Big Red Rage - Dru Grigson Previews NFL Draft

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a difference maker. Will it be in the form of a receiver, an edge rusher, maybe a corner, an old lineman, a d lineman, even a running back. According to one recent mock draft well, the Arizona Cardinals trade up? Might they trade down? The good news is Ron Wolfie, if you've been scoring at home for the last couple of months, there's a mock draft that will match whatever direction or narrative you want to see develop. If you can think of it, it is out there in a form of

a mock draft somewhere. Yeah, you know what, Paula, I love that. I'm glad you brought that up right there. Because of the efficacy and the accuracy of a mock draft. Of course we all know. Well, I mean, if you get seriously ball, if you get five, if you get five in the first round, right, you are really good terms of being a great mocker. So why don't we do four rounds? Or even better, why don't we do the whole draft. That's great. I'm sure it's fun, but

for me, it's an exercise and futility. Yeah, we saw a seven round this week. We saw four round mocks with trades. I mean, you know you see it back. I said it on the podcast Round willfully, and I'll say it again on The Big Red Rage. Brought to you by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford and By the way, speaking of the draft, Drew Grigson is our guest tonight, putting them big in a big red range with those guns. Are you kidding me, Director

of playoff Personnel? Are they still twenty inches? That's what I wanted to Does he have the twenty inch canids? I was, I was harassing you earlier this week telling you that I was winning the offseason until I saw Drew Grigson and his offseason regimen. Yeah, I'm definitely Paully Pencilnaca during interview. You know what's incredible about that, Paully, His tricept is bigger than your head. That is what

is so amazing. Yeah. So anyway, like I said on the podcast, um, this year for Lent, I gave up chocolate chip cookies and scones. Next year for Lent, I'm giving up mock drafts. Okay, So there's the latest on that. We do have news of the week, We do have news of the day. In fact, you want to start with a receiver, you want to start with a quarterback. We start with a quarterback and then we'll move on from there. As I'm sure you saw some of the

headlines earlier today. In fact, a lot of what was reported today was reported by Albert Brewer of Sports Illustrated last month that Kyler Murray and Team Kyler wants a new deal. They want it before the draft, and you know they view that as a deadline for a new contract. Now, whether he is expected to play unless he gets a new deal, that's a question out there. And then, of course you know that Team Kyler and the agent Eric

Burkhart pulled the opening proposal off the table. So we'll see if there's a deal done by the draft, and then we'll see exactly what may or may not develop after that. Yeah, Polly, you know what's interesting you bring that up because here it is April fourteenth? Is it not the fourteenth? Paulli? It is? It is how many days before the draft the actual start of the show. By saying two weeks exactly? Okay, all right? Do you get where I'm getting that is a pressure point, There's

no doubt about that. Speaking of pressure points, I just get this feeling that maybe Kyler Murray's agent may have picked up the phone and just called Tom Pellacero and say, hey, you know what, honestly, right now, if you want me to leak you inside information on this. This is pure speculation on my part, PAULI, I have no idea, but it seems like it's the same story, just freshened a little bit, if you know what I mean, just a

different insider. He just he makes the rounds, yes, based on every couple of weeks or you know, once a month at the very least. So okay, there you go, and you know what, Look, there are now eight quarterbacks making forty million or more in average annual value. Yeah, and we've seen the recent signings, you know, Aaron Rodgers and Deshaun Watson and Matthew Stafford and now Derek Carr. So okay, they're going to see what they can get in the marketplace. We get it. AJ Green is back

in the fold for Kyler Murray. What do you make of that? And specifically we'll get into the football and the xes and o's and the Cardinals offense a little later. Well, what do you think that means for the Cardinals draft? Doesn't make a sort of Yeah, doesn't make a difference that they have AJ Green and X receiver on the outside back. I honestly, Polly, I don't think so. I don't think that is a listen, do you love to

have Aj Green? Do you love to have AJ Green in the veteran that he is and all of that experience, just in case maybe you don't actually have Rondel more improving, Just in case, maybe you do draft somebody high in the first round, maybe even the second round at fifty five, you know, and suddenly they're they're a little slow in terms of developing. Do you want a bit of a safety net at wide receiver? Man? I think that is what this signing is all about with AJ Green for

the most part, Pauli. So you know, I don't think it prohibits here Arizona Cardinals from going forward and drafting the best player of ollable at number twenty three, whether whether Pauli that is a wide receiver, whether that's an edge, whether that's a defensive tackle. Man, there's there's a guy that I absolutely love, DeVante Wyatt, the defensive tackle out of Georgia. The more and more I watch this guy, the more and more I read about this guy, the

more and more I like. Because you've got two first round picks inside playing inside linebacker that are still very very young. Would it be great to actually keep the butt guts, off of that second level, off of Zaban Collins, off of Isaiah Simmons. Well, the best way to do that is to get a butt in the gap, and DeVante Wyatt would be a butt in the gap, and you know what, we're going to get into him momentarily,

but as a setup. Daniel Jeremiah, he was on the passpod right, Dave Pass reeling in a big, big guest this time of year, and the NFL Network draft expert Daniel Jeremiah on the question where does he see the Cardinals going with their top pick. Well, I think there's so many different ways you can go and where you're picking. You're kind of at the mercy of what falls you because the drafting go in so many different directions. But

