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BIG FACTS REWIND: A Conversation w/ KILLER MIKE

Dec 21, 20241 hr 2 min
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--Originally published on Dec. 19, 2023--

On this episode, BIG FACTS welcomes Killer Mike. Explore the profound impact of his lyricism on social issues, dissect the thought-provoking narratives within his discography, and gain unique perspectives on the intersection of music and activism.

This conversation offers a deep dive into everything ATLANTA as well as his Grammy Nominated LP “Michael”.

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Speaker 1

Big Bang. What it is screen?

Speaker 2

You don't be on nothing, I be on okay, So let me ask you bring you big big fact. Visit the new website today Big Facts pard dot com line.

Speaker 1

For the Trap Music Museum.

Speaker 2

It's time for Big Facts with Big Bank, Baby j d J Screen special guests, A long overdue killing.

Speaker 1

We got y'all, We got y'all. We told you, killer, what's coming? What's up killing? How you feeling it down that way?

Speaker 2

Nigga?

Speaker 1

I failed it all up? Down you feeling today? My brothers Man, blessed to be here, Man, bless how the famous thing Man.

Speaker 2

Anytime somebody do something for the culture like you did with Michael Man, we just got to salute you for an amazing body of work. Honestly, wasn't listening to a bunch of music, but they got me back on my music. Now that got the best album this year. I ain't not your rapout produced it because produced me. This big ground we're standing on with the church right damn you

know what I mean? Like all them old people that poured into me every day, that ever pulled me to the side and gave us some good advice as a teacher that believed in me, like I really, from my heart of heart says thank you because I couldn't.

Speaker 1

I couldn't have made this album without this city, right.

Speaker 2

How I felt to be like really stakable in your city, like somewhere that you came up, you went through the ups and downs.

Speaker 1

That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2

Yeah, that's all I wanted, and not you know, I noticed I wanted in the stereotipois, I want a nigga to know me, re spect me. You know, I know our man. You know my nephew knew our ni all that all kind.

Speaker 1

Of nigga from aleveand.

Speaker 2

Like that's some pretty ship, the big ship to live up to in terms of know the riding all on the street of ship. But I wanted to be like my grandmother, like being a klench could get to the mayor sixth on calls. And she was a nurse. She wants she was a nurse. She was moved here from Alabama in nineteen fifty. She she slept, she was right down there in DX Hell. She said a cousin. You know how women get sometimes, she said a cousin. My cousin had a man over. My grand said she wouldn't

even let her. She wouldn't even let her come in the house. I said, what you do? She said, I slept on the porch and I went inside watched myself. Then I walked to nursing school. She said, I knew I wasn't gonna live. I wasn't gona stay with there health.

Speaker 1

For too long.

Speaker 2

The next time, you know, they say she was so mean. She worked at the cay and chicken factory and say she ain't like the lady. Listen to her say she got hooted on them seeing and would pull it up. Say she was quiet, so I won't go to what the hell had saved me. So she was a very determined woman, you know. So you know my thing was she was. She reminded me of you want her connectivity with the community and people, Jake, And that's all I ever wanted. I wanted for my grandfather. He said, don't

embarrass yourself and take care of your sister. Don't embarrass me and your mama name it. Don't embarras black people. So to me, that was success. Yes, successful was if I could go to another neighborhood and they say, well, it's such such a grandson. Getting meant something when I went to my grandmother's funeral. It was you the thought of politician, Now you thought a city council person saying that, So that's really yeah. I wanted to be known Alta but like her, like I love the other ship, my

offa that was on that rationss ship. But man like her man she could just walk in the city council, I meaning the city counsel people smoked to her, you know what I'm saying, and she ran the pretention she was regular because she was gonna be the same lady taking food, ding to doing her neighborhood for the legacy residents who.

Speaker 1

Was So that's all I wanted.

Speaker 2

I wouldn't respect in a lot of different rooms, everybody from the Chamber of Comments to the motherfuckers standing front of Amaco. I figure, if I figured that out, I was cool the rest of my life. That's why I won't ever leave the city. I won't move nowhere else because I travel. I'm a visit about two weeks of ships been cool by me. I see y'alls later. You cool, and dude, I couldn't smoke over all the other shit,

But I love it now. I love it landa like man like like you know, like a like a Christian love church.

Speaker 1

Yeah, what you think?

Speaker 2

What you think missing in Atlanta right now when we talk about you know, the new Atlanta and the field being different, more black people cooperating with one another, and more black and white people understanding that cooperation's gonna push all us forward. I don't know who the white boy was in Buckhead had moved down here, wanted the Buckheads succeed, God bless it.

Speaker 1

So he stoked a lot of feeling a lot of bullshit. A white folks who've.

Speaker 2

Been in Atlanta and been in Georgia longe enough. You know that we know how to sit at the table. Everybody don't always get what they want. Most people don't get everything they want, but we walk away even though we're a little more uncomfortable the greater good of Georgia, sir. That's why you look at the state like Georgia. We've been number one in business the last ten years now, that's ten years in terms of growth, development and Georgia number And I don't know too many niggas who want

jobs who can't get them in Georgia. You know, you might don't get the job to walk but God damn some good jobs here.

Speaker 1

You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2

I had a cousin, did six years federal fellow pensitient for time in Alabama, came home, worked for the city of Atlanta. Now this nigga got everything I got. Nigga got the same watch. Nigga got a better cuts just pinpe job better got and talk now young cousins about that type. So so for me, we're not perfect. There's no utopia, but I got a shot here. You know,

I got an opportunity. I started a chance. And so what we need is more black people coming here for that reason to say I really I'm willing to work hard and willn't learn Right now, I give y'all a secret. Ain't nobody else tea until we figure out how to get a good state wid Propatlyganda campaign. Georgia needs trades people, and they paying the chopped off. So if you're traveling nurse, you can come here and make on hundred and sixty hours. They're gonna pay you sixty nine months. They gonna see

you back home. But if you a nurse here, if you're a high school girl right now, you don't know what you want to do you're a high school boy seventeen eighteen years old, you can start going to area texts or trade your school now getting your real to your nursing degree. Go on, get matricula, gets you frow your nurse degree. You make sixty dollars an hour. They paying that a pem, Well they not tomorrow and they short stand.

Speaker 1

They need nurses.

Speaker 2

They need truck driders because that port is getting built in surround them. Dunt truck's got to come in and out. Y'all needs who got out whom? I can't get no job that Look the ship you are bearing in your mamma yard. Get a dump truck, Get your old lady in the financial truck. Get that motherfucker to movie, you know what I mean? Because right now they need it, and they gonna need it for the next fIF team

to twenty years they need. Does a Georgia Youth be a program that I that I support, that I talk a lot about and that I've gotten money too, you know what I mean? And they take fourteen to twenty four year old children, they give them trades, electricians, carpentry, well and that kind of shiit. What's the name of Georgia Youth build Georgia, Brandy over that shots of Christina.

Speaker 1

But they take these kids, so the same kids.

Speaker 2

That's man that love this kind of ship. You can have all this ship and have a job where you ain't got to work yourself to death. It works out of hours and not you can't have it on some imagineary ship. This is what they need now, you know, the governor, the government. You know, he me, I know a lot of niggas get mad. You know, well, now niggas only man niggas. Niggas understand. Niggas have worked with everybody them. I'm fuck more house show.

Speaker 1

Why did you take that picture? What? What was the cover of the nigga? You're a Republican?

