Hello and welcome to Big Gay energy. I'm Bree. I'm Fiora and I'm Caitlin come along with us while we dive into the fun and nuances of queer media representation matters. And we're here to talk about it. Back to the episode x is 0 QT. I don't know. We're doing deep voices. See someone. All right, it is time to scream about all the awesomeness that went down in the show. I just wanted to say that, I'm really glad that you watch this with me and that you liked it.
Any to this was really a super fun to watch. I had a good time. I really expected me to show you just the first episode and then like not expecting this to get this far. I like, I like, The first movie. Because I think it's one of those shows. It's like, as long as, you know what it is going into, it, it's fine. Like, like, for me like it's like, it's very, very light and fluffy, and I'm not used to
that. So, like, it's like, eating too much candy for me, like, these kinds of shows where it's like, it's too sweet. It's overwhelming. And not. What I'm used to, I'm used to more like nefarious things happening and TV shows. So, I was kind of always like, is somebody murdered is day really blackmailing kid. Like what is it? Like but it was never a nefarious because it's very like light and can't breath. Well, I'd be there's blackmailing but there's Plaquenil good.
It's like wholesome blackmailing black man. It is so yeah. So honestly like it was good and I agree like it was hard for me, it was slow in the beginning. Because they really took their took their time to set up the characters and like, honestly, like peel back the onion layers, they peel them back pretty slowly.
So, like At first, like you said in the last episode, some of the characters felt to dementia like they felt like caricatures, like they didn't feel like people but I think the writers are very slow to like peel back the layers of those characters and show you the full human underneath and like maybe if they did that faster be easier to get into quicker. But like honestly like once they started doing that, it was very Easy to get into the show. I felt personally.
Yeah, I mean I always like to Kitty so it was easier for me. Also, at first, because I knew the character, it's always helped him early, know the characters going in. Yeah. I have a lot. Yeah, I have a lot to say for like what I want to happen later. Yeah, we need to like focus on the character discussions. Okay, we're not useless and for everyone out there who's judging us. We're not used to having shows like yet another season.
So like it's very exciting to be able to speculate about a season two because it's usually canceled by the time we're ready to record. So this is yeah I'm traded wuornos for us, I'm excited. It. All right, so yeah. So what starter screaming with Kitty? Because Kitty? I mean the show she her name is literally in the funny title. So let's talk about Kitty. However, I did forget that ships in the show sometimes my God because I because they they made
all the other characters. So well rounded and they did give them storyline. So we have so much to talk about but this is about Kitty right now and I'm boy did she learn Learn some stuff about life this season, honestly she needed to. Yes. The the Tree of Life, the tree of life is another thing. Or tree. Love. You can't bring up the tree and expect me not to come in. That's just not how this works. The circle of life is it that I think your life is a thing.
It is something not in the show, but in like mythologies and stick cetera. Anyway, that's not important. But what is important is Kitty. So okay. What did you think of kitty? So you're more familiar with Kitty like from the movies and like her overall Arc, like through the universe of this kind of show. So what did you think of kitty? Like, I guess in this show compared to, like, kitty in the movies? I feel like she was pretty similar like throughout the
whole thing. She She doesn't lose herself at all. Like she's always true to her character that she always started out with. She always has a lot of energy. She Throws herself into everything. She gets herself into some weird situation. She always means well, but she never does anything nefarious, no matter how much the yours brain wants her to. I am shaped by the media that exists, I'm sorry. Yeah, I would agree. She's not a mean bone in her body and the experience of going
to kiss. She does grow, like you said, which is good, but you're right. It doesn't like destroy her completely change. Who she is like she doesn't do like a, what, like, it'd be very easy for a character to like, I'm finally away from home. Let me go wild and like, He like almost like becomes a different person that's not kitties journey, and I think like, because she came from, such a loving environment where she was allowed to just be herself.
She wasn't the character that would have done that. So yeah, the writers didn't write her like out of character at all. She just grew naturally, I guess. One of the things that I loved when she was younger is that she always had these lines that would make her seem like such an old older person.
Like she had like this. It seems like she went through like so much even though she's just, she's so innocent, you know that she's researching and reading books and just like taking on everything and absorbing all the info around her. and, I think once she got to Korea, she realized that life isn't like a lot of the things that she read, sometimes it is, but it's a lot harder when it is yourself. Just like the synopsis said, she's realizing like.
Oh, shit, love sucks. Or like, how do you love this person when you've not cohabitated? With them or like, because like, think about it, like, if because Kitty and day met when they were like, young teenagers and like, who you were at 13. It's not who you are at 16 17. Yeah. Like while they're young, like, both of them went, you know, used to grow a lot and you mature and that does change you like that.
Pope growth process changes you in a way like, kitty didn't change your essence of who she was, but she is developing until like adult self. And so like, yeah, they're not the same people, they were when they met 13 years ago.
So when Kitty can coughs this scheme to basically go to Korea, yes, to become closer to her mother but also to like, basically pursued a for real, like they are different people at that point in time, like the Essences of who they are is still there but they're they're different. They're not the same and and kitty and they are both not done growing. They're in the middle of all
that. So, She made the PowerPoint but she's like yes it's Romeo and Juliet without the tragedy and like we're going to like end up together and all the stuff but it's like you're basing that off of like a thirteen-year-old fantasy, not like necessarily the realities of life. And so yeah, she learns that lesson hard because she meets other people that she has a feelings for and it's like, oh, this wasn't in my room e0 and Juliet fanfiction.
I was writing about us like, you know, she yeah, she kind of like pictured like this as her main character move it. Yes, running because it is her main character, I know. But one of the scenes where she was drinking a lot and Q goes, we're not on Kitty time because she wants them to go dancing with her. and, I do feel like slightly bad for her because I know like went drinking. Like, he just want to give out and fun. And is someone like tears you
down when you're drinking. Like it feels even worse with my very limited experience of drinking, but like it makes you depression afterwards worse. I feel like her.
