Warrior Nun S1 Part 1: What's With All the Fighting Nuns?

Hello and welcome to Big Gay energy. I'm Bree. I'm Fiora and I'm Caitlin come along with us while we dive into the fun and nuances of queer media representation matters. And we're here to talk about it. It's finally time for warrior none. Get ready. Because how often do you have a show about nuns? Never we just don't get that for reasons but so when I saw there was something coming out called Warrior non back in the day and season, one did come out.

And I do three years ago, I was very intrigued. And as soon as it came out, I devoured the entire thing, it is quirky and campy and it head-on tackled religion, and kind of Made fun of it but also took the consequences of it. Seriously. And it was one of the most interesting series to consume and digest. But it left me with a need to pick apart all of the component.

So I could understand what the showrunners are trying to tell us and now I have the perfect people to do that with So alright, so we've all watched the series, don't make fun of me right now. She think about me, it's fine. What? Don't you do from Kimmy Schmidt, Titus does his like, Gotcha. Yeah. All right, I'm here for that. I am here for the occasion. It's perfectly appropriate. So we have to start this where the whole series starts and that's with Ava, she's so cute.

So it's Ava The Good, The Annoying, the smartass She's all of these things and you have to kind of put yourself in her shoes. Unfortunately, we do that with voice overs which is not my favorite form of Storytelling. In a show I feel like it's lazy. However, We deal with it and we first meet Ava. She's a quadriplegic in an orphanage. She's 19. And she's about to age out of the orphanage and where the hell

else is she gonna go nowhere? And we also meet the nun that primarily takes care of her sister, Frances who I think Caitlyn would have interesting conversations with because she likes to murder people. Not me. Minding the murder. There was a lot more outside of episodes, but like, Promise. I'm not we're not pro murder here. In Russia, in real life. So, Ava, never got to be a normal child because she has been in this orphanage since she was a little wee babe of it was

the thing I was seven. And she goes straight from being a quadriplegic to having don't like being alive again and also having divine power like she's now a superhuman. So it's a very big change. She can walk for the first time and we get a lot of scenes in the beginning of her being so excited about actually being able to move her body how she wants to. And that has to be the one of the most liberating. Eating things in the world. I can't imagine going from one extreme to the other.

It says, she's also having to process all of these things she's never been outside that she's never been outside the the orphanage. And so, she doesn't know how to do anything in the world. She's Practical. She's an innocent in a way though. She has obviously consumed some media and read books. So she knows some things that are going down, but she doesn't know how to move through the world and she meets up with some randos who we don't really care about the main person.

That's important is the The dude who's her love interest JC? And I'm like did you guys do that on purpose? Because JC Jesus Christ, I don't finish a see ya. I was too busy staring at Ava that's perfectly valid but yes his name is JC and he's not annoying but the situation like why do we need that? I know that he's actually very supportive of her. Yeah, it's very good. It's sweet to her like he's a good guy. It's just He's someone else also. Like, what is this? Plotline, I don't care.

Get back to the nuns. Do we not have more? Like we didn't need all of this outside. I need the nurse. Yeah, get to the nuns. Like to stress is applied. I'm just like enough with this. There's too much we needed to figure. I have no idea what this shows about, by the way. I see I've watched it one and a half times. And the plot is still confusing me a little bit, maybe because I refuse to call these people by their actual names.

That's because it's not really revealed until the end like they slowly reveal. What's going on? It's yes. And so at the end you're like oh Exactly, and another section. But yeah, that's why. So one and a half times makes sense like this at the end, they tell you what's going on, yeah, sorry, no, no, you're good. But yeah, the randos knows, we don't really have the ran do serve a purpose in the plot and that's about it aside from j.c., who is more in it than the others.

But I still think that the way Ava dealt with the whole situation, I don't know. I don't know if it was done well enough or not. So she's got this Halo in her back. Put there by the person who was supposed to transfer the Halo, into the next Warrior nun, and she just happened to be a convenient dead body hanging around. So, now she's got this thing in her back and all these people are after her for different people and demons are after her for the different reasons.

And she's in a sea of what the hell do I do? And how do I get through this? The girl has no money has no, so yeah, the randos serve that purpose as a landing place for Ava, before the nuns find her Because, so, thanks a lot Ava is running away from her responsibilities Ava doesn't even know what her responsibilities are. Right? She can finally run, just let her run. Yeah. She's like, oh man, I can run. This is cool.

She doesn't know what she's supposed to be doing or like, why she, as she didn't ask for this, she's just there. It's like they just stuck her in this situation, super-fun times thing I enjoy about Ava. Okay. The positives. She tells the same kind of jokes that I do bad puns. Dad jokes. That kind of thing. Probably why I like her. She cute just like yeah there are points of which I'm like you're being annoying girl. So stop. And that's not due to the actress.

That's just the right. And I just like the writing annoyed me a little bit of that character and like I get it but it's still annoyed me sometimes. And that's pretty much all I got to say about Ava. Anybody got something else? She's really cute. She is cute and pretty. And waking up and just literally screaming. I don't know. She's just, she's a great actress. I feel like she's a good. Yeah you killed was going to kiss.

Yeah she's yeah. She you can only work with what you're given and No, I have no idea where I'm going. Continue looser. There's no point at which I doubted her skill. It's been a long day. Okay. All right. The aura has a problem with the reluctant hero Trope and I'd like you to expand upon. Yeah. I don't like Ava. Generally, if you're an avid fan, I'm sorry if this makes you bad.

She annoys the crap out of me for most of the show because she falls under the reluctant hero Trope, which I don't like in general. I honestly hate that Trope.

I particularly don't like, the way it is done here and I think it has part partially because it's like a teenager in this is all like Teenage crap or it's like And it get an Ava gets called out on this as the show goes on, but Ava is incredibly selfish and her actions are incredibly selfish and I can't stand that in this situation because there's all this crap

that happens. That's bad directly because of her being selfish like what happens to Lilith and like basically like it drags out the plot because it's like can you just can you just do this so we can move on. But instead we have to go with the randos for like six. Those because you won't just like accept what's happening. It's like you're just running from it. I understand why she's doing it based on her past and all the

stuff. It's just so annoying because it drags the plot out for me and I hate it, she has but life experience. Yeah, I understand that but like you were dead. Then this magical thing literally brought you back to life that does not belong to you. And it's like, hey, this thing you have, that's keeping you alive comes with a bunch of obligations by Caitlin. You want to stay alive, you have

to do them. And she's like, no it's mine and just runs away like a selfish child and I fucking hate that because it just drags everything out because I'm like, eventually you're gonna have to accept this because you have this unnatural thing that comes with burden like you're gonna have to accept it like just can we move the story along? I just hate that because it just for me it drags things out that

did that did play. It was way too long and then it's actually went back and I was like wait what did she go back? Because like that was a very quick turn to solenoid. I'm like how did she didn't even make it to their the second time of her golden nectar? And it's like, I get you want your freedom? I do understand that, like, you know, your victim of circumstance. Absolutely got dealt a shitty

hand. You have every right to be angry, by the way, you were treated in the orphanage, I get that, but like your situation right now is so Bonkers like there is no fighting it. Like, that's what's so annoying. It's like you're fighting it and you're making The whole world worse while you just are being selfish and it's dragging out this Randall pot. When I don't care about.

So, like for me, I just found it her behavior, super annoying sometimes because it's such a like it's selfish teenager thing. And I just, I hate it. I feel like it could have been written in a different way. I agree would have been better, right? It just dragged out and it just it may have painted her as selfish and she gets called out for being selfish because like there's later I figured I think you're talking to Mary and Mary has her out. She's like listen.

I understand when you were in the orphanage everything revolved around you because it had to because you couldn't do any like basically, like you were trapped in that room and like, everything had to revolve around you because you couldn't go out like, I get that. But she's like, you're not in that situation anymore and you're still behaving like you are and it's like be a fucking adult.

Do you know? And then marries shares her backstory was just like, I had a shitty hand to where I was basically an orphan because of what happened with my mom, and she was in prison for life and all this stuff and like I had to grow up and I couldn't be selfish anymore. So it's like Ava refuses to 2-under like except that her situation has changed in this crazy way and it just I hate it cuz it just drags things out. It's like get over it. The voice-over thing also really fucking it.

