Big Red Rage - Projecting Picks With Pasch

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than games in the World Series. There's a reason why discussion fills countless hours for countless days on the airwaves and bandwidth. Why before the NFL draft we get a zillion mock drafts. And there's a reason why jobs are predicated and careers are decided upon who can pick and who cannot, and why there are jobs predicting who the decision makers will pick and who eventually they will not. It is the NFL Draft and Ron Wolfley. It is

quite literally the future of football. TikTok. The question, Ballie, is this right here? What do you expect to see Thursday night? How many surprises do you expect to see in that first round? I think we're gonna see at Paul. I think we're gonna see surprise. And not only that, I love the fact that this draft is going to be heavily, heavily weighted towards tape and being able to vet tape, being able to process tape, not only as a general manager, of course, but an entire scouting department.

I think the surprises begin at number four. I think Atlanta all of a sudden will do something. They'll finally get their price. A quarterback will be there, somebody will trade up. The Niners already have buyer's remorse or giving up too much to get to number three. Follow how do you see the draft starts at number four when you have Kyle Shanahan saying, you know what we might take all five, we might draft any five of the

quarterbacks that are right there. We moved up to three because we thought there was at least three that we liked. Then all of a sudden we decided, hey, we like all five of these guys. You gotta be kidding me. You can't make this stuff football. But they're gonna take quarterback. Okay, yes, So that means at number four you have to ask yourself, well, Atlanta take quarterback, because if they don't, somebody will. Somebody

will trade up and we'll trade into that spot. And then at that moment, it is like so on, and there's gonna be five quarterbacks selected before the Cardinals selected number sixteen, unless, of course, oh I don't know, maybe Patrick Curtan or JC Horne is still on the board by number nine, and you gotta jump in front of Dallas, and maybe the Cardinals pull the trigger on a big deal, big deal to get up in front of Dallas. Because the one certainty in this draft, Ron Wolfley, is that

the Cowboys are going corner at number ten. And PAULI, once again, you know what, Honestly, there is gonna be a lot of surprises. I think you're right on that, and I would agree that the draft really does begin at number four. But we know that the forty nine ers moved up to number three to target somebody. Who that is we do not know. There's a lot of speculation out there. Was it Justin Fields? Was it Act Jones? Somebody that is an excellent scheme fit. Why did they

move up to number three? Right there? That's a question mark as far as I'm concerned. I think the top two quarterbacks. I think we're probably going to see them go one and two as we expect. But to me, why did you move up there? John Lynch, That's the question that I have. When they made the trade, did I not say, what are you doing? You gave up three first round picks for the choice of either Mac Jones or Trey Lance or Justin Fields? Yeah? For real?

And now when word is you're gonna take mac Jones and you're getting blowback from Niner Nation, even sourd O'sam at this point is upset. But you're gonna take You're gonna take yesterday's quarterback in mac Jones. Hey, Sam, sit down and shut it in a division with Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson, Are you serious? So now Kyle Shanahan's getting a little irritated. In effect. Speaking of Kyle, let's make it a good one because the end of the

world might be Sunday. Dave Pass is next the pick and the two nineteen NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select Kyler Murray. There's a kid that's wishing dream of if you know, going to a organization and being that guy, you know, turning the program around, an organization around, and you know, winning super Bowls. And I'm not here to lose games or go through the motions. I'm here to change things up. So I'm ready to go. I can't wait.

Flashback to Draft Night twenty nineteen, the eventual rookie of the Year Kyler Murray on offense, then last year a Pro bowler, one of three in the NFC, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, and Kyler Murray. As we say, welcome into the Big Red Race, presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford, Paul Calvc, Ron Wolfley, and just to prove wolf that we are indeed making Tuesday the most productive day of the week. We figured if we had one draft choice to make, and we had one pick.

You know what, let's make it a good one, especially since once again we might not be here on Sunday, according to Kyle Shanahan, So we gotta make account. We gotta call the name the guy who's been the voice of the Cardinals for nearly two decades. As Dave Pass joins us on the Big Red Rage, Dave, are we doing? Hey? What's up? Palli Wolf? Are we doing? Guys doing good? David? Really appreciate you joining us as always. Right now, what is the one thought that is on your mind when

we say NFL Draft twenty twenty one. What's the first thing that comes to mind? David? I think it's the thing that everybody is talking about, and that's the number three pick. What is San Francisco going to do? Because that could change the shape of the rest of the draft, and who knows, maybe it plays a role in what happens at number sixteen, Maybe plays a role in some teams that are even lower than the Cardinals looking to move up. I think it just it all depends on

