CLASSICS: Nick Groff!

I've seen when the trees come down. They don't slide down a hilly that's come down, They just fall and sometimes they come down head first, you know, the top of the root wad in the air, and I think that was just something natural. Then the rest of the landslide got washed away, or maybe they'll have handtraw crews like the CCC guys, like the you know the kids that are like in work camp. They'll have those guys out there and clear stuff out. So I could just

see those guys. It was already partially that way. I'm going, hey, let's just dig around it a little bit and pack it in there, and you know, we clear the restless to be sitting there like that. You know, I could totally see that happening.

And you have these excavators at your disposal. You're gonna build some weird stuff.

But we were competitive swimmers, my sister and I. So it's kind of funny to me, like if you would picture that today, just showing up at the beach or something like that, you know, well, can you imagine.

just shooting around and I'm like, Bobo, film this. And I go into the arcades and I on my third try just through it through this little hole in this net that.

the window. And I was there one time. We were not playing in the yard and the curtain was like moving around, and I was like, I didn't see anything, but they're like, oh, yeah, that's she's watching us. You know, she looks out the window all the time. But the little girl was it was messing with her in the room.

She told her away, leave her alone, and it tore like the grammar was in the room there too, and it tore down the curtains, like rip them down off the wall and through in the middle of the room and then grab her by the neck and squeeze your neck hard and sugar, that's a poulter Geist, right if it does, if it makes physical contact, I.

moves things, throws things, stuff like that. I mean, if that actually really did happen, I mean, did you witness this or was this just what grammar?

causing that. It can be somebody that's grumpy too, you know, like there's a lot of bad people in this world. So a lot of bad people die and that energy lingers behind. So it's the subconscious of that energy possibly lashing out at her. It could be some grumpy old man that's just mad. Maybe not necessarily like how we perceive things where it's like, oh it's a demon or oh it's this polter guy said, you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean typically.

Nick is a very well known paranormal investigator. I mean most people know him from Ghost Adventures, you know, or a Paranormal Lockdown or Ghost Stalkers or one of the TV shows. He has a production company. He's on all sorts of TV shows. He's got a new project Walkers out there. So this episode will mostly be about ghosts and weird stuff. You know, we'll probably touch on the Bigfoot thing because that's what we do. But this is really a beyond of Bigfoot and beyond. And Nick is

no slouch. He's legitimate, he's anti hoaxing. And if I think just the stuff that you were just now saying is really interesting because you said several times more than once, you said, if this is real, if it really did happen. And I love that perspective because our ghosts reel I think. So, I mean, enough weird stuff happens to enough weird like not weird people that we can say it's something is going on. But what that is I don't I personally

don't know. Maybe you certainly have more insight into it than I do, and that's one of the fun things about having you on. So I just want to let kind of a small introduction for the bigfoot centric crowd that we tend to get. That's who we're talking to. Nick is a parent. I don't even know what to call you.

at this thing from. So thank you very much for that.

I grew up. I actually wasn't into spirits, ghosts and all that stuff when I first kind of got interested in the subject matter. I was more heavily into space time UFOs, looking up at the stars and saying, what else is out there beyond just life us, human beings, death, beyond the scope of like what we try to categorize or we tried to put in a box. And I was I'm just such a deep thinker man, and I

love conversations because I don't know everything. Like, let's face the facts, nobody does, right, We're all evolving as human beings, and we're growing, We're creating new technology, we're creating theories, ideas, we're expanding our vocabulary. We're trying to evolve further beyond the scope that we see in the infinity of trillions of stars and life form that we know of. So the idea that I look at things now is totally different than when I looked at stuff ten years ago.

You know, I was that young kid on Ghost Adventures or whatever, running around saying come you get me abandon haunted locations. But my perception has changed dramatically, And I think that's just over time of going through experiences, understanding things, breaking it down in my head, but saying, you know what, I'm not going to be redundant. I'm not going to keep walking in a reported haunted location of running a spare box. What good does that do? For anybody or myself.

