Big Red Rage - Roster Reax And Rashard Lawrence

Slash Podcasts. The Red Scene, Rising Guard, temperatureizing vision, flurring, rage taking over. Here's Paul Calvc. I'm ready. I'm one hundred percent ready. I'm telling you i'mready, and Ron will flee. It doesn't get any better than that. Unleash the fiard. Let's put it this way. What the Cardinals did to the Titans in that joint practice last week, what the Cardinals did to the Titans in Nashville to start last season is exactly what we had for basically lunch and

dinner every night, smoked and shredded Tennessee style barbecue. I mean, what the Cardinals did to the Titans is exactly what the game plan needs to be for every single opponent, what they need to serve up every single Sunday this season, pulled, sliced and slow cooked in that ninety degree heat and humidity. Cardinals are back the regular seasons around the corner, and we've got the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford in Gilbert. We are santan Ford, Paul Calvci here, Ron

Wolfley on assignment. So it is a pleasure to welcome in. Rob Frederickson. Rob, are you regular season ready? Fall? Pulled pork? Hey, buddy, let me tell you I am ready. Let me tell you about three days into last week. I resembled that remark. I mean when when Ron Wolfley says, hey, PAULI pumped the brakes on the barbecue, you know you've hit rock bottom. That that really is the abyss. So I've been on a cleanse ever since. Rob. So, my wife's from Texas.

It's brisket there, man, I'm all about the brisket. So, okay, you know we're getting ready for the regular season when the two worst days of this season have just passed. Those are the words of Cliff Kingsbury talking to the media last couple of days. Of course, it's cut down day. And just because you make the final fifty three doesn't mean you're going to make it to a week one, because then there are Moose with a practice squad and off the waiver wire and so forth. It's an evolving,

churning thing, this final roster. And Rob is a guy who played a decade in league. What's that like in the locker rooms? It must be that must be thicker than the humidity of Nashville, just hanging over everyone's head as you wait for the turk to make his way around a locker room. Yeah, I mean, after that last preseason game, the next couple of days, it's it's uncomfortable for everyone, even if you know you're on the bubble,

especially it's it's uncomfortable. But even if you're a guy that uh, you know, is solidified as a starter or just you know, you know that you're gonna be on the team, you're gonna be on that fifty three man roster, it's still uncomfortable. You don't know what to say, you don't know how to act. It's uh, you know, it's just kind of hide in the weight room or something. It's it's really uncomfortable, but unfortunately it's it's a part

of the business, and that's what this is. It's a business. Um. A lot of these guys that got released are gonna find a home somewhere else based on what they put on tape in this preseason. Richard Lawrence is going to be our guest tonight, nose Tackle Extraordinary. We're gonna bring him on and we'll talk about some of that that dynamic and what he and his teammates have just gone through. We'll get into a whole bunch of different storylines. We're

going to get into the cornerback room. We're going to talk about the deep fence as a whole. I want to get thoughts from Rob as a guy who played that linebacker spot in the NFL, what he thinks about

both inside and outside linebacker, the pass rush. But let's start with what Cliff Kingsbury called the stars of camp, Andy Isabella and Greg Dortch, because Greg Dortch along the lines who were just talking about there, Rob said today was the day that he could finally exhale that once you saw the waiver claims that were submitted at one o'clock. Today was that's when you realize, Okay, I'm on this fifty three and look in Dortsch's case, wouldn't you agree.

I mean, sure, he's been cut five times at least coming into this season, but his play throughout the month August he made this team and then some oh, no question, he was outstanding in the preseason. Just did everything the coaching staff asked of him. He was consistent, great hands, speed, route running ability, did everything that was asked of him special teams wise, I'm really happy for Greg Dortch. You know, nobody deserved to be on that fifty three men roster

more than him. Yeah. And then of course, well we'll let Cliff Kingsbury talk about it because there was another Star Camp and when he was asked about Greg Dortchi and company, here's what the head coach told the media today. All last year on scout team, it was to the point where I'm like, dude, you gotta stop doing that because we're losing a confidence on defense. I mean, he was making that many plays the day and he's just

a ball out, that's what he is. And then my big deal is learning the offense and sign out where we can trust you on any givement player, You're gonna know what to do, You're gonna do it right, You're gonna be where we expect you to be. And he's really worked hard at that through the spring in summer and it paid off. He saw the plays he was making in the games and he does it in practice. And you know, the stars of the camp really to

me were Andy, Him and Hamilton. They really stepped up and all performed at a high level, took advantage of their opportunities. You know what, it makes sense. It Isabella and Greg Dortch really pushed each other in the off season. But let me ask you this, Rob, because there's a question I as Storch himself, and I kind of treaded lightly because I wanted to know to what degree is he confident he can make all these plays in the

