Big Red Rage - Thomas Hopes Intensity And Effort Pay Off

State Farm? Talk to an agent today at eight hundred State Farm and buy Arizona Cardinals podcasts, Visit Acy Cardinals dot com, Slash podcasts, The Rods Rising Guard, temperaturizing vision, flurring, rage taking over. Here's Paul Calvci. I'm ready. I'm one hundred percent ready. I'm telling you I'm ready, and wrong will flee. It doesn't get any better than that. Unleash the far Well. I hate to say it, I hate to take a shot right off the top, but HBO

and Hard Knocks they done messed up. I reckon. They need to show up for the start of the season, not the end. Why do you say that, Polly Wolf? If you're looking for an Emmy Award winning reality TV and Sports is the original reality TV? How many storylines are dripping with drama as the Cardinals head into training camp two twenty two. I mean, look, the first half of the season is telling the second half of the season.

Hold my beer at this point and I did, Yes, I say it now clearly, and HBO and our Knox. I'm just telling you these guys messed up. They should have started a couple of weeks ago, or at least recently. When when Hollywood Brown went into his garage and found a rattlesnake. I mean, there's your welcome to Arizona moment for Hollywood Brown. Mister rattlesnake in your garage. Now, what do you do? Polly, myself and a teammates once attacked a rattlesnake in the backyard of our neighbor. We chopped

its head off. Don't tell Peter Jeez, I might go Polly Peter right now. And based on that grizzly account, thank you will for improving the show with that story. Pretty very agitated Paul. See now, well, if you're a real tough guy, there was a video a few years ago of Jeremy Roenick, former Kayatie superstar, actually grabbed the rattlesnake by the nape of the neck from behind and showed the head and a lie rattlesnake right to the

camera and he tweeted it out. So yeah, next time, I wasn't ready for that, Polly, I'm just going to admit it. You're talking about two Northeastern boys that went and attacked that rattler. Yeah. Well, and remember Hollywood stands for his hometown of Hollywood, Florida, So this is all new to Marquise Hollywood Brown. The Big Red Rage. Third round rookie outside linebacker Cameron Thomas will be our guest. Do we have questions with the third round rookie to

the Cardinals have an ead for edge rusher? Yes, and yes that is coming straight ahead. But Wolf, you documented it all week long. You're sitting there doing four hours a day, and you know, for example, the first day a mandatory mini caamp, the Arizona Cardinals made Pro Football Talk three separate stories made for three screaming headlines. Number one,

Kyler Murray showed up a camp. Number two Rodney Hudson did not show up at mandatory mini camp, and number three the guy who's getting repse at center now justin pew almost miscamp in this season entirely after seriously contemplating retirement. So there was a lot going on this week, you know, Polly, I think the big news to me was all about the offensive line. It really was just the fact that Rodney Hudson is not and was not at mandatory mini camp.

That to me was shocking that that really was. Now listen the OTAs, of course they're voluntary. That's one thing right there, especially when you're talking about a guy who totally has command of the offense the way that Rodney Hudson does, that is disconcerting to me. The fact that he didn't show up for mandatory minicamp, and Cliff Kingsbury said, of course he was unexcused Justin Pew moving over to center.

I totally could see Justin Pew being that guy. I just never thought he would consider retirement and did consider retirement last year. Got down to two hundred and sixty five pounds. Bai. Yeah, let's take that in order, because you're absolutely right, Wolf, and that's a good recollection because here is Cliff Kingsbury little Q and A with the media because he was conspicuous by his absence. Marcus Gold, for example, had missed the entirety of the all season.

But number forty four was there, number sixty one was not. Yeah, no update, we're working through something with him. As soon as we know, we'll have that update. Not excused, I can't all right now. And he was asking again towards the end of the press conference and um, well, nothing further in terms of details as to what's going on other than Cliff Kingsbury saying that we're working through something. So he should have gone all Nick Saban on that, Polly,

don't ask me about a guy, you know. He should have gone Nick Saban right there. Yeah, I'm not going to be the Alabama head coach, right, so don't ask I mean, look, I'll just speculate real quick. Okay, he's got a decade in the league. Plus I'm sure he's financially said in a lot of ways. Kelvin Beecham did offer up to the media that he's a new dad, so maybe he's thinking in terms of family first instead

of football. Maybe could it also have something to do with his cap number going from two point nine last year to twelve point six this year, and maybe there's been an effort to let's just say, realign that cap number, and if they not been able to come to an agreement, I don't know. Do you have a gut feeling, Wolf, what could be going on here? I really don't, Polly. It is something I never considered. I did not even hear a whisper that there was anything wrong with Rodney

HUDs in this offseason. I don't know, Paul. You and I have both talked about it privately and publicly, of course, and I didn't hear a whisper, and I know you didn't as well. So it was shocking. It truly was. I know this much. I'm not gonna put it in the positive category. This is gonna go in the negative category. Well, and here's Justin pu As you mentioned, he met the media, but he also went on the Dave Pash podcast. This is gonna be a MUSC listen next week when it's released.

