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course join us there um with that in course join us there um with that in course join us there um with that in mind we do not have an interview this mind we do not have an interview this mind we do not have an interview this week we will be actually at Artic Circle week we will be actually at Artic Circle week we will be actually at Artic Circle next or tomorrow uh doing a show so next or tomorrow uh doing a show so next or tomorrow uh doing a show so there's going to be an extra show coming

there's going to be an extra show coming there's going to be an extra show coming out into the feed here soon um but with out into the feed here soon um but with out into the feed here soon um but with no interview today we're going to kind no interview today we're going to kind no interview today we're going to kind of go over catch up on some craft beer of go over catch up on some craft beer of go over catch up on some craft beer news including the craft Brewers

news including the craft Brewers news including the craft Brewers conference in World beer cup uh Rob conference in World beer cup uh Rob conference in World beer cup uh Rob what's uh what happened this past uh what's uh what happened this past uh what's uh what happened this past uh week week and a half yeah well uh the week week and a half yeah well uh the week week and a half yeah well uh the craft uh Brewers conference and the craft uh Brewers conference and the

craft uh Brewers conference and the world beer cup you know just wrapped up world beer cup you know just wrapped up world beer cup you know just wrapped up they announced all their their winners they announced all their their winners they announced all their their winners and their facts and figures um I was and their facts and figures um I was and their facts and figures um I was looking at some of the stuff and uh the looking at some of the stuff and uh the

looking at some of the stuff and uh the numbers are slightly down in 2024 as far numbers are slightly down in 2024 as far numbers are slightly down in 2024 as far as beers entered and breweries um but as beers entered and breweries um but as beers entered and breweries um but it's still well 9,000 beers were entered it's still well 9,000 beers were entered it's still well 9,000 beers were entered in 110 categories which is seems like a in 110 categories which is seems like a

in 110 categories which is seems like a pretty good showing to me um they had pretty good showing to me um they had pretty good showing to me um they had 280 judges which is nice um I've got a 280 judges which is nice um I've got a 280 judges which is nice um I've got a good beer friend who is a beer judge and good beer friend who is a beer judge and good beer friend who is a beer judge and he looks forward to these things because he looks forward to these things because

he looks forward to these things because it's a good chance for the judges to you it's a good chance for the judges to you it's a good chance for the judges to you know get out there and compare notes and know get out there and compare notes and know get out there and compare notes and catch up on stuff so it seemed like a catch up on stuff so it seemed like a catch up on stuff so it seemed like a good time uh it sound like a good time good time uh it sound like a good time

good time uh it sound like a good time uh but of course the part that is the uh but of course the part that is the uh but of course the part that is the most interesting to us uh consumers is most interesting to us uh consumers is most interesting to us uh consumers is how did our breweries do or how did our how did our breweries do or how did our how did our breweries do or how did our states do in the world beard cup so I states do in the world beard cup so I

states do in the world beard cup so I pulled out um Indiana Michigan and pulled out um Indiana Michigan and pulled out um Indiana Michigan and Arizona specifically because those are Arizona specifically because those are Arizona specifically because those are the states we represent or represented the states we represent or represented the states we represent or represented hopefully Dan comes back and he can talk hopefully Dan comes back and he can talk hopefully Dan comes back and he can talk

about his Arizona breweries um but I can about his Arizona breweries um but I can about his Arizona breweries um but I can get started with the um the Indiana one get started with the um the Indiana one get started with the um the Indiana one uh so we had five medals out of the uh so we had five medals out of the uh so we had five medals out of the world beer cups this year which um I world beer cups this year which um I world beer cups this year which um I thought was pretty nice

thought was pretty nice thought was pretty nice uh we had Upland Brewing won the Belgian uh we had Upland Brewing won the Belgian uh we had Upland Brewing won the Belgian style Wht beer uh which uh with their style Wht beer uh which uh with their style Wht beer uh which uh with their Upland wheat which brings me to a very Upland wheat which brings me to a very Upland wheat which brings me to a very important part of uh beer judging and important part of uh beer judging and

important part of uh beer judging and the things to consider when we talk the things to consider when we talk the things to consider when we talk about beer judging and that is that the about beer judging and that is that the about beer judging and that is that the beers get judged in whatever style they beers get judged in whatever style they beers get judged in whatever style they are entered in it doesn't matter how the are entered in it doesn't matter how the

are entered in it doesn't matter how the Brewer brewed them or what people think Brewer brewed them or what people think Brewer brewed them or what people think of them um they get entered in what they of them um they get entered in what they of them um they get entered in what they get entered in we do uh we've seen plenty of uh beer in we do uh we've seen plenty of uh beer in we do uh we've seen plenty of uh beer festivals obviously with craft Brewers festivals obviously with craft Brewers

festivals obviously with craft Brewers conference in the world beer cup they do conference in the world beer cup they do conference in the world beer cup they do follow the BJC rules and regulations follow the BJC rules and regulations follow the BJC rules and regulations which means that you know it's not which means that you know it's not which means that you know it's not necessarily the best beer but it's necessarily the best beer but it's necessarily the best beer but it's

probably the most closest to style probably the most closest to style probably the most closest to style because there was plenty of beers the because there was plenty of beers the because there was plenty of beers the one time I actually went to World Expo one time I actually went to World Expo one time I actually went to World Expo of beer um where the SRM color was so of beer um where the SRM color was so of beer um where the SRM color was so off point that uh it almost disqualified

off point that uh it almost disqualified off point that uh it almost disqualified the beer uh so it could have tasted the beer uh so it could have tasted the beer uh so it could have tasted great but if the color not right the great but if the color not right the great but if the color not right the flavor is not right like there's a lot flavor is not right like there's a lot flavor is not right like there's a lot of things that can uh hurt a beer um as of things that can uh hurt a beer um as

of things that can uh hurt a beer um as well as sometimes it's the the luck of well as sometimes it's the the luck of well as sometimes it's the the luck of the draw when you get your beer tasted the draw when you get your beer tasted the draw when you get your beer tasted versus when other uh beers get tasted versus when other uh beers get tasted versus when other uh beers get tasted especially when you're in the the pallet especially when you're in the the pallet

especially when you're in the the pallet destroyers like the double IPA destroyers like the double IPA destroyers like the double IPA categories but uh Upland wheat one what categories but uh Upland wheat one what categories but uh Upland wheat one what else went on yeah yeah so the Upland else went on yeah yeah so the Upland else went on yeah yeah so the Upland wheat one I'm kind of surprised it one wheat one I'm kind of surprised it one wheat one I'm kind of surprised it one