what San Francisco does. So they take Mac Jones, which I still have a hard time buying that that's the guy they're taking that they rated all that to take a guy that they probably could get later, then maybe nothing changes. But if it's Trey Lance, if it's Justin Fields, if it's Kyle Pitts, then all of a sudden, they're going to be a lot of teams scurring to try

to either move up or maybe even move down. What if they actually intended to take mac Jones and the blowback, the backlash has been so fierce from their own fan base and from all the haters out there. Dave that now maybe they're rethinking it, because I'm with you. When they made the trade and then all of a sudden

they made the trade for Mac Jones. I had a hard time believing they gave up what they did to get up to number three, to get any of those three quarterbacks, but to get yesterday's quarterback in a division with Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray, not get the dual

threat guy. I just found that utterly confounding. Well, I think the thing that's most interesting, for whatever reason, it just seems like they want Jimmy g out of there, and I think you can still win this year with Jimmy Garoppolo, So why not take Trey Lance or Justin Fields. Let them learn for a year, because I think ultimately they're ceiling is greater than Mac Jones. Mac Jones might be able to help you win this year. Why not

take Kyle Pitts. Imagine him and George Kittle and the different things you could do with those guys if you can use check and all those receivers they have, and that offensive line and that great defense. I think it's going to be hard to trade Jimmy G two, and you're taking a gamble that well in New England's not going to be able to get a quarterback, so they're going to have to trade for Jimmy G. So again, I just I have a hard time nothing against Mac Jones. Mac.

I saw Mac play last year in person, and I saw him play two years ago when two of was hurt. He's a really good player, but he also had all world players around him. And again, I just number three. It just seems like such a reach, and people are saying, well, he's perfect for Kyle Shannahan. If you think about it, though, John Elway is really the perfect quarterback for the Shanahan family.

And what's the one thing about John Elway that stands out above everything else his athletic ability, So why not Trey Lance are justin fields? Those guys, to me, fit Kyle Shanahan more than Mac Jones. David. You know what's really interesting about those guys is the fact there are people. There are scouts that will tell you Mac Jones is Tom Brady. Right, They will tell you that. And this is what scouts do. By the way they stand on the table, they hitch their wagon to a player, and

they make declarations, proclamations. And there are many scouts that believe that mac Jones is Tom Brady. And it's not just the physical comparison, where Mac Jones we all know he's not fleet of foot. It's not like Mac Jones is gonna run around Tom Brady certainly coming out of college, coming out of Michigan, right, don't take your shirt off, Tom playse. Same thing with Mac Jones for the most part. But Mac Jones, to me, there are some scouts that think he is the second coming, if you will, of

Tom Brady. And that's what you've got to do. You've got to make the declaration. Do you believe that if the forty nine ers moved up to number three to draft mac Jones. They believe it. Yeah, and that's fine. That's that's again. I Kyle Shanahan. I don't think he's going to take somebody that he doesn't think he can work with and then he doesn't think as smart. But at the same time, you have to look at the

players around Matt. You're trying to project the players that he had at Alabama, even I mean, he never played a game at Alabama where he did not have two first round pick at wide receiver, not one time. And Kurt Warner told me a long time ago, when you're drafting quarterbacks in the first round, be wary of the guys that played with great players in college. It's sometimes order to evaluate those guys. Guess what Kurt beat out

that guy, Matt Leiner. Matt Liner was that guy at USC played with all world talent around him, and then he got to the NFL and it was much tougher when the window wasn't three yards wide, where the separation was immense. So all right, Niners are looking for their guy. The rest of the division is set at quarterback, including Kyler Murray with the Cardinals. Obviously, the question is does his influence go beyond just playing quarterback and does it impact the NFL draft and the war room and the

decision makers. That was the question to him this morning. I'm Good Morning Football the NFL network. I do believe. I think I have an influence in it. I don't know why I wouldn't, you know. I think if you got a guy at quarterback and you trust him and you want to be the face of the franchise for you know, a lot of years, I think he should have influenced just because I mean everything, you know it's

technically built around the quarterback. So I think I had that relationship with Steve Encliffe, and you know, I'm excited to see what we do on Thursday. And look, guys, you know Steve Kime. He'll listen to anybody. He listens to everybody who's involved with football, and then he formulates his own decision. So whereas Kyla suggested Ceedee Lamb a

year ago, obviously they went Isaiah Simmons Wolf. But to what degree are you listening if you're in the war room to your starting quarterback, whether it's Kyler in year three or Tom Brady and year thirty. Yeah, that's a great question, PAULI. It really is. But you know what, guy's input and influence are two different things. Can we agree on that input and influence are two different things.