But our Jim one hundred given us a little preview here. All right, We're gonna wet our beacle a little bit here with Justin Peu talking about potentially playing center for good because he's been taking reps there this offseason. I've never played center before in my career, but I've seen guys play center, lat to their careers. Center mentally is just so much tougher, and in our offense, the center makes a lot of the calls. That's why we've prioritized

that position every offseason. We clearly value that position. So for me, it's like, if I'm gonna keep teaching pay cuts a guard, maybe I should move to center and see if I can do that. But I'll do whatever's best for the team. I've played guard, playing guards like riding a bike for him, and you can put me out there, and I know what I gotta do. So to get some reps at center and see how that shakes out. It's interesting, it's fun. It makes you break a mental sweat, and I learn a little bit more.

I know, made me better if I want to be a broadcaster, because you gotta learn coverages and do all those things. At the very least, it's gonna help my broadcasting career. That's a little joke from Justin pu as a great sense of humor. I think about that Wolf. I mean, he's a highly intelligent guy both football and beyond. He's got a decade in the league himself, and if he's saying that center is such a mental challenge, then for example, like a Lucida Smith coming in as a rookie,

no chance I ever played center before that. That no way you can risk that. So I'm guessing if it's not Rodney Hudson, it's justin pure Sean Harlowe as it stands right now. Yeah, it was kind of like looking at Zaven Collins last year and saying that Zaven Collins was gonna come and he was gonna call the defense from the mic linebacker. Not realistic, Not realistic at all, PAULI right there, listen, justin pu He's got the mentals, as they say, he's got the mentality, and he's got

the intellect to actually play the center position. He also has the feet to play the center position. Here's the one thing that I do wonder about, though, the mechanics of snapping the ball and making your block, snapping the ball and taking the step simultaneously. It's something you've got to be able to do, and you've got to be able to do it well, and you've got to be able to do it accurately. And I just don't know, man, a guy who doesn't have a ton of experience at

center trying to actually learn it. This late in his career. I mean, theoretically, Cardinals could open training camp in the first team session and we're watching and you know, fans will be allowed again this year, and we're all watching. There's the first team offensive line and left or right it's Dj Humphrey's Will Hernandez a left guard, Justin Pewitt center. You have Justin Murray at right guard, and then Kelvin Beecham at right tackle. I mean that's the way it

stands right now, until we get further answers. Any answers on the status or Hodney Hudson. Yeah, no, Um, you're right, man, But the offensive line, it's it's I'm not giving up on Rodney Hudson right now. Yeah, I am not. I'm not ready he emotionally, Paul, you know what, to sit there and say they're not they're gonna go to trade again, They're not gonna be any Rodney Hudson. I'm not emotionally ready to do that, Paul. And we've talked about this as well, and that is a Rodney Hudson is a baller.

That dude is a grinder. Grinder. He was in there right after Cliff Kingsbury a lot last year just watching film. If you gave if you gave Rodney Hudson an option to not meet the media, do you think he would meet the media. I'd say no, he has no interest. He's all about football. So hopefully that boats well and then working something out, whatever it might be. Yeah, And that's exactly why, though, Paulie, I'm putting it in the

negative column. That's why I'm putting it in because everything you just said about Rodney Hudson, that's what I know of Rodney Hudson by reputation. I was talking to Max Starks about it today. He said the exact same thing. By reputation, Roddy Hudson is a pros pro, you know it. Just I don't know what the issue is. I don't know what the problem is. The fact that it's unexcused though, tells me that it's not something personal and that's a

good thing. Ultimate. Okay. Yeah, and look, you know, new dad maybe he wanted to spend more time with the newborn at home and he said, you know what, as a super vet, forget all this offseason stuff. We didn't even have it most of the last two years, you know what. Either way, justin Pugh is an option, and it is, you know. And he said, if I'm not playing center, I'm back at left guard. And then everyone looks at Justin Pure and they'll go, oh, man, do

you weigh enough to play NFL offensive line? Period? And Dave Pash asked him about that. What weight did you play at last year? Like two eighty five to eighty and now we played the Rams. The first time we played the Rams, I was two hundred and seventy eight pounds in that Rams game. So everyone's telling me I'm too skinny right now, and I'm like, I'm four pounds off of the whitest I played at last year, and put my film on. If you think it's a problem,

put my film on. And the Cardinals obviously watched the film in there, still paying me, so something. I gotta get the weight back up. But in our offense, we go so fast, and the way I play it lends itself. I'm a very aggressive player. Now he is supposed to setting back and kind of just being like a garbage can, and that's on the past, and he said, actually he likes his body composition more now versus last year. He

got down to two sixty five. He's rebuilding his body and his weight back up, and he likes the way he's doing it. He's really taking care and making sure he does it the right way. Yeah, you know what, I'm going to rip him off a garbage can with arms, PAULI. And by the way, you know he he's about as

realistic as it gets about the business of the NFL. Yeah, he told the media, Hey, until they can bring in someone to replace me, a left guard who's better than me as a left guard, they have to continue to pay me. He's just he's just great at bottom lining everything and I'm telling you it's gonna be a great list. In episode thirty two of The Day Pash Podcast featuring Cardinals old lineman Justin Pugh, it premieres next week. To catch up on all the episodes, follow The Day Fashion

