Big Foot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so lightshay, subscribe and raid it five, stitch me day and watching always keep it squatchy. Here and now your hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bobo Fay. Hello, Squatch geteers out there and Bigfoot and Beyond land. This is Cliff from Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and oftentimes Bobo. Um. Bobo is
not going to be here today. He was almost here. In fact, we're starting almost an hour late because he was almost here for almost an hour. But technological problems haunt Bobo. So anyway, you're stuck with jess Meat today. But actually not just me. We've got a great guest and we'll get to him in just a few minutes. A lot of cool stuff's been going out there in bigfoot Land. A lot of stuff cool stuff's been going on, i should say, out there in Bigfootland. Some new footprints were
discovered a northern California just yesterday. We'll bring you more on that. As we get more on that. We theoretically have the finders lined up as guests. We'll see if that comes to fruition or not. I've been meeting a lot of cool people and reconnecting with other people. Just this past week, I had breakfast with a bunch of Bigfoot old timers, as I like to call them, people like Joe B. Lartin, Larry Lund, and a woman named Susannah Branch showed up. She's been a friend of mine for about
ten years, but I rarely get to see her. She was actually a volunteer for Peter Burne's Bigfoot research project back in the day, so she has a lot of interesting photographs and stories and she might be a pretty good guest for Bigfoot and Beyond. Perhaps you'd like to hear from her. I'm pretty encouraged about those potential handprints. I think I tell you about those handprints. I must have told you about those hand prints. But if you're a member
of the NABC, you know about them. You've probably seen the video I made at some point on those. I'm thinking those were the real deal. Man. So we've got another research location, brand new research location that has yielded foot prince and handprints. Now pretty excited about that. And I mean, I don't know when this podcast is going to go out, but by the time you hear it, I will have gone and come back hopefully if the planes are good to me from the Ohio conference. I'm predicting now,
but I'll say band it was a good conference. Glad I went. The next one, of course, that we're gonna be where I'm gonna be appearing at is the thing up in Forks. I'm looking forward to that. That'll be a fun event. I think it's the last weekend here in whatever month. This is May. Yeah, it's May twenty six to twenty eight up in Forks. It's the second annual Forks Sasquatch Days. All sorts of good folks are going to be there besides me. Let's see, I'm looking at
the schedule now. Mark Marcell and Doug Hicheck are going to be there, Marsha Moore and Dave Ellis. Dave Ellis is a good friend and his name is going to come up in our podcast today because our guest has been speaking to him. Thomas Sue is going to be there. I have Brent, Jill and Mike. I don't know who they are. I didn't get a last name on that. And of course Rich drmo the police officer who saw one of those things up by Lapush. It's going to be a good event.
I haven't done this gig before, so if you've done this gig, let us know, let me know what you think about it. You can email the podcast at a big Foot of be On podcast at gmail dot com. And gosh, we're just getting going in conference season, so if you're out there in the country, pay attention to where we're going to be. I'm gonna be poking around the country. I've got a couple of Tennessee gigs. I've got some Ohio stuff coming up. I don't know if Bobo is
going to be anywhere. He's really busy editing his documentaries, so you'll be able to see him really soon. A little disappointed, I understand he had some amazing stories. So here we go. Enough of me. Let's bring in the guests because I'm excited about this guest because Bobo told me about this guy this past week as dude, we got to have this guy on Dude. He's blah blah blah, bobloah blah blah blah blah, And I'm thinking, oh, well, Bobo's blah blahing at me, it must be amazing,
right, So Bobo lined them up. But I love this because see, Bobo's already spent like an hour on the phone with Piers. Piers is this guy's name. I've never met the guy. We started talking an hour ago on the phone here when we're trying to get Bobo to get his technological act together. And so I have never heard this story, so I am hearing it for the first time, just like you our listeners are hearing this story for the first time. So with that in mind, Paris, how
you doing, man, I'm good. I'm good. Uh, I mean, you're you. You give me way too much accreditation. Oh well, you know you're a witness and witnesses are are to be listened to. And um, Bobo said some great things about your encounter. And just so you know, I'm a pretty friendly guy. There nothing to be worried about. I know sasquatches are real. I'd here to make fun of anybody. I'm just here to listen to what you have to say and get some perspective from
what you've learned from this whole event. But um, let's let's learn a bit a little bit about who you are. First. Can you tell us maybe what you do for a living or where you live or any that sort of stuff to give us a background on who you are right now. I'm in Tennessee. I've lived all over the world. I lived in Vietnam for a year and a half. I was in Tanzania for a year and a half. I went to college in Germany. So I've lived all over the
planet. Were you in the service or something. That's a lot of that's a lot of countries to cover. Yeah, not not exactly though, but yeah, it's been a really amazing life. And you know, my one encounter with with the sasquatch happened in uh, Colorado. I was in Colorado for seven years and had an event company, and so that's where I had my encounter. And when when did this encounter happen? It was like ninety nine. I mean I could be wrong, I could be one one off
either way, but ninety nine January is what I think it is. Well, what were you doing? Like, because you know, you don't run into sasquatches in Boulder, for example, you don't run into sasquatches in Denver. Asment is really unique in the fact that it's kind of like Vancouver and the fact that it is it's almost like an island unto itself. I mean there's forces all around you, there's food for bears and stuff all around you.