Speaker 2

I know.

Speaker 1

I'm just asking my nigga. I know you votever you I took you.

Speaker 2

I was interested in saying, hey, man, we need more trades program because our girls going to school. We need instead of sending even a boy to jail, we do it. And what a young Two years after you go through the fire, people say all these things. But you people who pay by another party to say things up the same party you help. When after that you get a call, he said, hey, I want you to come to the

Georgia work for something. And then you get in there and you realize, I'm in here with the most powerful people in Georgia. I'm in here with the black woman who's the head of a T and T. I'm in here with the black man who's the head over Lockheed Martin Hill. I'm here with other black people, But I

might be the only nigga in the wrong. I might be the only people person's gonna come, gonna come back off their mountain top down to the valley and say on Simpson Road, ask this is what's happening for the next ten, twelve, fifteen year. Gonna tell these mamas out there with these boys. They need your boys holding hammelets. They need your boys wiring shit. They need your and they need them on Tyler Perrys Studio. They need them behind trucks going up and now, and they're gonna pay.

I'm a ship ton of money. Nigga's gonna be with all the journey. They want to out the whole school, they want to have a pension, take care of the kids. All you got to do is direct them that day you go do a show up me.

Speaker 1

Ain't hard.

Speaker 2

You already you know how to hook up a video game. You already smarter than me, you know. So I just I want to see us now.

Speaker 1

I want to see this city be what it was for my grandmother.

Speaker 2

And that's a place for a girl who came out to Ski Alabama, came up here out the country. Yes, you know they weren't pole, but boy, they sharecropp to say about their own land. She came here, she raised a foundation that gave a family. Me and my sisters are successful.

Speaker 1

One of my.

Speaker 2

Sisters Master be Tis Shaw. Other my sisters an account with the Jilla University. We grew up writing the same neighborhood. We ain't got too many tragedy story, no family trauma. You know, we went through everything in the other black family, you know. But what we what we didn't ever do, is stop person being. And that's all I want to see us do. If we do that, I die happy

old man like Andy Rownd this moment. You know what I'm saying, Andy Young want to talk about those may not know, but that's how I want to be one more.

Speaker 1

I'm wanta tay.

Speaker 2

I contributed to an environment that could create more successful black people.

Speaker 1

If I do that on so let me ask you a question.

Speaker 3

With that being said, do you think that that vision is still possible since it's such a huge difference between the grandmothers of yesterday and the grandmothers of today.

Speaker 2

Oh no, your grandmama's a fucked up there too. They don't think your grandmother and this no blues, Then fuck your granddaddy. You don't know who your auntie daddy? Why your auntie light skinned? Everybody don't look about you. You know your grand ain't just a good nigga though that man, that'sh my dogar got your hair.

Speaker 1

So old people were not perfect. Don't listen to their music. No, no, no, I know, yeah, no, I know that. But I'm just saying, like.

Speaker 2

What I'm saying is, when you become grandmama, you can still do all that ratchet dass ship outside your house, but be your grandmama.

Speaker 1

I think.

Speaker 2

I think what she's saying is there's a difference between Mahelia Jackson and Sexy Red.

Speaker 1

I ain't talking about Mahellia Jackson. I'm talking about stagger Lee.

Speaker 2

Okay, you stagger Lee was a pill who was stetson, who killed the nigga that.

Speaker 1

Was my grand Nay. I remember that's my granddad. I thought I gave us some bad ship and he's like, niggah, it ain't not a stagg of late. They ain't even killed nobody for real. I went went to the library.

Speaker 2

That when the niggas they had like ya gonna do, I went to the goddamn library. I didn't do it to deal a decimal system read up on this.

Speaker 1

The fuck found the rest of the library to ship said this nigga was cold.

Speaker 2

Yeah, man, black people been doing. Oh, listen to Money Water List for sure, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1

Listen to how they say women act. They want to talk about the me and they want to all league.

Speaker 2

I want to kill this nigga, they say, Man, if this still left me missing, left for another nigga cross town.

Speaker 1

Yeah he's speaking, you're speaking, but.

Speaker 2

What but what what Your grandmother had sense enough to understand when she was twenty seven? If I fuck up had this baby by this other nigga that I ain't gonna paying here, whod did? I got to lock in with this nigga on wik I got to be one hundred percent with him. And all I'm saying is for the Grandmoma's out there with y'all ratchet asses locking in for them babies, say that ratchet ship for the ratchet time, go out to the club for all night, do.

Speaker 1

It to it. But but but for them eight hours that the babies with you.

Speaker 2

Them babies need to thank you God, because you're the closest thing in the guard too. You know what I'm saying, Your mama, you raised that girl. You can get mad about that girl you raised to them. You know you knew her faults. You knew that motherfucker was slipping a little bit. So now that you got top and give your chance, I realized my grandma raised her so well because she had a duel. She had ado, she had a duo, she couldn't have children. She liked working outside.

They say when she was a looker and I got I got a pull out later on the pennic. I keep her behind my mama. Usually people see the nise my mama know about her niece. But miss Benny Ben was a country girl. My wife and joke, my wife be telling my grandmothers lis Man, she'd be making Mama shayan, I'm gonna be like this. My grandmama liked working outside to the day she died. She would cut off grass, cut off heads, and ship. She would die walking up the hill on my arms at seventy nine years old.

So she never was really with no girl. She didn't like cooking, being in the house, all that kind of shit. She understood as a woman, I'm gonna do this to accommodate my husband and to take care of child. So when she had when by the time she got a childbirth in years got married, she had a lot of miscarris because physically she had worked about it in the field, That's what her presumption was. But she had My mama naturally.

I had an adopted Jean, an aunt named Jean that died as a child, and a fire my autistic uncle that was adopted. My grandma was an adoptora foster of children and and ship. My mama was the only want she had, So she spoiled my mother. Oh man, my mama had new clothes every season. My mama was pressed as she could be. And then somewhere along the lines, you know, my mama, with all this, my mama wanted

because I love you, I want her your grandmama. Step That was once I told me, I said, why you don't never say you up.

Speaker 4

She said, I feed you. No, she said, I feed you on that. I feed your ass. Fat said, she's saying your life, and she said, what I got to say it for you?

Speaker 2

And I went back to my room. I was talk about did we argue? Seven eight, nine years old? And I said, damn, like she don't just say she show us every day. So I realized that at some point in her life, my mama gave her due over My mama decided to have me at fifteen sheet a friend does in high school.

Speaker 1

She had me, and when she got married to my son, have two dads. When she got married to my second dad, she she married and my grandmother. I literally remember my grandmother saying, no, let him stay with me and Willie and we'll raise him, and you gonna learn how to be a wife.

Speaker 2

See my grandma, My grandma kund knew she had put some bad product out there and hold my mom, she started the ship out in her life, made him do too much. So she got to go learn her and this guy and learn each other. So my grandmother raised me and my sisters almost radically different than she raised my mom. She was very accommodating my mom. My mom had a lot of friends, my sisters. You know, she kept a closer eyeur, you know that kind of My sisters didn't get pregnant, they got out of the house.

