Paper Girls Part 4: Let's Skip to The Gay Part

Hello and welcome to Big Gay energy. I'm Bree. I'm Fiora and I'm Caitlin come along with us while we dive into the fun and nuances of queer media representation matters. And we're here to talk about it. We have made it. We have made it to part 2. Part 2 of Paper Girls, gay stuff. I'll just like, Christmas girls, gay stuff. And we're going to jump right back into the cage and Maxine's and my notes got out of order so I'm very sorry.

So we're going to head on back to episode two and talk about like one of the first like KJ and Max solo scenes. And that's when Max sneaks out of older Aaron's house to go see her childhood home and find that. It's just this giant pile of rubble, which is Major foreshadowing for like mac this whole life. And she's like, kind of Like contemplating her life sitting on a park bench and cage a comes and scares her.

Because of course, KJ was following her in the middle of the night because like Wanda, did you do as you as you do and it's at first, it's very, very cute and kind of like Bond over the fact that like, wow, like in the future Stony stream, where they grew up is very different and like that teacher, we had is probably dead and they start getting into like they're morbid humor that they have. But then it starts getting into like xenophobia territory with Mac because she's repeating

stuff. You said it home and I'll talk

more about that later. But what I wanted to mention here is that I thought this was a significant scene between the two of them because Max we've talked about this before when we talked about Mac. But her armor has to do with like a lot of like verbal insults that she throws at people and In This Moment. She's doing that to KJ B KJ, really like brings back the fact that like hey, words hurt Words hurt, you know, not as much as a fist can, and they can be

dangerous. And when she starts going off on this, like, xenophobia tangent, cages, like, have you ever heard of the Holocaust? Like, maybe ask my grandmother about this sometime. Because, remember, these this is post WWII, like they're fresh out of that these kids. And Mac brushes it off because like to Mac like hurling insults is normal words. Don't hurt.

She's like this isn't Nazi Germany, like stop being dramatic and cages like I'm not being dramatic, like somebody drew Jew bitch on my locker last year like this hurt. This is still, this is real so I love that. It's a reality. Like the you know, that these words mean something and to Mac, she's become so desensitized to it because of her childhood that like the words, don't mean.

Anything. It's just like this just words but and I love that like, instead of like doubling down, like, some people just double down. Like, well, that's a you problem that you were offended like mac gets really quiet and admits like, well you know, I would never do that. Like I would never go that far

kind of thing. So it's significant in the sense that it's showing that like well Mac like kind of has this Persona about her, she's willing to change and so it kind of like foreshadows like her trajectory later and like how she changes and, you know, changes her brother by extension.

It also shows that like again, once again, KJ isn't afraid to be direct and stand up for herself, especially when it comes to Mac, like his match, kind of like Bully her at first and she's like, no, no you're not bullying, me and she calls Mac out on her bullshit and I think that's an important Dynamic, you know, sometimes you need somebody to call you out on your bullshit because your, you don't see it and like, kg is the

one who's like, mac. Like double-check, like, stop doing that and Mac, listen to her, which is huge and I love that. They have that very early on. I it's also hard on Words. It's been a long day, heart. I like that. They did point that out because things that happened. So long ago are still relevant today and people are like well that happened back then it doesn't happen now but it does. It does exactly. It's don't talk about it or we hide it.

Starting to listen, the Enos is coming out now. So like again, this is all really relevant and it's through the lens of children. Who experience these things. All these people are like we're protecting the kids. It's like the kids are experiencing those two like it affects everyone. You know you can't protect them because then they won't know how to deal with it. Totally. Totally. I had this is going to be a rant in the later episodes.

Can't tell. So, before we go off tangent into a different episode, we haven't recorded yet. I want to go back to the mall. Seen, we brought up earlier because this is one of kjzz gayest moments, ever. And it's when she they're all bonding over the Debbie Gibson concert at the mall and KJ drops in Vivid detail. The First time she saw knocking the small and it's such a girl to crush thing to like, remember like again, like he doesn't realize she has a crush on back, but she like he's like I

remembered Vivid detail. The first time I saw you, like it's so like again it's one of those moments later like when she was having the the panic and the mirror. She's like, oh yeah, the way I remember the first time I saw a Mac, that's pretty gay, isn't it? Like I don't question. Do you, do you guys remember the first girl that like you really looked at? Like that, you that we realized was a crush or that we do. Not like you just. Yes. Okay, so hi. There was this one girl in ninth

grade? I don't think I saw an eighth grade, but ninth grade that I just could not stop staring at, I was just like, she's really pretty. I wouldn't be her friend and it wasn't until like I realized everything in like, oh, No wonder like I was obsessed with her. Yep. Really up like yours or mine. It is literally like girl-next-door situation. She was older than me played Sports beautiful and I would like get jealous of my other

people. Other like neighborhood kids would talk to her and I just like, I realized later on That's why. Yeah. Yeah, that's totally really relatable. Yep. Mind you have I went straight for the MILF damper your religion teacher, Miss fifth grade teacher. Mrs. Hall was no damn taught. Everything that's even super bill on everything. And I don't I didn't know why at the time, but I was really glad she was divorced. I don't know why I'm so happy

about this all the time. I just remember being obsessed with my second grade teacher, but I don't know if that was like, I don't know what that was. If it was more of like a motherly type or what I do, I still don't fully remember, all I know is I just wanted to hug her. I love Bri. I'm so glad. She's divorced. That's the thing and you're like, I don't know why. I think this. I love my school. You don't understand that? Wow, we actually had to leave

the class. For an hour every day to go have science class in the next class room. And I was like, can't, why can't she just teach us this to? And it was because they would switch off like her. She was better in a subject and our other teacher was better in science. So they would switch off. I'm like, what I want Miss Hall. Did she teach me everything? Me crackling. It's a lot about us. Straight. Fifth grade teacher. Hey, never know. Never know. Yeah. Oh no. No. Okay.

Sixth grade. Math teacher. I was so upset that she was married. So, okay. The opposite experience. And so I was so pissed because I took me out of her math class and put me in a lower mouth because I had my mom's boyfriend doing my homework. because I couldn't understand it, but I was so upset when they took me out of her car, And, you know, a bunch of memories Halen's like, do my homework, so I can be in this class. I'm gonna be a MILF, math, MILF.

Mad, that's it. I feel like that's great. I feel like that's KJ in high school eventually she has energy. Anyway, speaking of kidding. I also love that Max response to hearing this like really Vivid detail sheet. Looks like your let's be real Mac didn't notice KJ at all. So to hear this in your like, wow, you're a stalker, it's very creepy. So to be on the receiving end of that you're like, huh? Do you think that's what people think when I talk?

Yes. No. When you bring up shit from bearing from the past? Yeah, I do you think But like, I just wanted to know about each again to just be on the receiving end of. That is also like weird. You're like, that's really weird that you remember that because I don't remember this.

But anyway, I love that. It's very human and very like a kid with a crush thing and who doesn't realize that her Crush All right, so from there we will jump to episode 6 back on track to the the kg and Max rooftop scene. So this is after KJ goes to the movie theater and talks to Lauren and then Mac, I think had her blow up, blow up with Aaron

about like I have no future. So max like in her feels and then KJ's on the roof goes up on the roof and it's a very, very sweet scene between the two of them where they really both like let their guards down fully with each other. And they're both really, Paired to tell each other, very deeply personal things that they've never said out loud before.

So I love this scene. and this the sad thing is like, Mac, Mac gets to say her piece, but KJ hesitates while talking a little too long cause she's like, again, trying to like psych yourself up to be like, II have a guy like, because I love the dialogue. Okay. It's so so, so so good. Okay. And I also have to point out that I love this conversation that they're having like, their deepest darkest Secrets.

