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those are always fine. But before we jump into the Q and A, um, it's been I mean, we did a podcast yesterday, we recorded one yesterday, but god, that's almost twelve hours ago. What calamity has struck your life since then? Not a thing? Really? Well, I haven't any calamities, but I haven't left the house since either. Yes, it's best to stay inside. Where to say? Well and that an enlightening
note, you know, and then that a happy song. Why don't we jump into the Q and a's and see what people want to know from us? Question? Question? Yeah, so let's start. So let's see, let's listen to the first voicemail, because you listeners out there, you probably know this by now. You've probably been listening for a while, but just in case you're new and you just found that, Cliff and Bobo have a podcast, by the way, which happens all the time. Literally today.
I'm recording at the museum today and I was downstairs a little while ago and somebody came in, Oh, we're huge fans, and blah blah blah, I love the show. Great. Do you listen to our podcast? No, you have a podcast. Every single day people are discovering that we have a podcast and they jump on board, and we're getting more listeners all the time, which is great. So if you are a new listener out there,
welcome to a Q and A episode. What we do once a month or as regularly as we can, which is hard for Bobo and I we're both kind of chaotic people. But once a month we get together and answer questions submitted by you, our listeners. And there's two ways to submit a question. You can either leave a voicemail for us, or you can just type it in and send it in on an email. I'm sure there's gonna be links in the show notes, but you can always go to our website
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message and then we can we can talk about that for a while. Hey Cliff from Bow Bow, my name is Richard. I'm from the UK. I just want to say I got into bigfooting a little while back after reading a book on crypto zoology and the hairy hominid chapter spoke to me immensely and after a lot of reading, I'm down this rabbit hole and I'm still going Your show is amazing every time I seem to listen to it. I need a new book. I've just got the Michael Freeman book in the Post today
and I'm looking forward to that. And I'm currently reading Sasquatch, the Apes and Mongers by John Green. Question for me is hippies and bigfoots. What's what's any encounters of that? I've been kind of intrigued by that while watching some episodes of Finding Bigfootlow. I'm just like to where know if any of that sort of gone on, if any of those hippie love ins had any encounters with bigfoots over the years. Anyway, keep up the good work.
Look forward to hearing more from you in due course. Take care, keep it Squatchy. I got this one. Yeah, Bubbo, I'm gonna let you handle this. Go for it. Man. You live in northern California, in Humboldt County. I think that you're the resident expert here. Yeah. Actually, And the best vocals I heard on all of Finding big Foot was when I did the We were doing that two our special Canada versus us Flippy and I set up those drums out in the woods and I was had
tied eye up everywhere. I had my tied eye shirt on. I think I had a wig on, like a long haired wig, and we were, you know, banging away and making just doing hippie stuff. I think we burned incense, and I'm pretty sure it might have been a different time, but I think I spread some petulio around and we got the loudest craziest sounds I ever heard out of coming up out of the river bottom on sold Duck, the soul Duck River in northern Washington, and it was nuts because
it sounded like grinding. It sounds for Sertays. Had this picture in my mind one of those old like nineteen forties four wheel you know, the off road big fire trucks, like the earliest versions of of you know, like a firefighting forest, fire fighting truck, and like just with like a shot transmission grinding gears, and it sounds like the grinding gears were like someone just grabbing sheets of sheet metal and ripping him in half, like something, you
know, like some giant just tearing sheet metal in half. And then it went from that into like this scream, into like this crazy roar, and it was just unbelievable. It might have been roaring into a scream, but I can't remember the exact sequence now, but it did like a series of three of these vocals. It all changed. It was intent. It was just crazy and we were so psyched. We had a bunch of recorders up,
but they were all junkie. We had a parabolic but we weren't ready for it because we were doing the drumming and all that, and it was we were in shock. We were trying to figure out what it was. The first half before we even realized what it was, and it was so loud. We were so stoked, and then nothing really showed up on the recorders we had. We had pretty you know this those a little eighty dollars, so many like cheap, you know, for like an office or like
taking notes in a class or something. It's like one of the couple we had four of those out. We actually had we had a good uh. We had I had my really good um task them. I had my task them out and that had the double mics on it, and that didn't pick up very much at all, which was strange that we didn't. We didn't
have much action after that. But anyways, but living in humble yeah, I got a lot of reports from hippies because you lived about a lot of them had pot farms out in the hills, and I don't know, maybe like being on that that level plane when people are taking mushrooms, like because I had people report. I had reports people saying like, yeah, I was on mushroos, and I said, and I'd never like i'd take those of the couple grains of salt and just said, well maybe, you know,
but yeah, a lot of the pot roars at night. Sneaking out back befoward. This is you know, thirty twenty years ago, thirty five years ago, and you had to worry about like nowadays you can grow a thousand pounds in your backyard, but back then you had you had to sneak out in the woods, and usually at night to avoid you know, sheriff's rangers for got forest workers and people in general. So the guys would go
out there at night and they'd run into these things at night. And I got a lot of reports to people saying that, you know what scared him. And then also music festivals at Reggae and the River in the mid nineties, people were I got several reports there's like the reggae and the river. It's down the Iale River and southern Humble in the Mendicino County border and up on the hillside. You know, you can kind of get out of the main bowl. It's like a natural bowl amphitheater, and you can get up
in the top and you can go way up to the top. It con seem like oak meadows. And I talked to several people that saw about a seven and a half to eight foot sasquats in the lurking amongst the oak trees, just spying on the festival gors. You know, there's like, you know, scattered couples, like you know, people that are tripping out it
might be up there. And so for the next two years, I went up there at night and hung out up there, and I didn't I never had anything happen or see anything, but I talked to people at Yeah, they said they seen them out they saw him out there. You know.
