Lyrics & Love Lessons With Maisie Peters

Snap production. One of my best friends is actually an Australian artist called Greta Ray. She had sent me a text, which she reminded me of a few days ago. She sent me a text saying, God, I think he might be the worst guy in the history of man or something like that. And I

For some reason that phrase really stuck in my head. So I went to write this song and created history of man. Because it's like this is the history of man, but then you get to that line and you're like, and that's the history of woman. Like a news headline but it is what the girls are talking about and I am here with Maisie Peters. Hi everybody! G'day, good day thank you so much for being here. I am

Such a fan. And I'm not just saying that like I am such a fan. Thank you so much. I okay. I'm gonna you're gonna see how my how true I am to that word throughout this entire you're gonna be like You're a fan. Yeah. Okay, I can't wait. I can't wait. So First off, we should uh give a little bit of insight. So you are playing in Australia. When this episode comes out, you would have already played in Sydney. Amazing.

And I would have been there and I'm so excited. Amazing. Uh what show are you coming to? The Monday night. Monday night. Iconic. Iconic. But I am loving your new album, Florescence, so far. Well done. It's only you've only got a few songs out. My favorite right now is U U. Okay, taste. Ta thank you. I mean I would say that about anything you said. Yeah, anyone I'd be like, taste. But we also we must talk about the teaser to your album. Yes. So

Maisie is dressed as a daisy, running down the street, very similar to the Angus songs in the perfect snogging scene. And then lo and behold, Georgia from Angus Thongs and a Perfect Smugging in a Stuffed Olive is in the scene. She reprised her role. It was truly the most iconic day of my life. I still have iconic a lot already in this episode, but it really was

It it was a feat. How does that even come about? So The short version is, uh, we wanted to make this trailer and I wanted to do something that felt like an ode to uh sort of romantic comedies and something that felt very British and very full of of girlhood, I think.

So the initial idea I had was to recreate the scene from Notting Hill and they're walking down the street and all the seasons change. And then I started working with Amelia de Moldenberg on it and she directed it and I sort of said that I did to her and she was like, I love the concept. But maybe instead of that which is

A bit complicated. We recreate the olive scene from Angus Tongs and immediately I went, your mind, Galaxy Brain, no notes, flawless perfect. Let's go. That was literally my next thing because I was like if you could find a way to just like stay on that trajectory of of iconic, you then work with Chicken Shop Date, Amelia.

That is I know. I mean the icons just stacked on top of each other. The universe you'll be able to do. It was like icon genga, I know. It was it I mean the Angus song set of me, Amelia and Georgia Grim, which is her real life name. was one of legends. And the way that every every woman on that set, aged twenty five and above, the way that George Grimm walking onto that set was it it honestly, it was it was

an a seismic occurrence. It was a moment of magnitude. Like we were all shaking and so nervous. We're like, oh my gosh, she's about to turn up. And she was so nice. Like she was so nice to earth, so sweet. She got back in that olive costume. She bought her baby. She bought her mum. They were also icons.

And it really felt like a day of British royalty. It was also pouring it down with rain, which felt so right. So right. No, I qu like hangersongs in the perfect snogging. I think I quote the line like Boys don't like girls for prettiness. Boys don't like girls for funniness. Funniness. Funniness. And though also, we then were like making all these TikToks on set,'cause as I said, I'm a TikTok girl. And so I was getting Georgia to

recreate all these scenes with me. So at one point I literally was sat side by side with her and we were going, I wrote a song about you. Yeah? It's called Bitch in Uniform and I was like, Ah My Life. Like my life. Also But boys don't like girls for funniness. Sorry, Georgia. So good. So good. So good. Um, I remember when I was younger someone watched that movie then was like, You're so much like Georgia and I was like

I actually think that's the biggest compliment. Yeah. I mean, now I would hundred percent agree. Also, do you remember the bit in the film where she uh They tanse her legs and they go orange and then she sticks them up in the pool.

The way that that's I need to tease my next album with that. That's gonna be the next one. Cause I wish I could have recreated that one too. It's so funny you say that, because that's the scene that people used to laugh at with me because I have like chronic eczema, and every time I put fake tan on, my skin would go insane. But I just insist. to wear it every single time. Um but no, also working with Amelia and then you had Benny Drama.