It's on this rooftop with each other alone because in the comic books, they have a lot of emotional scenes with each other on rooftops. So I love, this is like a homage to the comic books. Why they're on a rooftop. And in the scene like, hey, Jay basically tells Mac like I saw myself. And this is when we get the house, the clothes and the cars thing we talked about and I love that, she says to Mac like because she's like, well, what's

going on with the future of you? And she says, well, I'm happy now, and I luck. A, the delivery is again this give feet out award for her role as Kate, because she just kills it the way she says. I'm happy now. Now in the future that pregnant pause before she says, now she like drops her voice and the way she says it, it just conveys. All the weight that young KJ is carrying about her doomed future and it's almost like seeing herself as an adult and

realizing she's happy. It alleviates this giant weight that's been sitting on her. And she sees that her older self isn't burdened by living the LIE, her mother wanted his cage, a keeps getting mad at lying because I think that's internalized hatred because her mother's making her a live a lie and she hates it and resents it. But she sees that when she's older, she's not like she sees that she's Brave and she broke out of this generational trauma that's happening at her house.

And, and eventually in the future, it's bright for her. Like she will be free, and she will be happy and like, AJ knows her future is better. And like, and I think that happiness, like gives her the courage to like, Actually feel

things. And while she's saying that she like looks at Mac and then like lingers and I think again, she's starting to like click and she says, I think maybe older me sorted, some things out, like a, she's looking at Mac, she's delivering this and then she'd psyching herself up to say. And she says, I think that maybe she might be, or, I guess, I might be like and she's this is her admitting it and then Matt

cuts her off. So like she was going to say, like, for the very first time out loud, like, she's psyching herself up to do it, like, that's huge to even get to that point. Never more annoyed with Mac than I was at that point. Yes, exactly. But also it's like the saddest thing ever because while KJ just realized her future is bright and she's gonna be happy Mac learned the complete opposite about herself.

And it's such a sad juxtaposition because Mac, you know, basically tells her I'm never going to escape my shitty life. Basically, she has four years left to live and some of that's going to be battling cancer and she's going to lose like her. Uphill battle is one that she ultimately loses and she has this line that I really love in there. Were she says it's weird and we talked about this earlier but it's she says it's weird

whenever stuff gets really bad. I always tell myself to suck it up and stick it out because I know it's going to be different when I grow up. Second, I turn 18. Gene. I'm leaving my shitty house, getting the fuck out of Sony's dream. And just thinking about that would make it okay. It doesn't matter that life is shit now because one day it's going to be so good, but that's bullshit. This is it. And that's like such a like what a heavy thing for a 12 year old to realize.

Because like that is so true. That is life. Like sometimes like this is it and like you lie to yourself to get through shitty situations. But sometimes they don't get better and like to know that as a 12 year old, I can't even imagine what It's like to even process that like how do you even trust? Like it since it's actually

insane. Honestly, and what I love is that kgs response to this because there's literally nothing you can say to this and KJ, just hugs back, she doesn't say anything like any time Mac is being like, truly by Kaitlyn. Being being truly vulnerable. Like KJ doesn't say anything. She just hugs her. And just comfort her and let smack cry in silence like she did on the motorcycle and it's just it's very sweet. That scene. I like it. I love it.

It's just what a sad juxtaposition, the two of them very much so yeah. You have any thoughts? Caitlin about that, kind of got distracted? Alrighty. Okay, uh, no. All right so we'll move on to episode 7. So after that, rooftop confession like the two of them start like almost get glued to each other side after that.

And so they're wandering around town in like a.j. is trying to convince Mac because when she hears about this cage he's like makes it this personal mission to like help match. You look, bad things happening. We have to stop it. We gotta catch it early and in kg. So, so determined to like, help her chin on her girl to die II know. I know, and I love that. She says, this line that like, in this case because Max like no, no, there's nothing we can do.

Like, I'm gonna die like, that's it in cases, like, in this case doing nothing, he's just Letting the worst possible thing happen. And I love that because people forget that like in action is also an action in and of itself like choosing to do, nothing has consequences sometimes like people who are like, I'm not gonna vote, it doesn't matter that actually has a consequence like not doing something. So like again through the lens

of a child, I love this. Like the girl was very wise behind her ear Beyond her years which I love and Mac, you know, kind of confesses her point of view which I love to. She's like, it's happening. But it's almost impossible to believe. It doesn't feel real because yeah, like how do you process this like you can't. She's just like, I don't, how is this my life?

Like, it's so crazy. And I think that line to also applies to KJ because she just had this big gay Awakening, that was the exact same thing, which is like, this doesn't even feel really how is this real? And so like again, they kind of like relate here and I just, and I love that that KJ just literally just wants her to be okay. And she's like, hey, maybe admitting It's the first step because like that was my gay Journey, like make sure you feel that it's real. So you take it seriously.

And she's like pleading her. It's so cute. She's just like, please please, please like, I want you to exist, like it's so cute and like, I think, through this interaction to Mac is starting to realize too. That like other people not just her brother like other people care about her, like you could hear it in KJ's voice like when she's pleading with her. And like mac very slowly starts to understand like no other other people care about me and it starts with KJ which is so significant.

I love it. I'm just thinking about time travel right now and having my good because technically anything they do right now would affect their future and I don't understand how it's not affecting it all at once and I just have lots of issues but I think we'll get into that later and I just That's where my brain is. Focus on the cute gay stuff Caitlin. Yeah. Okay. So you have on my brain is in gay. Yeah, look at how cute they are. You're so cute.

All right. And then and then after those again to make it real the way they make it real is by going to see Max grave, which also is so morbid, but like the two of them have this weird dark humor that they like share in common and that's what the scene is really about. And there's Planes again I'm with them on the dark humor. That's my that's the only that's one of my favorite kinds of

humor period. I had I wouldn't have gotten through school without it school being like you won't find a surgical person without a dark sense of humor. I mean, it cutting into bodies, you don't cope with that somehow. You know, I love the smell of bone dust in the morning. I say that. And it's creepy, but it's true. What does it smell like? no, it's kind of like I don't know, you know, this like this smell kind of like in a wooded place after it rains, kind of reminds me. Interesting.

Like yeah. Interesting. Not what I would have guessed and I guess what I guess, but it's just got this, it's almost and I don't want to. I don't know how to say. I was almost got this life smell like it smells like That I don't know how to describe it. But also people are the smelled xeroform. So what a have fun? What's a good cleansing sterilizing think they put? This is not like lots and lots of goopy goop, yellow stuff that's good for your wound.

Thank you. I was thinking of chlorhexidine, impregnated things. And that's not what it was. Thank you. Well, I often look like this. When they talk about medical stuff, X, I follow it. I've been learning a lot anyway, speaking of things. Yeah, back to the gate. So speaking of bones.

Okay. Things I love in the scene is the sense of humor, but also they like remind the audience even though they're dealing with all this heavy shit that their kids and they do that by like having KJ point out, the name butts on a grave every day that they're 12. Like, remember, they're 12? And I won't have done that though. All right, know who else would Have done that. Whoo, Cody. Yes, yeah, sorry Peter. So could have done that for

sure. If you're listening, Cody, yes, you this would be you but I love. I love that Mac. The dialogue after this is really funny too because Max like, you're going to hell and then cages like Naji. Does this like hand the thing that like Grandma's Day? Like man I like Jews leave real ago going to the same place. I just love she like Yeah. Yeah. And then eventually they get to the grave and that's like the real moment and that gets really scared because you're looking at your dead self.

And so if you tries to deflect the way she always does by being like, what do you think? I look like a, my just bones and kg responds with us not by hugging her or like comforting her. I think she just speaks Max language here and uses twisted humor and she's like, well depends on how good your cough and is, but your eyeballs are definitely gone his worms. Face the way she's says, Allah

made. So but also, but Mac is just like, I love this because this is Maxie engage a and saying it out loud and she's just like people don't notice because you're quiet but you're really fucked up and people don't notice that and like People say that to me a lot that you're fucked up. As though know. Like as a quiet person myself, like I get that people are like, wow, when you talk it's totally different. So like I totally get that but it's very cute.