I still think, you know, firepower on offense. I think on the defensive side of the ball, you know, just getting younger and more dynamic upfront. Okay, so there you go, and look, I think it's a good sign right now that even the experts they say, man, the Cardinals could

go any number of directions. But to your point, could they go defense for the third straight year, and could they invest a pick in someone that, oh, you know, would be a double ding in terms of Isaiah Simmons and Zaven Collins and the fact the Arizona Cardinals is a defense gave up one hundred and fifty or more yards rushing times last year. They're very inconsistent in terms of rush defense. So with that in mind, Daniel Jeremiah said this, I look at a guy I just kind

of knowing Steve over the years. There are certain players you could see kind of tickling his fancy, And for some reason, I think of a guy like Davante Wyatt, who's just ultra ultra explosive a defensive tackle from Georgia. If somehow he were to be in that mix there, I could see that that being somebody he'd really like. Paul has had no Seriously, I had no idea that he was going to say that. I've been talking about Davontay Wyatt for over a week now. I've been talking

about DeVonta Wyatt, and I've come around from Jordan Davis. Listen, I love Jordan Davis. Oh my goodness, are you big man running? Paul? I mean, honestly, six six three hunty one pounds running a four to seven eight That is unbelievable. But you know, I the more and more I read, and the more and more I look at some of the tape on Devontay Wyatt, man, this is this is a guy that it's going to be hard taking him

off the field. I think Jordan Davis for the most part right now is specialty is he's just so big and so tough. He's so good against the run. But I think Devantay Wyatt is not only good against the run, he's also good against the pass. And I think anytime you can do that and get a guy that is that interior present and to get him to actually bring a little force inside, now your edge gets a lot better.

Whomever that may be. Yeah, and Wolf two things, you know, everything you said about him is true from what I've read, and then I've also read he has the quickest, most explosive first step of any dag lineman in this draft. So you know, there's more than one way to generate pressure, as if you explained more than once, and if you can get some of that interior pressure, I mean, as Kyle Vannabosh said this week on the Red Sea Report, quarterbacks absolutely to test the pressure up through the A

and B gaps. Allah Aaron Donald. Right, So if you can get that sort of guy who's disrupted from the interior d line, that would obviously be a huge asset for that Cardinals front seven. By the way, it's the Draft Weekend Country Concert presented by SeatGeek featuring Ryan Hurd, Lanco Callista Clark. That is Saturday, April thirtieth, that has Draft Weekend on the Great Lawn at State Farm Stadium. For tickets and info, go to sportsman Park az dot com.

That's Sportsman's Park az dot com for the Draft Weekend Country Concert. Big Red Rage continues with Drew Grigson. Next. Where are you guys right now in the draft process? Have you already stood on the table, Drew? Have you stood on the table and had it out? Have you had those meetings yet? The shoeprints are on the table, Wolf, they're there. Yeah, You're not on the clock until the shoeprints are on the table. Right until there's treadmarks in

the war room. That was exactly one year ago today here on the Big Red Rage, And you know what are there treadmarks on the table this year? I honestly don't know, because there's one place I cannot go at Cardinal's headquarters. And that is the war room, and that is why we bring the war room to us every year. About this time, that's right, it is time for Drew Grigson and his return here on the Big Red Rage, the director of Player Personnel. And Drew, you don't look

too sleep deprived. So going wall so far excellent, so far, absolutely, and you're winning the off season. You know, as Wolf said, you know, boom, you're you're staying in the weight room. You got the workout clause in your in your contracts. So things are going well. Early morning, wake up, get that. We'll get it in and then get to work. Good. That's how we do it. All right, let's get to it. Then let's talk about this draft. As always, there's an

insatiable appetite about the draft. Fans love to talk about it. What stands out to you about the twenty twenty two draft, or there are particular areas this year that you think it will be known for in years to come. It's every year changes obviously in terms of depth of position, and this year it's deeper at certain spots than it was last year. It's a little deeper too, just in terms of overall players because of the guys that came

back from the COVID year. So you know last year, the top players, they're going to come out regardless, But a lot of those guys that would have been maybe late round picks free agents, they stayed in and they worked themselves up a handful of rounds. They worked themselves in from undrafted free agency into the six and seventh rounds. So I think you're going to see more, you know, players that that ended up coming back. There'sould be a little bit more depth. I think is actually late and

definitely in free agency. You know, we've heard Daniel Jeremiah say repeatedly and most recently on the Pashpod, that there are twenty pass rushers in this draft. Now that that would be unheard of, wouldn't it be that that it would be that deep in edge rushers. It's twenty might be a little strong, but there is. You know, actually, when I saw that same thing and I went up, I looked at our board at one, two, three, four, and let's see if he's right. Um, it is strong.

