Big Red Rage - Cam Turner Talks Kyler And Pass Game

State Farm? Talk to an Agent today at eight hundred State Farm, And by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts Visit Acy Cardinals dot Com, Slash Podcasts, The Reds, Rising Guard, Temperaturizing vision, flurring rage, taking it over. Here's Paul Calvci. I'm ready. I'm one hundred percent ready. I'm telling you I'm ready, and wrong will flee. It doesn't get any better than that, boy, unleash the far. It was the night before the preseason opener, Wolf, when all through the Red Sea not a starter was

stirring except for three Zavian Marco Willo Hernandez. Cardinals cleats were hung by their lockers with care and hopes that a roster spot would soon be there. The coaches were nestled all snug in their beds with visions of air free and injury free football dancing in their heads. When out on the Great Lawn there arose such a clatter. It was the Turk with a preseason proclamation that games might not count, but they matter. Paul, What are you doing?

What are you doing right now? Honestly? Preseason openers tomorrow night, and I'm just thinking, you know, it's kind of like a holiday, right it's a holiday to football fans. The season is gone. I thought i'd get into the holiday spirit. But when we get some football all out there and once again, it might not count, but it matters. And that's our intro. Wolf to the Big Red Rate presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford. Paul, I can I just sell you right now for this wedgebuster?

You freaked me out right there. I'm looking at my calendar on my phone. What date is it? Okay, Paul? Next, it's Christmas in August. It's that's the way we're thinking to this right now, Wolf, after over two weeks of camp practices, are you not ready for a game? No, there's no doubt about it, Paul, Friday Night, I cannot wait. In particular, I would have to say, because there is going to be an appearance by some starters. Some guys the Arizona Cardinals are definitely going to depend on to

take a vast majority of the reps this year. You've got Will Hernandez as a guy that is going to actually play on Friday night. Cannot wait to see this brawler. You got Zaven Collins, Zaven Collins. How many reps will he get? Maybe fifteen, over fifteen, maybe over twenty reps, who knows. And then of course Goal Wilson is out there Devon Kennard as well. You've got some guys the Arizona Cardinals are going to look to and depend on to actually be starters this year that are going to

play on Friday Night. Pollie, Yeah, it's the quarterbacks though, that'll be most conspicuous. And by the way, moments away, Cam Turner, quarterbacks coach and co passing game Coordinata, will join us on the Big Red Rage. So we're gonna get to the bottom of a few issues in Cam.

Of course, the media obviously has been all over the head coach on a daily basis for an update on Kyler Murray, and first it was COVID, then it was trying to acclimate him back, you know, and maybe making too many throws early because he reported with the rookies and maybe or maybe not had something to do with the risk. So Cliff Kingsbury today for example, asked about okay, Kyler Murray and then his center Rodney Hudson. What's the latest.

We feel good about his progression. Next week, I think he'll be back out there and we'll still be smart, but just getting him the team reps, building that rapport. Hopefully we get Rodney Hudson at some point next week and can get the band back together and start moving forward as a first offensive unit. You know, it's the preseason when you look at the depth chart and Kyler Murray is your fourth string quarterback in the down is Up depth chart that the Cardinals put out for this

first preseason game. By the way, day Pass very appreciative as a guy who does a spot spotting board, right because they're telling you who exactly is going to play and who is not. And Kyler Murray is a four string quarterback. He's not going against the Bengals. Yeah, Paul, you play by play guys, you're just so high maintenance, will you knock it off plays. I mean, I understand what it's all about, and I get it. It did

make a lot of sense. You know what, though, I looked at that depth chart, Polly, and I saw it as a prove it chart house Well, just looking at some of the guys that I think are going to be starters. I already mentioned it, I Will Hernandez. Do you think Will Hernandez Polly is going to be the right guard for the Arizona Cardinals. I would, yes, I would.

I think we'd agree on that right there. And yet he's listed as a starter when every other guy on that offensive line is third team, fourth team, if you know what I mean, Paully, So to me once again, they're gonna give Will Hernandez some reps. I think it's a situation. They just want to see a little grease

from this guy. They want to see him actually get out there, kind of like having a new toy, Pollie, kind of like having a new ride and you can't wait to jump in your Mustang, Paul, your new Mustang and go for a ride. Because that's exactly the way I think they look at Will Hernandez right now. They want to take that guy for a little spin out there on Friday night. Yeah, no doubt. You don't truly know what you have until you have a game situation and then you have some game film to evaluate, So