regular season, because we've seen preseason stars before. If you rewind back about ten years, the Steven Williams of the world right ahead, I remember the Cardinals. Sure so and and he looked me, and you know what, I don't think he was offended by the question because he knows as well. He's got to prove it. But he came in last year week seventeen against Dallas. He made a couple of plays and made a big chunk catch. But they're going to be counting on him, especially in the

absence of a DeAndre Hopkins and possibly Antoine Wesley. We still don't know with Rondelle more so, what's your confidence level he can perform in the regular season. I think he can. His game. His game translates in football into

into the regular season. It just does. Just his his out running ability, speed, the great hands, and now that he has a better grasp of this offense and he's more in sync with Kyler Murray, the quarterbacks and the receiving group as a whole um, I don't I don't see a drop off in performance for Greg Dortch when he gets the opportunity, and he will have opportunity early on, especially because you do it all. You're right, you have question marks with some guys, with Antoine Wesley, Rondelle Moore.

You know, we don't really know. DeAndre Hopkins is going to be out, So Greg Dortch is gonna get some playing time, and he's gonna get it early. So I'm interested to see what he does. I think he's going to perform as well, if not better than he did in the preseason. And to me, if Rondale Moore is going to be the guy who's going to be downfield a lot more than he was last year, well there's still that role in close offense where the receiver who's

going to be the Jets sweep kind of guy. He's gonna go horizontal and lateral to the line of scrimmage. I could easily see that being a Greg Dortch or perhaps and Andy Isabella with the fourth three speed. Yeah, I'm sure that because that's a big part of Cliff's offense, kind of that that behind the line of scrimmage wide receiver screens. Basically what it is is keeping defenses honest, making him creep up those safeties and get those linebackers attention,

and then we'll dump it over the top. So it's gonna be a part of a Cliff Kingsbury offense. But I am more excited than more so for that, but I'm more excited for really seeing Rondel Moore stretch his legs a little and get downfield. Yeah, it's sort of the equivalent in Cliff Kingsbury using the receiver in that capacity you described like the Warriors spreading the floor in

basketball right, making a defense defense sideline to sideline. And what I think was most encouraging, at least to me about Dortch and Andy Isabella, because you're talking about Greg Dortch, a guy they list at five to seven, is that they made catches downfield, they made catches in traffic, they

made contested catches. And after the game, we had a chance to talk with Andy Isabella in Tennessee, and you just the intensity was palpable and Andy Isabella and I asked him, what do you hope that you and Greg dorts showed? Are we willing to stay in the fight when it gets tough, when it get practices, it gets cuff. On the days get tough, me and Greg were still there. I think that's gonna go a long way, just in

football of life and whateveryone going gets tough. Sure we don't back down, We won't get back up and keep going. He went on to say Rob that he's always been overlooked quote unquote, and sometimes he feels more comfortable when he's overlooked, and he said it was his job to make it as tough a decision as possible, and that he quote came in with a fierce mindset and I knew I was going to dominate what was missing to me? And he was pretty forthright early in his career that

his confidence was up and down. It was sort of a roller coaster trying to determine whether he believed that he belonged in the NFL. There's no question about that to me. Now with Andy Isabelle, all you have to do is listen to his interviews. Yeah, and when a players playing with confidence at that position, he's catching the ball with his hands away from his body, that's confidence. And you saw that from Andy Isabella in the preseason.

Hadn't seen that before. That was one of the big knocks on him as he was a body catcher and he couldn't get off of the press man, he couldn't get off of the cornerback. So he's over come a couple of those things and and you know, to see him catch the ball with his hands with confidence, Um, you know, running running good, Chris Routes, getting a couple of pass interferences downfield to extend drives in the preseason. Um, you know, Andy Isabella has really grown in this offseason.

You can see it and I hope it translates on the field. I really do. I I you know, I feel for that guy. He's he's been through a lot, and and he's he's absorbed a lot of criticism and you know, some of it rightly so, but some of it I think maybe a little unfounded. But um, you know, Andy Isabella is a guy that you know, with with what he has and what he can do. You know,

you can't teach speed. It's it's just something that that you can't teach, and and he has it, and the Cardinals are able to find a way to utilize it to the best of their ability. Man that there could be a spot for Andy Isabella, and as a guy who was told in the all season that he could seek a trade, that his agent could call around and seek a trade, guess what, he might have a much bigger role than anticipated, just based on the uncertainty right

now in the receiver room. We know DeAndre Hopkins has gone the first six games. We know that, but what we don't know is Rondel Moore and Zach Ertz. For example, Cliff Kingsbury saying today it'll be close quote unquote for week one, he said the same about Marcus Golden, although they do expect Marcus gold to be on the practice field to start next week and then you know, justin Pierre, they're gonna see where he's at on Monday as well.