It's like an ICU moment. Yeah, I just love it. I love it. And then see AJ. If you think about KJ in her future, she's going to become a filmmaker and to appreciate, like, great art and to make art, I think you have to have like, sort of a fucked-up Part of Yourself. Totally. Yeah, that is very that tracks. Yeah, you're so absolutely. I would love it if she makes dark comedies growing them, damn. But the rest of this is really

cute too. So after that they kind of exchange these smiles and then KJ, like keeps going with the humor and she's like, I bet you were buried in a dress and Mac. It's really I love kj4 that, I love that too. And I also love the constant thing about Max a version, two dresses because that is so fucking relatable.

Personally, I'm hating dresses. Like so I love that KJ keeps digging It's very, very sweet and and, and the rest of this whole sequence with them in the graveyard, with my cowl shows up, and all that stuff, KJ keeps doing this stuff like, and it's throughout the rest of this show like here at going from here forward where she keeps like, doing tactile affectionate things with Mac, like she'll like, touch her shoulder and like touch her arm like to comfort her and stuff.

And it's, it's really cute and it just the rest of the the season. Is it just is the cutest Okay, last scene from this episode is KJ's. Birthday gift to Mac because it's ironically its Max birthday and they're seeing her grave and all this stuff and Mac has that line. Yep. July 5th. I'm a cancer. How great is that Darkness? As a fellow cancer? I hear you but then okay, that one is great. But then cages gift is a bottle of Orange juice.

And I just love this because just imagine her looking through the because again, she's worried about Max future and her dying and so she looks through this whole convenience store. Let's get her something for her health and she gets her a bottle of orange to look. It's so fucking cute and such a kid thing. Like, I love it. I love it. It's so cute. I'm just like in my brain. I just kept going. Hey, it's o.j. from KJ. Sorry.

Sorry. I was a child when this one on my grandmother was obsessed with watching this. I hated all of it. I only know the name. Like I have no idea what happened basically. He got off for murder. And the 12 biggest part of it is, there's an actor / football player wearing his ex-wife. Yep. Her friend. Yeah, it was a fad. It was a very famous for hours. It was an actor. Yeah, he was an actor to who's more on the sports side at that time. Yeah, that's time. Or yes, I totally just did not

pay attention to what? I don't even think you were born yet. Yeah. What year was it? Pressure is a 90s. Yeah, the Bronco Chase. Yeah, the late 90s. Anyway, Tourette's getting back to like orange juice OJ.

The last part of the scene that I really love aside from like the gift is like the conversation they have here because this is Max like coming to terms with the fact that people care about her a moment cause like they just saw the Stepmom on the anniversary of her death or her birthday. Going to the Grave like again Mac was like she never really cared about me. She was like, never there for me as a kid. Why is she coming to my grave

and giving me like flowers? Like why is this happening? and, It's just, it's sad because it's like it's impossible for her to believe that like somebody loves her. And we talked about this in the other episodes, but like Dylan and Mac didn't really get expressions of healthy love. And I think that changed when Mac got sick and she's eventually, we'll see what real love is from Alice and from her brother and so, but at this point she has no idea.

So she's having a hard time understanding like why are why are people like caring about me and in cages the one who's like, like she's like, oh, I think That is weird. That people gave a shit about me and cages, like, well, I give a shit about you basically, and like, it's cute because they're sitting on the step and occasionally crosses into max space and like nudges her when she does this. Like, again, that tactile things she keeps doing and then she says, I want you to live, you know?

And like I don't think Max ever heard that anything like that before and that's when she more than a shit about her. Well, yes, she did. She gave her orange juice. That's cheap, that's code. Doesn't Valentines. Yes, life about her because life about her butt up. Like, that thing. You do to your crush. You want to touch them as much as possible, even when you're at thing. Yes, exactly. You have no idea why you're doing it but she keeps doing it.

Yeah, I love a lot of kg stuff is so subconscious, but it's just like, you can in this scene in particular, like after they say all these things, they stare at each other and like, there's a second or that's a lingering on KJ. And you can just like, feel her Crush, like a being off of her. It's like palpable like her Crush. It's so cute. I love it so much and then Aaron interrupts it and Tiffany because that's our Tiffany Hair. You Know, Tiffany this. I was mad at Tiffany's like what

he let them let them. So it's like every time that happens I just want to do this to the screen. It's the debris. Just took the time to write that and we didn't notice Thank you brave, for doing that. We believe that Jimmy Page. We need that for future episodes. Yeah. I need the gay sign, pick a side. All right, so and now we'll just go to like the final KJ Maxine's in the last episode. So we get to like the time Loop. I'm calling it The Time Loop in the in the barn scene.

So what we learned about this time, this time stuff that we haven't really been talking about is that basically What's Happening Here is it's not just time travel they're trapped in this time Loop basically. So they learned in the last episode that like basically what's happening in the future is triggering events in the past.

It's older Tiffany calls it a predestination Paradox and basically because these The events are codependent the future in the past, it's causing things to just repeat over and over again. And so like ultimately they're trapped and they really can't change the future, they created the future because the future created the past. So there like trapped in this Paradox basically and Mac.

Here's this because her and she just had all this hope thrown at her like people love me. Like maybe we can have a better future. Like, and then here's, we're fucked. And she says, and everything that happened is gonna happen, and there's no changing it. And she's like, I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die.

And like, KJ knows what's happening and like, immediately starts like touching her and then Aaron gets on the walkie-talkie because they're like, trying to talk to the Future and is trying to warn like heck and all do in the future and she starts repeating. You're going to die over and over again, which triggers Mac and Mac runs away.

I mean understandably. So yeah, totally totally, totally, totally, totally totally but I love that Mac goes to the barn because Mac loves animals and so that's like a safe place for her. She just starts like petting And like a goat. Like I love that like relatable I love animals more than people because people treated me like shit my whole life. That's kind of like mac. That's why shouldn't be a vet not a doctor. And then who runs after her to the barn KJ.

And then we get this scene where Basically like the old-timers are coming after them and cages like we gotta go because like danger and but then you have enough time to have this moment KJ like approaches her and then Mac puts her hand on KJ's and KJ freezes because they Panic. Yep, hold up your sign free. Because because I altered it to because gay 10/10 is happening in. Plus k 2 plus k 2 plus K Temple

skip. And then, okay but then Matt, what Matt tells KJ in my opinion is the best possible way to declare your love for somebody. And she basically says, thank you for being how you are, which was my collects a flashback of, like, thank you for being you. Because Alexa said it to Clark and it's just, it's the best way to say, I love you to somebody. It's just like, I love you for who you are, is basically what's happening in the scene and I just love it. I love it. I love it.

I love it. And it works. So well, here with the two of them because again, Max just seems like the kind of person who doesn't love people like she likes being the library and reading and she likes animals and just here she is to like tell this person like thank you for being you. Like that's a big deal for like somebody like Max I like this is her like changing it to somebody who's more loving and like caring, which is kind of seems to be what happens when she gets her diagnosis.

But KJ is gay panicking. And and this is kgs realization, like she's had this full process happen. Like with like, okay, like how do I know if I'm gay? It's just Lauren's, like, hey, you just gotta feel it. When that feeling happens, just feel it. The feelings are happening right now and you see on her face because she gets really quiet and she's just like staring at Mac and she's like, oh shit, I have a crush on a girl and it's this girl and what the fuck do I do?

And Max just Are you okay? Because Katie's haven't heard gay, real Association moment here, but then again, it's like one step forward, two steps back. So she like rips her hand away because she's like, wait, because again, like it's a scary position to be in because you're like, what? If you're not gay, you could

react badly. Like this is what like and she starts rambling and rambling and she's like, I gotta, I gotta go process, this is kind of like what she's getting at, but then Mac just again was vulnerable for a second and then she's like, oh, you're going to reject me? me, when I'm like being honest with you and she storms into the house, And it's time for the gay panic.