I would totally agree with that. Also, I'm guessing they want to get him acclimated into the playbook and if there's gonna be a checks of the line and trying to learn the system. For example, a couple of new guys have said, you know, it's new getting used to the hand signals now that usually applies more to the weapons in the interior offensive lineman. But yeah, look there's

a checklist. The head coach he knows what he wants to see, and of course the media asked him that yesterday, right though obligatory, Okay, coach, what do you want from the preseason opener? There's a culmination a lot of hard work for a lot of these young guys to get

out there and show what they can do. So I really enjoy the preseason games and I'd say it's more evaluation than anything, and then we want to see how they take what they got right, what they got wrong, and move forward in the game too, And so it'll be a good starting point. Oh, paul I love that right there, y'all. Really, it's going to be more of an evaluation, is it really? Because Zaven Collins is going

to be starting as well. PAULI. Zaven Collins going back to the prove it chart once again, not the depth chart, the prove it chart going into Friday night and playing the Cincinnati Bengals, Zaven Collins. I think Zaven thinks he's gonna get more than fifteen reps. At least that's what he told me. He thinks he's gonna get more than fifteen reps in this game. Here's a young guy that

is making his way. Here's a young guy that you know that Cliff Kingsbury wants to see vance Joseph wants to see go out there and play in all different kinds of down and distances, not just rundown situation first and ten, second and one to six, but also third and obvious past situations. They want to see Zaven Collins. They want him to go out there on to prove

it mentality and take some reps. And then you've got Marco Wilson as well, PAULI, Marco Wilson, you're familiar with the comments of Cliff Kingsbury challenging Marco Wilson saying the jury is still out that he needs more consistency in his play. That's another guy that is listed as a starter that we know had a great season through the first twelve thirteen weeks of last season before he tailed off at the end hit a rookie wall. He had a great season. So there's a lot of young guys

that have to prove it. Paul. If you're playing, if you're starting this game, that means you do not have a starting spot wrapped up in a lot of cases. For example, Byron Murphy Junior is four string. Nick vigil is four string. They're both I would think considered slam dunk starters right now at their two respective positions. With Zaven Collins just based on the fact that he didn't getting very many defensive snaps a year ago because the

injury and performance. Zaven Collins, if he can't go out there against a Villaal offense and mostly backups for the Bengals, if he doesn't look dominant or at least adequate, then yeah, that would be a giant red flag. And then of course Marco Wilson, who's been put on semi blast by the head coach. You just needs to see more or at least needs to see consistency out of a corner. They hope and expect to be a top two guy, but until he absolutely just nails it shot, they're not

handing it to either guy. Yeah, Paul, he can I just say this quickly as well. If this is growth I think from Cliff Kingsbury, from the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals. Have you ever heard Cliff Kingsbury call a player out, Paul? Honestly, I'm trying to remember. No, Paulie, you have not heard that. I haven't heard that either. And when I heard Cliff Kingsbury say what he did about Marco Wilson once again, a guy that was the talk of training camp last season and played extremely exceedingly

well through the first twelve weeks of last season. Now, all of a sudden, you've got Cliff Kingsbury calling out a player saying we got to see more and I love it. That's growth out of our head coach. Until this year, what was his m He would take the blame, but in a lot of cases it was unwarranted, but he would be the guy who took the arrows from the media and took the blame and stepped in front of the player and would to flect. But now look,

I just think it's in line with everything we've talked about. Well, if this has been an off season of accountability, last year was an offseason of bringing in leadership. This year it's been an offseason of bringing in accountabilit right down to hard knocks coming to town. Another layer of accountability the head coach holding players accountable with the press. So once again, Cliff Kingsbury, you mentioned some of the names, but he was officially asked if any starters, guys he

considers starters right now will go against the Bengals. Not a ton. I mean we're gonna play some guys who have a chance, like Xavin will play, some Guardek will play, some Marco on defense. Offensively, Yeah, not too many guys that I think we'll crack that starting lineup. He heard Guardeck there too. That's interesting. Now we know Marcus Golden has been out with what they're calling a toe injury, and maybe Devon Knard that battle is still up four

grabs with Dennis Gardeck. But would you not say that Dennis Gardeck looks much more like the two twenty version than the twenty twenty one version coming off the ACL. Yeah, PAULI, he does. There's no doubt Dennis Gardeck. And again remember you're talking about a defensive coordinator, Advanced Joseph. Whether you like Vance Joseph or not, you need to understand he built his reputation in the National Football League at the

highest level. Our species going to generate on five man pressures and bringing five man pressures, six man blitzes or more. Of course, if you're gonna go cover zero and five man pressure packages, complex pressure packages where you didn't know which five are actually coming, that is what Vance Joseph is known for in the National Football League. He schemes a lot of pressures. And if you want proof on that, you look at a Hassan Reddick and you look at

Dennis Gardeck. Those two guys in particular, you're scheming up sacks. A little bit later, we're going to talk about who specifically we want to see, especially some of the young guys. But to me, Cardinals go into this game and there's been a lot of I guess consternation to a degree over Okay, Wait a minute, are they bringing any sort of time time signs in? Are they going to bring any proven veterans off the street at corner or edge? Well,

I think we can read into this. They want to see what they have when Marco Wilson is starting, when Antonio Hamilton is going as well, when Dennis Gardeck is gone. I think they want to really evaluate what they have in terms of an edge rush, in terms of that cornerback room, and then decide accordingly if they have to go outside this team and invest some money. All right, Our guest tonight is fifth year with the Cardinals, named QB's coach last year co passing game coordinator this year.