You're starting left guard. If not, Cody Ford figures to be the guy getting all the reps there and he has started experience obviously, but yeah, at least initially to start the season. Look, there's a lot of uncertainty on the offensive side of the ball, rob and that's not what you want to hear, right, you want to come out of out of the last preseason game with all right, everybody's healthy, we're you know, Chiefs are on the clock.

We're getting ready for the Chiefs. Well, you know, when half our team is in the tub, it's it's kind of hard. But look, we got to get these We got a couple of weeks now, we got to get these guys healthy. Gotta get him ready to go. But again, Greg Torch and Andy Isabella, they're gonna get plenty of times, plenty of opportunities where their names being called, especially early because of the situation or potential situations in that wide receiver room. And you know, with five running backs on

the roster. Maybe you come out and you run at thirty thirty five times against the Chiefs. Right you don't. You don't have to line twice about that ball control? Yeah, no, absolutely, Paul. You know I like it. And we know how important resigning James Connor was to Cliff Kings Barrett and he was under wraps the entire month August. See your bust out, James Connor. You mix in some Darryl Williams has got to be ultramotivated against his former team, and Eno Benjamin.

I wouldn't be surprised if they come out and and it's a run heavy type. I can see it. Look that that's us, right, running back room is a strong room. Get the tight ends healthy, get them up there blocking. Let's run the ball against Kansas City. Episode thirty eight of the Dave Pash Podcast featuring Clemson head coach Dabo Sweeney, available now where you your podcast or via Twitter at hashpod. All right, that d line room, Like, who's the biggest ham, right?

I mean what Rashard Lawrence? Who does he want to sack the most when it comes to quarterback? All next on the Big Red Rage, give the anchors off the right side, nowhere to go, brought down in the line of scrimmage. Lawrence was there first, Chard Lawrence coming down the line. That kid has got a future for an and Allen under center, turn give and into the backfield and poring down the running back for a big losses

Rashard Lawrence. How about that tackle for loss? You know, players like to say that the most football play in football is the kickoff, as we say, welcome back in here to the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert Paul Kelvici. And can we say that the most football player in football is the nose tackle? Can I? Because if you want to know if you're really in a game of football, I mean full pads, full contact, full anarchy, I mean, just play nose tackle. Am I

wrong on that? And I think we need a nose tackle to comment on that? And hence our guest tonight, Richard Lawrence, Arizona Cardinals. What do you think real football does it start at the point of attack? Richard? It starts at the point of attack, nose tackle. You're getting touched every single play, So if you think you're not gonna get touched, you're playing the wrong sport. Every play you are touching somebody and hidding somebody. What PERCENTEA plays

do you get touched by multiple guys? Double teams are more ninety percent at a time? Seriously, yes. So if you get if you get a single one on one monoe mono block, you're like, this is a good this is a good rep right here. Gotta make the play. You gotta make the play. See how are you playing? You just went through camp. Okay. Some of the best words guys will ever hear is okay, we just broke camp. So you're done regular season? Around the corner, I mean,

how do you feel? Where do you think your game? I feel good? Feel good. It was a successful training camp, stayed healthy as a collective group. I think that we made some strides. This is our I think, third year under coach Joseph's defense, and you know, we know what they expect now, so going into a casey we won. We know what they're gonna do, we know what the cause are gonna be. And it's a real good field just knowing, you know, having the same system for the

last few years. How long did it take it? Truly now as you as you think back to to really know the defense, so you didn't have to think and you could truly just play. It took about a year to understand the ends and outs. The playbook is easy, but just knowing how to do your job is very key. Where to fit at and all those different things play into it. But it took about a year to really

understand the full concept of their defense. If you were talking to a rookie, you know, one of the young guys, I don't know, Manny Jones during camp, what have you learned about the NFL that maybe you imparted to him? Is there anything in particular one or two just sort of bullet points, like, look, it took me a while, but I learned a B and c about this NFL game that you'd be wise to keep in mind. Number One,

take care of your body. That's a big thing that the first couple of years I've kind of struggled with with some little nagging injuries. But number one, take care of your body. And number two, they watch everything you do, which is a good thing because you're held at a higher standard from college going into the next level. So did you train any differently knowing that you've been you know, plagued and nagged by some of the injuries the first

two years. He taking a different approach. Did Buddy Morris sit you down? Do you guys come up with a different strategy? What was the approach? It was a little bit of Buddy Morris and also just knowing that what were some of the weaknesses that I had in my

body that I want to take care of. So I just focused on those things going into the off season and it's really helped out because if you are healthy, and Richard Lawrence is our guest, what is your confidence level you can be a top notch nose tackle this league. I think it's very high. I think that when healthy, I put on some great things on tape, but the number one thing is just being able to be available

weekend a week out. What do you hope you've showed your new defensive line coach Matt Burke in terms of your game and your skill set? What do you hope you've already shown him? I want to show him that I'm a physical player and I loved getting off of the ball. Coach Burke is all about getting up the field, getting off of blocks and penetrating. So I just want to show him that I am a physical guy in a run game, and I can also give him some

push on the path. You know, you talk about getting off the ball, and when we're watching camp, we're watching some of the drills with the guys who played the game right when I'm standing in there with a Kyle van and Bosch or Rob Frederickson from from our crew played NFL defense, you know for twenty plus years combined. That's the first thing they site about your game is your get off, your explosion. Where does that come from?

