, then shift its weight over to its left foot, raise its right arm and right leg like it was agitated, going back and forth. Then it would and it would lean forward and then walk back over behind the tree and then poke its head out behind a tree, and then

you can still see the rest of its body. So I had the night scope to Eric, and we go back and forth for twenty twenty five minutes. Whatever it is, just watching this thing, and it would disappear whenever. When we couldn't see it, John say, okay, it's approaching me. It's approaching me. We never saw it come out on the tree line by him again. I only saw that one time where it came out up there. But then you'd say, okay, it's walking away there. We

wouldn't see it. He wouldn't. He wouldn't hear it for a few minutes, and we'd pop back out of that trail head down below and be looking up at us. And then one of the bummers was was John had the radio the broadcasting with the call blaster. Didn't Manny and Jim didn't know that this was going on. They didn't have a radio. So every time John hit the breaks that meant to play the recording the call blasts so that Jeff

French guys could hear it at home. And as he's you know, back, he's going back and forth, pulling back and forth, trying to find the angle where he could see in where it was every time he hit his brakes. So the guys had played the Ohio Hall Ohio call and then aggressive Grilla call. So I was pretty bungcous. I didn't want to what was there to realize that the calls were coming from us, but obviously did because for the next fifteen minutes is John went back and forth turning his brakes.

There was another Ohio call. I mean, this thing was loud, dude, It's just echoing through the canyon for miles. And this went on for a while, and then John got fresher and just said, I've got to see this thing. And we didn't have any cameras, you know, that could really record it. So he backed up and put his high beams on and yeah, you know, scanned the tree line back ups. It was headlights swept the woods and then we didn't hear anything after that, just went

dead. But yeah, that was my first. Oh so the next one we went down there and that stump we measured it was six foot nine, six foot ten basically, so this we thought. We thought it was a four foot so looking at that night from being next to the truck, Eric never saw it next to the truck. I did. He only saw it down by the tree line, which was further away, but we were guessing it was seven. We well, just from where we were, we were

guessing it was. We guessed the stump was four foot tall that it was seven feet tall and was sticking about three feet above the stump. We figured that, you know, just looking from the over figy to Wealth, the tree is a twelve inch thick tree, you know, sticking out a foot, you know, couple of feet wide, and it was almost as thick when it turns someways across the trail. It was almost as thick as it was wide. Not quite, but it was. It was really thick.

We get down there and the tree was putting into heavy house about eighteen inches and it was sticking out eighteen inches on each side. So it was like, you know, four and a half foot across the shoulders or something like that, four and a half feet across the shoulders five feet maybe at the most, I'd say four four and a half. There was at least three foot from front front front of the chest to the back of its back. It had to be at least three foot thick that way. It had to

be nine and a half. I thought it was ten foot. But our buddy who lived on the ranch by there, who had sought on horseback on a flat on it. He was on a flat, leveled off landing area from a logging landing. He was on his horse and it was behind a stack of logs, and he's uneven ground that he said it was. He was looking right at it, and it was. He said it was nine and a half foot tall, So it was at least nine and a half so it's between nine and a half ten foot tall somewhere and there it was.

It was huge. Then John, I had to leave out how to get back to town that morning. Size out of it pretty early too, went down there and I left, And later that day he found a seventeen seventeen and three quarter inch long footprint pressing the hard pan. This dirt is

like it's like rock in the summertime when it's dry like that. It's just you know, it was pressed down three quarter inch deep in the deepest spots, but it was about a quarter and a half quarter to a half inch deep most most of the spots where it was the classic eight foot across the ball seventeen a half inches long, seventeen three quarter inches long, giant, you know, just heavy let's But there sat our Toto's put were impressed,

maybe an eighth ofvi inch deep, and these things and they weren't even that maybe sixteenth of an inch, eighth of an inch of the most This thing was you know, quarter inch of the shallowest of at three quarter inch deep at the deepest. So I mean the turtle truck's not making a dance. This thing was pressing into the ground. This seam was pressing into the ground where the turtles we're making a dan So I mean it had to have great mass. And wait, you have it. After we saw that, ever,

we went to bed. I was just going to sleep in the back of my truck and I like, Eric moved over. I'm sleeping in the back of the end of and he had a shell. He had a regular size you know, the small turtle truck with the the shell was the same profile as the height of the calf. And he had a carpet hit in the back so that he could put like, you know, store wet suits and boards underneath that whatever when he's sleeping. So I got and you know, it's room for really one guy, and I'm like, dude, move

over. So I squeezed in there with him. We laid there all night, barely slept. We thought for sure we're going to get the truck flipped over because there was a lot of stories back there, in them picking up cars and trucks and shaking them when people were sleeping inside of him. So I thought that was gonna happen. I thought I was gonna rip off the back and tear us out of there or something. But nothing happened the rest