So all of that stuff and then at the same time she's like oh shit I love Yuri. Well yeah but also like okay yes we will definitely talk about Yuri but the key I love that line from Q2 because yeah, Kitty makes a lot of things about not about herself but she likes centers herself and metals a lot like she's been constantly meddling and yeah. So I like that. He said that to her he's like hey Like not everything is about you is what he's basically
saying. And so I think that that's a reality check that like children have to learn because when you're young like really young like a toddler in Middle School, like a lot of things revolve around you in family Dynamics because they have to do because young kids are not, you know, well, they are the wrong people and they have their own autonomy. They can't function independently in the world quite yet.
Like his really don't have a lot of like writes like when you really think about it until like because of that things have to set around you because you are suck being a child. It no I totally does and it's like you're forced to be dependent on other people you know. And so a lot of times like when you're coming out of that, adolescence like you have to learn to be your own person.
And and part of that is learning that like As an adult things people do not have to Center them Center you anymore, because we are all our own as adults are independent of each other. You have the option to like, be codependent or not be codependent with people and like, so you're learning how to
not be the center of attention. So I really love that line from Q because, yeah, Kitty tends to leak manipulate, you know, you like I know best and then meddle in other people's lives without like listening to the other people like she just like, you know, she means well, Well for sure but like she's not like really listening to her friends. Sometimes she's just like I know
what's best for them. Let me metal and match make and do whatever forces like cues like, you need to like listen, like, listen to me. That's what I actually need from you. Not from you to, like, make this about you or like going to meddling mode or whatever. Yeah. Oh Kitty. Kitty. Oh Kitty. Okay. So he's with Hello Kitty. Not, I did wish you happy to migrate along your actually did call this. Hello Kitty. Once I didn't mean to, Yeah, anything else about kitty?
Yeah I mean I like her. I like her Arc overall because she was kind of annoying in the beginning because I think it would from like again Kitty coming out of like young teenaged older teenage kind of year like phase in life through the course, of this whole season. I just thought it was wild the way she would just get get away
with stuff. Like the whole thing, the parents really put up no fight, which is like I'm going to kiss like tomorrow like to we're leaving tomorrow and it's like it just well, I mean technically she did ask them and the stepmom like really petitioned for her to go. That all it just happened so fast, you know, because it's not the family. I know. I know, I just think her moral. I just want to put this in
perspective. Okay, to be fair, I am an adult, but this happened when I was a teenager to like, I could do stuff like this. Like we just literally made a plan for me to fly to you. Okay. That's that would ya. So things happen like this and I understand like know we are both adults and stuff but I lik would just make a presentation to my mom and things would happen like that. So I do get that fine Billy Dynamic. Yeah except the dog? I did make a presentation to get a dog.
We did not get a dog. Yeah, I now have two dogs but that's unrelated. I love that. You did that. And it's very ever. And for you, I'm sorry, it didn't work out, but you're too cute dogs now and that's okay. If you can get each and Chile's instead, I love it. All right, Kitty. So you see my kitty, I said she was a good protagonist honestly and I think I think not I think this is a Netflix show.
If you didn't realize that I think we have the formula for getting season two's That I want to go over when it's a female presenting lead and I'm going to use the words, female and male in this explanation and I mean female presenting male presenting. That's what I mean in terms of characters. So when it's male / one is male-male romance, like Heart Stopper, which got renewed for season 2 and season three. At the same time, after the season 1 release, a lot of women.
All female Love Story shows. We're getting axed. We did a whole episode about this. Please go check that out. If you want to know more, cancel your queers, it's Netflix homophobic. Yeah, jury's out on that. But I think the formula for getting a female queer lead show renewed is the bisexual pansexual, female lead, because, and you start this way, you start with female is with a dude. And they, that relationship goes 0 to 100 like in the first
season. And I mean 0 to 100, and then they break up in the first episode. Yeah, sometimes the first episode, sometimes it takes a few but, like 0 to 100 like I love you and then they break up. Cool. Meanwhile, the female lead is having a slow burn, romance with another woman, and that's the endgame ship. That's usually the show. I've noticed that gets extra season. At least a season to see warrior done the 100 like EXO Kitty that's 100 because the hundred whatever.
And but with those shows like again, it's it gets a broader audience because like you have this, the streets her on board for that romance and then all the queers are like yeah. But those two, there's a slow burn happening here. And then once it's like confirmed, you're like yes. But then in this show did it brilliantly to? Because they brought another dude back in to keep the street.
The straight girls watching. I'm just saying boys are the Straits very interested in that I'm saying, like and it's I'm not mad at it. I think that's how you do it. It's a broader audience because when it's in a Killian relationship like two males straight women watch that. In addition to the gay, man are watching it and like some in like anybody else. But like, I mean, like majority of viewers first is when it's a female lead. Female love, interests off the bat.
It loses straight. In and like men like straight dudes. Aren't watching that because I can't fuck them. So, like it makes a smaller audience. So like, I feel like, if you do it this way, if it's, your by pan, female presenting protagonist, starts off with a dude, Slow Burn with a woman, it does better. It just does better because you get a broader audience. This, show figured that shit out. This is a tick, tock video.
If I ever saw one as in like a tick tock promo, I'm just saying, yeah, I know you're not wrong and I think it's very when you first told me that I was very interesting. I just get appeals to both people as a lesbian that makes me upset. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I hate it so much. I hate it so much because it's like, we can't win. We're just where we feel like we're born Niche, but I think that that's that's the story that gets the broader audience.
It's more like palatable to many people and more people can get like sometimes business standpoint. I understand correctly because that's what I need, more people to watch it. Correct at the end of the day, like yes, we can be upset but that's what Indies stuff is for like Main Street. It would be great to have stuff for mainstream but at the end of the day they need to make money
or else we can't have anything. So I that's why you can't really be mad at it fully because yeah, we won't get anything else. Yeah, like all the feelings are valid. They're valid. Like, I'm angry about. I don't love this. It's fucking sucks, but yeah.
I but I think you know, the reality is what it is and it just it sucks your feelings are valid but it's like, I think that's why it's important to really celebrate celebrate, the fit the winds, we do get which I it's a shitty sentence to have to say, but like this getting renewed is great and it has like an international fan base to which is also great to POC cast. Primarily are there any white people in this? There's like a token white person.
