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State Farm? Talk to an agent today at eight hundred State Farm, And by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts visit acy Cardinals dot Com, Slash Podcasts, The Reds, Rising Guard, temperatureizing vision, flurring, rage taking over. Here's Paul Calveci. I'm ready. I'm one hundred percent ready. I'm telling you I'm ready. And Ron Wolflee, it doesn't get any better than that. Unleash the far three weeks in a day away from NFL Draft two twenty three, and Ron Wolfley just let the insanity wash

over you. I mean, this week alone, we've already heard that Houston might take will Anderson number two. Overall. They might do it. They might. They're just crazy enough they might do it. An anonymous league personnel man tells Peter King the Titans are exploring the possibility of trading up to number three. Hello, Monty, the Raiders are taking Bryce Young to dinner this week. Why when they picked number seven? The Cardinals supposedly, reportedly allegedly might just release DeAndre Hopkins.

Somebody sound the light detector on that one. And my favorite, Ron Wolflee, are the reports out there, the anecdotal evidence that Jets fans are already booking flights and hotels for Vegas for Super Bowl fifty eight, February twenty twenty four. And with that, welcome into the Big Red Rage present Avice, santan Ford and Gilbert We are santan Ford, Paul Calvc here, Ron Wolfley right there, Polly, I everything you just said right there, I thought of one thing, and that one

thing is tis the season? Is it not? Yes? Draft supterfuge here it comes coming your way. Believe nobody, Polly, at this point in time, that is true. In fact, you know what, let's just get enrolled right now. We got Albert Brier, who, from some reason, I don't know if Albert Brier if he's on some sort of mission to drive down the value of DeAndre Hopkins. A week ago he came out and said, Oh, DeAndre Hopkins a

league personnel. People are telling me that he might not command much more than Brandon Cook's a fifth rounder, a sixth rounder. Now this week, here's what Albert Brier says about de hops You're in the easy. Some teams they're gonna cut him. I think the Cardinals are gonna wind him cutting him. His market is not great right now. And even for teams like say like Kansas City, like Kansas City would need him to take a significant piggy.

He'd have to be like take the Smith Schuster deal from U, right, right, right, So I clearly there's nobody that was willing to take on the contract and pay the Cardinals initial price. Your reaction to that, you know, Bully, the first thing I thought of is does he know Monnie Asenford? Does he know Monnie Assenford. And the reason why I say that, Paully, is because do you remember the Rodney Hudson situation. Do you remember what the Raiders did?

Think of what the Raiders did? Remember that story came down that the Raiders were gonna cut Rodney Hudson. That's right, all we were all shocked. What are you talking about? They're gonna cut Rodney Hudson. I think they did this. This is what I believe. I think they let that story out. They leaked that story the Raiders themselves because they wanted every GM in the league. You go, WHOA, what do you mean you're gonna cut him? We don't need We don't want you to know, don't do that.

What if I give you a fourth round pick for him? What if I give you a fit? What if I give you a third round pick for Rodney Hudson. We don't want you to cut him because he's gonna clear waivers with his contract and then he's going to become a free agent. And if that means we're gonna have to bid against other teams for that guy's services, Paulie, this makes me think maybe Monni Asinforten Arizona Cardinals is impossible.

They're leaking this story out there to let it be known. Hey, listen, if you're thinking about DeAndre Hopkins at all, you know what, you might want to be able to negotiate with him on a one on one basis as opposed to a free agent. You know what makes sense, paul You know what, It's just as plausible as anything else that's being thrown out there. In fact, I think there's a lot more thought behind your rationale, in your theory than maybe some

of the other stuff that is out there. Reports have said the Cardinals gave Team d hop DeAndre Hopkins and his new agent the ability to talk to other teams to explore Paul another contract. So they ask yourself, why would they do that. There's a willingness to try a team to see if, okay, maybe a deal could be had a contracting me. It's sort of like the Sean Payton reverse. You go out to negotiate the contract, then we'll figure out the value in exactly Paul. That's exactly it.