There's way too much of it. It steadily like declines as the as the episodes go on but like the voice overs with Ava gets so annoying after a while. It's like I think I blocked most of them out while watching it, it's so boring. I don't personally like it as storytelling wonder if they figured out that it wasn't really working as well and it's the city's series when I think so.

And like, again, in the beginning, it's because she's isolated and has no one to talk to and So it's kind of like that's how it was in the orphanage. She had that one kid, but most of the time she's just in her head so I think it's a comic book translation to perhaps because this comes from a comic book series to you like paper girls. And so maybe that's just that's a reflection of the format changing to television and how to like show her inner monologue but it just it was a lot.

Just Alphas a good actress. You got trust her as she can convey it with her face. Also, don't trust her the comic series revolved around Shannon. So There was none of this interesting. I was right in the beginning. They're like, you know what? This is not the comic book. Goodbye Shannon. I didn't read the comic book so I can't comment. Didn't I couldn't find it and it was like 50 bucks. And I was like yeah. But the most available. Go ahead thee.

Unless you want to talk about the comics, I was sad. I have or even though, you know, go, Okay, cool. So I will say, the first time I liked Ava because she liked, she annoyed me until like episode 3. When she finally gets back to the nunnery, I don't know, whatever it's called. And Or The Cloister whatever it's called and she has her sparring lesson with Lilith and Mother Superior.

I do love that scene because it's so good because she doesn't annoy me in the sink because she's just, she's trying to navigate the situation and oh my God, Mother Superior with weapons. Hot. I have something to say that's not related, but you can continue that first that was all I had to say about that. I like that teen, I like that scene, but I just want to point out something Bree and I are writing questions for something and I said a stick and she's like, it's not a stick and I'm

like, it's a stick. It's a cane. I've re-watched it. And they're like stick. Kick. I like seeing it's a stick. Just saying I just had to bring that up. They called it a stick multiple times. Okay, it's a walking stick / cane. It's the don't know the stuff. They give they give their superiors weapon. Sorry cousin. Yeah, well, and they're called as particular type of it has the word stick in. It will just say that. I see ya. Um I just don't let things go.

I'm trying to go where where I miss you. So I just wanted to point to say that it's called Warrior none. O, ya rijalallah. But whatever the first Warriors area. Yeah, yes in there. And I was like, oh, that's where they're getting. So the current Ariella in the comics is sister Shannon

Masters, the best and brightest of the mall. so she's leading everybody in the good against evil thing serving with the Lord and faith and humility appearing on and off for 20 years since her first appearance It's create the Creator. Been done. Favorite character. I can see that. Even from the gospels begin, the show. Shannon is not over and talk about her somewhere else can. It's like an awesome.

We talked about her a little bit later on, but In the women's section, where the women come on gentlemen, section, okay, we have to get through the tough one first and then his religion section. Yes. What do we have a death section? We haven't death section. Why would never death section why? I guess make it now because I don't know what's going on. I wanted to know what I have to sneeze.

Why? All TV shows have like a death catchphrase, like they're like in this life or the next and then the hundreds like maybe me begin and all that and like that type of stuff. Okay. I guess how humans do things. It also ties into literally The next section is religion religion. So in this religion, there is an afterlife. So, basically, what they're, it's like a it's Beatrice as it later where she's like, hey, you're part of our group. Now, you're a part of this Sisterhood Sisterhood.

Yeah. Will never leave you even after death. That's what they're saying to each other. It's like, hey, if you even if you die we're still with you. Like, it's a way of saying goodbye without saying goodbye basically. In case we die, I still see you in the next life, like, yeah, it's goodbye. That's we order of the cruciform sword, but she more, right. It is their goodbyes in The Sisterhood. Yeah. Because they believed in an afterlife in this group

precisely or in the religion. It's like so war and it stems from like not just like mythology and like religions but like Warriors do that. It's like a you know in case we die because they're in case we die on the battlefield. Like I'll see You in the next life or like maybe we meet again like yeah it's like it's one of those things like a Brotherhood Sisterhood just type of goodbye basically without saying goodbye. Yeah that's a cultural thing. Some cultures do things like that.

That's what they're trying to show that culture and what they believe in in terms of goodbyes. All I have to say about at the beginning of my thing with religion.

I have a because we're back again to religion, and it's such a It's such a polarizing Topic, in general, it's kind of hard to talk about in some respects, but in the show, you cannot avoid it. Since we are literally dealing with Catholic nuns literally, and we are in a sea of religious Trauma from the beginning, dealing with the fact that one of the freaking nuns killed Ava as her form of Mercy. But I think he's just Because she enjoys murdering people.

Well there's also like a she there's a quote and I think the first episode where the nun refers to Ava as a burden. Hmm. So I'll never understand this weird thing that people who claim to be Christians do when it comes to like the disabled and the poor and the sick because like wasn't Jesus as whole thing like I will take, give me your tired, your poor, the sick, like I will, I will heal them, I'll take care of them.

He was a caretaker like a Healer and then to have his disciples or nuns who are married to Jesus be like, wow, I have to take care of you. You're a burden. So like that. I think the nun killed her, not out of Mercy, but she's like, I'm tired of dealing with you. Yeah. No, that's all. That's part of the. Would you selfish? That's a it's not Christian. Like know this woman is obviously not an actual Christian, she's right? Yeah. Leave some kind of a power to ya. My side.

Like she got off on that too. Yeah, it's a she's in a position of power. He has power over Ava, and she's just like, full-on sit. And that's so nada. People who say they are Christians. That's not what you're supposed to behave. Like that is not Mercy or like kindness.

That's the complete opposite. Yeah, so it's like really fucked up. So you like you understand why Ava is so like defensive and because like this is how she's treated, she was treated like a burden and so she developed this layer of humor to protect herself that only further. Infuriated this none to the point where she's at.

I'm gonna kill you. Hmm. Yeah which is super fucked up and then His back and tries to kill the boy even though he's nowhere near aging out also get like, right and like how was that kid was super sweet. Like where was he? A burden. But that's what I mean. I know it's framed first as like Ava, personally annoyed, this woman. But then it's like, no. She's just got this weird Power Trip thing where she's like, I'm gonna decide to put you out of

your misery. So you can be with God, but it's like away from me. It's ridiculous. Like, you're just using that as an excuse to murder. I also think that the boy Knew Too Much for sure.

He seems like he was very, I don't know why truly, I don't know, I guess he's just was straight up an orphan and not like kneading and because it almost seems like not just it, it seemed like, not just an orphan, but like a hospital Wing. So I don't know if like he had something where he required medical attention like Ava did well yeah because he was deteriorating and health. That's why she killed him. Ridiculous. Okay. So I guess the yeah maybe it was

his time in her eyes. She was becoming too much of a burden to care for which she is unpack. Well, if she can't anymore good, there's no unpacking that for sister fuckface sister. Fuck. I have my own name for these characters to Caitlin over her name. Lesbian. Jesus. Know, you have any other fun things for people? Yeah. The dude is the not-hot priest Vincent. Is that his name? I call him the not-hot, priest. You talking about the one that is bigger priest.

Yeah, Vince a father. Vincent the one that's like, yeah, the head over the high priest. Yeah. I know that. We all have some personally triggering things with religion, but and I want to get to that if you guys want to share. But first I want to go through the religious men and the show and how forgettable and gross some of them are Directing the show. I know. Right? Like why I definitely ready. Is a power-hungry douche canoe. I will say that is all true.

I do love when he speaks Italian. That's about it. That is the Saving Grace. He speaks multiple languages and it's funny. The only oh yeah, cool. Vincent is dubious from the beginning. He's like too good and nice and whatever. Yeah, but then like okay, so his Arc is not also surprising, because this goes into the religious stuff to with him, where he has that moment, where you find out, he's a former alcoholic.

Hmm. What's this is common like Christian thing where it's like I was in the dark and sitting and then I Found Jesus and now I've repented and I'm a good person and so which is a Christian thing. Theme not knocking that. That is a Christian theme sin found God. Now I'm good, I repented all of that stuff. But like in the context of the show where they're like, there's demons that prey on your the sin, in your heart kind of thing. It shows you that like he's susceptible to like being

corrupted. Like, you can say that but the tendency is still there, so you get the hint. That. Okay, there's, there's something something here, he's not as good as he seems because people repent, but you still are susceptible to these things. And then we get to, like, towards the end, where he's like, threatening the art collector and her like he's got tattoos, and you're like, what is going on? On what is going on with this dude.