Podcast your preferred podcast provider. Get the latest updates via Twitter at pash pod. And by the way, Dave had did have the best rip job of the week, and it was at Wolf's expense. I think the line was, you know, we only feature the biggest names in the Pash Pod. That's why we haven't had Wolf as a guest yet. So that was pretty funny. Paul. That might cost Dave during the preseason when you guys go big time and go TV got that right? Funny funny like

how funny like clown? So all right, let's talk to the third round rookie who was a second team All American, a guy who wore number ninety nine in college for reason? Did Cameron Thomas finally meet J. J. Watt? And what was that like? And Kenny really play outside linebacker because the dude had his hand in the dirt quite a bit in college. Cameron Thomas is next. This is the Big Red Rage presented by satan Ford and Gilbert. We are Satan Ford. The Arizona Cardinals select Cameron Thomas Devins

evan San Diego State camp. He's super athletic. And what you loved about Cam is you loved his interview, You love the intensity, but and you love the way he played the game. And also with Cam is he showed some ability to put his hand in the ground and play some of the five play some of the outside backer stuff due to his athleticism. So we really loved

his motor, his temperament. VPA player personnel Quinn Harris on The Big Red Rage presented by Santanford in Gilbert and you know what, We're gonna go one better than a scatter report. How about the real deal. How about Cameron Thomas himself joining us on this edition. Cameron, how you doing? I mean, think about it. You have your OTAs, you have your mini camp. Okay, so just compare and contrast. What has it been like compared to maybe some of your expectations going in Um, you know, I think I

think let's right up to those expectations. You know, I knew coming in here. I don't have to come in here and work and have fun doing it. And I think it's it's been just that, um, you know, getting to kind of know some of these guys and UM, yeah, it's honestly, everything's been great and I've really been enjoying it.

When you hear Quentin Harris go through some of the tangibles with the things that they noticed on film, like your intensity, your motor your effort, you sort of nodded, right, I mean you take pride in being known for that, don't you. Yeah, No, that's definitely. UM. When I think about me and myself as a person and a player, UM, it's all starts with effort um, you know, whether that's

on the field off the field. But I really try to pride myself with my effort um in this relentlessness, you know, So I when I go out there every single play, I want to be just absolutely relentless. How often when you're watching film and you make a play or you get in on a tackle or a sack or a pressure or a quarterback hit, how much of it is a direct byproduct of effort, Meaning if you would have given up on the play, you never would

have made a play. You know, I think a majority of my college plays that I made were just because that effort. You're long, you know sometimes when you're running from the backside plays away from you. You know, majority of people who think that's just um, you know, there's there's you know, there's ten other defenders and outside of the ball. But for me, it was really like, that's an opportunity and that ball carre is not down on the ground yet that's a that you know, that's a

that's a point in the statute right there. And um, so yeah, is this kind of uh just kind of bring the most out of myself with my effort and um, yeah, is that feasible. I mean, is that really doable down by down because we've heard for decades, especially defensive lineman, well they'll take a play off here there. I mean, can you really keep a consistent motor like that? I believe you can. You know, that's just kind of where all the work in the off season and um, just

being true to yourself where it comes into play. Um. You know, that's not something I just kind of woke up one day and did. That's something that has just been earned every single day, day and day out, just adding up to those moments something they come, you know, they could be reality. You know, we were talking to GM Steve come and we're on board here with Cameron Thomas, Cardinal's third round rookie out of San Diego State rusher.

And we'll get to the position in a minute. But Steve Kine talked after the draft about how you lived behind the line of scrimmage and when you look at your quarterback pressures, when you look at your tackles for loss. I think you were top five in the NC Double A in both categories. What's the key there, what's the key to getting that sort of penetration when you're on the defensive front again, I'll say it again. It starts with effort, and then another part of it, you know,

is just being u well disciplined and well coached. You know, I was very blessed to have a you know, a very good coach and Brady Hook at Standing of State and just really believed in embought in everything he said. And you know, that's the same kind of type of mentality I'm trying to have on them here and they just you know, I just I really believe it pays off. And just yeah, going back to the who I am as a player, true or false? At one point you

were a nose tackle at San Diego State. That is true, a two hundred and forty five pound nose tackle. You know you don't y see him very often, but uh yeah, no, I really love that you did. I did. I really enjoyed it. So at two forty five you're getting the double team at the point of a tack, getting the elbow team, getting the reach bump block, I mean, getting