Indeed. Benito Skinner in in the music video. In the Myra Guards music video. Again, another day of legends. And also crazy how we filmed that that trailer and then that music video within three days of each other. Really. So it was really a High impact few days in the Maze of Peters metaverse. Yeah, we filmed that mus music video a few days later, and that was in this.

crazy mansion in on the edge of London and Benny played my uh sexy heart throb that I was bodyguarding and he was so funny and I mean he is literally Uh he's like one of the funniest people I've ever met. He's such an amazing comedian. He's such an amazing actor and he was a joy to have on set. He was so lovely to every single person. Extras. Camera crew. Cinematographer styling, so sweet, so lovely to everybody, so funny, so just down to hang and and down to cause it was kind of a funny day.

He was crawling along the floor, he was running through the grass and he was just so down and he was amazing to work with. I would like I can't speak higher of him and of Amelia. She's was a phenomenal director. Wow. I mean I that's so nice to hear when there's people that you had these like parasocial relationships and then you're like, I hope they're what I think they are. Yeah, no, can confirm to all the girls out there. Uh but he's just gonna love a my life. Adorable. And I mean

Uh something I I feel like I have to admit of the the top of this. So I've been following your music since I was nineteen was the first time I was well, okay, so On when I was 19 I did a gap year in the UK.

And there was a big group of Like all adventurous women do. All adventurous women do. Like every Australian ever wants to do is move to London, apparently. Oh, don't you worry, I'm aware. But then all every uh English girl wants to do is move to Australia. So we do have a bit of an exchange programme going. We do.

And I went over there. I lived in Oxford for a year and worked in a primary school. And there was like a group of maybe like thirty of us that all came from different countries that ca went and did this year overseas. And we just had the most insane year where we were all like Growing up and traveling together and working together and like dating each other and it was just the most like perfect nineteen crash out year. Perfect.

Like um romcom, that's like a It should be. Wow, I could I can see that. It honestly should be. And the song that we played on Repeat, and shout out to my friend Jess for introducing me to you and this song was The Place We Were Made.

Oh, that's a sweet. It was such a like I don't know, like I mean that was my first song I ever released. So you've really been been here since day one. Since day one. And like that was you've released that independently, right? Yeah, that was my first release. It was independent.

I think I was seventeen when it came out. I remember it coming out and I was still at school. I was still at six form. So I was in my school assembly. Was that insane? Yeah, I remember calling my manager from my Spanish classroom. And we were talking about what song to release next, and I released a song called Worst of You pretty soon after Place We Made and Don't worry, I'm familiar with it. And she's and she's uh locked into the classic.

But I released that song and I remember calling him from my Spanish class being like, I guess we just maybe release Worst of You, like, I don't know. And it's so funny to think about it now. But yeah, that was. I was seventeen, maybe, when that song came out and it really started everything off for me. And I still am like very fond of that song. So that's so cool. I know, I love it. It was like such a moment in that year, and then we found all your other songs and then

I remember a few years later you released you signed up for this. Yes. And you've kind of like released albums as I'm going through breakups, which is why Sorry about that. No. Thank you. I have to apologize, but also It's good to have the sacred text. It's incredible to have the sacred text. Um, but I I also want to talk about as well at the top before I get into more of the music. But you were Ed Sheeran's protege. Like that's

So I met Ed in twenty twenty, right at the beginning, right before COVID. And we obviously I mean, I knew who Echiran was. Uh sorry, Echiran. Um I knew who he was. And obviously I'd listen to his music my whole life. I remember I really remember when Don't came out and there was an advert for it with the Beats headphones.

on sometimes I say this to people, what it's like the Mandela effect, like people have no idea what I'm talking about. I th I'm pretty sure it to him and he doesn't know what I'm talking about. And I'm like, no, it was iconic. It was like you some beats headphones and you were saying don't

And it was a YouTube advert. And I remember that coming out and me being shaken to my core. And I mean every album of his every release. I was singing Lego House in my school talent show. It was one of the first songs I learned on guitar. Well, he's a it's lyrical genius.

I mean, I'm not sure. And like I just love lyrics and I'll I'll get to that as well. And we'll get that. Um but yeah, so obviously I've he's a hero of mine and we were working with similar people. I just signed to Atlantic, which was uh i is his record label too.

And so yeah, we had sort of we were in the same circles a little bit and he heard my stuff and was into it and invited me up to his place and we wrote some songs together, we hung out, it was such a good time. I was there for a couple of days and um At the end of it, he asked if I wanted to sort of hop across from Atlantic to his specific label, which is Gingerbread Brown Records, which is a subsidiary of Atlantic. And it was kind of a no brainer, so I did that twenty

Twenty, twenty twenty one and and I've been there ever since it's our third album. My third album on the label. I love him. I mean, I I do feel like I uh do really run a one-woman Ed Sharan promotional campaign. Like I love to be speaky on him and people always ask me, obviously, but then I'm so happy to oblige because I love him and like genuinely. He is the most kind and generous and talented and like down to earth.

