Hello and welcome to Big Gay energy. I'm Bree. I'm Fiora and I'm Caitlin come along with us while we dive into the fun and nuances of queer media representation matters. And we're here to talk about it. Welcome back friends. The BGE team has a very special guest today. Please welcome love Bailey. We are so excited to talk to you today. Hi, y'all. Thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate it, especially during the holidays and stuff during Treads.
Giving - holiday, no, we're going to colonize this for our own gender exploration. Good. That's, that's What we should be celebrating honestly. So, looking at your socials, we noticed that you have like projects going on all the time. You're very busy person, which is awesome and we're wondering what projects are you working on
right now? So I'm launching my new music video called horn, Asia, and it's for a single that I wrote during the pandemic, during the Panasonic, the pain Demi Lovato at a time. When I was really going through it with this whole Marilyn Manson thing and we'll get to that. Later. But this is kind of like my feet in Phoenix rising and my claim to like find my empowerment again and to rise up through the
ashes. And I made this really fun horny track and I made a music video it with some of the queers that I love and yeah we're going to launch it next next week or week or so. Something like that. We're going to launch it excited. That's great. That's so exciting.
And so soon what date just in case because because for the people watching and listening, yeah, we don't have a date yet but it's supposed to be on December 11 summer, ate something like Sound well will definitely post whenever yes and Mariano is actually in the music video. Come say hi Molly on. Hello good. Yeah I was part of one of the dancers and I held with Alec or we change this bar into this glamorous. Beautiful place last night club. Yeah.
With like velvet like curtains and sex and yeah, so cool. So we're very professionally. Hey. Yeah, I know. Yeah. It's always. There's always a lot of work behind that in a scene. Yeah, always. So yeah, we're excited to see the how the music video. How it turns out. Yeah so yeah we're excited. They're gonna watch it tonight on the big screen. No, the song is Bomb. Yes, listen to it after this interview. Yeah. How has music impacted your life?
Music is very healing for me. I would say my mother. She was in a rock and roll band before she went to prison and I crawled up in her bass drum, every time I would fall asleep,
I would just call up there. And and that's why Rhythm is a part of me. So I became a dancer because rhythm is like so a part of my soul and I wasn't really able, I was more into fashion and dance and I sort of like found music When I needed to like find my truth and speak my voice and like it was so empowering me to use my voice and to conjure work towards and to tell about talk about my story and my struggles through music and pair that with visuals.
That's where my slowly feels the best. And I really feel the most liberated when I can tell my story through fashion music, dance costume, fantasy, that's kind of my calling to This fucked up planet and sounds like the perfect medium for like everything to kind of come together and just create something beautiful. Yeah, like media and art is such a great outlet for everything. Yeah, we all couldn't connect. We all can relate to something.
That's very true. Well, some of us, you know, that the ones that are shooting down, you know. Okay, nightclubs. Yeah, that is the world we live in. It's all of us would have some sort of outlet to release our pain, to least release our emotions. I feel like the world would be a better place, but unfortunately, we don't want people or the society, the man and, and the government doesn't want you to
have that source of release. And so a lot of people are pent up and frustrated and these religious groups keep pushing these agendas so it's unfortunate but it's more now more than ever these artists, including myself, we have to come together and show people the way by example. So hopefully we can do that. Share the love. Yeah, art has the power to change the world. For sure. I think that's in my Instagram
bio. Is that I think you say that every now and again are there any artists in particular that you draw inspiration from or admire by Caitlin? I am really fond of Zachary Drucker. Zachary Drucker is a trans writer director producer. She produced transparent of film that I was gone and I really admire her. She's very young and she's a Trailblazer in the industry, but as we know, Hollywood isn't really fond of women directors and running the show.
Let alone a trans woman running the show, so it's kind of unheard of what she's able to. Accomplish. So I really admire her and I looked up to her. That's why I try Blazer. Yeah, yeah. So a little topics which from music we love that you created Savage Ranch, can you explain what it is and why it was so important for you to create the space? Well, if we are here. So here are Savage French. I love that staircase. This part.
Yeah, in trans macula. Temecula which I've colonizes trans. Macula is a republican town where there is no gay clubs. There's maybe one Drag Brunch, that happens. It's up, there's a lot of religious groups, it's a wine country. So people come to have a good time so it's not as a repressed as some other places. However the like the core of its values is very patriarchal pick patriarchal.