But I realized that she understood that what we put in these kids from morals and principles is man. She got good morality with my mother. But my mother just spoiled the things. She didn't give us a lot of things, but what she gave us was principles, morals and tegty. And my grandfather did too. So that so that's for me. Your grandmama was out there. That's the mission. You can do all the ship you want to remember, my grandma came in. I don't know she drank. She was drunk

a ship. I don't know if she went to see BB King and just went to a party bother. She came back singing BB King three in the morning, and when she was behind the door, fucked up. I look, I was looking like the damn wouldn't gotten this mother fucker. My granddaddy calm. Usually he a nigga that's drunk, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1

He had a good week. But I realized that, oh this is a human being.

Speaker 2

She right, and she and what she said is from because at forty four was when when I was born.

Speaker 1

She was forty four.

Speaker 2

She dedicated the rest of her life that she was seventy nine to shepherd and me through this wilderness.

Speaker 1

You know what I mean.

Speaker 2

I think as a grandmama and a grandfather, I have seen grandfather and them saying a lot of niggas. Man. You know, I haven't seen my partners as grandfather's in there Thursday and forty be a whole different.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 5

Yeah, so you know, just just just you know, right here comes about to ask you what you really.

Speaker 6

Just about to a like, cause every time I see you, and until I ever seen you over there is like energy the same.

Speaker 1

Like it's just like you get you get it's like magnetic.

Speaker 6

Yeah, I appreciate, Like even if I'm down I see you, it's like something I just could see you on my energy, my vibration. Like what you do you think you got different Grandma from both of them, both of my grandparents, you know big and my wife.

Speaker 2

You know what I mean, Like, you know, like my granddaddy was, I could go to any any city, countis persons in the church and you know somebody know my grandmama I go to any gaming house and crapshoot the pool hall or any play working man cargame folking with a shirtwood. You know, my grandfather was a good man,

so I just wanted to be. And again, I was so hyper local that the bigger world, all the white folks I seen on PBS, I say, mister Rogers and Ross, you know, I like them, was every white folk because my grandfather was really not pro fucking around with each other way. He was just like, nah, this ship been too fucked up, too long, Go to work, come home, take care of y'all. But but what But what they both gave me was just like a strong ideentaity and

sense of who I was. I think, man, really, man, what you're getting from me is just old people have a sense of mortality. A little do volved when he be talking, you know, a little do vol You understand he understands he gonna die one day, so he TREAATETD every day. As I learned so much from him because he reminds me of my grandfather's We can't control the day. All can do exercide, try these little dream on board

that kind of ship. But you really don't know, so why why why give you fucked up energy?

Speaker 1

You know? Why? Why waste my time with it? You know what I mean? I didn't.

Speaker 2

I didn't did that ship in the posturing and ship. I ain't a teenager no more, you know. And even when I was a teenager, I realized I had the ability to impart good on people.

Speaker 1

So let me do that.

Speaker 2

It was like I could go to decater and fuck around, make a little money if I want to buy some nice this shit, because the niggas an't gonna kill me because.

Speaker 1

They liked me, because I.

Speaker 2

M you know, and if you gain more that you was gonna get more that my own my art teacher man who mister murrays from books. He Washington High School more as brown and now the kids who used to teach the paint now he teaches the.

Speaker 1

Farm and ship growing food. I gotta take you out there.

Speaker 2

I take you both, y'all, y'all like but that man said, man, he he said you ever you ever notice people who give blessings never run out of blessing to give?

Speaker 1

Yes, yes, but he hit.

Speaker 2

He hit me with that ship, like I was like, man, so I'm gonna keep doing this some days I'm gonna tell you, I gotta say, like, like man, when you are given who like you, you gotta thank certain people and my team whether it's bad or wrong. My man Mike get me and my man cous you know, my wife Shay like they get the whole mic, they get.

Speaker 1

The other side. You know what I mean. You know what I'm saying. They see the whole here.

Speaker 2

So you gotta you gotta, you gotta, you gotta be thankful of that and mindful. But what you gotta do is make sure that ain't the mic that win on the daily basis.

Speaker 1

So part of me.

Speaker 2

Getting y'all with energy, just trying to remind myself a fat boy, keep it, keep your head up and don't don't get doubtful out here, don't get worried, don't get anxiety and ship like that because that's bad for you, and that's that'll make you bad for other people.

Speaker 1

I just don't want to be bad for people.

Speaker 3

Yes, yes, yes, energy is everything and and.

Speaker 2

You give it, you man, you get so many you mean confidence in this game like you you have you you have for you, I've seen you and I've seen and God bless that.

Speaker 1

We were talking about juice possums yeah.

Speaker 2

See, y'all woman who used to do starting not started a magazine to But I seen y'all put more into rappers that were after thoughts, and I thought about not believing. And you don't understand what that righteous figure up woman.

Speaker 1

They said anything else to spell.

Speaker 2

You know, people got some folks got mad when I said and died by law. I say, maybe she ain't describe God. I said, maybe she angry were worshiping all those icietals and depth and the devil's keep praying on us.

Speaker 1

You know, niggas here you know God ain't a woman. Okay, I hear nigga. I knew when you were muzzle now your Hebrew niggah. So I understand you.

Speaker 2

But what I was trying to, what I was trying to express in their ball is, you know, the closest, the closest of the first rips to take the God. I saw the child I was a black woman because our breastfeeding man. Yeah, and a lot of young kids didn't get that. You man, you give young men and women in this interesty you give young women and an integrity field person to follow to understand. I don't have to simply trade my body for advancement. Now you just want to have fun.

Speaker 1

That's you.

Speaker 2

So you've never been pretentious about that. And beyond that, you show young men that they can have a loving, care and nurture relationship with a woman and then not be abused relationship.

Speaker 1

And I've always in mind, you know, running out, But.

Speaker 3

I was just like I'm big on energy because I feel like, and don't get me wrong, and don't ever get it fucked up because I have my days.

Speaker 1

Where like, yeah, I'm some whole other ship.

Speaker 3

But I learned from Black like a long time ago, like when you're able to like see that that's what you're on, like just kind of keep yourself away from people until you can kind of like shake it off or you know, like get rid of it and then pop back out, you know what I'm saying, and and be back on like the regular ship. But like it's it's just a lot of people, like you said, don't

have that positive energy anywhere around them. So if I can give a hug or or give a nigga like fucking my phone number to call me about some shit or you know, anything that can help, Like that's what I'm gonna do because I feel like that's why I'm here to make that contribution to society.

Speaker 2

And if everybody to do that, nobody got to do it. I don't know why this nigga said, you hate me. He our grandmothers both for the same thing, for different communities. His grandmother was from one of the city in front of the neighborhoods is in the city, you know, so she working Canada some of her people time. That's where my dad sounded from. My grandmother's on the west side, and they knew each other. So when I first got the recorded, you know, your grandma gon dragged you through

that hill. You talk to these babies and you're gonna get something to their thing. So but I didn't. But I didn't know his grandmother, you know what I mean. And his grandmother passed or something. I was on the road. I didn't even realize it was something. But I realized that he holds in his heart hurt that that that's impressed because in his mind our grandmother's when in league, I should have and I just I didn't. I didn't know what I don't. I don't know what he wants.

So expects our understand where it comes from paining, you know, what I'm saying somewhere adopt. Yeah, I have it, you know I have it. I have it because because something, because I had to grow to a point where I understood it too, because that you know, I'm still in the niggas still like nigga, fuck, you.

Speaker 1

Know what I mean, And I don't want to be like that. It's like I don't owe you ship, you know what I mean, because but he don't know. I'm on my ass and.