I think personally, I'm trying to I'm trying to go beyond physically and mentally, pushing the boundaries of how can we think outside the box to discover new things that we don't we haven't found yet, like a scientist diving to the bottom of the seas that we don't even know what new species are out there and discovering new things, or going into the forest that's uncharted territory discovering new species that we don't even know about, or going beyond

like you know, our planets with spaceships or time travel or whatever the heck it is, through wormholes, drones, stuff like that. I mean, we'd be naive to think that we are it and this is this is all there is.

impact you left as a human being. And I'm like, well that's great. Well that's still believing something happens when you die. So it's like, you know what else is out there and forget that for a second. I think the paranormal scope of things is so weird in this

world that we live in. It so vast that there's a lot of weird phenomena that occurs that we can't even explain that sometimes, like even the own intuition that we get as human beings based on like feelings of loved ones or knowing predicting something's going to happen before it happens, or just feeling connected with somebody that you absolutely love and you don't know why you feel that way, but then you talk to that person, You're like, I was just having this, Oh, now I get why I

was feeling this way. Just weird, Even the simplest things like that or you guys going into the woods and seeing some weird creature is something that doesn't look of norm and then saying, wait, what was that that didn't look like a deer and an animal whatever. You know, we start describing and then we base it off of you know, everyone else's experiences to generations, and you start

categorizing things because we have to. We have to feel safe and we have to feel like we know what we're experiencing and we know what this is, you know. So I think I think that ultimately it's more of a topic now, and I think I really believe just being in all subjects from UFO all the way up, I think that everything is crossing over now from one to the other. I don't think that there's a cryptid

UFO in ghosts or whatever paranormal in that sense. I think it's just all one thing, meaning it's all something that we can't fully understand yet as human beings, you knowfication theory.

those subjects all the time. Do you think that there's another toolbox out there that might be able to be applied towards these other topics that would get us further.

But that's judging you, which I think is unfair because I wasn't there. I didn't know what you went through. But I'm listening to you because I have to as a human being, and that's the right thing to do. So I think ultimately experiences with people, it just comes down to that. I think some thing's my conclusion at this point of my life, being forty years old, been through a lot of crazy stuff. I ultimately think right now, and it could change ten years from now when I'm fifty.

It's just like I'm looking at life as a journey. We're all on our separate journeys through life. We have to experience everything that comes with the journey. We can't predict the future, but we can pave our own way in the quest of our journey. And we're all ultimately here for a purpose, right We're here to do something, whatever that is. It Ripple affects the universe in a

weird way. So I think that the information we're gathering on our journey is subconsciously implanted in the most powerful thing in the world, the brain. So when the body dies, we produce energy. Energy is a real thing. Energy can't be destroyed when you get into the science of it, kinetic energy when we move and so on. But the consciousness is really what's fascinating in the brain. Where is the consciousness and the energy that's attached to these bones,

the skin, flesh and blood that obviously that dies. This is a capsule we're living in. But where's the energy go, where's the consciousness go? Where's that lingered? Does it move on, does it transcend? Does it multiply into something? And I don't know. It's like such a weird, weird thing when you start thinking about because there's so many different theories,

so many different ideas. When you talk into like people that had end experiences, near death experiences, and they died and they talk about seeing their uncle or their mother coming from you know, thousands of miles away on an airplane and what they're wearing and what's going on, and then they're floating through the air and then they're brought back in their body tell their amazing story about like life after death. You know, I've talked to multiple people

like that. So I think that technology science we're getting closer to discovering new things. But that's like anything discovering how a computer works, discovering how to make a massive computer looks smaller, and then all of a sudden it's in the palm of your hand as a phone. Discovering how we can make things faster. Technology evolve, people evolve, the brain evolve. You know, how do we make ourselves look younger? How do we It's everything, it's you know,

it's endless. It's just a matter of how we approach things and how badly we want something to be as is. It's just the research. I think there's probably a lot of stuff that we don't know about that has been going you know, like Area fifty one's and stuff like that, you know, all over the world that have all these experiments, all these like things that they're working on that we just don't know about yet, you know, like the ghost particle.

