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and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Hacy Cardinals dot com, Slash podcasts, The Reds Rising Guard, Temperaturizing vision, blurring, rage taking over. Here's Paul Calvci. I'm ready. I'm one hundred percent ready. I'm telling you I'm ready. And Ron Wolflee, it doesn't get any better than that. Unleash the fjard, you know, when it comes to the Arizona Cardinals head Coaching Search two thousand and twenty three, when it comes to casting that net far and wide. My opinion, thanks

for asking, Ron Wolfley. I don't really care about the when, or the where or even the how. I ultimately just care about the who and the why, and then the who else? Who's that coach bringing along as part of his staff. That's all I care about, because once upon a time, the Arizona Cardinals were what they were dead last in hiring Bruce Arians. Did that work out pretty well?

Were their immediate returns on investment from that higher once upon a time twenty thirteen, Yes, there were rhetorical question ten years ago that was the case. So okay, we're going to get into all this and more on this addition to the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are Santanford, Paul KLVCI, Ron Wolfley, and speaking of who our big guest tonight, Drew Stanton, because

the former Cardinals quarterback and longtime NFL quarterback. I mean, he's had first time head coaches, he's had experienced head coaches, he's had offensive and defensive head coaches. He's had anybody and everybody under the sun, and so we'll get his thoughts and also he's had a rehab from season ending injuries. We'll talk about Kyler and Monty and Penning free agents, but right now we're on woefully your thoughts and just

where things stand with his head coaching search. As yet another interview was conducted today reportedly with Brian Callahan, the Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator. Yeah, POULI you know, for me, I've got to start with this. I got to start with Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray himself right now. Well, we're talking about Sean Payton of course out there in whether or not Sean Payton was going to be the perfect fit to get Kyler Murray right. And we're talking about

defensive minded coaches. You know how much I like defensive minded coaches coming in here to be the next head coach for the Arizona Cardinals. How are they going to impact Kyler Murray? You know it, As I've been saying for weeks, Paully, does Kyler Murray think he's got to get right? Does Kyler Murray think you have to answer that question? I think first, Paully, and I think Kyler

knows that. I think this rehab is an excellent opportunity for Kyler to come to the waters and be water, so to speak, and allow himself to learn the game of football all over again and recommit himself to becoming the best que he can be. Polly, that has got to happen first. Only then will whoever the head coach is for the Arizona Cardinals and the next head coach. Only then will he be able to actually improve Kyler's game.

All right, So like this week, Brian Callahan interviewed today, reportedly former quarterback coach with the Lions and the Raiders and obviously with Cincinnati and Lou Amarumo. He was a yesterday. Now he's a defensive coordinator for the Cincinnati Bengals. On Tuesday, Mike Kafka, the offensive coordinator for the Giants, also known as a quarterback guru. He worked with Patrick Mahomes and look at the be foreign after this year when he came on board with the Giants and Daniel Jones. But

I'm intrigued. Why are you intrigued by a defensive head coach? Yeah, PAULI, that's a great question, it really is. But largely because of three three things. Number One, it gives that head coach who's a defensive minded head coach. It gives separation to Kyler Murray. I doubt he's going to be the quarterback coach. I doubt he's going to be the offensive coordinator. I doubt he's going to meddle in any of that.

He's basically going to be separated from a lot of the day to day, the meeting to meeting, the practice to practice. He's going to be separated from Kyler Murray a lot. I like that. I think they need to bring a guy in who is going to be a true alpha mel He's going to be the guy. I'm the head coach. You're the quarterback, you're the defensive tackle, you're the offensive tackle. You guys are players. I'm the head coach. I'm going to command this room. I'm going

to command this room. I think that's important. Polly. You know that I'm old school. I'm not going to apologize for being that, but I think that's the next head coach coming in here. That's job one for him. So a true CEO just by default, because you're a defensive minded head coach, that's separate. Yeah, that's number one, Polly.

Number two, we've got young defensive players, of course on this roster that are really really good guys like Isaiah Simmons and Zaven Collins and Marco Wilsons and oh, by the way, if you actually take somebody with a number three pick overall, there's a real good chance that's going to be a defensive player as well. Now you've got these young guys, Polly, that you want to bring along, and I think having a defensive minded head coach will

really benefit them. Plus, I think defense could be a strength when you factor in improvement from Zaven Collins and Isaiah Simmons and Marco Wilson and Buddha Baker. We all know good he is, Jalen Thompson, Zach Allen, Paul, if you can sign Zach Allen and bring him back, and Byron Murphy as well, those two I think are really critical signings bringing back this offseason as unrestricted free agents. So I think that's number two Paulie and number three

for me. It's just the fact the defensive minded head coach has the kind of mentality more than not, Paul every defensive coordinator I have been around, or a defensive minded head coach, they just have a mentality that focuses more on the physicality of the game, and I like that. It's a big red rage. In fact, we're gonna ask Drew stand about some of those penning free agents next.