And how much of that is just God given? How much of that have you just trained over the years. I think some of it is God given, but it's also been still in me all the way from my days at LSU. Coacho used to have a saying tick tick tick, get off, So I just think about that all the time. It's been something that I'd work on relentlessly to just have good good off because if you're a nose tackle, to what degree is at the key to get that first step and get underneath or inside

a guy? It's definitely important because these guys hands and feet are so good at this level that you have to be able to get in and get on your target because if you don't, then that's where your eyes can start playing tricks on you and you can be reading different keys. But when you're toned in on your key, that really does help. Hey, Richard Lawrence is our guest here in the Big Red Rage for center by santan

Ford and Gilbert. You met the media a handful of times last year, and inevitably it came around to run defense. Let's sit zoom out to the front seven and look, there were times when it was really good and there were times where it was a liability the run defense last year, and you were pretty honest with the media as you look back, what was the difference? What has to change this season to get that sort of consistency

in stopping the run. I think that last year, in the first couple of years, it's never been a physical thing. It's always been just a run hidden for twenty yards, thirty yards and you can do good the whole game, but if a run pops, that can mess up your yard average. And I think that we're a defense now that that was number one priority in camp was just stopping the run. I think we did a pre decent job in the preseason of when we played Cincinnati in

Baltimore of stopping to run. A couple of runs got out. But the number one thing for us to be successful, it's going to be to stop the run. Because when you guys give up a chunk run, I see it as a sideline reporter. I mean that triggers guys, right. I mean, you guys come back to the bench. You're hot, right for sure? For sure, it's definitely something that you don't like to happen. Matt Burke, your new d line coach. You know he'll give us a scouting report on you

give us a scouting report on him. What does he try to institute in that room? So far? Man, he is all about get off. That is his number one thing that he preaches day in and day out, is just getting off of the ball. Attack, react. You know, before you react to anything, your first two steps have to be in the game, in the ground. So I think that coach Burke is going to do wonders for our unit. We're a younger group excluding JJ, who's been there a while, but we're a young group that's hungry

and we want to play relentless. JJ Watt was healthy the first seven games. The last year, it just seemed to be a different defense when ninety nine was there. The whole JJ Watt effect that people talk about, true or false? True. I think that some of the things that he does you just can't coach. And when you have a player that's an X factor like that, you kind of let him do his thing and everybody else play, you know, off of themselves. So he is a hell

of a player, and I'm excited for him. If I walk into a biker bar with you six two three o eight, that's a little stand I feel a little tougher, I'm gonna admit. Okay, how about when you guys walk into a game with J. J. Watt, three time NFL defensive player there, Does it bolster the confidence even just a little bit? Oh? It gives you the ultimate confidence. He is. I mean, what he does day in and day out on the field's second to none. And it makes my job easier and makes a guy like Zach

Allen or Lecky's job easier. Zach Allen speaking up, We had him on the Big Red Rage recently called Lecky and I quote three hundred pounds of Torso does does Lecky get a hard time in the d line room? I say he's three hundred pounds of calves because his calf muscles are. He's just a large man. He is a very large Yes, he's a dense human. There's just no doubt who gets the who gets the most heat in the D line room, and who's flipping guys the

most stuff in the D line? Who'd have to keep your head on a swivel four or he might be giving you the business. Um, I would probably have to say, Michael Dogby real yes, okay, wow, I have to talk to Dogby about that? Okay? And what do they give you a hard time about? Raschard? Come on? You know if if they're giving you a hard time, you're a popular guy. So what do you hear it about? Um? They know I love to eat. They know that is my weakness, anything food related. They always asked me to

questions because I can give you an answer. What's your biggest liability? What's your biggest weakness? Milkshakes? Milkshakes? Oh boy? Or salts of caral? I mean you're burning a lot of calories. You can afford a milkshake here, there, can't you? For sure? For sure, definitely got to put that in the cheap mile that's good. What's in the D line fridge? In the D line room? Come on, you guys got to have a fridge. What's itto stocked with? Oh? Got gatorades, waters,

coconut water. M We had a whole snack room set up that Manny Jones put together with rice, crispy tre eats, fruit snacks. We had a bunch of things. He was a precocious rookie. Wasn't here he knew how to go about it. Oh? Yeah, he was on his stuff on end off the field. How was his Kyler impersonation? By the way, we've got various reports and reviews. Would you think of Manny jones Kyler impersonation? I think that it