at all. I loved it. So okay, So all right, So it makes sense the two hundred forty five pound nose tackle because at first classible he wait a minute, they're taking a nose tackle once upon a time, and now they're gonna make them an edge rusher slash outside linebacker. So I guess we understand. What position do you think is your best position? You know, I love the edge. I really do consider myself just a line player. I mean really, I, like I said, I'd have so much

experience inside. All that toughness that I had gained inside, it translates outside just as well. And you know that speed from the outside that I get when I go inside, that's also like creating mismatches. You know, you don't go to two hundred forty five pound nose tackle and expect him to do the same thing as that three hundred pound or you're gonna expect him to get out the ball faster. You can expect him use just quickness and

just kind of create mismatches throughout the line. And um, that's kind of what I kind of my philosophy of things was. But you know, I really am enjoying myself

out in the edge right now and loving everything. Coach bowl and just yeah, Charlie Bowling in recently a Cardinals outside linebackers coach, and I shared with him, I said, you know what, There are a couple of times were going out, all right, we're checking out the rookies, the OTAs and so forth, and you're looking at your roster and you're like, okay, Cameron Thomas, number ninety seven, And I walk over to the d line group and I'm like, wait a minute, he's oh, well, yeah, he's out over

with the outside linebackers. Has it been a little different for you to be training and repping with the outside linebackers versus, you know, guys with their hands in the dirt um. You know, it definitely was a little bit of a transitional period, maybe a day or two, but yeah, you know, my whole collegian career, I was handing the dirt guy. And you know, when I first got here outside linebacker, I'm standing up every play. I still have

not put my hand in the dirt yet. So yeah, you know, there's a little bit of a transition, But you know, I think it's been great. I really liked the m standing up. I really like the vision you get through it, and I also feel like I really get a good jump off the ball with it. So I think it's been It's been fantastic sport and as a guy who grew up watching JJ water at least a lot in college. That's when his calling cards, right, he'll move up and down at defensive front ninety nine.

Don't be virtually anywhere, correct, absolutely, And so what was that moment? Like Isaiah Simmons talked about how he grew up watching JJ Watt. Even Cliff Kingsbury this week joked he said, you know, I still don't talk to JJ Watt, mean he's intimidated by him a little bit. Tell us about the moment that you actually met the guy whose career you followed so closely and whose number you wore at San Diego State. Tell us about that moment, because it has happened, right, Yeah, No, it has um Yes.

I remember we were coming in. It was it was still all the rookies getting together. It was the beginning of rookie mining camp and I was walking in. And the reason, you know he's earned his reputation is just from the way he works. You know, we get there as rookies around fifty in the morning and he's already in there. You know, he's already he's getting out of the cold tubs when we're getting in there, and just shows why he is why he is. And um I

got in there. It was going to the training room and he was just doing some normal stretching like that, and I didn't want to distract him or anything. I just came in there give him. I just introduced my self to him real quick, and it was quick and short, but it was really cool. Do you find yourself when you have a down moment, you get some gatorade, you're looking around the field, where's ninety nine? Do you find your eyes kind of going his way? It's not very

hard to find him, you know. Um no, yeah, what about when you watched his film? What do you think you learned over the years watching his game? Uh? You know, I learned actually a lot from his game. And one thing I loved about his game that really translated with me is, you know, him being able to play up and down the line of scrimmage and just dominating anywhere you're gonna line him up, pieces is going to dominate.

And I believe it really starts with obviously he's worth O think skill and all that, but it's his mentality, you know that that mentality that I'm going to beat you no matter where I line up, And um, yeah, I learned a lot from him, you know, whether it was on the edge and you know, kind of flashing hands, dipping around the edge, or inside you know, uh, you know, taking a couple of steps up on the guard, getting the guard to fan out on him, and then countering

making the inside move and just yeah, I've learned a lot from him. Hey, Cameron Thomas our guest here on the Big Red Rage third round picks. So like Sanders as well, have you guys bought it? Just the fact you play the same position you were taking in the same round. Yeah, absolutely, It's been great working with maj Why would you describe his game because I know you guys are quite different in a lot of ways. Yeah, way you approach the game and just your skill sets,

body types. But it tell us a little bit about what you've seen out of him. Yeah, be able to work with moj is great. Especially one thing I do like as how they kind of drafted different a little bit different players. You know, he's a very speed player. I mean he jump off the ball as was one of the best I've ever seen. And yeah, so be able to have that on one side then versus you know, have me on the other side with you know, a little more power to my game, and it's definitely creates

a lot of different mismatches and stuff like that. You know, I've heard like DJ Humphreys, Cardinals starting left tackle, has been the host of big red rage for many years, and he let it be known that, you know what, as a left tackle, if you're going to keep the same guy in there the entire game, I'm going to

get used to what he brings in his body. But let's just say the Cardinals in a game this year, go with the maj Sanders and they roteet into Cameron Thomas and then here comes Dennis Gardak right six foot even or so, a pit bull kind of guy, and then a Devon Knard. I would imagine that could be a challenge left tackle, just bringing the whole arsenal one. Yeah. I mean, if you're changing it up on the offensive lineman, that's got to be to your advantage, I would think, absolutely.