None of none of his No, no I just didn't seem genuine to me know, right? Yeah, it definitely does it. I will always wonder I want to know more about how he How Adriel found him Jesus? Yes. The guy you called Jesus. Yeah. And is I'm assuming he's been whispering to Vincent just like he's been whispering to Michael. I think so. Yeah, and whether it was while he was an alcoholic and susceptible to like The Wraith demons or when he because it seems like Adrian's connected to the divinium.

Yep. That's so maybe it was when he was in the found the church and was around the relics that he could hear, but definitely there was whispering of sorts happening. Well, one time point, I don't really know and I don't know if it's in the comics, I don't really care. But yeah, he was definitely like he was corrupted at some point. For sure, yes.

Because he has his lying to, I think episode 2, where he says, each of us has a moment where we must decide what we will do with our lives with, with the opportunities that have been presented. So like an opportunity was definitely presented to him by Adriel and he was like, yeah, let's do that. Yeah, I'll become a serious bitch. Yeah. So that happens, he was his disciple. Yeah, he is like he's this one. It really is Jesus row.

Worships them might have with the actual nuggets is wrong with you, people. Hey, I'm worried about offending people with what I say about religion. We can't, we can't be It's okay. I have a hot take on this in the show with the religious stuff. But what's the Min and then I want to know that could be gone forever. Yeah. Alright, so Christian, who is the former priest and is employed by Julius alveus to help her find all of the divinium?

Because that's how she's building her giant machine. That Adriel told Michael how to build Michael is her son. Julian. We really want to know what happens to is the big science. Expert person, who is Both badass and annoying to me sometimes.

So yeah and I think he and her both interject another common theme with Christian stories which is like science versus religion and like so it immediately presents the scientist as like ambitious and Reckless and they're the bad guys because they're trying to destroy the church and it's like that never-ending battle between like science and reality and faith and like the unprovable. Little stuff.

So like they're the vectors of that Trope in like narrative basically and he like yeah he left the church to go to the science and that kind of stuff. but, and I think he's not a, he's not a good example of that for me, because it doesn't matter that he's renowned stitched the activities of the Catholic Church, the more nefarious ones he's still In service to. In the end, he's kind of aligns himself. I think he's going to align himself with Adriel. In my knee, right?

And that's my take from the trailer but I honestly don't like he seems as big of a fanatic as Vincent in a lot of ways and that's why I don't like him and don't trust him. So he is looking for the thing to latch onto and go Whole Hog into service for and I think that's going to be Adriel for him. He just this off as creepy to me. That's all that's what it is. He just it feels creepy. Yeah I can see why he has his moments where he's being quiet and I'm like so intense watching

you reason. I think the actor is so good at creating those moments where you just are like, dude, you're intense and it's a nun way. I can't deal with right exactly. But yeah, I can totally see what you're saying. It's like he's replacing the corrupt church as his belief system with like This science. We've proven another realm Adrian's, the master of that realm, that's my new God. I can totally see the never her that that makes sense.

It's like it's a, I don't know. That's like replacing One Faith for another kind of metaphor. I guess or storytelling. Yeah, it's actually do that. So that's Christian. In the finally, we're going to get to the big. The Big Kahuna as it were in Adriel, who is the as Caitlin likes to call him? He looks like Jesus in the whole Western white, jesus a European white Jesus, he's like white European, Jesus boy, which is ridiculous, but whatevs, they what you taught in Catholic School.

Like that's like fun fact about European Jesus and the bill for it of European Jesus. Which I find super hilarious is. Yeah. So if you know the story of the Christian mythology of like Jesus, Jesus come from like a part of the country, our country, the world, and spoke a language that white people would never be doing. So, there's no way in the story that this dude was a white guy. However, when you see pictures of him in modern times or paintings or whatever, it looks like a white guy.

And the reason is during the height of like the Enlightenment and stuff when like people the artist, Vinci was painting. You know, Christian stuff for the Christian Church, they Commissioned. I think what I wasn't the video and it was Michelangelo that sorry, I can't remember. One of those guys was commissioned to do Jesus and obviously there was no pictures of him. So he used his gay lover as inspiration for Jesus.

So all those pictures, you see, of G of European, Jesus actually gay guy, so there you have it. There you have it, there you have it. You're welcome, you're enough. Oh Jesus. So that's European Jesus. Yeah, he looks like European Jews. He does look like European Jesus. However, he is a demon in disguise. From whatever realm the tourists and The Wraith demons come from.

And he was fleeing ater a steaming because he stole the Halo. What we know is the Halo in the show from them and ended up in the middle of a freaking Templar battle where the warrior none and her compat rates were battling. Let's not even get started, I started on the on the Crusades that's a whole nother.

What the fuck were you all guys? Thinking thing and not pertinent so much but Adriel butts into this whole battle and then as like, hey if you guys help me fight this demon, You know, I'll save your Warrior your nun's life, basically, this woman who they revered and they're like, okay, yeah, sure. That sounds good. So he makes a deal with the Templars and he saves Ariella by putting the Halo into her.

They think Adriel is an angel. So they take what they know about the world and just absorb Him into their there, what religious knowledge, say, all right. Well, if you're doing this and you're bringing her back to life and you've got this circular thing that glows, you must be an angel. Guess what? He's not. But I whatever. He's just a selfish a-hole. Yeah, so Adriel gets trapped. What? I was just trying to figure out if they were doing that based off of Gabriel.

Neutral. Gabriel the Angel. Sorry. Sorry I get distracted. So you're good. Adrian's up. Long story short in a locked in the Tomb. He is not doesn't die like everyone thinks he does. And he's manipulating people from inside the tomb because before he died, he made himself a set of armor out of the

Terrace demons remains. And so he's connected with that armor and using it to whisper too Michael when who when we know of Julian's son Jillian, sun and getting them to do build a portal basically to his Dimension so he can go back. And by telling them that it'll save Michael's life because he's going every all the kids in this damn show are dying. Kids are not law. Except the one in.

What country was that? Christian's love suffering, that is a theme and just Christian lore of that suffering, if you suffer through something, then you are like more Superior to people for having suffered. It's just, it's a theme. So that's what they're doing. They're pure because they're suffering. One of those things closer to God, exactly. That's a whole nother.

Big anyway thing. Anyway that's Adriel she's back and he wants to take over everything and Summon all of his demons to help him, including father, Vincent AKA, and I have pretty little asshole, the not hot priest. All right. Go on. Okay, so What I love about this. So, the story that you told is actually what happened with Adriel and area, Ariana ariela, Briella Ariel who becomes the first Warrior not and she becomes the warrior known when she gets the Halo.

But when we first start, the story and Ava is learning about the warrior nuns, that's not the story. She hears. So, the story that is now myth and Legend is a completely different story and For me, like the religious stuff was like triggering because I have Catholic baggage and get triggered by this stuff. But it's basically used as a mechanism to tell a fantasy

story. So it's like, this isn't really Christianity, it's just like it's the guise of that to tell this fantasy story that's happening. So it can make it less triggering. If you kind of like break down what they're doing. So what they're doing with Adriel is they're showing you how myths evolve over time because the story that Ava here, Is the one that's passed down to the next Warrior and on who Bears. The, hey, libel.

This isn't in the Bible, I mean, yeah, the Bible to do, not just mean, it's like it's like the Bible, right? It does. It's the book of myths. So, the thought is a myth is based on a real story but like is it what actually happened? Because for a long time humans and write things down, it was there was its oral history where

you would tell the story. And as the more you tell stories, the more they evolve but like, in this context, Israel appears her group of people who already had an ideology, like you said and they kind of like bring him into their ideology and manipulate the story to fit their ideology. So what actually happened is what you said.

But the story that the church is telling is that Ariel was dying and she was such a great servant of God, that God sent an angel and that angel gave up his Halo to save her life and then that made him mortal. So he sacrificed For her. And then, he became mortal and died. The ultimate sacrifice for her. So that God can have his champion on Earth and who would kept keep passing that thing down. So, that's the story, they're

telling. Now that's the myth that evolved from some guy who stole something he wasn't supposed to have recognized. That if he hides it within other organic material, those demons can't sense it and then won't come after him anymore. So he could hide it in this woman. So like, without her consent, he just takes the hill on guys. Okay, and like she screams like it's a traumatic event for her that happens without her consent. And he's like, cool, I survived

to live another day. I will come back for that when the time is right, for me and continue on my fuckery, that was what actually would happen. But the the nights are just like, wow, God sent an angel and like that's the story that gets told, like Millennia later, right? So, that's the evolution of myth fact, versus fiction.