I'm also going to ask him about first time head coach versus experienced head coach, because when you look at the list as it stands right now, with three teams having made their hires, the Carolina Panthers going for Frank Wright, Denver Broncos Sean Payton, Houston Texans Demiko Ryans, and it sounds like that's preordained from the get go, Damiko Ryan's being a longtime team captain with the Texans, his wife

being from the Houston area. So if you look at the Cardinals list, there are three prominent names who are defensive guys. Brian Flores, former head coach in the Miami Dolphins, who's interviewed, of course, Vance Joseph Cardinals defensive coordinator, former head coach of the Broncos back in the day when his quarterback was like Trevor Simeon. And then Detroit defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn, who reportedly will have a second interview

upcoming with the Cardinals. Now, two of those three were former head coaches. How important is that to you in the mix? Yeah, it is important to me. It doesn't mean I'm right on that, Polly, you know, it doesn't. I'm gonna make that really really clear. But for me, I like a guy that has head coaching experience right now, for me, if you're just asking me, Polly, there are two guys, and it's Brian Flores and Vance Joseph. Those two guys right there that I would love to see

get hired. Now, I know you can only hire one of them. But take Brian Flores. I think he might be the front runner. And the reason why I say that for two reasons. Largely Number one is Monti assen Forts and his relationship with Monty and they worked together PAULI right back in the Patriots Organization for a lot of years, and well at least Monty did, of course, but they worked together in the Patriot Organization, and you know,

so I like that exposure to each other. Maybe they've got a little bit of Billicheck in him in regard to the synergy and how Bill thinks. So I like that, And also too, I would say the outsider, the outsider approach of bringing in up Brian Flores where he really doesn't know Kyler Murray on a professional level, where they're working day in and day out together, I think somebody outside the organization has a better chance of producing real change in this offense with Kyler Murray. Of course, at

the helm I could be wrong on that, Paulie. But I think the familiarity with Vance Joseph in the season that was twenty twenty two actually works against fans and that sucks. Buttermilk, it's not fair. It isn't but it's a reality. I think it is. I get it. You know you're guilty by association in a lot of ways

with a four and thirteen campaign. I'll just say this in regards to Vance Joseph, if you're looking for someone with immediate inside knowledge, yes, of where the solutions are and where the problems are and maybe which players fit under either category heading, Vance Joseph knows as well as anyone. Yes, he comes in with that competitive advantage. Now, whether he's

too Pollie, I just want to jump in. You know who knows that best is the Arizona Cardinals, the organization and Michael Michael Bidwell of course, and they know that best. What is going to work with Kyler? Is it gonna be maybe somebody I'm not saying they're just going to do it because it's somebody from the outside, but is it going to be somebody from the outside or somebody from the within that they already know Kyler Murray? Interesting question.

I'm just guessing that when you held the interview with Vance Joseph, it was probably a lot more advanced and detailed about the state of the team and the roster, yeah, and what he would do and who would stay and who would go than any other candidate, just because he has such an internal knowledge from the past four years. The other thing that we don't know what might separate every one of these candidates is who's the coordinator they're

bringing with him. If you're a defensive guy like Brian Floores Advanced Joseph, who's your rose that could be a deciding factor obviously, just like one of these defensive guys, you know, are offensive guy with their defensive coordinator. Hey, it's episode fifty five of The Day Pash Podcast, featuring actor and comedian Frank Caliando. I laughed just thinking about it. It's a great listen be its wit er find it at Pashpod. Drew stand former Cardinals quarterback, next on The

Big Red Rage. I feel like the experiences that I've had at the three organizations that I've been with, I'm going to take pieces from each of those organizations. Things that I've learned, things that I liked processes that I'll keep, but I'm also going to put my own spin on them. This is not a wastrius and repeat of someplace else.

What works in one building is not just easily transferable to another building, but there are foundational elements that can be taken from each of those buildings and has helped form who I am. And that's what I'm going to bring here to this organization as we continue this move to make the football operations the way we want them

to run. As new GM Monte Austin Ford searching for a new head coach, the most definitely will be a new roster and will sometime soon, at least according to Fox, There'll be a new number one analyst in the booth, earning three hundred and seventy five million dollars over ten years. That would have clips the three hundred thirty three million he made during his twenty three year playing career. Those

are the contract numbers of Tom Brady. Of course, Tony Romo earns ten years, one hundred eighty million with CBS. I'm just throw that out there because you know, at some point, maybe in the future, the two of us will be saying, you know, once upon a time we were on Cardinals broadcasts with former Cardinals quarterback Drew Stanton, who's now earning the big money in a big booth somewhere on network TV. But that is in the future.