And they don't hibernate there. I mean because they're coming into town and they and they go they run rough shot over your your trash cans and stuff. And now I've never up been to Aspen. It's one of the places in Colorad I have yet to visit. So is it pretty deep snow in January during um during an Aspen? It can be, It can be for sure. What about this particular winter, I mean it started snowing when I had in my moment, but yeah, I mean it was. It's always
snowing a little bit. I mean it snows like eleven months out of the year there. Oh geez. Really, I wouldn't like it there very much then, although I heard it's beautiful, it's really pretty. But the whole point was I was going out to this Pine Creek cook House, which is amazing. By the way, if you ever get a chance to do that, do this at a restaurant or it's a restaurant and it's out in the Willowness and fantastic food and they specialize and really exotic, you know, meats
and stuff. So you have cariboo, and well those pause on that for a minute, like because I'm always interested in that kind of stuff. So they have cariboo, do they have do they have elk? Absolutely about moose or something like that, moose, buffalo everything. And that was the place of the sighting and the way you get there in the wintertime, you have two choices. You can cross country ski up to it, or you take a sleigh ride on the side. If you're an old, fat guy like
me, Oh my god, this is a different level of restaurant. This is not what I was expecting at all. That's really cool, yeah it is. It's it's pretty spectacular. And so I was there with some friends and you know, we crossed country skied up there. I was in my twenties then, well maybe thirties, but okay, don't tell yeah, yeah,
don't worry about it, you know. Anyway, I mean, so, you know, we hiked up to the spot and had a great dinner and we were the last ones to leave, and because it were just hanging out and having a good time, and it got to the point where there were probably like three people left in the building other than us, and it got to be obvious it was time to to leave the premises. And uh so we we're heading downhill and as luck would have it, I failed to
zip up my green north Face jacket that had my keys in it. So my keys fell in the snow and it's snowing. So that's that's there's some good news. So so we get all the way down to the bottom and this is about I think it's like one point one miles I think somewhere in that range. And we get there and we pull up the car. I mean, you take off your skis and you take off your visor that that has a head lamp. You know that you know allows you to not take
a head off of footfall or something. You know. It's not it's not real bright, neither of mine. So so anyway, so we get down the hill and uh I pull up to the car and uh I don't have the keys, and my friends are low looking at me, and some were from out of town there, from from Virginia, and uh I just said, I gotta go get my keys, and they said, you're never gonna find your keys, Like I mean, it's snowing. We just ran downhill
with this thing or ski downhill, You're never gonna find your keys. But these keys are my house keys, my work keys, everything, Like, I mean, there's no way I'm going to leave that behind. Yeah, your life is on these key chains. It's like losing your wallet or something. It is because I mean, it's easy for them to say, we can catch a taxi and you can go back home, but I can't get into my home without my keys. I can't go into work the next day
without them. And I don't have a car to drive without those keys too. So I said, you know what, I'm gonna go find my keys. So I actually walked back up, and I was not skiing at this point. I was. I walked back up, and I put the head lamp back on my head, and I put one lamp and each other each hands, so I had basically three lamps going on, and I just slowly walked up. I mean, and when I say slowly, I mean slowly. And this is a mild plus, you know, but I don't know
where it could have fallen out. So I mean, I'm thinking I'm going to kick something up, or I'm not going to kick something up, and so I'm being very careful about that. And then I'm focusing my head lamps on the on my feet because that's where I figure I'm gonna find the keys.
And let's fast forward times like thirty minutes because at the top of the hill I'm about to give up. And I actually saw the fib sticking out of the of the snow because it was there was a tree that had blocked some of the snow, thankfully for me, because the story would be indifferently bro it. But anyway, so I picked the keys up and I thought, man, that's that's a moment. That's a moment. What a huge breath of release. I really fat must have been. This is insane.