was very good, but very dragged out. If he would have just kept it short and simple, yeah, it would have been good. Less is more, Okay. As we wrap it up here with the Chard Lawrence in the Big Red Rage, tell us about this defense just in general? What do you see? What do you know that maybe we're going to find out about this defense that this defense has a good confidence building in the fact that we are confident in the scheme that we're being asked

to do. We're also we're experienced now with playing in the scheme for the same for a couple of years now. So I think that this defense has ultimate confidence and being able to stop anybody. I asked my j Sanders, is there a quarterback in this league that you would really like to sack? I didn't even finish the question, and he said, Tom Brady, how about you? And where would Patrick Mahomes rate on that the team you open with?

Oh wow, definitely would love to get Tom Brady. But Patrick Mahomes, man super Bowl champion, Hell of a player that would be upon my list too. It's a daunting task, isn't it open against Patrick Mahomes? Oh? Yeah, I mean he's I don't know if you've seen his numbers in week one of a regular season in his career, He's four and oh with thirteen touchdown passes and zero interceptions, with a passer rating of like one thirty four. And then you guys opened last year obviously with the jack

stomping at Tennessee. I mean, what do you make Just give me an early Scotter report read on this game? What are you expecting? What sort of game? Well, it started to end with Patrick Mahomes. He's what makes the engine goes, So it's going to be imperative for us to be able to rush for and bring him down. We know that he is going to get out of the pocket a little bit and nets where he can hurt us. But we have to be able to get pressure on him early because the offense starts and ends

with him and minus Chandler Jones. This year, you guys got to get that interior pass rush right for sure. For sure, I think that we've got some young guys that are hungry, um, but we are gonna miss chain and we have to be able to get after the quarterback. Okay, what kind of milkshaker was it? Again? If guys want to get on your good side, what kind of milkshake had they bringing you? In? Kream? Okay, I'll pass that along to some of the young guys. Okay, appreciate that.

All right, Richard Lawrence our guest here on the Big Red Rage once again. I mean, the most football player in football has to be the nose tackle. We continue right after this deep in the pocket, let's three von Mullets. That's incredible play by balling. What athleticism to get around and bring that ball in thirty Chin drop us further fours down, pick off. I'm law and he's still running

picks for a territory and out abounds. Darn looking right. Yes, he was incredible play by Trey von muddling in tight coverage, just snatched it out of the air. That's the newest Cardinals. That also means the Cardinals now have five of the top forty picks from the two thousand nineteen draft currently on the roster. Kyler Murray, Hollywood Brown Byron Murphy, Cody Ford and Trey von Mullen pick number forty in the two thousand nineteen draft, one of a pair of two

new cornerbacks on the twenty twenty two Cardinals. It is the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford, Paul Calvc, Rob Frederickson filling in for Ron Wolfley. And before we get to the whole cornerback room, the biggest need perhaps by far on this roster, maybe just some takeaways real quick, Rob from what you heard from Richard Lawrence. And how about him saying that ninety percent of the time playing nose tackle he faces a team or triple team block. I mean that is

not an easy position to play. I agree with you, Paul. Nose tackle is football, right, And I mean when I played, it was defensive tackle. Now it's nose tackle. You see, it's making a comeback. It's kind of like the fullback wolf. Wolf will get all excited. But um, you know Rashad's he sounds like a guy that's got his head screwed on straight. Um. I love his enthusiasm for the game

and for his teammates. Um, you know, if we can keep these guys healthy on the defensive line, and my big thing is keep those offensive linemen off of our best athletes, which are two inside linebackers, Davan Collins and Isaiah Simmons. Whether you have to hold the offensive linemen or do whatever you gotta do, keep them off of those two and allow them to run and make plays. It's not glamorous, right, you know, it's a dirty job

in there. But for me, you know, you that's the that's the that's still best way to ensure that you have a sound defense is when your inside linebackers are making the plays. Yeah, and I'll tell you you're right on that. I mean J J. Watt, we know what he did for the Cardinals defense in that seven and oz start before he had the season ending injury, at least until the playoffs. You know, Zach Allen was playing on one leg much a last season. He has looked

great if those two can stay healthy. Rochard Lawrence, he's been nicked up quite a bit in his two years, but he hurt his confidence. If healthy, he feels like he can be one of the better nose tackles in this league. He feels like he's already proved that some of the things he's put on film. So okay, now you look at that, you're right. If you can be stout along that line of scrimmage, let your linebackers go

sideline to sideline. And then, of course there's the cornerback room, the aforementioned cornerback room, and we know some of the struggles there. We know Antonio Hamilton, the uncertainty around his absence, and we'll get into that a little bit. But first off, the new guy who comes in, tray Von Mullen real quick six two two hundred. He comes out of Clemson that twenty nineteen wrapped. As we mentioned, he's about to turn twenty five. He's in the final year of his contract.