And Republican. So, needless to say, this is a beacon of light in a town that doesn't really have that does it, this doesn't exist. So when I came here, my mother came here first and she started an animal rescue and she called me up. I was working as a Fashion Stylist in New York and she was like, come home stopped, living
the gypsylifestyle. I bought a house for you up the hill, and I turned it into an artist Sanctuary because this land is also very magical And I felt like it was very important for me to take this privilege that I was blessed with and give it and share it to the ones I love. And it's been a blessing. We've had Raves here which are so much fun and all kinds of art, Gatherings and workshops and artists come and stay in the Bungalows.
We rented out for Airbnb. A space people come and do their photo shoots. So it's just a Mecca of creativity. And when you're on this land, you're in. Spire and you can't help but want to create and sort of relaxes the concrete jungle and you don't you don't think about the problems of the world when you're here in this beautiful place. Hey, I think on Airbnb, I saw a list and everything was just blue. That's the blue room and they
are mostly everything is red. So if you see like this is the red living room and then upstairs. That's my room. So that's all right up there. But the blue room is the guest bedroom, it's so great. That people have a space where they know like fully accepted and safe, especially like traveling and stuff, you'd never know like what could happen and how people will. Out. My mother is a Butch lesbian so you can rest assure that it's the greatest thing you'll ever
see. I love that so much especially in Texas. People need that we actually I mean we're accepting of straight people, but I myself am, you know, I have a lot of Trauma from straight people. Straight people can rip be really mean and cruel to trans people, especially and also to clear people. But so we accept were accepting of all. But you know, if there is any Des or bigotry homophobia. Racism of any kind like that is the door darling.
Get on down the road, honey. So I'm kind of curious so it sounds like I just a safe haven for just like a make sure people artists people who need a safe space. People are vacationing that need to say space or place or there except I like Caitlyn said. So how do people experience the ranch? Like is kind of how that process work. Yeah, I mean Pierce face and owner Airbnb or the two platforms that people like that are just, you know, Outsiders can come experience. I do. Welcome people.
Slide in our GM's on Savage, Ranch on Instagram or love, is Bailey on my Instagram, and I'll give you my email, and then from there, you have to give me a proposal. As to what you want to create, what body of work you want to create why you want to come here, why it's important to you and what you want to leave behind, how you want to see the space to grow and we welcome that sort of energy.
It's not really like people think it's a sex orgy or it's a kalter, all that bullshit and And like while we do you know allow people to explore their sexual desires in you know, consensually of course. It's not that really that's not why I created this space, you know, I want people to have a purpose with whatever their intentions are and to really think about the land and think about their art Beyond just the superficial That's really beautiful.
I really love that. The, what do you want to leave behind? How do you want to impact the space? I love that. How do you want to impact Mother Earth? How do you want to take care of this land when you're gone? Speaking of impact that we have a big big question for you. How big Like now I'll just ask it. So what is your legacy like one or two things that you would want the world to remember about you?
Oh gosh, I I'm a Libra. So I guess the balance of being connected to your inner Savage, your inner wildness, but also your ability to create and manifest and to nurture, and to care for others and to create connectivity. And community and to ignite a flame within someone's Soul, someone who maybe, you know, living as a zombie or, you know, working that 9 to 5 and don't have a sense of purpose.
I helped ignite people's purpose, and on life, and threw me for whatever reason they're able to mirror their own potential. And I want people to achieve their biggest potential and to to find that calling within themselves. So, I hope I'm able to mirror that and others. I feel like we just keep saying I love that but I mean yeah, people do that and that's again that's goes back to like how do you want to?
What do you want to leave behind, like in the world and how do you want to impact the space around? You like that's so beautiful. And a lot of people have trouble tapping into that themselves. So being like a guide to creativity that's really. Yeah. And also like just make wanting to make a difference. Difference. And yeah, positively like with our podcast, our whole goal is to like raise awareness for queer media and just advocate for like more and just create a
safe space for people. So it's always great talking to people who are doing something like that in other spaces as well. We need Rebels with a cause you know, there's like the idea of punk has transformed and now it's like cooler to be, it's more. Punk to be someone who's like, helping advocate for others, and helping save this fucked-up situation.