I don't think Kyler Murray is at a point in his development where suddenly you look at him and you know what, He's going to influence every guy that you bring in to the locker room. I don't think that's going to be the case. I will tell you right now that it is my philosophical belief. If you've got a franchise quarterback in your organization, why wouldn't you go and talk to him and get his inputs on a

lot of moves you might make. Why wouldn't you do that if you knew this is the guy we're going to build our team around for the next ten or twelve years, why wouldn't you go get that kind of input and influence. But if you've got a young, developing quarterback, and that's what Kyler Murray still is to me, you're gonna get his input, no doubt about that. But I don't know just how much he's really going to influence. Steve Kim in the Arizona Cardinal Scouting Department, and you

know what, they might have already listened to him. I mean, think about a dave. He started this offseason being somewhat vocal about offensive line, did he not? And maybe he was in a passive aggressive way via social media. But they went out and they made the move for Rodney Hudson, They made the trade Brian Winners, they acquired Calvin Beecham back on board. Who knows what they do in round one. But yeah, Kyler Murray hasn't hesitated off for his opinion

on roster construction. I think guys that he may help make a decision indirectly, and that's it. I don't think he's walking into Steve Kim's office and saying, draft this guy and Steve said, okay, yeah, right, idea. I mean the guys that Kyler wants to get, I guarantee the same type of players as Steve Kim has thought about. When I say he's helped indirectly, I mean your job is to get weapons around him. Your job is to help your franchise quarterback succeed by protecting him and getting

talent around him. So I just have a hard time seeing him walking into the war room and all of a sudden, everybody just stopping. What they're doing to hear what Kyler has to say about who he wants on the team. Speaking to the war room gentlemen, Steve Kim was asked when he met the media, so what is the potential you stay at sixteen? And then what's the potential you get aggressive and move up or perhaps move back?

Since you have six picks in this draft, You're Steve Kin with six picks and where we're sitting, I think you would be more likely to trade back than to trade up. So that's one thing. And then you know, as far as trading back and accumulating more picks, it's no different than a lottery ticket. The more you have, the better you have a chance to hit. We know it's in an exact business, and to be able to accumulate more picks would be a real coup for us.

Do you buy that, Dave? Are they more likely indeed to move back considering the lack of picks in this draft? Course, you know Rodney Hudson and DeAndre Hopkins were part of that equation. But what do you think? Are you buying anything you hear from anyone the Cardinals, Jam included, I don't think so, guys, I don't I think there are

two things here that you're going to look at. You you're going to keep an eye on who's around between four and nine, and you're looking at to see which quarterbacks go And is one of those receivers still there? Do you want to move up to get a weapon for Kyler or are there some players that are sliding? That's why I say you want to keep an eye on four through nine. Is Elijah vera Tucker sliding? Is he around and you think you can get him at sixteen?

I think there's some other players that have top ten fifteen grades that you're hoping slide to you. But if all of a sudden there's a guy that's there that you think you can go get that you didn't think was going to be there, I think you have to seriously consider it. Terms of trading down, I mean it's always a risk, right You trade down thinking, okay, we'll get an additional pick and we've got our eyes on a guy and see you trade down. Then all of a sudden that guy's gone. Then what do you do?

So if you trade down, you better have several guys that you're okay with getting, and maybe they do and that again comes back to because this draft, guys, is the hardest probably to evaluate, because you have so many guys that opted out, and you got to find out from the guys that opted out why they did. And if you're in the Pac twelve with a big ten, I mean, how much are you holding that against them?

Because a lot of them probably wanted to play or sign with an agent and then they were told, Okay, now you can go back. I mean, it was such a strange year on so many levels that yeah, I mean, maybe there will be several guys that slide, but I just see the Cardinals. He's either staying at sixteen are actually trying to move up. You know what I love. I love this time of year. That's the best thing about it, guys, Are you kidding me? Draft supter fuge.