Yeah, Q Madison Madison. Like it's great, there's so many good things about this. So I'm, you know, I think that's a formula that works that appeals to a broader audience to get more seasons and because of that, you can keep exploring other types of queerness and things like that. So you know, I'm just saying, that's the formula. I think that works for now. See you or is a genius if you didn't know I spend way too much time thinking about these
things. It's recent maybe angry and I'm like, God damn it. This is why we can't get first killed renewed but like If one of them had like a male romance lead and then like maybe it would have done better. It's yeah. If they had an Edward Cullen type. Oh God. It totally got all those movies and first kill could get renewed, listen, oh my God, Twilight is not straight though, the movies because Kristen Stewart was in them.
And it's Kristen Stewart. So it can't be straight because even when she plays a street person she's Kristen Stewart and she's not so like Anyway but Twilight is oh my God bad anyway let's get off of whatever that tangent was and get into. So speaking of messy, love triangles, let's get into kitties situation. She's gonna she's gonna Dude Love Triangle going on. We'll start with them because this won't be as much priming. So, it starts with stay obvious there. Any screws?
I think they're screaming. So, yeah, Kitty. The matchmaker is like, I'm going to matchmake the world because I already got the guy that I want which is day. And then she gets there and doesn't tell day, she's going to be there. Because, of course, you don't tell the person you haven't seen in person for many years. Is that whole story live, like I do shoes going. If you didn't know, I'm like, dudes. Gotta have a girlfriend, right? Yes, literally first instinct.
I'm like, there's no way. This doesn't make any sense. She's good. Because, what is this show about? If she gets there and he's like, Yay, then there's no show. So, we have her drilling school, it's literally her fit on my God. That one, Hilarious. It was just her phone school because that also has happened, it becomes like an educational PBS type show. Cautionary, tale about what happens when you like don't do well in school, that would actually better what a plot twist.
What a plot twist and a deviation from the movies. Caitlin. Oh my God, as long as there's queer stuff, I still would have watched it. We do really well it rewriting stuff. Oh my God. What if Yuri was her tutor Anyway, I've got a whole nother Direction. Okay, wait, so okay but of course not. So, Kitty gets there is like Yay Day but then by this point when day sees her, he's already being blackmailed by Yuri. Which is great. Yes, just that just happened.
Like probably like a half hour before know. Like it's yellowish it's brand new like he's still growing in the stubble to be the beard. By the time she sees them even signed the NDA yet. All right, we're probably gonna just keep up with us. So like, okay. And the reason he's in this situation as because Yuri got outed by the made, I don't even no for it. I think was amazed because our rate of person she was it was
amazing, right? Yeah, because she was embracing which that we get the Odyssey We do okay, we hear about the embracing and the first episode, but later, see the embracing and I really was not embracing, it was more than a birthday. Really, like, making out in her room. They're being gal. Pals therapy, gal Pals. Anyway, and so, like, Uris family, her dad is like this, like Hotel chain and like CEO, I think, and Mom is the principal of the school there at kiss. So they're both like pretty
prominent figures. Yes. And I think the school is undergoing like they're trying to impress like a donor. I think. Can I interrupt real quick? Yes. Absolutely. I just want to say that go Gina. I believe her name is the principal for having a job and being the principal because most people in her position of having, a husband who's like, has a hotel fire. I feel like especially in shows they would portray as just like the stay-at-home. Mom. Yeah. I'm like that is a boss.
Bitch. Yes. Which is interesting though because like in her fit in their family Dynamic, it's set up like this patriarchal thing or dad's at the top and like everybody's like living in his shadow kind of thing. Yeah. So yeah. And that he would allow that right which is, which is interesting now that you're
mentioning that. Yeah. So anyway, like when that whole thing gets out basically like prominent family tradition, All kind of family, the family has to cover it up, right to save the family's image. So we find out through the course of the show that you're his mom. It basically like almost expels Giuliana, like, you're his girlfriend in a way like, low-key expels her. And she's like, you need to get
the fuck out of here. And like, so, her parents basically, send Juliana to a different boarding school and thus, break them up. And the sad part is they were Yuri and Juliana who got Furious thought she was dead for so long. Yeah, I thought she was dead because the way they were talking about they shot them like okay. So the way it goes down is your he's like what the fuck? Because like Giuliana doesn't
tell Yuri any of this. I guess part of this whole thing is, like, the moms were like, no communication or whatever. So you're, it isn't what the fuck's going on. She's just like texting her girlfriend, her girlfriend suddenly he's like ghosting. Her and like not returning her tests or whatever. So like it seems like she's missing. She's in the trunk of a car, tied up. Yeah, we turned it into Pretty Little Liars. In a reaction was, oh, shit. He's dead. That is not what happened.
She got shipped away. This is why it's really fun to watch stuff together because Because I knew what you were thinking, the whole time she sent her away, Yuri doesn't know, and it's sad because like at that that beginning of that school year, like you're in Juliana decided to like be out together. So it's really sad from like Uris point of view. But so anyway and the dad, her dad does some fuckery at his hotel, where he's like abusing
workers. And it was on camera, which Kayla was talking about in the first episode we did And so, they're like, it's like, PR all on deck for the family that I, well, we have to be like the perfect family and I have to make up for this and like, show that I care about workers.
And so that's what the whole thing with day comes in because day is the, is the son of Uris dad's like driver, like he drives his car so he's like, oh, we can make this work, my daughter gets a beard and I'm going to like be like look, I care about workers and their sons and all this stuff and so like that's kind of how that like formed he was Ready the beard but then he got paid to be like, yeah, he they're not tuition plus more. His tuition exactly the dad's
beard. He's everybody's beard. Yeah. So like days. Basically, like really really stuck in this hole, Russo's with to Pig with day, with, With Yuri and so that whole thing sets up kitty being able to like a misinterpret off that because obviously, and then she because she's not tethered today. They like officially at the beginning, it sets her up to romantically Explore her feelings.
And as she feels them. And so one of the ones that also Springs up is Kitty, plus me know which they're like the enemies, two lovers I guess. Kind of Trope is what they're setting them up to look like because he fucking hates her like. Yeah I have an issue with this one as well. Spill the. So I'm we're skipping to the end with this but so me. Do we see him? My feelings for her in a dream and like try to Grapple with that. Not once did Kitty ever feel like this though?