Good. person and I feel like the world needs to know that and I do need to reiterate which I do which is why I go on podcasts and I tell people and yeah. We're gonna keep we're gonna keep this going because I know you would get asked this all the time, but I can't not. I have to then ask about the eras to ask. Yeah, there it is. There it is. And there it is. I know. I like And again, I feel like it's my civic duty.

As as a Swifty, as a Sherio, it's my civic duty. I've you know I've I've gone through the golden gates. I now must spread the word. I must spread the good words. No, it's like the just to be part of such a pop culture moment, that's like I remember I remember I went to the tour and I was like, this is seismic. Like, this is insane. But also, you did Wembley Stadium.

I know, and I'm gonna took my own horn here, but I have actually done Wembley Cadium, I think, seven times. Oh my god. Dude, I think five Ed shows at Wembley. I think he played it five times. And then I've done a capital um what's it called? The summertime ball. And I've also then I did the Earest Tour. So I did

I've done seven. I'm a season pro at one body stadium. Um I was like, I think I was just really excited. I I mean, yeah, what you say about the Euroswell being a cultural moment, it really was and I'm just so proud and so honored to have got to be like a tiny part of that. I actually, the obviously the documentary came out and a couple of people messaged me being like,

Maisie, your drum kit, like the skin of your drum kit is a tiny part you can see like behind her when she's rehearsing that it says like Maisie Peter's kinda blurry on the drum skin behind her. And I know it's like kinda silly, but getting to be a teeny tiny part of something that was so massive and so important to people and the Erasour was just such a feat of

Statesmanship and of touring and of live music and of fan community as well. I feel like it's like you know, it the way that it it was for and and served the fans was just so beautiful and To get to play like a teeny tiny part of that was so magical. Yeah, but also just what a lineup. Like it's so well deserved of who was opening for that show. Like it was such like, okay, here's the next gen coming through. So cute. Yeah. I mean, I would I would love to.

Yeah, no, I think I think that was definitely the across the board everyone was like, Okay, cool, they're the pigs. Like But and before we move on to what I'm gonna base the episode about, but I also have to shout out Stick Season would be one of my favorite songs and the fact you performed that and like was with Noah Khan as well. Yes. Crazy. I know, I know. It's another crazy thing that happened to me that yeah. I

And I will again toot my own horn. That's that's a that's the episode. But I literally have a text conversation with Noah'cause I've Noah and I've been friends for years and I loved his f um all of his his first two albums. He has some called Godlie on his second that I loved and

I mean, yeah, I've been a fan for years and years and we've known each other. And when he teased Stick Season, when he put out the first clip on TikTok, and I'm talking like the first, first one, I remember listening to it and I texted him and I have the text thread being like, Hey, like that song you tease on TikTok is so good. I loved it. And I actually wrote

A second verse for it. And I texted him in it and I was like, Hey, I loved that song you put on TikTok. I thought it was so good. Super random, but I was really inspired and for some reason like I wrote a second verse for it. Like, don't know why, it just really came to me. No stress, obviously, like you don't have to use it, but I just wanted to send it to you. And then he was like,

Amazing, thank you so much. That's so epic. Like it's actually part of this like folk album I'm making. I'll send it to you when it's done. Uh ha ha, kind of crazy. And then he sent me the album before it came out. And I was in Sweden making Good Witch and I remember he sent it to me and I was walking around Stockholm by myself and I listened to the album and again I'm I'm I'm not just saying this. I l I listened to it and I and I tested him and I was like this

is so incredible. This is the best thing I've heard in years and it's going to be massive. And then it obviously was massive. And I then got to go on the tour with him and we got to sing it together. And it was just such a cool moment. And I was uh so affirming and wonderful watching what's happened to him happen to him because he's so deserving and he is so talented and the one of the best writers and and

Performers I know. I'm dying to hear what your second verse was. Well I put it on the internet because then there was that trend going round of everyone writing second verses. I've seen it. So then yeah. Which is so crazy. And like goes to show You know, there was something about sexism that really inspired that. Like people were so inspired by his writing and his creativity.