Like, the way we take this complex story with like, that's, you know, he says it when he meets Ava later, he's like, divinity is messy like you guys paint it as good versus evil black. Dwight. He's like it's messy and the reality is it's messy. He was a selfish being being selfish acting poorly. Saw an opportunity was like, I'm gonna hide it in this girl and then I'll keep doing me. And but then the people paid that as this heroic story where he, you know, she sacrificed he

gave her a reward. She went on to do God's Will and it's like that's not reality. That is literally a story that is myth and that basically starts this trend of these Having to bear this burden and like basically continue this fuckery without realizing what they're doing.

For this, I don't even know if he's a demon he's just some, he's from that other plane and and basically like in this story it's used it's kind of like he's like you guys every time like Ava later when she meets him to says I owe you an angel of these. Like if that's what you want to call me, if that's what helps. You understand this sure.

Implying that like you know myths evolve because people saw things, they couldn't explain and then put a story to it to try and explain it. And so like, heaven and hell was like the myth That came out of this thing with him, where he comes from another. I think this is literally, what's happening in this show is like quantum physics. Like there's other dimensions and he came from another dimension, but the people at the time didn't understand quantum

physics. There like those big scary things came from hell and he came from heaven, like, could Dimension bad dementia? So they like simplify the reality of that. Like he just burst through a parallel Dimension by accident and then they saw it and they put their own story on it. Like, that's how you get heaven and hell like, in the myth, that happens later in this religion.

So it's like the twisting of Reality by storytelling, which totally happens, you know, like reality is what people believe as we unfortunately see in our country today like, you know, so that's really what it is. It's not really about Christianity, it's about like the way Christianity of all to explain reality, which is there's another dimension. You can Pierce and come into it and like the Halo is part of that other dimension. It's like this big Power.

Horse and it's been lurking in our Dimension until like these creatures who probably owned it or like we're trying to get our shit back. That was stolen from us but because we look scary, like you guys are counseling trying to kill us like all the try to do is get their shit back like that's really what it is but by now people are like well they're demons they're bad we have to fight them but do we do we are

we just doing that? Because we're scared and that's what we were indoctrinated to believe big scary thing. Kill the big scary thing. Okay thank you. Yeah, that means a metaphor for many things, but I think that like the Christianity is like a myth that of all to explain the reality in this world, which is there's another dimension and you have these beings made of divinium which is described as like, the organic first metal and like we were explaining it

as like God made this. But really it's like this stuff from this other dimension, like is so it's really about religion really this way. That's the layer of it that I think is kind. Brilliant. Yeah, it's fun. And you don't understand that until you get to the end and you have this guy being like you've over, simplified this because that's what you're taught to do. But um sure whatever whatever you need to tell yourself,

right? I just that's the part of the whole story that I enjoy, is that? The layers of that. And I just think that there were ways that were I wish that we had a more better. Maybe maybe season 2 will make it better. Yeah, I don't feel like we have enough information, right?

I mean this to be fair the first season deviates from the comics it seems like and it's doing a ton of World building and the way they did it was instead of like giving you all the information up front, when like Ava is learning it it's like you're learning it in a fragmented way where the big reveals at the end. So it's like you can't know the full story till the very last episode.

So because of that, it's like an entire season of just like Setting stuff up. Really so there's definitely missing pieces for sure and I think that's on purpose with how they chose to like Pace things, basically. Absolutely. I think it's important that we're telling the story now like at the point in human history because the point in human history, where we come into the story is when science has gotten to a point where like we can Pierce through the dimension of be like, look science.

Look, we can get there now. Whereas like, if we came into the story with ariela and the very first The creation of the very first Warrior and I'm like you wouldn't be able to do any of that. It would just be like myths. Like we have to explain this with a story that we understand it the 1300s or we are so yeah absolutely yeah you're right we can't you clear? Tell the story exactly the one that they want to tell which is totally going to be interesting

to see in season two. There's there was just a huge Yeah, because of the thing that happened that shall not be named the Panorama The Panini, The Panini. I am really tired today. Um, I'm not used to talking about shows that have a nobody season and I just fully forgot that there's a second season coming. Oh my God. Even though we're talking next week Caitlin. Yes. Yes, yeah, it'll be. We're going to get So do you have anything to say about the the church to church religion,

'l stuff? Personal stuff to say if you want. I mean, by all means So I guess you just talk about everything I have issues. Sure. Tara is yours, whatever you want. Speaking of religious trauma. I have to remember if it was supposed to be in this episode or another episode, No nevermind. That one's for book club. Okay, I got different one.

Alright, so I have To be quiet. So I keep getting told you really need to believe in God. And I'm just like, okay, but my issue is, there are so many religions. What makes Catholics think that their rights. Like why am I being forced to believe in something that there's so many different versions of like why are you right? And everybody else is wrong. That's my biggest issue with this. Like, totally, you're telling me to you. I have to believe in something. No, I'm with you.

That's mine too. Me, too. No, I like this. What? If you were wrong, then you dedicated your life to what being wrong and you won't know till it's over. Yeah. And you know, maybe we just disappeared, maybe I like it just goes away. Maybe there's nothing, who knows? We don't. But interior my panic attacks now. Sorry exercise. All right sis, that's not okay. Well, I'm going to move on. From that slightly. It's a common thing in this family. So my brother The jokester, he

is and problematic jokes. He told my mom that he's going to start his new, his own religion, where they all worship, monkeys, because of evolution, oh voice did not like Well then just like the science in the religion. Starting fires. There's what he's doing. Oh yeah. No that's a common thing to but we won't go there. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I mean, we won't get into this, but just to comment

on that. It's like, I think that if you're religious like cool, I have an issue with people trying to force their belief systems on to other people. And I think that some people with belief systems especially with this whole anti-science thing that's going on. Have this misconception that people that like science is a religion or it's not. It's like we're not, we don't believe in science. It's not I don't Believe in science. It's like science exists and like it can explain things right?

It's not a belief system, it's not like it's always. It's right. No matter what it's like now. It's form of discovering reality like and it changes and I feel like people who are so indoctrinated and religion which is like Faith, even when it seems wrong, don't understand that like science is not a religion, it's it's a way to rationally, explain the world through a method and through reviewing and through all these. So it's going to die.

Nature, it will change. And so like there's this conflation that happens where it's like, well science is about and it's kind of presented in this show a little bit as like it's the alternative belief system to like ancient mythology where it's not. It's not a belief system. It is it is something else, it's a discipline, it's something else. Like but it gets conflated.

And that's a perfect example of like, oh, we're going to believe in monkeys as our Lord and savior is because of, that's what science believes, and it's like science. Doesn't believe anything science is not a belief system, they're not the same. So yeah. No, I completely I kind of Don't. It's hard with the show because it's a once again even with that you're even with conflating science and religion, you're simplifying, their simplifying. It the point where It's good and

evil all over again. Yeah. But it's putting something complex in a simple box. Yeah. And there, they handle it, as well as they can, I think in the show but it's still it kind of makes it my opinion like I don't understand why they're doing it, but in my opinion it makes those characters like Christian and Jillian. It makes them more

one-dimensional. Absolutely, that's what I'm trying to say and that's what makes it makes them a his character sometimes because they're just they're very like extreme on this one on the Spectrum and like you there are pulverizing characters and it's like I don't like that. Then there it's like lazy writing to me because they're forced to put them in this like Trope. Basically they're just as fanatical as the people who are religious zealots. Yeah. It has four way. Right.

And I think that's on purpose. It is, but it still makes Jillian really annoying to me. Chris. You're really creepy to me, right? It makes ya makes them creepy and weird. I totally agree with you, but yeah, it's again, it's a show science zealots. That's what. It is, but it makes them very one-dimensional. Like, in the show, in my opinion.

It also made. Also, all of that condensed Jillian's storyline to being about a bomb and that also my God, I fucking out of me, I hate when they do that because if you're a woman you it has to be about you having children or a man or one of those things like what at pick one, it's either about. You can't be just a science lady that has you know, actual dimensions.