It is good there, um, And there's there's plenty of of diverse body types and skill sets in the group from length to you know, guys with power, guys with a ton of production, guys with average production but have the traits. So it is an interesting group, no doubt. So the board is up, board is up, the horizontal board is up. So we had all those discussions. Um, so it is, it is set, um and then we'll sit and uh do the one twenty next week. It's

going to be over three days. Used to be we used to jam it in a one day and then we said that's just too much. We we you know it, I think it's too much for one day to have that kind of information spread over to two days. And then always said, let's let's make sure we feel good about it and get it. Let's use the time that

we have here. We have all month pretty much, and let's use it over three So we spread it out over three days now because a lot of those names encapsulate three years of work per player in a lot of cases, right, and no question, absolutely, you know, there's there's a lot of guys that that you know, with the COVID year, maybe guys were injured. Um, I mean

they should be doctors by now. With there's there's guys that they have been seven years and you know, they have a lot of experience and uh, which again that helps us for the most part, especially if they're coming in and we expect them to you know, maybe play a little bit earlier. You know. Now the guys that are developmental that are seven years in, you have to look sit back and say, well, if they're this at this point and it's seven years in, how much better

can they get a little bit more risk there? But um, you know the extra year is like I said, no question going to help some of those guys. Later, Drew Griggson, director of a player of personnel our guests in the Big Red Rage. Did you get back to normalcy in terms of gathering info this year? I know a year ago at this time a lot of it was mainly zoom correct one hundred percent zoom. Yeah, nothing, there was, there was nothing we can do. At least last year

we got back to Pro Days. But even Pro Days were strange because they only let so many people in from your organization, so numbers at pro Days were low, and this year it felt like old times. I mean, we had you know, as many people as we needed at the Pro Days. We were allowed to make school visits again, you know, sitting in the rooms with coaches and with the liaison, the trainers, so all that information.

We were able to get that information. Now, last year, last couple, it was it was tough, but we have a great staff. We have a staff that's incredibly dialed. Then we have great relationships across the country and we needed those relationships to help us make the right decisions on the players that we took last year. This year it's again with it being more open. We were able to have thirty visits again, which we haven't done in

you know, we haven't done. We had one thirty visit the year that COVID hit and that was it and he was out and we didn't That was the last thirty visit we had in twenty twenty. And just the ability for us to bring these guys back in the building, get to know him, shake their hand, take him out to dinner, and just get a feel of do we want this guy in our building? Do I want to hand this guy off to Vance Joseph? Do I feel

comfortable with that? And then have Vans sit down with him and eat dinner with them, and then Cliff and and just be able to sit there and drafting and say yes, this is a guy, because that's why you're doing all that homework, right, You're trying to ascertain you can see the player on film, You're trying to ascertain what sort of person he is that you're investing end cars.

So that's a long study and you know, like you said, sometimes three years and you're looking at the tape, you're looking at the personality, You're looking at the ability to learn. Does the guy love the game? Does he what do his work habits? Like? What is his worth? Like all that stuff. Every player is going to have some risk no matter what. And if that risk comes in injuries again and again, his ability to our inability to learn, or maybe it's his production. All of them have risk.

What you try to do with all this information, get as much of it as possible and eliminate as much of the risk as he possibly can, you know, because it's I always tell the guys, like shooting craps, there's some bets that are really really good or or more conservative. Some bets are you know, they're high risk, but they pay off a lot. So what can we do with all the information we have to eliminate as much of

the risk as possible before we take that player. Drew Griggson, director a player personnel here on the Big Red Rage. All right, so you look at all these mock drafts and you do I don't know, okay, all right at this point at this point, and you're right, I do, yeah, And we like to have fun with it. But there is one thing I'm trying to glean from these, and it's the following. And tell me if there's any any merit to this. Sure, how many quarterbacks are going before

the Cardinals pick at number twenty three? I hope eight, let's help twenty two exactly. That's because to me, that QB question is a big question as it pertains to the Cardinals at twenty three, because it dictates how many position players will be pushed down. Absolutely. Yes, So what's your gut feel? Do you have one? I have a gut feel. My gut feel is that there that there's gonna be a few taken before a pick because of the supply and demand, because of the need. Because if