I think to me that's more Punk than someone who's actively like trying to destroy every system and like, you know we have to like each other and bring people together to help us in this weird transition right now because the world is going through a transition and it's going to be really uncomfortable before it gets better, but we need more forward, thinkers more. Venters more visionaires to come forward, and help us out of this really dark time. So I hope we can all do that. Yes.
Focus on building versus tearing things down. Please cuz some days it just seems so difficult. Even on social media, this idea of cancel culture. Like, everyone thinks there are social Warrior. Everyone thinks they're calling out somebody and holding them accountable and while I, you know, advocate for people to use their voice and I have counseled Marilyn Manson, we all know. It's like there is a time and a place when that is very necessary but as a whole we have taken it too far.
And there are times when I've come out about You know, advocating for Trans people to get the medical surgery, they won all of a sudden, the non-binary community comes out of the woodwork to cancel me. And it's it's strange because it's usually like these cysts men with long hair that are like the new hippies and now they know more about my experience
than I do myself. And so now they're like pointing the finger at me, and I'm a trans woman talking from my own experience, my own lived experience, what I would like to see and how I want to advocate. Wait for that. So we have to, when we're like, the leftist has become so much
more rigid. Now, we have to, like, understand that balance in life, because cancel culture doesn't work if you want to look be a social justice Warrior, go out and vote, go out and like, you know, be the mayor be the person who's in charge of X y&z. Like, go out into these Arenas, where none of us exists, like, that's going to make change versus. Like you talking into a bubble. With people who are get patting you on the back saying oh yeah,
how dare that person do that? Something it's not going to do any change, it's not going to do any good. So that's what I hope for. Like, in terms of cancel colder, I feel like people think there's like a right way and a wrong way and like, but there's like, you know, area around, it kind of like gender in itself. Like, yeah, there's no deviation from that, but That's not realistic.
Gender has become so rigid. Now that it doesn't leave room for exploration, it doesn't make someone who's questioning themselves want to explore because now it's like, oh, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, you know. Yeah. It's like, who Am I? Who am I to say, what your expression is, or who you are? That's not up for my interpretation. That's up for you to figure out.
Yeah, I feel like it's important, like you said, like, to listen to people with, for their experiences, because everyone has a unique experience, a unique journey through life and like, we need to should be listening and not like, rejecting onto other people's experiences, starting to get a little, like angry. Because, I, whatever we talk about these things, I'm just like, could like, it's so frustrating. That's it is it is but we can't be bitter. We're too pretty.
Yeah totally love it. Alright so to segue just a little bit I guess kind of off topic so one of your Instagram posts states that your transition was a radical Act of self-love. Can you tell us a little bit about your journey with that? So in order to transition at least in America Erica. You have to do in yourself, gender dysphoria, can, and it's sort of a backwards way of saying you're crazy, you're cuckoo crazy, and you need this surgery to help you with your cuckoo crazy syndrome.
And I, as much as like, I will sign up for that and I will tell them what they want to hear. So that I can get my free surge at the core of my transition. I don't feel crazy. I don't feel cuckoo. I don't feel delusional. No, I don't feel like I have mental illness because of that, I think my mental illness comes from society. And when people cost me in the Ralph's fucking shopping center for using my designated bathroom, telling me, I need to
use the men's restroom. I'm now having to deal with that rage from that person a costing me. So that's where my mental health is, it's not from my sense of identity. So when I say, my sense of identity is a radical Act of self-love, it is, it's a courage. It's a calling to, To be who I want to be. It's me taking that leap of faith saying this is who I am and to me that's a radical Act of self-love. I love it.
I love it. But thank you for sharing that and I'm sorry, I'm sorry that people do stuff like that because yeah you don't deserve that and nobody does just for granted you, this, we're going pissed. Yeah. For trying to me, God damn it. Oh, my gosh. Well, since we were on the topic of America, what has been your experience been like being Trans in America? Specifically, I know you just talked a little bit about it, but Terrible. Appalling embarrassing, humiliating degrading.