Yeah. Of, but you have to have a kid involved or know my motivation for her, hate the plot line for her because she's portrayed as like one of the smartest people in the world. But her big failure, is it she can't biologically have children and that bothers her so much that she finds a demon Dimension, like get the fuck out of here. If that if Julian, if Jillian was the person that left the church and she was Christian and Christian. Was that the scientist?

There's no way in hell, that's his problem. Wine, there's no way in hell. He figures out that Dimension thing because he can't have kids. It's such a gendered, plotline. I fucking hate it. So much. Like it irks me because like, there's no way in hell if you made her a man that would be the plot line. There's no way that doesn't make any fucking sense. If they were reversed his plot line would be about. I may find the truth, right?

I need to be totally ambition. Yeah, because men masculinity says, you can be ambitious. But women it's like know, especially in this Christian narrative. It's like know your number one thing is having babies. You can't have a baby. You're a failure as a woman. So she's like I'm gonna fucking figure out their science. How I can be a woman. It's like, get the fuck out of here with this. I hate those fault lines so

much. It's just gendered and fucking annoying because we had some reason if she was a man. Some really badass moments in the show and yeah, she's a cool character. But it's like, why does this have to be her motivation? Why can't you just do? Like, I have a kid. He's sick. I'm trying to save him. That's a nun. Gendered plotline a man would could do that, too. But it's no. It's about. I couldn't have Kids. I'm a failure. Get out of here. You're like the world-renowned

physicist. Get out of here. That's a such a stupid plot line. I can't stand that. It's lazy. In my opinion. I hate it. Like the voiceovers I'm like this is like the, what's up? Yeah, it's a fun show. But there's some things that just really bother me. Personally, I can't stand think, I don't know from a writer's perspective. Why they use the voice overs? I get? I mean I know I have theories like we've talked about yeah but I hope that just season 2. It never feels completely.

I just it just doesn't work for me. No, it feels very shoehorned. Just don't like it. It doesn't feel organic to me. Absolutely. But yes, unless do you guys have anything else to say about this part? Before we move on to the women, the women, we love women. We sure do is go women's section. All right, so part is part three of this whole fun time. In Warrior Nana is the women and we're going to start with Beatrice. My only note is hot and gay hot and gay.

That's all you need to know. That parents the season two. I gotta say I'm really glad that they didn't put her in and put a hose. We'll try it later, but we will just pull her the stoic badass. She's incredibly intelligent and and a big nerd. She obviously can read and speak, multiple languages, and fight and Snow White vicious. Yeah, man. So they have created the perfect woman. Yes. And her My sister Beatrice? Yes. He has an accent like hopefully, come on.

No, goddamn it. She isn't a reason I kept watching the show I was like, okay, maybe I'll keep watching and I'll catch up this early. I've seen you got more lines and it got better sister she in my opinion made the show for me personally it was Beatrice and I'm really glad that we get more of her in season 2 judging from the trailer excited.

So yeah, Beatrice is the one that we, the nun that we are with the most, because she's the one that's with Ava the most I think well we do get a lot of Mary we'll talk about this. I'm sure in like the Ava Beatrice section but like Beatrice is the one who gets Ava to open up first exact. That's the main thing. That's why they have more scenes

together. Yeah. Where's Mary Mary interacts with her but it's like it's abrasive up front and not like and Eva doesn't respond to that like having because in a voiceover I remember and Beatrice are getting food and in a voiceover Ava says that Beatrice is more approachable than the other nuns and so she's gonna try to talk to her and that's how that all starts in. Yes, Beatrice is much more approachable and more. She's also a good therapist for Ava, I think is like hurt.

Roll it away, she strikes. I mean I have I'm sure. I'll get into this later but just as an overall for the character, she strikes me as somebody who's very Introverted, whether she's actually introverted or had to become introverted because of the way she was treated is another story. But at this point in time, she seems very like, she internalize a lot of things. She seems like a Wallflower character who sits and observes and then speaks when it's like, poignant to say something.

So she was like the first one to really observe Ava, just observe her without like, trying to impose what you want on her, which Ava doesn't either selfish at this point doesn't really respond to like Lilith is like all you have the fucking Halo. Let's like be in be a warrior right now and Mary's like you need to do it. We need to do to for the mission itself or is like Beatrice is like, I'm just gonna watch you and figure you out kind of thing.

Yep, yeah, so she seems like that in general about a lot of things. So because of that, she's very like strategic and like able to strategic. She's very she calculates a lot of things. So like when it comes to the their Team Dynamic, she's the one who comes with the strategies. She's the one who has a couple million skills. So like later she's like, hey, I'm the expert in explosives and like things like that. Like, she's like, I can set it

up so that it's perfectly. She's very like, analytical and able to, like, stay calm under pressure and she's very disciplined. I could that's about the word best word for for Beatrice. She is disciplined in, no matter the scenario and I think it comes out a lot in that scene.

I figured out But when like the stoop the, the sociopath nuns come onto the scene and as the sparring thing with her where she loses because the other one cheats and she's like, even after like she gets stabbed with the numchucks that the woman whips out of nowhere, which was totally not part of their sparring thing. Like, there's a moment where like Beatriz like holding her side and, and she's just like to her sisters, put the burhan. Like, wait, wait, I got this.

And she like Finishes the whole thing by doing the bow and like like because that's Beatrice, she's like no matter what I'm going to see this through. I'm going to stick to my principles, like I'm going to stay disciplined. I'm not going to let you see that I'm hurt and all this stuff and I'm just going to be stoic as fuck and go sit down.

And then when they re fight later, she's like, yeah, I was watching you really closely the first time, like, I'm willing to lose a battle to win the war and then they completely kicks her ass because she's like, I watched you, I studied you now, I know how to I've strategize now, like that's who Beatrice really is. He's the the Just, and that was the fight with sister crimson. Who has like one of those names sister. Crimson, whose sister who sister

fuckface part 2? She's Batgirl is so creepy. He is so dreamy. This is the actress is going to be angry Pete. Totally getting creepy. Is this the sister Crimson? The won the Scottish accent. The one that comes in that the Pope. The pope boy brings in der. Eddie brings in, as like, to replace all the warrior nuns when he's like, yeah. I gotta go, you're not loyal to me. And he brings in all those other nuns that are like super ejects. Yeah, I remember all the other ones.

She's the main one. She's the main one. The other ones don't talk. Yeah. The other ones. Don't say anything. Oh, she's the one that Beatrice fights, but he address fights her. And she goes. Oh, you probably didn't get that far on your re-watch is what I'm assuming. I'll send you the same because it's pretty good. Like, yeah, but So, yeah, what do you have anything to say about Beatrice Caitlin? I have a line that I liked, what's that?

I forget who she says it too. But she said you can always count on me to be faithful. And then she pauses slightly and says to God, this like whatever to do ready before he's superb, Pope because he cannot moment, he's trying to be like, be loyal to me, and she refuses to give him that she's like, no, like she sticks to her principal. She's like, I am loyal to God. God is the one that tells me what to do.

Not you manservant and that's when he's like mmmm that's when he brings the sociopath group and after that when he's like, I have no loyalty here. I need to put my own people in here. That's when he knows he's going to get rid of her. But that's, that's a, that's a Hallmark of who Beatriz is, she's very principled and six are principles. She doesn't just like room. Yeah, but like to compare her with like that.

The next character essentially were talking about Lilith, whereas like Lilith is super ambitious to a point where she can be. Manipulated Beatrice cannot be manipulated because she's not ambitious like that. She's just like I understand my role. I understand who I report to and like I can't be compromised based on my principles kind of thing. So that's like a comparison between like those two characters. Absolutely. Yeah, I also just love a stoic character because that's just my

jam. So same she hits all the buttons for me. Yep. So many buttons. Yes she's dreaming. Anyway. She has moving on to Lilith Who. I think I'm going to let fee or take most of this because the aura loves the or loves with. I'll put my two cents in and then we'll go to Theodora. I Spin. I love the times when Lilith softens and she kind of gets a little more human towards people in the story and I do think she's dealt a really raw hand, but so is everyone else in this

show? There's a reason she's driven and obsessed with being the warrior none and it's because that's like that's the ultimate Thing of her. That's like, that's the your job. That's the one thing that you were here for on Earth. It's to be the warrior nun someday. And so that's like, I think she's invested her her worth in succeeding in that role and the being the leader of the nuns and the Order of the cruciform sword.