you don't have one, you don't have anything. And regardless of how wrong in the classes they're they're gonna go. You know that. So is it as strong of a classes i've seen the past. No, it's not. But that doesn't mean that you know that there aren't gonna be guys that are gonna come in, get drafted, be giving the keys to the organization and given their shot. You know. So I've seen some reputable guys say zero. I've seen

some say five quarterbacks for the Cardinals. So you know, to me, that's been a big determining factor as to who's on the board. And as for number twenty three itself, what's your confidence level there's going to be an elite talent available by the time the Cardinals pick. It's a

good spot to pick. And I'll tell you why, because it's almost like I always talk about the second round, because when all of the sexy picks go, when all the heightweight, speed, and all the flash goes, and all the risky guys go, sometimes there's just that guy that's sitting there that is just a good football player that

loves the game. Maybe his arms are a little short, maybe he didn't run as fast, but he's got ten sacks and twenty tackle for loss, and he again loves the game and he's just a good football And you're getting a good starter that's gonna play for he's gonna get a second contract. So there's I think where we're picking. Here's actually a little less risk because all that stuff

starts to sort itself out. You know, again, all the combine guys, all the guys you have questions about, and then you just sitting there and just go boom, that's the guy right there. And again that's what the one twenty conversation is all about. And a lot of those mock drafts have either receiver or edge rusher most typically associated with the Cardinals speaking a receiver as a director of player personnel, give us a word in Aj Green

back on board with a one year deal. I think the way that we've put the team back together, I like, we have an eleven win team, and we keep resigning the guys that helped us get eleven wins and the guys that are part of the culture that helped change the culture from when we were a three win team and had the first pick in the draft, and keep those guys around. You know, AJ has been around the block.

He is a consummate pro. He's a position of need, you know, especially being an outside guy, being an X a guy that we wanted to bring back because of that, and he knows what we're all about. He knows what it's like working with Sean Jefferson now so excited to have him back and again a great pro and we know exactly what we're getting with AJ. So, as general manager Steve Kim has never drafted a receiver in Round one? Is that by the sign? Has that been just because

of the board. Is there any reason that pattern may or may not continue this year? I think it's just it's the way that it falls. And again, you know our philosophy, and we're gonna stick to our philosophy, and that has take the best player available, regardless of what the position is. So we're gonna let it fall. We're gonna pluck the players off the one twenty as they're drafted around the league, and then when that players left, we're gonna take him. If it's a receiver, it's a receiver.

If it's alignment, it's alignment. We're gonna take what's best that makes us a better team to help us go from eleven wins in the first round of the playoffs deeper into the playoffs to a Super Bowl to a win. There are two receivers in an associate with the Cardinals quite a bit. Jamison Williams out of Alabama, but because of the torn acl they have him falling perhaps to the Cardinals, and then Traylan Burks out of Arkansas. Can you give us a quick thumbnail on both guys as

you see them? Both talented cancer I don't want to speak too much on individual guys, but both talented, both worthy of the twenty third pick. Be happy to have either of them. How do you assess whether it's a Jamison Williams and John Metchi David A. Jabo of Michigan in terms of those injuries and the fact they may not be ready at the start of twenty and twenty two. How does that impact maybe the decision making it? Does you have to you know, when when was the injury?

When is he going to be ready? Is there any type of degeneration that's gonna hurt his ability to sign him to a second contract. So you have to factor all that stuff and we'll we'll meet with the doctors um and kind of go or that that information. But I mean, we we drafted out Brian Scholefield in the fourth round. If you remember a handful of years ago. Um, and that was that was a guy who probably would have been a second round pick. Um. But again that

was risk involved in that player. He was devalued because of the injury. We take him in the fourth round. He ended up being a productive cardinal. Um. It's the same thing at in the first round that you have to deal with again with a Jabo who's obviously a talented first round type player. UM, but he again he's probably gonna lose it all seem because when is he going to be ready? When is that Achille's gonna gonna heal? How many starts are you gonna get out of him?