For now, it is the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert Paul KLBC, Ron Wolfley and Drew Stanton, who does or does not have designs on trying to go ahead and pursue network TV at some point, Drew, what is your future career path? That's a great question. If there's any correlation between their playing careers how much money they made, then I'm probably gonna have to go a different direction than those guys. So, you know, I've

enjoyed being a part of the Cardinals broadcasting team. It's been great to be able to spend time with you guys and see it from a different lens. And the thing that's been most exciting for me is kind of being able to be an analyst from the standpoint of educating from a player's perspective. Not that Wolf doesn't do a good job of that, We just, you know, sometimes the varying viewpoints. No, that is honestly, it's a great answer by you and it's a great observation as well.

Speaking of observing, what about the coaching search that is going on right now, whether Arizona Cardinals. What is your general overall thoughts on what is happening right now? Drew, Well, you know we talked about it on the Red Sea Report. They wanted to cast a wide net and they needed to be able to do it and get a general manager in place. And as we heard Monteasinfort talk about, he is going to be a product of his experiences that he's been. He's bet in some great places. It's

all about collaboration, right. You have to have a leader, but then you have to be able to take feedback. You've got to be able to take criticism, and there's going to be errors along the way. You have to be able to correct those errors. You've got to get on the same page and you've got to find a head coach with the same vision as you. And it doesn't necessarily have to be an exits and os guy.

It's got to be a guy that's going to stand up in front of the room, commander room, be a leader of men that can motivate guys, can connect with all guys on the roster in the building. You know, the gate head coaches that I've been around, they do it a lot of different ways, and there's no two ways that you have to do it. You just have to authentically be yourself. And they're coming into a situation, well, look, you've got to get the most out of a franchise

quarterback that's coming off of an injury. You've got some pieces in place, but there's also a ton of question marks. Drew to what degree does the team take on the identity of its head coach? Oh, I think completely right. I mean, look, the most exposure that we have when we are in season, and Wolf can attest to this is the men in that locker room, and it's the

people that you're around and all these things. And look, if there's a great culture that exists and people are excited to go to work and you are looking at your head coach and he's empowering you, pushing you and doing all the things that you need to do throughout the course of a grueling season, you're going to be better off for it. And then you're going to come together and every year is different. No two years are

the same in the NFL. I mean, you can look down in Jacksonville, right, you see urban Meyer, a college coach that doesn't really fit Boom. You insert a very similar roster with a completely different human being as a head coach, and he'd instilled confidence them. He was a whole different shift culturally in one season, which it's possible you've seen this occur. But at the same time, you have to have conviction of the head coach. You have to have things that you're going to stand on and

a foundation, much like Bruce arians of trust, loyalty, and respect. Right, those were words that meant something to us. That's what we took on of trusting the person next to you, respecting your teammates, respecting the game, respecting all of these things. And you've got to be able to trust the process that it's going to take to get there, because sometimes it's not going to be pretty, it's not going to be easy. But it's a group of men. That's the

band of brothers. They came together through thick and thin that when it comes time to be able to rely on them, you know, without a shadow of a doubt the person next to you is in the flight with you. Really don't want to drive this into the ground at all. But where were you on the Sean Payton um search and whether or not Sean Payton was going to be the next head coach for the Arizona Cardinals And where would you like to see the Cardinals go after Sean Payton?

Are you referencing when I stuck my split in my mouth on Tuesday and said Sean Payton only wanted the Dallas job. It did, Paul, I didn't know. I didn't know, but I love them. I am smiling because we were both wrong, Drew, So there you go, Yeah, yeah, you know, right. So and anyways, Uh, that's the thing with the owners. They have the ability to write these these checks that they can cash, so they went out and got Sean Payton. I think he would have been a tremendous higher here, right.

I think that when you look at a head coach, there's a certain set of requirements and when you look at the offensive court, it is a completely different set of circumstances. He is the one unique person that I think can do both of those jobs extremely well. And it's hard to find the balance to be able to

manage a game. And when we saw it firsthand with Cliff, it's really hard to be able to do both of those extremely well at a high level in a high press or situation and make a split second decision and have it be right or have it not. The second guest by everybody. So Sean Payton is a lead from the standpoint of the personnelity he puts on the field, how comfortable he makes the quarterback. He is going to find what your weaknesses and he's going to expose it.