Yeah, but thanks to Obamacare. I have new breasts. Thanks Obama. Thanks Obama great. We love you do. Yeah. So that's my experience. Hopefully. Has been your experience in America you know. Like that's why we have to stay so close to our queer bubbles because that is where I Feel Love. That's where I feel validated protected nourished inspired is
with the angels. I surround myself with however that's not the case when you go into these public spaces where these bigots are just free to do whatever they want and they're inspired to do that because these political leaders are inspiring people. Will to act out, and to be violent and to degrade humans for just their lifestyle choices. Quote, unquote, for just being, for existing for being different, for being not the
status quo. These bigots are running around, you know, killing people, and they're free to do that now because the political propaganda is telling them, it's okay. So that's why it's important for us to come together and to like create more of these queer safe. Bubbles safe havens. No, absolutely, especially when it comes to like, queer Youth and trans kids. And so, if you could give a message to like the trans kids across the world, like, what
would you say to them? Well, first of all me, even speaking on that I'm going to be like, thought I was a groomer, which is so disgusting when all of us have an inner child that we're trying to protect so really, it's not me speaking to another child. It's me speaking to my inner child. And knowing what I would have wanted for myself at a young age. So, for one, we didn't have Heroes growing up.
So I had no one to mirror. What I wanted to be when I was older, so it took me longer to transition and find myself, which is, it's actually, you know, if I had someone, I might have transitioned sooner and it would have been easier. I would have had gone through less surgeries to become the woman, I am today. Now, of course, there's this whole debate, They're like, surgeries are safe and hormones are safe, that's something up to a doctor.
And I hope that license practitioners like understanding the effects in the body and can make those choices. I cannot make that for you, but I can say for myself transitioning, later I had to go through more pain and suffering than if I was to change the effects of hormones that are earlier age. So I hope that you know, me existing and mirroring that can help someone else make their own choices. And decisions. I am not trying to groom anyone into being something that I want
to see. I think it's so ridiculous how they've, you know, they want to make these their children, the scapegoat for everything. But while they're actually doing that, they're like putting children in concentration camps, they're kicking out their kids for their lifestyle choices, making them homeless. So, when we have these holidays, you know, these kids are coming to the ranch. I have to save them, I have to feed them.
I have to Nurture them. I have to take care of them because the parents of bigots who are saying the same things, as you're a groomer, your this have out Caster their children. So if they really cared about kids that much, why are these kids put in concentration camps? Why are they kicking out these why is all the queer youth homeless if they cared so much about their child? So it's the the Hippocratic Oath of it all. That's what I said. It's incredibly frustrating and the cognitive do.
Yeah, this is wild. I'm sorry. You're getting more angry but illness of America. Yeah. But but to your point to like speaking to your like we talked about this on the podcast, all the time when we talk about represent like representation in the different forms and it's always comes down to like well if I had this when I was a kid this will help me like and that's so important. So you know representation really does matter. So Like, thank you for being
representation for. So there's somebody out there who sees you and it's like, oh yeah, some it helps them. It does, it makes a difference and as much as I love like, nurturing children like I myself don't actually want to be near children. So throw your bigots out there that think we're groomers like, please keep your children away from me. I don't want your children running around. I don't want to hear your child
whining. I want to hear you yelling at your children in a public bathroom while I'm trying to take a piss in peace. Please stop. Pop. If you could go back to yourself, like talk to yourself, when you were 10 years old, what would you say or would you give advice or say something about your future? Yeah, I mean, as a child, I was always told that I was never going to amount to anything and I would have to say, like, you know, the pain and struggling
that you are suffering. Now, is only temporary. And if you could only just like, find that inner Flame, Like you'll never be alone and you'll never, you'll always have a place to call home if you find that home within yourself. Oh my God. I wish I was wrong. I was yelling cheese, so good. Yeah, I mean, you know, I is my inner Saboteur, right? Yeah. So everyone out there. Your inner child. Got something for that. It's my did.
Yeah. Okay. So to switch gears I just a little bit, all kind of a lot. Is there something you have in your life that you have that? You can absolutely cannot live without Doesn't have to be a tangible thing. Well, I mean logistically water any. Yes I would have to say music dance fashion glamour, glamour, glamour of my life would be so boring without it, I know. Do you feel like fashion? Like really tells people who you are.
I think fashion is another form of capitalism that's been in, manipulated, in the wrong hands of the wrong people. However, there are Artisans to this day that still work in fashion upholding the idea of fantasy and the idea of dressing for pleasure. The idea of finding your identity through fashion, which is very sacred. So, I do think there are people Artisans that are actively working in that space to change that system.