And why would a team want to do that? Why? Well, because they have a one on one conversation going with DeAndre Hopkins as opposed to five other teams that might actually be interested in him and driving his price up. And when you say other teams, you say five teams, And you know what, I think it is five. I think it's Kansas City. I think it's New England. I think it's Tennessee. I think it's Baltimore, and I think

it's the Giants. I think those are the five teams, And I would say to those five teams, and you know what, I'm going to tap the mic just to make sure I have their attention. Have you seen this year's draft class. It is very shallow draft pool when it comes to receiver. All the free agent wide receivers have been picked over. And guess what Denver and Sean Payton just said. Guess what, We're not trading Jerry Judy

and Courtland Sutton. They're off the market. So good luck with a plug and play wide receiver in this draft. When a couple of years ago, remember our stat the worst hit rate for any rookie position group in recent history and memory in the draft is always wide receiver at less than twenty percent, even round one. Guys. There's always that learning curve a receiver. So I think the Cardinals do have that. That's why Ian Rappaport came out and said, quote, I would be surprised if DeAndre Hopkins

was released. Now, if he's traded, guess what his salary will be adjusted? And report Ian Rappaport once again, bully, here's your assignment right here. Are you ready for your assignments? Is you need to find out if Monti Astenford has any type of relationship with Albert Preyer. Okay, you need to figure that out, right, there is Astenford kind of leaking this stuff to Albert Brier. Bully, that's what you got to get to that. Get to the bottom of

that story and then you'll know what's going on. Because with Rodney Hudson, all of a sudden, the Raiders came out and let it be known. And it wasn't right away they let it be known. No, no, no, we're not We're not going to cut Rodney Hudson. And sure enough,

there it was. The Arizona Cardinals made a deal. I think this is a way to get teams lining up at the door just to make a phone call, teams that may not have actually called the Cardinals yet, just saying whoa, well, hey, what will it take for us to get them at one on one? What will it take?

You know? I think this is a way to drum up interest and Albert Brier, whether he knows Monty Asenford or not, this is actually helping the Arizona Cardinals because I think there are teams that would call and say, well, before you do that, what would it take? All right, So if they're not lining up or DeAndre Hopkins. Are they going to be lining Maybe they're already for number three overall, and you know our model around here, Azy needs three, meaning three quarterbacks. And then guess what the

sweepstakes are on. Is that third quarterback to go a CJ. Stroud and Bryce Young? Could it be Anthony Richardson? Well, we asked Drew stant about that this week on the Red Sea Report. No, he's not a franchise quarterback for multiple reasons. The completion percentage is extremely alarming. That's the starting point. The other point that you get to is the question marks are too large from the standpoint of

he's at Florida. You look at his college record of what he was able to accomplish, and you couple that with the subpar completion percentage. What makes you think that when he gets to an NFL team that he's going to be able to flip the script and do that. It's Trey Lance all over again. Thirteen career college starts, Trey Lance, Anthony Richardson, and all the measurables are there, all the upside is there. You don't have the production or the college film they want to see at the

NFL level. But Will somebody take a chance, Will somebody make the Cardinals an offer they can't refuse? In number three for Anthony Richardson, Yes, you think so, Spaly, Oh, I don't think there's any doubt about it. I think Drew is right. And I said this about Anthony Richardson myself that I don't think Anthony Richardson is a first round pick. I don't believe that now is his stats, there's no doubt about it. In terms of his traits and his physical size and athleticism, of course he is.

He's a first round pick. But if you're talking about quarterback, I don't think he's a first round pick. I think he's probably a second or a third round pick. But PAULI, that's not the way it works in the National Football League. History will tell you right now that there are people that will come up and believe that Anthony Richardson is a franchise quarterback, especially when you talk about today's new offense and the new wage offense that is permeated in

the fact that Jalen Hurts. Of course, just how much Jalen Hurts has influenced the rest of the league offensively, I think there are a lot of people that believe Anthony Richardson is Cam Newton all over again, except a better deep ball thrower than Cam Newton. So he's going to get a shot. I think there is going to be somebody that is going to fall in love with Anthony Richardson and they're gonna want to move up to number three. And I think that somebody could be the Colts.

There are reports out there speaking of Jalen Hurts, that Shane Steichen, the Colts new head coach, sees Anthony Richardson potentially as quote a super charged version of Jalen Hurts, right, And the guy who developed Jalen Hurts from the second round, pick two, second team All Pro behind Patrick Mahomes could be the coach in waiting for an Anthony Richardson. And we know Jim Mercy, the owner, has already been on record several times. There are three or four quarterbacks in

this draft. So just maybe, just maybe, the plan we've all thought about all along is that Indy comes up one to get their guy, in this case Anthony and Richardson, and the Cardinals get their guy, Will Anderson and some extra picks. We'll see. That's still very, very viable I would say, yeah, Paul, have we seen NFL teams reach for quarterbacks in the first round before every year? Here? Yes,

we have seen that. Right there. There are some people out there, PAULI that will tell you right now, there are some scouts that say, hey, you know what, c J. Stroud is no slam dunk. They'll even say that about Bryce. They'll say Bryce Young is no slam dunk either, you know. I mean, look, there are a lot of teams in the NFL that are desperate for a franchise quarterback, and unfortunately for them, that desperation makes them take chances. Think