I don't believe anything that any general manager says at this point of the year. And you know what you can you can honestly say, guys that why would you expect him to tell the truth. He can actually tell the truth at this moment in time, and nobody's gonna believe him anyways. It's just this beautiful brew of draft subterfuge that is going on. Right now. That's it's incredible. It's incredible to watch this. Whether the guy is telling the truth or not, it really doesn't matter because nobody

believes him. And what Dave just said is interesting. Either the Cardinals stay at number sixteen or they move up in his opinion, not move back either way. This is deep and wide receivers. He mentioned Kurt Warner. We'll hear from Kurt Warner, whos on the Big Red Rage last week. We'll talk even next then the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. Shotguns napped to kylum Or from the pocket deep bass, left side, going for Hopkins

one end to catch it a touchdown DeAndre Hopkins. Obviously you'd love to get another number one with DeAndre, but even that complimentary, really strong number two. To go on the other side and give you some playmaking would be great. Two voices right there. Kurt Warner, obviously the Hall of Famer, joined us last week on the Big Red Rage, preceded by the Voice of the Arizona Cardinals. Dave Pash was with us on this edition, the pre draft edition, all

brought to you by satan Ford in Gilbert. Paul kelvc Ron Wolfley, and the question becomes gentlemen, Arguably the deepest position group in this draft is wide receiver. Kurt Warner always on board with getting another weapon. Dave, what about you? Just your general thoughts. We're gonna hear from Steve Kin momentarily, but give me your general thoughts on if the Cardinals go receiver number sixteen overall? Well, I mean, if you're at number sixteen, the best receivers are probably going to

be gone. And I include Kyle Pitts in that group, even though he's listed as a tight end. He's everything, he's anything. So if you're staying at sixteen, you're probably talking about kid Darius Tony being the best guy left. And again, I'm not sure that the Cardinals are going to take him at sixteen. I think the guys that are game changers are the guys at the top of the board. Jamar Chase, who's obviously going to be gone early.

It's looking like Cincinnati at five, and then you know Jalen Waddle and Davante Smith who goes before whom does somebody move up to try to get one of those guys?

Are one of those guys still there? At nine, ten, eleven. Again, that's why I go back to what I said earlier about kind of you're just keeping an eye on what happens four through nine, because if one of those guys slip and you think he can go get him and you don't have to give up, and you're gonna to give up something, but you don't have to completely mortgage your future. Those guys, to me, are the game changers.

Darius Tony I think has a chance to be a really good player, and to me, he's the best of the guys that are after the Big three. But I think there are other players that are going to be there in my mind, that are are going to be more of value picks for you than taking Tony at sixteen. Well, before you get your thoughts, here's the GM Steve Kime this week on the receiver class twenty twenty one. I think it's a really deep receiver class, and they all

have different traits, especially those guys at the top. They're all different sizes, they have different skill sets, whether they can play X or Z or you know, do some things for you in the return game. A couple of those guys have that skill set. To me, I think there's probably going to be five or six guys that could potentially go in the first round. What do you think, Well, you know, it's interesting because there's a lot of guys that have Jaln Waddle on their big board right around

number twelve, number fourteen, some have him number sixteen. As a matter of fact, I've seen him as low as number eighteen. Is it a possibility that somehow, some way Jaalen Waddle might actually fall to number sixteen. I don't know. But if he does fall to number sixteen, I say run to the podium and draft him. And I despise myself for actually saying that, because yeah, right at sixteen. Okay, yes, but you know what, David, once again, I think we're

in for some surprises. I do. I think we're gonna be in for some surprises here in the first round, especially in the first fifteen. We'll see what happens. We'll see who's moving up and who's dropping out of the top fifteen. We'll we'll see. But to me, I think there's gonna be an awful lot of surprises. And the reason being is because this is a tape tape tape heavy draft and we've never seen a tape heavy draft. You know, for three months, gentlemen, I've been the outlier

on the sole receiver thing. I've said repeatedly, just say no to a first round wide receiver. It's too risky. All you have to do is look at the last five or six or seven drafts. And then finally ESPN came up with a stat that verified my gut feeling and what the research I've had done, and among all NFL positions, the hit rate for a first round wide receiver is the worst of any NFL position at only twenty seven percent hit rate being the players that get

a second contract from the team that drafted them. And Dave Polly, do you know what the duration is on that? Do you know how long that is? That's the question I would ask you, is that the last forty years? What are you talking about? Specifically? Do you know the only thing I heard anyone speculate on is it since nineteen ninety for some reason? Okay, that the hit rate

for the receiver position is the worst. See the one thing I would say about that is Polly only because during the nineteen nineties and the early two thousands, of course, there were a ton of read routes, right, It was so difficult for a wide receiver to come into the National Football League playing college football. Now, all of a sudden,