You know? Um, I've been talking about in that in regards to that, like a guy like Landon Dickerson last year who went UM in the second round to Philadelphia, had a late season ACL at Alabama. They ended up getting fourteen starts out of the out of the kids. So again, if you could sit there and say, well, what are we going to get out of him? We get this many starts, then you know, maybe you feel better about the pick. But that's good. Again, that's gonna

be up to what the doctors tell us. And guys like that former first round pick who's now an Arizona Cardinal. Jeff Gladdening tell us about him and why why he signed on the line that has data with a Cardinals, and what you like about him. Well, the fact that it's to me, it's a freebee. We got an extra first round pick, you know, basically in free agency. Incredibly

quick footed, highly instinctive player. It's a reason again he went into the first round and we're getting a you know, a starter in our building with and we didn't you know, waste any draft capital basically, so um, he helps us out. Immediately excited to have him, and he's gonna help a big time again. I'll take him that next step. We know the value that you guys place in linement. Offensive line. I think four of the five starters are gonna be in the final year of their deal or in one

year deal. And then defensive line with the loss of Jordan Phillips and Corey Peters, etc. So Daniel Jeremiah on the pashpod set and I quote the defensive lineman Davante Wyatt feels like a Steve Kind pig. That's what he said. Just in general, though, how about that defensive tackle position, and what do you think about it in this year's draft? Strong strong interesting again, I mean you talk about him or his or his teammate, Um Jordan Davis, who you

know ran four seven at three hundred and forty one pounds. There, it's a it's a talented group. And again don't want to speak too much on individual guys, but um it's definitely a deep class and also on the offensive line side too. Um So, But again, I don't know how it's gonna fall into one twenty and I don't know who's gonna with the twenty two picks before us are gonna look like. So you know, if a D lineman's there and he's the top guy, that's gonna be the guy.

If it's a guard, if it's a tackle, I don't know, but I guess we're gonna stick to the philosophy. We're going to stick take on the best player, because if you want to keep that offensive line off, you're two young first round inside linebackers. I mean, defensive tackle isn't a bad way to go, right, absolutely no doubt. How about when you look at the division, to what degree do you assess the NFC West and the strength of

your opponents in the division. As to what your wants and needs are from year to year, you have to consider it, no doubt. And you know, if you're playing athletic tight ends or if you're trying to contain Russell Wilson, you know that's something that always has to factor in. But again, I don't think you need to press or drive up a player because of that need again, because then I think you pass on you know, possibly a better player. I don't, you know. But it's something that

no doubt factors. So we had Rasha Johnson on last week, former Cardinals safety is you know, member of the Bama broadcast crew any draft from when we took him, absolutely, and he told a couple of stories and look, his backstory is a big reason you took him as one of the only two time team captains for Nick Saban and program history of former walk on at Alabama, right, he had those intangible He talked about Jamison Williams not only is a an elite speed guy and a great receiver,

but he was a gunner right and special teams and he's tough. He got kicked out of a game for getting too physical and too intense. And then we mentioned Treylon Burkes. So when he tells the story, Burks does, all right, this according to Trey Wingo that uh that he goes out hunting wild boar with a knife and his dogs and quote, some people probably consider me crazy, but that's just how I am. Right. How big a plus is that in the war room when a guy

sort of has that sort of mentality. Well, I think with Sean Jefferson, here's that that makes him like it, like him even more. Uh So, But you know absolutely, I mean you just think about that mentality. He's he you know, that's that's a that's a guy that that can get down and dirty. He's a dog. Um. You know, he's not afraid to work. He's not afraid to get a little grimy. Uh you know that that's uh, you know what you're gonna get from that kid, you know,

just just with that mentality. And as we wrap it up with Drew Grigson here, what's left on the free agent market? Do you still expect action from the Cardinals? Absolutely, it's not over. I mean if you think about where we when we signed James Conner last year, it was a month in the free agency. We ended up getting a pro border with eighteen touchdowns that we just signed

to a new three year deal. So you know, if the doors never closed, we're going to keep looking at those names that are out there, are going to keep working the phones and talking to agents and keep trying to put the best ninety on the field before training camp. So we're scanning it every day, and we're working the phones every day, and Steve is working it every day. So we're gonna keep churning those names until we have the best roster possible before training camp. So how spirited

has it been, Drew? I mean, if we had those hard knocks cameras behind those doors in the war room, how energetic I'm using a euphemism right now. Has it been behind there? Very this year? Very energetic? And you know I kind of start the meeting by saying, guys, listen, we want it to be energetic. We don't want group think. We want differences opinion, and with that difference of opinion comes passion, and the guys are paid to be passionate

about I don't want you just read the news. I want you to finish talking about the player and I want to know if you love them, do you want them to be a Cardinal. So it got spirited. It gets spirited, but we do it with respect, you know, and that's the most important thing at the end of the day. You may love a player, I may not like the player, but we're just gonna try to get him right for the Cardinals because at the end of the day, we're trying to draft that player to make

us better, get to win a championship. That's what we're all trying to do. We're all trying to get better. We're all trying to win. So we have respect amongst each other. We have spirited conversation and we all have our own opinions, and that's what makes this thing great. That's how you get a Buddha Baker in round two, right, Jalen Thompson right in round five of us supplement of