What's the next step for Kyler? What's he getting from calling plays Kyler? And what's the deal with the green hat? Cam Turner? Is next? The Big Red Rage presented by Santan four in Gilbert. Here comes Kyler Murray, the number one overall pick in the NFL draft, and the future of the franchise takes the field for the first time. That is a great throw, a great read by Kyler Murray for you could just see it. Kyler Murray and

the confidence started to grow. They have seen the Heisman Trophy winner, a winner his whole life, backing it up with his play have a thirty half the twenty at the fifteen ten five cups down, Kyler Murray, you are ridiculous, Murray magic, nasty, isis nasty does And we all know that Kyler Murray is nasty. The stuff you see in dreams and in video games, but not in the NFL.

And we've all had a front row seat the last three years to a Rookie of the Year, a couple of Pro Bowls of more highlights than we have time for, but nobody has had a seat like our guest tonight on the Big Red Rage present of Ice, santan Ford, and Gilbert as we welcome in Cam Turner, quarterbacks coach and now co passing game coordinator. I mean when I say front row seat, Cam, you're you're sitting next to Kyler Murray the majority of every game. Correct, Yeah, every

game since since he got here. And I'm a little thrown. I'll be honest with I need to confirm that. You know, I don't know, maybe I should ask for ID or something because you're not wearing the green hat. Okay, you know, so it throws me a little bit. How much notoriety do you get for the green hat? Because talking to Darren Urban Easy Cardinals dot com, he does get mail bag questions, Hey, where can I get a green hat

like Coach Turner? Yeah, I get it, especially from my family, my mom, dad, sisters, and then the random emails or calls I'll get, you know, to my office phone, which is interesting. And I guess they don't sell it at the team store, so people are trying to find it. So people actually find your direct extension and they leave voicemails asking that's good, that's some good investigative work by the Red Sea. I wish I could help him, but I don't have an answer, and why what's behind the

green hat? As long as we're there, you know, just with our style of offense, we're up tempo, no huddle type offense, a lot of communications coming from the sideline to the receivers, running backs, tight ends, what formation we're in, who's on and off the field. They know directly to look at the sideline and can find the green hat, and they can I'm gonna tell him who's on the field and where to line up. Gotcha. It's interesting. You just wrapped up with practice and role reversal. We saw

Kyler wearing the headset. Yes, that was fun. It is fun, you know. So to what degree is he easy really calling plays? I think I heard him say no, no no, no, I'm just reading these plays are already scripted. But then I see him mail pointing, And what do you think he's learning in that process? Is there some valuable insight that he's gleaning. Perhaps so it's at a little at both. He's reading from a script. Practice is scripted, but within that period that is scripted, there's checks and he's in

the quarterback's ear. He's saying, if they do this, do that, we can get to this play, check out of this. But then we go two minute at the end of practice and he is true calling it live, you know, no script. He has a call sheet with all of our inventory, everything that we put in to date, and he's calling it, you know, with the forty second' clock and everything's going on and situational penalties and clocks. He's handling it. Well, that's good. And what do you hope

he learns about that aspect of the game. I think there's different things you think about as a play caller. You know, you have to look ahead, all right, if this is incomplete, or if this is complete inbounds it's two minute. There's a lot of situational things he has to think about. You know. Our clock management coach Rogers was on the sideline with us and he's alright, we're

gonna take a time out if it's inbounds. So he's thinking of plays where we can get out of bounds, or what the next play is gonna be in what formation we have to get into. Cam Turner our guest quarterbacks coach, co passing game coordinator. So what do you think is the next step for Kyler this season? You know, I think a lot of it is the mental part.

You know, he's got every physical tool you can imagine, you know, but everyone can get better mentally and seeing the field and just getting the experience and getting the protection right, getting into a different play and from the day here, he's coming a long way as far as learning it and soaking it all in and having great ideas and he's always being creative and thinking of ideas and bringing them up to us, which is we love it. It's awesome because he's the one out there. We only

get a little slice of what really happens. But multiple times last year we heard stories that Cardinals would score have a big chunk play, and a lot of it was the direct result of Kyler making a check at the line of scrimmage right at the time. I mean, he has a great feel for it, and he's always an attacking mode. So if he's seeing something he wants to attack, he's gonna call it and attack it. And he has that freedom because I had a marketing mantra

when he first arrived. Come for the arm, stay for the legs, and then we've added fear of the mind, right because now if he can start beating defenses between the year holes, look out right, no doubt and he's gotten I mean, his football knowledge is great. You know, his instincts and he has a great feel for the game. It's just learning how we do things and what concepts he can get to in our system and out of

what protections and all that. But as far as instincts and feel for the game, it's best I've ever been around.