about it wasn't that long ago twenty seventeen. What are the Bears? They moved up from three to two? Yeah, why to take Mitchell Trubisky. Yes, and they gave up to move up one spot. They gave up number three overall, as the Niners only had to move down one. They gave up an extra third round pick, an extra fourth round pick, and then a third round pick. Then next season, how about two years ago twenty twenty one, Trevor Lawrence went one, Zach Wilson number two. And then what did

the Niners do? They traded three first round picks to move up to number three for trade lance. Yes, so, look, you're absolutely right. History says there's a real good chance better than not of it happening and the Cardinals moving down to a least number four and cashing in the quarterback quotion we'll see. Check out the latest episodes of The Day Pash Podcast to be your preferred podcast provider.

Get the latest updates via Twitter at pashpod. By the way, Darren Rby're gonna join us in this addition to the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. As we roll on every day, I ask Money, I'm like, Money, what you doing with that pick? What you're doing with that pick? He's like, you know what I'm doing with that pick. I don't know what you're doing with that pick.

But a lot of flexibility I think that we have with that because of where we're at, and I know he's got all the different options, how he wants to do things and what we're looking to get out of the certain options. If he chooses to move out of it, What does he mean by that exactly? Mannie austin Ford when he answers Jonathan Gannon with you know what I'm gonna do with that pick. Well, we're here to fill in the blanks. This edition of the Big Red Rage

presented by santan Ford, I Gilbert. We are santan Ford, Paul kelvc Ron Wolfley, and now joined by Cardinals insider and attendee at the NFL Owners Meetings Darren urban Is on board. And Darren, that was a comment made to NFL Network at the Owner's meetings. So, gentlemen, when Jonathan Gannon poses that question of Monnie Austin, Ford says, you know what I'm doing with that pick? Multiple choice here, Either A you're taking Willison. B you're trading in a

way because somebody wants a quarterback? Is there a ci? Yes? What would c be a trade down with the coltson still draft will Anderson? Okay, Paul, that that is the best way to go. You and I both know it. Okay. So Darren, what do you think can we read anything into that SoundBite? Have the Cardinals already decided, for example, what they're doing with number three overall based on that response? Well, I mean to be honest, Paul, based on that response,

the answer could be exactly what you just said. If Monty's telling them, you know what I'm gonna do with that pick. It could be we're either trading down or taking will Anderson. And again, we don't know for sure if it's gonna be will Anderson. Everybody's making that guestimate, but I don't think they know for sure what's going to happen. There's a possibility, yes, that Monte Assenford has been has talked to teams already and has an idea of a potential trade on the clock that somebody said,

we will do this if this is the scenario. So maybe he does have an idea that a trade could happen. But my guess is ultimately this is gonna be about what is happening in those ten minutes that the Cardinals are on the clock after Houston makes their pick, and the Cardinals are on their clock, and they're gonna know, you know, hey, do we want to take will Anderson for example, or is somebody going on a trade up for whoever might be there, whatever quarterback that might be.

And by the way, you know, if those rumors and reports are true that the Texans are truly taking crazy pills and they might take will Anderson number two overall instead of a franchise quarterback. That's not a bad thing for the Arizona Cardinals in my estimation, because wolf that means Bryce Young or c J. Strout is on the board, And that's why the Cardinals hang on to number three until draft night, just in case, and then because what

happens and what are teams willing to trade? You? Oh, if one of those two marquis elite quarterbacks is still on the board at three, that's where you really might

cash it in. Yeah, you know, Polly, there's a rumor that is out there right now that I tend to believe the Tennessee Titans and the fact that Tennessee Titans are sitting there and they're looking at Anthony Richardson at number three and thinking to themselves, Man, can you imagine how beautiful that would be for Anthony Richardson to be handing the ball off to Derek Henry right behind that offensive line in this offense where we use an awful

lot of twelve personnel, two tight ends, we're gonna hammer the ball. Anthony Richardson is so alluring to a Tennessee Titans team. I think that I am more convinced than ever, the Arizona Cardinals are going to have a decision to make. Are you going to draft Will Anderson at number three or are you gonna move down? And I still believe

the Indianapolis Colts are big players in this too. It's funny you bring up the Titans because the reality is given where Derrick Henry is in his career and where Anthony Richardson's going to be in his career, the chances of them playing together significant amounts of years is probably very limited. But I understand what you're saying. If you're the Titans and you're eventually going to want to run the ball with somebody beyond Derrick Henry, you know, maybe

that's a possibility. I think I think it would benefit the Cardinals greatly if that Titans rumor continues to gain steam, because then you do potentially ramp up the pressure on the Colts to make some kind of deal. But I don't know, I don't think anything's been decided. You know what, the Titans need almost as much as a future franchise quarterback wide receiver one. So throw DeAndre Hopkins into it and make it a massive trade package and figure it

all out. Monty and his former team that might come to fruition. Maybe just maybe we do know Jonathan in it has other things to worry about, like, oh, as a first time head coach, getting the off season program rolling, getting the voluntary veteran mini camp going as well. Here's Drew stan former Cardinals quarterback, on the Red Sea Report.