in the Belgian style whet beer um in the Belgian style whet beer um in the Belgian style whet beer um because I would never have placed it as because I would never have placed it as because I would never have placed it as Belgian style W beer but it's a good Belgian style W beer but it's a good Belgian style W beer but it's a good wheat beer um Gumball head from Three wheat beer um Gumball head from Three wheat beer um Gumball head from Three Floyds one Floyds one Floyds one

um and that one was henter as an English um and that one was henter as an English um and that one was henter as an English ale which I had always seen as an ale which I had always seen as an ale which I had always seen as an American American American wheat so or a pale ale either one of wheat so or a pale ale either one of wheat so or a pale ale either one of those is normal but it went for it got a those is normal but it went for it got a those is normal but it went for it got a

bronze for an English ale uh metazoa did bronze for an English ale uh metazoa did bronze for an English ale uh metazoa did really well they had two beers at one um really well they had two beers at one um really well they had two beers at one um I'm going to start with their bronze the I'm going to start with their bronze the I'm going to start with their bronze the rutro which was an ESB and they do make rutro which was an ESB and they do make rutro which was an ESB and they do make

excellent esbs I will regularly go there excellent esbs I will regularly go there excellent esbs I will regularly go there for that um but their Gold Medal winner for that um but their Gold Medal winner for that um but their Gold Medal winner was in the German style Bach or mybach was in the German style Bach or mybach was in the German style Bach or mybach uh and it is ain't afraid of no goats uh and it is ain't afraid of no goats uh and it is ain't afraid of no goats

which I think is a wonderful name for a which I think is a wonderful name for a which I think is a wonderful name for a beer uh and they and the silver in that beer uh and they and the silver in that beer uh and they and the silver in that same category was from moontown bin same category was from moontown bin same category was from moontown bin which is up the road for me I quite which is up the road for me I quite which is up the road for me I quite enjoy them uh that one was their

enjoy them uh that one was their enjoy them uh that one was their Schoolhouse Bach which I don't think Schoolhouse Bach which I don't think Schoolhouse Bach which I don't think I've had but now I need to get up there I've had but now I need to get up there I've had but now I need to get up there and have and have and have it so that wraps up Indiana those were it so that wraps up Indiana those were it so that wraps up Indiana those were our five medals um metazoa got two

our five medals um metazoa got two our five medals um metazoa got two medals that's I'm pretty excited about medals that's I'm pretty excited about medals that's I'm pretty excited about that their local Indianapolis that their local Indianapolis that their local Indianapolis Brewery oh well before we continue Let's Brewery oh well before we continue Let's Brewery oh well before we continue Let's uh see if we guessed correctly what Dan uh see if we guessed correctly what Dan

uh see if we guessed correctly what Dan is drinking Dan what are you is drinking Dan what are you is drinking Dan what are you drinking yeah shout out to my modem drinking yeah shout out to my modem drinking yeah shout out to my modem first off for deciding to reset at the first off for deciding to reset at the first off for deciding to reset at the worst time um did you guess Old worst time um did you guess Old worst time um did you guess Old Rasputin uh we did not know we guessed

Rasputin uh we did not know we guessed Rasputin uh we did not know we guessed either a vodka soda or a barrel AED beer either a vodka soda or a barrel AED beer either a vodka soda or a barrel AED beer no I skipped the barrel age I wanted the no I skipped the barrel age I wanted the no I skipped the barrel age I wanted the old recipe and stick with the 9% instead old recipe and stick with the 9% instead old recipe and stick with the 9% instead of the 12 to of the 12 to of the 12 to

15 drinking light today you know yeah 15 drinking light today you know yeah 15 drinking light today you know yeah well I got plans so you know you don't well I got plans so you know you don't well I got plans so you know you don't want to get shitfaced at want to get shitfaced at want to get shitfaced at 5:00 that's why we do the show at 8:30

Wendy knows a couple of these breweries Wendy knows a couple of these breweries or or Dan um uh but tilted access got a or or Dan um uh but tilted access got a or or Dan um uh but tilted access got a silver in the American wheat beer for silver in the American wheat beer for silver in the American wheat beer for lunar lunar lunar Fallout um I believe that they have some Fallout um I believe that they have some Fallout um I believe that they have some good good good

so where where are they out of they're so where where are they out of they're so where where are they out of they're they're out of leir um for those who are they're out of leir um for those who are they're out of leir um for those who are in Michigan um depending on how you're in Michigan um depending on how you're in Michigan um depending on how you're getting North if you take 24 North getting North if you take 24 North getting North if you take 24 North heading towards the thumb um that's

heading towards the thumb um that's heading towards the thumb um that's basically where you're going to run into basically where you're going to run into basically where you're going to run into them up by uh them up by uh them up by uh 69 okay gotcha so middle middle of 69 okay gotcha so middle middle of 69 okay gotcha so middle middle of nowhere close to nowhere close to nowhere close to Flint I I wish I had looked into this Flint I I wish I had looked into this

Flint I I wish I had looked into this more um but in the experimental India more um but in the experimental India more um but in the experimental India Pale Ale broadleaf Brewery in Spirits Pale Ale broadleaf Brewery in Spirits Pale Ale broadleaf Brewery in Spirits one with something called Kumi lizard one with something called Kumi lizard one with something called Kumi lizard Invasion which if you're going to name Invasion which if you're going to name Invasion which if you're going to name

an experimental IPA that's a pretty good an experimental IPA that's a pretty good an experimental IPA that's a pretty good name for name for name for one yeah they're out of West Michigan one yeah they're out of West Michigan one yeah they're out of West Michigan okay yeah I'm actually gonna be in Grand okay yeah I'm actually gonna be in Grand okay yeah I'm actually gonna be in Grand Rapids on Wednesday I might drop by and Rapids on Wednesday I might drop by and