He is ultra motivated and it doesn't earth that he comes from the ASC West where he has a career interception against Patrick Mahomes. He obviously played for the Raiders. He's gonna know Derek Carr in week number two. But just the ability now to bolster that cornerback room. You could sense the relief in Cliff Kingsbury talking to the media today. Rob. Yeah, and I don't look, I don't think Steve Kim has done you know. I'm sure there there'll be some more that that he's looking at and

maybe a couple more that are added. But um, it was a great pick up for the Cardinals. Obviously a position of need. But I love treyvon size. I do. Uh to be six two, two hundred pounds at a cornerback and be able to run like that, um at that position to me is a big plus because if you can get physical, get hands on these wide receivers, um, you know he'd really and redirect him and get him

off the timing of their routes. That that's half the battle right there, and so um, you know, i' I think it was a good pickup for the Cardinals, and I'm sure they're going to continue to be active in free agency. You got a figure he gets every shot to play the outside corner position as opposed to the

other corner they claim from the Jets. Javelin Gidrey, he's five nine a buck ninety one, but he also ran a four to nine at the Combine twenty twenty undrafted guy, but he's been with the Jets last couple of years. Five starts in twenty eight career games. He excels in special teams as well, so he's been added to that cornerback room. In fact, here's Cliff Kingsbury talking about trayvon Mullen and Javelin Gidrey. We need a depth. I'm excited to have more bodies in there and see where we

can we can use them. Yeah, how what's realistic? You heard Richard Lawrence say, you know, what a blessing it is that he's in the same system now his third year. What sort of degree of difficulty is there for those two corners to come in and have to do a speed learning job of advanced Joseph defense. It's it's very doable defensively. It's um it's just the terminology. But look, Cover two is covered two. Cover three is cover three

man cover one. That's the same as Universal. So it's it's just getting down the terminology in terms of potentially when you have a bracket or when you have uh some help and knowing where the help is. Those will be the learning curve issues that I think they can resolve it pretty quick. But I love the name, right javelin? Yes, I mean, Paul, wasn't Weren't you the guy that measured how far the javelin win in high school? You were?

You were out there and running around. That's good, trying not to get hit by one of them, that's right, that's right. I was. I was dodging the shot put on the disc and the javelin. You're right, Yeah, that's that's how I worked on my agility in the field part of track and field. Okay, that's enough, Rob, enough

of the reindeer games. But here's the thing with this, with this, with this room, and for everything that we're worried about when it comes to the cornerback spot, and sure, there's a lot of uncertainty, there's not a ton of death. I get it. Now, You've got a couple of new editions. If Isaiah Simmons is going to be a safety in coverage and he is. I mean, look, he just is.

And I think in week one he even hinted that Travis Kelsey is going to be his assignment if a Buddha Baker and a Jalen Thompson have experienced in the slot as well. I just think you're going to see a lot of different combinations from Vans Joseph, and you know, you just have to make sure that that cornerback room

is in a complete liability. Obviously you can count on Byron Murphy, but Antonio Hamilton beating out Marco Wilson as the other starting corner before all of his sun Antonio Hamilton has gone missing from Cardinals camp and for the team for something that no one really knows, at least in the media side, what's going on. In fact, Cliff Kingsbury he was asked about it on a daily basis.

Here's what he had to say about Antonio Hamilton. Disappointed for him, just the journey that he's had and how he's worked and the level that he was playing at. You hate to see that. You hope he can stay involved in and come back and not miss a beat, But yeah, I think more than anything, it's disappointing for him just because he had earned a starting role at that position after basically bounced around a bunch of teams. And so hopefully he's back sooner in than later. But

we'll see, yeah, one week, one month more. We have no idea and just hope for all the best. Antonio Hamilton, Marco Wilson. So here's Marco Wilson, and we saw his start to last year and Rob you remember we talk on the pregame show in October and November he could be a legitimate Rookie of the Year candidate. Marco Wilson as a starter came in and he grabbed his starting job as a fourth round rookie with four years of

plane experience at Florida. And then whether it was the rookie wall, which he admitted might have been a factor, or otherwise, he just all of a sudden, for the first time in Cliff Kingsbury's tenure as head coach, he was getting called out by the head coach in the media. So there's no doubt that he's in this spotlight, is he not? Marco Wilson And they're counting on him now more than ever, Yeah, well they didna need to put all that side, because you're right, they need him and

they need him now. And yes, last year, I do think he hit the rookie wall, and it is a real thing. But I also think he hit the Cardinals wall, just like everybody else on the team. Um, you know, nobody was out there winning any gold medals at the end of the season. So you know, it's it's when when when things are kind of going south, it's easy to get caught up in that, whether whether you know