That kind of brings up a nice parallel with the New York baby footage too, because Doug Pridgeon and his buddies, they're just basically a bunch of hippie s drink and beer around a fire, on the outskirts of a music festival, and then something came and was watching them and the rest of the festival, and that's when the baby thing jumped off the shoulders of the larger one
and went up in the tree. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you can either see the Finding Bigfoot episode whereinvestigated it, or just look up New York baby footage, bigfoot or something on YouTube and you can find it right away. That was taken at a music festival. So big noises, big, you know, big crowds, big two dos or something that
kind of attracts sasquatches a lot of times. Yeah, So I think the hippie thing is legit, man, And I don't think the smell of pachuli in the air would be a turn off for him either, because it's something unusual they've probably never smelled before. Would probably bring them in. I thought that's sort of elicit the rock throwing babe, it is. Yeah, that's quite quite possible. You know. Tom Powell had some buddies over here by
bull Run. You know, I'm always talking about bull Run Watershed because no one's allowed in there, but the bigfoots don't care. Tom Powell had some some buddies who owned this ranch over there, like right on the edge of bull Run Watershed. Now it's actually inside bull Run, but this is how that happened. They had this hippie ranch over there in the like seventies or
early eighties or something like that, and they eventually sold the property. These two guys that owned the property, they sold it because they thought it was haunted, because things would bang on the outside of their house. There would be screams and yells and howls in the in the woods. Giant things would
be dragged across their yard and left in different places. They convinced themselves that it was haunted because Bigfoot never really crossed their mind, and they eventually sold the property because they thought it was haunted, and the city of Portland bought it and then moved the boundary of the watershed back to engulf it. They tore down the structures and all that sort of stuff. So, um,
yeah, there's another example. But you know that that kind of shows you something too, is like, you know, hippies are perhaps a little bit more open to weird beliefs than other people, who may be slightly more well grounded than certain individuals, right, so they thought it was haunted, But no, just animals, just bigfoots doing their thing. Oh and also something
else. Remember a few years ago, you know the Rainbow Family, which is the decentralized giant hippie community that has no leaders, so you can't prosecute them. Once a year they have a Rainbow gathering, Rainbow Family gathering or something like that. They do it in various places throughout the country, and again there's no leader, so there's no way to prosecute it or stop it
or anything like that. But if number of years ago they actually held it at Scuca Meadows, of all places, Scuca Meadows and something like fifteen thousand hippies descended on Scuca Meadows and camped in the place and honestly kind of trashed it for a while. But after all the folks left, the good natured hippies were left there where they stayed after and picked up all the trash that all the other irresponsible hippies had left around. And I drove through the area
because I think I gotta go see the aftermath of this man. It must have been crazy. And I did go up there, and that one real sharp turn just below where the Skookum expedition was held, A big sharp turn to the left down there before you go down to the gate, or there's a gate right there, but there'sn't a further gate to Scuoka Meduts. Below
it. There was a wall of trash there, a wall of trash probably eight feet high and fifty feet long, and a bunch of very hard working, diligent, good natured Hippi folks are they're packing it out and cleaning up after their brethren who did not have that level of responsibility. I talked to them about big foot stuff and said, man, with all these people walking around and hippies and sounds and drums and interests and smells in the air,
did you guys hear or smell anything or see anything? And one of the guys says, I heard some crazy screams on the outskirts. I didn't know what they were, but dude, it had to be a big foot and blah blah blah and yeah, and you know, sure he was probably on psychedelics at the time, but that doesn't matter, because drunken high people will see these things or here here are these things too, and it doesn't matter. At the end, of the day. Maybe he heard one, maybe
he didn't. But man, talk about a possibility, you know, the rainbow gathering at scook A Meadows. I bet you the big foots. The big foots had to be aware of that, had to be aware of that, even if they were five miles away. Yeah. But Richard from the UK Man, thanks so much for a great question. I appreciate it, and thank you so much for reading books. Reading the Freeman book. I hope you're really enjoying it. I think it's fantastic, of course, and
apes among us required reading. It's required reading for any big Footer. In my opinion, I think that all of our listeners should put their nose in some books and read them. I got a weird Oh, I got a weird letter this past week that and sinuated that I look down on people who don't read books and I'm above them. Yeah. I don't know if that's the case. I don't know if that's the case. Kind of a weird, passive aggressive sort of thing, but whatever, I don't really care.