Rapids on Wednesday I might drop by and see if I can get some to give it a taste see if I can get some to give it a taste see if I can get some to give it a taste there you go um the Scotch ale um there there you go um the Scotch ale um there there you go um the Scotch ale um there was a bronze at Silver Harbor brewing was a bronze at Silver Harbor brewing was a bronze at Silver Harbor brewing for the wobby tra wobbly traveler that for the wobby tra wobbly traveler that

for the wobby tra wobbly traveler that was a tough one for me was a tough one for me was a tough one for me yeah that's uh that's basically right on yeah that's uh that's basically right on yeah that's uh that's basically right on uh Lake Michigan over in uh Lake Michigan over in uh Lake Michigan over in um Benton Harbor I um Benton Harbor I um Benton Harbor I think okay bring your concealed carry think okay bring your concealed carry think okay bring your concealed carry when you go to that

when you go to that when you go to that one I don't think you could bring a gun one I don't think you could bring a gun one I don't think you could bring a gun into a bar Dan oh into a bar Dan oh into a bar Dan oh sorry not in Michigan not in M yeah I sorry not in Michigan not in M yeah I sorry not in Michigan not in M yeah I was gonna say I I think if it you can't was gonna say I I think if it you can't was gonna say I I think if it you can't even have like a unlocked gun if you've

even have like a unlocked gun if you've even have like a unlocked gun if you've been drinking in your car like you gota been drinking in your car like you gota been drinking in your car like you gota lock that [ __ ] lock that [ __ ] lock that [ __ ] up the only reason I know that is my up the only reason I know that is my up the only reason I know that is my friend got arrested for having an friend got arrested for having an friend got arrested for having an unlocked gun in his car while he had

unlocked gun in his car while he had unlocked gun in his car while he had drank at a bar right drank at a bar right drank at a bar right before uh what other medal winners are before uh what other medal winners are before uh what other medal winners are there yeah I tend to like Scott jail so there yeah I tend to like Scott jail so there yeah I tend to like Scott jail so I might have to look for that wobbly I might have to look for that wobbly I might have to look for that wobbly traveler

traveler traveler sometime I'm pretty sure silver Harbor sometime I'm pretty sure silver Harbor sometime I'm pretty sure silver Harbor might be a brew pub um so you might have might be a brew pub um so you might have might be a brew pub um so you might have to actually go to the brewery itself oh to actually go to the brewery itself oh to actually go to the brewery itself oh that sounds awful um too hard that's that's right I awful um too hard that's that's right I

awful um too hard that's that's right I grabbed uh Arizona as well um so the grabbed uh Arizona as well um so the grabbed uh Arizona as well um so the Contemporary American style logger I Contemporary American style logger I Contemporary American style logger I need to look that one up because that need to look that one up because that need to look that one up because that sounds like extra words um but that was sounds like extra words um but that was sounds like extra words um but that was

12 West brewing with their Zona yeah 12 West brewing with their Zona yeah 12 West brewing with their Zona yeah good good old downtown Mesa okay um in good good old downtown Mesa okay um in good good old downtown Mesa okay um in the urban spice beer that's one this the urban spice beer that's one this the urban spice beer that's one this one's spelled out oh HS o Brewery or one's spelled out oh HS o Brewery or one's spelled out oh HS o Brewery or ooso Oso oo all right for

ooso Oso oo all right for ooso Oso oo all right for Sudoku um yeah they make some Sudoku um yeah they make some Sudoku um yeah they make some interesting beers they got a million interesting beers they got a million interesting beers they got a million locations around here this was their locations around here this was their locations around here this was their Gilbert or jilber location I don't know Gilbert or jilber location I don't know Gilbert or jilber location I don't know

how fancy they are in Arizona Gilbert how fancy they are in Arizona Gilbert how fancy they are in Arizona Gilbert yes okay like Gilbert yes okay like Gilbert yes okay like Gilbert Godfrey I gil Gilbert Godfrey I gil Gilbert Godfrey I gil Gilbert Arenas is he still playing basketball I Arenas is he still playing basketball I Arenas is he still playing basketball I don't know didn't he have to leave the don't know didn't he have to leave the don't know didn't he have to leave the

league after he had a gun or going back league after he had a gun or going back league after he had a gun or going back to guns again like had a gun in his to guns again like had a gun in his to guns again like had a gun in his locker just can't get away from Firearms locker just can't get away from Firearms locker just can't get away from Firearms might as well call this um you know it might as well call this um you know it might as well call this um you know it

brings a new minutes brings a new brings a new minutes brings a new brings a new minutes brings a new meaning to Barrel AED ah meaning to Barrel AED ah meaning to Barrel AED ah yes I'm gonna need more beer for yes I'm gonna need more beer for yes I'm gonna need more beer for that what else we got from Arizona uh that what else we got from Arizona uh that what else we got from Arizona uh we've got uh the international light we've got uh the international light we've got uh the international light

logger uh pedal House brewery they have logger uh pedal House brewery they have logger uh pedal House brewery they have their day Drinker light logger yeah their day Drinker light logger yeah their day Drinker light logger yeah downtown Tempe and Downtown Phoenix yep downtown Tempe and Downtown Phoenix yep downtown Tempe and Downtown Phoenix yep all right and then The Oatmeal Stout all right and then The Oatmeal Stout all right and then The Oatmeal Stout category which is kind of a cool

category which is kind of a cool category which is kind of a cool category to get a metal in they got a category to get a metal in they got a category to get a metal in they got a bronze uh gold waterer Brewing got for bronze uh gold waterer Brewing got for bronze uh gold waterer Brewing got for oats mots which is another great name oats mots which is another great name oats mots which is another great name it's a good one that's probably the only it's a good one that's probably the only

it's a good one that's probably the only one I've had on their they're out of one I've had on their they're out of one I've had on their they're out of Scotsdale okay so kind of around the Scotsdale okay so kind of around the Scotsdale okay so kind of around the state oh around the around the Phoenix state oh around the around the Phoenix state oh around the around the Phoenix area okay area okay area okay okay you could get all those breweries okay you could get all those breweries

okay you could get all those breweries in a matter of 20 minutes in a matter of 20 minutes in a matter of 20 minutes probably well that sounds like a good probably well that sounds like a good probably well that sounds like a good stopping without stopping without stopping without stopping I was going to say yeah the the stopping I was going to say yeah the the stopping I was going to say yeah the the one time I met Dan up in Phoenix we one time I met Dan up in Phoenix we

one time I met Dan up in Phoenix we didn't really get a chance to go to too didn't really get a chance to go to too didn't really get a chance to go to too many breweries because we did a live many breweries because we did a live many breweries because we did a live show at what was the name of the brewery show at what was the name of the brewery show at what was the name of the brewery in Tempe the shop the shop beerco which in Tempe the shop the shop beerco which

in Tempe the shop the shop beerco which you can go check out that episode and you can go check out that episode and you can go check out that episode and then we went to like this divey dive bar then we went to like this divey dive bar then we went to like this divey dive bar that I I remember you tell me like it that I I remember you tell me like it that I I remember you tell me like it was like supposed to be on like Kitchen was like supposed to be on like Kitchen

was like supposed to be on like Kitchen Rescue or bar rescue or something like Rescue or bar rescue or something like Rescue or bar rescue or something like that like the kitchen was that that like the kitchen was that that like the kitchen was that disgusting uh but the beer was cheap so disgusting uh but the beer was cheap so disgusting uh but the beer was cheap so we didn't care somebody else claimed we didn't care somebody else claimed we didn't care somebody else claimed