Speaker 2

At the time, nigga, I'm on my I'm trying to fix it out. But but but but I understand, so I know if we do talk, it'll be like, man, this is this is how my perspective and and our grandmothers did so much good work.

Speaker 1

I don't want us to be you know.

Speaker 2

But yeah, but it took me time to get to this, you know what I'm saying, because at for just west side in my life, but.

Speaker 1

More and more.

Speaker 2

This sight in the way, like I wrote, me and big but here is of the guys around me. But here my grandma call. She said, I'm ashamed of you. I said, God, damn ship making the church.

Speaker 1

You know what I mean? You know the church. Ya don't know your mama said grand Mama. They got the church.

Speaker 2

They know all the reds stitch to the preacher. So you know, I just I have some some of those outstanding things out that. But I just want to give a good energy, give the man. I really love your what what called testimony? Yes, like it's just man's ship. It inspires me more's I want to give? Like gets you just saying an nigma back, go go your ass to page and your courage though to to say I have changed local one of the only people I know who do a lot of people. You know, a lot

bear bearers who you're raps. You don't hear me talk about a lot of Atlanta people. So when I think talk about Jay, you don't have to talk about say tag you know sister just out of a strong spiritual community here. But man, I've noticed that young people, and she has she is a is a figure that's a mother and sister and comrade.

Speaker 1

At the minute.

Speaker 2

When when I when I look at bar and you, y'all's willing to say I've changed, May they give other dudes the courage to say I've changed. So like I watched Big Facts because I know the people behind When I watch it, I don't know it's cool to mention I mentioned drink camps.

Speaker 1

I never knew Noriega, and Noriegan was.

Speaker 2

One of the first people talking and say, y'all kill today, ball, don't eat nothing, just gonna be the juicies you're gonna drink and you're just gonna hit a.

Speaker 1

Walk, you know what.

Speaker 2

And I'm like, yo, it became friends from that, and he'll say, I've changed. I think that's some of the most courageous things being done the camera. Man, you're a real leader. I understand why. Like I understood your leadership from perspective of you know, when it was duct taping and when it was music, I understood your leadership easy. Then it was it was a kid to the streets.

But beyond that, man, you are truly a leader because after after general wins a war, every general don't get elected president because every general is not fit to lead a nation just because you can win a battle on the war, not only if you're a warrior had been on a war field. You are a diplomat and a politician and a shore of a nation. How to walk into something that's amazing. Appreciate yes, you The Joasea willis

in the movement. You know, I know you're a little younger than me, but like jose Man, jose was amazing.

Speaker 1

And again I'm saying that amount of stuff y'all can do with this.

Speaker 2

So Josell Williams, So, y'all know about doctor King, y'all know about Andy Young, y'all know about rap David Abannasty, you know guys who really don't know about James On who is my personal mentor all these people in the movie selling. But jose willis oh Man, Matt first all businessman. So they have the big white folks for ship. His attitude was, I'm with my man do or die, and after my man die, I'm about his mission do or die?

Speaker 1

They say, Hosey say he talked to a politician.

Speaker 2

What do you want? I was on a kid holiday. Well, we're not gonna be able to do that. Say this motherfucker, get up a walk out the woman.

Speaker 1

I don't need nothing else from the fuck with here, fucking I think I think your spirit. Man. It just lets me know that that's still here.

Speaker 2

What what jose and Alan Pat did, y'all guys are continuing, that's what that's what not saves the city, but that's what preserves us. Yeah, you know, you're like everybody like you. You real, you're gonna say.

Speaker 5

You know.

Speaker 2

And he's a great woman and is the reason we sitting you know, him and Maynard's vision for economically and internationally what we would come. I want to see black Atlanta. You know, even if you move here from somewhere else, find somebody from Atlanta, you know, and befriend them. You know, stop comparing where you're from, and you still check whatever team you want because your kids gonna be Braves house of Failon.

Speaker 1

Man, We're not worried about that.

Speaker 2

But I want people to to understand that there's there's an Atlanta way, a tradition that allows people to grow, that allows an eighteen year old girl to move here in nineteen fifty own her own house by by the time she twenty. It's a it's a it's a way for a young man who came up on the East Side die hard conditions.

Speaker 1

My other Gromman, Kirkwood.

Speaker 2

I need know that sign of seeing where Kirkwood Edgeward all that shit was what it will be for a young man to come out of that and the mature the brow said, I've changing it for so it means something and we can do more of that for y'all to move where you from and be a part of a place that's expected to succeee.

Speaker 1

We can do more of that, but we have to stay decided on that.

Speaker 2

We can't get divided, you know what I'm saying, or have your divisions behind closed. Those argue after your church means in your living room. But I was public going back and forth. Ship is dumb.

Speaker 1

What what do you think about?

Speaker 2

Like the people in the mentality of no hope, like and maybe all of us have been there at some point where they their mind their mindset is just look look for hope. It's like you're sitting in a cave and you fucking around the sea. Some light. But I don't know if y'all. A lot of niggas ain't been hold on a lot of nigga lights that got turned off. So remember your mom, dad and give you all that money. Like turned off looking at the street. Ye, yeah, you

need to be scared. You might see one thing. I'm like the streetlight like it's that you have to look for hope. Hope, look for it in the smiles to day. Sometimes when you're looking down and you fuck around. See a kid, kid, look up at your smile, and I believe your ancestor is always with you.

Speaker 1

I believe, I believe that.

Speaker 2

You know, if we are energy and prayers are prayers are real requests and sit out, then there's no way. My grandmama gone, she's gone in the physical. But something, my little girl gonna do something to remind me. My son gonna do something to remind me. He gonna say something.

Speaker 1

She said.

Speaker 2

You know a child is gonna and look for it. You gotta look for hope. You can't even expect it. You just gotta look for y'all know itself instead of instead of that's it. Yeah, the Lord ain't gonna feel whatever you call that Lord, it ain't gonna. Ain't gonna fel's injury. You hear, you're not already beat the hardest

race you could beat. It was a twenty billion of y'all are twenty two hundred and fifty million y'all and your daddy and us that day, sperm he fined and talked to Mama some legs, you know what.

Speaker 1

I mean.

Speaker 2

And you here, so you already one the hardest race it was. Why why would you think you can't, might take you at longer ship. Fun around took me twenty years talk about that, talk about that man, because there's this there's killer might coming in and getting down with like dungeon, fucking with outcasts running the Grammy And I'm sure this ship don't have peaks and valleys? But how did you maintain and stay persistent and consistent?

Speaker 1

Because a lot nigga would have gave up man, So I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't give myself another option.

Speaker 2

I ain't saying everybody should do that, but I got my I got my slick ass in the more house. I dropped my dumb ass out of more House. I started doing what easy though. Selling draws went hard because most of them. You know, if you if you forty five up ship, the same people that might have been your football cloture you got their boys club instructor might be asking you to ask a dun't on the way to school one morning, You're gonna ask you ask folk five times about I need to have some.

Speaker 1

Dunk on me.

Speaker 2

I mean I might need to make a move little moods your money, Yeah, exactly. So I tell people all the time when they when they condemn it, people, you weren't there. You don't know how they I picked up a nigga from Dixon Hills a year ago. I'm coming through Dixon Hills. It's a nigga walking to the stove and I said, oh, you need to ride to the stoke. Oh was he nicking? O?

Speaker 1

G we get? Oh? G t the store? Man my pot? You gotta say, man, he ain't got I.