Camp Turner our guest here on the Big Red Rage quarterbacks coach, and it was interesting because it was Kurt Warner came on the big Red Rage recently said to him, and then David Carr and Ed Feld Network said the exact same thing, that the key for Kyler any young quarterback is making the layups, taking the easy completions that sometimes they'll neglect an easy completion and they'll look down field when you know the better choice is just to go with the easy throw. And to what degree do

you think is that's something that he can improve on? Sure, I mean, I think that's a huge part of the game. Rights it's a difficult position. It's a difficult game. So when you are presented with an opportunity to take a gimme if you will, you gotta take it. And you can't pass one up to try to get something bigger and better because there's no guarantees that's going to be there.

So that's always an emphasis. And you know, we love our one on one matchups with our receivers we have and anytime we can get one on one with a good look, you know, we're picking our guys. Last question on your fourth string quarterback and then we'll move on to who's playing. And I say that because a depth chart came out and it's jarring to see Kyla Murray

as a fourth string quarterback. But as Dave Pash, voice of the Cardinals, we were talking, you know, we appreciate the depth chart because it really tells us Sue's playing Friday against Cincinnati. You know, a lot is made about Kyler Murray and on the sideline, and a lot of those times he's sitting next to you and the camera catches him. Justin Pugh brought up that, you know what, if you put a camera on me the entirety of

the game, you'll get a variety of reactions. And as the sideline reporter, you don't see Kyler Murray coming down and talking to the offensive lineman, good or bad. Sometimes he's giving him props. Sometimes there's a kick in the tailpad. Last year in Nashville, Tennessee, you saw players coming off the field. He was holding them accountable as the franchise quarterback. Where there was a rookie like Rondel Moore, whether it was DeAndre Hopkins. So there's a lot that fans don't

necessarily see on the sideline. They only get a quick glimpse from a sideline camera. Correct is loving him up, he is getting going, He's hey, here's our here's how we're changing this with the receivers be ready for this check. He is in constant communication on the sideline with myself, you know, the skill guys, the offensive line. Um, yeah, that camera pans on him. If a camera was on me all game, I'd be guilty as well, because it highs and lows for the game. So, so what are

you looking forward to the most? Actually teeing it up and going against the Bengals preseason style, But what are you looking for? Where do you think this team is at on offense and in particular the passing game. You know, I'm I'm excited obviously about the quarterbacks. Trace you know, he's in his fourth year, and then we got Jared, he's a rookie. I'm excited about both of them. They've been practicing well. They they've handled everything mentally, I mean

very well. I'm excited about them. And then along with our skill guys. Because you put the you go into a game and it's alive, bullets start flying. You can see who can break tackles, you can see who's a gamer, who can make guys miss m That's what I'm excited about him When it comes to Trace McSorley He's got an intriguing skill set, doesn't he. Yes, very um you know, looking at him coming out of college, we actually went to a visit him, worked him out, and happens he's

with us now. But we loved him coming out of college. We loved his skill set and very bright, understands the game, very athletic, can run and can make all the throws. So you know, I'm excited to get him out there and let him do what he does. Yet, in the Red White, I thought Jared Guarantano, he had a couple of plays he sold the athleticism evading an all out blitz coming to the nearest sideline and he threw on

the run a rope down the sideline. Greg Dorch snagged it, and I mean he saw a little bit everything on just that single play by Guarantanna, who I guess originally was at Tennessee and then most recently from Washington State. Right. Yes, And his Washington State career was one year and he only played I think two quarters he had an injury, So I'm that kind of he was kind of under the radars are as the draft and all that big guy, big arm, can make all the throws and you see them.

One he made in the Scrimmers on the sideline was unbelievable, roll into his right, laid it out there with a nice touch, and it was a completion. It was one of the better throws at Canda. There's a lot of weapons out there, isn't there? I mean, and there's a lot of opportunity for some of these younger unknown receivers to make an impression and put some film out there. Maybe,

if not for the Cardinals thirty one other teams. Oh yeah, there's definitely a lot of NFL receivers on our roster that that should be playing on some team on Sundays. Has Kyler got in any complaints? You know when he's when he's got the headset on Aby complaining about their targets with Kyler? You know, I'm sure they're all. I'm

sure they all are. How about a couple of guys who seemingly have stood out a Greg Dortch, maybe Victor Bolden junior, smaller guys I was talking with the wolf on the side, like Annie Isabella hasn't dropped a pass in camp. There's a role for that smaller quick guy, especially if Ron del Moore is gonna be more of a downfield type receiver this year, right, I think both. I mean side slot guy, the shifty find the windows and then the outside guy who's gonna take the top

off the defense. And I'm really stretched the field vertically. But yeah, definitely, I mean Greg Dortch and Andre all those guys have been making plays and I'm excited to see him in the games. Camp Turner, our guests, quarterbacks coach, co passing game coordinator. So what does a Hollywood Brown do once the regular season starts and once we see him out there in a real game, what do you think Hollywood Brown does for this offense? I mean, I think he's gonna be electric. You know, you see him.