that someone else never tried the food that someone else never tried the food that someone else never tried the food there that was Tempe Tavern I was there that was Tempe Tavern I was there that was Tempe Tavern I was actually there a couple of weeks ago actually there a couple of weeks ago actually there a couple of weeks ago it's still the same it's just all it's still the same it's just all it's still the same it's just all college kids so yeah yeah between that

college kids so yeah yeah between that college kids so yeah yeah between that bar and the one bar over by the um bar and the one bar over by the um bar and the one bar over by the um basketball arena um that we went to that basketball arena um that we went to that basketball arena um that we went to that had like had like had like $6 $6 $6 Founders oldin better half yeah better Founders oldin better half yeah better Founders oldin better half yeah better half yes oh that's going to make for a

half yes oh that's going to make for a half yes oh that's going to make for a short night for me uh well we were we short night for me uh well we were we short night for me uh well we were we were taking public transpose so yeah it were taking public transpose so yeah it were taking public transpose so yeah it didn't matter at that didn't matter at that didn't matter at that point it's good pour yourself onto the point it's good pour yourself onto the point it's good pour yourself onto the

transportation and get you transportation and get you transportation and get you home I tell you what it's a good thing home I tell you what it's a good thing home I tell you what it's a good thing Dan was there because I probably would Dan was there because I probably would Dan was there because I probably would have got myself lost somehow oh easily have got myself lost somehow oh easily have got myself lost somehow oh easily yeah it's yeah it's yeah it's easy I am excited uh the the craft

easy I am excited uh the the craft easy I am excited uh the the craft Brewers conference is in Indianapolis Brewers conference is in Indianapolis Brewers conference is in Indianapolis next year so I am looking forward to next year so I am looking forward to next year so I am looking forward to that um next April yeah I know we wanted that um next April yeah I know we wanted that um next April yeah I know we wanted to go this year to Vegas um but as to go this year to Vegas um but as

to go this year to Vegas um but as things kind of transpired life happened things kind of transpired life happened things kind of transpired life happened you know it was kind of hard to really you know it was kind of hard to really you know it was kind of hard to really make the trip but I think next year make the trip but I think next year make the trip but I think next year we'll definitely have a presence um even we'll definitely have a presence um even

we'll definitely have a presence um even just to check it out walk around um just to check it out walk around um just to check it out walk around um maybe bring our audio equipment and try maybe bring our audio equipment and try maybe bring our audio equipment and try to do some uh video there some audio to do some uh video there some audio to do some uh video there some audio there get some fun content over there so there get some fun content over there so

there get some fun content over there so that'll be exciting since it's only a that'll be exciting since it's only a that'll be exciting since it's only a five hour drive or four hours now that five hour drive or four hours now that five hour drive or four hours now that I'm in uh Ipsy it's a one hour bike ride I'm in uh Ipsy it's a one hour bike ride I'm in uh Ipsy it's a one hour bike ride for me oh uh oh uh oh uh so that was that all the the medals that

so that was that all the the medals that so that was that all the the medals that happened in our three states those were happened in our three states those were happened in our three states those were the yeah those were the medals in the the yeah those were the medals in the the yeah those were the medals in the three states and I'll point out that three states and I'll point out that three states and I'll point out that Indiana won with five so we win you mentioned this year that there

win you mentioned this year that there win you mentioned this year that there were less entries than last year or were less entries than last year or were less entries than last year or recently why why do you think that recently why why do you think that recently why why do you think that is yeah I'm not sure there were even is yeah I'm not sure there were even is yeah I'm not sure there were even more more more categories yeah I'm not sure I don't categories yeah I'm not sure I don't

categories yeah I'm not sure I don't know if it was being in Vegas is it know if it was being in Vegas is it know if it was being in Vegas is it harder to ship to harder to ship to harder to ship to Vegas um usually when those types of Vegas um usually when those types of Vegas um usually when those types of things happen there are a lot of um things happen there are a lot of um things happen there are a lot of um benefactors like organizations that help benefactors like organizations that help

benefactors like organizations that help get your beer out typically Brewers get your beer out typically Brewers get your beer out typically Brewers guilds or um uh Distributors that work guilds or um uh Distributors that work guilds or um uh Distributors that work with other Distributors to get in there with other Distributors to get in there with other Distributors to get in there to where um because these aren't like to where um because these aren't like to where um because these aren't like

public facing drinking presentations so public facing drinking presentations so public facing drinking presentations so like you're not taking it to a beer like you're not taking it to a beer like you're not taking it to a beer festival or something like that like festival or something like that like festival or something like that like it's a lot easier to kind of do a oneoff it's a lot easier to kind of do a oneoff it's a lot easier to kind of do a oneoff um we've had a few of them here in

um we've had a few of them here in um we've had a few of them here in Michigan like we have World Expo beer Michigan like we have World Expo beer Michigan like we have World Expo beer obviously but when B nectar had their obviously but when B nectar had their obviously but when B nectar had their anniversary party and they had like um anniversary party and they had like um anniversary party and they had like um Cigar City before Cigar City was Cigar City before Cigar City was

Cigar City before Cigar City was actually here in Michigan they had Funky actually here in Michigan they had Funky actually here in Michigan they had Funky Buddha up here they had a lot of amazing Buddha up here they had a lot of amazing Buddha up here they had a lot of amazing breweries up for that one Festival which breweries up for that one Festival which breweries up for that one Festival which blows my mind that they couldn't sell blows my mind that they couldn't sell

blows my mind that they couldn't sell enough tickets to keep that Festival enough tickets to keep that Festival enough tickets to keep that Festival going year after year that is you know going year after year that is you know going year after year that is you know you you want to talk about whale chasing you you want to talk about whale chasing you you want to talk about whale chasing some of those beers that were there were some of those beers that were there were

some of those beers that were there were pretty crazy but I think that kind of pretty crazy but I think that kind of pretty crazy but I think that kind of takes back into the whole michiganders takes back into the whole michiganders takes back into the whole michiganders love their Michigan beer and only love their Michigan beer and only love their Michigan beer and only Michigan beer Michigan beer Michigan beer so um but I mean what any other thoughts so um but I mean what any other thoughts

so um but I mean what any other thoughts on that as to why maybe there's not that on that as to why maybe there's not that on that as to why maybe there's not that many beers getting sent to these maybe many beers getting sent to these maybe many beers getting sent to these maybe it's lack of marketing lack of money it's lack of marketing lack of money it's lack of marketing lack of money lack of time effort what do you guys lack of time effort what do you guys

lack of time effort what do you guys think well I know we've had guests in think well I know we've had guests in think well I know we've had guests in the past that talked about that at least the past that talked about that at least the past that talked about that at least for GBF if a lot of times even a brewery for GBF if a lot of times even a brewery for GBF if a lot of times even a brewery would get a cold truck and have people would get a cold truck and have people