you've got to read a lot of routes. Your route is going to change based on the coverage that the defense is going to play, and you and the quarterback had to be on the same page for the most part. So it was really difficult for a wide receiver to come in mentally with all the hots, all the checks and run the right route. Where I think now we've seen the influence of college football, of course at the NFL level, and I think it's easier to make that

transition over the last three or four years. Yet you're telling me over the last three or four years there's still a big miss rate on wide receivers, correct, I mean, whether it's John Ross or Henry Ruggs or nikkil Harry. I mean, there's just been a lot of misses. You're gonna call Henry Ruggs a miss yet, I mean he's played one year. Well, you have a pair of second round picks in Andy Isabella and Christian Kirk Dave. Does that matter at all in this equation? You just put

a picked up AJ Green. What do you think the urgency is by the Cardinals or should it be to go receiver in the first or second round. I think it's high if there's a guy that you absolutely love that you want to go get. Again, I don't believe that the big three are going to be there. I think that there's no way either I Chase is going to probably go first, but Waddle or Smith, I don't think those guys are around after pick eleven. So you'd have to move up to get one of those guys.

And that's why I said if if you don't do that, you're not taking one at sixteens. I think there are other players are going to be more valuable. But to Wolf's point, you know, you probably could look at the hit rate on quarterbacks in the first round. It's probably pretty similar. You know most you know, half of these

guys aren't going to make it. You know, the five guys that are going to go in the first However, many picks of this draft first, you know, twenty picks at quarterback, you're probably going to have two that hit and three that miss, and it may end up being the ones you least expect. Everybody assumes Trevor Lawrence is a home run, but we don't know. I just feel like there are certain positions that are always safer than others, and I think wide receiver next to quarterback is the

least safe. But that doesn't deter me from going up to get a player like Jalen Waddle or Davante Smith, because I think both those guys are phenomenal talents. I mean, the only thing that's going to keep those guys from succeeding because they're so gifted is injury. But you could say that about anybody. What I love about Jaylen Waddle is he impacts the defense when he doesn't have the ball because of his speed. That is something that Henry

Rugs the third has done as well. When you look at the Raiders, go back and look at their tape. You know what. He didn't get the ball a lot, no doubt about it, and I think he's got to get better there. But you had Derek Card through for over forty one hundred yards and at a quarterback rating of one hundred and one point four, and a lot of that's got to do with the fact you had

a guy out there that was just a burner. That changed a lot of secondaries and a lot of coverage, and I think jaylen Waddle would do the same thing. I'm just saying it seems so risky, and the historical numbers on the receiver position back it up. It's just, you know, if you want that sort of risk, go trade bitcoin. As someone joked, you know, just to me, I'd rather go offensive line, which has the best hit rate than receiver, at least in round one. That's me.

We'll talk a corner next. That is Dave pass our guest on the big red rage, dick split to the left, atched up on Pat p Allen, back to thrown looking for Dickon's that steps up, throws deep middle, picked off Peters and got that one. In this day and age, you want to have that shut down corner, and if Patrick gave you that for so long, you'd love to be able to replace that if you can find one of those guys. I know you have Byron already a young guy there, but you'd like to find a shutdown

corner if you can. It's the one need I think the Cardinals still have. There are needs and there are wants going into every NFL draft. Steve Kime and the Cardinal's front office has done a heck of a job trying to live ate those urgent, dire needs. And you don't want it to be a tell and be so obvious going into any draft. And would that being the case at least to me. Paul Calves here, Ron Wolfley, Special guest Dave Pash. It is our predraft edition of

the Big Red Rage, presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. Well, if you can agree or disagree, if you look at all the position groups, there's one that stands out. You still need another corner opposite Malcolm Butler because to me, you can't count on Robert Alfred, you just can. He hasn't had a healthy season since twenty seventeen. Yeah, you're right about that, Polly, there's no doubt. I think cornerback is the number one need for the Arizona Cardinals coming

into this draft. And again the whole need conversation. Listen, you've got tiers basically, and you're sitting there. Let's say hypothetically the Cardinals they sit at number sixteen, right there, there's going to be a corner on that tier. Maybe there's gonna be a wide receiver on that tier. There's gonna be an offensive lineman on that tier. I think that's when you're going to start looking for. Okay, what is an area of need that we have. We all

know you're not going to draft a quarterback. We all know that, right because it's not obviously not an area of need for the Arizona Cardinals. So to me, I'm looking at corner I think that is their primary need, and I think there's a possibility that Caleb Farley might actually be there at sixteen and day before you go, here's the GM Steve kyme, when he was asked about the cornerback position in this year's draft, it's a deep corner draft. Pick your poison. You know, these guys are