That's fine. The fact is we should all be reading books. As Mark Trent said, the person who doesn't read has no advantage over those who can't read, so read a book all right? Thank you Richard. Where we got next for it? Hey, Cliff and Bobo, big fan of the show. I am sending this message in from Omaha, Nebraska. My question for you guys today is, so, I know a lot of people would love to see Finding Bigfoot feedback on the air. However, I know there's
probably a slim chance of that ever happening. So with that in mind, I was thinking, well, I know, at least I would watch, but I'm sure a lot of other people would watch as well. But I'm curious to know if you ever thought about just doing videos on YouTube, just kind of like vlogging your experiences on your own personal investigation where your personal nights
outsquatching. I would definitely watch, So I just curious to know if that's ever being an idea and or a possibility of you guys ever doing something like that in the future. Thanks guys, great question. Thank you very much for that. I didn't catch a name. I don't think I heard a name, but I did hear Omaha, Nebraska, so Omaha. Thanks so much for that question. Appreciate it, and I guess you should be happy
to know that I'm doing that. I'm doing that now, but I don't do it through Bigfoot and Beyond. I do it through my museum we had at the North American Bigfoot Center. We have a museum membership, and all members, no matter what tier of membership, they get weekly updates on the museum and things that I think are cool, or where I'm going to be speaking, or little tidbits. This was donated. Check this out. It's cool, you know, like things that I think are cool, you know,
in bigfootland. But the real treasure of being a member of the NABC is at twice a month you get documentaries that we make in shop of our own personal bigfoot research or deep dives into evidence, although we haven't done a deep dive into evidence in many, many months because we've been in the field so much. So Yeah, but but then again, maybe you don't have an extra six bucks to throw out the NABC to be a member, or
or you're not interested, which is totally acceptable as well. So what I've started doing is I'm slowly hand picking some of the best videos that we have and putting them out on YouTube. So an ABC has a YouTube channel, I don't advertise it because there's I think there's only four maybe five videos up at this point, and I'm just kind of slowly adding to it. There's
no hurry for me. You know. Eventually I'll probably put ads on it or something to generate another income stream for the museum, because every dollar helps. When we're doing something like a big Foot museum, you know, it's sometimes hard to stay above water there. But um so anyway, Yeah, there is an n ABC YouTube channel. I'm hand picking some of the videos on there and putting it out some of the things that I think are most
interesting. But we've been doing this for for over three years now, or about three years at least, so there's a huge backlog of videos I could be putting up, and so go over there check it out if you like what you see. That's the quality of stuff that we're producing here at the n ABC, and you know, all modesty aside. I believe the museum here is putting out the highest level Bigfoot content online anywhere. And I know it's a real strong statement, but I can say that because I'm not I'm
not aware of anybody else doing anything and of such high level content. But that is probably because I'm not looking so as far as I know, we have the best content out there because I don't look anywhere else. So I think that's a safe thing to say in that sort of way. So what we're already doing that, But what's gonna be up next week? You know, we're gonna go to the woods. Maybe I can bring a camera out, we can throw a little something on the on the big Foot and beyond
page. But we'll see. I was so glad to be done filming, like just we had so many nights ruined. We wouldn't be there without a camera crew. But then it was like a catch twenty two. The camera crew would definitely I think we would have had I think we definitely would have had footage like Cliff that night in Tennessee. Um, there's a few times I think we would have got They were coming up, they were walking up on us, and the camera guys couldn't hold still, so they'd run around
trying to get those shock because they're getting yelled out. They're not getting the proper angle. And just in the infrared lights, I mean it just they see the infrared. It's just it's like a light to them out in the woods. We don't see what they do and so I just it's you know, if I'm out there poking around the day, I'll try to be as quiet as possible, you know, I'm trying to like blend in and go
quest. So I just I just don't film anything, you know. And if you aren't listening out there and you're a member of the podcast The big Foot and Beyond as we affectionately call it Beyond big Foot and Beyond, there are actually two museum videos posted to our Patreon page, so you can go back into the big Foot and Beyond Patreon and see two of the videos I release to my museum members if that is of interest to you. So omaha, if that is of interest, check it out see if you like it,
stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. Okay, let's go to the next question. Then, Hey, Cliff, Hey Bobo. This is Eric from Phoenix and I've been a huge fan of you guys since Finding big Foot and was obviously really disappointed when it was canceled, but thrilled that I still get to hear from you guys on the big Foot and Beyond podcasts. So really enjoy it. Have a lot of fun listening to you guys. One of the questions
I have is related to the state of Iowa. I'm originally from Iowa and grew up hunting, fishing, trapping, and my dad, who just passed away last year at eighty six, hunted fish trapped. I had asked him about if he ever had any instances of Bigfoot or heard anything or saw anything when he was out doing all this trapping, and he said no. And I'm just surprised. On the BFRO website there's only seventy six i think reports from Iowa. And based on the amount of food, the amount of water,
you know, there is quite a bit of cover in Iowa. I'm just surprised there's not more reports. And I know you guys had one episode where you're in Iowa and it was pretty squatchy, But just curious to get your thoughts on the state. Have you been back besides that one episode in any of the thoughts as to why there maybe haven't been more reports. Anyway, keep up the great work, guys, love the podcast. Iowa.