I know. I know I'm like, and like, again, I think KJ gets mad at herself and you see her like beating herself up in the barn like after it happens. Because she's like, like fuck. Fuck fuck fuck. Fuck like because like I mean I don't think she didn't want to tell Mac because like on the roof like she wanted to tell her like I would have been the first person she told and then she's like oh wait the first person, I felt comfortable enough to tell

is the one I have a crush. I like it's a lot to process mating. It's so scary. Really like, oh my God, it's scary. And then she's staring at her and she's like, are like, what's going on? And she's like, I can't tell you what's going on. I can't tell you what's going on like black like fuck. And she's like, I just gotta I need a second. I need a second.

Okay. Because it's like here's my vulnerable vulnerable underbelly telling her she's gay and then also here's my heart and it's like yes crash. Oh my God. And then poor Mac because like Max not used to like that was a big step for her to just even say thanks for being there for me. And Then she's like, oh wow, you're going to reject me. Fuck this, yes. So it reinforces Max Yeah, it was I wrong about with you like humans on this planet. I know, it's so sad grrrr, I know.

And okay, and I need to point out one thing because it's like a comic thing to the because the like Old Timers are coming the disguise, I'll pink because, like, there's a folding happening. And, so, the whole, the Hues in this scene, are purpley, pinky. I have to point out that when KJ and Mack have their, like, kiss on the rooftop in the comics,

that's the color scheme that's happening. and I love that, it's like, The opposite of what's kind of and like that scene to in the comics is when Matt like kgs already on board with being gay in Madison Avenue, say about that scene. Sure. You want to say it? No, I just I don't understand that scene in the comics. Oh, I can tell. Yeah, okay, I took me a while to but um, it basically, what's happening in the comics is like,

okay. So I'll just tell the whole thing because it makes more sense kjb. So they sees a vision of the future where they're kissing on the rooftop and it's got this purpley Hue of the, it's a very distinct like back. Ground and she eventually her and Mac end up together and going after the cancer treatment and they're on the rooftop, in the sky doesn't look purpley pink, but kg recognizes the rooftop. She's like, oh fuck and Max like what's wrong?

And she tells her like hey so I had this vision of us being romantic on this rooftop and Mac responds with homophobia, because Mac has a lot of internalized homophobia. And it's like, there's no way that's gross. Keep that shit to yourself. But then they go through this whole thing where, like, they're trying to get the cure for her cancer. They find out. There's not like KJ holds a knife to a doctor's neck.

Like like is like going at, like, trying does everything in her power to try and save Mac and Mac Witnesses this. And then when they get on the rooftop later, Basically Mac has her realization about KJ that's what's happening internally.

And so she says the line, like I fit the line where she's basically like is this where you saw it and cages like yeah, this is where I saw like us kissing and then she says, well, I guess it's going to happen kind of thing because Mac has her realization about KJ right before it happens. And then kisses her because, like, I didn't I didn't catch the realization because it just seems like okay. Oh, yeah, Mr. And then, and then cages like my girlfriend, I'm

like that. She's such a lesbian because, like, that's your, she was immediately. She's like my girlfriend. And it's like, you kissed. Her once had no conversation about this. Yeah, exactly. Like she's the gayest and the kind of seems like Matt kiss her just because it was supposed to happen, right? That's what it's like and that's how I read it the first time and I'm like that, so weird.

But like, if you take into contact, what happened at me like before that, like, all this shit that KJ went through just for her like mac is realizing what they're having in this conversation and I think that's what they're trying. Linked with the color scheme. It's like this is the same conversation but they're actually saying these things out loud or Max like yeah, thank you for being you like and you for caring about me and like comforting me and all that

stuff. And so she sees the KJ cares and like that's a good thing. Yeah. So but in the show KJ's having her oh shit, I like her moment, whereas in the comics when this happens, it's Mac having her. Oh shit. I like her moment like kind of thing. But there's more, there's more homophobia from Mac. In the comic that complicates it that we don't really get in the show which kind of cool with but maybe that's season two because they really haven't talked about

those. Yeah, but yeah, I just wanted to know what would happen. I mean we all want to know what happens. No but like even if like we don't I mean we need. I'm sorry. Can you tell? I'm getting really tired. Like if for some reason, never mind. All right, so the last part of this is like in the house.

So okay so again kg like beats herself up after like the rejection piece and finally I think Matt goes inside and see his Pirates and it's like oh fuck and then kg storms after her to like I think tell her because she's like, hey, like she comes in and says, hey, Mac and then like it gets cut off by Pirates being the twat block. Do you, what do you guys think

KJ was gonna say? Like, because she seemed like, I feel like she was gonna be like, fucking any teller and was gonna go tell her and then I mean I think she wants to tell her. She is. You're welcome, it's literally in my nose. I mean that was my assumption that she was about to tell her. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Which I wanted that seen pyrus But what I want that seeing? Yes I want that scene.

But this whole scene super cute too because like pyrus is this big intimidating presence and like KJ's first instinct when she realizes what's happening is to position herself. So she's like in this defensive stats stance with Mac behind her and she doesn't the whole rest of the episode with these guys. And it's you you it's so cute but take my lady. Yeah. But it's so sad though because like, mac is just over everything because she feels

betrayed by k.j. a minute ago. And then just like is like, here's one, we came from like erase our brains. I can't take this anymore. It's just so sad. It's so sad. Yeah. She's like, you want it. I think she takes a person like wow, you want to forget me? Like wow. Yeah, I thought we were making progress. All right, then after this this is just like the end of the episode. So that's kind of like the end

of like they're skiing's. Now, we'll just go to the end of the episode, the end of the sewed with like grandfather showing up. First of all, this is actor. Okay. This actor I can't take him seriously because he's too much I couldn't even I can tell you is that when good place was supposed to come up. Yes Eric thank you. We all I saw you're fired. Sighs dress him differently. I might oh okay. So I was like, why is he dressed like that?

That's how he's dressed in the comics honestly, like they. Yeah, don't get it. But yeah, but this particular guy in like that announcement, that to like, yes, he is so good at it. They like not just see these people and then draw them, we need to ask Yes, I need to ask Cliff this. Yes, on out already. Oh my God. But yeah, seriously, I can't take this man, seriously. And but yeah, this is I'm Derek,

but this scene is sad too. Because just like, again KJ, it just Mac asking for her just like brain to be scrubbed, but I love it. The scene 2, because we get the first like, mac drops. The nickname cage in the scene, which is from the books are the comics and it's super cute because, like, again, it's KJ like they're like, okay, we're gonna go back to the past and he's like, wait a minute. Can we go to the Future? Because she has cancer and I

want to save her life. And it's like, She calls her cage was really, really fucking cute. Is that how you're supposed to read it? I thought they were just like spilling out KJ. No. She says cage like it's in. Yeah. That's they write it in the book to cage. It's cute. Yeah. But um, any more about the back and like KJ stuff in that scene because if that will go to like the end because I know Kaitlyn has a rant. All right, let's go, let's go. We're ready.

Okay, last thing that lets thing about Mac towards the end is like, okay, when they get in the house and they're all the girls are in the basement. I love that Mac. Finally, like tells everybody. What's going on about her like this? Like, the ultimate character growth for her like it took her a while to tell KJ. And then she just tells everybody and it's really, really sweet. So I love that character growth from Mac and will come back to the scene in a minute like

later. But for now, I just wanted to highlight that and the fact that when they're leaving the house, so they make the decision to like go out together, kg like leads the group. Like, she's the big Brave one, like leading them out, and Max stops them to tell everybody. Like, I don't want to forget you guys.

Look at what did you get to the point where she can like, be honest with everybody and like, they reciprocate and I like, we don't want to forget you to. And, and I think 2kj that's like the apology that like, hey, like I didn't really want to forget you like I was scared and just wanted to be done with this and then KJ asked her full circle. Do you want to come to my bat mitzvah? And then because there's other people she's like I need you guys to all of you obviously.

I just love it. She's like you come to end everyone also to the but Mitzvah and nmac gives gives her that she's like, yeah, we'll go. And then she's like, but I'm not wearing a fucking dressed and I just love it. All right, I love them. I love it so much. And then the end. Do you want me to explain the end? Or do you want to just like rant about the end Caitlin? I put it in here just for you? The end. Well, I had the end of the comics is the one that pissed me off the most.