I mean it's a massive facility I think down in Florida or Italy or somewhere, and they found the ghost particle with all those cameras set up, and for years they were document until they saw this little small speck of a particle captured on their cameras that they have set up in this massive facility. So I don't know, it's just weird. You know, it's a weird world we live in. I think everybody has been fascinated since the

time the time that we've been born or whatever. Everyone thinks about once in their life what happens when we die? Or what is the purpose of life? Or what am I doing with my life? You know, stuff like that. So it's an endless conversation.

my head. I talk to people like John Tenny or people that are like scientists when they get into physics and quantum physics and you know, all this craziness.

some abandoned building, we start hearing creeks and craziness. Obviously it's an old building, and we could probably like rule out I'd say eighty five percent of what's happening there to be natural or some cause of something environmental issue.

But I mean, I've slept in so many haunted locations all over the world, you know, for very for five years straight, and then I've been to one hundreds thousands of locations that are reported to be the most horrific and scary and people being scratched and thrown and stuff being thrown. It's just like I've been to so many I think I've gotten to the point where I've seen

a lot of weird stuff. I've once saw somebody that shouldn't have been there in the room with me at this old hospital, Lindavsa Hospital in two thousand and nine. I turned around, I saw a woman standing there, solid figure, wearing a hospital gown. Everything our eyes connected. I obviously freaked out and jumped back because I thought it was a homeless person that broke into the location. So it took me off guard. I think over time, you start

thinking a little bit deeper. When you really get into this stuff, you just it's a lot of talk about life death. You start seeing people pass away around you that are family members, loved ones, you start thinking about it. I think a little bit deeper, and all humans, I believe want hope. You know, when you get into religion, you get into the subject matter of like, whatever your ideas are or your beliefs, it doesn't really matter across the whole entire board. It's just a matter of like

that hope. I hope there's something else. I hope there's something greater. I hope. You know, you just you want that hope In a sense, and it's been like that for I mean, since people have been on this planet.

it's probably not real, you know. But if you can go back to any depth of time and find stories about these same things, you know, lights in the sky or spirits haunting you, or hairy people in the woods, then I think the longer and further you go back and it's still there, the more real this sort of thing is. And that's why I give a lot of credence to ghosts and UFOs and lake monsters and hairy people, you know, because all of those things go back as far back as history itself.

just wanted to tell the story. But it youre canclusion to make up what you believe is real or not right based on your own personal experience when they realize it or exactly, Yeah, you subconsciously do that. Yeah, I totally agree. And and you know, talking about your when you're talking about ghost Cliff, if you think about it in this way, right, we're ghosts is a real thing, even though like people might say, no, ghosts don't exist.

I don't believe ghosts, But think about this, think about the realism behind what a ghost defined as we are all ghosts. And the reason why we're all ghosts is because every second that we're speaking right now, we're all passing away, we're all dying. Think about it, like we're already, we're already you know, a couple of seconds in time right now from a couple of seconds ago when I just said it. So we're all passing away slowly. It's just a matter of like what you envision it be.

So we're pretty much ghosts in a sense, or fading, you know, we're fading. Yeah, And it's just the concept of like what you believe happens when we die, what

you believe happens outside that we can't perceive. And if you look at like a lot of new scientists, there's I've read an article that came out about some scientists that are graphing out the brain waves and actually are graphing out thirteen different dimensions within the subconscious that we create during the day of dimensions, So like when you go to daydream when you're driving in your car, you're waking up and you see the reality you were in.

Now you see the two D world. But if you think, oh, this is happening, you start creating this alter world that's happening in your brain. That's one dimension. Supposedly we create thirteen dimensions, and they're actually able to graph out what your brain is mapping out in each one of those dimensions, which is kind of trippy. It's like, are we have a matrix? You know, I don't know man, it's like this world is so weird, weird that we live in, and I'm just I'm always thinking of, you know, what

else is there? I don't know. I think that's the way to push the boundaries, to think a little bit deeper and just keep keep evolving, because I don't think there's one right way than another.

worldly problems. But I think that the purpose of life is to go through the experience, collect the information your brain and try to be a better person, and you know, ripple effect the world for a greater idea that we're supposed to be here. And then when you pass on, man, whatever happens next, take that with you, whatever that vision is, you know.