It sort of created this like little mini trend. So then I ended up putting it out. Oh my gosh. I can't I'm gonna go watch that straight after this. Um but okay, now we've established, I feel like I just had to lay out like the groundwork. She's been busy. She's been very busy. Um but

What I wanted to do here, because as I was saying, like when I was listening to some of your songs over the years, it was always Came it like opportune times in my life, but there's such clear what feels like lessons and takeaways from every song. And so this isn't really a normal format for for small talk, but I came up with this concept of doing like

Lyrics and Love Lessons with Maisie Peters. I love that. And what I'd like again, it's not really repeatable format because I'd have to Yeah, it would be challenging. A have someone who's like music I know so well, B have it be so like poetic and then C had them sitting across from me. So so that I can do this. But I wanna go through some of my favorite songs, some of the lyrics.

and then kind of talk afterwards about what you think the takeaway in that was and where you sort of were in your life when you wrote that. Yeah. Okay. So the one

I feel like I have to start with'cause it was just a and it was funny, when I first started writing this, I was like going back to like worst of you days and I was like, We don't have long enough in this episode. I'm gonna have to start with the good witch. I'm gonna go. Yeah, you're like I I can't go far far back. I'm gonna go far far back. But

The history of man. Wow. That took off on TikTok as well. Like everyone, I the amount of videos I saw, you know when people do they're like Yeah, I've seen it, I've seen it, I've seen it, I've seen it. One of those. On it. I love it. And okay, I'm gonna read it out. I've seen it in the poems in the sands. I've pleaded with the powers and their plans. I tried to rewrite it, but I can't. It's the history of man. She stays up, he's sleeping like a lamb. She begs him, he doesn't understand.

She loves him more than anybody ever has in the history of man. He stole her youth and promised heaven. Then men start wars, yet Troy hates Helen. Women's hearts are lethal weapons. Did you hold mine and feel threatened? Hear my lyrics, taste my venom. You are still my great obsession.

It's good to hear that back. It's it's so funny hearing your lyrics said out loud. I know you're like, Whoa, I was crazy. No, it's so this kind of feels like, you know, when you're in English class and you are going through the text and then you're like, What did the author mean? And then I can just like look up and ask you. This is your moment. I loved that song. Talk me through that a little bit. I actually wrote that song really quickly.

I was kind of hungover with my friend Joe. And it's funny because it's such a sort of thematically. uh dense song and it's it's so Full of allegory and metaphor and history. And you would think that I would have, you know, really gone into it really intentionally, thinking, okay, this is what I want to write, but it really I I really didn't. It's it just sort of came from somewhere in my brain. I actually the funny story is that the sort of root, root inspiration of it was

Uh, one of my best friends is an actually an Australian artist called Greta Ray. I love Greta Ray, who we love. And we'd been texting, and she had sent me a text, which she reminded me of a few days ago. She sent me a text saying, God. I think he might be the worst guy in the history of man or something like that. And I talk about um like a some somebody in our life. And for some reason that phrase really stuck in my head. So I went to write this song and

created history of man. But yeah, the song is about sort of the great Uh pain and And power and disappointment of womanhood in a sort of in a broad sense. But I love those lyrics. I actually really love in that song. She begs him, he says he doesn't understand that like There is no greater well, th there's there's few greater pains than when you're in that situation and you're

Desperate for something and you're begging for something that the other person just doesn't really know how to give you. And it's a theme that I think I sing about as well on Fluorescence, uh in in the last song on the album, which people haven't heard yet, but It's something that I feel like is a theme in my writing. And I and I love how it's said in History Man. I think I'm I'm really proud of that lyric. It's so like when I remember when I first heard it, I was like, this is so

Like again, there's such a beat to it. It's so fun to sing along to, but also you're like, wow, it's that idea that. It's almost like in the ancient text. It's it's inevitable. No, it's pre it's pre written. Our mothers, our grandmothers, we've all gone through it like it's

It's like our personal heartbreak is only like part of this. Yeah, I love and that's sort of the the theme of the feeling of it. And also the the power of of being a woman and it was also the heartbreak of that and the power of the way that we feel and experience emotion and I and I loved the That was you know, it's a g it's a great uh

It's a great pain, but it's also a great privilege. And I yeah, that's that's sort of what the song is about, really. Cause it's almost like the inevitability inevitability of it is also weirdly comforting. It's like it's not personal. Like this is just literally how it's been forever. Um, but I also really loved the Troy line because Like historically

Helen is framed as the one that caused the Trojan roar. I'm I'm like a history nerd. I love this stuff. Oh my god, okay, amazing. And like even though men made the decisions and launched the ships and fought the war, like it was Helen's fault. And That also'cause it's like you put so much into a relationship and then It's ultimately you're blamed for it anyway.