If he needs to run the ball forty times, if he needs to throw the ball forty times, or be completely balanced, he has the capability to disperse the ball and do so many things and create mismatches. And that's really what you're looking for. Offensively, you want to be the aggressor. Sean has done that, but he's done it masterfully as far as having control of an entire organization. I mean, that's why they were just so good for so long and why he was so highly sought after.

So you know, it's unfortunate that they couldn't get it done here. He is going to have success wherever he goes. I firmly believe that. But you look at what's here, what's now, and again, what needs to be done as far as this organization, and Manti Asenfort is going to put his stamp on it and hire the person he thinks is best fit to be able to take this nucleus and build, as he said, not just for next year,

but an organization that has sustainable success. Last question on the head coaching search, it's Drew Stand on the Big Red Rage present of by santan Ford and Gilbert first time head coach versus an experienced head coach. How big a deal is that to you? Vance, Joseph, Brian Flores, former head coaches, you know, candidates like today's INTERVIEWEE Brian Callahan yesterday Lou and Rumo. You know, if you have Aaron Glenn coming in reportedly for a second interview, those

guys would be first time head coaches. How big a deal do you think that is? Demanti Asenfort, You know, that's a great question. I don't think it necessarily is a requirement to have head coaching experience. I think sometimes the perception of ben there, done that, or some of these guys that haven't had success. Can they learn from their failures? Can they make those corrections to the errors that maybe transpired to them getting fired? In the first place.

I think again it comes down to is there a plan in place that people feel comfortable about, and then you know that plan is going to have to adjust overtime. It's going to have to adapt throughout the course of a season between roster manipulation and all of these things of what that initial vision is going to be. And I honestly think that so many NFL organizations are trying

to get ahead of the curve. That's why we saw the Sean mcvayh's of the world get hired so young and have success, because it doesn't have to have a direct correlation between experience and all of this stuff. I remember talking with a coach when I was in the NFL and play, and you know, he always referred to the number of years that he had in the NFL coaching, and I was like, that doesn't automatically make you a

coach just based off of that. You know, thirty years of bad she can still be thirty years of bad coaching. So I say that in reference to young guys that are energized and can come in there and have an infectious personality. I think there's pros and cons to experience or also again based off of what was at their disposal. Some of these head coaches that are younger, you know, might have been handcuffed their first time around, I might not have had the opportunity to really put their imprint

on it. And so again, I think it's more about the candidate really than looking at does he have head coaching experience? So drew in terms of the free agents that the Arizona Cardinals have on their team unrestricted free agents and who you would like to see them bring back, thinking of Zach Allen and Byron Murphy and Kelvin Beecham and Will Hernandez in particular, where do you start when you look at those four guys in particular, and what

do you think about bringing them back? Yeah, look, I think they've been great contributors and any team that I been a part of and any team that was any good, and you look at even now the super Bowl teams, you've got to be able to win in the trenches. And that's again I've got an easy cop out answer from a quarterbacks perspective, but I would make an effort to look at the consistency that you got out of Calibm Beacham this year and started as many games as

he did well. Hernandez was on a one year deal. I would love to bring those guys back to keep some continuity. Byron Murphy had a back injury, couldn't play, but was playing at a high level, trying to earn that second contract. And again, Zach Allen has just taken off every year he's gotten better healthy. He had a tremendous year. The problem is always going to be, you know,

the salary cap. But if you can find a way to get those four guys back in the building, it's going to be a huge asset again of just the familiarity of what it means and the pride that it takes to be a part of this organization. Right super Bowl. Look, we could get into, you know, a lot of different angles. Let me ask you one specific from a quarterback perspective, from the perspective of Jail and Hurts and that offensive staff with the Eagles, Kansas City runs out there, three

rookie corners and a rookie safety who are regulars. Why hasn't anyone really been able to expose that yet? And do you think the Eagles will? Well, I think that it's tough to expose because they get after the quarterback, right, it's hard to throw the ball when you're on your back. And you know, as much as Spags wants to pressure you, as the defensive coordinator, who's going to come and bring

different looks and do all these things. And I'm just so curious to see if one of these teams can jump out to a lead, because both of them have shown capability of jumping on people early and never looking back and being able to do these things. And these are two dynamic quarterbacks, two quarterbacks that obviously are at the top of what it takes to be elite in the MVP race for this year, and it's going to

be extremely difficult. At the same time, I think with the background that they have and the experience they've had. Now again, these rookies are coming in so prepared. It's not like you know, back in the when you might not know what's going on or any of these things. And look, they're also if you're bringing a bunch of pressure, then you're gonna be playing man demand. And all you gotta do when you're playing man demand is guard the