It's the stress off your shoulders at that point. Absolutely, And I put them in and zipped up my coat. I tucked it away, and I thought, this is a thank you God moment. There's always an opportunity for gratitude, that's for sure. Yes, And then I heard this deep breathing off the side. And get your attention, because you are in the wilderness. I mean when you're when you when you're in to the Prime Creek Cookhouse, you're in the wilderness. Get me no wrong, this is the wilderness.
So I'm honestly I'm afraid that it's a mountain lion or a bear or something. I mean a bear, I could deal with mountain lion. They can they can be kg So I mean, I was honestly more afraid the fact that it would be a mountain lion than anything. And uh, I shined the light on it. The lights plur on it. And this is not a mounta line and it steps out, it takes a lineback or stance.
I'm pretty accurate on a height, you know. I mean people want to say, you know, they're twelve feet tall and stuff like this. It was like seven and a half fell seven to five, So that's what you said. It stepped out, What was it? What was it behind a tree or something, or it was leaning up against the side of the building to try to be invisible. Oh, it was leaning against the restaurant, leaning against the restaurant because it was trying to not be seen. Oh.
I didn't realize we're back at the restaurant. I thought it was like en route to the restaurant somewhere. I'm doing a poor rendition of that. Hey, that's why I'm here, man keeping us on track. Yeah, so it was leaning against the restaurant, which is interesting because you got to wonder why was it going to the restaurant. I wonder if there is an
outside grease trap or something it was rating on a regular basis. Well, that's what David asked me, David Ellis when you spoke to him, David Ellis, Yeah, he asked me about that, which again I answer would be, I don't know, but there was no tree to hide behind. Okay, so it's lending against the restaurant, almost kind of like a plain view in a way. Well, I mean it's it's complete darkness, but you know, you know, I'm illuminating that with the with the light,
and it was trying to not be seen. As soon as that it recognized that it was on pay per view here, you know, I mean, it stepped out and just said, okay, well you know this is where we are. These are my words, clearly, and it just took a posture that was basically permitting, yeah, you said a linebacker stance. What do you mean by that? Okay, so he or she because I'm not going to say which one it is because I don't know, all right,
So it bent his knees. The knees and the hands went out to the side, and it was basically ready for handling whatever's going to come forward to that. I mean, it was just a ready, ready pose. I mean, I don't I don't know another way to say, Cliff like so like again, I'm not much of a sports guy, but kind of like just like two guys ready to face off, almost like a wrestling sort of thing before they engage, but a little bit more stand up. I think
that's fair to say. Yeah, okay, okay, I'm just trying to kind of trying to picture to my head, you know. Yeah, And it was it was ready to handle me, which which would have taken nothing, but okay, it would have taken nothing, but h I mean once once it was on full display, like it just gave up the ghost and just said, hey, look I'm here. Now what And I was like, I didn't ask for what. I didn't know that was part of the deal here, right, Yeah. I was just trying to find my keys
and go back to my tahoe and go home. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these mess Just it's squared off with me, and it's staring at me. And uh, people want to say they have these crazy eyes or something like that. That's not true. I mean, that's not what I saw. I mean, there were deep set eyes, but they were intense, and it was obvious. It was absolutely a it's a creature. It's not something out of some
fairy tale. I mean this, this is a real thing, and you're looking at it and you have to recognize it and give it some respect and give us some room. You know. It kind of waited me out, and I was waiting it out, and I thought, obviously, your your first thought is to run, right, I mean, I mean, if you're encountering, you know, a lion or something, you're gonna run.