would get a cold truck and have people bring their beer so they could get it bring their beer so they could get it bring their beer so they could get it out to it um as far as sending as I'm out to it um as far as sending as I'm out to it um as far as sending as I'm not quite sure um but also I pointed out not quite sure um but also I pointed out not quite sure um but also I pointed out if you go back to GBF last year there if you go back to GBF last year there

if you go back to GBF last year there was significantly less people there as was significantly less people there as was significantly less people there as well as far as you know the guests or well as far as you know the guests or well as far as you know the guests or attendees were so I mean maybe it is a attendees were so I mean maybe it is a attendees were so I mean maybe it is a sign that there are fewer and fewer sign that there are fewer and fewer sign that there are fewer and fewer

people drinking beer so and there is a people drinking beer so and there is a people drinking beer so and there is a cost to doing that to getting in there cost to doing that to getting in there cost to doing that to getting in there and getting everything out so that could and getting everything out so that could and getting everything out so that could play a part into play a part into play a part into it yeah the amount of money it costs for it yeah the amount of money it costs for

it yeah the amount of money it costs for some of these breweries to enter these some of these breweries to enter these some of these breweries to enter these categories like there's a a brewery a categories like there's a a brewery a categories like there's a a brewery a beer competition I remember talking beer competition I remember talking beer competition I remember talking about it I think on the show and like about it I think on the show and like about it I think on the show and like

the the person's out in like a house in the the person's out in like a house in the the person's out in like a house in West Bloomfield Michigan and like people West Bloomfield Michigan and like people West Bloomfield Michigan and like people just send the beers to him and it's like just send the beers to him and it's like just send the beers to him and it's like a $100 per beer to enter the competition a $100 per beer to enter the competition a $100 per beer to enter the competition

and you have to send in like a six-pack and you have to send in like a six-pack and you have to send in like a six-pack of each beer and like get it there and of each beer and like get it there and of each beer and like get it there and you know if you want it cold there you you know if you want it cold there you you know if you want it cold there you got yeah it's got yeah it's got yeah it's a how he does it it blows my mind I a how he does it it blows my mind I

a how he does it it blows my mind I don't know who it is obviously we're in don't know who it is obviously we're in don't know who it is obviously we're in the wrong game because we should have the wrong game because we should have the wrong game because we should have been doing this for the last day why been doing this for the last day why been doing this for the last day why aren we doing that the the better on aren we doing that the the better on aren we doing that the the better on

draft uh you know why because we don't draft uh you know why because we don't draft uh you know why because we don't have good pallets um and uh I am a have good pallets um and uh I am a have good pallets um and uh I am a horrible judge a beer speak for yourself horrible judge a beer speak for yourself horrible judge a beer speak for yourself I do I do speak for myself um you said we do I do speak for myself um you said we do I do speak for myself um you said we

I the Royal wi it could just be me I I the Royal wi it could just be me I I the Royal wi it could just be me I mean this whole show is mine obviously mean this whole show is mine obviously mean this whole show is mine obviously Jesus Jesus Jesus Bingo Square let's take a Bingo Square let's take a Bingo Square let's take a drink here come the one star reviews drink here come the one star reviews drink here come the one star reviews that's that's that's fine um have you fine um have you

fine um have you guys might as well just change the name guys might as well just change the name guys might as well just change the name of the of the of the show that would have been a great April show that would have been a great April show that would have been a great April Fool's joke is having like changing the Fool's joke is having like changing the Fool's joke is having like changing the name of the show and everything but I name of the show and everything but I

name of the show and everything but I feel like it would have taken me forever feel like it would have taken me forever feel like it would have taken me forever to like change it back and then I really to like change it back and then I really to like change it back and then I really would have looked like an would have looked like an would have looked like an [ __ ] oh man were you back I can't [ __ ] oh man were you back I can't [ __ ] oh man were you back I can't

remember Were You Back by your yeah you remember Were You Back by your yeah you remember Were You Back by your yeah you came back at the end of March that would came back at the end of March that would came back at the end of March that would have been actually pretty have been actually pretty have been actually pretty funny Ken's funny Ken's funny Ken's show I was gonna call it all about Ken show I was gonna call it all about Ken show I was gonna call it all about Ken

all about Ken oh that's even all about Ken oh that's even all about Ken oh that's even [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] better um what else has been going on better um what else has been going on better um what else has been going on within the craft Beard news has anybody within the craft Beard news has anybody within the craft Beard news has anybody gone to any breweries lately has anybody gone to any breweries lately has anybody gone to any breweries lately has anybody

uh had a fun experience they want to uh had a fun experience they want to uh had a fun experience they want to share with the uh the live listeners if share with the uh the live listeners if share with the uh the live listeners if you guys are listening live obviously you guys are listening live obviously you guys are listening live obviously feel free to chat in the chat rooms we'd feel free to chat in the chat rooms we'd feel free to chat in the chat rooms we'd

love to hear from you talk to you um but love to hear from you talk to you um but love to hear from you talk to you um but Dan I mean what what if have you been up Dan I mean what what if have you been up Dan I mean what what if have you been up to in the the world of drinking beer I to in the the world of drinking beer I to in the the world of drinking beer I mean I was at the shop beer Coast mean I was at the shop beer Coast mean I was at the shop beer Coast

speaking about them back on Monday and speaking about them back on Monday and speaking about them back on Monday and I'll tell you what if you remember how I'll tell you what if you remember how I'll tell you what if you remember how small that place is really small small that place is really small small that place is really small building a lot of outside it's not the building a lot of outside it's not the building a lot of outside it's not the first time I've been there in the summer

first time I've been there in the summer first time I've been there in the summer not really a great place to go oh not really a great place to go oh not really a great place to go oh still spring but when it's 90 plus still spring but when it's 90 plus still spring but when it's 90 plus degrees outside and they're having degrees outside and they're having degrees outside and they're having trivia and the place is pack just not a trivia and the place is pack just not a

trivia and the place is pack just not a good place you really need to have some good place you really need to have some good place you really need to have some of those misters or something because of those misters or something because of those misters or something because the only AC is in the building that has the only AC is in the building that has the only AC is in the building that has like 15 seats um but the beer is still like 15 seats um but the beer is still

like 15 seats um but the beer is still amazing you know they make that coffee amazing you know they make that coffee amazing you know they make that coffee brown both on we will never know we'll never know on we will never know we'll never know on we will never know we'll never know beer uh I mean Wendy what about you beer uh I mean Wendy what about you beer uh I mean Wendy what about you while uh Dan goes and um takes out a gun while uh Dan goes and um takes out a gun

while uh Dan goes and um takes out a gun probably and shoots his probably and shoots his probably and shoots his Moto well uh I got a chance to go to Moto well uh I got a chance to go to Moto well uh I got a chance to go to Cadillac Straits brewing for the first Cadillac Straits brewing for the first Cadillac Straits brewing for the first time um went to try their time um went to try their time um went to try their DGP girl or yeah the girls Pine out DGP girl or yeah the girls Pine out