But she's obviously being awarded by this person who has the Halo, Oh and is not even appreciating what she's been given his to Lilith. It's like a huge honor and she's acting in in ways that are as ice. Also like, why are you guys letting her have this? You know that I'm supposed to be the warrior none. So can't we just take this thing back. And so she's dealing with his that those emotions and also dealing with. Well, if we do, take this out of

her, it's going to kill her. So Just let go like, go with it and then deal with her own situation and then the whole whole it being pulled into that demon Dimension happens. And who the hell knows what happened over there with her back and I think she's fighting whatever. Darkness was kind of put into her or maybe fighting herself in a way. So like, I understand her story and I appreciate it for what it is. But the character annoys the fuck out of me.

I don't want to slap her chin. Annoys me too. All right. That's the end of my thing on Lilith. Do I had the aura? First of all, it's hot so there's that. So there's many things that are unforgivable with a strong woman who's attractive. I'm just saying I guess that's where we're at an impasse because I can appreciate her beauty but I don't find her like That's. Yeah. So with her I like her Arc throughout the whole show personally.

Because I think she has the most growth even more than Ava who was just annoying the whole time and like fighting everything and then reluctantly like changes at the end which I think Lilith those has a more interesting. She has kind of a similar Arc, but it's different, like, I like the way it's done. And with Lilith, I think what's really happening here is generational trauma because in the show, they explained that like, her family had six Halo bearers over three centuries.

So she's like, seven, she's potentially the seven. Of her family. That's a warrior. Not, so she comes from this like long, she's a, she's the Legacy, right? And so her family is basically like, we expect this of you like this highest honor it. We expect this view. So she was like indoctrinated to believe by her family that like, it's going to be. It's going to be you and her family. Sacrifices nuns. To the church to sacrifice themselves to be like the Halo Bear, right?

And so she like she has in her head that I I'm going to be this and so she spends her whole life training for it and then doesn't get it. And so, because of the way, like, this generational trauma is working on her, she has too much ambition to the point that it is actually a liability to

her. And that's what happens with the ready where he prays on that to get her to come on like away from the mission of God. His mission which is more in line with her ambition, where he's like basically saying like I don't think Ava should be the warrior and I neither I think it should be you and like you're very loyal and you've proven yourself and it's like playing into her ego with her ambition and she's like, yeah, that'll make sense.

I don't make sense like, yeah, I'm willing to do whatever it takes to get this thing that. Like, I'm supposed to have that. I've been bred to get right Born to receive. I think I'm the chosen one. And so like she was raised to believe that and then is Belated into like trying to kill Ava because of the ready, playing into that.

He's like I'm in a position of power to like actually give you this to you and I think it should be you too, but you need to get rid of her first and she's like, all right, that's what I need to do. I'm so ambitious.

I'm going to do it and then it just completely backfires and then when they're in the scene where the demon the Taurus demon comes after it because Ava's being a dick and runs away, and they start fighting with each other because Ava can't accept her Destiny. And then, the demon shows up and when the demon goes to actually kill her, Lilith intervenes and actually saves Ava's life because like again Lilith at the end of the day like is in this order.

She does really believe in it, it just hurts. She let her ambition, get the best of her and she was manipulated because of that. But at the end of the day like she is loyal to like this whole cause and she makes this ultimate sacrifice and ends up in the other realm whether or not. She's been corrupted by Darkness. I'm not sure. I think that she was shown what actually goes on in that Realm.

And is having trouble kind of dealing with that because later when they're in the Crypt or whatever, she's the one that shows up and is like she can't go in there, she can't go in there. Like I think she knows something from that other realm but like it's like flittering in and out

of her mind. Perhaps but like that experience of like stepping into the darkness or whatever like going too far into like your ambition I think is like what Lilith Sark really is, and then she comes out of it and is like processing her trauma. And she processes that with Mary Who like is her sister, no matter what her behavior is? And so hopefully like she's able to really get past more of that in season two, but yeah, I agree.

She's you know, she's stoic and she seems heartless and just all about the mission and because that's what she was. She was bred to be a warrior, right? And that's what Warriors do so by the end. She gets much more humanized. And as much more relatable, like, you were saying, Bri, But she's a girl that was manipulated by men. That's what she that's. That's what happened. She was manipulated by somebody

in power that she trusted. So it's not entirely her fault but like that was that happens to people, right? It's not such a such a improbable thing and that's just what happens a little things very sad but she you know grows from the experience of the end and puts her differences behind Deva and she's like, yeah, I get it. Like, it's supposed to be yours. Like it didn't reject you like,

I understand all of that. It's just like, to want something so badly and be taught that it's yours, and then you not get it. And it's given to somebody who like, is such an asshole about it. It's so fucking frustrating. You're like, god, dammit, like you shouldn't have, like, you're just being a dick, like, about this thing that I've wanted my whole life, like, that's a lot to process in like three days. So like give her some credit there. Other words really?

I'm sorry, go Katlyn. I was going to say it's really hard when someone else gets something like that. You like really what and you don't think they deserve it. They don't even want it. She was like I don't think I want this like it's like dude I just love that we're coming at that this from the two absolute opposite perspectives.

Of like you and I meaning like I get where I was coming from more and you get, we're a little at this coming from more and I think that's the beauty of like media and shows because you can, yeah, I don't know. Like, we can talk about it and like, analyze these characters, and it's just a really awesome way to interact with other people. And we kind of get to do that for fun. One. And also hence the podcast. Yeah, so it's a gift. But also, what's that Caitlin?

What's particularly cool about this situation? Is that the characters are actually doing the same thing. They're both being selfish, it's just in a different form. Yep, exactly. So like yeah, they're basically the same. It's just it's a different plot line but they're both at the end of the day, they're both selfish. And that's their fall. Both of them. Yes, they're opposite sayings. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, so American Louis now I got one. Oh you got one cheering? Let's hear it.

Now it's not actually about Lilah. She's just in it and this is the only place I could figure out where to put it. Okay, let's hear it. So it's another line thing. So Lilith, I believe it's Lilith who tells this nun, who I forget her name when they're all waiting for the shift change and she's like, like patients, I told her to patients. And she's like, I can have patients. Come on. You stupid, shift, change? Yeah, I just like that scene.

So you like Camilla is yeah. Oh, she's she is in here. I didn't know who she is. Sorry. Damn it. Okay, yeah, like her adorable. I don't like you. Yeah, she's I have heard written as lost puppy. Okay, I'm gonna tell you my Mary thing, and then I'm going to let you just do the because, obviously, you can just see me, like, dying over here. I need a nap. I'll still be here. But I won't be here. So, Mary, I'm just going to tell you right now. I love how easy, you know,

nonchalantly she just kick. Save off the cliff. Oh yeah, it was beautiful. Love Mary. Where is the heart? She is my other favorite character. Is Mary Mary. Okay, we love you, I can't lie. Mary the lease and unlike which is something that Ava notes. Hmm, it's true. And she's also the heart of the order I believe in my in my opinion, she's the heart of it. Because everyone kind of looks Turner with even if they don't know, that's what they're doing

or really consciously. Feel like that's what's going on. But Vincent, does it, I mean, he relies on her for everything and Mary had such a deep relationship with Shannon which high that's kind of gay. I really think they were just together. Can't can we talk about that? Can we see the picture on her desk? Thank you. What the fuck was that? It's literally on. Shannon's desk is a picture of Shannon with Mary behind her, like, doing those hug where Like, hovering over her

shoulder. What group of platonic friends do this hug? Doesn't make any fucking sense. And they would marry with our when Shannon was dying Mary, like, their faces were like She was way too upset about Shannon dying for that to be friendship. Like I'm sorry, this make any sense, there's no way together, I'm sorry, but they were getting other for sure. Well, I mean, is it Shannon gay?

And the yeah and like, and like, yeah, there there's the cannon clearness of to, for Shannon. So, so that's the thing. I'm looking food, even in the flashbacks with flashback with them. It was gay. So, okay, so get and that's why, okay, so, That annoys me though because it's like framed as platonic stuff. By the way, to people talk, I think at one point like Mother Superior is talking to marriage. She's like, I know you guys were

close. I don't like, just they were gay together like obviously, it's even she is it? No one. No one will say out loud because it's not supposed to happen in the hole because, you know, there's super duper, they're fucking nuns. Okay, technically, they're nuns fucking nuns. But whatever. Um, the none so we can't talk about it but yeah, they're totally totally together again, okay, it is Larry is I just love it. Hey there were cute too. We're cute. Oh my God. They were so cute.