But that could trigger something. Yeah, you may not want to. I just thought maybe that could trigger some some thing, and it's mine that I should be pursued if I do that. So I just sat there and staring at it and staring at me. And this went on for roughly fifteen seconds. Fifteen seconds, And how about about how far apart were you at that time? Twenty twenty five twenty five feet holy smokes, Okay, so twenty to twenty five feet. Were there any lights coming off the building or anything,
or your head lamps? The only thing illumining? Nothing? Nothing? Okay, what cloudy? It was pro cloudy thing because you said it was snowing, so the moon wasn't out either. It was snowing. And I looked at the building because honestly, I was trying to find refuge because I thought, all right, so that might be an option because the other rays like a mile and a half down the hill or one point one miles anyway
down the hill, and by that time I'm not gonna make it. So yeah, So I glanced at the building and the lights are all half all out, and I think the people that that worked there probably had between the time of us leaving and me getting back to that spot, they had already
gone home, and so everything was dark. And uh, you know, I mean again, I mean, if you ask me to guess, obviously, probably at times people leave food out or something like that, or trash out maybe, but that'd be just a pure guess because I don't know. It was just there and anyway, so I'm so, I'm I'm squaring off with this this guy or girl, and it has this low growl that is
absolutely unique to anything I've ever heard. I mean, like when a dog growls at you, it has this kind of consistent like thing it does, and it might have to catch his breath, but it's going to be the same growl. This did not sound like that. It was it modulated. That gave me a little pause too, because I thought at some point it's
like, I mean, it's got something to say. When you say modulated, Do you mean like it went up like well up and down in pitch, or did it slow and its rumbles or what do you mean by the word modulated, Because it could mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people, And I'm just trying to get as accurate a picture as I can. Mean, the best rendition would would be if you would were
to play play David's Oh yeah, that's right. Maybe that's a good This is a good time to bring that in because you've already spoken about this to David Ellis, who's a fantastic researcher, a part of the Olympic Project, good friend of our has been on the show before super Smart Guy too, you know super Smart Guy, and he has a recording apparently that matches this
really well identical, except this is deeper. It's deeper, but it's identical other than that, and it goes up and down and it almost mimics voice through the magic of editing. We'll have Matt Prue put that into the episode right now so our listeners can hear it. I never had heard that before, because well, I mean, certainly I did in real time, but but I had not heard the episode that you had on I think it was sixty five, episode sixty five, and I didn't know David. Then I
know David, and I think David's a great guy. He's a super super smart guy. So to listen to him and gained some wisdom from that. You know that that gave me some insight that I did not previously have. So I'm gonna give him some big old shout out. But you know, it was staring off at me and growling, and uh, I never felt threatened. I honestly didn't feel threatened. But I thought that it had chosen its ground and just said basically like this is my this is my assumption,
Like this is where the line ends. That was my intake. It's like the line ends here. Everything after this is real, you know, I just waited him out. And how long did you have to wait before the next move happened? And I'm sure that seemed much longer than it actually was. Well again, I mean considering this, all right, so five seconds
can sound like five minutes. I mean, I didn't never stop watch, but I think the whole thing was probably fifteen or twenty seconds, which is an eternity when you're actually there, well, yeah, when you're yeah, when you're squaring off with something that can end to you. Yes, of course. And it took its hands again, I'm gonna say it because I don't know if it's a male or female. It works for us, the word it works for the situation, all right, So the sasquatch cupped its
hands. I remember this distinctly because there's only a couple of things I'm looking at right now, and I'm when i'm looking that is what's gonna physically be a problem, you know, And that's the hands in the mouth. That's the only thing I'm staring at. That's the only thing I'm shining a light on at this point. I Mean, people ask me, hey, does it does it? Did it have big feet? How do I know?
I mean, it's snowing, so I don't know, I mean, and even if I didn't know, I mean, I'm not gonna stare his feet. I'm worried about these gigantic hands, and I mean in the face, and it's it's almost I don't want to say it's a human face, because that that that would be wrong. But it's close. It's real close. You know, if someone didn't shave for five weeks or something like that, it'd be real close. And the intensity of the stair I'm never gonna forget
that. I'm never gonna forget that. That was something that will resonate with me ever. And then when it put its hands together and it clapped and it did this with his cupped hand thing it did and it sounded like again, I don't want to sound like a crazy person, but it sounded like a door getting shut on a seventies car. It sounded exactly like that, exactly like that. I mean, I'm fifty three years old, so I remember those times. And when you would close the door, it has this
deep clunk noise and that's exactly what it sounded like. And that's when I decided to part ways. Well, here's a deal. Anybody who says that they would have done something different wasn't there and has no right to say so, because I don't know if anybody who's been big footing for a while, or any any witness like yourself who's a purely accidental witness, right to be in that situation. It's entirely different than planning to be in that situation.