Well, we had great luck out there. I mean we had them around us up in Yellow River State Park in the very northeast corner up by the Wisconsin border. But that's not like typical Iowa habitat tho. I was like right off the big bluffs of the Mississippi. The area had good topographical features compared to the rest of the state, you know, like with the you know, some steeper valleys, and it was just great habitat we had. We had them there for sure, had them there. So but the rest
of i was not so much like that. And I think the part might have something to do that is uh Iowa. I mean when you think of Iowa, I mean that's I mean, that's you know, all politicians with reference Iowa. That's like the heartland. It's like the ultimate Midwest, you know, where people are conservative, you know, they they value what their neighbors think of them. They're you know, just not going to be talking
about that kind of stuff out and open so much. Yeah, And I think the topography thing is one of the keys there, because i was a relatively flat state at least the parts I saw. But over by the Mississippi River which is where the Yellow River State Park is, and there are other river valleys stuff, and I think those are the places that you would have to go to find good pristine sasquatch habitat the rest of it is kind of flat and farm and it's not it's not like they're not out in those I
mean they're out in the corn fields. There are photographs of these things in corn fields, videos of them running through it. They are out in the corn fields. But I think the home base is are these river valley sort of things, these deeply wooded the deeper the better river valleys. And also topography that offers them a way to get away from people because we aren't very
good at that and they are. But also something else that a lot of people overlook about topography, and the advantage of living in a place with a lot of topography, is that it literally increases the surface area on which to feed. It increases the surface area of the land instead of a flat plane. There's all these up and downs and mountains and stuff, which increases the square footage of places that these animals can feed. I think that's part of
it as well. And as Bobo mentioned, I was a fairly conservative place, and I don't necessarily mean politically conservative. That's not what we do here at a big fom beyond what I mean, I think what Bobo beans is kind of keeping it simple. Yeah, socially conservative in a lot of ways. They don't want to be thought of as a weirdo basically because out on the left coast here, none of us seem to care, you know what, We're pretty weird. We're pretty open about it. Key Portland, weird
whatever, all that sort of stuff. Although there's a lot of obviously conservative people here as well, but they don't want to be thought of as the freak, the drunk, the hallscinator, the crazy person, the drug user or whatever things would be slapped on someone who was interested in this sort of subject. And finally, something I want to point out. To have a bigfoot report, what you need is a bigfoot in the same place as a person, and that person has to be willing to share it, and they're
Luckily now we have places like the BFRO. You can submit your report to a nationwide database somewhat anonymously. You just have to give your name and phone number if you ever want to get published, because on the BFRO somebody has to talk to you an interview about it before it can get published. But you have to have a researcher who's interested, essentially, And there's not a lot of researchers in that area. There are some, and some very good
ones, but there's not a lot of them. Where in the Pacific Northwest. You know, if you could throw a rock and probably take down a couple of researchers. So I think a lot of these factors go into that. But I think available habitat is a big one, because sasquatches need some room to stretch their legs man, and in places where they're like in the Great Plains for example, where sasquatches are known to exist, like South Dakota
for example, they're always in the deep rip. They're always in those river valleys that they hang out in there during the day. They need to get out of the sun. They need to get into some shade. They need the plants, they need the water, they need the animal life, they need all that stuff. And I'm looking at a map of Iowa right now, a satellite image of the thing. There's not a lot of that.
There's seem to be a lot of rivers stretching all throughout it. Most of it, frankly, is going to be over by the rivers, by the big rivers, by the Mississippi or whatever other giant rivers that you have in there, So I think that has a lot to do with it. Eric Kue up the next question. Hey guys, this is Josh from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Love the show, loved Finding Bigfoot. My question is here in Pennsylvania, are there any areas that are hot spots for activity? I know
towards the Poconos they're supposed to be activity. I was just curious if you guys had any suggestions. Love the show, Love you guys, see you, We love you too. Josh, he's all right, great guy. He clearly as a human of superior intellect and taste. Pennsylvania hot spots lots Man Alleghany National Forest is number one. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of researchers. There are a lot of research groups. You could definitely hope
that was someone to get out there. No problem like Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society up top of my head. I mean there's multiple groups or that they got a lot of good researchers and there's endless places to go. Yeah, endless like the Allegheny gets all the press, you know, because there's researchers on the western side of the state, and a lot of reports come out of there, but there's a quiet spot in the central. Like I'm looking at a
map right now, Susquehannock State Forest. I think that looks killer. I would try out there, especially since you're down in Philadelphia. You don't want to drive too far, you know, so why you know, cut a couple hours off your drive and just like go up there north of like Williams, Border, Lockhaven or one of those places and see what's going on there.
Eastern PA doesn't have a ton but that's probably because of a lack of researchers and also there's something less habitat Moneymaker and I did an investigation back in two thousand and eight in Butler County. Butler County has a ton of stuff. We ran into him there. We found him. Some cop saw one on the Little Buffalo Creek I think it was called. And we were walking up and down there and we found where we found where they were holding up
during the day. We got knocks and whistles and we can hear him running around and stuff. It was great. And the funny part is I didn't know this at the time, but my future wife was a six minute drive away. So I recommend you go big footing in Philadelphia because you might end up getting married to a fantastic person in Philadelphia. Oh, in ben Pennsylvania. Sorry maybe I know, I know. Yeah, don't go big footing
in Philadelphia. Yeah, there's no point. But go north. Go north a few hours, go to the woods, and I think you have a really decent shot at most anywhere. But I think the further west you go, the better you're going to be. Although southwest down by Uniontown, it goes off to Man that's where all that chestnut Ridge stuff was happening. Yeah, there's a lot of places. Yeah, you know, take a look at a map. Go to the bfr O, go to what that guy
the mapping Bigfoot or yeah BNP, the big Foot Mapping Project. Yeah, go to his side. He's got a great thing. And just look for where there's a two or three or four or more sighting reports within like five or ten miles. Go there. That's the best way you're going to find him. That the best way to find a sasquatches. Go where they've been seen before numerous times, and just keep hitting it and keep hitting it. And then it comes down to a game. Who's going to blink first?