DGP girl or yeah the girls Pine out um women's International Brew Day beer um women's International Brew Day beer um women's International Brew Day beer that was pretty good they actually had a that was pretty good they actually had a that was pretty good they actually had a gluten-free gluten-free gluten-free heison which you know it's a it's a heison which you know it's a it's a heison which you know it's a it's a wheat beer so how is it wheat beer so how is it wheat beer so how is it

gluten-free um it actually tasted pretty gluten-free um it actually tasted pretty gluten-free um it actually tasted pretty close to an actual he I was pretty close to an actual he I was pretty close to an actual he I was pretty impressed with it enough that I told impressed with it enough that I told impressed with it enough that I told people that I know who are gluten-free people that I know who are gluten-free people that I know who are gluten-free that they should go and give it a try so

that they should go and give it a try so that they should go and give it a try so I thought that was kind of cool did they I thought that was kind of cool did they I thought that was kind of cool did they say how they did they say how they did say how they did they say how they did say how they did they say how they did it I didn't have a chance to talk to him it I didn't have a chance to talk to him it I didn't have a chance to talk to him this was on like a Sunday afternoon so

this was on like a Sunday afternoon so this was on like a Sunday afternoon so if I had yeah if I had to guess when we if I had yeah if I had to guess when we if I had yeah if I had to guess when we had selman's on or no Brewery Becker on had selman's on or no Brewery Becker on had selman's on or no Brewery Becker on um years and years and years ago he um years and years and years ago he um years and years and years ago he talked about an enzyme that they add talked about an enzyme that they add

talked about an enzyme that they add into the beer that basically de gluten into the beer that basically de gluten into the beer that basically de gluten it so it's probably glutenfree but it'll it so it's probably glutenfree but it'll it so it's probably glutenfree but it'll still destroy anyone that truly has still destroy anyone that truly has still destroy anyone that truly has celiacs sorry guys I was busy shooting celiacs sorry guys I was busy shooting

celiacs sorry guys I was busy shooting my modem that enzyme I know a lot of my modem that enzyme I know a lot of my modem that enzyme I know a lot of Brewers that use it I'm pretty sure they Brewers that use it I'm pretty sure they Brewers that use it I'm pretty sure they used to at least batch put it in their used to at least batch put it in their used to at least batch put it in their beers too but I don't think it beers too but I don't think it beers too but I don't think it

eliminates all the gluten it does not eliminates all the gluten it does not eliminates all the gluten it does not know you cannot legally call it know you cannot legally call it know you cannot legally call it gluten-free Dan we're only laughing gluten-free Dan we're only laughing gluten-free Dan we're only laughing because we said that you could gun I because we said that you could gun I because we said that you could gun I could still hear you before that's why I did that uh when do

before that's why I did that uh when do before that's why I did that uh when do you went to Cadillac Straits had a you went to Cadillac Straits had a you went to Cadillac Straits had a gluten-free hea enjoyed it anywhere else gluten-free hea enjoyed it anywhere else gluten-free hea enjoyed it anywhere else you've been to lately uh no I did um go you've been to lately uh no I did um go you've been to lately uh no I did um go to my first study group for the to my first study group for the

to my first study group for the certified cicone exam and that was a certified cicone exam and that was a certified cicone exam and that was a very interesting experience I'm really very interesting experience I'm really very interesting experience I'm really excited about that is that the level excited about that is that the level excited about that is that the level above certified beer server or is that above certified beer server or is that above certified beer server or is that

for the certified okay yep I've already for the certified okay yep I've already for the certified okay yep I've already got the certified beer server so I'm got the certified beer server so I'm got the certified beer server so I'm working on the second level now how far working on the second level now how far working on the second level now how far do you plan on going do you plan on going do you plan on going Wendy um let me get through certified Wendy um let me get through certified

Wendy um let me get through certified server or server or server or certified cicerone and then I'll tell certified cicerone and then I'll tell certified cicerone and then I'll tell you if I'm going to go any further I'm you if I'm going to go any further I'm you if I'm going to go any further I'm really worried about the tasting because really worried about the tasting because really worried about the tasting because um since I had covid my senses are out um since I had covid my senses are out

um since I had covid my senses are out of whack and I've had to start of whack and I've had to start of whack and I've had to start relearning things so um I'm practicing relearning things so um I'm practicing relearning things so um I'm practicing tasting a tasting a tasting a lot lot lot shocker shocker shocker uh is the study group is that just a uh is the study group is that just a uh is the study group is that just a bunch of flights that you guys are bunch of flights that you guys are

bunch of flights that you guys are sitting around and drinking no there's sitting around and drinking no there's sitting around and drinking no there's we so I figured it out um there's 87 we so I figured it out um there's 87 we so I figured it out um there's 87 beer styles that you have to know inside beer styles that you have to know inside beer styles that you have to know inside and out because they could ask a and out because they could ask a and out because they could ask a

question about it um history SRM ABV all question about it um history SRM ABV all question about it um history SRM ABV all of it so um there there's a lot more to of it so um there there's a lot more to of it so um there there's a lot more to it there's five sections to the exam so it there's five sections to the exam so it there's five sections to the exam so you have to know um server stuff you you have to know um server stuff you you have to know um server stuff you

have to know food pairings you have to have to know food pairings you have to have to know food pairings you have to know about the Styles and you have to be know about the Styles and you have to be know about the Styles and you have to be able to do the tasting able to do the tasting able to do the tasting so there's a lot of information involved so there's a lot of information involved so there's a lot of information involved it's a lot of studying and it's $400 to

it's a lot of studying and it's $400 to it's a lot of studying and it's $400 to take and if you don't pass you have to take and if you don't pass you have to take and if you don't pass you have to pay to retake it to retake it yes yeah pay to retake it to retake it yes yeah pay to retake it to retake it yes yeah that is definitely uh an investment of that is definitely uh an investment of that is definitely uh an investment of time effort and uh money for sure uh but

time effort and uh money for sure uh but time effort and uh money for sure uh but uh when do you plan on taking the test uh when do you plan on taking the test uh when do you plan on taking the test um my um my um my goal I would love to do it at the end of goal I would love to do it at the end of goal I would love to do it at the end of the year but I'm I I gave myself a year the year but I'm I I gave myself a year the year but I'm I I gave myself a year deadline to take the test okay because