You never know what you're gonna do. You never can predict. So how can we didn't take a picture of it? All those questions? Yeah, I can see how someone would ask that, but there's nonsense. Having been in those situations over and above that, I think someone who that says that they can prepare for that, they're lying too. They're lying to themselves, because you know, once you're there and you're facing the storm, it's different. I mean it's different, you know. I mean, you you can
say all day long what you're gonna do. Okay, I'm gonna under these circumstances, this is what I'm gonna do. Oh yeah, that's that's great barroom talk. But you know, when you're in the moment, you know, when when a lion looks you in the face, then you you have it your own come to Jesus moment, so to speak. And that's what I had. And uh, you know, it wasn't some paranormal thing it was. It was a feral thing that I was just I was. I
was intimidated. I'll tell you right now. I was. Anybody would have been. So did a clap once one time? That's all too one clap And that clap was loud. Dude, it was loud. It was really like slamming a door. But I mean, you have to understand, these hands are huge. They're huge, They're huge, they're cartoonish. Again, I'm gonna reference David one more time because David asked me, he said, did it use his mouth to combine that with the with the And the truth
is, I don't know. I mean because the only thing at that point I'm looking at our hands because that's what I think is about to rip me in three pieces. Now I've got a question about and I know I'm really nitpicking here, but I'm curious if maybe if I ask you, maybe you remember something or maybe you notice when I'm when it clapped. You know, like imagine sitting in a in a seat watching a presentation, and then afterwards
you clap your arm. Your elbows would be bent, probably about ninety degrees or so, and you'd be clapping in your hands would be a six inches or a foot away from its chest or your chest. That was that like the position it clapped or how did this sing clap? How did the arms move when they came together? It was just a lightning strike. I mean it was both hands why apart coming together? Were the arms extended when the
hands connected or were they bent? If you remember? And I don't know, it's always an acceptable answer, I mean to tell you the truth. I'm not sure fair enough, fair enough. I'm sure you're a little overwhelmed at the time. I mean, I mean from my recollection, they came from whide apart and they just it just collapsed, just hands into each other. And whether they're bent or not, I don't know. I don't know.
You know, your description kind of reminds me of is like a grandmother trying to scare away a dog from a picnic in a way, you know, like these faster, hey you get out of here sort of things. There's something about what you're describing that reminds me of that. It's hid the same effect because I left. I bet it, Yeah, because that's what
I wanted to ask you. Because even though Sasquatches are not humans and it's hard to get inside their head and they don't speak English or whatever other languages, all apes, we're still all apes, and they're very effective communicators. What did you feel it was communicating to you by that clap? Or was even for you? I don't know. It was time to leave the situation.
That's that's what I got, you know. It was it was okay for a minute, and it's like, all right, you need to go home, and I was like, you know what, I got no problem with that, no problem with that. And is that what you did? What happened next? I mean a face planted like three times, run downhill because I'm running in snow, so you turned and ran At that point, yes, once you decide that it's time to exit stage right, you know, I mean, you don't do it, you know, any wonderful way.
Yeah, there's no grace at that point, no grace because I mean you you know, and you're thinking. I've had had people ask me, hey, did you look behind you and see what's coming? It's like, no, No, I did not. I did not yeah, you might see it. Why why would you look? I mean, if you see it, it's over. I mean the thing could have overturned me in a half second. So I mean, if it's behind me, it's behind me. And and I'll never find out. You know, the thing that struck
me is not the height, it's the width. Honestly, the width is what probably stood out to me. Is it just a shoulder with or with it? The whole torso or width of the shoulder with shoulder with was like four and a half feet wide. And uh, you know, and you know, I've shared this story with friends and they're like, hey, you know, four feet wide, it's not the big deal. No, it's a big deal. It's a big deal on a seven and a half foot tall one, it is. Yeah, it's a big deal. And they're
perfectly sculpted, let's put it that way. Yeah, this thing is definitely worked out. I mean I don't want to fight it, that's for sure. Yeah. You know, I happened to be sitting at the desk here at the North American big Foot Center and all over this museum here we have we have we have a tape measures I'm measuring my shoulders now, and I'm not a big man. I'm five foot eight tall as long as I'm not slouching, and I'm measuring my shoulders right now, and they are basically twenty
one inches and I'm fairly broad shouldered. I get I think for my height, twenty one inches. So take that time's two point three exactly exactly. Anyone who doesn't understand how big that is doesn't get it. I mean, it's absolutely with cut out the song. That's great. And by the way, I've I've got to congratulate you on your math skills, you know, because twenty two inches times two point three is fifty point six and that's like a you know, four foot Well. I've got a real good friend of
mine. He played for the Mavericks. He's a he's six foot eleven and h Yan Mahemi he was. He played for the Mavericks when they win the championship with durk Navisky, and so that kind a pretty good, you know, reference point of height and stuff. And this was taller, but the width was amazingly different. I mean, there's there's no human that could feel that, no way, you know. And you know, I've had people ask me like, oh, you think somebody was wearing some suit or something
like that. Why in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of nowhere, why would they do that. That's not possible. And they couldn't even fill it out if they tried. It would be like making a prank phone call to a to a number that you know won't pick up. Like, that's not gonna happen. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo will be right back after these messages. The only reason, the only reason that I saw this sasquatch was the fact that I dropped my keys in the snow and I went downhill and I came back up real slow and real quiet, and it's snowing and I'm down with so it can't smell me, it can't hear me because I'm basically just shuffling my feet to try to churn up my keys. And uh, and I just stumbled upon it and it was probably like focused on some other stuff, and and uh, you know,
you know, David David Ellis asked me. He's like, hey, he was there a trash can outside? I don't know, I don't know. I mean, you think I'm gonna go back and look, no, that's a that's a check sign right there. Man. When it's time to go home, it's time to go home. You know that was havn't been back actually, you know, having not been back, and they have great food. It's a great place, you know. I just you know, that was my little moment. And I'm not qualified to be on this show.