you realize it or not. And you know, and I think there's there's some inertia behind that, and and Marco Wilson his play kind of followed that followed everybody else for that matter. So yeah, they're going to count on him a lot, especially early, and and it's it's a position of very weak right now in terms of just depth and and so Marco Wilson's going to have to play and and be a be a stud out there

for the Cardinals. An Tonio Hamilton don't know what's going on with him, but um, if it's excuse, it's nobody's business. And and you know, yeah, we hope the best for him and hope he gets back um as soon as Paul Well, but you know, if it's however long it is, it is, and we just gotta have guys that's around him that step up. People ask me about the defense, Here's what I tell them. I say, look, the starting eleven,

the first twelve, thirteen, fifteen players, you're all good. Let's evolve, right, Cardinals thinking they're confident. But then if you start getting injuries dot dot dot ay, that's where the concern might creep in. Yeah, no, I agree, It's it's just then, um, you know, at various positions on his team, and outside linebacker is going to be interesting for me just to see how how we replace Chandler Jones and how we

come up with some pressure on the quarterback. That's going to be another position that I'm gonna be watching closely against the Chiefs. You know what, we may have gotten a few answers from Clip kings Bearer on that front earlier. Today. We'll get into that outside linebacker, the pass rush, inside linebacker, where the Cardinals stand there the surprise in the final fifty three we'll talk about. Hey, Cardinals season tickets available

now at easy Cardinals dot com. Slash season For more info, we continue with a Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford, how our run game looks. They have an eye formation, fullback checks into the game and a give to the tailback. Haskins trying the right side, nothing doing. He is stacked up and thrown down. Zaban Collins in the backfield, a big tackle for loss and he gets up to celebrate. How about

Zamon Collins? After the game that was Tennessee. We had a chance to interview Cliff Kingsbury right after the game where Zavan Collins saw a few series and Cliff Kingsbury saying, and I quote the reading react is by far where I've seen the biggest improvement end quote, although he does still call Zavan Collins a quote work in progress. We're just gonna find out how much we'll see of that

work in the regular season. It's around the corner. We're wrapping up this edition of the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are Satan for Ford, Paul Calves, and a guy who spent a decade in a linebacker room in the NFL, Rob Burtocks and what'd you see out of the first rounder last year Zaven Collins this preseason? Well, there's a lot to like, especially last week. I mean, Zaven that that's what you if you can bottle that up just uh, I'm telling you.

When when he knows where he's going, uh, he gets there with with some anger and some bad intentions. And you saw that, um during that game he blew up the offensive tackle and made the play for a tackle for loss. So you know, Zaven Collins, It's it's always just kind of from this point back looking back, it's it's just been a recognition and an understanding and just kind of deciphering all the information pre snap. It's that's

been I think his biggest issue just information overload. And if he can just kind of quiet his mind, um and just calm himself and just trust what he sees and and and play the position, I think he's gonna have a very successful career. Yeah. Anything, he probably overthinks it. Yeah, you talk to I mean, he's a very bright guy, valedictorian of his high school class, so that's not an issue. But he also didn't get a lot of defensive snaps,

at least not an inside linebacker year ago. When we did see him the latter half of last season, he was on the edge quite often, and so I would imagine the big question for Vance Joseph and Cliff Kingsbury is Okay, he needs on the job training, but can we afford that? Okay, that's risky, is it not, Especially when you're going against the likes of Patrick Mahomes and Derek Carr and Matthew Stafford to start the season. They're always looking for an advantage in terms of matchups, and

they'll always target an inexperienced guy. Yeah, there's there's no learning on the job, you know. If look, if Zaven Collins continues to struggle, he's just not going to be out there. And there's enough players, there's enough talent at that inside linebacker position to fill that void. Look at Nick vigil As, Ezekiel Turner, Tanner Vlehill. Those guys can all play. I think Zaven Collins will get it, and

I think he's gonna have a very good year. But on the off chance that he doesn't, you know, my level of concern is is not huge when it comes to that position, because I think there's enough guys, enough depth at that position to really compensate if there is

a falloff. Yeah, there was another name in that inside linebacker room, because there's six on the roster right now, Ben Nieman, who who was a surprise he made it, and Chandler Wooten is on the practice squad maybe because they could maybe because they figured, okay, they undrafted rookie Wooten, we could get to the practice squad. Maybe we couldn't get Nieman there. So that was interesting. It was also interesting to hear Cliff Kingsbury today throws Damon Collins into

his answer about outside linebackers and pass rush. So it makes you wonder if twenty five is going to be on the edge a little bit. We know in that spot that Devon Kennard was one of the surprise cuts.