So when you're out here, what sort of impression if you tried to leave on the coaches going into training camp with that being just over a month a month or six weeks away or so. You know, I'm just trying to be myself out here. And I just like I said before, discipline is it is a huge thing for me. So I'm just trying to show them the person I am in the player I am. What's been your biggest challenge so far? Cameron Thomas, Cardinal's third round pick. A lot of guys at this point will say the

playbook is that accurate or is it something else? You know, the playbook's obviously been a little bit of a struggle, but you know, I've been taking my time outside of here and really trying to make sure I make the best opportunity. One thing I am struggling with, I guess I would say, is man, I gotta get a watch. I get a watch man. I'm kind of a little too close to so many of these meetings, but um, yeah, another playbook has been um kind of something I've taken

in my own hand. What about your cell phone? Can you can you? Can you set the alarm on your cell phone? Cameraon that? I can do? Yep, that I can do. But I don't always have my phone on him at all times. So because what's the rule if you're five minutes early, you're late? Is that sort of the rule in the NFL? That is it? Yeah, okay, I got you, all right, So you've heard it from Charlie Bolling. Yep, that's good. All right. So what do you have plan between now and Yeah, the rookies have

to stay through the end of the month. I get it. But you're there's gonna be a few weeks of downtime. What you're planning, You're going back to your hometown of San Diego. That is your hometown, right, Yes, there it is. Yeah. I was born and raised in Carsbay, San Diego, and um, you know, I got some people out there I already have lined up to work with, and I'm really excited to um use that as an opportunity to get a jump. See, you grew up seeing all the Arizona license plates in

the summer. Now you're gonna have the Arizona license plate in the summer. That's all that's gonna work, right, That's gonna be me. How exciting is it, though, just this moment to be launching your NFL career, because I know you're all about football, right, I mean, this is gotta be a big deal. It means, it means everything's me be able to wear that little badge on my chest up during practice the NFL badge. I mean it really just brings a little kid out of me. I mean seriously,

it just really it means a lot to me. All Right, So you're gonna continue to foster that relationship with JJ Watt as we wrap it up. You're sort of picking your spots, aren't you to engage him? Yeah? No, I mean he's a busy man. Like I said, you know, he's always doing something and I really respect him for doing that. Cameron. We respect to you for giving us some of your time, and we look forward to training camp, you and my j Sanders and what some of the

other rookiees are going to do this year Austin. Yeah, well, thank you for having me on. Okay, there you go. Cameron Thomas, everyone, your Mountain West defensive player of the year, started all fourteen games a year ago, and he'll be out there in training current camp, trying to earn some time as a Cardinals, trying to generate a pass rush minus Chandler Jones this year. Hey, there's opportunity for playing time.

There was no doubt about it. Avance Joseph's deep and so we'll be back with more on the Big Red Race, which was in a by Santan Boord and Gilbert. After this, Jackson, I'm burned down. Watch the throw going deep looking for Hollywood Brown and touch up Hollywood Row price surprise. He is a guy that makes sense for a number of reasons.

Number one, two years of control costs, getting a dynamic receiver who's played inside outside obviously, the chemistry with our quarterback, and a guy who can be a dynamic vertical thread, which is something we were looking for as well. As I had a very strong feeling that the board was going to fall away. It did, and I'm awfully glad

that we made this trade. It's Jim Steve Kime. Not long after the Cardinals finalize that trade for Hollywood Brown, Marquise Hollywood Brown is an Arizona Cardinal from Baltimore Ravens. After a first round of the draft where the top six receivers went before pick number twenty rules are picking twenty three. That was the reference there, and you heard one of his big time touchdown catches on the Ravens radio network. I tell you a Wolf and you've seen

it as well. It's hard not to notice number one throwing a number two in these OTAs and the Mini camps man. They have instant chemistry. And we talked about it this week, didn't we not that if you were taken a rookie first round receiver, there definitely would have been a learning curve. There is with every single rookie receiver.

But this is plug and play. Yeah, Paul, you know you've been out there watching him, Paul, I typically have been broadcasting, but you've actually had the opportunity to watch him go out there and play. Listen, he's the run by guy the Arizona Cardinals needed. I mean, this is something we've talked about, but this is going to open up a lot of room for de Hop and zach Ertz.