deadline to take the test okay because deadline to take the test okay because like I said it is a lot of information like I said it is a lot of information like I said it is a lot of information and I have to relearn so much of the and I have to relearn so much of the and I have to relearn so much of the tasting notes because of my senses are tasting notes because of my senses are tasting notes because of my senses are all out of whack still all out of whack still all out of whack still

um they did tell us that the amount of um they did tell us that the amount of um they did tell us that the amount of knowledge that you have to have from the knowledge that you have to have from the knowledge that you have to have from the certified server to the certified cyone certified server to the certified cyone certified server to the certified cyone exams is like going from kindergarten to exams is like going from kindergarten to exams is like going from kindergarten to

high school so the the CBS is basically high school so the the CBS is basically high school so the the CBS is basically a general knowledge test that a lot of a general knowledge test that a lot of a general knowledge test that a lot of even like beer bars breweries and stuff even like beer bars breweries and stuff even like beer bars breweries and stuff require you to have like if you wanted require you to have like if you wanted require you to have like if you wanted

to work at 8 degrees they require you to to work at 8 degrees they require you to to work at 8 degrees they require you to have a CVS um which the test itself I have a CVS um which the test itself I have a CVS um which the test itself I think is pretty cheap it's prob because think is pretty cheap it's prob because think is pretty cheap it's prob because it's online and everything like that it's online and everything like that it's online and everything like that

like $130 I got a scholarship through like $130 I got a scholarship through like $130 I got a scholarship through fermenta oh cool um yeah so the fermenta oh cool um yeah so the fermenta oh cool um yeah so the certified cicerone is like 800 total and certified cicerone is like 800 total and certified cicerone is like 800 total and then the the next price I think it's then the the next price I think it's then the the next price I think it's $1,000 for the advanced Cerone and you

$1,000 for the advanced Cerone and you $1,000 for the advanced Cerone and you can you have to do it at like a specific can you have to do it at like a specific can you have to do it at like a specific facility so if you actually go on the facility so if you actually go on the facility so if you actually go on the website and then master cicone I mean to website and then master cicone I mean to website and then master cicone I mean to be honest there's not that many Master

be honest there's not that many Master be honest there's not that many Master cicerones out there um and you have to cicerones out there um and you have to cicerones out there um and you have to do the tasting in person you can take do the tasting in person you can take do the tasting in person you can take the test online so if there's not a the test online so if there's not a the test online so if there's not a tasting offer a tasting exam offered in tasting offer a tasting exam offered in

tasting offer a tasting exam offered in Michigan I would have to fly somewhere Michigan I would have to fly somewhere Michigan I would have to fly somewhere else to do else to do else to do it that's not so bad either I know twist it that's not so bad either I know twist it that's not so bad either I know twist my arm right yeah you do like to travel my arm right yeah you do like to travel my arm right yeah you do like to travel it's the same with uh as as you guys

it's the same with uh as as you guys it's the same with uh as as you guys kind of know I I became a a bowling kind of know I I became a a bowling kind of know I I became a a bowling coach a high school bowling coach and coach a high school bowling coach and coach a high school bowling coach and you have to go to different states and you have to go to different states and you have to go to different states and stuff to get the different levels of stuff to get the different levels of

stuff to get the different levels of courses so sooner or later I'm probably courses so sooner or later I'm probably courses so sooner or later I'm probably going to have to go to Reno for a uh the going to have to go to Reno for a uh the going to have to go to Reno for a uh the next level I know my heart is that where next level I know my heart is that where next level I know my heart is that where the giant bowling alley like multiple the giant bowling alley like multiple

the giant bowling alley like multiple floor yeah reo's got a big one and Vegas floor yeah reo's got a big one and Vegas floor yeah reo's got a big one and Vegas does have a big one but what uh a friend does have a big one but what uh a friend does have a big one but what uh a friend of ours who was on like the original of ours who was on like the original of ours who was on like the original original episodes of betterer on draft original episodes of betterer on draft

original episodes of betterer on draft um Ryan Brown was telling me that a lot um Ryan Brown was telling me that a lot um Ryan Brown was telling me that a lot of those casinos are starting to add of those casinos are starting to add of those casinos are starting to add bowling alleys yeah a lot of the off bowling alleys yeah a lot of the off bowling alleys yeah a lot of the off strip ones had them already so if it strip ones had them already so if it strip ones had them already so if it

makes sense to get them on the Strip makes sense to get them on the Strip makes sense to get them on the Strip because the bowling is kind of coming because the bowling is kind of coming because the bowling is kind of coming back yeah there's there's a lot of back yeah there's there's a lot of back yeah there's there's a lot of places as well as when you have these places as well as when you have these places as well as when you have these online personalities like py uh Darren

online personalities like py uh Darren online personalities like py uh Darren Tang all these Bowlers Wendy I don't Tang all these Bowlers Wendy I don't Tang all these Bowlers Wendy I don't know if you're laughing at me which is know if you're laughing at me which is know if you're laughing at me which is fine I can nerd out no I'm laughing at fine I can nerd out no I'm laughing at fine I can nerd out no I'm laughing at the mustache on my cup yeah pretty great

the mustache on my cup yeah pretty great the mustache on my cup yeah pretty great um but these guys bowl out of Vegas kind um but these guys bowl out of Vegas kind um but these guys bowl out of Vegas kind of like how a lot of Fighters move to of like how a lot of Fighters move to of like how a lot of Fighters move to Vegas to fight out of Vegas so um uh we Vegas to fight out of Vegas so um uh we Vegas to fight out of Vegas so um uh we do have a question in the chat from

do have a question in the chat from do have a question in the chat from YouTube but I want to go with Rob real YouTube but I want to go with Rob real YouTube but I want to go with Rob real quick Rob have You' been anywhere I know quick Rob have You' been anywhere I know quick Rob have You' been anywhere I know you were you played uh Star Wars trivia you were you played uh Star Wars trivia you were you played uh Star Wars trivia recently St and we won on Star Wars

recently St and we won on Star Wars recently St and we won on Star Wars trivia on Tuesday yeah absolutely up at trivia on Tuesday yeah absolutely up at trivia on Tuesday yeah absolutely up at Traders Brewing my usual Tuesday haunt Traders Brewing my usual Tuesday haunt Traders Brewing my usual Tuesday haunt and we did trivia this Saturday before and we did trivia this Saturday before and we did trivia this Saturday before downtown at Brew link Brewing uh we did