guy across from you. Now, the guys across from them in the Super Bowl just so happened to be all the variations of Batman, and so you've got to deal with a j. Brown and DeVante Smith and Quez Walking. They are a dynamic group and that is what makes them so difficult to defend, is they have the capability to disperse the ball to so many different people that every single guy on that defense is going to have to be able to cover down. They're gonna have to be able to hold their own and they do it

through different looks. They try to disguise. They'll put safeties over the top and double people, but there's only so many guys you can double when you are out there on a football field, and quarterbacks are capable of finding those one on one matchups. And then you also throw Dallas Goddard into the mix and it's like, okay, they've

got a very good tight end. Not quite as good as Jason Travis Kelsey at this point, but again, the amount of star power on each of these offenses is just tremendous and it's going to be so much fun to watch the Super Bowl. So when you think of the quarterbacks in this Super Bowl, and you said quarterbacks an awful lot there, Drew being part of the quarterback club.

So I understand that. But my friend, when you look at this, when you look at Jalen Hurts and Pat Mahomes, of course, what are your first thoughts on the quarterback matchup in the Super Bowl. Well, I think the first thing is is you look at Patrick Mahomes and I am just completely enamored with what he's been able to accover and I really think you go back to the beginning. I mean, we were all unfortunately witnessed that game one against the Arizona car. He came into this season on

a mission. I think he had enough talk of Joe Burrow and Josh Allen and everybody else about how all of these quarterbacks are so elite, and he didn't do anything except for put his head down and just go to work. He just worked, and you can see there's a different tone, there's a different demeanor, there's a different pep in his step. That though he's accomplished a lot and they've hosted five straight AFC Championship games, he realizes, Hey,

our windows wide open right now. Much like Joe Burrow talked about, these guys have to be able to capitalize. And then you look at somebody across from him, and Jalen hurts that just methodically has just taken his time. Again, that has taken a lot of hardship, is dealt with trial as well of okay, well he got bets for two and then you know, had to sit out and then all of these things. Second round pick just getting a chance to biden his time, but then when the

time comes, he makes the most of it. And again it's just this the persona of these guys, and that's really what these teams take on, right. You look at what they're able to do with the number one Seeds, and these quarterbacks are the leaders, the unquestionable leaders in that locker room, and you see that personality carry over to everybody. And when his play needs to be made,

they're looking at these guys to make it. There's no question in their mind that either one of them are able to go out there and win a football game for you. So again, this is exactly what the NFL wants. Two number one seeds, a marquee matchup, two unbelievable quarterbacks, two phenomenal teams. Right, and I think you look at all of the storylines that go into it, between Sirianni being in Kansas City, and then obviously Andy Reid being

in Philadelphia for as long as he was. It is the hype is going to be real and it's going to be an exciting game. Yeah, it's first team All Pro against second team All Pro and Patrick Mahomes against Jalen Hurts. All right, down the stretch we come with Drew stan former Cardinals quarterback. Let's run the no huddle here, Drew a quick response, rapid fire on three quarterback questions? Number one? Do you believe your former Tampa teammate Tom Brady is retired? Done? You think he's done with his

NFL playing days? Yes? Okay, all right, good Aaron Rodgers? Do you think he's done in Green Bay? Does he play at Lambeau or elsewhere? Next year? Green Bay and the Niners quarterback situation, Trey Lance or Brock Purty, where do you think they end up going when it's all said and done, when they're all both healthy? Oh? I think I think they'll both be in San Francisco. Really? WHOA,

it's affordable, right? I mean Brock Purty as the last pick of the draft and you traded three first round picks or Trey Lance, So I'm guessing you're not going to get nearly that much if you trade him away, So yeah, you're probably And that might be why Tom Brady retired because he realized the Niners aren't going to bring him into his former hometown team. Maybe just maybe, yeah,

or twenty three years, there's plenty of that's true. And an he has ten years, three hundred and seventy five million awaiting him as become full circles, So that could be it. Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, Drew, thank you as always, we appreciate the insight. And uh and and you know what I tell you. You look at this, uh, you look at this super Bowl coming up should be a good one. The last NFL MVP to win a