Yeah, a hundred percent. I yeah, that obviously y you're a history nut, so you know it. And sort of part of that story is it's sort of told is like the face that launched a thousand ships and her her husband had to go after her and and as a result, you know. Bath of Troy, but in actual fact she was she was taken, she was she was kidnapped and it was n they she never had any autonomy in that decision and then then was held up as this figurehead for yeah, wars and death and destruction, which was

if you you know, d your tr depends on your interpretation, but was never her fault and she had no choice in so yeah, I I really liked that that line. Honestly, sometimes I think about that song. I'm so proud of that song and I'm like Where did that come from? Like I need to be accessing that again, but It was i I was given down to me from the spirit. Like spirit above.

I have one more line from that that I loved so much. It was the ending when you say, And you're still my great obsession and I was like'cause it's like this is the history of man, but then you get to that line, you're like, and that's the history of woman like Yeah.

I saw actually this morning I I'm a big Florence and the Machine fan and I saw an interview she did and she was saying, If I once had a crush on you, I'll always have a crush on you and you'll go on my shelf of longing. And I literally thought to myself Oh my God, shelf of longing, like need to be doing something with that. And it's and I do think, yeah, for There is something in and definitely it's a songwriter and someone that that makes music.

It's it's hard to ever truly leave that behind. And that's a lot what fluorescence is about, to be honest. There's a lot of that feeling of And you're you're not still in love with somebody, it's and you and you wouldn't want to go back there, nor would you want to be with them again but there is a tie and a th and a threat between you and I think definitely someone who makes music and and writes about

love and life and emotion, like it's really hard to ever sever that tie completely. No. Like when you have these lyric ideas, do you does it all come out in one go or do you just like keep an ever like an ever growing list of of things like that Florence and machine? moment that you're like, Oh, I'm gonna come back to that. Yeah, I I do have a little notes up on my phone of ideas, but to be honest, lots of them sort of come in the moment when I am writing the song. Yeah.

Always wondered. Yes. Okay. The other song that I think is so relatable is Body Better. Body Better. Body Better. Yes. Okay. Lyrics. If it was nothing I did and nothing I said, and I know I gave you all of myself one hundred percent and now I'm watching you moving on in the beat of a drum, so if I never gave you any reason to run, then I can't help thinking that she's got a better body. Has she got a better body than mine?

Yeah, it was a dark time. It was a dark time in my life. But I just think like For me I always say a breakup comes in two parts. It's like the initial breakup and then there's when they decide like whoever decides to move on first. And that like idea of them with someone else is like so Yeah, that's re that I I should probably talk about that. Um yeah, totally.

I just um I also think with that as well, it's like you want everyone to move on and be happy, but you're also like, oh my god, is that them going on to be better for someone else? And that's like Such a stab. Which is such a stab, but it's also life and

I wrote that song. I actually I've sort of been doing a lot of interviews obviously about fluorescence and it's been really interesting. It's given me really cool perspective on in in speaking so much about my music, it you kind of learn things about yourself. I think something I really learn In hindsight, looking back at The Good Witch, is that that is an album about being unable to accept

what has happened to you. So it in that the album's about a breakup. And the whole record to me, when looking at it, is like that is an album about what the f the way you feel when you are furious at the circumstances that life has given you and you do not accept it. And I that's really how I look at that album, you know, I'm like really reeling from a situation and I'm

And I'm s so I was sort of I was heartbroken and I but I was very Yeah, sort of unwilling to accept it. That's sort of the way I would describe it. And I think Body Better, that lyric, those lyrics you just read out really speak to that. I think it's a real Anger and a real refusal to to accept and to th and and I think what's cool is that Fluorescence, to me, is an album about sort of the total opposite. It's about really

coming to peace with the life that the way that life has turned out. And at least in, you know, I'm twenty five, it the way it's turned out right now. It's coming to peace with that and it's and it's actually having the this tiny bit of wisdom or, you know, the tiny bit of enough of years to be like, Oh, you know what? That was for the best. And I can look back and I can see that that was not meant to be and that was not meant to be. And

Yeah, I think but the that song Body Better and The Good Witch is about the total opposite, which I love. No, I love that. And yeah, I feel like it's just such a universal theme of like I guess the way we process things after a breakup and like try and make sense of things in our heads the best we can.

Another one that I really love because I think there's so much interesting discussion of the back of it is You're just a boy and I'm kinda the man. I love that song. Such a fun title. It's so like tongue in cheek but also scathing. No, it's I actually love that song. Unfortunately it's not on our set list right now, but I'm hoping to bring it back one day. I do love that song.

Okay, the lyrics are, I'm on a one way trip to take over the world. You could have come, but your head's in the sand. What's a girl gonna do when she's in love with you? But you're just a boy and I'm kinda the man. I mean again, like where the the genius that I felt that day. Literally, that's so good. I mean, I think this also just speaks to this problem that so many girls face. Um

Or at least this is what I got from the song in a way, which is like they kind of eventually also resent, um, like success in a way. Like it's such this battle when I've spoken to so many women that like sometimes that makes dating such a different experience.