We've seen glimpses of him catch the ball and just take off separate top of the route. We just as a coaching staff, we have to do a good job of getting him the ball, finding ways to get him the ball, be creative and let those guys do what they do best. I was watching a little bit of a game last year. I think it was Dallas and there was thirteen personnel. People don't realize. Yeah, first play of the game, right, you click there you go that that cliff three tight ends out there, yes, and Greg

Doorche made a big catch. Absolutely can entering your tight end room this year when healthy. What do you think that means for this Cardinals office and just in general this Cardinals offense. What do you think the evolution looks like here in year four? I think we can continue to be versatile and personnel, you know, go three tight ends, which you mentioned thirteen personnel. We major an eleven personnel, which is three receivers. But I think you can do

everything in between. You can do with two running backs on the field. You can go two tight ends. And you used to be versatile and make defenses work on a lot of different things. True or false. When this Cardinals offense was really firing last year, the run game was a critical part. The run game was successful last year when the offense was really averaging thirty plus a game. Oh absolutely, that's a huge part of I'd say any offense, you know, get that running game going, and that's why

it's huge. We got James connorback that is that is very important for our offense and to run the ball and then also to open up the play action and you know, all the counters off of it and down this wretch. I think there was only one game where Chase and James were healthy and playing together. Right, So if you get that one two punch, you know an Eno, Benjamin at Daryl Williams, et cetera behind him, do you do you envision that being a dual role, that running

back and enough touches for both guys? I think so, you know, because that's a hard position to play, so you want to keep him fresh. UM, roll him in and out and get those guys going, and have a plan for James, have a plan for Eno, have a plan for Daryl, and and let it go and keep those guys fresh. How's the throwing arm? By the way, as a former college quarterback, you know, are you on a pitch count? How's it going? A very limited pitch

count and about under ten yards? So all right, last question for gamp Turner, UM, no d hop for six weeks. What didn't happen the end of last season that needs to happen this season? You know, I just think we have to do a good job as a staff as as far as game planning and playing to our guys strengths to Hollywood, to Zach Ertz, Everyone's strengths, you know, Aj and just have a good rotation and kind of overcome that for six weeks, but we're definitely going miss him.

He's an unbelievable player. It obviously makes a quarterback job easier, you know, just throwing to d Hop, But does it make it easier to read coverage when d Hop gets all that attention? We definitely see different coverages when he's not in. You know, we're seeing different coverages, different philosophies by the defense. I don't know if it's easier. It's different, you know, because you're you're getting different things. But when you have him out there, you know pretty much what

you're getting. That's right, all right, Well, yeah, what's the saying about? Right, You're gonna get an exposed or get exposure in these preseason games right when the lights come on, no doubt. Yeah, and AJ Green will be the center

of attention down there on the sideline. So now we look forward to it this year, Coach, We appreciate the insight, and I think everyone's looking forward to a where the offense goes Kyler Murray as well, and we'll look for you in the green hat down to the sideline this year sounds good. I'll be there, thanks for having me. Yeah,

there's camp Turner everyone. We'll be back with more and the big red rate presented by santan Ford right after this, I want a good job at the mortum attack right there and say like DJ Humphrey's got a nice block. DJ Humphrey's pumping his chest and his fist after the Cardinals moved the sticks. Yeah. DJ Humphrey's really has been a plus. Has a hole up the middle to the thirty five yard line, a huge hole. Great job by

DJ Humphrey's at the point. If you had told me this in twenty fifteen, at first, you know what I mean. At first, Rickey minicap that distance is going to be the case eight years later, I probably would have laughed at you, you know what I mean. But build on this side of him, and it's definitely sweet man being able to you know, secure my future here and nope,

I'll be able to be here. I always wanted to play for one team so annoying, and I'm able to be in a physician to continue to keep their dream of out Excuse me. D J Humphries during the beginning of camp after his three year contract extension fifty one million in total value thirty three million. Garonteed, it's almost like a proud parent. Well, if you and me right,