Oh, okay, so oh yeah. Okay. So Yeah, we can run home and what is the end of the show? Basically the end of the show is just like just where the clip by Caitlin where the Cliffhanger leaves us. So like Pirates and so Pirates. Okay pirate patches this plan to send them to another time because she's over the time War. She's like, Fuck this. I lost my brother, I'm tired. And when she learns that Tiffany is Tiffany quilt, and she's like

cool. If I send you to a specific part in time, you can stop all of this. Because you're part of the reason we're in this mess because you quote-unquote invent time, travel. And basically KJ, she like, gives them the pod that's going

to send them somewhere. She's like, you got two minutes to run this pod, because drama and kg hesitates and tells Pirates. I'm sorry for killing your brother like, and it's really cute because Pirates was like, look, I understand it wasn't really your fault and I was she tries to like be like I get it kid just go but then chaos ensues and sheep Iris ends up getting shot. And then Aaron runs out of the Pod with the medic.

Bugs and tries to save her life and like the clock is ticking this whole time and there's all this chaos and what ends up happening in the end is that Mac and KJ, get trapped in the Pod because kgs and athlete. Matt, never Mac never left the Pod. She Sprint's back to the Pod and the other two are like scrambling. And it's just really sad scene where they like the, the four of them. Like finally are like, yes, we're a team and then they get divided the very end, and then

Mac and KJ, get sent somewhere. Where the fuck you think? Oh, where do they go? When they all have their hands on the glass, Justin. Hey, Jay and Max hands are on top of each other, you know, so cute. It's so cute. I'm gonna, it's so cute. A bitch, the bus the bubble, I hated that fucking entire saying, that's what I mean. I hate it. Hot. I just like the hey it's okay if your hands with you do not even care about the hands. I'm like okay, it is dumb. I agree.

Okay, and then every night. Aaron and Tiffany go to 1950 and that's the end. So, okay, Jacob, where did they go? Where did they go? Where did they go? I don't, I need a season 2 to know where they went because they don't end up in 1950 like Tiffany and earring. See where the other to go, but we don't get them. Like, why what I mean, I understand that like, Tiffany is like part of the reason for like why are they more important than the other two?

I don't think that's the issue. I think what happened was when the original pod was like getting sent like the other old-timer people come in and one of them started messing with the controls. So I think they send them somewhere. They weren't supposed to even go. I'm assuming they're going to go to the far past judge, you? No, I just mean why did we Get to see them, but not the I don't, I don't know.

Maybe that's the part that I have an issue and I think maybe the writers haven't decided, where they go, and that's where they're like, well, Drew show these guys maybe. But yeah, I'm mad, too. I want to know, are they okay? Maybe they get sent to wented same-sex marriage. Get legalized. Maybe they send them to that, and I great. Okay, what's your favorite? That whole scene was dumb to me, like stop it. Colourful, child decisions, stop beating on the stupid glass,

like that's a don't do that. It's futile. It's a kid move. There are 12. They're sad that they're getting separate, Darren, okay. To be fair to be fair every to your point, aren't there buttons inside that they could be Doesn't that have to be controls on the inside, right? Like, because it's the Pod has to go back of it. You think that they would build these pods without an emergency cancel from the inside?

Boy, don't know how to work it. They've never seen that is children, why don't you listen - big red button. Maybe it was a big blue button, okay, bro, it's pretty even from Scott, you don't hear me. This red button is bad. Also Larry yelled at her when she tried to press it once. For sure, maybe do something. I don't know. I hate it. All right. I just wanted I just want to know more. I mean, obviously we all do. But like I just if we don't get anything, I just want to at least know.

Where did they just give me? Where the hell they went? Just answer questions. I need answers. All right, Kaitlyn. So, what did you hate about the comic ending? I just I don't, I can't spoil that. It was Some Marvel movie and I don't want to spoil it for people because people would kill me but what it was Jeannine, he's an already out. Yeah. Well then why the hell would you not spoiling and you're not spoiling it? Oh well I mean I don't know people keep people are crazy.

No yeah, fuck them. Save your spoiler for insert Marvel movie skip. 30 seconds ahead if you don't want the spoiler. Yeah and if you're right I wash it by now your don't. You don't hear that much about Marvel. Yeah. Go ahead boiler friend, the last Spider-Man movie, where will

they go? They don't remember each other, like all the friends, don't remember each other and because They don't remember who Spider-Man is and I just hate it because like, they were so close and then you just wipe the entire storyline and so they send the four of them back to their time. And they're like you'll have dreams about it, but you'll forget it immediately when you wake up and I just like it. So she's freaking stupid because they met each other who they are.

And then, and then they go and do the first scene of like the first paper. I'm like, oh, that's how they got it. So, they did the ending. Beginning of the show. Yeah, they did. Yeah, but I'm not done yet. Okay, because I'm really pissed about this. And then because they're just like, they're just pretending like they don't know each other, like how they did in the first thing, the Matt calls her.

What Tanya and I just they were still getting close and you know, kju Mac they needed to be together and I know she's gonna end up with Lauren but like I just don't understand like I don't like it. And this is a really is my ring. Aunt. And, and then they, they tribe off. They, they, they they, they go off in the four corners. And I don't like it. But, but, but, but they don't, I don't, I don't think there's any reasoning with her right now. No, no.

Don't you? Let us know when you're done. Caitlin is Corner rant. Go Flip the page that is blank and then gets the next one. Inherits little spoiler alert for the end of the book and then you just screw it. I threw it out there, they don't remember each other, their brains get wiped. There's like, puppy. We know we can ride together till then to like sure what the hell. Okay, well, there's no. Every one of the oars readers feels like, that's the end of the

comics. Yeah. Okay. And like there's nothing like what happened Well, the implication is that, okay?

So there's interference by a time traveler that nudges Aaron into doing that where she's like, hey guys, let's ride together because they don't do that in the original timeline, they explained it in the show and the books, they part ways and they never see each other again after held a. But here, they don't like cuz remember Aaron is the glue like Aaron's, the one who keeps them all together. So, like the fact that Aaron's like, hey guys, let's do this.

That's an implication that they will stay friends. Like that's the that's what's being a Applied like their future actually is going to change? Yeah. Also I kind of wish they'd put worry innit. I know that's why, that's why I'm wondering, okay, yes, boiler. I'm wondering if KJ and Mac are going to the prehistoric past and that is gonna play out because remember, they were in the comments there alone together in that hole.

Oh, yeah, period. That's what someone was messing with it. And I wonder if they accidentally go there AJ in it, the whole time of KJ. Exactly if she was like somewhere else, I would have been upset but yeah. Anyway, that's okay. But I will say one thing about the end and the comics, that's tragic and sad. And just, I love cigarette. No, the, the Bat Mitzvah. The Bat Mitzvah.

So, we do get the buck misbah. Ok, so yeah, in the last episode of the show, The the exchange for like, fixing the timeline is that these girls get their memories erased and they go back to their time, which ends up happening. It's the inevitability of all those really, and So after it happens, they have these like residual dreams.

Of like stuff and they wake up and it's held a and and then like, basically it picks up where the comics first started kind of, but now they've memories have been erased on stuff kgs, dream is a joint drain. She's having with mac and it's her, but Mitzvah she's in the dress and Mac goes and they do flirting. And then at some point KJ, recognizes this is a dream and it's going to end and she's like, With me, like it's so cute and she coaxes Mac and to slow dancing.