Marco Wilson and round four. It's having those conversations and it's it's talking it out and you know, gathering all that information that we've spent years getting and putting it to work for us. True, thank you, thank you. All. Right, there you go. Drew Grigson, director of Player of Personnel on the Big Red Rage. We continue right after this. Let's start that off as Bruce arians act. I'm talking about that at Murray and shot gun snapped the Kyler

at a ton of little short set. See I did that short set a little bit now throwing deep fire side and is pulled in into five yard. All right, hold on, I gotta grab myself a crown royal. Here a little sipp in debate, little sipp in debates? Did NIPPERU finished the callege? Jack Nicholson. AJ Green just too strong, too big, too athletic. To Tracy Morgan, I want a great read by Kyler Murray to throw the ball. Say it as Morgan Freeman, What a great read by Kyler

Murray to throw the ball. You've got a scarecrow on a stick. Put it out there, let him go get it. That's exactly what a J. Green did. Can you do it as Liam Neeson? Want a great read by Kyler Murray to throw the ball. You've got a scarecrow on a stick, Put it out there, let him go get it. That's exactly what a J. Green did. Oh man, oh man,

that is just so legendary. That episode of the Pashpod with Frank Caliendo, the master of all voices that Tracy Morgan, by the way, is still underrated in my opinion, And that was based on your call a forty one yard AJ Green touchdown catch and run against the Rams, right and the scarecrow on a stick, right, That's that's what he was, That's what he was using as a muse, right there wasn't he? Yes, Paul it But honestly, every one of those absolutely nails from Frankie just entertaining stuff

and the Day Pash podcast. In fact, we're gonna get to some of that the most recent edition here momentarily. But what did you make of Drew Grickson and his comments on AJ Green in the news today that he resigned another one year deal for the years in a Cardinals two thousand. Yeah. Now, first of all, let me just say, Paul, I thought you did an awesome job Withdrew. And I'm not just saying that so because you're my friend,

but well, we missed you, We missed you. But you know, the footprints are on the table again, like he said, So that's good. That was just fantastic right there. And I thought Drew, of course, he is demonstrating why at some point in time he will be considered as a general manager down the road, of course, I think, yeah, definitely is on the horizon for Drew. You know, a

couple of observations in terms of what he said. Yeah, the aj Green thing was right on, spot on, But for the most part I thought it was interesting he was talking about this draft and how much deeper this draft is because of the guys coming back from COVID. That is something I didn't think of Paulli. And yet at the same time, it really makes an awful lot of sense. One of the reasons why you might have

twenty now he said, twenty edge rushers. That might be a little strong right there from Daniel Jeremiah, but still it might be one of the reasons why you do have more depth at some of these positions. Yes, and even if you don't have twenty blue Chippers at edge, for example, you do have more depth late in the draft, right, I said. And so when the Cardinals have two picks in the sixth round and three and the seventh, those

might be more valuable than ever. Right. And then and then free agents guys who don't sign, there's going to be a big fury to go ahead and in a frenzy to get those guys you know. So now, as for last year and Rondelle Moore, let's go back to what Shaun Jefferson told us on a recent edition offseason edition here of the Big Red Rage, because last year's round two pick might just be a receiver to this year. Here's Sean Jefferson. The next step for him is talking

to more down field, adding to his route tree. You know it's coming in as a rookie. You know, you got de Hobb, you got Christen Kirg, you got aj Green. So he's kind of lost in that, you know what I'm saying about being a rookie and everything like that. But that's one of the things that me and ronde Hall discussed about growing his routes. So you've been able to put him outside a little bit more where he can run some of those routes on the outside, so

his route tree would grow leaps and bounds. And we bring that up just to get us to a receiver in this trap because roll, I mean the last few years, I and look I own it. I would cite the hit rate on first round receivers and I would scream no, no, and more no. But I look at some of the guys this year. For example, a realistic possibility according to most of the mocked as Arkansas receiver Treylon Birds six

two two twenty five. He benches three eighty, he squats five hundred in just the way the Cardinals may or may not be going in terms of the physicality. He just seems to fit their identity. And if you're feeding it to James Connor and then all of a sudden you're giving a quick bubble screen or maybe a quick slant to a Treylon Burks and you're just hammering defenses, I could see him being the guy at twenty three. Yeah, Polly,

you know once again too. I will also say that Treylon Burks a guy that I think is really good at getting off the press. He's got great size, as you've already mentioned, six to two hundred and twenty five pounds. This is a guy that ran like a four five five Polly, that is his time for the forty. But most people think that he's faster. He's got game speed. In other words, he runs as fast as it. Very similar to Jerry Rice. Jerry Rice was that way coming out of college. Jerry ran a four six five on