And when we were talking about the importance of the off season work, there's a lot to be said for the continuity that's built when you can just kind of come together and you start building what this roster is going to look like and guys just interacting and playing golf, and those are the things that you look for that you are excited about of being back around your guys, because again, when the season starts, you have to rely on everybody in that locker room, and there's a constant

evaluation process that will begin as soon as you step foot in this building. And for the vast majority of us, you are surviving each and every year to keep your job. And don't think for a second that the new coaches, the new decision makers aren't looking at those players on the field and trying to make an assessment. It's the first time they're seeing them in person out on that

practice field. Drew told a story when he was first into the league, and Wolf, you remember, if you had a new coach and you had one of these off season in mini camps, it might as well be training camp because everybody on that field's trying to show the new coach I'm worthy is sticking and staying on this team. And I think first and foremost guys would be Isaiah Simmons. What exactly is his future? Does he have something to show? Wolf in your estimation? Can he show anything in the

month of April. Have they already looked at the film and made their decision on his future because the decision is due by May second? Yeah, I know that is That is great? Kay, It's a great question right there, POULI. I don't know how to answer that. I do know

this right now. It depends what their culture is. I know that Jonathan Gannon has got a belief as to what kind of team he wants to have and what kind of player he wants walking around that locker room, walking around the facility, building the weight room, modeling that kind of culture. I know he's got that in his mind. I would boy, I would want to talk to Isaiah Simmons. I would want to sit down with Isaiah Simmons. I would want to watch him work. I would want him.

I would want to see him in the strength and conditioning programs and maybe in a meeting room, and how he goes about his business and whether or not he's actually watching the tape and understanding our offense and our terminology. I would want all of that exposure to him before you made your mind up as to what you were going to do. On that May second date, you can get a conversation and potentially, although for me, there was

two things here. First of all, at the owner's meeting, Jonathan Gannon didn't get specific, but when he did talk about Isaiah Simmons getting good news on his health, he tapped his shoulder. Isaiah Simmons did seem to hurt his

shoulder in the season finale last year. So my question is maybe good good news is good news, but we don't even know if he's gonna be able to do anything on the field at the end of April, and even if he is, I'm not one hundred percent sold that you're going to be able to see anything in that short amount of time to let you make a decision on that. I mean, I think you're gonna have to make this decision on the option or the fifth year option completely based on tape, That's my guess, and

a conversation or two. Yes, true. But but in terms of the football part of it, I don't I don't think you're going to get anything worth making a complete choice on the option. You know what, though, do I think honestly, you're going to give him the ability to actually show you he understands the game of football as well? Right, You're you're going to be I mean, if you talk to him, yeah, yeah, oh no, I I again, you can have a conversation, but yeah, that's an eleven million

dollar conversation. I know. Well, how long are you're going to talk to him to decide that you want to give him eleven or twelve million dollars? Yeah? No, that would be a pretty intense conversation. Role. Yeah, but I think you also have to understand just what kind of football player, what kind of mentality is sitting in front of you right now? Do you think he could actually play at the edge? Do you think where where do you where? Do you project him playing in your defense?

What is his comprehension level of your defense and whether or not I think they're gonna want to talk to him. Your point is well taken, there's no doubt about that. I could see them passing on the May second and just saying prove it, and guys, can I just tell you this right now? There's a little piece of me that wants to see how Isaiah Simmons would respond to that happening to where they don't pick up his fifth year option and they say, you know what, this is

why we're not Isaiah, prove us wrong. I would love to see it, you know, Darren, You've asked several questions about Isaiah Simmons, not a lot answers. Last month, they asked Jonathan Ain and have you decided which position group he's going to be with because he spent all of last season starting January of twenty two in the safety's room, right They said, No, that yet to be determined or at least announced. Do you think there'll be enough going on in the field to find enough for us to

tell and discern what they think of Isaiah Simmons? Is he a defensive back? Is he a linebacker? Is he and edge player? Are we going to get an answer to that just visually out at some of these because it's amazing. Kyle Bannabosh I asked him in a recent edition of The Red Sea Report, a guy who played the edge position at a very eye level, do you think that Isaiah Simmons has it in him? And he

said absolutely as the ability to play the edge. But Wolf, we've asked other guys who played the position and they're dubious that he can make that conversion to an edge guy. So I don't know if we're going to own anything more in the month April. I guess it's my question. That's why I want to talk to him and see what kind of mentality. He has. By the way, did you see that Sean Payton and what he said about