Speaker 2

Said, oh, g oh gi what, I'm gonna have some dough for you and invite you in my car and just and I said I was trying to get He said, yeah, y'are sorry. I said, it ain't the Knights no more. To know, everybody just ain't got some crack on the whip. But I realized, I realized I can't.

Speaker 1

I can't.

Speaker 2

I can't DJ sweart Man out DJ. When I had got the deal he came out. I was in some townhouse on in em Okay.

Speaker 1

So I said, I was cool. I ain't nobody gonna follow me now, yo.

Speaker 7

Suit I pulled up and it was just a bunch of niggas with white T shirts and you in the middle of these niggas. And I was like, yeah, shouting because he was like, nah, you got the the he told me, he said you got to move.

Speaker 2

I said for what he said, Nah, you can't do this. I realized that I had kind of let what I could do become me and it really won't me. And so I was like, all right, Big about on my fance. I think I about like fourteen pounds me.

Speaker 1

I brought that nigga, Big found that shit out. Man, that nigga A man.

Speaker 2

That nigga say hey, man, we got to talk, you know what I mean. I look at Big like a big brother. He said, Man, you got to decide what you're gonna do. He said, make you small, and he said, you really saying a nigga, why are you done?

Speaker 1

You know what I'm saying, Like why you like? He like, you're gonna be a drug dealer or a rapper.

Speaker 2

And it was at that moment I'm just like, yeah, he just because you can do something on me. And I was smoking like a pack of New Ports. Like for people, this is not a cigarette, it's a joint. But I was smoking like a pack of Ports today as as as like a tithe in the guard. I gave up smoking when I got the deal. And I realized it was just anxiety. I don't should need nigga's gonna kill me. They know I'm not supposed to be all these nigga not this. Usually you start where you live.

So I'm like, man, these niggas know I'm smart. And we done went to elementary school for together. The niggas know.

Speaker 1

I went to the mornings. You know, I'm left.

Speaker 2

Then I got moving around the kater because I realized you could move around with the people.

Speaker 1

That's why I met you. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2

I'm just like, well, I'm like, they gonna kill. I hadn't really decided said these niggas gonna kill. Eventually, you feel like, why you feeling that? You felt like I had an experience. I had an experience where it was it was it was It might have been ninety seven, ninety eight. There was a funky little trout, so I had to pivot and fuck with somebody that I wouldn't usually fuck with.

Speaker 1

I think I'm now I want much at all. It was just getting through and.

Speaker 2

The nigga kept calling me. I seen my grandmama part of the church, so I just pulled up. I said him, get some one to the church. You keep a nigger head off the block, you know what I mean? And she said stay. She didn't like this, she said, steak. So I'm sitting down there with I'm with the old ladies and shit, and I'm just like, okay, It's like I said in the goddamn movie.

Speaker 1

My anxiety getting up.

Speaker 2

I'm for miss this play that ain't no play, But damn, I'm just like, why this nigga to keep calling me? And my mind started talking to said, niggas a drop this nigga don't need you? What what the fuck? He keep calling you for? Time to go from church? Got last twenty thirty minutes? All right?

Speaker 1

Mom?

Speaker 2

It was it was like watching hearing that last scenes and good Fellaws, damn. And she said, no, the preacher wants to see this nigga want to see me. And then he want to have everybody whole hands and prank wherever he was going. That was evil cast all of those ship you know they asking for some money at work. Well, he asked me for no money and I realized. I realized I got in that car, got that account. I said, don't answer that. I said, you want to gonna leave

with you this nigga don't like you that much? Did this nigga can call you fifteen twenty times. It's not this something else, Yeah, it's something else. And it was at that moment I realized, like if you say. And I still didn't get the deal for like another gift, but I started acting and moving differently.

Speaker 1

I start moving like I wanted to be a musician. When when when? When was it that moment, you know, like, yeah, this this is my purpose? This my man? When when I first got it, well, I knew it was my purpose.

Speaker 2

Now nine years old, the little boy that's on the on the with the horns and hango on Michael con that little nigga knew he was going to be a rapper. And my mama, Denise Fan God bless her, she was only sixteen years old of me, so I'm now she went twenty five. I tell her I want to be a raffer. Fuck it. She smoking a joint, hall hall girl, raped from a Francis It courage a child man, And my mama was man, I was just in love with her.

Speaker 1

I was.

Speaker 2

I was so in love still am just. I thought she was the most beautiful woman on earth. I loved how other people. You know, I go to to Frederick Douglas's we do it. It's like almost like an HBCU when we go to the land of public schools yet in school name for black people and then they still stay really active. I go to her class, and her class say, man, we remember when you was in you know,

when you was on your mom hip. We remember. And she just man, I was just she just encouraged me always because rap was her music first, raptless you know, it was like who Denie Curtis blow that type? It was.

Speaker 1

It was her ship.

Speaker 2

When I heard run and then like run DMC, I was like, oh shit, I taught her ice t you know, yeah, I'm like I'm all in.

Speaker 1

But man, she was the person that said you can't do it. You know.

Speaker 2

My grandmother and grandfather wanted me to just be stable and be responsible, like you know. My grandfather was a was a great dump truck drive and drove and had a great goddamn card gang tunk tunky so he we we didn't never want for anything.

Speaker 1

I liked one, never all and water was always hot, a cold, whatever it needed to be.

Speaker 2

My grandmother was a nurse, educated woman who married a working class man, y'all, motherfucker's out there with you all opinions. All my teachers were married the working class man. My teachers, if they weren't married to another teacher, they didn't married to a nigga who's a plumber, a nigga who made some good money. That the nigga, I remember the money. Yeah, they like they were like nigga, I can still read Shakespeare, nigga. But there's lock one hundred and twenty five dollars change

and we're gonna do this. But I just, you know, I just man. I was in love with my mom. So when once she told me.

Speaker 1

I could do it, it was it. That's what I was gonna do.

Speaker 2

Now I'm gonna just tell people who have a dream accept the challenges though, Like Miss Eve fourth grade ms even said, Michael, you too smart to be a rapper.

Speaker 1

Rap won't be around long.

Speaker 2

It should be a pot at fifteen years old. Mister jim Berto, who was a man who taught that. Another high school came to Maids. I was in summ school. To Maids, he said, hey, you want to get page and learn how to fly out of class? Like what he said, you want to get paid? Yeah, he said, my name is jim Berto. You'll come to I say, but I'm in some school. I said, you don't come to summer school every day. You'll leave here and then you go. There was another kid in that class who

became slim from one twelve. We learned how to fly planes and aviation mechanics together. And I say that to say accept challenges, because I accepted the request of the governor to sit in on the Georgia work for something things back to that shit I talk about that tour. I tell this story to these people who were in the room, like we need a greater work for us. We need to start putting trades and these type of things back in school, including piling and shit like that.

I said absolutely. I say, I'm a product of that. And I gave you the testimony. I told him the story of Jim perto at the end of the thing that God comes up to me and say I just hung up on Jim.

Speaker 1

He says he's proud.

Speaker 2

Of So when you accept challenges in your life, you never know how God is disguising the growth.

Speaker 1

You pray for the growth.

Speaker 2

Go God, I want to be a rapper at nine years old, Lord, I want to be a rapper. At ten years old, Missia said, you're too smart to be a rapper, be a pilot. I don't think about it for five years. At five years up, opportunity comes up and learn how to fly. I take it based on be a challenge by Ms Evil. I come back after I do that course. Tim is easier because she's working at Antioch Baptist Antioch with I think it's Antiopta on morningd.