You or the bigfoot? In other words, who's gonna give up? It's probably gonna be you, because the bigfoots are already there living and do you have what it takes to be persistent enough to be successful in this? But everybody loves camping, So go once or twice a year, go enjoy yourself. That's the great thing about this bigfoot thing. You don't have to be hardcore. You don't have to get out once or twice a week. You can go three times a year and have a great camping trip with your family
or whoever, your friends and maybe even here one. There's something in bigfoot for everyone. I think it's a great subject and it's a great way to get outside and get healthy and get happy and get your nose in books and just increase the enjoyment of your life. Yeah, Hearing one's a definite pot I mean, you can you have a very good possibility of hearing one if you're in the right places at the right time of year. That's Seeing one's pretty tough, but you can hear them, that's for sure. Yeah,
and Pennsylvania is a fantastic place for it. Heck, you know you recognize any of the places we went on our two or three episodes we did. I mean, you said, you're a fan of the show, Josh, and just go back to where we went. Go there, go there. If there's a reason we chose those places. You know, Matt has a nationwide network of researchers who are out in the woods of fair amounts, and we took the best intelligence we could find, the best most recent reports,
and we went to those locations. So if you know where we went and one of these Finding Bigfoot episodes, go there, go there. We went there for a reason. We just we didn't let the producers choose after season one, we didn't let the producers choose. They We forced them to listen to us, and we chose the spots based on the best intelligence available at the time. Okay, we got our last voicemail right here. Let's hear that one, clobo as it going fellas. This is Rusty from Idaho.
And I was wondering, most of the big Foot encounters I've heard are like negative or scary in a way, And I'm wondering if you guys have heard any stories or encounters about like a funny encounter or when the Bigfoot did something funny, you know, like waved or like laughed at somebody, you know what I mean. I mean, do you guys know if any uplifting or like positive big Foot encounters because it seems like everyone's always just scared. But
anyway, I love the podcast Fellas keep it up. Yeah, most are benign. I mean, most are just most most of us are the big Foot just taking off and you get brief seconds of it taking off in the whisk getting away from you. And there's tons of reports people you know, having maybe not amusing, but just you're not gonna hear because all the big Foot podcasts on the intense encounters, that's what people want to hear. People. People are going to tune into a show where you just talk about I
saw one walk away or you know like that. So that's that's what That's what people want to hear, and that's what the media generates. So but
there's most most accounts are benign. There are a lot of scary reports and there are the humorous ones, and there's reports of them helping people, you know, carrying injured people out of the woods, rescuing children like the our episode two I think it was big Foot in the bear about the kid in North Carolina disappearity, he said a bear kept him warm at night in the
cave and then carried him around. There's the one An origin where a kid was back in the eighties got rescued in the coast Guard chop that was flying had a thermal thermal imajure, and they said it was the biggest creature they ever saw wild in North America. It came out and set the kid down and went back into the woods. And the kid said that a big hairy man bear thing was carrying him around, keeping him warm. So, I mean there's stories like that for sure, you know. And as far as
sasquatches being scary, I don't see it like that. I see the person being scared. And that's an entirely different thing. I mean, except, you know, except for like when they're screaming at you're throwing stuff or trying to chase you have an area, then they're trying to be scary. But for the most part, sasquatchs are just doing what they do and the human is scared. But that doesn't make the sasquatch scary. That makes the human
scared. There's a difference there. And I keep thinking back to one of the things that we investigated on finding Bigfoot. I want to say it was in Tennessee that this dude saw one through his window and it seemed to be imitating his facial movements. Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that. And of course all it takes is a person to have panicked there, and suddenly the bigfoot was making scary faces at him. No, no, the human
was scared. It's a perception issue, you know. But yeah, and maybe that sasquatch is just playing with that person, you know, but interacting in some sort of way. And there are certainly lots of benign stories about them interacting, but most of the time they aren't seen. For example, when some people have left food out for them, and when they go back to the offering pile or whatever you want to call it, the food is gone except for a number of apples or whatever they left that are equal to
the number of humans that left it. So that kind of shows that sasquatches there's some sort of altruism there. There's some sort of idea of sharing with the sasquatch, which I think is really interesting. It kind of parallels a lot of the studies being done on chimpanzees and whatnot, learning how chimpanzees mourn they're dead or have these other human emotions and want to share and do these
sort of things. Sasquatches are no different. We can learn a lot about ourselves and our own behaviors by studying sasquatches and all the other ape species, because again, we're just another one of those. We're a special ape, but we are an ape, you know, that's our family. We're closely related to them, and a lot of our behaviors or parallel to them. There's a lot to learn there. There's a lot to learn from these animals and about ourselves. So and as far as the laughing and whatnot, Tom
Powell told me he thought a sasquatch laughed at him once. He was I think it was after all that Chehalis stuff, the Jalis project that he details in his excellent book called The Locals. Everybody should read that. It's a great one. And I think he was banging on the trees and doing stuff out in Chehalis, didn't get any results, or something came home and he heard a knock or something in the back of his property. And he goes, oh, great, they're here, and I think this is the same
night. I could be wrong, but I remember he was walking up the porch and he stumbled because he had to walk upstairs to get in Tom Powell's house, and he stumbled. And when he stumbled, he said that something laughed at him from the from the woods. My dad had one laugh at him in the exco when he was putting, when they were up in the hay barn we run out on the Hickorya reservation back in two thousand and four.