Denver and what they're gonna do starting effective immediately. The last year the Broncos didn't run a very competitive training camp. They weren't a very good physical shape. He said, they didn't have much nine on seven or one on one drill. Sean Payton is going to institute all of the above. Why do I think Jonathan Gannon might do the same

with the Arizona Cardinals. We continue with a big red Rage present him by Santan Ford in Gilbert back to Pasco's Dalton on first down fires over the middle, the ball is tipped into the air and picked off of the thirty yard line. Running left and the money Marco Wilson to the ten the high steps and that he does a flip into the ends ope of the tockdown. Marco Wilson with a pick sick and the Cardinals take the lane twenty to fourteen. Boy, did you see Marco

Wilson elevate on that dude pad touchdown flip. What was kind of funny is they're showing the camera angle of Andy Dalton being upset and in the background you can see Wilson launching into the air like it's just part of the background. It looks quite humorous. Passion wolf on the Arizona Cardinals radio network, and it was instantaneous, just the meme, just the viral video of Andy Dalton the io and in the background there's an airborne Marco Wilson

doing a full front flip. Just unbelievable. Athletics's him as he punctuated the pick six. Honestly, guys, Darren urban Ron Wolfley, yours truly Paul Kelveys here in the Big Red Rage

presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. Probably the thing that instantaneously, if anything from last season brings a smile out of my face, it might be that moment right there, just Marco Wilson and the way he punctuated it, Yeah, Paul, especially the meme that came out right and how popular that meme wasn't How great that was, Like, that was incredible? All right. So Marco Wilson is among the cornerbacks still standing still on the roster. Antonio Hamilton is in that

cornerback room as we speak, and one year deal. He just did. Christian Matthew, the seventh round rookie from last year, Nate Harrison, right, Rashad Fenton who was added from the Kansas City Chiefs most recently. He has a ring. But in terms of being a need, I mean, this isn't a want, Ron Wolfley, this is a need still in the offseason, is it? Not? Cornerback? Yeah, Polly, there's no doubt about a cornerback. And unfortunately in the National Football

League it's a need to pick area. There are a lot of teams out there that are looking for corners. Of course, one good thing is Marco Wilson. I think Marco Wilson had an excellent season last year. I'm looking for Marco Wilson to take that next step forward here in his development as an NFL corner. Right now. I think there's no denying the fact that he's got all the talent you could possibly want. He's got the athleticism,

he's got the skills. He's played very, very good. He just needs to be more consistent from game to game, and I would say month to month. You know, a lot of these players, rookies especially take that big jump

from year one to year two. I wouldn't be shocked Aarren Urman if Marco Wilson took a big jump from year two to year three, because he started almost an entire rookie year, and he admittedly said that, you know what, he kind of thought he arrived, and he made that comment a couple of times in a couple of honest moments, and he had sort of a slow start to last season, came on in the second half. I think it continues in year three. I think that's the bet that the

Cardinals are making in part um. I mean, they've always been high on what Marco Wilson could be. They felt like they got a steal in the fourth round when they got them. The measurables are elite, and I do think there was a little bit of growing up that had to do with that when Marco Wilson and that that happens. You know, it's funny when guys get on

the field. And I'm sure Wolf knows all about this, um although I don't really remember what his rookie year was like, but I mean when you when when you put a guy out there, and everybody always gets upset when these draft picks come in and they don't start right away. And one of the things that coaches always says, well, they got to be able to earn it. And people get frustrated while you're picking this guy, why isn't he

Why isn't he in the lineup? Well, this is why, because when for whatever reason, they do end up having to start, there's that chance that they didn't really have to earn it, and then they feel like they don't have to put in the work and they feel like they've arrived. And that's what coaches are trying to avoid. And I you know, there's a learning curve for everybody, and I think Marco Wilson has negotiated it pretty well

these first two years. And I do think, I mean, it's crucial that he's well, I mean, he's gonna be a starter. I don't care if you end up picking a cornerback in the first round or you find a decent veteran. He's gonna be one of your starters. You need him to play well. Look, the ideal scenario was Antonio Hamilton is cornerback three or maybe even cornerback four.