a clock. Yet you threw that ball into the air. Isn't that right? Joe Montana and Jerry Rice was gonna run as fast as he needed to to get underneath it. Treylon Burks reminds me an awful lot like that, But also to Paulli, this is me. I continue to say this,

and I continue to believe the Arizona Cardinals. They're gonna go with a lot more twelve personnel, two tight end sets, and with a guy like DeAndre Hopkins on one side and then maybe a Treylon Burks or even Rondell More of course on the other side, or now aj Green, They're going to attack the line of scrimmage and take some shots down the field. The bashi and bomb perspective of Bruce Arians. It's not going to be the bashi and bomb offense of Bruce Arians, Polly, That's never going

to be the case here. Yet, having said that, it's still gonna be that type of impact I think on this offense, and that means you're gonna take some shots down the field. You want big, physical guys who can get off the press. Daniel Jeremiah on the Passpod this week and he was asked by Dave about trey Lin

Burkes the SEC first team or out of Arkansas. To me, the most intriguing one is Burks because he gives him a two hundred and twenty five pound guy that can do a lot of the stuff that they do, you know, in terms of getting the ball in his hands, let him run after the catch, and it just gives him a little bit of a different look than what they've had. You know, Gosh, you watched Debo and you see him

inside the division. The ability to put him in the backfield, do different things, get the ball out of your hand quick and let guys make plays with the football. That's what he does. Arkansas lined him up everywhere except offensive line. Literally, he was a quarterback, he was in the backfield, he was a tight end, he was at all the receiver spots. They just found a way to get him in the ball, not unlike a Deebo Samuel. So you know, it just

it's intriguing. And then to have a guy with that sort of physicality a receiver and that's sort of mentality he's out there. I mean, you heard Drew Grigson talk about what a plus it is when you hear a guy is out hunting wild boar with a knife, and his dogs. You know who I think of is that's who I think and you just you're you're trying to find that sort of guy who gives you that sort

of mentality un offense. Yeah, now you're right about that, Bali, And it's going to be really, really interesting to see because even at twenty three right now, I do believe the Arizona Cardinals they need on the edge. We know that they need a wide receiver, they need a corner, they need a defensive tackle. In my opinion, they need an offensive guard as well. But that again is number six, so that's well down the draft board chart of needs. But Polly, they they are in a great position to

take the best player available, whomever that may be. And I got a good feeling DeVante White could be there at number twenty three and I wouldn't be shocked. I would not be shocked. And it's not because Daniel Jeremiah said it. It's just I would not be shocked to see Steve Kim in the Arizona Cardinals take DeVante whatt if he's there. Well, quoting Drew Grigson loosely, he likes twenty three for the fact that, you know what you're

gonna get a football player. You might not get all the hype and all the combine numbers and all the flash and all that. At that point, a lot of those guys are gone. You're going to get a baller. Yeah, you know, DeVante Wyatt is a motorhead, Paul, he's a motorhead. This is a guy. It's not the motorhead the grease or Paul, don't think about that. And some guy that's smoking cigarettes Paul in his grease back hair and he's working on cars, Paul, That's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about just a motorhead. This is a guy that just has got a motor and he's just gonna he's gonna turn that thing on, Paul. And he's three hundred three pounds. And oh, by the way, he ran a four seven seven at three hundred three pounds. Okay, this guy is Okay, I'm kind of in love with this guy, right. I think about Wyatt, I admit it. I think a motorhead. I think of the band, and I think in the Lake great Lemmy the lead singer. But what about what about what about that would be

his nickname? Yeah, it's beautiful Lemon. That's good, by the way. Jeff Gladney, how about his comments, I'm Gladney True Grigson, director of player Personnel. Because we haven't heard a lot from the decision makers. I'm Gladney. He called him a freebee, an extra first round pick. You know that you didn't have to expend any draft capital. He's got the quick feat, he's instinctive, he's physical. Jeff Gladney, the former first rounder out of TCU who missed last year. And and you're

talking he called him a starter as well. Yeah, he did, bully. That's that's what I wrote down in my notes right here. Okay he said the same thing, first round pick, but he said starter. He's a starter, And okay, Um, I don't want to get too excited about that, Polly, because honestly, once again, UM, you'd be talking about a guy that is going to play his second year in the league. Um, prove it, you know what I mean, young guy, That's what it's all about. It's all a while proving it.