Speaker 1

I said, it's easily. I said, I'm your old student. Michael said, I remember. I said, listen, miss Eli, I still gonna be a rapper. I said that that fine. I said, yeah, I like it. Like I said, I said, I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep doing that. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2

So for me, man, your dream is is yours. And I didn't even know you made a lot of money back at the time. You know, I just wanted to be a rapper. So for me, the dream was pure, or when I knew about it was pure because I was nine. I was so young now being a business person. When I knew that is probably twelve years ago. And that's the next phase of my life. I want to be the rarest rapper I can be. To me, there's no greater than the scarface. There's nothing greater than Brad Jordan.

Everybody you can put Brad Jordan one and whoever you want to after that is all. But to me, you're talking about persistency. The guy right next to him too short. If I can have that type of consistency and lengthic career and that type of greatness of reaching the human emotional depth and expressing that in a Damnar Shakespearean like way, That's what I want. But with all that said, I've seen this guy named Magic Johnson and what he did

for my city. He not even from him, but I remember when when he brought the movies back man, right.

Speaker 1

I remember when he brought a starbus the Cascade. I remember.

Speaker 2

And he's done all of this while helping other black people not only be employed but have in the growth of the leaders. And and I I'm inspired by that, and I decided that this is what I want to do. That hip hop they say the four elements were, you know, break dancing and be boying, graffiti, turntablism, DJ and the rapping. But I'll add you know, if you got them for the debates. You have the crown you have here with economics. You know, trap music has made a lot more money

than cocaine may have ever made. You know, when you think about fact, when you're looking at one artist, you're looking at ten to forty different jobs around that artists, you know what I mean. So for me going, I knew that about twelve years ago, and I got everybody will know me, no shame I talk about popping this. It's my wife.

Speaker 1

And you know some days got damn, that's my dog. We all in.

Speaker 2

Some days, nigga, we disagree, but you ain't gonna never not see us together. And that's that's just a shoe. And I've seen that with my grandparents. But I remember I got a little sixty hours my first room. Because you don't hit money because you win a Grammy. You know, when when when when.

Speaker 1

I want the Grammy, I'm already reached, you know, I mean, when I want my grandmy, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2

But after after, after Drake decided to you know, pursue acting and stopped touring. After the big was trying to figure out what to do. The whole Purple rooman together. It was no acting movement.

Speaker 1

So not like that.

Speaker 2

You're not like you're not getting show money either. So you know what I had to understand is that, man, the woman that I picked. I always said, I hit the lottery because I bought the ticket and I had to sit there and make a decision.

Speaker 1

I was sitting down here like, God damn, because.

Speaker 2

You know you're fucking, but you ain't really say it to yourself.

Speaker 1

Be honest. To sit them down and talk to them, they might understand, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2

You don't have the courage to do that. But man, I bet on this little this little chick from Savannah. Man, she just she was a nursing school. She was determined. That motherfucker reminded me of my grandmother. Right, I'm like this little motherfucker up here where if she told frown need two weeks on your flow and I have my own apartment.

Speaker 1

I was fucking with another broad in the back of the apartment. She lived there. I didn't know. I pull up and I said, oh, ship on for me. This told the girl the first week.

Speaker 2

I said, Hey, I ain't gonna we're gonna ask. I ain't gonna be a I'm gonna think I'm a bet on this little motherfucker. See, but got like sixty band and I said, what we're gonna do? I said, well, you know, my whole thing has always been laying get you a piece of land so that if the worst come, I pushed tend to sleep on this motherfucker.

Speaker 1

I know how to fish. I know I was doing town five.

Speaker 2

So I went and found hoop of house on the west side because I knew the west side is only three miles downtown. I knew were gon man about our first property. And she didn't want no she didn't want no bag. She drove that goddamn Honda. She had a she had juice to a bad that's a fake. UIs she give a fuck?

Speaker 1

You know what I mean? I just but I is love that that spirit about it.

Speaker 2

And I just said, I said, now going forward, I gotta I gotta transform my mind.

Speaker 1

I gotta think like a business person.

Speaker 2

I gotta take the lessons my grandparents told me about money, and I kind of started applying it.

Speaker 1

We were able. I used to tell my wife, She's like, you know what I'm saying. We all grew up, told you know, and one day.

Speaker 2

She just you said, nigga, y'all was rich, and I'm like, I never heard nobody say no, sit like that to me, like richite. We grew up on the west side, so our houses, all the little nine hundred square foot houses that border, that's the buffer between bo and homes. And say Martin Luther King and white brother doctor the King's parents. I'm Russell and live the rich black folks is here, allays working class niggas is here, and then them niggas on got to see about your ass is here. So

I never considered myself rich. But she said, nigga, y'all had an r V. I said, yeah, because my granddaddy he never saw this. She said, Nigga, your granddaddy had another house. She said, your grandparents lived a life and such they used, they reached, so it is to make sure you guys had and what they didn't give y'all in Jordan's and clothes and shit like that. I said, she had spoiled my mother into listenly, they gave y'all an experience. We went everywhere late one for soccer Blue.

We were traveling and me and I started to understand, and man, what I had was opportunity. When I had a bigger imagination I wouldn't limited it in my view, so understanding that she was the right pair for me and we could have something together. And if I if I what, I love the story Guoci told me. Guts I left, I had two million left. I gave this ship and my girl. I came back it with six.

You know, nigga, niggas be treaming and thinking, b But nigga, who's the girl when you get, when you get, when you get locked up, if you leave over ten thousand, you come out, your ten thousand gonna be there.

Speaker 1

That's cool.

Speaker 2

I had I had a girl like that in there, but boy fucking around to come out and it's fifteen to twenty five and added to it, that's that's a difference. That's just a different you know what I mean. I got a call from my account. Hey, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, he'll little, he'll a little due. He did my stereotypical, my miccount. I love him a little Jewish dude.

Speaker 1

I love him to death. He said, I want to talk to you, said, what you gotta talk about? I either, I just talked like about eighty thousand dollars move and I don't know what that means. I didn't talk to you and share about it together.

Speaker 2

And she said, and so they talk boy, because she she won't to know her money at all time.

Speaker 1

So I said, what the fuck? This nigga called me this ship for I was like, he know, whatever move she's making, I'm not gonna. I called and said, hey, man, you I said, I got a call. Man. What's he? She said, what I told that motherfucker don't say that. I said, what what? What's wrong?

Speaker 2

She said, the house you bought me? I bought her the house she grew up in her grandmother's house. She said, we now have an airbnb in Savannah, and I trove. She took me to Savannah the next weekend. This motherfucking house totally redoe And I'm like, why why wouldn't I trust this motherfucker with my life? Saying I went, I had I had fell out from fucking dehydration exhaustion, and I woke up. I told this man, I'm in a hospital. Man, I'm a fucking wan the road and she wouldn't leave my side.

Speaker 1

They said anything else? Were big?

Speaker 2

Fan?

Speaker 1

Do you look at marriage as a as a business partnership?

Speaker 2

That means it's a it's a few things. It depends on your marriage, Taylor fit your marriage. See, I'm an artist, I know how to go out and make money. I'm a I'm a good idea person, but I'm a funk up side. No, No, in part, absolutely it is, especially when you're involved state in your business.

Speaker 1

If we just we country though, you know we country, you know.