I'll be the first one to say that, Oh I would. I would be the first one to disagree with you. No, I'll due respect. I think you had a fantastic encounter. That's close up and cool, and yeah, you've got an interesting observation because you know, the vast majority of sasquatch sighting reports seem to be road crossings or I saw it at a distance and it disappeared, that kind of thing where there has very very little information about about the animal. You know, it's a snapshot, and you're
trying to write a biography about a person based on a snapshot. But in situations like this, where there's a little bit of a standoff and there's a little bit of an interaction, maybe almost you've observed the sasquatch doing something unusual that kind of broadens our understanding of their species and the things that stand out
to me. It's so far, and I still have some questions for you, by the way, but the things that stand out to me so far about this is number one, it was leaning against a building when you encountered it's okay, So that tells me the thing goes to this building sometimes for something, most likely food. So maybe it's raid in the trash cans, which is problematic because you can't tell if sasquatches raid the trash cans because they very often put the lids back on. They're not like bears in that sort
of way. Maybe there's a grease trap, because that's been well documented in places an Oklahoma, for example. There's a video of one of these things doing that thing. And also, once it knew, it tried to hide, but once it knew the gig was up, it kind of squared off against you. It looks like or sounds like with that exception, that is exactly what happened. Yeah, yeah, so it was ready to take you
on because you put it on notice somehow exactly. And then of course the clapping thing was infinitely useful because it's been a discussion for a long time. I've been putting this out since at least two thousand and six or two thousand and eight, that sasquatches are doing more than hitting trees with sticks. Man, They're they're clapping or making mouth and pop noises or something or maybe all
of those things and more. And the more visual observations of these kinds of behaviors, the more fuel we have for that fire, the more evidence we have for that hypothesis, which is by the way, supported by the other known apes as well. Gorillas are well known to do the same. The clunk noise definitely was hand to hand. Yeah, that is really cool because I personally heard car door slamming in the woods and I had no idea why
they were there. Couldn't have been cars where I was, So that this is, you know, kind of filling in that puzzle piece for people like me and other people have heard similar things. When it did that, my eyes got wide, like it was just to me, it was it was expressing itself like you need to vacate the premises, like I mean, like it was very clearly just going, you're not okay here, You're not okay here, and h and so guess what, I don't have to be asked
twice about in that moment. I mean, it was it was real. I don't know, primal, I guess, so to speak. And maybe just the way it did it. I mean you wouldn't. You wouldn't normally, uh expect the sound to come out of that. But the way it cupped his hands, I mean, I guess that's the way it does it. I'm looking at Google Earth right now and I found Pine Creek cook House. But it doesn't look like it's a mile from the fifteen highway. No,
It's definitely was one point one miles back then. So I mean, I haven't this is nineteen ninety nine, so maybe maybe this highway is new or something like that, because it looks like there's a road that goes up to it at this point, it could have changed. But okay, where you at Castle Creek trailhead? By any chance that rings a bell? But I don't know exactly. I mean, I mean, this is a long
time ago. It's a long time ago. It is that this is you know, like literally what thirty year I mean, the whole well, this entire conversation came about because I asked Matt Pruitt, you know, hey, or are there any No one ever talks about sasquatches in Colorado? And uh yeah, I mean I guess, I mean, and maybe it's not that common, but I saw one, so I thought there's got to be. I can't be the only guy who's seen one. It's not possible. There's
no way that's possible. No, no, either. Well, you know, Colorado's big country, man, there's a lot of country, and then not a ton of people out there in that country. So there's I think that contributes to Um, there's no lack of reports from Colorado, but there are fewer there than lots of other states where people in human which surprises a lot, because I mean, I mean, it's it's teeming with its squatchings hill. Oh yeah, I mean you got the trees, you've got rivers,
you've got fish, I mean, deer everywhere. I mean that's just made for that. Now, what was that? What was that run run back to your car? Like what was going through your head at the time, cal Ass, I mean that's pretty much what I was thinking, Like, Okay, we're sasquatches even on your radar before this, absolutely zero. No, just just say, I'm sure sure you've heard a big foot. Certainly, I know what a bigfoot is. You just thought it was all
hogwash. I wouldn't say I was plus or minus on that, but I wasn't concerned with it. When you live in Colorado, I mean, your biggest fear as a mountain lion, because they're they're really they're dangerous. You know, black bears. I've been nosing nose with the black bear literally knows and those are the black bear and and they're not They're not a problem. I mean I went out one time. I was in my underwear and it was early in the morning. I'm probably not supposed to say this on the
show, but I'm gonna say it. So I was just trying to take my trash out and my German shepherd, who always comes out with me, just set this one out and he's and I thought, in hindsight, he's like, yeah, something waiting on you. Yeah, you'll get it there.