That that's how and especially in the absence of a Byron Murphy who didn't play a lot of last season, especially the second half of last season, you got to figure this out. So okay, Yeah, Marco Wilson, who was rookie year, beat out Malcolm Butler once again. He has all the talent in the world. The good news for the Cardinals is this is a very deep cornerback class historically. In fact, I read earlier today Wolf that they think that there are cornerbacks was starter traits going into Day

three of this draft. Wow, that's how deep this is. And if, for example, the Cardinals do trade out at number three and they end up around seven. If they end up at a number eleven from Tennessee, I would not be shocked if they went cornerback with their first pick in this draft. That's how good some of these guys are. You know what's so cool about that, Polly too. If there's one position where a dude can come in and make an impact on the defensive side of the ball,

it's at corner. It really is, especially if you're a big man team. And that's something we're gonna have to wait and see about Jag and what kind of defense he actually wants to put together here, right But you know, I mean, if you're a big man team, you can have a corner come in and say, Okay, I've got that guy, I'm gonna line up over this guy, and I've got man coverage, and that raw athleticism can really take over right there. If you're gonna play a ton

of zone. It takes a little nuance to play in that zone room for a lot of these young guys coming in, especially in college, because they're playing so much man at the college level right there. But the good news is this that secondary over overall is really really

strong because of the safeties you have back there. I'll be curious to know about the man versus his own thing because one of the things Jonathan Gannon talked about with his defense at the owner's meetings, and he's kind of intimated this before, but he's like, one of the things we want to do is we want to get turnovers. Okay, everybody says that, and we want to make sure they

don't throw the ball over our head. And when I hear they don't they don't throw the ball over our head, that that tells me you're you're gonna lean more towards zone stuff than really manning up a lot shell cover two like so many teams like to play these days.

We'll see it's it's hard to really get a good sense because when you do ask Jonathan Gannon what they're gonna do, it's it's pretty much vague, well in a lot of its space, and if it should be, I might add Derby and his default setting is always going to be we're gonna play what serves our roster best. Yes, but dude, the corner back equation, I think there's some sense to that in that advance. Joseph, for example, would have loved to have manned up his two corners on

an island and dialed up the other nine. He just didn't necessarily have the personnel all the time, didn't have those elite cover corners all the time where he could execute that sort of game plan. But if you end up with Illinois, Devin Witherspooner ran a four four two today right in a private workout, who was a ridiculous shutdown corner. A year ago for the Elini he had an opponent passer rating of twenty nine point three, and that was the lowest in D one by a wide margin.

You get Christian Gonzalez out of Oregon wolf six one and a half right, four three eight forty, Joey Porter Junior, yes, son of the former cardinal six two and a half one ninety three corner out a Penn State who runs a four four five. I mean there are guys, you know, even DJ Turner out of Michigan, who surprised everyone ran in the four two six. There are elite corners all the way. Look top around two for example, Cardinals top

around two. If they go corner, absolutely that's a slam. Yeah, no, Polly, I think you're right about that. Also to you gotta remember Jonathan Gannon. There were a lot of Philadelphia Eagle fans that wanted him to bring more. People wanted him to bring five and six and go after a quarterback, and that was not what JG was doing in Philadelphia.

And there's no doubt about it that secondary, especially your cornerback room, can get a whole lot better if you can actually get pressure on the quarterback, which once again brings us all the way back to our guy, Will Anderson. And if you'd like to take Will Anderson at number three, oh no, even better, moved back to number four. Let the Colts draft their quarterback. You moved back to number four and draft Will Anderson at number four. We've got

a winner, ladies and gentlemen. Well, as Kyle Vanibosch told us, you can pick the best corners in the world, but if you don't have a pass rush, they can only cover for so long exactly, so it always starts with the pass rush. By the way, speaking of strong draft classes in twenty twenty three, and Jonathan Gannon wasn't a wolf. He answered you when you asked him about the fullback when he was first hired, right, And his answer was he laughed. He said, well, I'll say this, we want

to live in eleven, twelve, and thirteen personnel. And remember he said that, yes, the Cardinals need tight ends. Hello, And this is a very strong draft for tight ends as well. Historically, over the first hundred picks, usually an average of four tight ends are taken. This year they said there could be as many as eight, two times the norm. That's how deep it is a tight end Arren. I mean, I think I think there's a chance that

they could take a tight end late. If you're paying zach Ertz what you're paying them, and you just took Trade and Bride in the second round, I don't see how that's going to be a major priority at this point. That's how I see it. You need a number, But if zach Ertz is healthy, you've got your top two tight ends already. Here's the one thing about that, though, Guys, Honestly, if you're gonna go with a lot of eleven personnel, and by the way, that's what the Philadelphia Eagles did.