There's a couple of nights before I had my best sighting and my dad was putting on his changing his underwear and he's, you know, put put We went to slip on his u chonies. He got his big toes stuck in and made him stumble and fall forward. And he heard giggling and then he heard like like little kids, and he heard a big and they all went dead quiet, and I goes, hey, who's up there? And started, you know, going, who's who's that? And they ran and
jumped out of the barn and we heard him. We heard him yell, and we heard the running the boom boom, and they jumped out and that things didn't break stride running away, and then we heard a big cut and he had sheets of uh you know, like chent inch wide sheet metal that siding that had blown off in a storm, that was laying out, you know, fifty yards from the barn. And as they're running out, one
stepped on it. It was a about a fifteen to sixteen inch you can outline of it wasn't like a perfect outline, but you can see where it had stepped on it, like the dew was disturbed on it and everything. I mean, it was. It just happened. And my dad goes that some of a bitch was laughing at me port fireball. He thought it was kids. Other apes laugh, they laugh. They don't do it in the same way we do, but they expressed the same emotion in a different way.
Um animals are known to basically laugh, And I think that's really cool. We're not so different. No Clil got say, for all the people that are screaming at their phones or computers right now, that sas watches seem definitely be scaries, and they can't be scary. They can they can be scary, Oh sure they can. Sure, they can't, but they can scare people. And you know, it's like when we went to Australia and we were one, are they are dead? Dad? Even are they like
violent and stuff? No? The researchers down there who are putting that on the animals, you know, I don't know. You haven't listened to all the reports and read all the reports, Mama show that I've read of where they've I've heard. I went into accounts talking where they it seemed like they were in jeopardy. I understand. I just see a fear as a perceptions
of the person. You know, Um, I imagine a stone cold you know cowboys sort dealing with grizzly barriers probably isn't afraid of them, but people from the city would be terrified of them. So I think it's a lot in the observer itself, is what I'm trying to say. Oh, that's that's a lot of it. But they can't. They can definitely be scaring.
Absolutely absolutely they scare me. And people that are looking in the eye like close and like close up to a big male or even the females like the look the looks of just pure like stare they gave them the look they gave. I mean, it could just be their natural countenance, but they see like people will say that they're like they saw him at first when they first locked eyes, that they had like a neutral expression, and then it just pure hatred just burns out of them, just out of them, you
know, and starts growling. And I'm absolutely positive they can be horrifyingly scary, horrifyingly scary. But how much of that is perception of the observer versus the intent of the Sasquatch, I don't know. I think it's certain intent. They know exactly what they do. They know they know what reaction they're going to get out of us when they do certain things, for sure.
I mean they they know human psychology on that level. I think really well, well, I've always said they don't speak English, but they're effective communicators. Yeah, And I'm with you, I don't We're not that far off. So I think you're taking issue with something may not be there. So I'm just saying it takes a person to be afraid for them to be scary, right, except your apology will move on. I wish I had an apology for you. Bob's stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Bobo. Will be right back after these messages. Okay. The first one is from Robert Man's Sarah, can you share your thoughts on the Redwood Playboy footage on Walker Road? Do you guys think the footage is real or fake? Jeff Meldrum, Thomas Steinberg, and Danny Perez all went there to check it out at one time. I've been there many times. Yeah, it was just there a few months ago. Actually, I was a week and
a half ago. The size is impressive. But then when we would high check, when you starts slow mowing and you see like a bell bottom on one of those steps, I'm like a tennis shoe, it's kind of like it that's hard to ignore. Yeah, Yeah, there's step there that implies it's real. There's step there that implies it's fake. It's just one of those things at this point where I'm comfortable enough just to say, like,
I'm not so sure about that one. Maybe maybe not. I could be probably convinced either way, but at this point I don't think it really matters. Yeah, we know there's sasquatches there, right, Well, that's how I remember that family that was hosting the campground across the river from there and all the stuff they had happened. Yeah they were early are saying yeah. So I mean there's there, there's there's big foots there with that one in the in the there's a costume or a real one. I don't know.
I mean you listen to Jaffer like, well that's really can plainly. Then you sit with Doug high check and then he you know, goes look at this and he blows it up in free strange are like, dude, that's a shoe and a pat leg, you know, or a costume leg. That's the problem with a hoax or as they pollute the waters, you know, even if and I'm saying that they hoax this or anything, they might have been hoaxed or maybe it's real. Um. Yeah, I don't know.
There's some things in there that like, well is that a strap as it looks like a suit or um. And then there's rumors of people, you know, ride a motorbike to the location with a monkey. I don't know, rumors and whatever. At some point, it's something that we as big footers probably need to remember a little bit more often, is that some it's big foot in a way, it kind of doesn't matter. M we
know that they're real animals. Is that film real? Or is the person the psychopath who put it out, you know, who think wants to fool everybody and gets off on it somehow. I don't know. I'm kind of neutral on that one, and I really haven't spend that much time on it. The locations great, I'll tell you that. Yeah, it's a big church stop. Now they turned that Walker Road and like they've in large like I got turning Wayne and it's it used to be like relatively you know.