all a little different. There are guys that can play inside and outside in this draft, some guys that can only play outside with their length and their movement skills. So I really feel good about about that position. It's amazing, Dave. When you named all the top receivers, they're all from the SEC, and you could add Terrence Marshall, Elijah Moore. I mean, the top six arguably are all from the SEC. Well, the two top corners are from the SEC. So if

you want to get a real gauge. And if these guys can play, they obviously want to go up against some fierce competition. And Patrick Curtin and JC Horn. So I got two things here, guys, gaus listen to your conversation. First of all, we need to know what do the Cardinals think of Byron Murphy. Do they view him as still a potential number one quarterback where they drafted him, you would think that, I mean, they were expecting him eventually to emerge as a number one shut down corner.

He hasn't yet, But do they think that he can? And if they do, then maybe they don't go in that direction, or if they go in that direction, they do it later in the draft. I look at corner in this draft the way I look at receiver. If Patrick Curtin and JC Horne are still around ten eleven somewhere in there, do I look to try to move up because I don't think either guy's going to be there at sixteen. And if both guys are gone, just like if those other three guys are gone, at wide receiver,

I'm going to a different position. I'm not touching Caleb Farley. I'm not touching him. There's too many injury questions. I think he's gonna slip and the other players Greg Newsome, Asante Samuel, I think you can get those guys a little bit later. So I'm going elsewhere. Maybe even at that point you go best player and you say you know what you know, because I still think guys. Am I wrong at that Outside of quarterback, you could say that there's a need everywhere, and I'm talking about a

team that was on the cusp of the playoffs. Sure you have a need an inside linebacker. Still, you've a needed outside linebacker. You haven't need a safety. You have Buddha Baker, but there's somebody else that you need eventually to pair with him. You have Isaiah Simmons, who you're high on, but at some point you need to have another player to pair an inside linebacker that you think can be a game changer. So I'm looking at everything, but for again, if those guys are gone, for me,

I just I'm not touching Farley at sixteen. The only thing I would say to you, David is there are needs and then there are needs, all right, you know, And that I think is what we're talking about right here. Yeah, You've got needs everywhere for the most part, I think Steve Kim has done a great job going out and addressing those needs in free agency. That's what free agency I think he's using it for is going into the draft.

You don't have this need that suddenly makes you draft somebody or reach for somebody when you shouldn't be doing that. So I think he wants to cover all his bases going into the draft. I think he's done a good job of that. Frankly, that's just me I do and that's why I started this conversation. Corner is the only area where it looks like there's an obvious need, and Wolf, could I put it this way, there are needs starting next year. Today's point. You know at pass rusher Chandler

Jones in the last year of his deal. You know Marcus Golden and JJ Watt thirty plus years of age. Inside linebacker Jordan Hicks in the last year of his contract. We get it offensive line to one year deals in there, guys. Deals are expiring, Okay, but then there are needs this year, and that one need, at least to me, is corner.

And I'm with you, Dave. I think the underreported speculation, if you will, is if that guy is on the board at eight or nine, if Sir tanner Horn is on the board eight to nine, and most figure they will be after the run on quarterbacks. If you want to get in front of Dallas at number ten, there might be a trade coming. Or if Dallas goes corner and there's one leftover at number eleven, I could see

that Dave going after because I agree with you. If you're at sixteen, those two guys are gone yet that point, you trade down and still can get that next tier down cornerback. And then I think the other thing is interesting because I'm with you, Paulia. I think you're going to have probably one defensive player going to top ten, and it might be at number ten. So do you look at the teams in front of you and say, okay, do they need a corner No, let's go get one

of those guys. Or do you say, you know what, Micah Parsons is still there, he might drop. Don't sleep on Zaven Collins. Yes. Also, I think that the Cardinals have a need to me an inside linebacker. Jordan Hicks to me is not the guy, and you drafted Isaiah Simmons. But you know at some point again, your middle of your defense has to be. You could look and say, yeah, it's receivers outside, but I mean, guy, you need linebackers that can cover. You need linebackers that can tackle, You

need linebackers that can rush the passer. Isaiah Simmons, is that Zaven Collins is at Michael Parsons is a freak Again, I dont think you'll be gone, But hey, Zaven Collins at six five, two hundred sixty pounds, I mean, is he really a Mike linebacker at two six six five, Yes, yes, but he if he didn't play at Tulsa, the guy probably goes at siven or eight. Well, okay, so there's a guy that you could trade back, Paulie, you could trade back Collects. I wouldn't mess around. I wouldn't do it.