is Bobby Mackie's Music World. And while they're Kentucky, amazing location. I love, you know, the owner of Bobby Mackie, he's a great friend of mine, Matt Coates, their security guard. I've known them for over a decade and I've been going there since, you know, I was pretty much a young, young kid, and over time I realized that the environment is changing there. The sense of whatever the energy form that is there that I thought, you know, over a

decade ago, was like a ghost. Then I thought it was something evil, Then I thought it was somebody that died there, and then now I think it's actually in the sense of a thought form entity basically what you're talking about, Cliff. So I know there's a lot of factual some death that occurred there outside of the place and inside, and some mystery behind who actually died there, and then there's a ton of legends attached to it

that we set the facts straight. But over time I noticed that thousands of people have been coming there based on watching like TV shows and seeing what has happened there, and they're projecting their own intent into the environment, saying there's something evil here, there's something evil, Oh, scratch me, hurt me. Over time, you know what that does, It changes the environment, It changes and transforms energy from people

into something else. So I believe that what happened there, just based on investigating it recently last year for earth Walker, that a thought form entity has morphed into its own, its own intelligent form and now has evolved into something else, Meaning it's collectively gathering all this energy from thousands of people and mirror imaging the intent back of what's it's

picked up on. So I think there was something there on that ground before that foundation was put in, and then over time it's just turned into this like weird energy thing that just lingers there and you know, five folds whoever brings their intent in and pushes it back onto that person as like a mirror image of whatever they're putting out.

demons and all that stuff. My wife's in the horror, so I kind of think about these things when ghosts come up, you know, like, do you think that it's the intent that's put into it or do you think that there might be something there beforehand that might indicate whether it's benevolent or malevolent.

I mean? So it's like self afflicting, and there's a lot of psychology behind it too. It's like what state of mind you're in, who you are as a person, you know, mental health, you know, there's a lot of psychology behind it. Man, you could break somebody down so so much into that sense, just like anything else. But I do believe that good people in this world die

and bad people in this world die. So if we go to a prison together and we go into a jail cell and there was an inmate of Joe Schmoe who was a murderer and he was kept in this prison and he murdered somebody in this prison then he died in this prison cell, you're going to feel that energy energy lingers. And that's a real thing. I think, the subconscious lingers. I think the energy lingers. So I think it's like you pick up on that sense, and you pick up on like, oh, I don't I don't

feel right in the shale cell. I mean, Bobo, you could probably say that and maybe Cliff and I are fine. I don't know. Yeah, it always feels like and it doesn't. Yeah, I mean, you just don't know. I think it's it's you know, it's a double sided coin.

And these human bodies. So we need time because we need to know when to go to sleep, when they go to work, when to take the kids to lunch, whatever it is. And it's funny when you go into a location like I did on Death Walker, and I'm sitting there in a solitary can in the bottom dungeon of a prison that's been sitting there for like eighteen eighteen whatever it is dates back to and then prior to that, it was Native American land and a lot

of bloodshed. They said at this one location, Brushy Mountain Prison and Tennessee, that there was blood that would fill the whole entire ground from how many people died and what happened there and so on and so forth. It's pretty wild. And also you get into the idea of like DNA that's attached to the blood and how like even if you're miles away, the DNA can affect you, know, like you can still pick up on those emotions that you're feeling. The blood can. There's a whole science behind

all that stuff. But I mean, the whole notion of time man is interesting. So I'm in solitary confinement and I have this audio device that I'm communicating with somebody. I have no clue who, but it's intelligently responding directly back to us in real time. So I'm asking questions

and with this device I was created. I built this device called the GeoPort, and I'm getting responses coming through it, you know, And I'm asking about the prisoner, and I'm asking about who's here and what do you need and you know, water, and it starts giving me really good details. And I ask if he's a ghost? Did you die here? And he's like, no, you're a ghost. So he basically whoever's talking to me is saying I'm a ghost, and

I'm saying he's a ghost. And what I started to realize is just based off of, like, you know, evidence

on my personal experience, what I was hearing. What happens if I'm communicating with somebody from whatever time period that that person is living right now, right I'm in my reality asking these questions in an abandoned solitary confinement, you know, historical prison, and somebody is there when it's in operation, that's put in solitary confinement, and there you got to think that these people lost their minds, like they lose their sense of time, they lose their sense of and

they're put in darkness, food, lack of food, water. You start to inhabit like all these other senses, your sense of hearing, your sense of like emotions, you know, everything starts to play more to the forefront. You adapt to that. And I start to think, what happens if I'm communicating with somebody who's living right now in that time period.