And this is really sweet moment between the two of them. And as it's like ending, like basically, we almost get like, the I love you from the two of them, and then they wake up and it's sad because of all of that, but also cages like fall, but it's awful. But also like KJ. They all end up oversleeping kg / sleeps because her mom is like, hey, you looked like you were having like the best dream ever. And I didn't want to wake you

up, which how and Then Mac her. Brother's wakes her up and he's like, you're oversleeping. What the hell. And then calls, her makes fun of her and calls her Butch for her jacket. So it's like she just had this dream about KJ and then she's getting the home of a, it's just that's their situation like yeah, it's just yeah, I just sucks. It's, but it's cute. Like, they get the Bat Mitzvah seen that, any? Yeah. But it's the center spot submits

for scene at the end. I know, but it's sad but maybe their future each is to say she doesn't Care. I know. I like it because it's real. But also, I love Lauren so I'm I'm cool. That's where I'm torn. Where I'm like, I hate it but Lauren I think you learn but Lauren wouldn't happen is Lauren. I'm sorry, I'm not a matte cage a shipper. I know. I think they're cute but I want kg that. The thing is we just did the gayness. I think that's why we all like caging that to get things.

You just want the game. I don't want them to get together. I like KJ's Journey with me. A quill realizing who she is. I like that part. I like that part. One them to have the romantically Parts. I just also the Childers. Yeah, the weird. I want KJ College. Yeah. Can we have caged in college, a college. Let's just, let's just we got them. They're very cute. Yeah. But it's not. It's pretty. Hey, we're greedy, we're greedy hose. Yeah, we're greedy, little gaze,

pretty little guys. Okay, last part of this, that will get it jump. Really really quickly. So this can be just one episode of what can be done? All right, who now we've concluded, all the gay stuff. I just want to like conclude our talk about paper rose by just talking about some themes that they had in the show that I think they did really, really well. And that stood out to me and Huh.

Okay. And one of those themes that really stuck out was the way they accurately depict the dark side of the 80s because in a time where like stranger things is like a Big Show and it's always like, oh, look at how Progressive the 80s was and wasn't the 80s, really cool. I like that. They don't do that here. They're like yeah it was fine or whatever but there's also bad

shit that happens. Like remember this wasn't that far go in the past bad shit was still happening like mac, the latchkey kid who has like No Parental supervision Asian like accurately showing what Gen-X was like as kids their first instinct, when all of this shit is happening in the first episode is you see their Trauma from the Cold War like they think? Oh, purple sky. It's a nuclear bomb. Let's get Duck and Cover.

Like you hear the word Duck and Cover from Tiff because they had nuclear bomb drills like and caging freaks out. She's like don't even say that like again these are kids traumatized from the Cold War like and that was so real. Like that would have been a very real reaction from a Gen-X kid. The time and the xenophobia, the way they did not shy away from that, and it can show was amazing.

And I think this is the big Touch of realism that like strangers things like kind of avoids, like the bigotry and the homophobia, that happens here. Like it happens in the very first encounter we have, we're like, Aaron is like tossing the paper, she gives it to the wrong person, and the guy comes out and calls her a thief, and a JAP, and all this stuff. And she's like, I'm Chinese, but, like Tiffany, who is experienced this before. It comes in and saves her.

And she's like, hey, a quarter isn't worth getting killed by bigoted, again, it's so sad that she says it's a matter of fact, but like that's right. That was reality at the time, you know, and the other one, I really loved.

It's so heartbreaking is Aaron's Halloween story where they're riding and they're talking about their Halloween costumes and Aaron's. Like, I mean, I only participated once and, and she's like she starts to kind of like tell the truth that like, well, you know, my mom didn't really last participate because she thought it was dangerous for us

to go out at night. And, and because we weren't like we weren't and she Trails off, but and she's going to say like, we weren't white, so it was scary, but she doesn't say that and it's just scare. It's sad, that that's like that was like, kids experience for her first Halloween and, you know, and how the neighbors hate her mom. Because of her English point out that Max stop trick-or-treating at 3:00, no one to take her. What she thought of a Dylan

Dylan would have taken her. I mean, they seem to have similar friends but also yeah, it's true. He was bullying her to your right, especially in the car. Yeah, that, yeah, it's much more blatant in the comics that he bullied her. Yeah, I know. It's really sad. I also have to point out that KJ, the lesbian is, like, I was a hockey player, I was Wayne Gretzky, I love her because she's okay, she's the best.

And then, I have to point out that the anti-semitic slurs from KJ that KJ experience is start with Mac, after he ends up saving KJ from those creepy teenagers and you hear the teenagers making fun of kg they're like KJ KJ Randleman Bank. Like again like she just gets all this stuff thrown at her for like being Jewish and stuff and like it's just in one cage. He's defending herself in that

scene. It's so like void of emotion because like she here like these kids are kids but they get all this bigotry thrown at them a lot like their 12 year old kids and like it's really really sad. And just you know for Max perspective she is very much like repeating what she hears at home about. Like, you know, the Japs are coming from a Dad's job and like where have we heard that before? Like immigrants are coming from your for your job or whatever?

Like it's it was the same shit in the air. These which is a different scapegoat different Boogeyman and like, you know, Jewish people were demonized for like hoarding money and all this stuff. And so, like, Mac or PC, all these dog whistle things.

That our father says, and it's so sad that like, people like her traumatizing, these people that later become her friends because they're different and, you know, it goes to show you that like kids understand like can kids understand bigotry and like bigotry is not innate. It's taught like Matt learn Mac learned it at home, and it was just normal and it just It's

really, really sad like that. That's like reality and but I love that they show that they like hey, the 80s were fucked up to, you know, it wasn't all just like, you know, back in the, my day things were better. Like they don't shy away from that in a kids show. And I like that, especially in the era of stranger things where they don't do that, you know. all right, and then I sorry. You said I agree. Yeah. It was a little. Yeah, it's very real. I agree.

It's very grounded and like what life is kind of like back them and the biggest theme I think that happens in this show and it's used as a metaphor through the time, War stuff is just generation Warfare like older generation versus younger generation. That's really what the time war is. I think it's a it's a metaphor because if you think about it the good guys are the stf The Standard Time Fighters and they're like teenagers, they're

the youth, right? Like pyrus in the last episode, describes them as terrorists who landed in her time and claimed that everyone was guilty of making the future that they came from. It isn't that like the younger Generations who get screwed by the older Generations know like you guys were all complicit in this and now we're fucked because you fucked it up and then the old watch they call him the old wash in the show but they're called The Old Timers in. Comics because this is

generational stuff. They're basically all older people and their mission is to maintain what's happening because as Larry points out, he's like, they're the ones in power, so they have an incentive to keep things going the way they are, because they benefit from this, and that's like Boomers versus Gen X gen Z Millennials. That's the struggle were in. Right now, they're telling it through this time War, how there's like Larry's, like oh, there's like power. There's like wage disparities.

There's no resources and it's all because of this stuff. It's being perpetuated and maintained by the old timers. And it's like, Again, grounding stuff in reality through a Time War. That's just youth versus older Generations. It's like liberal thinking versus conservative thinking and in the, for the older generation are like, well, you can't, you can't mess with the past. Like things are good now, but the younger generation is like,

no, no, we're going to make. We're going to get rid of all the bad stuff and make things better. But there's like good and bad to both of those mentalities. And what we ultimately see is that like those two kind of ideas, kind of need to coexist to keep things in balance a bit because and that's why their dick trapped in this never-ending cycle because ultimately, like one will not win versus the other, they just keep like balancing each other

out. Anyway. So, I love that. Because it's very timely to where we're at right now and the, the metaphor they use for. It is the mixtape metaphor in like, when when they talk to grandfather, And I just, I love that because he's like, yeah, you know, the original is the best, it's the best.

When you start messing with the original, like that's when things get messed up and, like, eventually everything falls apart and it's just like this metaphor for like, well, you can't change stuff, but like that mentality has so much hypocrisy attached to it all the time, and I love the exchange later that KJ has with grandfather. Where she basically is like, okay, you guys are all about.

You can't kill. You can't like mess with timelines, but she's like, in the first episode we watched pyrus kill a bunch of people and she's like, where did those people important in their timeline? So why is it cool for you to break the rules? Like you tell us, you tell us we can't break the rules but you're breaking the rules, like again, isn't that always true of the people in power, create a bunch of rules and then they actually secretly break all the rules that they impose on everybody

else and looks okay. Jeez pointing out this hypocrisy that always happens in these. And then grandfather's like, well, I don't make the rules. Like they're not my rules, like the rules. The rules have always been here. I'm just following the way things have always been. Yeah. When you get called out, you just you don't take responsibility, right? And the cages, like wait a minute. If you're not in charge, like who the fuck is in charge then and he's like, I don't know. Everything.