DJ Hmprey's former player, host of this show. We've literally watched him grow up, Yeah, really young and by his own admission, immature twenty year old to what he is now one of the best left tackles in the game. Yeah, no doubt about it. Ballly, it is kind of cool to see that, and that's got to be so rewarding as well. Inside an organization, you go ahead, you draft a guy high, and then you develop him. You see

him grow through some of the valleys. Of course, you see him grow in terms of handling the peaks, even in doing that with wisdom and strength, and that certainly has been the case with DJ Humphries. This is a guy that has grown up, as you said, Pauli, before our eyes, but more so off the field maybe that even on the field. Yeah, and you know what a big reason why was Chandler Jones. It's this time of

year where he got better. He got better going against Chandler Jones all those years in Cardinal's camp and now he's counted on. Rarely does he get help. I asked Cliff Kingsbury about that. Rarely do they send someone over to his side to help out at a block or any anything like that. So they're counting on him big time. And you know, it's funny because it's almost like we're

back two years ago. Well, there's a narrative out there from some of the national media that the Cardinals old line is a weakness again, and I'm just wondering what your take on that is and where do you consider it as strength? Do you consider it a question mark? Where are you on this Cardinals offensive line? Because in fact, let's hear from Sean Coogler, because he mentioned how this

starting group is pretty much set. Here. Sean Coogler, the ole line coach, you know, I think our starting five's close to being set. There's still guys battling for spots, but most of the battles are for backup spots and trying to be that seventh or eighth guy on game day and then making the active rosters. And again, we get a lot of really good battles at those spots, and I couldn't tell you which one of those guys

is gonna stand out. It's really going to depend on the preseason games for me, paul A, Right now, I look at the Cardinals offensive line. I see an above average offensive line with Will Hernandez as your right guard and with Rodney Hudson back at center. You got to remember, four of the five guys that are coming back guys who actually played together last year. Three of the five have played together four years, Polly. So I look at this situation where I think it is going to be

an above average offensive line right now. And keep in mind, Polly, you don't need to have a top ten offensive line to win in the National Football League. You don't. You go back and you look at it. What you need is an offensive line that is good enough, Polly, to allow your skill, your talents to do what they do. Does that make sense, Paul, Well, you know what's remarkable.

They're taking on the Bengals. And when you look at some of the Bengals info from last year and the run to the Super Bowl, you forget that Joe Burrow, including the playoffs, was sacked seventy times. Yes, and they still made the Super Bowl. Yes, it's remarkable. Now, they went out and they tried to find three new starters in the offseason was definitely a need. They can't let that happen to the franchise quarterback much longer. He won't

be around much longer. But to your point, somehow the Bengals made that offensive line work where Joe Burrow was able to still execute the offense. That's right, Polly, And again, you don't have to have the greatest man. You just gotta have guys that are going to be pros. I look at this offensive line right now with Will Hernandez Paulli. Will Hernandez is the baby. He's going into his fifth year, Paul, Will Hernandez is the baby. This guy, he looks like

a baby. This guy is a starter and has been a starter and the National Football League for a long time now going into his fifth This is a veteran. This is a hardcore veteran going into his fifth year right now. And I like the offensive line now that Rodney Hudson of course has come back, and we'll see how it goes. But over the last two years, there's not a position room on the Arizona Cardinals roster that has been attacked and much maligned more then the offensive line.

And man, I'll tell you what it's just not the case now. Injuries last year, when Rodney Hudson in particular went down, yeah that was bad. It was not great. The end of the season, yeah it was bad. They had some really really bad games, in particular against the Rams the last couple of time they played the Rams, Pauli. But having said that, overall, once again, I think this is going to be an above average offensive line for

the Cardinals. Well, and if you want to talk about injuries, I'll go all the way back to Justin Murray early in September last year, because right guard was a liability pretty much all season, especially against Aaron Donald. And so it's no fluke that they went out and got Will Hernandez. And you know what, Will Hernandez has every reason to be mighty motivated this year. He's on a one year contract. Is Pro Football Rating right? Pro Football Focus rating went

down every single year of his career. He said his best season and he agrees was his rookie year. And will also tell you there was a lot of Sean Cougler on that tape. Was his college coach. So he came here for a reason. He didn't break the bank coming here. So look, there's a lot on the line for Will Hernandez on both parties because the Cardinals that

was a liability last year that particular position. So if the starters are set, really the question starting with this game tomorrow night is okay, who's going to full out the rest of the room. As Justin Peuse said recently, it's been a competitive camp for the old line group. We have a lot of competition in our offensive line room. And I always say us every year, the more competition

you have, the better. We played fourteen different offensive lineman last year, so you have to have guys ready to play. So having Harlow getting valuable reps, having Josh Jones getting valuable reps, that's great for our team. You know what I love about a Paully the backups right now? What, Baul, what are you laughing? Is that true? Fourteen different old lineman played last year? Is that accurate? Yeah, Polly, Yeah, No, I was blown away when I heard that as well.