And mind you, I'm just a big for guy. I don't know much about paranormal stuff or whatever, but a lot of the stuff you're talking about seems to be centered around well, not death necessarily, not in the sort of morbid sort of way, you know, but like the continuity I suppose, so the continuation of consciousness in some sort of way before and after this arbitrary line called death.

But there's still something going on. If I remember right, I picked up somewhere along the line that you yourself had a near death experience.

it and I reached out to a branch. Branch broke and under me was a cyclone fence ripped open my whole entire left arm and I hit the ground, didn't realize what happened, and I just remember getting up, not feeling my body and seeing my mom and just said Mom, I love you. And I passed out, blocked out. And what I saw next was I opened my eyes and there was all these faces hovered around me looking down at me. And what was strange is I don't know.

It was just so weird where they were just looking at me and just like very bright, you know, like behind them it could have been like bright lights if I was inside and all these faces are looking at me. Then the next thing I know it I'm I'm in the ambulance and then I black out, and then I'm in the hospital. I see my sister crying on my dad and I look over and they're like, I just feel my arm being tugged on and stuff, and they're

repairing my whole arm. I had like a hundred stitches and doctor said half an inch on my artery and I was bleeding out. If my mom didn't think quickly when she saw me, he said, I would have been dead right there. But her quick thinking, she like ripped off her shirt, tied my army. You know that mom instinct comes in She like, I was a big kid.

I was a swimmer. So she picked me up and she claims that she brought me inside and they're scrambling to call nine one one, you know, the ambulance and stuff. And when they brought me inside, she says, there was only like two of them. There was no one huddling around me looking down. You know, it wasn't a big crowd or anything like that. It was just like two people trying to hurry up and you know, save my life and stuff. So I always think back on that

years later. I didn't make anything of it. You know, I was that crazy kid that I was like, you know, was doesn't kill me, makes me stronger. So you know, like after that experience my arm heels, they got me back into swimming, which was probably the best thing in my life because it helped heal and make my arm stronger. But like a little bit later, I you know, a year later or something. Two years later, I built like

a rope swing in my woods. Knocked myself out. I knocked I fell and hit my head on a rock and had to get three stitches, and you know, stupid stuff, skateboarding off my my house, shed in the back when my grandmother's it's just like you know, wild wilding out kids in the eighties or whatever, nineties, And but years later, I never made anything of that experience until I started thinking back on certain stuff because a little bit after that, you know, my mom would tell me stuff like she

would catch me in my room talking to she really believed at one point I was talking to somebody in my room and I guess she would say she would come and she like cracked the door and she'd see me staring at the ceiling in the corner talking to like angels and stuff. Yeah, and I was never really like Catholic or whatever. I was raised Catholic, but I didn't I went to church by.

home early from from school. My mom came home a little bit after that, and I walked into the house and I go upstairs, and I go into the kitchen. I see the shadow figure like this man just completely all darked out shadow, just standing right there in where the sliding glass door would be to the backyard, and he was just standing there inside. And it scared me so bad. I ran outside to the basement door into

my neighbor's yard. And then my mom came home like a minute later, you know, and you know, I was freaking out telling her, and I didn't know if it was a burglar or if it really happened or didn't happen. It was just surreal, and it's just experiences like that after I had my accident, you know that I thought of years later when I started doing ghost ventures and

stuff like that, and then paranormal Lockdown. I started getting older and thinking a little bit heavier on it, and I asked my mom, like she started telling me things like that, like you would talk to yourself in the room, this would happen, you had that happen, and it's just like it all kind of came back to me, and I started to realize maybe there maybe that did trigger something, maybe I did crossover. Maybe it opened me up skating on thin ice, you know, a little bit closer to

the other side. I don't know, but I started to run into people that had NDE experiences near experiences, and they started telling me, like just weird stories about them crossing over and what they saw.