Super Bowl. And I bring that up because Patrick Mahomes and Jamalin Hurts are both among the five finalists for the award. Would you care to guess there's a Cardinals connection to the last guy to win NFL MVP and the Super Bowl in the same season, Ron Wolfley, Drew Stantard, there is a big picture of him. I'm staring at right now. Number thirteen. Kurt Warner nineteen ninety nine, the last regular season MVP and super Bowl winner in NFL history. Drew,

thank you appreciate it. Of course I always did a document he gets Drew. There you go, Drew Stanton on The Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert We are santan Ford. More on the Chiefs. Do you hear what Travis Kelsey said about the key to a team that is in its third Super Bowl in four years? That is next on the Big Red Rage and over the champions City Chiefs are going to the Super Bowl

for the third time in four years. The Chiefs win the AFC Championship and get revenge against the Bengals twenty three to twenty The final arrowhead it'll be the Chiefs and the Eagles in Super Bowl fifty seven. Right here in the az I in Eagle Westwood won. That was the final call the AFC Championship as the Chiefs beat the Bengals and they advanced to Super Bowl. Sunday, February twelfth, Paul KALVC Ron Wolfley The Big Red Rage presented by

santan Ford in Gilbert, we Are santan Ford. Funny how the last two teams standing wolf are elite when it comes to the quarterback and getting to the quarterback. Funny how that works, right, Yeah, now you're right about that, Paul. Yet it maybe the team that runs the ball the best in this Super Bowl that ends up winning the game, right, you're right. I mean, if you're asking me for my key to the game, you know, you know what, I'm gonna save that for a little bit later. I'm just

gonna say this. You know, you look at the Cardinals and obviously in special thanks to Drew Standon and that was some great stuff talking about the head coaching search and beyond. But look at the two rosters, look at the talent both sides have just piled up, right, both gms. In fact, Travis Kelsey and we talked about this with Drew.

Here's the quote I was talking about. When Travis Kelsey was asked about this success of a Chiefs team that's been to five straight AFC Championships that's in the Super Bowl for the third time in four years. His quote was, I don't know if you've ever heard of a guy named Brett Veach who's the Chiefs GM, but he has

brought in some amazing talent, says Travis Kelsey. He put this team together where the best team in the AFC because of what he's been able to do on top of what these coaches have been able to do in

terms of teaching these guys how to make plays. And at the end of that game, there were rookies everywhere for Kansas City making places in the secondary on the punt return by sky More, the seventh round rookie running back Isaiah Pacheco, who's running back one right Now, you know they were able to lose talent but add talent via the draft, and it just shows you if you get that element of it right, you can be competitive right away. Now, You're right, Polly, that you can be competitive.

We see it all the time in the National Football League. We see the worst to first. It's across the league. That's something that I think is well established. We see teams go from first to worse as a matter of fact. So there's a lot of movement that can happen, of course in the National Football League. This game, this game, I think is going to be a great matchup. I hope it doesn't turn into a shootout, but I kind of feel like it will, Paul, really, okay, I do.

I kind of feel like it will. When you've got Patrick Mahomes. Of course in the Kansas City Chiefs. You're talking about the number one team in the National Football League in terms of scoring points, the Kansas City chief Right, They're gonna score points, and so is the Philadelphia Eagles. So I think, yeah, this is going to be a shootout. The quarterback that protects the ball, of course, and the offensive line that protects the quarterback. I think that is

going to be the key going forward. What's one of the ways you can actually protect that quarterback? You line up and you run the ball. Can the Kansas City Chiefs remain balanced enough to knock it one dimensional in this game? Because the Eagles pass rush is no joke. The Chiefs PAULI number two in the National Football League in terms of sacks per attempt allowed protecting Pat Mahomes. Pat Mahomes does not get sacked, he doesn't turn the

ball over their number two in third down offense. This is a high powered, well looped machined offensively, and the only thing that can deral it is the pass rush of the Philadelphia Eagles. Course, the first game of this season regular season, we saw Patrick Mahomes in person in the same stadium where this season will conclude State Farm Stadium, and he couldn't have been more impressive for a regular season debut. Three touchdown drives in the first three possessions.

What did you see in the AFC Championship with a banged up Patrick Mahomes. How much more did your respect grow for him in his game? You know the answer to that, Polly. Honestly, I mean we all, we all, I think, appreciate Patrick Mahomes, the humble guy that he is, for being the incredible talent that he is, the great quarterback that he is. He's body, soul, and spirit. He

really is the threefold nature of a man, Polly. I'm going to get all metaphysical on you right here, but it's it's the way that I believe and watch football. I see it through the prism of body, soul and spirit. And Patrick Mahomes has it all. He's got the spirit, he's got the brain, of course, and he works at his job and his teammates love him and respect him

because a bit he's got the guts. We all know about the physical talent of Pat Mahomes, the arm angles, the incredible talent that he is physically, but it's the guts. It's the soul of Pat Mahomes and that was on display for all to see in that AFC Championship game on that third down where he ran out of bounds to end the game. PAULI, I thought it was gonna