Just happens for a reason. Like, it's just like cop. There is no taking responsibility for the bad shit that like the status quo is doing, and I love when he says everything happens for a reason, and KJ has his awesome line where she's like, I don't believe that. That, I believe, people say that to absolve themselves of responsibility but we make choices and if you can stop bad things from happening you have to try and like what a fuck

about your KJ's 12, right? She's wise Beyond her years while she was sleeping at school and she's the oldest actor in the show. But I don't think she has a lot of time to think about. I agree. I think she strikes me as the type of hurt, like I really do.

Because I feel like she's The Quiet One, just observes things and then like thinks about it and then like Jane Austen, who just sits back and watches everything and kind of season through silence and she sees their parents going through all of these motions stuff. So she signed it, it's just yeah, one of her face. She's lived it. That's how her mom's imposing all this shit on her. She's like this, it's just tradition.

This is the way it always is. To absolve themselves of like, the responsibility that her mom is making her miserable by doing this. Like she's lived this heard that before. Yeah. Exactly. So I love that because it's so

true. Yeah. And then one of the biggest themes I love in this show is just the found family aspect which at the end the four of them even though they're all clearly very different through this kind of shared experience with each other they they see each other with their worst and Inform this really this family with each other and it culminates, when they're trapped in Larry's basement at the end and they have this Choice like

what do we do and mac and cage are kind of like, hey, they saw us. So we'll go you guys escape and live and then they ultimately decide. Like no, we started this together. We're in this together. Like we're paper girls. We stick together. We're not going to change that now. And like even when they get in like the ship later and Paris is like I'm taking Tiffany, they're like no, you're not. No, you're not, you're take her.

You can take all of us like it's It's very sweet and I love that and that's very common theme in like, queer media. So I'd love that here. It wasn't just like the queer people. Forming a family is like all of them doing that and it was just it's very cute to see that with like younger kids like being able to form families with each other that are strong. I didn't really have great ones. Did we talk about the older versus younger Generations? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Did you have any question?

Sure? What was your younger self? Think of you now? Well, how young am I my 12 year? Olds up? I have someone who like the, your younger self, who's dreaming of the future? Yeah, my airsoft be like what the fuck happened? Probably, what the fuck happened? Yeah, my end result would be Kate. I would have cage a storyline like that would be it'd be like what happened. Like this is not, this is not what you're supposed to be doing. Yeah, same. Yeah.

Okay, what about you? I probably be impressed that weird. I was able to get a car at 20, like a new car and yeah, I'd be very impressed with that and traveling. Yeah, for sure there's a lot of things that I never thought I'd be. Then also still living at home. You got a little blurry on your camera. It might just be the record. Maybe some Wi-Fi. I'm sorry, sorry. Sorry, please jump Camp. Oh actually along the lines of like the younger younger generational thing.

One thing I really love in the story is the way they tell this theme of like expectation vs reality. Through the lens of like younger. Selves meeting old ourselves. this was so clever and I thought was very clever use of time travel to like tell these kind of characters stories like I love that. It's a common thing for every single character in this story. And it's so interesting to see us.

I'm glad you asked that because like, some people like they show on the show react differently to seeing their future selves than others like Tiffany's like, yeah, this makes sense. This is cool. Aaron's like what the fuck happened to me cages? Like, how did this happen? Mac. It's this horrible. Like so like learning about your future has to be like the weirdest thing ever. And it's like I feel like you wouldn't know how you'd react to it and it's a cool thing to

explore like a narrative. Plea. Because like again the expectation as a kid was like, oh my life's going to be great and look like this and then when you see it you're like really this is reality. I feel like part of myself and be like really proud of myself and the other part is like we're still doing with right? Exactly. Like it's just it's never going to be what you expect, you know that age.

I'm like still going through some of the stuff that I went through then and I'm just like when is it ever going to be over? Yeah, totally and so it would depend on like how young are you when you meet your older self? How old are you as your older self? And like it could. So if that scenario, there's infinite possibilities. So it's a very fun writing

scheme. And last piece I want to talk about is the representation of girls becoming women and so the last thing I want to talk about before we wrap this all up is the period scene because is there anything more real as a woman than like getting your first period in the middle of the time War? It's so fucking real and this. Okay, so this is a thing they talked about in the comics but it happens completely differently so it actually

happens. KJ when her Mac or like alone in the prehistoric time versus like this scene, they devised for the show which I fucking love and I think this is way better. So it happens to Aaron and all four of them are together and they have to navigate this by themselves and clearly nobody has any knowledge of what to do. Like, there's clearly. No sex ed happening in any of these schools. Nobody has talked about this at home and they're just trying to

navigate it together. And it's just, I've never seen anything like this either, and it's like it's a good thing. It's like, Talk about this, make it normal. And it's so, like, it's funny like picked Aaron though. I don't know why they pick Aaron. I think Aaron was a great choice because she's kind of feel like personality why she's kind of in the middle. Where's like because like how does it play out like Tiffany's? The know-it-all who's like, let's just read the instructions

versus MAC. Who's like? Yeah, I know what I'm talking about and has no idea what she's talking about and kg who's just like what the fuck is happening? How'd he get it out? How do you get it? It out like but like everything that happens in the scene is so real and funny. And so I just I love it. Whoever came up with this kudos to you, it's an amazing fucking scene. I just, I love it.

I have the opposite. I was like I mean like I get why it's a great saying but I was like I don't I don't want it can we not? I love it. So the theme of these four episodes is Brie has the opposite opinion and it's not about the heck that it's the period. It's the the fact that I'm like my Tiffany brain comes out microcrystalline chance. I figured. Well let's talk about Nobody knows what they're talking about at one point. They're just like horses can cause periods.

And Tiffany's like, yeah, that's true. I'd like because like she's trying to be the know-it-all and feel like nobody knows what's going on. Because her age, I knew what was going on Italy. Y'all, it's so moaning. Well, I don't think there was sex ed at all in these schools. I didn't have sex at a 12. I know there are also 12. What would Age look? Great is 12. Well, it's 1989 ig-88, idiot. Yeah, I'm really things. Weren't was, was sex, ed allowed in American schools at that time.

I thought that was newer. Hmm, I might be wrong. I have no, I had sex ed in. I had that as a component of a health class. Yeah, yeah. I had it in elementary school. That's good. Good. We should be having this conversation. Is they didn't teach you dumb stuff, right. Exactly. Which like horses can cause periods. And like, but again like they're just they can't that it's just hilarious. They just they don't nobody knows what's going on and poor and it's happening to poor Erin.

And she's like, it's timely saying that my that my feelings of you point is not like not dumb, but like Like I get that. It's just my irrational, feelings towards the scene where I'm like, okay. Like I told you yesterday, I just could have done without it personally. Why wasn't? It was kind of just random. I don't know, I just felt like it. Like I feel like we need to have those conversations but I just didn't like the scene. I just finished.

It would have been better. Yeah, in general, please give us more scenes of like women being women like, yeah. This kind of stuff should be shown. Like it should be normal. He's likely. I appreciate that about it a lot and it's like this weird scenario where they have to bond over it all. Also. But yeah, that was neat like it's bonding was cool. Exactly. Exactly. I enjoy it and they didn't make it gross or like it could have been gross and they did it.

They just Handle it in a very kid-friendly way which I liked what I do like is when Max gets the tampon shoved in her nose later. I also love that. I enjoy that chefs. Gets to that. I love when she says, I'll just get you a diaper. Yeah, yeah, the end of it. Yes, I'm just getting you the man. I think. Okay, so a my brain. It's like, I like that the scene happened. I just don't want to watch it if that makes sense. That's fair, it's okay, it's okay. Alright, thank you for sharing.