It just is you cannot even believe the kind of impact that a receiver who can run the way that Marquis Brown can run is actually going to open things up for so many other guys. That's number one, and produce big numbers himself. Paul, it sound like, you know what, it's not just him without the ball, it's him with the ball. He could produce himself. That's number two. And number three is you know what you think of the

offense that he comes from. Now, it's a heavy twelve personnel run first offense with the Ravens right, mixing the old and the new. Very similar to what I expect to see the Cardinals do a little bit this year. And he was the number one receiver. When d Hop actually gets back into the fold after week six, he's

not going to be asked to be the number one. Yeah, And he's mentioned that, has he not about how he looks forward to the fact that DApp will be the guy getting the double coverage or the brack of the safety over the top. That's something that would always happen to him in Baltimore. And you know what, and that Greg Roman offense in Baltimore, You're right, it was run first, it was tight end second, and then it was receivers third. It might have been Lamar running third and then receivers fourth,

I mean in the packing orders. So the Cardinals feel like they can unlock some of this big playability of Marquis Hollywood Brown. In fact, Cliff Kingsbury was asked about that he can stretch the defense. There's no doubt vertically, I mean, he can really roll. He had a bunch of big plays last year, could have had more. I felt like that's an aspect. You know, having aj Rondo him guys that can can stretch the field from all

angles is going to be good for us. And you heard Steep Kimes say about he can play inside and outside. And look, we love Christian Kirk. Okay, he's our guy, and he's a great guess so many times in the Big Red Rage. But but Wolf, you tell me he was much more effective inside than Christian Kirk ever was outside. Right, Yeah, no, you're right about that, PAULI. And once again, way to go Christian, way to go a bad guy. I'm just saying, right,

there are good things to Christian Kirk. But yeah, listen, um, the Cardinals are going to have so many different weapons to use. And yes, eleven personnel is going to be one of those eleven personnel, whether it's in rundown situation or otherwise, that is going to be really intriguing to me. One back, one tight end, in three wides. Who are the three wide receivers going to be? They're gonna have multiple eleven personnel packages, Paul, multiple Typically you don't typically

you just okay, it's what's our starting eleven personnel? One back, one tight end, three wide. Like I said, you know what they might mix and match the three wide receivers that are going to be in a game, not only that Paulie. They may say, um, that tight end, it's not always gonna be zach Ertz. When we go eleven personnel, that tight end might be Trey McBride. That tight end might be Max Williams, depending on the personnel group. Once again,

they're gonna have multiple eleven personnel groups. That's exciting, all those weapons. Cliff Kingsbury made a dead pan comment to the media. I think he was joking, not joking that he needs his three weeks of vacation for mental health because when he gets back and then de Hop gets back, he's gonna have a lot of these guys. Yea, and at him as the play caller. You know, where are my targets? You know? Because somebody give me the dang ball and there's only one of them. So it's a

good headache to have, There's no doubt about it. And I also like that that Marquis Hollywood Brown and Rondale Moore are already pushing each other. These are two guys who are similar in size and speed. They're already feeling questions Who's faster, who's going to be more productive and so, and then we found out about Hollywood Brown and just what sort of practice player is. He's known as a grinder in fact, in fact, he was asked, Okay, are you taking time off? And if so, how and when

between now and camp? No, I'm going over starting tomorrow. Yeah, starting tomorrow. Get my body right, and then you know whoever Kyler's at, That's where I'm gonna be. That's and you know what, we found out this week that they've been spending a lot more time together in the Dallas area than we anticipated. So, look, they enjoy each other's company. They're really close friends. Marquis Salio Brown knows that he wants to have a big season, obviously with that contract

hanging into the balance. So the best way to learn the offense and be effective and hang out with one of his good friends. You know what, I'm just going to go where Kyler is. Yeah. You know what I love about that? Marquis is a dog. He's Paul. This is a guy that loves to practice. You're just telling me right now that a guy loves to practice. He just I don't care who it is, Paul, what the

name is how much money he's making. If you tell me, here's the guy that loves to practice and gives a lot of effort when he practiced, I'll tell you right alcohol, that dude's a dog. He is. And you know what, if you look at his backstory, he didn't get a Division one scholarship right out of high school. He had to go to Southern California from Florida. He had to work a side job and then play ball to a junior college to put himself through junior college. And then

he earned it on the field. Boom, he got the scholarship to Oklahoma. Then him and Kyler on the scout team, they said they would just go out and they knew they weren't playing in the game. Was Baker Mayfield and company when Bake was winning the Heisman. They'd go out and just try and torch the first team defense. That was their game day during practice in the week. So

he's a guy who's used to earning it. And then Cliff Kingsbury was asked about Kyler, and you know what he can teach Hollywood Brown at this point during those workouts, Kyler can signal things out to him, talk through the offense, how we do things, pace of play all that and just continue to build that rapport. Getting that timing together is huge anytime you can have that type of work.