Yeah, you're gonna love the song Kingmaker on my new album. That's really gonna speak to you. If you like You're just born a kind of the man and you're into that subject area and you're into that tone, wait for Kingmaker, is what I'll say. I'm so excited for that. Yeah, no, I just like I I'm like, does it feel Okay, sorry, this is just a question this is not in my notes, but I just have to

When you write these songs though, they're like such a poetical poetic slam dunk, right? Mm-hmm. Oh my god, love. Do do the people that inspire these songs d do do they listen? Do you know? You know what? I I have no idea. Um I've not ever had a response to the song. I've been asked this a couple of times recently, and I'm like, I've never had a response. I wonder I mean.

I assume some of them know. I guess and to be fair, not all songs, I think this is a misconception, not all songs are a hundred percent black and white about just one person, at least to me. Lots of my songs are inspired by a specific moment or maybe a specific person, but they end up

their whole uh you know, a whole universe of song. There's and there's parts of truth and and there's parts of fiction. Or there's parts of one person and there's parts of another. Or it stems from truth, but it then it becomes about my truth and how I saw it, which is not necessarily either their truth or the truth of the whole situation. So there is definitely real nuance that and I guess only I will ever really know. But you're just a blind and kind of the man

did stem from like a very real place at the time. And I needed to write it. You know, I I wrote it probably not at a similar time to to Body Better. And I think that it yeah, it's sort of the other side of the coin. It's you can feel so devastated, but then you can also really channel that devastation and into a real sense of power. And I love You're Just a Boy. And I think, yeah, I love I love the lyrics. I'm on a one way trip to take over the world. You could have come.

Your head's in the s that your head's in the sand. Or and there's also you could have come, yeah, I held out my hand. Like so heartbreaking, but also Such a wonderful song to sing, where to sort of acknowledge like I wanted it to be you and I and I and if it and if you'd have taken your head out of the sand, if you'd have taken my hand, it would have been. But like at the end of the day

you ha you've decided no and and and I'm gonna run with that, you know? And like that's that's part of that song I love. Uh what do you think is like when you were writing that, what did you hope the like takeaway was from that for girls listening?

Oh, I mean, I I can't say that I when I'm writing a song, I can't I ever know how I want people to to feel after it. And in the moment, I'm really just writing it for me. Yeah. But I I I don't know, I hope that people listen and can really feel the hope in it and

And the and the power and it's it's the song where you know, what's a what's a girl gonna do when she's in love with you? But you're just a boy and I'm kinda the man. It's still very much rooted in wanting something you can't have. Yeah. But it's looking at it through a little bit more of a hopeful lens and

And y I say goodbye from your biggest fan. Goodbye from the bigger man. Goodbye. From your girl old. Yeah, and they're It's good you're here. I'm like, what do I say? Yeah, goodbye from your biggest fan. Goodbye from the bigger man. I'm on all my trip to Take Over the World. I thought you did, but you don't understand. Like, I yeah, I hope that people are hearing in that that sometimes, you know what it is? It's you don't have to be over something to.

To keep going. I think it's like people talk in such black and white terms. And sometimes you're not over something. Sometimes you're not moved on. Sometimes you still, there's a song on that album called Want You Back, where I say, I know all of this. But truthfully I still want you back or something like that. And I think Yeah, you can you can live in that halfway house. No one is perfect. You don't have to be a hundred percent healed, a hundred percent moved on. You can

You can live in between both. You can s be honest with yourself and say, Yeah, I still miss that person. I I wish it was different. But there's strength and power in acm acknowledging that and then also being like, but my life goes on and I I'm a successful and interesting and independent person and I can be both.

Do you know what song I think really encapsulated that for me? And I would say is my favorite song on that album was Wendy. Mmm. Yeah. Wendy, there was there's this line in it where you say Then you're evasive on the phone till you're sorry on the floor. So I'm throwing you a bone'cause you want me and you're sure. But if I'm not careful, I'll wake up and we'll be married and I'll still flinch at the sound of a door.