I mean you get people in the summer, but there's people there a year around now and it's it's a major churst spot. I thought they did something to it because I remember just being like this little podunk road that doesn't kind of went off into the woods and stuff. But now there's like there's a parking lot and there's trash cans and trailhead and everything. Yeah, of course, And I don't know what tree was by either, but I think you know, if you went about two miles past that, you know, you'd
probably be in the zone. Definitely. Yeah. Again, I was just there, like literally, like when I went down to California for that funeral, for my buddy's funeral. I dropped by there on the way back up and looked around and filmed a little bit of it and stuff in case I want to use it for the Patreon stuff. But I was I thought it had changed, but I thought maybe I wasn't quite sure at the time. So I'm glad you've verified that for me. All right, let's go to
the next written one. Then your turn, Bobs. This is from Lee Wilson. When Bigfoot is proved as an actual living animal, do you think zoos and Disneyland type businesses will want a Bigfoot on display? And what can be done to stop that happening? Great show, guys, keep up the good work. Um, I don't know. I mean, if they're proven to be in the Haman in line, I think they wouldn't be allowed to.
I hope they wouldn't be allowed to. Yeah, but certainly they'd want to because you know, corporations are driven by the almighty dollar and all that sort of stuff, and you see how a lot of these organizations practically abuse animals. Now, Um, you know, of course zoos and whatnot, they're they're necessary, you know, they're necessary for preservation of genotypes and and DNA stuff, and they play a role. I'm not I'm not I'm not
hitting zoos and stuff like that. Um, I'm not so sure they need to be put on you know, like you know, clap monkey clap sort of stuff. You know, Like I'm pretty uncomfortable with the big whales, for example, in places in like the marine parks being put on display and made the do tricks and living in a very very very very very small enclosure. I'm not super hyped on that, but I understand the role of these institutions and trying to counteract a little bit about the damage to the environment and
the ecosystem that humans tend to do. I'm not sure they'd be they would live because let's look at the mountain gorilla, for example, there are no mountain gorillas in captivity because they don't live. They die. Maybe they crush their spirit, maybe it's a diet thing, but they Humans have never successfully
kept mountain gorillas in captivity for extended periods of time. That was true for great white sharks too for a long time, and it kind of still is because Monterey Bay Aquarium, for example, they do go out and they capture juvenile great white sharks, and they have a wonderful pelagic display with tunos and doroto and sunfish and all these amazing big deep water polagic species of fish. And they put great white sharks in there because the tank is big enough.
But even then they get big, they let them go eventually. Some animals just do not do well in captivity. And I have a sneak in suspicion that sasquatches are going to be one of these. And really, I mean, how bummed out would it be? And would people want to see a bummed out, depressed you know ape, It would be too dangerous to keep.
There's having a you know, eight nine foot eight nine hundred pound analysts, the fastest animal at your zoo, the quickest, the smartest with hands, I mean, you know, trying to like trick them, like you know, getting to go in and out from the daytime enclosure to the nighttime enclosure. You're going to clean up the you know, the water features. You've got to isolate them like good luck, you know what I mean. Like the way those things can jump, and I mean how strong they are,
like even like that bulletproof glass. I think they'd be started to pick up a rock. If you big foot that had, you know, something they could just pick up and smash it. It could smash its way through. I mean, I just don't see it unless you have little ones. A rang of tan routinely escape their enclosures. They figure out how like things
are kept like. They unscrew things with their hands, you know, because they're amazingly strong that there's nothing for an orangutan to pick up a five hundred pound weight and carried around nothing for them, and their fingers have a huge crushing strength. They can actually literally unscrew the bolts and whatnot on the glass
enclosures, and they've been known to escape this way. They have. Some zoos have trouble orangutans that escape multiple times, and they coax them back into the cage because you know, at the end of the day, the orangutans in charge. Essentially at the end of the day, all humans can do is coax them in the right direction. And sasquatches would be way more troublesome than that. They would be such a pain in the butt to keep. I don't even know how you do it. You'd have to have some you
ever see that movie The Iceman back in the eighties or whatever. Yeah, would like some thought out in Neanderthal comes back to life and he's in some enclosure like that. It would have to be something like that. But even that, how would that work? These things are so strong, so smart and in problem solving, just like you know. It's just I don't see
how it can be done. But certainly corporations would want to do that because what a great attraction that would be and how much money would they make. But I don't know. I don't think it would be a great attraction. I think it'd be depressing. They'd have well, I'll tell you this, like some Eastern European countries, in Asian countries, they have no problem displaying
them. You know, there'd be no moral qualms. Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure the moral I don't think the sasquatch would have any moral qualms. And ripping their arms off either definitely not no, And I might be on the side of the Sasquatch on that one. Oh yeah, you're locking them up for nothing, well for something, but I mean not worth I just think it. I mean, if they're if they're really are just more like a gorillas. I think, which I do not think at all,
but then maybe you can justify it more. But they're not in danger of going extinct. There's no good reason. I mean, besides, and how much you really going to learn from sling them in a captive environment versus you know, it's gonna be it's gonna be a it's gonna be are just study of them. I even with tons of funny, it'll be doable, but it's gonna be really like, they're gonna stay mysterious even if even if they come out tomorrow that they're real, and every university puts a research team of
post ride guys out there and the douce. You know, they got the funny for the long range you know, surveillance cameras and like high tech you know, at the latest high tech gear. They're still it's gonna take them a long time to really, you know, learn about them, Like I don't think I'm going to know that much about them in my lifetime now. Now, they got to start from ground zero because all the data is so far gathered is questionable, you know, especially is polluted with the paranormal stuff
and the hoaxes and all that jazz. They got to weed through all that sort of stuff, and at the end of the day they'll probably just throw out the data that we have. They'll keep it around prehistorical reasons and stuff, you know, and probably learn a little bit from it. But it's all suspect according to the scientists because they weren't the ones who collected it, you know, and you know, meldrum stuff hopefully would be used, you
know, in a couple other folks. Hopefully their their stuff would be um pristine enough, um you know, a chain of custody sort of thing, and they can be used to further their knowledge. But they're basically starting from ground zero or less than ground zero, because they don't even think these seems are real right now, and that's below zero, that's a negative, starting
from ground negative two. Next, the next question comes from Jacob k in the age of AI, special effects and advanced computer graphics, how difficult will it be to decipher future evidences being legitimate or hoaxed for videos? In like five years? It's going to be very very difficult. Yeah, So, which I guess, I guess comes back to if someone is lucky enough to get footage, you got to get some other supporting evidence. Goes with it.