No. And then on the plane, she smiles when he confesses that he I don't know if he says loves their likes. I feel like what would be to. So I feel like nobody said, I love you accept day which remains in the other for like years. Like I have feelings for you is kind of what that was that okay, look like kidney never once like even had the oh my God. You touched my neck? No, there was no slo-mo action
with me now. It seems out of place, but I have I have some speculation on why that happened when we get into our speculations section. But yeah, if from kitties point of view, it does look like it comes out of nowhere, but I think it came out of shit that preceded. Her conversation with this dude. I think as a he's there scenario versus like oh I've been pining for you. You know I'm saying? Yeah, he's going to be her beard. I think he's going to be an
experiment and we'll get into. Yeah, I know I said, we talk about the we're going to speculate, but okay. Yeah. There's some fucker that goes down with him, but yeah, the feelings that love triangle piece is very one-sided from him. But what really annoys me about this though. It's not, it's not that that could be a thing with him and Katie that part doesn't really bother me.
Whatever, what bothers me is that the way this kind of frames him and might be true to subdudes, I don't even know. But he basically like he didn't care about her as a person until he started having these feelings. So, like, up until that point, he's like, fuck that girl, get her out of here. I hate her, I hate her, I hate
her, then he has this. Dream that's like romantic and now suddenly he's like oh she's a person and I really hate that because it's not like they became friends or like had any kind of bonding together where he like sees her as a differently like oh maybe she's not so bad or like maybe we have things in common. It's because he had a romantic dream about her that suddenly she's now a person.
That he's now going to, you know, you know what I mean, like, but I think it was after he helped her cook. So he bonded with her hair, all right? But still like I don't like it. I was writing a note and I was trying to write sound but we're talking about dream and I am the surgery. So just just so you know, those
doing fantastic. But anyway, so like they do start bonding and she you know, talks to him about like his mom and things like that and so they they do have bonding moments it just it seems it goes from 0 to 100 is all I'm saying like these two from his point of view. Yes. And then It teleports for Kitty. I'm sure I'm not over it. There is no, like reciprocation of the anything beyond I. Tolerate, you and kind of see you as a friend from Kitty goes from day to URI. No, yes, was it mean?
I guess I have theories, but yeah, there there was no there was no kitty pining from me. No. He was just kind of it's very much all from his point of view like he like catchers her and she falls one time and like that. She saves him for a bit embarrassing date that maybe it's her fault, the situation, whatever sent her fall. Also I learned but from that I learned that a lot of Asian people are lactose intolerant did not know. That. Oh yeah. What are those?
Some real-life fuckery with that. So yeah, that is absolutely think so I was reading a book called tastes like War because Livy recommended it, to me, Libby is an app for my library and it was for like, like Asian Pacific, Islander kind of like appreciation, mom and was like, Hey read this like at free copies. Everybody that wants it. I was like, okay, I'll read it and it was basically about this girl.
I highly recommend this book. And it's basically about this girl, who's writing a memoir based on her mom, who is a, who lived through the Korean War. And it's often called like the Forgotten war and this, and that. And part that it's, it's a great book. I will not ruin it if you're read it, it's really really
good. But something that happened during that war is that the Americans who went in there and started all the fuckery and to stabilize the country we're like, oh well, we'll give food rations to the people because they like, Fucked up all their food supply and what they did is
they gave them dehydrated milk. And so the mom who is recounting some of this was like well people the option was like starve or get crazy diarrhea and potentially die faster because they couldn't metabolize the food that the Americans were giving them. Damn super, we are a very lactose because they had like cheese as rations milk, they had like a surplus of milk, which the got milk campaign was formed
from. Oh yeah, that was an America that we have a ton of like Dairy hanging out and so yeah. Tried to give Dairy after fucking up their country. Keith them, Dairy, which they cannot eat, which is just a method. Like, again, going into a country, not understanding the people not understanding everything and like fucking it up more. It's very American, Pika Berrigan.
But yeah. So can't Kitty is living on that tradition and basically gives everybody cheese without them knowing and they're mashed potatoes and like poisons. I've never heard of goat cheese and mashed potato me. I was okay, so I knew that that was some ingredient, that it wasn't supposed to be when they were in the kitchen cooking together because like she had it on a plate and then like throws it in there. But I was like, what is that?
Is I thought was cream cheese. Yeah, well like I told you during our the reaction episode, my mom puts cream cheese in ours and put like, yo, that was a fuckload of goat cheese. Like that was like, 20 dollars worth of goat cheese. Like that amount of goat cheese is the same amount as cream cheese that we put in. I was Cooper easy. It was like a whole plate worth. Earth.
I've never heard that before. And that is not an American thing that I'm aware of. It's a I have a ton of money American thing, maybe we can use life, all right, anything else about the kitties love triangle. Okay, this it's weird. The whole love triangle with the dudes are weird but like I kind of get why it's happening because trauma. Yeah, straight drama straight up drama, but Kitty has her own little Dude, bro, in queue and I really love their relationship
together. I want to love cute and I love their friendship. Yeah, they're very cute. I think. I don't even know I love that. They're very like he's not really like closed off to her. So like in the beginning like obviously like you and me, you know, our Like ride-or-die for day basically but Q is more like, let me fill out this girl because like he hit she's been
talking today for like years. So you know, he's like, let me give her a chance versus me know who just like freezes her out and is like, you're stalking him, get the fuck away. I mean, they have to know a lot about her as well. I would imagine so. But like me telling her all about them, right? I would imagine so but he like he can Is her a chance in person versus me know who's just like
you came here and stalked him. And it's weird and I'm saying, and so they form this really, really cute friendship where they are very open and honest with each other. And he like, you know, confides in her about, like, his crush on Florian. And what's really cute is that when she says like, oh, you like him when she because she matches Florian and queue up. Well, they already liked each other but I don't feel like nudges them together. Yeah, she's like this, take it too long to.