However, the A fashion makes its money and revenue and how you know every year a company has to keep growing or it's not doing its thing. I think that's system has to be changed because it's really destroying the planet at a rapid
pace. And then fashion is becoming so fleeting instead of like, you know, coveting, a piece and holding that piece in your closet forever and passing it on for Generations. You see, fast-fashion just regurgitating It's for the masses and now ends up in landfill after you've worn it once. So when I was little, I thought you could only wear clothes once because like always heard that on TV for some reason I'd like characters never wear the same outfits.
So yeah, for so long. I thought you could only wear it once. I was like, always embarrassed to wear stuff over and over. It's just the meet society's weird. Yeah, we can also be more creative. Like, we don't know that like, you know, you could take a shirt and sew it together with another shirt, tied around your waist and all of a sudden it's a skirt like we don't know how to do these things because we're not taught DIY anymore. It used to be more punk.
You were like putting studs in your jacket. You're painting this and painting that. And if you had a Converse that was like, fucked up, you just spray painted it and you'd like, give things new life, but we're not teaching people to do that anymore. We're like, I don't know what's going on, like, everything is so capitalism. Yeah, yeah. And I guess that's what it boils down to also, then people lose that connection because like you were saying like fashion is just
it, it loses its essence. When it's just like this thing, you buy and toss away versus like this thing that like can connect you to like who you are and how you feel and things like that. That I feel like it's very Lost in Translation though. It's right. I feel the best personally when I have made my peace or I've put my hands on it in some way I feel is like a spell of Liberation. Yeah.
And I feel so empowered. I feel like I'm on top of the world because I've made that piece because I've sewn it or recreate It it or painted it, or add my flare to it. Suddenly it's a spell of love to myself. So what we need to yours are and they don't want us to use our hands with technology, they don't want us to know that we have this innate power. They want us to rely on these
sources and spend more money. So if we can all just stop doing that and just figure out what craft we can learn or pick up like, we all have the power to do it but for some reason we think that oh, we can't be an artist or we don't have that.
I'm not an artist. I'm not a good this or I'm not a good that and we put our ourselves down instead of trying to discover maybe falling down a few times and feeling stupid, but ultimately finding that little creative spark, like we all have it. So it's silly to say that you're not going to be a good dancer. You're not going to be a good. This it's like who says who? Yeah, I feel like often to it gets Tethered to like making money where it's like it art
does not have to be monetized. Like that's ingrained in us to like it's About like feeling and expressing and just doing it doesn't have to be good. It just I made this like, that's very, that's a, there's no feeling like that. Like I made this thing. It has to feel good to you. At the end of the day, We should all make a picture with macaroni do. I don't know why that's what was in my head, but that's what came out of my mouth. You can cook it and eat it. Yeah, just don't paint it then.
Okay or using. Are you sleeping here? None of that. So basically don't create art. Just throw it in the pot. That's our to. Yes actually. Yeah. Cooking is an art. Yeah, that I really bad at it. Stop telling yourself that. Yeah, Caleb who's true. I'll work on it. Oh really in a pot? That's some wet ass pussy. All right. Thank you for going there. My son's Foghorn, Asia, after all. What you that? Well, we're here for it. I'm a sex siren.
What can I say you? Do you Empower everybody around you? I will only. What are you most proud of in your life? My she knows. No. What am I most proud of? I don't know. There's so many things to be proud of in this world. So many things. I think I'm proud of the fact that I haven't given up when everyone has told me that you're never gonna amount to anything, you're not going to make one. You're not going to become a talented singer.
You're not going to do this. You're not going to be bad in the face of Oppression. I actually rise up and I have not quit. So I'm thankful for that. Yes, resiliency is not an easy thing to do. That is definitely something to be proud of ya. So yeah. Yeah. Is there anything you want people to know about you as a person or as an artist I'm a terrible person and listen to what you hear. Now, I don't know, I think you've got a sense of who I am, you know.
I'm also not Mother Teresa. So don't take this and think I'm like, the perfect person. You know, I go through some shit. That's why I have a therapist we're working on cognitive therapy right now. Yes therapy. Yeah, no, I definitely have my mood swings. And we all do, we all go through some shit. So you know, pick yourself back up when you fall down and you know that will Define your character is like how fast you can get back up. Absolutely. Well, that is the conclusion of
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