If he's there, I think I'm looking seriously at taking him. I wouldn't take the risk of trading back. And all of a sudden he's gone. A lot of people think that twenty five to thirty was where he was originally going to go, but he is climbing up draft boards. If you read the latest stuff, and if it's a copycat league and we know it is, look what Tampa just did. They just wrote Devin White and Lavonte David and we know back in the days Luke Keikley and

Thomas Davis. Fred Warner is in your division. Bobby Wagner's in your division. I could see it. You know, we'll see if that guy is there, that might be the position that we're not talking about. We continue with our pre draft edition of the Big Red Rage, presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. Isaiah Simmons is our guy. Here we go, Isaiah, this is coach Kingsman. Congratulations, you're a hell of a player and we're looking forward to putting you on the field right away. We're gonna make I

was amazed that Isaiah Simmons got passed. Caroline too. My dreams were becoming a reality. Do you watch him cover ground on a football foot, you watch him tackle, you watch them pick up balls? Its skill set is out of this world. I'm gonna take a shot on the Cardinals. I just like it. Talent on talent and a lot of attitude come in in the season. There we go. That was an excited and exuberant Steve Guime on Draft Night twenty twenty. How do we know that well, because

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Thursday night. Paul calvic Ron, Wolfley and the Voice of the Cardinals Day a year in the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert, So, gentlemen, there was a Bucky Brooks mock draft that came out and I respected NFL draft analysts NFL dot Com, and at number sixteen he had the Cardinals going running back and Najie Harris. Now, Dave, you've called several of his games at Alabama. Your thoughts when you saw that. I don't think the Cardinals would

take him at sixteen. I think he's I think he's going to be a really good NFL player. To me, that's a little high to take a running back, especially because I think there are other needs of the Cardinals have guys I like Chase Edmonds, I do, and I think James Conner gives them exactly what they needed, someone who compliments him. And I'm not sure about some of the younger running backs. We didn't get to see them last year because we didn't have a training camp, we

didn't have preseason games. Who knows about some of these young guys. I've always felt like, and Chase Edmonds was a mid round pick, right, You can find guys at that position unless they're home run. I mean, Todd Gurley was a top ten pick and he was a home run for a while. And you know, now he's older

and he's had injuries and he's on the downside. But when I'm looking at number sixteen, I want a player that I think is going to be there for ten years, twelve years, and running backs just don't last that long. And I think that's why I'm not taking Naji Harris at sixteen. Yeah, the problem with Todd Gurley was giving him the massive second contract and then a year later they had to pull the plug, and yeah, that was a disaster for the Rams. And given the second contract.

It's interesting, well, because you remember we had Rashad Johnson recently on the big Red rage here and he is the former Cardinals safety who is now part of the broadcast team and a radio analyst for BAMA. So he has a lot of insight into Naji Harris. And here was his comparison with Derreck Henry. Nagie Harris has the power that Derrick Henry has in a different form. Derek Long speech faster, I think than Naji, but I think

short area quickness in terms of making defenders miss. Naji's very special at that man tremendous spin move and I actually think he's a better route runner in one on one matchup out of the backfield. So I mean, if you want a guy that you know thirteen personnel bruise you and can do that, you know there's gonna weigh on you in four quarters. But now he's a guy that's gonna weigh on you in four quarters in a different way because he can wear you out in the

run games but also on third down. I mean, he's tremendous out of the backfield. When you talk about Naji Harris, guys, you have to talk about who else could possibly be there at sixteen? Right? Who else could be there at sixteen? I honestly I'm gonna draft a running back in the first round if he's Earl Campbell. Okay, that and that is going to be my standard. I'm gonna draft him in the first round if I think he's an absolute freak. Do you think Naji Harris is that? Would you call

him that now? Because somebody he's close though, you know, Paul, I mean he he's really really close. He's a man who's six one, two hundred and thirty two pounds with great athleticism and a guy that will truck you from time to time. A guy that is very underrated in terms of being able to catch the ball and come out of the backfield. A guy that is a true run down running back first and ten second and one to six. When you think about the goals Steve Kim

said he had this offseason, what were they, guys? You know, Number one, get more physical. Number two leadership, which is culture to me in that locker room, bring that in. Those were his two goals right there. I think Naji Harris checks both of those boxes. But where did he get picked? Right here? Excuse me? Where did Derrick Henry get picked second round? Exactly? So that's another reason why