I mean, if they already have that chemistry, Wolf, you tell me, because too often last year we saw Kyler not quite have some of that chemistry with his receivers. Aj Green has been blunt and honest and is pointing the finger out himself and he needs to work on his relationship with Kyler Murray. So it seems like you know it once again, it's just plug and play Hollywood and Kyler. Yeah, no, paul it is. It's a huge

advantage right now, it really is. You think of Derek Carrn Davante Adams, right, yep, these guys that were former teammates, Paulie, they were friends. Of course they've got that chemistry. This is exactly what Kyler Murray has with Hollywood Brown Man. It's the reason why I really do believe this is gonna be a super Bowl caliber offense. And you know what if something else that stands out as we hit zoom out on the offseason, and we just talked to

the rookie Cameron Thomas. If you go back to win. Trey McBride, the second round rookie tight end out of Colorado State, met the media. He made a comment in response to why would the Cardinals take a tight end, and Trey McBride told the media that coach Cliff wants to disguise the offense a little bit more. Yeah. It sort of validates your point, does it not? Of what

the Cardinals were when they had Max Williams. So now if they're able to get Tray McBride and hopefully get Max Williams healthy and just sort of keep some of these teams on their heels a little bit more, perhaps, and maybe that's a big reason why each of the last two years, in the latter part of the season, with all the film that was out there, maybe just maybe the Cardinals offense got a little too predictable. Yeah, Pauline, always remember this as well. Super Bowl caliber always means

prove it. Hey, we'll continue to do that in the big red rage position battles. Next, keeps up on the football. This time of the two backs set on fristant goal right right is Noah Grad. I want to give it up Daryl Williams. That's a back to the left ter

cutting right into the end zone. Touchdo Chansas City. Daryl Williams, smart and tough, cutting back to his left homes parking up the calls right foot in front of the left of the near hatch, takes the snaptos and the flat darrel way at fifteen ten five lid touchdown Kansas City. The Raiders still aren't covering Darryl Williams. It's a twenty three yard touch down on a flat route in yards after the catch by d will About Chiefs Radio Networks. Some big moments, some big plays in big games from

Daryl Williams over the last few years. Smart and tough wolf, So you know what the potential to be worthy of the number twenty four in the running back room like you once upon a time with the Arizona Cardinals. How about ball? Thank you very much. I'm waiting for the attack now momentarily, but let me just say this, Darryl Williams. We had the opportunity BOLLI to actually speak with Darryl Williams and I have not met. Do tell Can I

tell you right now? It's very interesting. Um, he's a lot bigger and a lot thicker than what I thought he was going to be thicker as an AJ Dylan thick. No, Paul, I'm just like, like like his leg day, like that kind of thick legs. Yes, the butt and thighs were thick, Paul. I'm just saying right now now. He said he told us at the time, Darryl that he wanted to lose some weight, still needed to lose some weight, but man, I told him, don't just keep it right where you are. Well,

I'll tell you what I mean. Arguably, that running back room is going to be the most loaded position group perhaps on this team going into camp. Considering you already have a Pro Bowl running back in James Connor. We know Darryl Williams coming off a season where he had a thousand all scrimmage yards, think starting only seven to seventeen games for Kansas City, still had a thousand yards

from scrimmage. And then you have maybe the guy who's the up and comer of the off season, and that would be Eno Benjamin who has gotten multiple props from Cliff Kingsbury. And that's not the only one. Listened to Justin Pugh on the Day Pash podcast. I think James kind of keeps that that same role we'll go out there be short yardage. He I mean, he was getting out in the passing game, doing screens, doing all those things.

He was unbelievable. I think a guy to look for, you know, Benjamin, he looked great in mini camps so far. He's probably been our best outside zone running back that we've had on the roster, even last year, and he had to learn how to pass protect and that was really the only thing. You can't trust the guy to be in the game if you can't trust him to pick up in pass protection. And he's gone night and day from last year this year. So I think he's gonna have a big jump. Well what did he say

right there? Did he see the outside zone? Did you hear him say that? Pauls what he said? Oh? Baby, that's what I'm talking about, Paul. That is the package of plays that is the panacea. It is what's the passa Part two for the Arizona Cardinals, the end all be all the key that under Paul, that is huge right there. Honestly, you tell me they're gonna run the tackle zone and the package of plays that come off of that as their base man, that is good news to me. I tell you might want to end the

show right there, considering Wolf's reaction. I don't know. I mean, I don't know if I can even follow that up. But there was the question I was going to go with, is that if James Connor is a power back, and he is, although we learned he has a lot more in that toolbox right especially catching the ball, and he can house it. He can finish some of the Dary

Williams is a big back. If Eno Benjamin, who is in great shape, like now Rook looks great, do you think he fills a Chase Edmonds type role and that you know, he's the back who can make the first guy miss better than anyone else. Perhaps, yes, PAULI you know, once again, remember when they drafted you know, Benjamin, I did compare him to Chase Edmonds. I did. I thought these guys were going to get along really, really well because I heard that Eno was very cerebral. Well guess what,

those guys did get along very very well. And having Chase on the field, Chase was like Paul, it was like having a coach on the field. And I think Eno Benjamin is that kind of brain, and he's that kind of grinder He's that kind of guy that's going to finish practice and going and watch tape himself. He's gonna go home, as a matter of fact, and watch tape. He's that kind of guy. And that's exactly who Chase was.