This is too low. Well, I mean, see lesbians move fast but it takes a while to get them together. That's what I've learned in TV. Oh yeah. No. It's like six months of messing age even each other. And yeah, then when the relationship happens real fast, but she's like, oh shoot, I should not have assumed that you're gay, I don't even know if you're out. I should not. That was Is terribly rude of me and then he's like, don't worry, I'm out. I'm very, very gay was cute.
It was cute. Cute. Yeah, their friendship is adorable and then like, so I love that. She had him and somebody who is queer and understands that experience. So when she ends up in the situation of like, Questioning everything, she has him to talk to and he like, here's her out and yeah, I just yeah, he just seems like such a good friend. Mmm, I want to know him in real life.
I know he's very sweet. Yeah, everything even when like when she's questioning like, he's just like, oh, I love the scene when he figures out that Yuri, was the first in, in Her Dream. He's just like, haha, basically kind of forces her to, like, talk to him and get it. Yeah, but like, to be fair, she deserves it. She does, she does it everybody else. So, yeah. She deserves it but I'm glad she has him. And he's very like he's a very
good friend to her. Yeah. So we'll see what happens of happening with him and Florian and all that stuff that we're still is now joining us. Hi Bristol, Bristol has come just in time for all the gay
stuff. Okay. Should we start with Yuri and Juliana all that drama because we keep trying to talk about it. Okay, so let's really really talk about it. Oh my God, I love that With Yuri. It wasn't a coming out story really with her in terms of like her questioning and figuring how she has her shit already figured out. She's like, I'm, I'm a lesbian, I already know this. I am what I am. It was more.
So her being out, not necessarily we like coming to terms with everything like kitties trajectory is What am I? Oh my God, what are all these feelings for everyone here? He just wants to find her kidnap girlfriend. Yeah, you're just wanted to be she injury actually at the beginning. Just wanted to be out and her and her girlfriend were like yeah we're going to be out this year at school like whatever we're going to do it and that
comes to a big old fucking halt. Were they planning on coming out like being themselves at the New Year's party in Iceland, was it? Is that like when it was? Yeah but that's what I mean like that they're like this is the year we're going to do it kind of thing. So like she is the point where she was ready to like be out with her girlfriend. Like that's, that's huge, right? And so I like that, that's where we start with her. We don't know it.
It's kind of told in flashbacks and like, as she gets to know Kitty and like as we get into the season. But I like that. That's where the character starts. She knows who she is, right? She's just as forced to have a beard and it really doesn't go. Well, she, she's like, to A different person to have a beard. I think, you know what I mean? Also day kind of sucked at it. Didn't hold her hand. Pulled away on live TV. God, even when he was being
paid, he was yeah. That it like he's not even act there like he was the one, he's always going to be truthful to you. I mean, my god, when he's not under an NDA, which I'm really, I did not know that nda's where the same in Korea. I don't know they're just doing that because it was an American show or if they're actually called nda's there. Oh I'm I thought it was just a English translation. Maybe but yeah, this is so I do love her and her relationship with her mom.
I really love the journey that that goes on because that's where some of this I need to be in the closet or at least not be in public and be me because when we first meet your resume in the pilot like she's basically like shopping. She comes out of the store and there's like photographers taking her photo. So like she's somebody who's in the public eye in the same way that like me knows, parents.
Divorce was hmm. That's going to be really difficult to balance like who you are and like, internally versus like who you are in odd blast. Basically, because of like, who your parents are, which is really your he's Journey, granted having all that money. Makes it a lot easier when you could pay off beers and stuff but still like You know, and then we come to find out like throughout the course of the journey.
I like the course of the journey with her mom because the mom is presented in the beginning as like yeah you need to like Keep you away from Giuliana and you need to like days, great, whatever, keep that shit up but like the mom like kind of comes to terms with it when she finally gets that point. She's like a fucking I'm gay. Like like fuck it like not enough of this. Like, and I do love that, that's
her journey. Because like she knew who she was and was just like, I'm tired, I'm tired of like playing games. It's basically what that scene was all about. Like, she's like, I'm done playing games with my family. I'm supposed to be able to be me when I'm with my family. Not just like this whole Family's a mess right now. Anyways. Oh my God. Their dad and dad is fucking crazy. I think, by the end of it, every time you mentioned him, I'm just like, I can't, I couldn't see
his face. He got pissed off at the mom, for crying in public. I know, which I think is a, I don't know, some patriarchal nonsense, but like, are they getting a divorce in season two? I hope they are. I hope he doesn't even show up in season 2. They get a divorce over summer break and we never have to see him again. No. It's I think it's winter. Break, whatever. I don't know. What's going on over the break. I think she's only supposed to be there for one year.
She's not supposed to be there for senior year as well, but like was it the course of your year this season? Or was it wasn't us? Who knows only a semester that this was like there's finals for a semester, right? That's what I thought. All right. Sorry got to thinking school years again, but Whatever over the break, I hope he's gone. Yeah, because shoes suck is in September. And that's like halfway through the show. Cool perfect.
But yeah. Anyway I like that Yuri and her mom actually got to have a conversation and like talk to each other and get on it. More of a I see you for who you are kind of footing with each other which is not where we kind of started. What was all like pretenses and like pretending. So I like that I'm hoping that that helps Both of them like relax, you know what, especially when they're around each other. Yeah.
I hope her mom. Nope, that's not the, it's not the speculation section yet, it's really hard for us. No, I mean, good mention stuff, whatever it is makes just I really hope her mom continues the growth the next season. I agree and the fact that you actually get to see it is. Yeah, I know I think they're definitely definitely set up her mom for like Continual growth because it's almost, like, she
don't know. It's like, it's gonna be a weird spot for her mom to because her mom went to that school to, she was friends with kitties mom, they there's all adult drama with them with what happened with when they were in high school or whatever. But it's almost like she got put back, put into a box when she got married to Uris dad and like, Seems like she's kind of Breaking Free of that too and trying to be her own or her own person. It's okay. No sticking I'm back.
I'm back. I'm back the space. They are you need to stop? I don't Don't turn around. Which one is that? Oh, that's a I Will Survive. Hey, send hate mail to the other podcast group of words don't, don't do because if we actually like somehow, this gets big that people will do it. And I don't want to be responsible for that. People are crazy on the internet. People are crazy on a turret. All right, so let's move on. Before we get in trouble, what about, what did you think of you?