They're just everything they do can be more or less explained by biology, you know, so they're not really that exciting at the end of the day. But there's this whole cadre of people, you know, this whole population in those in the bigfoot community that insist that bigfoots talk to them in their brain, you know, like telepathically and and and I know several of these people, and you know, I've got nothing against them. I don't think they're right, but I don't think it's but I also don't think

they're lying, is the thing. So I kind of started looking for explanations. And one of the things I came across was this near death experience sort of deal and and you know, talking to entities on the other side and all this sort of stuff, and and and and what that led me to is the Strassman studies in the nineties about d m T. Have you ever gone down that rabbit hole?

the heck they are. They're working on some mechanical thing, like they're building, they're doing something, but you always run into them when you're when you're tripping on d MT. But the interesting part about dm T it's a chemical in your brain.

One of the reasons he stopped his experiments was because a significant percentage, like something like thirty seven or thirty nine percent of his subjects described having conversations with non human and intelligences that they were completely confident were not themselves, like they weren't talking to the the back of their brain.

And then so many people who have near death experiences or so many so called Bigfoot contact ees, have similar experiences and come back with the same messages that I'm kind of convinced at this point that there's a veil between you know, what we experience as reality and what other entities might experience his reality, and those other entities are more than happy to conform with whatever your expectations are of them, whether their ghosts, whether their ancestors, whether

they're bigfoots living in the woods outside their house or whatever. Oh that doesn't scare you, Okay, sure that's what I am. Let's continue our conversation now.

that has a sun just like our sun. So you got to say the possibilities of no life form beyond us? And I'm talking about some like crazy older universes way far more like ancient than our universe. So what else is beyond that? Because you know, then you get into the idea of everything that has a beginning has to have an end, right like maybe because when we look into space it seems like infinity, But where's the end?

Is there an end? Is this just the beginning? Or do we have to go through this life to evolve into some higher intellectual power like some do we have to go through it until we get it right? As some energy form I don't know, man, Like, all I know is I'm just trying to live a good life and trying to do what's right because I think I really don't know what's next, and all I want to do is like evolve humanity for something greater rather than being the same old ordinary, you know life.

I know what people are talking about. It's the time it told me that I've told everyone who listened to this podcast with any regularity has heard me tell a story one hundred times. But when I had that one come behind me in gral and I went to turn around take its picture, and I just got this loud voice in my head saying, if you turn around and take my picture, I'm going to f and kill you and no one's ever going to find your body.

you hear stuff like that. It's interesting though, I mean it's really just in the way they're mapping the brain and how much I've been falling out a little bit, and all the imaging, like the advanced imaging and tying together, like the different sectors of the brains and what Nick was talking about before, like the different dimensions the brain can can produce or has or it's all it's all tripping.

up in the future. And maybe there is some sort of evil of like the continuation of all this technology revolving around human beings adapting to whatever happens in the future too. I mean, I think that's a huge possibility. Yeah, I mean I think anything's possible. Man, It's just such a weird world we live in that we can't say one thing is is the exact you know. So, I mean, if you just look at technology in general, it's it's

come so far. Look at virtual reality, look at stuff that movies were made of, you know, like total recall and stuff like that. Look at what we're getting into now. I would imagine then the future to come will have bluetooth chips and planted into our brain so we can holographically see stuff or escape or go on these like virtual trips or you know, like a total recall type phase. And I think we're going to keep evolving, and I think our bodies and everything else is going to adapt.