Oh, amazing. What the fuck? So funny, you like reading these out to me and I'm like, yeah, what the fuck? Why did I make that? I remember when I listened to that, I was like on a walk and I was like, Sorry. Pardon? Come again. It's so, it's so good because I feel like it's about that. Like a realization that you know, staying with them or like getting married or whatever it is doesn't actually fix Instability. Like it doesn't Yeah. Yeah. In a way. Or um

Also just that whole like Peter Pan syndrome, which is rife at the moment. And there's a song on this new album called Houses, which very much feels like a sequel to Wendy, and I think really feels like The next the next part of the story, but so well, I played it to a fan and and the fan went, This feels like Wendy, if Wendy was like, actually

Get out of my house. And I thought that that feels important. So I'm excited for everyone to your houses. Oh, I'm so excited for that. And you kinda get to that at the end of the song where you're just like, What about Wendy? Yeah. What about my wings? What about Wendy? A hundred percent. No, I love that song.

to a really fun one that I uh I think this like is kind of a theme across a few of your songs as well, but it's um like Bat Shit Crazy. B S C V S C It's kind of in the psycho realm and everything for me. It is, yeah, it continues my my crazy vibe. It there is like it's a it's a running tell me about like

that psycho trope that you trop. So actually I was I asked about this the other day and and I sort of um again realizing things oh through interviews, I think that there is a trope that runs through my music of Feeling crazy. Being called crazy, feeling crazy. It's actually more about feeling crazy. And I think that that comes from When you are

In a in some form of a relationship with someone doesn't even have to be romantic, but in some form of a relationship with somebody, and you are made to feel like what you thought was reality was not reality. And that does make you feel crazy because it's impossible to compute that what you thought was real, somebody else denied or says was not because it's so ins insanely confusing. And I think that was a a theme or or a constant in my life at at a point and

Yeah. And and to be honest, like you can look back and be like, well, you know, w what feels real is not necessarily what is real. And that's and that's part of human life. So I yeah, it's it's com complicated but BSC psycho all about sort of that grey area of of reality and and kind of coming to terms with it, I guess. And and BSC is obviously really

Actually, about the sort of the funny thing is that song is so crazy, and I say I'm actually bloody motherfucking batshit crazy. But the song is actually about. pretending that you're not. And that song is like my It's sort of like my lift you peep behind the curtain, then you see that I'm telling you I'm crazy. But really the song is about having to hold that all back and pretend you're not. And I say, You think I'm all right, but I'm actually well if I'm like that's crazy and and sort of

Yeah, and keeping it in and and keeping up appearances and that song is such a fun release of being like, You know what? No, actually I'm insane about this. And I'm just gonna say that I am, because I am, and and you and I'm not telling you this and I and I have enough pride to keep it to myself.

Here we go, I'm crazy. And what? I love that. It's like entirely that because like I remember even in parts of the songs, you're like, pour the gin and call Graham Norton like I'm gonna tell your mom and it's like I could do all of this and I'm not going to Yeah, I'm not going to call Graham Norton and and cuss you out on live TV but

Yeah, that I love that verse. But God, it's fun. It could be. It could be it could be. It feels like a a little sister of like I did something bad, that Taylor Swift song. That would be if BSC actually did the thing she threatens, we'd get into I did something bad. No, I completely agree. Okay, to jump to the new album. U U. Yeah. Um, which I loved. So the lyrics were So I can't go back and I can't go home and I can't move forward.

I'm the s I'm the scene of the crime and the bore of the bar and a memory hoarder. It was black and white, but I see it in colour, the grey in your goodbye, the way you stained my summer. I eat about you, so I weigh less than when we met. I sleep about you. Rum about you two having sex. I can't like stop paining you. Yeah, your name lives in my chest, my lips around you. You're my constant cigarette. Mm-hmm.

Girl. Girl. Girl. So you know what's interesting is in talking about Goodwitch and then getting to U, which was the first song we dropped from Fluorescence, that song really feels like and it and I wrote it about a time in my life, that sort of a the Goodwitch time in my life. I wrote it about a a a past heartbreak and looking back at that, sort of having the perspective I I have now.

The UUU is is about sort of how consuming it feels. And that's something I think I could have only really written about A known host experiencing it. I think when you're in the thick of it, you can't see how uh blinded you are by it. And so I yeah, I wrote you you sort of looking backwards, but That song that when that first line is I actually think

Uh uh that could go up for one of my top five most heartbreaking lyrics. That line where I go, I can't go back, and I can't go home and I can't move forward. I r like if when I think about my worst heartbreaks and I think about that li, that feels so true of What I just remember so desperately wanting to travel back in time and I have a song Two Weeks Ago which is about that and So desperately wanting to be back where I was, but you can't.

And you can't go home because home d isn't the same anymore. Home is the past. Home is somebody that isn't Well, it's like that like haunted house feeling as well. And you and you can't move forward. You don't and there's this like sick feeling of not even wanting to move forward. You don't want to move past it. You don't wanna forget, you don't wanna move on. And that lyric to me.