Yuri and Juliana's. Well I mean I feel like Julian did not get a fair chance because as soon as kiddie was interested, I was fully Kitty and Yuri, but I think. I think it's going to be interesting. Juliana comes back at the end, and it seems like when there were talking that uring Juliana weren't together anymore, like, the conversation with talking about Kitty, It was a very weird conversation, it seems like there are more best friends than
girlfriends. So then when at the end when she's like, I didn't come to see Kitty. I could come came to see you. I'm like, but you were talking to her about Kitty so I don't know. I feel like the relationships a little odd. I think that was jealousy at the end is what you're picking up on. Because Yuri won't stop talking about this new girl that was jealousy.
So we your you so your point is valid that like we don't really see Juliana enough but we get glimpses of their relationship and it's very comfortable and confident together. Yes. They'll they definitely are and they definitely have a relationship where they're, you know, open with each other. Like you said, it's not. It doesn't seem like it's a fleet, like a fleeting kind of thing. Like they have a seem like they have a history at least something solid as a
relationship. And I really like Giuliana because we get a scene Are, you know, you're he's like worried that she's missing in the Juliana like randomly pops into the school and like is hiding in a closet which the irony. Oh, the irony of that is like pulls Gary into the closet and they have a conversation. I'm easily. And it just it seems like there. They are friends at like they have a friendship kind of relationship at minimum. And that's where they kind of talked about.
Like this is where you knew it was doing where they're like, well, I, you know, New Year's. I'm making plans for the future like we're going to do all these things, like we talked about and like run away and like be ourselves and like be free and they had that kind of relationship. So it sounds to me like they're both like rich girls were pressed because of their social standing situations their parents and found Comfort /. We're able to be themselves
together like with each other. And that's really like where their bond kind of is, but Juliana seems like a very nice girl. She seemed good for URI and the sense that like she lets Yuri be herself.
And that seemed very reciprocated and like, despite getting kicked out of her school because of like, she didn't do the thing that I again, the nefarious thing that I was anticipating were like, she's like, I have to pretend that this associate myself with you because now I'm in trouble with my parents and like she didn't do the self-preservation thing that we often see in these Like situations really closeted girls in Rich, families. Get out.
And suddenly like, she very much stuck with URI. So, like, you know, she has that going for her in terms of like, being a good girlfriend, you know, she's like, I will stay with you, they stayed in touch and she made plans to come back, you know. And I think that like again but during that time like Yuri and met Kitty and from Uris point of view, the kitty stuffs didn't seem very like, I don't know. It seemed like she was like not as indicated as Kitty was into
her kind of thing. Yeah. But she was your it gets in this place where she starts making a real friends. So I think that like Giuliana was probably her only real friend. It was kind of one of those things were like best friends, we start dating kind of Ian. Because she can't be, she ends up becoming friends with day. Like real friends, like they have a bromance, it's very cute. Like, they actually become friends with each other, and she's like, oh cool.
Like I have friends like that. I, because he's the first person to know about. Giuliana. Yeah, it because she can't be herself around people. Exactly. So, right, exactly. And so, once like the thing that is hindering her growth and like her relationships with other people play, like the tonic ones is that she can't be herself. She's in the closet, you're right. So she starts becoming present day because like cats out of the bag.
She's like very outwardly I'm blackmailing you and this is why like it's like but but whose baby it's just like it's Julianna. Yeah I didn't know biting. I just said I'd be on that point right now. Yeah, exactly. And so in with Kitty to I think you know, parts of her, she can kind of like be more open with her. And so it's easy to like, be friends with her over time even though they have a weird
relationship in the beginning. But then this one of those things were like, even when you hate like, I think it started getting giuliana's, definitely jealous. I think the last scene is like, hey I don't want to fucking hear about the her anymore. You won't shut the fuck up about her because I think at the beginning for Yuri, it was one of those things where, like, she really hated kitty kitty. Kitty was like days my boyfriend.
This is all bullshit. This is fake and, you know, trying to mess up the beard ship. They have going on. So Yuri has every right to like every reason to like hate Kitty in the beginning, because Katie's in her perspective is like really annoying and trying to meddle with her plans, which is wicked.
He's doing. So, I'm sure there was conversation of Giuliana, just like I fucking hate this girl and look, you know, those things really know they didn't, they weren't in contact until Kitty got her in contact with you're right maybe she had like rage messages or she was like I fucking hate this girl, a blah blah. Well no because at that point Is already liking her because it was at the camp I meant before well like missed messages where she's just like wow. Here's my day, this is my head.
Canon where's the fan fiction where she's just like you know, those things where you're just like wow you talking about this person? A lot? You don't even like them. Like I imagining like and they're all nuts liver, not delivered not deliver, right? Isn't it takes me neither. Yeah Giuliana just got like so many messages like hate rants about Kitty and then they turn into like oh she's not so bad and she still won't shut the fuck up about this girl. For Julia.
I was like, listen, that's not. I don't want to hear about her right now. I'm here. Now I'm here. Remember you're dating me? That gave me like jealousy Vibes at the end. What I don't understand is at some point once Kitty helps her get back in contact with Giuliana. How come Giuliana didn't write down Uris phone number and then just message her. It makes no sense. It doesn't make any fucking sense. That what does it because they end up talking on their own
phones at some point? And it makes him know that I just Okay, I don't know. Also kid, they like talk on social media. Like, there's other ways for them to communicate is what I'm saying. It's not just, this WhatsApp, phone business, maybe, I mean, phones can get hacked to but social media. Maybe they're like, maybe their calories and like doctors. I don't know. I mean not a lot makes sense.
I know I feel like the writers just had to move the story along and so, they're like, don't think about this. Don't think about this too much to be a podcast, guys, right, this is a rom-com. Things are not supposed to make sense. Okay, so yeah, so Giuliana is jealous because Kitty finds herself in a love Square. This is for gonna go to the whole thing. We're going to do this with Yuri. All right? So Kailyn and I were writing our notes together and and it's one of my favorite.