Now I'm with you on that, Paul. That is an incredible number right there. But once again, I like three guys in particular, and I would say one of the three they're interchangeable with another. But Sean Harlow of course would be a guy that is more center than anything else, and I see him making this team. Justin Murray is more guard, even though he's played tackle, and he's played it very very well. Remember the first year and Justin Murray was here twelve games Paul, he went out and

started for the Arizona Cardinals. Justin Murray is more guard though than I see tackle. Josh Jones is more tackle than I see as a guard. Yet at the same time, we know that Justin Murray can play tackle and play guard, and Josh Jones can play tackle of course and play guard. But then there's also Coward, the new guy Paul, and he's turning some heads. What was interesting is they actually had him at tackle a little bit. Rashad Coward, who has NFL experience. He started over a dozen games in

this league. So I think he's made enough of an impression early in this camp that they're now seen, Okay, what is his position flexibility? Because I think he came in and he was touted as a backup guard or interior offensive lineman. And then there's two rookies who are going to get a long look in the preseason. Number fifty four Lucida Smith, who's a guard by trade but has played a lot of center out of necessity without Rodney Hudson in this camp. And then Marquis says Lucida

Smith is a sixth rounder. Marquis says, the seventh rounder out of Oklahoma. The rep on Marquis Hays is he has a bit of nasty in him as well. And I'm guests and Wolf, I mean, you've watched a lot of the offensive line. Sean Coogler is gonna have an eye in those two rookies in this game. Yeah, there's no doubt. Probably they're gonna get an awful lot of reps right now. And again, you got to remember the practice squad. I think they're gonna keep nine, that's what

I think. I think they'll keep nine players on the fifty three. And I think we've already talked about those backups, those four guys in particular right there. But I think, once again, with a practice squad, you can always keep ten, eleven, twelve offensive lineman. I've seen as many as twelve, if in fact, you like some of these young guys right here.

But it's gonna be very interesting to see the development of Lucida Smith in particular, there's a guy that I think his future is center in the National Football League, not guard. I think it's more center, Pauliny. It's because of his anchor. Man, he's a Paul. He's got an anchor right now, He's gonna sit that thing down. And when he sits that thing down, man, you're not gonna

move him very much. How about you know Benjamin saying that ever since his ASU days, that he likes to go into the offensive line room and watch film with the offensive lineman, that it helps him as a running back to see reads and play quick Have you ever heard of that before? Wolf is a guy who spent a lot of years in a running back room. Yeah, you know, Paully, No, I would go in and watch a lot of tape in terms of protection with the offensive lineman. I did that a lot as a matter

of fact, Polly. But in terms of a running back going in and looking at some of the synergy between the offensive line and a running back in terms of running the ball, I've never heard that before. That was interesting. Hey, Cardinal season tickets available now. Go to asy Cardinals dot com slash season for more info. That's asy Cardinals dot com. Slash season. All right, let's name some names and numbers.

Who's worth watching Friday night in Cincinnati. That is next on The Big Red Rage presented by Satan bourd In. Gilbert hands it off, no running room, off the right side and back of loss up two on the play. Saban Collins the first guy there, and that is a big man coming down from the week's side, shooting the gap. Saban Collins again throws over the middle, tipped into the air and in complained he was going for his tight end pass was off the mark. Xavan Collins had coverage

that time, and it's fourth down. Saban Collins bats that ball into the air with all of that great line use check in motion. It is a corner back dropped the middle. Lance's head drives the legs forward, Gonna be close. The forty nine ers are short. Saban Collins with the tackle. Saban Collins, the rookie at two sixty playing downhill, came in and laid some lumber. Baby. We started this edition

of the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Fording. Gilbert talking with the green hat in Cam Turner co passing game coordinator, quarterbacks coach. Now we're talking about the green dot in a way. Will it be Savan Collins, Will it be a veteran like a Nick Migill. Will it be a guy who figures to be on the field for every single snap like a Jalen Thompson. Does that make the most sense? Does it matter at all who

was wearing the green dot? When you consider last year Ron Wolfley that the world champion La Rams had at least four, if not five, different defensive players over the course of the season where the green dot communicating with the defensive coordinator on that side of them. Yeah, Paul,

it is a great observation by you right there. You know, it's really interesting because whoever's going to wear that green dot, of course, there's a lot of trust coming in from the defensive coordinator whoever that is to get the call right, a lot of the verbiage that goes with it. But it was interesting. I was talking to Zaven Collins, just having a conversation with him recently about that very thing,

and whether you're wearing the green dot or not. What I like is Zaven Collins is the one that is making a lot of checks on the line of scrimmage, whether he's got the green dot or not making a lot of checks at the line, Paul and getting everyone

else lined up. I love that. That's good for him, and that speaks to some of the growth we're seeing because honestly, if you would have had me guess, I would have guessed the exact opposite, because you know, look to just repeat what the coach has told you via the headset isn't that big a deal. The real acumen and expertise comes in diagnosing quickly what an offense is doing and then making those adjustments and getting into your