Speaker 2

What I mean. So it's just like I'm a mayor and I'm locked in. I saw my grandparents. I saw my grandfather's three to walk away once, you know what I mean. My grandmother she did some ship that was that he didn't like, and after that she was like, hey man, that's not gonna happen again. You know what I'm saying, Like like he was, he had caught a duy years and my grandma just hyper about it because she didn't want us to ever wake up and they

not be there, you know, to depend on. And so she had one of their mutual friends drive her to she had gave her she had got left the cantact, my white family she worked for. She gave it to my grandfather, but she was just saying, She'm gonna take the car home with him the time to get you com by my granddaddy got so pipe and how a nigga had drawn over there. Now that one hip hopa though, and I just know I wouldn't mind it. But listen, I ain't a old nigga different. Listen, don't First I

thought they he was gonna kill somebody. This nigga was sold. They didn't even read at this. I was like, fuck me, and my sister's like, hey, we're wrong. Then nigga started packing this ship. He started packing his fucking ship. And my grandmama like, no, Wally, you can't go. She calm, and usually you know, she'll huff up a little bit. But Brown Bert that nigga had killed two niggas in his life too, so I realized she probably hadn't.

Speaker 1

Been a mask saying.

Speaker 2

But she said, and this is the only thing that comes down. She said, you didn't come, you're angry. If you leave, you can't leave it. And he put everything back in the head and each winter said and they just it was never spoken of again, but that was the one time. So for me, it's a it's a it's a business arrangement. In that my grandfather was functionally I literate. He had to drop out in third grade. Because his father left, he had to raise his sisters

to help his mother. So his check came home on my ground. Now what he made gaming and on the side driving dup truck on the weekends, you know, for for you know, for some contract. That was his money, but his check the check. So I saw that kind of business arrangement, Like okay, then, so I learned, Okay, if you if you can't trust with the check that ain't a woman, don't do that, you know what I'm saying. Or if you have a woman that's frielings with money,

you better be more disciplined money. So it's a business arrangement in that shit. Just just just to me, fuck with somebody who understands living adam below your means and can do that which they're gonna ride around. They got

them hunder court proud with you. So when they get that, you know, I tell all the time, I said, you got a quarter million dollars and cause him to driveway, I drive got damn helka, you know what I'm saying, Like I don't you know, But but when she drove that goddamn humble, she drove that motherfucker proud, and she drying got their rage, you know, so so for me, And there's a there's a there's a business element to marriage, and some marriages are just pure business.

Speaker 1

That's fine.

Speaker 2

I chose to marriage because I understood my I understood my slipperses and falts, and we counter balance each other false well you know what I'm saying. We used to both be bad about time and being like fun that I be on time now and she just said wow, and me, you know what I mean. We we've had to conceive certain stuff and I understand, but but I want you and you should love the person you married,

but you don't have to. I've seen successful marriages happen without love, but they created stay with human beings that went on to be loving people. But every if I ain't got to be I just know for me, if I wouldn't have marriage, that I probably wouldn't have made that marriage.

Speaker 1

Really, you know, I would never do that again. So they used to getting because it's like getting getting free from jail and say, I want to go back for the same charge that ain't speaking.

Speaker 2

To get married to me, you need fundamentally, but what your marriage is need to be what you consider I got an uncle Vin and then offer league. They both man and a motherfucker marriage. I love them both to death. They happy, you know what I'm saying. They happy, So be happy. I know a nigga with four wives all his kids went to school on a scholarship. I had to pay for my kids cases. So ship that nigga might have a better plan than me. But I bet

they had a group school. I'm a little motherfucker that kid one fucking earlier. But he a mustle, you know what I mean. So whatever, whatever, your marriage is, just tailor fitted with you and your partner or partners, you know what I mean. But but, but but but don't don't let society tell you you know what it is

or what it's about to be, because it's some lifetime ship. Though, if you're gonna be in there for life, you're gonna have some uncomfortable moments too, you know what I mean, in no sense of walking around uncomfortable, tensing yourself up, dying a few years earlier.

Speaker 1

This motherfucker on, fuck somebody else. Spend your money on them anyway.

Speaker 2

It is. Will we ever get trigger wanted two man, that's up to the white folks. I would love to do it, but yeah, I got. I would love to do it for the money it takes to do it right.

Speaker 1

I was.

Speaker 2

I was.

Speaker 1

That was one of the times I was. I was.

Speaker 2

I was driving myself, you know, exhausting dehydra because I was working so hard to prove it. You know, I've done, I've done everything. I wanted to be on TV as a kid, you know what I mean. That's why I liked watching TV A ship like that. I didn't want to do typical TV. I don't you know now, I'm wrong and mature in my thought, but I always wanted to do something radical different.

Speaker 1

I used to watch a show called Real People.

Speaker 2

Vironality who now owns the weather too, who was trying to everybody y'all hear about Vironality. There's a billionaire I started watching. He had always had the skin a little black. You know, Real People. You watch it and they would go find these strange and wonderful people throughout the United States, and you just got a chance to see.

Speaker 1

Because again, I grew up in an all black world.

Speaker 2

We understand that most people don't understand it. So other people was was. It was literally alien at me. It was amazing, It was it was cool learning about other people. So you know. For me, that's what trigger warned. It gave me an opportunity to be this wandering figure just figuring stuff out and did you really four hours?

Speaker 1

So I did ship.

Speaker 2

Like we have a problem with with people not learning, so I try to use panography to learn to help people to learn.

Speaker 1

How you trade, how you do that. I showed him a buff flick and how to wire a lamp. Everybody naked, but like I paid more attention that the training.

Speaker 2

We we did something where we we we did something where we I started my whole country, New Africa and ran with an election against against some other people, and they voted for me because popularity oftentimes wins over over capability and the red coke.

Speaker 1

In the yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah. So with that I changed the election. Why do you change the election?

Speaker 2

Not for me to me and for me to lose because the woman, the black woman, was a better leader because I had to go on too.

Speaker 1

I'm giving that to doing drugs onto the flame. I don't want to lead.

Speaker 2

I want I'm curious. People make me curious, So I want to do another trigger warning. I just can't do it at the budget. So if they give me the budget, we need. I would love to so that budget up for that.

Speaker 1

I wanted to.

Speaker 2

Fox and Netflix were part of that happening, so shotx SO shouts out to FX, thank you all, and shouts out to Netflix. I love to figure out Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Finally, I want to ask you, a lot of people look to you for guidance. You're leader and respect the right. Twenty four is coming. People are kind of a lot of people are kind of confused about what to do politically, but they're gonna look to you for answers.

Speaker 1

They looked at you.

Speaker 2

A lot of people fucked with Bernie because you fucked with Bernie. A lot of people listening to Killer. So what you gotta say to the people have to say is hyper hyper hyper local. Who is your prosecutor? Who are the judges you're gonna be voting for? And if you don't know, you should google your prosecutors and judges. You should say that. You should say to yourself, how has this happened? Since how our mayor has gone to find job in the ford of my house. He's doing

a great job. I would hate for other things that were not the mission to take precedent over that when it's time to vote again because it's still black people living in this neighborhood. And when I go to other cities, a black people in sorta neighborhoods usual.

Speaker 1

To be black.

Speaker 2

So that's one reason I feel like I'm run with this mayor because he's actually brought the things home he said he was bringing home. So I don't even up to the president because I'm two days thinking about my mayor. This governor, who a lot of people didn't like or did not want me to like, has engaged me as a as a taxpayer and as a as a as a person in the community that's affected by prisons.