I agree that Naji Harris all those things he just said. Wolf. Yeah, I agree with Rashant, but I'm just not taking up at sixteen. You know what, guys, that would be like, oh man, sixteen, that's a little height. It t yes, because I love what it says about the direction of this offense going forward. We're gonna blend the old and the new and become more physical. I would love that. I get it. James Connor's on a one year deal, but he's only twenty six and he is that big back,

and I'm with Dave Chase Edmonds intrigue. Now, the one game they gave him twenty plus carries a year ago against the Dolphins didn't go so well. He average less than three yards of carry, so I'm not sure he's in every down back Chase Edmonds. But I do like the pairing of the James Connor and Chase Edmonds. We'll see it's too high for me in round one, but you know what, everybody gets a pick when we come back. Perdiction time at the big Red Range presented by Santan

four in Gilbert. I don't know where Jimmy g was throwing that fall. I don't know either, I can't guarantee that anybody in the world will be alive Sunday, so I can't guarantee who will be on our roster on Sunday. So that goes for all of us. Smoke him if you got him, says Kyle Shanahan. Apparently there's a chance we might all be wiped out like the dinosaurs by Sunday. So there you go. That was his way of deflecting the question, right there, Well done, Kyle. Okay, there you go.

So we're officially ready for the NFL Draft, are we not. I think that was the last hurdle right there. It's become silly season time. And here on the Big Red Rage, presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert Yours truly, Paul kelvc ron Wilfully, the voice of the Cardinals Day Pash our special guest around the horn, we go. Dave is our guest. You can go first. We need a prediction. Where do you think the Cardinals going round one, number sixteen overall? Maybe they trade down, maybe they trade up. But we

want a draft position and a name. So if you stay at sixteen and you don't move up or move down, I think all the players that you really covet are going to be gone. But I do think it's possible one of two players, one offense and one defense that a lot of teams and I'm assuming the Cardinals have these guys rated high as well, are going to drop. One is Elijah Vera Tucker from USC, an offensive lineman who can play four positions, and the Cardinals need an

offensive lineman who can come start right away. The other guy is Zaven Collins from Tulsa, who is an absolute freak who because he went to Tulsa, nobody's talking about, but he was the player of the year defensively in college football ahead of all those guys are in the SEC that we talked about, and I think a lot of teams have a very high grade on him and they're hoping that he slides. I wouldn't take a chance if one of those two guys are there, I don't

trade down. I take Fia Tucker or I take Zaven Collins, and I think that's what the Cardinals are going to do. Rob, Well, you aren't killing me, David. I'm gonna just showed men trade here, our producer. I just showed him number sixteen. Elijah Vera Tucker. That's who I would take if he is there at number sixteen, and I think there's a real possibility he's gonna be there at number sixteen. If I'm gonna trade down, I'm gonna trade down to twenty one,

twenty three, somewhere in that range. And I would draft Zaven Collins. I know that he's climbing draft boards, but I would I would take a runner on him and hope that we got our third and fourth round pick back. Well, there's no way both are you all right? So I'm not going Elijah Vera Tucker. I think that Micah Parsons, because of the character concerns, will slide, and I agree with you, Dave. I think the two corners are gonna

be gone. All three receivers are gonna be gone. It's gonna be tempting to trade down, get a pick and then also take the next level cornerback, whether it's Newsome, whether it's a Sante Samuel Junior, maybe Kay Barley and hope for the best. Although this injury record just terrifies me. But I think Micah Parsons slides and the Cardinals get their inside linebacker pairing Isaiah Simmons and Parsons for the

next near decade. That's my thought on that one, and we'll see as the Cardinals try and match wits in the NFC West. Otherwise, as I said earlier, guys, maybe they do trade up. It's the one thing we haven't heard about, and a lot of times is what we haven't heard that ends up being the obvious move and going up and maybe making a deal in that regard for the corner that they need so desperately to replaced. Patrick Peterson. Be so awesome to see Zavian Collins and

Isaiah Simmons on the field at the same time. I'm good with that. Would you be all right with that, David? I'm good that. A special thanks, Dave, thank you for the time. We appreciate it. I'll see you Thursday night for our draft coverage. Ron Wolf, Paul Calve you see. Special thanks Jim, I'm uncom and Mitch Erraldis. This has been the Big Red Rage. Number one. You've been listening to The Big Red Rage presented by Sam Tanford in

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