Yeah, I just think it's so sad and and it really encapsulates a heartbreak. And th I mean the whole song does that I eat about you so I weigh less than when we met and I dream about you, I sleep about you, dream of you two having sex, I think. Yeah, everyone has felt like that. Everyone has

Has had that happen to them. I think. I hope. I think so. Yeah, no. If you haven't gone through heartbreak, this episode is a lot. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what you're doing with this. You're like, no, I've never felt like that. You've You crazy woman. No, I I really think so much of this is universal. And look, okay, the last one I wanna end on because I know I have to let you go, painstakingly. But uh wanna ask you about every song you've ever made. No, literally. Okay.

My regards. Yes. This is such a fun song, but also so It's in the crazy realm, but it's also so hope core. Like it's It is hope court. Fluorescence is a hope court album and we need to be speaking on that. Hope core album, Girl Gone Reckless, This Love's Got Me Possessive. Like if you lay a hand on him, we're both getting arrested.

Excuse me, sorry, his kisses make me cocky. Call me Kevin Costner the way I'm caught. Yeah, crazy. Absolutely crazy. Right on fire, but also in a crazy way. I love it. Is this like This is just like you found the good guy and you are not letting that go. Absolutely. Is that the vibe of the I mean, definitely of my regards, that song is so fun. And I I when I wrote that song, I mean, it f it's definitely it felt like me stepping into sort of a a character version of myself.

But I just am so obsessed with getting to finally write songs, like love songs where you feel confident in the love. It's like There are love songs I've written and and but they're sort of rooted in like anxiety and in fear, and I love that this song is so confident and so and and and the confidence means that I'm able to really be a lot more light hearted with it. And I think that was interesting when I wrote Fluorescence, I I knew there were gonna be love songs on the album, obviously, but

I guess I was surpr I surprise myself when I look back and when I look at the songs on the album at how much those love songs are s actually really fun and lighthearted. They're not super serious. I found it quite difficult to write a very serious love song, I think, because that's not at least at this stage of my life, it's it's not how that love made me feel. Like I wanted to write something that felt light and joyful and fun and sexy and that

how sort of that love manifested on this album in a lot in a lot of ways. And I do it is obviously hardcore. It is, but I also I love when you're in a good, like, love a girl era because you're not anxious, which is why you like feel like you can have fun with things again. You're like, yeah, actually Yeah, actually I will say these crazy things. Actually hilarious. I love that. My final question to you. Is there is there a lyric or a song that you're like

This one's this one's my favorite, or like this is the underrated one. My god. Good question. I mean So I'll give you two. I'll give you one from the new album and and one thing. From previous. So from previous records, I'm gonna say God, what you know what I love lyrically? I'm like running through all the songs in my head. Um To be honest, I could have said you're just a boy, but we've gone on the stat. So I'm gonna say,

From Goodwitch. Oh, from Goodwitch, I love the song Yoko on the deluxe. You must have misunderstood the Beatles. You misunderstood the Beatles. I love you have a phone you should have called, um at the end of that middle eight. Love, loved it when I wrote it. So cathartic to saying.

Story of my life. So I'm gonna say Yoko, you have a phone you had a phone you should have called. From the new album There is a song called uh Girl Just Flying, Girls Just Flying, and it's the 13th song on the album, and I'm very proud of it. I think it might even be lyrically one of my favourite songs I've ever written. Because I love what it says. I and sometimes you love a lyric because you love the poetry of it and you love the way you turn the phrase, but with girls just flying.

I love the statement I made, I love what the song says and I hope what it's gonna mean to people and I love that it's my song and I get to sing it forever. That's actually that's incredible. That's so cool. But I'm excited for you to hear it. I'm ex- and then I'll I'll message you and say and then you need to code this. I know I need to think what you're gonna I think from the new album, what did you say your favorite? What's your favorite from Goodwill?

My f okay, in a soul crushing way. Wendy. Oh, and you said you love you. And I love you, you're a Okay, cool. Okay, then you're gonna love Flat Earth. That's my bet. And when you when the album comes out, message me and tell me but I think Flat Earth's gonna be your favorite. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming on. It was a pleasure. I love I'm honestly, it means so much doing conversations like this where you can hear how much.

people have like paid attention and l and listened and invested is actually So amazing. And I was thinking about that when you asked me about Goodwitch and all those sort of really beautiful questions. I thought it's so amazing that I've made an album that people have this relationship to. So thank you so much. Thank you for making it. Wow, my pleasure. You didn't actually. It was not my pleasure at the time, but it's my pleasure in