You know. I don't get too excited about draft picks coming in and making a huge difference unless his name is Davante Wyatt. Then all of a sudden, I get a little jacked up on that BALI But at the same time, I listen, Rook, prove it. You know, so I want to see I want to see veterans. I want to see veterans, and I want to see veterans actually make the difference for the Arizona Cardinals offensively and defensively by going out and playing up to their ability

and doing it in a more physical way. He called the edge rusher group, by the way, deep and diverse. You get guys who are long, you get guys, speed, guys. You know, you have some power guys. You have some edge rushers who put up a lot of production. Other guys who didn't have the production, but they have the traits. So but see, I hear Jeff Gladney starter, I think if they're going corner, it's round three or beyond. I think automatically it's d line, it's receiver, or its whole

line in those first two rounds. That's just me and that's just my direct And you know what, I think, Oh line, we're not talking enough about. I think that's probably more of an underrated area. If there is like that guard out of Texas, A and M and I always forget his name. If he's sitting there at number twenty three, not be Kenyan Green, I would not be surprised at all if he's an Arizona Cardinal. Exactly right. Not only that too, PAULI. But the board is set.

Did you hear that? The horizontal The horizontal board is set. Now the one twenty has got to be sat up and they're gonna take three days to do that. Oh baby, that is the best of the best, setting the one twenty. And you know what, you can get ready with episode twenty eight of the Dave Pash Podcast featuring NFL Network Draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah, available now wherever you get your podcasts, and to catch up on past episodes, of course, you can just go via Twitter at Pash pod. So there

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already saw the trailer. You just heard it right there, and so looking forward to all that and then the course they're going to add to this offseason shortly two weeks in counting with the twenty twenty two draft. And by the way, Wolf do you see earlier today the NFL research team crunched the numbers on strength of schedule. The Cardinals upcoming schedule number two. In terms of strength of schedule, the Rams had the most difficult, the hard

to schedule. The Cardinals are second, Cincinnati, the Bengals are third, Tampa's fourth, and then the Niners and KC are fifth. Yeah, I know, Polly that it's really really tough when you see that. And I'm not trying to pooh pooh anything, but you know, what's a year to year proposition? It is, It really is yeah, there's one reason, because you're playing

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So interesting when you look through you know my big fear right now, wolf is I name these other teams and I start thinking, okay, is someone gonna make a run at all these receivers before the Cardinals pick at number twenty three because the Eagles are at eighteen. A lot of mocks have him going receiver. The Saints at nineteen supposedly that's their number one one or need the Patriots need receivers at twenty one. Now, the Packers got Sammy Watkins today, but they easily could still go receiver

at twenty two, No, no doubt about that, Polly. And you know what's so fascinating is Jamison Williams that is the guy from Alabama. That is the guy, Polly, that I wonder about because of his injury, because of the fact that he's probably not going to be back until October, maybe even November. That is a very interesting proposition at wide receiver. Will the New York Jets stop and think about it right now? The New York Jets at number four. I could see them take him as high as number

four because he has been compared to Tyree Hill. Paul, Hello, the closest thing to Tyree Hill. Okay, Jamison Williams. Now, all of a sudden at number four, Okay, he's not going to be back to November. What did the New York Jets care? Because, Polly, do you think the New York Jets really think they're in there running for a postseason position? I doubted Paul so not in their division, No, PAULI.

And because they needed wide receiver badly as well. I would not be surprised because most people will tell you that Jamison Williams would be the highest wide receiver rated in this draft if it were not for his injury, and I believe that, Yeah, that is a great observation, and that would be a shrewd pick by the Jets. I mean to do that top five, no doubt about it. All right, Wolf, we had a retirement. It was official today. I had the honor of attending the lunchtime ceremony that

was conducted by Michael Bidwell. It featured a video shout out from both Joe Buck Yes the legendary broadcaster, and Larry Fitzgerald. And it was all an honor of Mark Allmeyer forty one years as the Cardinals equipment guru. And I mean, think about some of his service and what he did for the Arizona Cardinals effect. Here's the stat over five different decades, Wolf, Mark Allmyer worked eight hundred twenty three total games and it more than thirty six

hundred Cardinals player including yourself, incredible, Polly. He'll be ever, he'll forever, I should say, be known as Markson. All right, Markson, of course, I mean that's what I learned his name to be, Markson when I showed up in nineteen eighty five and he was working for Bill Simmons, also known as Skinhead. There he was, and forty one years later, Man, congratulations to Marks in the NFL Equipment Manager of the Year in two thousand and eight. In two thousand and fourteen,

We love your brother. Yeah yeah, he's the Saint Louis guy. Came with the Cardinals from Saint Louis. They even flew in Emo's Pizza from Saint Louis. Today, Wolf, I mean three words outstanding. I was great. I mean people couldn't get enough of the Emo's Pizza special. Thanks as always, Drew Grigson, the Director of Player Personnel, Jim I'm a Hundre, Lauren Coble, Ron wolf leyl. Paul Calvec. This has been

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