Speaker 1

Trump I took it. Well, I ain't gonna do this.

Speaker 2

I'm only talking about my brother, who didn't you know, who didn't support you know, Trump's you know, push for it to recount or whatever he was pushing for it. But our governor stood on the side of what to me was principals at that time. And that's what makes me. I don't have to grieve, you don't have to reality policia. I'll give you a grand disagreement. There's a gang enhancement bill that came across. It enhances if you are caught

recruiting kids and the gangs and things of that nature. Right, And I pitched my case for myself.

Speaker 1

I have to talk to you.

Speaker 2

He gave me audience with the lawyers, gave me audience with staff. I said, well, this is how I see it. If you look, we had a thirteen year old girl that is recruited in the prostitution by an eighteen year old girl.

Speaker 1

You look at both of those girls, it's.

Speaker 2

Victims because both eighteen year old girl at one time was unless it used, abused, she was trained, right, little girl, I said, I need you to look at gangs in the same way. If you're a seventeen eighteen year old young man, you're recruiting at thirteen year old, you've never been a leader, You've never been considered the leader. It's the only thing that's given you a sense of leading community of brotherhood. Then I think you should look at that the same way you be looking at eighteen year

old girl. Then and I lost that case.

Speaker 1

I pitched it.

Speaker 2

He gave me audience. But when it came time to sign, still sign right, double back around, like I said. A year later, he knows all right, Mike told me in these conversations if our boys have traded earlier, if I then our girls going to college, but our boys need something to do. He kept me in mind for that. It's just politics, you know what I'm saying. It's just politics. It's just like every nigga I have about don't film out of their life.

Speaker 1

Oh man, lord, no, some of the niggas. I hate it. So what you you independently?

Speaker 2

What you I am?

Speaker 1

I'm a nigga. I'm a black man a lot of ship, but I don't belong to no party. Yeah. What I'm saying is black people be black exactly. I'm a black. If you're a Republican, I'm a Black Republican.

Speaker 2

But be that because they always, you know, they tell us things like, you know, you shouldn't put African American on anything that that type ship. And I'm like, yeah, but all my Greek friends said, I'm Greek. That doesn't mean they're not American culturally. They understand I'm Greek. Am I Russian?

Speaker 1

Free? You know what I'm saying, I'm Russian? Like they don't. They don't want You can't run from who your nigger. We can't run from who. Y'all be black? Were black? First?

Speaker 3

With that you know you are, but pay attention to the policies and benefit.

Speaker 1

Our perminent friends and allies and politics.

Speaker 2

That's just what it is. Not.

Speaker 1

That's not saying about no permanent all. It's not saying you still can't be my friend. But we're not.

Speaker 2

We didn't agree on that the thing that we read on though we're pushing forward, you know what I mean, that's not she is. If we agreed to trade schools and do this, and you're about to put forty something million or put forty million in the trade schools that ended up on trade and and then some of us saw his way to Atlanta, then I can't givenmber working with what I got. One thing, you know, my mama told me about it about a lot of shit. But the ship I got a yes, Tome, I ran it

all the way up. So I would suggest black people looking at now now might have then been on here and you could say, well, man, fucking on what he's talking about. Man, there's all that old shed, you know. But I'm gonna give you this. I got sent Magic Johnson about three four times the other day. So I'm like, man, why everybody keep sayding me magic?

Speaker 1

Like you know, just must have said something significant. Shouts out to Freddy Oath. Freddy o said, they asked Magic Johnson.

Speaker 2

He was in the process of doing the press conference about buying the Atlanta Life Insurance Company.

Speaker 1

Y'all saoud Google Alonso Herrid Atlanta.

Speaker 2

Like yeah, yet black man own barbershops that hired employed all black people, a couple of them, service to all white men.

Speaker 1

He hears business.

Speaker 2

Insurance all this kind of shit you talked about, He says, Man, black people can't even get insurance. He starts to get insurance policies for them, I would assume, and then supplement builds the largest black insurance company in the world right here in Atlanta. Magic Johnson, of course, is again he's the person I love Michael Jordan, Dominique Wiling, you know what I mean. But Magic was the person that comes and said I can take my entertainment and I can

leverish the shit in to being a business person. So he's bid for the last twenty seven old timately say, gives my life. Then, So when I looked up to Magic, said, yo, they said, how'd you find out? He said, killing Mikey. He said, we're watching something and killing Mike and killing Mike started talking about this man and this company, and

we had research. So I'm gonna just say, if a billionaires fucking around listening to me, if you somewhere in the barbershop arguing over if you like my album or not, or if you're a mother with some sons, or if you a dad that want to give something, maybe you should just check it out. Because I'm not gonna ask you for no money at the end of the speech, I'm not gonna charge you to come and get in. I'm gonna do the same thing this man, this woman.

Do just give you some free game and a hug. Yeah, and we should have been so if you were in Georgia, because I'm staying higher low. If you in Georgia you voted for war Knock, you voted for also, I would start to stay there statewide. Or if you whoever you voted for in terms of the board of education your respective city of county, I would start pressing for funds to be put in high school to bring trades back. Harvard High School was a trade and Murphy was Murphy

High School. I forgot It's crim now Lazo crem now Frederick Douglas.

Speaker 1

All these schools.

Speaker 2

A child should be able to come in and say, well, if I'm not magnet program and I'm not arts talent center and music talent center, I should be able to do trade skills and focus because for the next fifteen years, you're gonna be able to put out money maker. You're gonna be able to put out Little Yatti went to a school in the suburbs.

Speaker 1

I love Yadi.

Speaker 2

His father is a product of the arts program that I'm a product of in Frederick Duggs. Before Yatti became Gotti and blew up right there, the only other kid it was a kid who was like in terms of who made money big first, there was a kid who's in college and he's probably graduated, but he had taken a wealthing course in high school. So he was already making seventy grand a year when they were like twenty twenty one years old, you know what I mean. So

think about that, everybody came be Gotti. Y'all, he's falling his you know, has has shown him for years what to do with the camera, what to do. Y'ally has been in an environment where he understood how to figure out how to make himself most exactly amazing piano, but most people not not privy to be like me at nine years old, my MoMA said, you want.

Speaker 1

To be rapped, Okay, we're gonna wrap.

Speaker 6

You know.

Speaker 2

He had most of you all seeing other people say well, I can do it too. Fuck that, I can do it too. God can do it too. Or the welds, the carpets, electricians, because you can fuck around and do that too, and you'd be making a hundred twenty thousands. Like you trying to figure out really what you want to do with your life. You might just said, what fuck I want to make hundred twenty thousand oncet football a sudden, you know. So I think that I think

that ultimately that's what I want to just tell people. Man, if your magic, listen to me, you know, and just castling, and Lord knows, I hope I can do some Bitif don't want you, I would.

Speaker 1

I would just like to say, you know, just listen to me, black folks. I don't want nothing from you. You know.

Speaker 2

If you like my music, buy it or come see a show, or buy a T shirt if you if you you know, if you if you like to get your haircut, come in one of my barbershops. If you if you want to eat some fry fish, we order and bank his seafood. I ain't trying to do nothing but even swaps and swims. I don't want anything out from you, but you to be your best, because my daughter's got to marry somebody. My son's got to marry somebody, and I would like them to marry somebody that look like us.

Speaker 1

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