You know me, Wolf, I love a good conspiracy theory, And mayor may not have wondered out loud on air with you earlier this week that all this praise Reno Benjamin is that because they're setting up a trade because they're only going to keep four running backs and special teams isn't exactly his special tea. And so you know, but I asked around a little bit and the answer would be a resounding no. Calvin that he really has popped and shined in these offseason workouts and on the

field when the Cardinals have been out there. So it sounds like it's legit. Justin Pugh you just heard with Dave Pash brought him up on his own. So, okay, the running back room, we get that. Now, what about cornerback? Because the Cardinals did sign former second round pick Josh Jackson, a four year guy. They signed him today. He was

on a tryout basis during mini camp. Fact I tweeted out some video of him at Paul CALVC and I'm just wondering about the cornerback room now after the tragic death of Jeff Gladney, because they want to move Byron Murph be inside, do they not? That's where he excels. But are they going to have that ability if they don't have a capable outside corner to go with Marco Wilson, Paully, let's talk about the running back room again, Okay? Can we do that? Paul? I mean corner right now? It is.

It is an area of concern, obviously, and you know who that is going to be, Polly, I don't know. I don't think they're done. There's no way. Man. There was a John Abraham that is coming here. There's an Eric Winston signing. There's something that is coming here. Paul. I think. I think there'll be guys that get let go as well in training camp that I think the Cardinals will kick the tires on. I think this is going to be a constant search leading up to the

regular season for that corner, that third guy. I agree, what about inside linebacker Zaban Collins. Isaiah Simmons obviously will begin in every chance in the month August to win

those inside linebacker spots. But will they I mean, that is a bit question, is it not, Polly, Yes, it is, And I'm saying to myself, please, please, please please, I am please please, Avan Collins and Isaiah Simmons win those inside linebacker jobs right there again, Isaiah, I think sometimes you know, they move them all over the place, and that's great. He truly is an X factor. He truly is a rare talent. But sometime, at some point in time, you gotta find home, baby, You gotta have a position

you can call home. This is where I belong. Yeah, they're gonna be creative with me. Yeah, they're gonna move me around in special situations. But I got to I've got to be a master of one, not a jack of all trades, master of none. I've got to be a master of one. And look the practice sessions the media was allowed to see during this offseason, the entirety of the offseason, every time we were out there. And this is according to Craig Griglou, who tracks these sort

of things, Isaiah Simmons worked exclusively with the safeties. You never worked position group roles with the inside lineback so we'll see. I don't know what that means exactly. They signed another inside linebacker today, a four year guy who played for the Chiefs most recently, and Ben Nieman. There's that.

Then obviously there's the center position pending Roddy Hudson, and then the other position battle is opposite Marcus Golden edge rusher and I mean wolf n It's got to be divine Kennard's job to lose at this point and less a Dennis Gardeck is someone. But even Gardeck, I mean, I don't think you really view him as an every down player at this point, do you. You know? Listen, how I know he had seven sacks at ninety three reps, Paul right, Truly, that was pretty dog on good right there.

He actually existed and flourished, I should say, advanced Joseph's high pressure complex pressure packages. He did very very well in that. But you know, Polly, I just the Isaiah Simmons thing once again, this might be a situation where they know they're going to play him more at that weekside inside linebacker position. But with all the advancement of this new age, of this new era offense, this spread

offense being introduced to the NFL. Maybe they want him to get a lot of safety word, Polly, because they are going to move him around and that's the most difficult thing for him to learn. So maybe that's why they're doing it now. But once the pads go on and they start hitting and running the ball, they're going to put him inside. I said this earlier today and Cardinals Underground the podcast go Toacy Cardinals dot com orherever you year a podcast. You know what his position is

week one against Kansas City. His position is the dude who covers Travis Kelsey. And I don't care if he's listened as an inside linebacker or he's listed as a safety. I don't care. He's the guy who's got to check the all pro tight end Travis Kelsey. That's his role. I just want him to stick his face hitto the fan and like it. That's what I want him to do. In the final moments, would you think of Cameron Thomas our interview, because I tell you there was a great

moment we were going into the studio. Coming out of the studio after the Red Sea Report was Kyle Vannenbosch and I introduced camera. Thomas said Hey, Kyle Vannenbosch, and immediately camera Thomas lit up. He knew exactly Kyle Vanbosch was as a fellow great pass rusher, right, he knew all about the fact he played for the Lions. That was a great moment when Yeah, you know what, I love the fact he equated intensity with effort. Ah, I love that right there. I also love the fact that

this dude is almost two hundred and seventy pounds and thick. Paul, Yeah, he's got a thick base man. Yeah, he looks pretty good at least going through the garbage cans. He can move for a guy who said he hasn't put his hand in the ground once this entire offseason and that's all he did in college. And then he cited how

ultra quick my j Sanders is. So all eyes are on those two third round rookies, no doubt when the Cardinals get to camp, that is their next stop because they are off, although the rookies will be here through the end of the month. Special thanks Jim amhndro, Cody Fincher and Cameron Thomas. Ron willflay on Paul kelbyc This as been the big red Rage Chaul Number one tail. You've been listening to The Big Red Rage presented by

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