I'm sure there are some people who are uncomfortable, didn't like it either in this, like I said, it's not about the period thing because I think that we should absolutely talk about it and that it's dumb that people I do that at work to my boss when, when he makes misogynistic jokes, be not because he only makes them because he knows that it will mess with me, of course, and actually believe, like, I believe in the joke but I'm like

that was not necessary. So I'm going to do something that's not Necessary to you and that's me talking about my period in detail bitch beautiful. I love that. Normalize it through, pensions normalize it through Vengeance that and that's one of our friends and that's a fan out and this is a great segue not at all into. What were your overall likes and dislikes for the episode for this.

Not episode for this whole palette paper, girls overall likes and dislikes and Lauren all Tiffany with younger Tiffany. Oh yes. I love Lauren. I could I like the metaphor of the time travel thing in the The Meta moment of it. I just thought that it was sloppy personally and because of reasons Like having to do so much and so little. Yeah. Hi, I'm totally most of this Like 700-page Comics was done an eight-episode. Yeah, it's insane. It is insane.

The, what they fit in but it just didn't work for me. Like, okay, it didn't capture me to the point where I was watching it. I wanted to watch episode after episode after episode, I had to break them up because we're doing it for the podcast. And then I had to like sit down and make myself Watch the episodes. And then there were Parts. I really liked and parts.

I was just like Yeah, and if I have to freaking grandfather, was the one thing I didn't like, every time he showed up in the comics, I was like, oh, I know, I hate him in the comics. He's so annoying no matter what. But yeah, like, I get where I get sort of why you're here. I get why you're here. But you're just so fucking annoying. Yeah, I totally agree with that and I agree with all of your

likes. I think I like using the time travel as a way to tell the stories between the characters like younger selves old ourselves. I really enjoy that. I thought it was very allowed for clever storytelling. That's the thing. I love the most KJ and particular all the Lauren stuff. The thing I dislike Is Larry with you there. I don't really like there either. I don't like him and he, I have okay.

I don't understand what the hell happens with Larry, having read the comic books because it was Larry in the comics books. No, he's a new character. This is why I'm confused because Larry the premise at the end is like, Hey, we're trapped in a Time Loop. The events of the past or triggering. What's the future is? Triggering the past? Explain to me how we watch Larry. Died in 2019. Then we go to 1999 and he dies again. How the fuck did that happen? I don't understand that.

Then how do we have Larry in 2019? Giving them a robot if he dies in 1999. It just bothers me what the fuck happened there, because in the comics, they have like genetic duplicates that are happening. But like Larry, admits that like when they meet him in 1999. He's like, I just joined this and he's not from the future like he's from this timeline. So I don't understand what that was about in the show. So I don't like him because he what the hell is happening there?

And then I have a question from Julie who never has questioned, my wife who never has questions about television, anything that I I watch. Hello, Julie. Okay, she has a question because I made her watch some of us. And then she was like, I don't want to watch this anymore because she doesn't like sci-fi shit. But anyway, she was like, okay? So in Larry's farm when were there in 2019 The cars are driving up the driveway, and when they approached the farm, he's got the spikes, right?

That stopped the cars and Julie's like, why the fuck aren't those further up? The driveway, his driveway is like two miles but he puts it right by the house and she's like, why is that further down that? They have to walk farther. Why would that's not an effective defense mechanism and things Larry's dumb? So and also, I think the what do you needed to do instead? Ted was to make several like, what the hell.

Yeah, exactly very ineffective. He's you go on the grass and go around it. If they know if they know it's there, it's almost there but also get like what? That was just, you see it? That was donated. Multiple. No. No, no because nothing to driving right before your drive. Yeah, motion sensored. Yeah. You know, put some multiple times but it's just, it's a lot. Larry is dumb is on thing. That bothers me. He's an adult. I do feel bad for Larry when Aaron's beat him up what's-her-face.

Oh Fuck his like girlfriend, kind of that he gets we have to. Yeah. Yeah, and didn't care about that. I didn't either. That's awesome. Alright, so now that we've gone through this as a whole, for those of us that. So if you've made it this far into the episodes, thank you. If you've listened to us before typically at the end of our episodes, we would do a big which energy board thing. But we're not doing that anymore because we are no longer big

which energy. So instead of retiring that entirely we're converting our new rating system to the, how much would you hydrate for? Jesus question. And so, this is a rating scale where we essentially will say, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much would we hydrate? How many cups of water would be hydrate from lesbian Jesus? So, how gay was this episode, in our opinion? Who wants to go first? I would have. Two Peach Snapple 's for this episode. I thought we were going with the numbers.

Yeah. One out of ten to so 22-piece Snapples. Okay, fine. I gave it 4 p. H tuples. Okay. Feel like the whole show overall force. Difficult. Because I really love this. Like, are we saying like how gay it was or how we felt about it? That's basically what we're saying with this hydration scale. That's yeah, how much did you like it? That's okay. Alright. Okay. I'll give it a 7 me too.

Here's why I give it five glasses of water for lesbian Jesus, because of Lauren, like Lauren herself. Just gets five glasses, like everything about her speech. Her existence, she just gets five glasses of water for me and then the rest of it is really because I love the way they KJ storyline is like basically the other two because we KJ

storyline. She's yeah, well yes, I think her story line was told so Dudley well and we it just that's what really struck me about this piece of media was just, I've never seen a queer storyline presented like that before in a way that felt so organic and real and naturally paste and just and the show itself it just it wasn't centered around homophobia or like the conflict of the show wasn't about being gay and like the out you know the backlash of kjb. Being gay.

It was just her processing it and then realizing it. And I've never seen that story ever, really, told like this before, and just I thought it was a unique. So it gets extra points just for being unique, but like the Lauren stuff. Hi. Well, that's basically the end of the episode. So after timing Caitlin, I'd like to point out that I gave it for peach topples, out of 10, because of Lauren and KJ, that's

yeah. Basically, I'm just like, I love that movie scene and the scene in the bedroom so much that I was like, I couldn't get any lower but I couldn't give it any higher because it's not enough gay. Yes, agreed yeah. Yep. We're on the same pot, Snapples taken away for things. Totally, was it Larry one of the things that it got Snapples taken away? Could you tell Bree obviously, and father grandfather, some things that Mack did.

Little area rant about. Yeah, probably Aaron and Lord of Mighty Sea. It would have been more if if they had enough. I'm just going to, I'm just going to stop there. There were a lot of annoying bits but those gay seems really just won my heart over just like in my it for me it's like that's not enough for me. Like I need to enjoy the show as a whole and that wasn't there for me personal. See I don't know II like I'm fine with kids and I'm that person though that watches only

the gay parts of shows. I tried to do that but then like I don't care because I don't know, the characters know I care because it's gay and I love gayness. So if you're on the fence about it, for some reason, you haven't watched paper girls, if you made it through all of this, like a buddy, the gay stuff is very is top tier was what we're saying. The cage a case do is top tier, but if you're any sci-fi, and comics and stuff, check out the rest of it.

Yeah, I like sci-fi in comics, but it just wasn't my thing. You know, I love It's totally fine. Jody, like it's like Person of Interest didn't care about the rest of the show. Only watch the gay Parts. Enjoy those same they were top-tier. Sam couldn't tell you anything about that show other than the shoot other than the shoot stuff. That's yep. Yep. Alright and so with that that's been paper girls. Everybody don't worry about a Caitlyn.

We're gonna sign off in a minute, but Caitlyn would you like to announce what our next topic is going to be? Am I capable of? Talking. I hope so. Yes, you are your topic? We Believe idiot. Okay, let me go through the whole episode guys. Yay! Oh my gosh! It's okay, we're gonna go with number 12 but we got it, okay? So, You have heard brain, theorists say that they're tired of the same coming out

storylines. But I also feel like they're very important and like there's some that are very well done. So my next topic, my first, the next episode is going to be all about coming out and the storylines and the representation how it makes you feel. Whew, we made it guys. Thank you for sticking with us. We hope you enjoyed and we will see you next time for are coming

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