Yeah. So I went to hung a left out of my door, and that's right where my trash can is, and then I picked up the lid and then the bear stood up next to it on the opposite side of me, and uh, and we were probably I don't know eighteen inches apart or something like that, and the bear hold ass and and I quickly retreated back to my home. Yeah, because I didn't see that coming either. It's just it's just a random moment, just a random moment in your life.
You know that you have. Now, I hope you don't mind me saying this, but you were a little concerned about coming on the podcast. You didn't want to be made fun of because don't want to be made fun of because I've told the story to people, and and and you know, people want to make you sound like you're crazy. That's what I wanted to ask you, like, how is it really Who did you tell first? And how did they react? And what's been what's been your experience being a
witness ever since? It took me years to really tell anyone that was of importance because I just try to digest that, Like, I mean, all right, so remember this, Like I've got to get back to this car. I got to get in this car and drive these people home. That's right, they're all waiting for you down there. I forgot about that. Yeah, And I'm driving them back to town. And h one of the one of the girls surgeame was Shari and she says, you find your keys
said, yep, that's all I said. That's all I said for like ten minutes straight, like I just hopped in the car, drove down valley and back to Aspen to drop them off. And you know, one of the girls that was with us, her name was Julie and uh, anyway, she was there and she's like, anyone want to have a drink? Is like absolutely yes. I keep them going absolutely yes. Does it come
with a pair of extra underwear? Yeah, because us both Yeah. At that point, and answer to your question, you know my story is pretty boring. No, it's not. No, Like I don't know if you're listening to the same story I'm listening to. This is great. Yeah, this is fantastic. Like you saw it up close. You saw it do cool things at a cool place that its probably ought not to have been and
it got caught and this is fantastic. And I totally understand your hesitation to sharing because you don't want to be heckled because, as you told me before we started recording, I'm just telling the truth the way I experienced it, and that's it, and that's all you're gonna get. Yeah, Well, that's all we ever asked for. I'm sitting, I'm talking to you online
because it's important to me to tell the truth. And what I'm trying to say with this is I just want to move the needle forward a little bit because the next person who sees it, and there's probably been hundreds and thousands of people who've seen them, that won't come up. They won't say it because they get ridiculed, they get made fun of in their little small town or whatever. You know. Fast forward like twenty years from now, no
problem. All the photos are going to come out of the woodshed. Every once got an uncle that had one, you know, But right now, nobody's willing to go on the record. Yeah, how has it changed your life having this experience? Not just like being read killed by your friends and you know, little minded folks that don't want to believe what you're saying, Like, but but has it changed you and your outlook on things, or your relationships with the wilder people or anything like that. Well that's a big
question there, Cliff. But yeah, I mean I mean for me personally, like I like to camp, I like to hike, I like to fish, Nothing of that has changed it's never gonna happen twice say that. You say that, well, I don't know. Man, there's people have been struck by lightning more than a dozen times, and I mean by lightning, not big buts. You know it can happen. I know, I know several multiple time witnesses. It could happen. Again. Bubbo's not online,
so maybe it's not gonna happen. So well, Bubbo's got his own by lightning curse. You know. Yeah, I would say in my life hadn't changed much. I mean, I'm just I've always just been the genuine person that I am. And it works for your it done. I mean, frankly, y'all have been really cool about making me comfortable having this conversation because it's not an easy conversation to have. When you when you have a conversation with somebody and you can express yourself and not be judged, that that
that's meaningful to me. So that's important to me. So I want to give you some props. Let me give you some big old, big old dabs on that. So well, as I told you before we started recording, like I'm an honest person, you know, and I therefore I assume everybody else kind of is too, you know. Um, And I sure I get I make mistakes that way. People do lie to me, and I believe them, But I think that says more about them than it does me, honestly, you know. And and if I'm just open and honest