They went with a lot of eleven personnel, one back, one tight end. Man, if you want to be as balanced as the Eagles were, you gotta be able to run the ball and if you're going to run the ball, that means that tight end in eleven personnel, you better be able to kick somebody's face at the point of attack.

And I don't know if you look at zach Ertz at this point of his career, even Trade McBride, if they got that guy, Hey, maybe you're both right to Darren's point, they go day three for a tight end. But it's a blocking tight end, yes, which would still be on the board day three. So maybe that's the way it plays out. We'll see. Hey. Join the season ticket priority lists select your seats before the general public,

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of attack, that is where Shard Lawrence right there. And what he does man third and two on the seven and they run Walker up the middle east hit and he's dropped back at the ten yard line where Shard Lawrence. Wow, he makes a difference, David, he does. He shows up with third rush defense on the inside. He settled in. Is an excellent nose tackle, no question about that. When

he's on the field, he is a difference maker. You guys know when you stand on the Cardinals practice field during camp, Guys who played the defensive line position the immediately site is get off. Just is burst the way he's being able to penetrate and get up field instantly. Just Kenny, stay on the field. And if you're looking for maybe a precedent for Rochard Lawrence, how about, Oh, I don't know. Is Zach Allen who dealt with a lot of injuries his first few years in the league,

then had a breakout season this past campaign. Maybe just maybe best case scenario, Chard Lawrence is that guy. Twenty twenty three. As we wrap up this addition to the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert, we are santan Ford, Paul KELVC, Darren Urber, and Aron Wolfley and wolf in terms of importance. Right We've talked about the Cardinals and Will Anderson as a pass rusher, that edge guy. Well, what about the interior D line? It

just defensive line depth in general. Where do you rate that as a priority for Manias and Ford? Yeah, play, I think it's huge, it really is. This is something we all were talking about in regard to rebuilding this roster and the fact that that rebuilding of the roster was going to start on the line of scrimmage, the offensive line, of course, and the defensive line. And we've seen the Arizona Cardinals go out in address those two areas right there. I think of Will Hernandez of course,

and Calvin Beecham those signings right now. You know how much I love those two guys and love those signings right there from the Arizona Cardinals because it speaks to the physicality of the offense that I think they want to be able to run. Well, you got to carry that over to the defensive side of the ball as well. They got a bunch of guys right now that have played in the NFL, A bunch of guys that aren't going to the Pro Bowl, but a bunch of guys

that could be glue guys. Hopefully they're going to continue to compete once they get that opportunity on the football field, and to me, I think they'd love to improve with a little Jalen Carter. Is that a possibility if they moved down, if they were to trade with the Tennessee Titans and move back, Maybe Jalen Carter falls that much, Maybe he doesn't. Maybe the Seahawks stakem at five. I don't know, but at some point in time, you need to address the defensive line, and I think they'd love

to be able to do that if they could. You had an interview acy cardinals dot com Darren where you talk to a guy former first round pick of the Seahawks. Here was his quote after signing with the Cardinals. I get to see the Seahawks two times a year, and I'm excited about that. It's a fresh opportunity. I appreciate these guys taking the chance on me. They could have gotten anybody and they went with me. I'm going to make sure they don't regret that. Give mean what the

sense was when LJ. Colliers said that to you? Oh, I you know, I think he's very I mean, here's a guy who, again a first round pick, didn't quite pan out in Seattle in his four years, missed a little time with injury, was inactive a few times, wasn't hugely productive. And I think he very well knows that he wasn't hugely productive. And I'm sure that came up when they didn't pick up his fifth round a fifth year option and let him walk after his fourth year.

So I think he's again aware that he's got some things to prove, and he says he's going to do that now, saying it when you're signing and doing it on the field or two different things. But if you're talking about wanting somebody who's motivated, and in fact, one of the quotes he had in there, or one of the parts of the quote was one of the reasons he wants to do well is so he can make more money, which I don't have a problem with happening

a motivational fact, and he's not. He didn't sign for a ton of money here, so if he has a big year, then he's gonna make money. And guess what a one year contract should be motivating? Yeah, because it's now or never. As far as that goes. How about a Carlos Watkins who just signed over from the Cowboys. I bring that up because we're talking sixty nine career games, thirty six starts, world five career sacks. But it's amazing the blowback from all of the Cowboys fans that they're

really disappointed he moved on. And we know the Cowboys are loaded along that defensive line. So slowly but surely, Mania support has built some depth along this defensive line. They have about ten guys right now in that room. And seemingly at the start of the year, after Zach Allen took off and JJ Watton retired, you're like, man, okay, who's left? Yeah, No, you're right about that, Pauli once again too, And I see a lot of guys that are pros, you know. I see a lot of guys