Also, Mary is the one that actually gets through to Ava in a big way when she chases her all over freaking creation. Yeah. I'll do love the scene with them when they're hiking back to that Village. And like Caitlyn said, Mary ends up pushing her off, the cliff with the whole, the whole thing between them. I really liked their Dynamic, so high. I love that whole the hiking scene.

Well, not that, I guess like that not the same, but like the sequence of events from Viking to the village and then when they stop in the cave and we get Mary's, Mary's backstory, mmm. And she basically Is that it's kind of similar to Ava, where Ava like had a normal life. Basically, her parents were visiting in Spain and got in a horrible car, crash where they died, she was paralyzed and then never left the orphanage in that country. That isn't hers.

So like her whole life is turned upside down by like the loss of her parents and this like paralysis Mary had like a similar dish thing happen where it ate her mother was given a life sentence in prison because Mary's mother killed her abusive father in self-defense. But like Mary's. Like, she's a black woman. So, like, she didn't get the benefit of the doubt there. They just gave her a life sentence for murder. That was it.

Even though she like, her mom saved her life too, and like, pay the ultimate price for it. So Mary was orphaned in a sense at age 8 because her mother was not dead but like shoved away in a prison forever and you know, she shows Ava in that moment like she's like, hey you're not the only one that's been Delta shooting hand like because at this point you're angry at the world because you were dealt a shitty hand but like hey other

people have also been dubbed shooting hands and like have mu have found wait found purpose in life and that's that's Mary's big thing like she found purpose in what she's doing was like Ava is just flailing because she's lost she has no purpose and that's like a theme in the show and that's like that is a Christian theme is like finding purpose and like devoting, you know, devoting your life to the purpose. And that's kind of what's being presented in this story.

In this show also and importantly Merry fucking calls her out. She's the first person to call her out words. Like Beatrice shows her kindness, Mary gets to the point. She's like, listen cause she's very blunt and like upfront about stuff which Ava fucking needs and she called her up, she says you're no better than a child confined to a bed, everything revolves around you because it had to like that was your life like the world revolved around you because it

had to but like, hey shit. Changed like so either, like and she tells her like, hey, if being such a, if, your life being you is such a big burden Ava, like then like take that

thing out of your back. Like if this thing is such a big burden, like, get rid of it, like, get rid of the Halo like then don't carry it. So basically telling her like either, like you carry this thing and all the responsibility that comes with it and you get to walk around and be alive or like, if it's too much for you, like cut it out like because this means something to us. And like, you're destroying our Purpose By like acting recklessly and selfishly and so

she presents it into a way that like, Ava can understand, and that was so huge because that's kind of like the turning point for Ava to be like, hey, maybe I can find I can do good with this, it's not just about me. It's about other what I can do for other people, too. And that's what she sees in the town which is like that moment with Mary, like that whole day or two that they spend their like, helping people like Shows Ava, like maybe I can I can do for others.

What? I wish could have happened to me coming. Yeah, that is absolutely what the elite I think that was the only way to get through today, but it's too straight up, be straight up blunt with her and give her a mirror. Yeah. Say like, this is, this is what's going on. This is what this is, how you're acting. And we Your situation but like this is not just about you. So, yeah, and Mary. Also, unlike anybody else at this point. Also understands that Ava is

selfish. So, for Ava to be the warrior in on, it Ava has to come to her own conclusion, to be the warrior. Not so, like the whole time, they're there. She's like, I'm leaving without you. Like you, do you? I'm not kidnapping you. I'm not forcing you to come with me. Me, I'm just showing you what your life could be like, and you do need to make your own decision and she's confident that Ava's going to like make the decision to do it cause like, really, what is the

alternative here? But like she's like, I understand the Ava has to make the decision. I can't force her because you forced her and then she's like now and she Rebels like a like a fucking teenager and runs away. So Mary was the perfect person for this because she's like, I get I have to be made. Merry super patient. She's like, I know I have to be patient even though we're running out of time and now is this is frustrating, but I get it, she has to make the decision and so and ultimately.

Like, that's what works is like, Ava coming to her own conclusion. The only thing that could work. Yeah, I will say. Yeah, there there's one scene that I found hilarious in that. I think when they sleep in the church that night Ava wakes up at some point it goes and looks at this holy statue and it's like, it looks like it's crying. Yeah. She's like, oh my God. And it reminds me of the dairy girl. Singing with the crying Jesus. Yes. Just like who did it? Better.

Worry or none or dairy girls. So good. I did not even think about that. Not just re-watch Dairy girls girls because it's just like a water dripping from the ceiling. Yeah. Where is the dirt girls? It's a dog peeing. And the pious on the statute it goes way too far that one in the wintry but I do like the way Ava realizing out. I thought Would have a sign exactly. She's like was I chosen fuck

yeah. Because again like again that speaks to Ava too because if God is being like look I chose you. This is your path. That would be the scene versus like that is really a depiction of like Ava. You need to make up your own fucking mind. There is no divine intervention like you need a fucking choose. A path to walk so lately. Yeah, I love Mary. I fucking love Mary. I am I'm worried for her. Sorry, she's dead. I'm fucking pissed.

If she's dead. GE made real killed, if Adriel killed her, with that crowd of people, mom. I know, I know, I know I'm a, I forgot about that until I re-watched it. I was like, oh shit. I must have blocked this out of my mind. I'm scared. I want to believe, Bryant, she's not in the trailer. I know. She's not in any of the any of the anything time. I get why she wouldn't be though. It's, they're trying to like, I know, I know, I hate it.

Alright, moving on to Camilla, I don't have a whole lot to say about Camila. Okay, I will say what I was saying about kinda like, she is a lost puppy and I love that. She's also like super geeky like Beatrice. But she has the, she's more like the tech Guru of. Yes, she is. Yeah, and I think she's like, I think she's like, the, the novice to like she. Obviously, she chose to be a nun.

She chose to be in this order but she's like a Untested and as excited about it. So like she's like a puppy where she's like, We're Going on a mission. Like, but she's so cute and she clearly, like, really cares about them and like is like scary. Like she's like scared been like nervous but like like failing and she wants to prove herself and be part of the group. But, you know, she's just adorable and she has a lot of great lines that I met your mom. She really does she so cute.

Camila is adorable and geeky and also the person like I don't think anybody would be. This story wouldn't have gone to the place it was without her being still being in place at the order and being able to do things from inside that they couldn't do because they were now outside. Yeah. Kicked out of the order basically. She makes a really big choice to stay loyal to her family, which basically is what they are.

And say F you to the Cardinal /, hope at that point, this is the pope at that point and I do whatever I do. It doesn't matter saying thats like say just be like No And also sister Crimson scary. So like going against her I love her line though, when she makes that choice and basically all the other sister, her sisters are being backed into a corner by like the sociopaths and she comes out with a machine gun. And she's just like I hope I got the sign from God, right?

It's amazing. I love it. She is the best addition to this group dance. I agree. I love her. She's like the comedy and like the heart like a heart in like the wears. Her heart on her sleeve Karen. Yeah, she's very sweet. And like later with Lilith when like she's struggling with coming back from the other dimension and she's like, I made my mom is nettle tea and like she's young. Takes care of Lilith. And I love the scenes with them and I was just so sweet.

She is, I think that really helped totally. Yeah. I mean, you need that because like the group before that before she joined, was just all these like individual likes really stoic people and then she's like, what are we doing guys? Like she's you know, Mary is the heart but Camilla is the glue. Yeah, exactly. She's like a glue person. Exactly. Yes. She's the one that kind of keeps everything together in the way that she literally is keeping everyone together.

Yeah, exactly. So loved her would like to see more about her backstory. Yeah, I know. She's like the one character we really didn't get a from the main group or we really didn't get a backstory. So hopefully there's time for that. Okay. Yeah.