ten teammates right exactly right, Polly. So hopefully Zaven Collins definitely is growing in that regard because Paul, you got to be able to see it before you can think, and you got to be able to see it and think before you can do. Does that make sense? And for me, Zaven Collins is growing where he's seeing it with his eyes and then he's thinking correctly. Now he's just got to do, and that's what Friday Night is

all about. Go do, because you can have all the size and the athleticism in the world, but if you're hesitant, then you're not going to be able to play that seek and destroy type of football they need out of their mic linebacker. There's a lot of guys who are way past their time who stayed in the league for

a long time, Like remember Larry Foote. It's just because he was always a step He might have been a step, he was a step slow, but he was always a step ahead mentally of the offense because he knew where to be and what hold a plug, etc. So you have that, Okay, all eyes on Zaven Collins, no doubt about it. How about third round rookie My J. Sanders off the edge. Here's outside linebackers coach Charlie Bullen on the Red Sea Report on what he wants to see

from My J. Sanders. He has lane quickness and flexibility, he can bend on the edge. You know his thing will be can he win with power? And I always say you have to be able to win with power in this league to win consistently. If you're a one trick pony off the edge, the tackles can set for that play to it and just run you by. So you have to be able to win with power. It doesn't have to be old school bull rush, head and hands.

I'm stronger than you, but for someone like Maje. The hope and thought is that he wins with speed on the edge, get some the lean and now he can with angles and leverage and timing, can work some push by power as opposed to just raw strength power. Yeah, I know Polly as sure Sanders and watching him, there's no doubt it's a big topic with the Arizona Cardinals.

The edge and who's going to play on the edge and could this young guy Sanders, could he be responsible for actually growing and developing and coming off the edge, No doubt about it. For me, I just want to say quickly once again, the fact that Will Hernandez, Will Hernandez, the brottom bull, Polly is going to get the opportunity to go out there, put the silks on and grease it up at right guard. That's what I want to say.

I want to see how many reps, how many reps are they really going to give their starting right guard even though he's new. I know they want to take him for a test drive. I know they want to see him on tape. How many reps are they going to give him? And for me, Polly, how many pancakes does he get in those reps? And then of course there's a cornerback room coming full circle. Marco Wilson. We

talked about him, Josh Jackson. Okay, what's he look And then there's the seventh round rookie out of Valdosta State, six foot to Christian Matthew. And his name came up when the media asked Cliff Kingsbury who he's looking forward to seeing on Friday Night. Christian Matthews the guy I want to see play live. He's gotten better each day. Played at a small school, but has come in and really been diligent and attacking our scheme and the work

ethic anything we asked him to do. If he's screwsinging up, he gets right the next time. And so we'll see how he responds when the lights are on. Paully, isn't he out of Valdosta State? Yep? Isn't he? Yes? Fall yes about that, Polly, I mean, think about it. This is the guy that was wearing mits? Was he not? He was one of them? He was definitely one of There were three guys at one point wearing mits because Cliff Kingsbury had enough of the corners holding his receivers.

Not only is that a flag but it's disrupting a timing in the coach's offense, in his scheme. So yes, they they were penalized accordingly. But that's you know, what you've seen in other camps as well. This is now a thing for dbs who are made to wear either the mits or you know, so to prevent the grabbing. But look, as someone told me, he's so long at six foot two, with such length that if he can just stay with a receiver, he's going to be in a position to make a play and and and just

swarm a receiver. Slight's intriguing as well. And here's the only other thing I'll say quickly about this, Polly, is we're mentioning some of these guys. See these young guys who not a lot of expectation has been put on him. I can tell you there's always a couple of rookies, whether they're undrafted, free agents or draft picks wherever they were drafted, that really shine in these preseason games in training camp as well. That's gonna be interesting to watch.

Who might that be, PAULI this year? Well, we heard Cam Turner right earlier and he was saying, like four receivers you don't know who can break a tackle and who can because you're not tackling to the ground in camp. So Greg Dortch's look great, Victor Bolton juniors look great, But these guys are five seven, five foot eight? What are they like? Games? Andy as a fella, Trace McSorley, Paul can't wait to see him and Jared Garantanos bog in the second half. He's made some plays, big arm,

big kids. So yeah, they're playing to watch on Friday night against the Cincinnati Bengals. Hey Cardinals single game tickets available now. Go to asy Cardinals dot com slash tickets to secure your seats today. Zy Cardinals dot com slash tickets Special thanks to QBS coach Passing Game co Coordinator Cam Turner or jimm On Zach Larson, Ron Wolfley of Paul GALBC. This has been the Big Red Rage presented by Santanford and Gilbert were on the Cincinnati Chaw number one.

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