And you know, we're always trying to create this nutrition or whatever you want to call it to like stay young and you know, get bigger muscles or whatever the heck people are doing these days. You know, it's just such a weird idea because we always want to have this hierarchy of like power, feeling good about ourselves or being stronger, healthier or smarter or whatever the heck the

case is. But then you know, you brought up a lot of cool things too that you were talking about if you even talk about, like, you know, going back to the paranormal for a second, the visual spectrum, right, we only see so far in the spectrum on the visual scale when you actually look at a visual scale, if you've ever gone to like the eye doctor and he shows you, like here's where you see in the spectrum of like everything that's out there, like ulter violet

rays and whatnot, Like we're only seeing a certain percent. It's very small. It's like, what is it two percent four percent of the actual spectrum. You know, dogs see a little bit farther than we see obviously in that spectrum, but then so on and so forth. It's like, can you imagine what else is in the realm of what we're living and how we perceive things? What else is

around us? We don't see the oxygen we're breathing, right, We don't see the billions of neutrinos that pass through our body every second, Like all the neutrinos and stuff passing through us, Like, we don't see that stuff.

Maybe like we're just an experiment, like these ants on the ground that we want to step on.

it's crazy and oar. I don't know, it's just a crazy world right now that people are losing their minds. But I think it's a lot of obviously reasons behind it. But the universe has a weird way of playing things out. If you look at the history of time, there's always these epidemics, you know, every one hundred years or whatever, there's this crazy outburst of something.

I think that's the one thing that actually, through my whole entire career, has scared me. Something that can overtake, something of a negative energy, negative entity, that can overtake your own body and your own psyche like, I think that scares me a little bit. You know. I used to laugh at like movies like the Exorcists when I was a kid. I used to love them, like I'm a horror fanatic. I used to love all the horror

movies and I rented all the Exiorcist movies. But then, like a little bit later in my life, I had like this weird moment where I felt like this negative energy moved through me. I kind of blacked out for a second, and I don't know what happened, but I heard was the voice in my head saying kill him, kill him, kill him, and it obviously it wasn't me, and I shook it off and then I felt so

drained after. But I'm like, man if something can overtake or try to overpower your own you know, your will or your body or your your brain or whatever when you're vulnerable, Like exorcisms, I think hit a little bit deeper with me because I've studied a little bit on it.

Like what was that one extorcism Emily Rose, Like the real story of that, hearing the tape recordings of the priest when he's there with the girl and hearing her voice change, and you know, her dying in the process of him, you know, trying to exercise that whatever was overtaking her or whatever was happening with that, and him being in jail for it. I don't know, man, it's a scary thought. I know there's been thousands of cases worldwide.

I've talked to some pretty credible people that have experienced and seen it firsthand, and I've talked to some people that I think are full of shit, to be honest with you. So it's like, I think a lot of people do stuff for five minutes of fame and TV or whatever, and I think there's some real serious stuff that the one two percent of humanity has experienced something far more sinister than we can comprehend, that possibly when somebody's in a vulnerable state, maybe there's something that can

overtake you know, that willpower. But I've never personally experienced the exorcism been there, But I've talked to some good people that have What.

super vulnerable. There's not a lot that scares me, because you have to come to terms with yourself. What are you going to do?

a weird feeling when you're isolated, your vulnerable. It doesn't take a lot that scares me. I slept in a morgue the whole night. That was weird, like yeah, yea. And the drawer is in an old historical It was new Sham Park Hospital in England, really like massive castle looking place, creepy, and they would they had their own embombing in a crematory building right next to the big building. It was like an orphanage and just creepy history. So I slept in one of the morgue slabs by myself

in the building. It was just so weird, man, it was so uncomfortable, and during disgusting, I swear I felt like like life it was disintegrating off me after every single location, Like my skin was just like falling off my body. But I think the one thing that scares me that I've come to terms with is negative energy. Negative energy that can overtake your own willpower or psyche or body mind, body spirit, you and know all that stuff. I think that kind of makes me nervous when you

start feeling it at locations. You know, when you're vulnerable, like going to sleep and you're so tired that you can't function anymore. And if something kind of gets into your brain or into your like subconscious or whatever, and like suddenly you're not yourself anymore, like you're feeling like that dark cloud or just bad, you know. I think that's a little scary.

you about that weird stuff. So thank you so much for coming on.

actually weirder than you can think. And it's fun to have people on to talk about just whatever comes up. So thank you very much for participating in Bigfoot and Beyond.