I thought it was gonna be over. Two minutes and thirty seconds and Joe Burrow has the ball on his own six yard line, ninety four yards to go down the field. I thought, that's it. He's gonna take him down. This is gonna be burrow Head all over again. This is gonna be the legend of Joe Burrow. In the swag of Joe Burrow. The table was set, two timeouts, go down the field in a twenty twenty game, somehow win the game with a field goal or get it in the end zone, either one. And it did not

happen for Joe Burrow. But there's Pat Mahomes suddenly getting the opportunity, and he did it. He pulled it down on that third and four, pulled it down, converted the first down, then got gunned in the back. It was

the correct call. It It was definitely a personal fall and that ended up winning the game for the Kansas City Chiefs, going back to that stop of Joe Burrow, that third down play that was made by Chris Jones sacked with forty one seconds ago, because there are a lot of people, a lot of NFL experts tweeting out the best player on the field in that game was actually number ninety five, Chris Jones, their defensive tackle extraordinaire,

who had eight quarterback pressures. And on those eight quarterback pressures there were three sacks, two by himself, five incompletions and not a single positive yard generated by the Bengals on the eight times he got a quarterback pressure, which to me, will think about it last year, Super Bowl Champion with Aaron Donald this year, how dominant Chris Jones has been. If Jalen Carter out of Georgia is that dude and he's on the board at number three. To me,

if you're the Arizona Cardinals, you can resist. If you can get that sort of game wrecker on the defensive interior defensive line, you gotta take him. Polly. I know that free technique hits the most destructive force in the football universe. It is very, very appealing. I just gotta watch the tape. You gotta watch the tape and you gotta say, does he give it every play? Is he in? Every down? Guy? Is that? Because we've seen a three technique that wasn't and every down guy, we have seen that.

You're absolutely right. You got to make sure the motor is there. I will agree with you on that. Otherwise I'm going to Will Anderson. You're right, hey. The season ticket priority listen is out there. Think about the team's coming in the Giants, the Cowboys, the Ravens, the Falcons and the Bengals. Godasy Cardinals dot com slash priority list for more info. We talk Eagles next on The Big

Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We got the five seconds and the Eagles have been the NFC's best team all season long Ceros on the clock, and they will carry that momentum with big wins in the Divisional round against the Giants and here in the Championship contri in San Francisco all the way to Arizona and Super Bowl fifty seven. The Philadelphia Eagles are going to the Super Bowl again. I'm ken finishing thirty one to

seven win over San Francisco. There you go. The final call NFC Championship Kevin Harland on Westwood One, setting up super Bowl fifty seven right here in the az the Philadelphia Eagles and the Kansas City Chiefs, in Factuvanna Holy can only stat here you go round Wolfley on the Big Red Race presented by santan Ford in Gilbert. You look like you need a stat Do you know? The team wearing the white jerseys has won fifteen of the

last eighteen Super Bowls? No way, and the Kansa City Chiefs are gonna be wearing white and the Eagles will be wearing their green. Oh my goodness, that, Paul, that is crazy. It is fifteen to the last eighteen Super Bowls. The team wearing white has hoisted the Lombardi Trophies. So whatever you want to make out of that, all I know is that the Philadelphia Eagles have had the easiest path to a Super Bowl that I've seen it a

long time. As they took care of the Giants, they routed them, Yes, they made them look bad, I get it. But then they got a San Francisco team where they knocked out the third string rookie quarterback on the first series, dealt with a four string quarterback for about a half, and then the Niners didn't even have a quarterback for the rest of the second half. So you tell me, did the Eagles not have the easiest pass you've seen it a long time to a Super Bowl? Yeah, I'm

not going to dispute that, Polly. But at the same time, when I think of the Philadelphia Eagles the very first place, I begin as Jalen Hurts. So I am sorry. All season long, I've been questioning Jalen Hurts. You know what it reminds me of And it pains me to say this right now. And I'm sure or Graybeard's gonna roll over wherever he is getting ready. Kurt Warner. I'm just saying, Kurt. It reminds me of Kurt in his rookie year when he was the guy that was out there getting the opportunity.

Oh my goodness, Look, Trent Green went down. Everybody. Now Kurt Warner comes in and the season he had and it was week after week after this is good. This is gonna be at right here. This is gonna be the week where the wheels fall off for this Warner kid. And we all know how that ended. Jalen Hurts, I coming into this season, the biggest question mark surrounding the Philadelphia Eagles was Jalen Hurts. And there's no disputing that. Everyone knew they had a pretty good roster after that.