Obviously he was released, and so now you're going with a lot of young guys, Victor de mu Kage, who was probably the most improved player in camp all least based on what I saw the two third round rookies, camera Thomas my J Sanders, and then of course there's Dennis Gardack, who very much looks like twenty twenty Dennis Gardeck as opposed to last season, coming off the acl. In fact, Cliff Kingsbury asked today if Guardack the Barbarian can get to double digit sacks this year the last

time that he was really healthy. I mean he with a number of snaps that he had. The production was through the roof. And from when I've seen going against our guys and Tennessee, he's got a chance to make some noise. He looked good against Tennessee in Nashville. He really did. He was a problem for all out of those offensive linemen. Yeah, I think a couple of years ago Dennis Gardeck kind of caught a lot of offenses

and a lot of offensive tackles by surprise, right. They didn't know who this guy was, some special teams guy coming out here to rush outside. They kind of laughed at it, scoffed at it. I think that maybe even insulted. But when he blew right by him or got underneath their chin and was in the quarterback's face, they weren't laughing. And you know, obviously he got injured last year. That was unfortunate. But you know, I don't think us Gardeck

is going to surprise anyone anymore. I think of the words out on him, Um, and kudos to him for coming back and just being the warrior that he is. And he can still get underneath people, he can still run around people. He's he's a guy that just has an unstoppable motor and I'm excited to watch him play. Um. You know it's time too for these rookies to step up, Cameron Thomas and and my j Sanders. Um, put your hand in dirt and come off the edge or stand

up however you want to do it. But you know, we drafted these guys high for a reason and it's time for them to contribute and to put their mark down on this. And hey, we might even see forty four starting next week. Cliff Kingsbury saying today about Marcus Golden quote, you'd like to get junk going. He calls in the bell cow the outside Linepackers hinted he might be on the practice field starting next week, the whole

tell injury thing, so we'll see about that. We also heard from Isaiah Simmons that he'll be wearing the green die. He'll be relaying the defensive play calls and advanced Joseph. Here's Isaiah Simmons, I think green. Uh yeah, yeah, and um, I don't have to worry about not hearing the call

from anyone or anything of that sort. So maybe in the past, you know, we've had some times where guys aren't getting the call, Um, but me being like involved with the secondary, UM, I realized the stress of getting the call to everybody, especially the far side corner. So I feel like ever since then, you know, ever since I've started calling it, we've been able to get the call out and getting lined up. What do you make

of that, Rob, Yeah, he's right. There's a challenge, especially with the secondary in terms of getting the play calls in and getting it accurately communicated across the entire field, especially if the play before it was a deep pasted on the far sideline. M Yeah, those wide receivers could just you know, step out of bounds and a new

sub come in. But for the for the cornerback, he's got to run all the way back, and especially if they're going no dle, he's got to run all the way back, try to get somewhere near a huddle and get the play call and get it accurately communicated, and then go back out and line up. So it can be a challenge. Um, you know, look hand signals and and uh risk guards with with the with the playing calls and with numbers and for the play calls. That's an easy fix, um that that we can all get

on the same page without having to huddle up. Here's the question I want to ask, NaN's Joseph, who's gonna

make the checks? Who's going to make the adjustments? After you make the play call that's relayed in via the speaker in the in the helmet, then of course you know the offense comes out and they show a different look or there's an audible because obviously last year that was Jordan Hicks, and remember Vans Joseph talking in detail about how it would be a cat and mouse game between the quarterback and Jordan Hicks and how he would make two or three checks did the original play calls.

So I wonder who that might be in that capacity this year. Yeah, I mean for checks to go to the defensive line in terms of alignment, in terms of games that they're running that may change with motion or shifting. That's got to be the middle linebacker, whether it's in a traditional personnel or if it's Nickel or Dime whoever, that that MIC linebacker position is, that's got to be the person that makes the checks up front. And then your safety whoever, whoever your your safety is that typically

makes those calls. They got to relay any coverage changes in the back end, all right, So maybe a Buddha Baker or Jalen Thompson, a Nick Vigil, if he's your MIC backer, maybe he's saving Collins. So we'll see it's right. And it was funny because Isaiah Simmon's joked. He said that Vance Joseph looked him in the eye and said everything I say and that Mike, I need you to tell everybody, and then Isaiah Simmons and sometimes Vans Joseph will just keep talking all the way up to the

fifteen second mark. So it's really tested his recall ability, you know, so special thanks Richard Lawrence, Rob Frederson, Thank you all. Paul Calvey see special thanks as always, Jim l mondro Zach Larson. This has been the Big Red Rage presented by Santandford in Gilbert. Number one. Kil You've been listening to the Big Red Rage presented by Santanford in Gilbert. Are you Santanford State Farm talk to an Agent Today at eight hundred State Farm and by Arizona

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