with people, I would hope they are the same with me. And I think I think you're being I'm I'm confident you're being honest with me. I have no problems with that at all, And I hope that that comes through in my attitude when I speak to with Certainly does it certainly does, Yeah, because I know they're real. I know they're real. So jedhis tell me what you saw on let's let's learn learn a little bit more about him is my thought. And for me, you know, it's not like I'm
looking for validation because I've already seen it, you know. I mean, you know, And that's where you know, I really enjoyed my conversation with David ellis. Uh. I'm going to reference him a lot because I really I respect him a lot. He deserves it. He's a sweetheart. I love that guy. Yeah, he's he's a good dude. And uh, and uh you know he's seen him and uh you know, and having a conversation with him. I mean, he'd be the best psychiatrist you could ever
ask for. Just a good guy, good human being, and a good soul. So if you've taken an interest to the subject now, or you're like reading books and watching shows and like listen to the podcasts, always say, I'm not a big footer, but uh, you know, I mean
trade but I mean I'd like to get more into it. But I don't want to misrepresent myself too, because you know, my encounter was just by chance, absolutely one hundred percent happens dance chance and uh you know, I mean you could be the guy who studies everything out of the gate and never never come in contact because they're few and far between. I just happened to
run into into that moment. The vast majority of witnesses are just are people just like you, you know, who accidentally saw something they never expected. Um, and there aren't there. You know, I know a little bit about bigfoots. I know a lot about the subject, a little bit about the animals. I don't know if I'm an expert or not, but well you're certainly more expertise than me. I certainly have a passion for the subject.
Yeah, and you'll have been doing y'll have been doing it for a long time too, So I feel like I'm sort of cutting in line, so to speak, cutting in line. I love the way you talked to man. You have some really great things to say, you know, blocked out the moon or the sun. I love your stuff, and you have a way with words, and it's hilarious. I love it. You paint a really good picture. Yeah. Well, I mean hopefully I relieved everything I could say. I mean, if you have any other questions you you're
certainly welcome to reach out. I think you did a great job, man, I mean, it's just fantastic. You got the totally serendipitous events where you do oh man, my keys dropped that you walked up and you found your keys, which is a good thing, of course, and a sasquatch happened to be there. You had this momentary standoff. It was a yet but moment from God. Yeah, I like, holy smokes, right,
I want to give you one and raise you one exactly. I fold and then you folded, and then you turned and ran tailed down the mountain hot back in cars face planet three times, exactly three times in the snow, I came up with snow on my face like some idiot running from the wind with keys until I'm sure the big was laughing at you all the way. It probably probably clapping at your your your performance all the way. It was probably was like, wat's this thing. Let's let's wind him up, Let's
see what you can gotte. Well, that was fantastic. I love the story. You have such a way with words. You're you and you can just I love the way you presented everything. That's just the way it is. Man's the whole attitude of you with the entire evening, like hey, this is it. I don't know, that's it. That's what I saw. Take it or leave it, um, and I'll take it. Man. It was great. It was a wonderful report. Super cool. I've
been taking notes the entire time. I'm adding to this to my my database, so you're gonna be added on to the twelve or fifteen hundred reports I have in my database my Colorado files. A little light to be honest with you, so thank you for helping me with that, and um, you're just a fantastic guest. I don't know how you feel about it. Um, in a way, I care, In a way I don't because I know you're a fantastic guest. I hope you agree with me, and if
you don't, sorry, Um, people are gonna love this episode. You say I have a ways you do? You do well? You know what? I also straight dials, so shoot straight. Well, I appreciate that, you know. I hope we have a chance one day to shake hands. It's some boy. That'd be cool, that'd be great, that'd be great. I've got I've got a couple of jobs in Tennessee. I'm gonna be out there late in the year. Well, i'll be there then I'll show up, all right. So yeah, hopefully next week we'll be back
with Bobo and Pierce. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm sorry Bobo couldn't be here too, but I'm glad I was. You have an amazing story and I think all of our listeners are going to really enjoy this one. So thank you so much for your time. So okay, everybody, big Foot and Beyond land out there, all my Squatch Getier friends, my bfs, my big Foot and Beyond friends, Thank you so much for tuning in this week. We're gonna have another fantastic guest or some
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