of the night. But it's kind of funny watching me. I was like, I was like dd my dog trying to crawl into something, hide myself, you know, just cuddling up with my buddy all night. But yeah, So then I spent a lot of time up there. I mean I spent nights and nights and nights and nights with a sunny night shot out there, hopings that I had a sunny nights shot with a spotlight, a portable spotlights you know, back when the batteries sucked and they ruin out fast,

they weren't even a grade of light, and they were pretty good. They were pretty good. I had that with some red that oh god, that red cell of fame stuff. What's it called, Yeah, like dub between I thing they call it. So I had some red filter over over the light, and then I had a sunny night shot camera and I spent the next couple of years up there, just trying hoping to see this thing that I was going to spotlight it with the spotlight, then turned on the night

shot and film it, you know that way. But I never had any luck, just but I spent a lot of nights out there. One thing that did happen out there, and I thought they're looking was when it I was up at a duleson prairie up there you can park and go hiking down into the road park and it's inside the park. It's right on the road. There's a little parking lot there. I was sitting there in this ranger because back then they always thought I was some tweaker out there up to no

good. Like they'd hassle me hard when they said they thought I was, Well, there's a lot of car break ins and there's a lot of math out there, and so they thought I was one of those guys. So I'd get a house and they'd always give me a hard time and hassle me

and stuff. So this ranger comes with me, that one of the ranger cops, he's grilling me, know, he's convinced I'm on drugs, and like I just look like I am I'm not, and he's giving me a real hard time, you know, and he's pulling my whole car and he's pulling my car apart. You're just pulling everything out of the back and going through my bags. And I was just like, damn, this guy's really given it to me. You know. I was just trying trying to be

you know, always just cool to them guys. I never gave any house. I was like, I understand, I understanding. Like I'm glad you guys right here, because I've had my car broken into numerous times over the years out here, and so glad you're here. And I understand what you're

doing. You're wasting your time on me. When I was telling about big Foot, you know, because I was always always always talking, I was always trying to convince those guys, getting them like stats and you know, who's credible, people that have seen him, this is that and that and you know this whatever whatever, whatever data details I had, you know, lay on with them all the time. So the dude sitting there, give me this, you know, he's pass on me, just going through my

stuff. I was somebody hear this, this is a screaming roar. Then we hear another roar, and then I also need to hear this just bellowing and screaming and orient and his face, Dude, his jaw dropped and his eyes popped out of his head and he turned just just went white. He was so scared. He and he turned on his maglite and shined it over, and dude, like seventy feet from a seventy five feet away, this huge black beard jumped on a smaller black bear and had its head in its

mouth and was just ripping it and tearing it with its claws. And the one on the bottom was screaming its bloody murder, and the one on top was roaring and you know, full attack. The other one's full sevell scream mode. And we were just there going we were both like, oh my

god, like this is crazy, and just watched this bears. He yelled at it whatever and had his light and the light and all let the big one let go and they split apart, and the little one ran off and the other one ran off the other way, and and then he was just like, you thought it was a big foot, didn't you? And I was kind of laughing, and he was not amused. He was like He's like, well, no, I did, I did? You were? You were more scared than I was. And I was scared for a minute.

And he just goes, no, I wasn't you know, and and then uh, he got really embarrassed and he just laughed. Yeah. He never hassled me again after that. Nice. That's wild. Yeah, because I had heard the story about your first siding with the night Vision Unit and Fred it's being on the call with the radio show, but I did I never realized that that was right in the aftermath of that other encountering in the

same place. I had no idea. Oh yeah, there are five days apart, because I saw it on April or May twenty six and the first night Encounters May twenty first. Well, I see we're coming up on our hour mark here, so maybe we can hop over to the member section then and talk about some of your other encounters, whether visual or otherwise there. If you're up for it. That sounds good because my best setting wasn't long after that A couple of years later, was in Mexico on the Hickoria Patch

Reservation. I'll tell that story. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah, we'll hop over there now, and as Cliff usually says, you know, since I produced these, I put together the show notes. I always have a link in the show notes, and so if you're not already a member, if you'd like to become a member, it's only five dollars a month. We do an extra episode every week. Those come out every Thursday,

and then we usually post additional content. So if there's photos or videos that go along with the episodes, or anything Cliff or Bobo related in the meantime, those get posted there too, and so the link to the membership section will be in there in the show notes as well. Okay, folks, well that's it for this week. Thanks for listening. Listen to that episode of Bigfoot and Beyond with Matt and Bobo usually Lift, but he's not here,

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