You don't have to, but it sure would be helpful. Otherwise, it's just going to be another piece of footage that people are going to say it's fake. Even if it's real. People are going to say it's fake because in their mind's big foots aren't real. And we have real footage now and they still say it's fake. But the Patterson stuff, Patterson Giblin stuff, is pretty hard to deal with as far as skeptics go, in my opinion, because the footprints that are there, the footprints were observed by people
besides Roger and Bob who were there. Several people saw the footprints in the ground. Bob Titmus went out and cast ten of them in a row to add to the two that Roger and Bob got, So there's twelve of them in a row. Well, ten of them are in a row. We don't know where the other two came from because they didn't document that the scene well enough, frankly, but they're supporting evidence is very very strong for the PG film, and there aren't a whole lot of other footage, pieces of
footage that have any supporting evidence like that. The Freeman stuff does, which adds a lot of credibility to the Freeman footage. At least one of his footage is the other one he didn't get in the cast from it. But yeah, so if you're lucky enough to get footage, you need something else because someone's going to call you a liar. So people are saying that the Stacy Brown footage was computer generated, Say, dude, have you never met
Stacy Brown? Like, dude, I laughed with Stacy about that, Stacey Brown Junior at least like this this this person over here saying that you did this on computer And he goes like, what, I don't know how to do that. I know that, man, you're a good guy, but like you don't know how to do that. Um. Yeah, so I don't know. People are going to accuse you of doing AI stuff anyway, especially nowadays. So that's why more data is necessary from any film site in
my opinion. Yeah, that's why I was talking to Rick, and when we were talking to Rick and Noll, a couple of episodes goes, you know, saying like, do you carry a film camera just so like there's less controversy, you know, as opposed to digital. And he's like, uh, he uses digital for the he has them and he brings them. But yeah, you gotta, I guess, you know, it's it's too expensive to try to shoot. You know, if you shot every like weird thing you saw in the woods, like is it? What's that? Show?
You start taking pictures just in case it is something, you'd go through a lot of money. Yeah. It reminds me when I had film trail cameras. All that's the worst, Oh the worst. They're slow and it costs, like you know, back in the day, like twelve eight or twelve or something to find out you've got a bunch of pictures of nothing. Lee's falling and birds flying and grass blowing. Yeah, I think the best thing to do is remain totally incompetent on technology and then go get footage.
Yeah, like Bobo, if you got footage, no one is going to accuse you of like generating AI images. You know. I got I got my uh my same camera that Roger used, the Kodak Sentam one hundred. Yeah, I got that. So but the film for that, I think for two roles of film for that's like one hundred and seventy dollars now, oh wow wow, But that works. It's proven. Yeah, yeah,
there you go. Yeah, if they don't like the sound of the electronics or something, that's the way to do because it's a totally analog camera spring wound. All right, well we're down to our last question, so Bob, do you want to take it? All right? This comes from Lake and Arnold. I was recently out in the woods and I stumbled upon a very large copper head. It maybe wonder if sasquatches are immune to snake venom Do you guys think that sasquatches are immune venomous snake blits? What? Do
you think? They just have the skills the avoid actually stepping on them. In general, they must step on the accident at times, for sure, And I think it's more that the mass of them would make them survive something like that. You know, they probably get like a bad infection to get some dead rotten meat there, but I'm sure they could live through it. Um, they hunt snakes. We know they eat snakes, So yeah,
that's what I was gonna say. I think that instead of stepping on one or accidentally stepping close to one and getting bit, they probably see it before the snake knows and then eat the thing they were walking at night, you know, like they have to get bit once I'm while walking out there, you know what I mean. I suppose, I suppose I think the sasquatches are eating everything that they're running across. Oh yeah, they'll they'll step on it then eat it. There you go like like I do my food.
Nothing like a good flat burrito. Yeah, I think I think snakes are on the menu, and they're looking for those things all the time for their own purposes. And if you know, if you're always looking for a snake, not at a ye, but for out of hunger, you're probably going to see a lot more snakes because your life depends on it. And I think that that probably help you avoid getting bit quite a few times. But yeah, it's certainly in all history. Some yeah, sure, some sasquatch
has probably got bit, but I think far more snakes got eaten. Yeah. I talked to someone in the South one time. I can't remember whore when or what even stay, but it was like Florida, Georgia or something like that. Well, they said they saw a bigfoot reach down to snatch a snake and just whip it like a bull whip and smack its head off. A rock whatever killed it and then walked away with it makes sense. I mean, I've eaten snake and it's good. Yeah, I like it.
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