Mother's The furion. Who is at the beginning, sort of a portrayed in as a bit of a hard stiff and almost a villain in some way because of her loyalty to the church and by extension dered e but she comes through in the end and can't I think she kind of likes sees herself in these girls her and her like as her own and she was aware known before and then as she kind of sees what's going on and how Durrett he's manipulating things and doing things behind the scenes and

lying to everyone and how a lot of this is just kind of not fair to the order and she does not agree with him. Replacing the, it really starts when you're ready replaces, the current Warrior Nuns with the rejects AKA sister crimson and our psyche and her sociopathic buddies. I say that because she displaced traits of sociopathy she not saying she's We're not diagnosing her. Just now they also described her as such in the show. So I was going on. Yeah, exactly, yeah, ruining

that's what we're using. We're not trying to diagnose this character but no, no, no. Yeah, so I really think Mother Superior comes when she comes around. She is the best ally to have on your side because she is very capable and very intelligent And obviously has a long history of service to surviving terrible battles. So she knows what's what's up and how to help everyone.

And organize, everyone, I think she was also dealing with her own personal stuff before she got to this, this point murder. So she had her own personal, she is with Ava's, Thing. Yeah, so like in, I guess this structure. She's basically like the, a former warrior in a sense like she, she obviously was like, part of the OCS and then was in line to be the next Halo Bearer. But throughout the show, there's this legend or myth that the Halo can reject posts.

And but nobody knows really if that's true or not. Marry just like I heard. I just heard it and then we find out in a moment with Ava that Mother Superior and is the one that it rejected. She finds the scar on her back and it's like, oh shit. And she's like, yeah, it rejected me, I wasn't worthy because when when Ava first comes Mother Superior and is like well that's where she's critical of Ava because mothers appearing was like groomed for this. Got it.

And then it rejected her, which has to be psychologically, traumatizing for sure. And then she stays in the organization. So like that, what a strong woman. Omen for me to do that.

And so when Ava comes along and she's been a little shit about it like that has to hurt because like she obviously wanted it believed in this organization had the opportunity and then was denied it and seen as unworthy and here's Ava being an asshole about it. So like that had to rub her the wrong way and when she's describing talking to dirty and describing the rejects but you get the sense that Mother Superior and really believes in like the structure of the way it

exists and like believes in the rules not stuff. And she's like, They shouldn't be here if they failed. Like, they're not worthy. It's like this worthiness theme to like they're not worthy to be here. They shouldn't be here to start seeing like the cracks in the hierarchy and how the organization is being manipulated. So that other people can gain personal power, which is what the readies whole Arc is.

And so she's a question question, question question into like the very end when she's like, oh fuck we were manipulated but was my you, it was by the not a high priest was being a housewife But with Mother Superior and she also like, when you first see her, she's comes off as very unfeeling cold, kind of like the distant mother, a stepmother

kind of kind of figure. It could bees were seeing things through Ava's lens but there's a scene later where the ready essentially takes over and he like sends the unloyal nuns way. What, like Beatrice learned, she's being sent away, the not high priest is being sent away, Mary's being sent away like he's getting rid of people that aren't loyal to him and replacing the organization with people loyal to him.

So a power grab is happening and Mother Superior that goes with it because that's the hierarchy like it's coming from him, it's coming from the Vatican, I can't.

That's the hierarchy and Mary calls her out and she's like, She's like, I know, like you present yourself as somebody who doesn't care, but I know and you keep your distance, but I know it's because you actually care too much that you won't get close to us. You won't really show us how affectionate you are and how much you actually care about all of us. So they get says a lot about how Mother Superior was really forced to.

Like, put her own kind of walls, will be like, Beatrice does in order to like exist in this role after being like projected by the Halo and so she's a, an incredibly strong person and I'm glad that we see at the end that like Does care. She cares so much that she even like has a nice heart-to-heart with Ava that I think meant a lot to her. She was like, Hey, like look, you're worthy. I get that now. Like I'm sorry. It's basically he's like I'm sorry I reacted that way.

It's like my trauma. I get it now like it's fine. Like I will sacrifice myself for you kind of thing because I Sheba wholeheartedly believes in like what they're doing like Beatrice does. And she's a badass and hot Warrior and I'm like, yes, fuck, you halo like those scars. I think the shoes, just kind of such a badass when she was needed to come into her, her knowledge, she needed more time.

That's, that would be my read of the situation she needed, more time to become Mother Superior. Yeah, I hope we get more of her next season. So unfortunately we're going to talk about sister Crimson, creeps me out. Yep, I don't know. This is like one of those things, where if I met the actress in person, I'm not sure that I could get rid of totally, get rid of the whole sister Crimson in my head. Yeah, she's so good. She isn't, she's put, she's not a nun.

He's pretty, she's not a nun. Come the heck on? Now, she's just a violent angry. Just using this position to rain down. Violence and awfulness on everyone that Durante points are at. She's kind of like, The, the nun from the orphanage, like, if that woman had been given a gun, she would have been this woman. Just like, I'm gonna murder like, if she had been trained in

combat, you're right. This is this is like that woman's daughter if she was totally like the younger version, like had I have two different paths would be me. Yeah, it's really scary lady. Yeah, using her position to Justify all this crazy violence as a means to an end. Yep. Whoever she is a little too confident in her. Oh yeah. Beatrice gets gets her in the end because she's hot and she's amazing. Yeah, forms. And I don't know if we're gonna have to deal with her this

coming season but she's alive. So maybe But maybe, maybe it was just being a very glancing type. See, absolutely nothing extensive. But yeah, I don't think it'd take that much of sister. Crimson me neither. My cup runneth over of sister Crimson. Just from the scenes. We got ya, there was plenty.

Yeah, too much. So on, a more pleasant things are last woman on the list, sister Shannon, who in is Canon gay, and the true leader, who happens to stumble upon the knowledge that everything she is being. She finishes out that Vincent is sus basically and she kind of finds out that all of this is the the warrior nun. And the other members of the OCS are being manipulated to carry out an agenda. That is not their own. And she finds out way too much information for Vincent to be

okay with. And so, he basically assassinates her because He's a fucking asshole. Who's obsessed with a drill. So we are deprived of sister Shannon and Mary being adorable and awesome together by this asshole. Father, Vincent They drill by extension. It's very sad. I wish we could have had more time with sister Shannon. I really enjoyed her when she was on screen. And she's also smart enough to figure out that Vincent's ski.

Be conniving bastard. Yeah. And I think another thing, I'll literally all of that. And another thing I think is important to point out about Shannon. If you really, she shows not buy it like being on screen by the remnants of what she was doing that, the warrior none, although is part of a Sisterhood ultimately isolated by the burden of being the Halo Bearer. That's just part, it's part of like being a leader and having a responsibility. Nobody else has basically.

And so there's a this quest to essentially get into the room adjacent to Shannon's room because Mary can't let the dead lover thing go and it's like there has to be something. So she finds this but Ava phases into the room and finds this book that essentially hillock story. Every single Halo Bearer ever and the room is really cool. Like it's like this little alcove in between kind of like walls and it's got this glowing gems and the book but it's like

sad though. It was really cool but it's like this is all that's left of these women and it's just like Shannon had to go in here and like basically reads stories with the only people that can really understand her. Like it's really it's sad when you actually think about it and That's like foreshadowing of like Ava like Ava, this is going to be you, to, girl, you gonna be hiding in a crypt with the only people who could possibly understand.

You is like, from those book, which is really sad. But it also shows like how clever she was too. Because she left this message essentially of like, hey, don't trust him, which say the name, girl, what the fuck? That was stupid but like she leaves this message. To the only person who could on who could get it would be the next Halo bear. So, it's like, Shannon was

incredibly clever. And from hearing about her, through the other characters, like she was basically, like the ideal person to be in this position to like the best leader. She was obviously, like a good sister, like all that stuff. So it is tragic that we get like glimpses of her through Ava's memories, but Yeah, I wish we had. I hope we get to see Shannon and another aspect of the show. I'm a little upset.

I've now knowing about the comics that her queerness wasn't explicit and it's almost treated like platonic. I'm hoping that's because we have Ava instead but like that would have been nice to just be like yep and move on. but all the signs are there that that probably was the case, but she is not the focus of the show but still yep, June was My character, so unfortunate. But here we are. Here we, are, you we've got the story we've got and we're going

to see what happens. But for now we're going to end this part of our Warrior non coverage because we can't possibly fit into this episode just too much now no we need to talk about it in an extensive extensive so as lesbian Jesus would want precisely you guys to analyze this what was being Jesus do? Yep. so, get your hydration of choice for part 2, which is Gay Warrior done talk. Thank you for making it this far with us. Yeah, at least you had the women at the end.

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