that are gonna compete on the line of image. We'll see how it goes. But I think one of the strategies here from Jonathan Gannon and the coaching staff is to raise the floor. But you've heard me talk about this, Paulie, raise the floor and the talent level of the floor on this roster, as opposed to raising the ceiling and not having a good base, a good foundation. That's what's going to be really interesting to me as well to

watch to see if they can do that. And it looks like to me on the defensive line, that has been the strategy right now. Go out and get guys that have played games in the National Football League, Go out and get guys that have started games in the National Football League, and try to build that floor and raise that floor up on that talent level on the

d line. And guess what if accountability was an issue last year and complacency went along with that, Almost every guy in that defensive line room is on a one year deal or in a proven year, every single guy. So you got to figure the hunger is going to be there, the competitive competitiveness is going to be there. And Darren, we've talked about this on Cardinals Underground the podcast. I think every bit of building this team and rebuilding this roster is instilling a mindset as much as it

is a skill set. I would agree with that. And the thing is is when you have all these guys, I mean they've they've signed a bunch of free agents, a lot of names, just a bunch of names, not just on the defensive line, but always. But like, there's no guarantee that any of these guys make the final roster. Nobody's signing a contract in such a way that yeah, oh yeah, he's absolutely going to be here. Maybe maybe Kizer White and maybe Zach Pascal. But the rest of them,

I'm not one hundred percent. Now they some of them are going to have better chances than others. But am I going to get shocked if any of these guys are on the cuts? And this year they're making it so it's there's only one cut down? So what what's your reaction, Darren? When I say the name Jalen Carter? Is it a possibility for a team that flamed out with Robert Kndici arguably the most talented player in that draft pound for pound, Albeity went at number twenty nine

as opposed to a top ten pick. Do you think Jayalen Carter is a possibility? We know it's a need for the Cardinals of that physic or just period if they trade down, I would surmise I don't know. I'll be honest, I have not heard a whole lot of Jalen Carter around this team, and that doesn't mean anything necessarily, but sometimes that can be by design. The player they named belie. But but he is a guy who everybody

keeps saying Will Anderson's motor is unbelievable. You don't hear that with Jalen Carter and after And what we've all found with defensive lineman is if you don't have somewhat of a mom it's very easy not to have a motor for a big defensive lineman. And that would that would just frighten me as a really high pick. Can I throw out Jordan Phillips a couple of years ago? Yeah? How frustrating is it to watch a massive defensive lineman with all that athleticism mailed in two out of every

three snaps? Yeah? Yeah, boy, you really have to wonder too, Jayalen Carter and you know, okay, he was he was a guy that a lot of people were saying could be the first player taken in the draft. Um, that is not probably going to be the case, as we all know, it's going to be a quarterback. But can you imagine the Raiders sitting there at seven? Guys? Could

Jail and Carter be there at seven? If the Cardinals were to trade to the Raiders and let the Raiders come up and get a little Anthony Richardson maybe at number three, and then all of a sudden you go back to number seven. Yeah, I could see that being impossibility. Maybe maybe depending on how far he falls, even with Tennessee at eleven. And look a lot of a lot of these mock drafts right now have the Bears in

number nine taking a jail and carter. So we'll see, you know, you know he's not taking any visits with teams outside the top ten confident, Yeah, which rules out, which might rule out a lot of teams trading into the top ten to pick him. That's where the mistake might be by Drew Rosenhaus, his agent. All I know is when I watched that pro day and he's completely out of shape and not finishing drills, how can that not be a red flag? Ron Wolfley, how can that? It's got to be? It is. It is a red

flag right now. You have to wonder was he thinking too much about his his incident, his accidents and what happened, And you know, I don't care at that point in time. That is a massive red flag, at least it is to me Hey. Season six, Episode two of Cardinals Flight Plans streaming right now via the Cardinals YouTube page at YouTube dot com. Slash Acy Cardinals. By the way, news today, we have another player who is going to wear number zero. It's Marvin Jones of Alliance. So that makes five. Oh

I got one more? Oh you do? Yeah, breaking news, Zach Pascal. Oh oh, I did not know that. Wow, it was worth the weight here on the Big Red Ring. Here you go. Although that ruins my plan of giving Will Anderson zero, letting them wear number zero off the edge for the next decade. I don't know. We don't want to wear a zero ball? Why not? Cause Paul we have Bell talk double zero like Jim Otto. All Right, that'll do it, Darren Darman, Ron Wolfley, Jim I'm under

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