But Jalen Hurts, who was the question mark? How was he gonna do? He had? He flashed the year before. He flashed a little bit. But it wasn't like the Eagles weren't you know. It wasn't like they weren't looking for another possible quarterback they could bring in in the off seat. And there was a lot of talk about that. Jalen Hurts is where I begin man for the Philadelphia Eagles. Will this be it? Will this be the game that it's too big for him? Or not? And I'm thinking

more and more not. He's an MVP finalists. The two games he missed they lost. He is sixteen and one as a starter now. But he also has arguably the NFL's best offensive line, does he not? Yes? Jason Kelsey an All Pro center, Lane Johnson an All Pro right tackle. They're left tackle as a Pro Bowl alternate. I mean they went out against that Niners defensive front. They had a dozen first down runs. They had about a half

dozen chunk runs ten or more yards. Now, of course, you know, towards the end the game got out of hand, and maybe that Niners defense got a little demoralized without a quarterback. But to me, that's the key of the game. I think both teams are pretty equal in most areas, But that Eagle's offensive line, yes, to me, if they neutralized Chris Jones and Frank Clark. Look out, Yeah, Paulie, you know you've hurt me. Say it many many times that you don't need the best offensive line in the league.

You don't need the worst offensive line in the league. You want an offensive line that is good enough to allow your talent to do what they do. Well, guess what, the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line is not only good enough, but to your point, they're the best offensive line I

think in the National Football League. And now you think of the talent that the Philadelphia Eagles have operating around in and around that offensive line and Jalen Hurts of course, Miles Sanders, the running back, A J. Brown, DeVante Smith, Dallas Goddard, it goes on and on and on. Now, all of a sudden, the talent that is there is magnified tenfold because of that offensive line, and that's what

makes them so powerful. You named all those standout players, right, I mean they got players the Philadelphia Eagles on both sides of the ball. Did your giant safety Julian Love on Good Morning Football NFL network this morning No News by saying in studio with Good Morning Football about Nick Sirianni, he's doing a good job because he's not getting in the way of his team, and then he went on to say that he's in for a free ride right now.

You guys can coach this team quote end quote. Then when everybody tweeted out his sound bite from the TV side, he retweeted and added, I'm not wrong. It's a players league and the Eagles have a bunch of dogs, and it doesn't have nearly as much to do with the coaching as it does the players. Your reaction to that, Polly, you know how I feel about this, And Bill Belichick would agree with me. Players win games. That is Bill Belichick. That's straight from him. Players win games, but you gotta

have the schemes. Of course, coaching is important in the National Football League. Never forget that. I'm not saying that it's not important. I'm not saying there aren't good coaches and bad coaches in the NFL. I'm not saying that there are both. Beyond a shadow of a down, there are right down the middle of the road as well. But players, players win games. I cannot tell you, Paulie, just how many times a play was designed that should have worked and it didn't work because it was not

executed properly. It was not done correctly. Whether it was a mental error or whether it was a physical error. You're getting your face kicked in. Whatever it was, it did not work because it wasn't executed by players. And then how many times a play that should have never worked never because of the scheme you were faced with

and against and the scheme you were running. A play that should have never worked worked because one player made a play, whether it was on the offensive line, whether it was the wide receiver, a tight end, a full back, paul one guy makes a play and suddenly the play works. Players win games. As Bill Belichick would attest, coaches lose them right. Give me a word on that Eagles pass rush.

They had a sixty two percent quarterback pressure rate in the NFC Championship, the highest and the next gen stat era. We know has Son Reddick, the former Cardinal. He knocked out Brock Purty in that first series of the game. He has nineteen and a half sacks in nineteen games this year, but he's far from the only dude on that pass rush for the Eagles. Yeah, you know that's gonna be the key for the Eagles. It's going to be about stopping the Kansas City Chief's ability to run

the ball. I think they're gonna try to run at the soft underbelly of the Philadelphia Eagles. That's the only weakness on their team. But if the Eagles can keep them in third and obvious pass situations, it's bad news for Pat Mahomes and that Chief's offense. And the Cardinals hosted both teams. You've seen both teams firsthand. Sounds like you're leaning towards the Eagles in this game. I am Paul, and that makes me very uncomfortable because you got Pat

Mahomes on one side and Jalen Hurts on the other. Yeah, and he looks ultramotivated. There's no doubt about that. Special Thanks to Drew stan former Cardinals quarterback, executive producer, Jim Almohundro, technical director, Lauren Covil for Ron Wolfley on Paul calBC. This has been the Big Red Rage presented by Santanford in Gilbert. We are santan four number one kil You've been listening to the Big Red Rage presented by Santanford in Gilbert. Are you Santanford State Farm? Talk to an

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