Things is what I jump into a dog just like, hi, I found you this, we just end up spending an hour, we were texting and then we end up spending an hour texting in the document, on the dock. Yeah, itself, not the chat. Feature in the doctor. So we have evidence of this Ridiculousness. Okay. So I'll say my parts, you say Your Parts, okay? Okay, so this section is Yuri and kitty. Kitty is really in a love Square, technically, not a square. What is it? Maybe I circled that.
Let's be real. It's a squiggly line between her and Yuri. Then I go to another line. Wait, wait, wait. It's a true 30 mg you're right at the tree mystery Caitlin. Damn, you really should work for the FBI. Oh, let's leave these messages here. Oh my God, you just stole the brain cell for me. Don't delete. I forgot that. That's why I like that. It's because you're writing. I'm saying lies. Anyway so yeah, Kitty is and I love Tri Ki SS ING with you Korean Independence. Cool snow.
Whoa, she was in ki f, as with your, so it works on many, many levels. Okay. So you're obviously team Kitty. very so, yes, I am very much so I'm gonna always want the main person to be The queer AF. Yeah. Yeah it is. There's so many secondary characters that I just I really for all the means to be gay. Yeah I mean she any shoes? She is by she's so kinetically queer. Hmm okay can't talk about that. Okay.
Focus so Kitty and Yuri Kitty. Mary oh my gosh, I don't it's just it just caught me off guard. Guard. And I think that's, I just love that it happened. I'm just glad it happened. That's all right. Oh, please help me with words the Hora. Okay, so Caitlin didn't understand the subtext of their meat cute, which is an amazing meet-cute where Yuri hits Kitty with her car because stupid Americans don't know how to switch the way they look in
other countries. So, yeah, you're a hits her at the car and then it's like, oh, are you headed to kiss me to? Let's go together. Look. And I was like, oh, this is a great me cute. So, yeah, obviously. Um, but I like their progression because it starts from, it's very much like an enemy. So lovers thing, which are always. So, so fun. It is, it's so, so fun. It makes it a strike. Because, again, your reason that stage where she's like a fucking hate this girl, hit worry.
It's like she's thinking about her constantly because she hates her, but then what time when they niches on hater, she's like no. But it really cool. Not in the beginning, in the beginning, its I let me give you a ride but then it's like she has to get into that fake. A ship with day and then Kitty is the actual girlfriend who's trying to break that up and sabotage everything. So it very quickly becomes an enemy's, the lovers thing. It was a, I hit you with my car, two enemies.
It's a lot of just kind of disagree, think that kid, he's nuts too. For not telling day that she's coming, that is nuts. Like Anita is Nest. But she says that she and now, Kitty, never says the name day, so neither knew what was going on at the Time, right? Like in the car ride but then 20 seconds after the car ride. The truth comes out. So like they don't have a lot of time to bond. Oh my God though, but in the
car, right? Kitty says the weirdest thing ever where she's like, Yuri was basically she was like, oh I'll match make you with someone I'm a Matchmaker as a girl, you just got to Korea. Like, what do you mean you're going to matchmake this? Your she's a stranger, you just got into her car, which like weird, and then you're like, let me set you up with the know. Nobody's that I know here you know, day doesn't even know you're coming.
You did get on one of that. Very nice because I can this girl is so overly confident and it's like you don't even know anybody here. What do you mean? Anyway, I thought that was wild and it's just like it. He's naive and to me I was like the naive youth. That's like, what she's doing. But I like that there.
I like the way their relationship progressed because it was very real in the The sense that they ended up bonding over real things like they were antagonistic to each other over like a real thing that was happening. And then even that was like it was hard for them to be in that like enemies stage because they genuinely have things in common and stuff. And so that kind of like very much Fizzles out. And it becomes a, let me help you. I'll help they help each other
kind of stuff. Well, they're also trying to figure out about their moms. So like that helps got the mom drama. That that's later. No, no, the mom drama is also happening. Yes, I have many theories about their moms Minimum their moms were friends in school together and they have this whole I don't want to get into that here. I will very quickly recap the
adult shit. But yeah, they said they go on this quest to figure out what happened with her mom's based off of again the photo album that kitty brought and so that also that bonds them together. So it's not through their of just bonding over like a dude they have in common for different reasons. Like they have things in common that they're actually like bombing of her, but like, it just ends up in a lot of scenarios.
What? Like there's not truth being told between them, It's there's a lot happening. Like I just realized like maybe get to half of the plot points in this shop. There's a lot happens. I mean we're just were skimming over stuff. You can just name whatever plot lines you want. But I mean in terms of deception like immediately your repos
today is a deception. And then even when we get into the mom drama of it all Kitty figures at like the in the mom, plotline one of the moms AKA Yuri's mom had a secret child. Who's like a teacher now at the school and kitty litter. Yeah Alex and kitty knows who it is but doesn't tell Yuri because that's like her half-brother or whatever.
And so like there's that deception where like kitty doesn't tell Yuri, she knows and they start arguing about it in the middle of a fan dance, which is amazing. Because everybody can hear you and like the other girls are like, what the fuck you guys do? I ran for performing on stage ratio. Madison is like us trying to dance. Shut the fuck up guys. Oh my God. What if Yuri is also Daniels kid? And she's just like, she just left with him. That one time.
And then she made it her like the other guy. Think it's his I she's not old enough. Oh like, but they hooked up again. Yeah. Just what's quickly? I mean maybe you know what the other guy to be in the show I hope they get a divorce is all I'm saying they're terrible. Yeah he's terrible. But Kitty of URI Geller.
Focus kidding. Yuri. I got it. I mean there's like Okay, let's see where she does realize that she loves Eerie or like, understands the fact that she thinks that day would come over to her and just say Yuri makes me breathless. I think that's what she thinks. He said, I know you're a makes you perfect. Oh my God that was so funny. Okay, I will say I love. Okay.
Because like in the show they like to do like the slow-mo Like to, like, they will hone in on like a point in time like hands brushing or something and like, slow everything down to be like, oh, the characters, having feelings. And so I, I love that it starts with that, of course, it's like I'm fan dancing. Let me show you how to do it and then it's like slow-mo hairbrush and like, all these things and it's like, oh, kitties gay Panic is happening.
So I love that. We got the slow-mo gay Panic. That was lovely. I drove Kitty. I should learn how to fan dance because Kitty is really bad at school and many things. And the fan dance was actually ruined by them arguing. So it was ruined by the fireworks. They did Madison bring. That is Madison. Did bring that because, of course, the American American think brought fucking fireworks because you buy them in Walmart, you can buy them anywhere you buy. The grocery store is in America.
America likes blowing shit up, obviously. But I do like, I like, I like the episode 2, it's pretty fucked up but the episode where she helps Juliana and Yuri, get the phone conversations, meanwhile, they're at in the woods and like days, like, let me take you on a romantic Woods date. And tell me tell you, I love you. And he said something along the lines of like I forget how he said, how he feels where his like his stomach drops or something.
Somebody said, I can't remember something to that effect number, we're seeing it feels like my stomach is falling out of my body or something to kind of explain like how he feels like when he's with her and then he's like, I love you. And then Kitty at the end of them. So it goes back in the Texas, of course there's one bed in the tent with her Giuliana because of course, everyone said this one bed, it's the only ten with one bed. That's the only time with my bad.
Yeah, exactly. It's for the roommates and she's like, I forget, she's something happens. Where she's like oh shit with Giuliana. Is a crap. What Y is Something happens with Kitty and URI where she's like, oh shit, why does my stomach falling out of my body right now? So it's like, basically she like rephrases exactly what days Ed and I love that. It's so good.
Another thing in that episode is when Almost a Juliana Yuri is helping her, get ready, and Kitty has no idea what's going on. And then day, she shows up. She's like, you're my date. Of course, you are like, thinking you're, he's taking her on a date, but like, the gay Panic is so real. That girl doesn't even know who she's dating at that moment in time. Like, that's so real, like Pant, like she's got it so bad. She's Got It. Bad. And what I love the most though, is that the end?
So okay, let's is there anything you want to talk about till we get to the end with the two of them with the airport? I don't think so. Okay, let's jump to the end. So at the end of this all Kitty breaks up with the day and they're like, let's just be friends like for real because Kitty, at this point is like I have actual feelings for this girl. And they tries to like ignore them but they obviously, don't go away. This isn't just some like some kind of crush dele or like, some
fleeting. They she's like, Fuck this is real. So she gets expelled from school. She's been living in the boys dorm which is a whole other ball. I We're not gonna get to do but she's living in days. Dorm of course, because drama and gets caught and then they're like, wow, ethics! You're losing your scholarship and so she's put out your. It was also living there by the end. I know it's ridiculous like nobody was living where they were supposed to is some
tomfoolery. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense tall, handsome, um, Foolery. And anyway, so she's leaving and goes to the airport to like go back home because it's also like break time but she's like crab. I'm going for real. I'm never coming back to the school. It doesn't even try to say goodbye to your a, she just by happenstance runs into her at the airport after she tells day, that he was a great first boyfriend, first boyfriend. Yeah. And then turns around. Yuri. Yeah.
And then your because like time. So your, he's just standing there and then Kitty. Oh shit you came to say goodbye to me which how girl you didn't tell her. And I was not expecting this scene where she like almost confessed her feelings like fully to your issues.
Basically like getting to it. She's like oh I kind of now that I've met you I know what love means and like but before she could like get into more than that Giuliana shows up because that's why I hear he's at the airport to get her girlfriend. And so then that's what like kitty cat has stopped. But I wanted to see where that conversation was going because that was going to see. I mean yeah also if Madison and the other two didn't walk in when the fan dance because they
almost kissed. Well maybe I don't know, Yuri kind of was like, what are you doing? Yes. Because like kitty just like launched into like confessing her feelings and they've never had like, really any alone moments together where they Got close to doing anything that's really for me the read. It's feels very one like mostly one-sided from. Kitty is perfect because you're in Katie's head. Yeah, so it's hard to tell what the hell was going on in Uris
head. But like, you can kind of tell she's interested, but she's like, what is happening right now? I'm confused. You can tell when Yuri is talking to Julia, Anna? As like plus, she's naughty, she's straight.
Like, you wouldn't like, say that, that's what he sounded like, she was talking to a friend, rather than a girlfriend because she's like, she's straight, she wouldn't be interested in me. Well, II, I think it's kind of like for I understand where she's saying, which it's kind of like you're trying to appease her too because you're like, yeah, I keep talking about it because I'd entangled in all
these plot lines with her. But she's telling her, she's like she's besides, she's straight, it doesn't matter. Like you have Jews telling her you don't have anything to be
worried about. But like, yeah, I think that there were feelings simmering there but when you put somebody in that box of like they're straight, it's like, well, I'm not even gonna entertain this because she's a straight girl, like, I'm not going there anyway, so they think for Yuri, like, I don't think Yuri was as, as deep in the feelings land as Kitty because Kenny was exploring the feelings versus Yuri who's like, you're not an option.
I'm I'm going to explore this. So I think what happened in the finale is that now Kitty has was putting it out there and I think Yuri was like oh shit like you actually like me put that together and but didn't have time to process any of that because girlfriend showed up so I think what's happened to? Yes I think we're going to jump into season 2 shit now. So let's speculate let's speculate and what we hate we didn't talk about the tree. We did, okay.
Yeah, we talked about the tree, it's fine. Let's do into okay, because the finale is the most important part and then, okay. And then, so let's just wrap up the finale and get it to all of our stuff. So, the other piece that Kaitlyn and I are both well, Kaitlyn's mostly annoyed about is that Yuri. Doesn't get a mean. Kitty doesn't get the fully confess. Her feelings. That happens. She gets like 20.
She is twat blocked by a bunch of people and then gets on the plane and who is sitting next to her but meow of course because he's going to LA to see his mom. All plausible, he then confesses his feelings to her. He's like, hey, I like you as more than a friend and then Kitty and we have like a 20-hour flight together and then kitty looks away and kind of has this like up like a little smile and then it ends Starting the love Square, so tree love tray. All right well thank you for
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