downtown at Brew link Brewing uh we did downtown at Brew link Brewing uh we did not win that one but yeah those are my not win that one but yeah those are my not win that one but yeah those are my two Brewery experiences recently I uh I two Brewery experiences recently I uh I two Brewery experiences recently I uh I got a chance to host NFL draft trivia at got a chance to host NFL draft trivia at got a chance to host NFL draft trivia at uh bad brewing in uh Detroit there was a

uh bad brewing in uh Detroit there was a uh bad brewing in uh Detroit there was a mix of like people who came for the mix of like people who came for the mix of like people who came for the trivia and people who were there for the trivia and people who were there for the trivia and people who were there for the regular trivia not realizing it was NFL regular trivia not realizing it was NFL regular trivia not realizing it was NFL based trivia um but still the best team

based trivia um but still the best team based trivia um but still the best team name I've had and I mean this is going name I've had and I mean this is going name I've had and I mean this is going like with other groups too there was a like with other groups too there was a like with other groups too there was a team that they called themselves Sue team that they called themselves Sue team that they called themselves Sue girls one cup and I just couldn't say it

girls one cup and I just couldn't say it girls one cup and I just couldn't say it without laughing um but from the chat uh without laughing um but from the chat uh without laughing um but from the chat uh and I think all of us could probably and I think all of us could probably and I think all of us could probably answer this CU I know uh rob you come up answer this CU I know uh rob you come up answer this CU I know uh rob you come up to Michigan a lot uh just moved to the

to Michigan a lot uh just moved to the to Michigan a lot uh just moved to the Grand Rapids area what are your top Grand Rapids area what are your top Grand Rapids area what are your top three breweries in the area um I I'll three breweries in the area um I I'll three breweries in the area um I I'll kind of start I I'll I'll name two right kind of start I I'll I'll name two right kind of start I I'll I'll name two right away um three Gatos is definitely an away um three Gatos is definitely an

away um three Gatos is definitely an amazing Brewery especially if you're amazing Brewery especially if you're amazing Brewery especially if you're looking for true true to style German looking for true true to style German looking for true true to style German style beers like their Kish is really style beers like their Kish is really style beers like their Kish is really really good their food is very good um really good their food is very good um really good their food is very good um

and they're a little bit newer on the and they're a little bit newer on the and they're a little bit newer on the Block uh so you can kind of get in there Block uh so you can kind of get in there Block uh so you can kind of get in there and not have to worry about a crowd um and not have to worry about a crowd um and not have to worry about a crowd um and the other one which I'm going to and the other one which I'm going to and the other one which I'm going to have to remember cuz we just talked

have to remember cuz we just talked have to remember cuz we just talked about how they moved but Jaden James um about how they moved but Jaden James um about how they moved but Jaden James um solid underrated Brewery and Winery solid underrated Brewery and Winery solid underrated Brewery and Winery they're at their sister location right they're at their sister location right they're at their sister location right now uh but Jaden James is definitely one now uh but Jaden James is definitely one

now uh but Jaden James is definitely one but uh Rob I mean you come up to Grand but uh Rob I mean you come up to Grand but uh Rob I mean you come up to Grand Rapids once or twice a year what's your Rapids once or twice a year what's your Rapids once or twice a year what's your your favorites that you like to go to your favorites that you like to go to your favorites that you like to go to yeah so to kind of couch that I I'm yeah so to kind of couch that I I'm yeah so to kind of couch that I I'm

always at the convention center they always at the convention center they always at the convention center they they do a board game thing I highly they do a board game thing I highly they do a board game thing I highly recommend it U Grand con um Labor Day recommend it U Grand con um Labor Day recommend it U Grand con um Labor Day weekend at the Betty Voss Convention weekend at the Betty Voss Convention weekend at the Betty Voss Convention Center there it's really fun um but so

Center there it's really fun um but so Center there it's really fun um but so we stay generally within walking we stay generally within walking we stay generally within walking distance um sort of uh but there's on distance um sort of uh but there's on distance um sort of uh but there's on the main drag right by the convention the main drag right by the convention the main drag right by the convention center if you had AC cross the river is center if you had AC cross the river is

center if you had AC cross the river is a German restaurant uh whose name I wish a German restaurant uh whose name I wish a German restaurant uh whose name I wish I could remember right now but they make I could remember right now but they make I could remember right now but they make their own beer also good German style their own beer also good German style their own beer also good German style beer within walking distance to the beer within walking distance to the

beer within walking distance to the convention center so it has that going convention center so it has that going convention center so it has that going for it um and it's part of the social for it um and it's part of the social for it um and it's part of the social District so you can get your beers to go District so you can get your beers to go District so you can get your beers to go and then go drink with uh with Geraldine and then go drink with uh with Geraldine

and then go drink with uh with Geraldine Ford if you wanted to or Betty Ford Ford if you wanted to or Betty Ford Ford if you wanted to or Betty Ford rather I guess it's Betty Ford over rather I guess it's Betty Ford over rather I guess it's Betty Ford over there uh in front of the the there uh in front of the the there uh in front of the the library um and there is well there's a library um and there is well there's a library um and there is well there's a Jolly Pumpkin there's a um um New

Jolly Pumpkin there's a um um New Jolly Pumpkin there's a um um New Holland um brw Pub in that area too uh Holland um brw Pub in that area too uh Holland um brw Pub in that area too uh and bit farther north it's a long walk and bit farther north it's a long walk and bit farther north it's a long walk but we've done it um is the Mitten and but we've done it um is the Mitten and but we've done it um is the Mitten and they do pizza flights and beer flights they do pizza flights and beer flights

they do pizza flights and beer flights and I P amazing yeah they do good cool and I P amazing yeah they do good cool and I P amazing yeah they do good cool toppings on their pizzas too they also toppings on their pizzas too they also toppings on their pizzas too they also have the peanut peanuts and Cracker Jack have the peanut peanuts and Cracker Jack have the peanut peanuts and Cracker Jack which is which is which is amazing I would have listed M mittens amazing I would have listed M mittens

amazing I would have listed M mittens too if you hadn't done it well we lost hear I was gonna say it well we lost hear I was gonna say it well we lost hear I was gonna say what about you Wendy uh so uh cityu for what about you Wendy uh so uh cityu for what about you Wendy uh so uh cityu for one definitely go there their food is one definitely go there their food is one definitely go there their food is amazing their beer is amazing I can't amazing their beer is amazing I can't

amazing their beer is amazing I can't say enough good things about them I say enough good things about them I say enough good things about them I believe they're still in part of the believe they're still in part of the believe they're still in part of the district where you can take your beer district where you can take your beer district where you can take your beer outside too I don't know if that's still outside too I don't know if that's still outside too I don't know if that's still

there it's been a little while since there it's been a little while since there it's been a little while since I've actually got to drink beer in the I've actually got to drink beer in the I've actually got to drink beer in the brewery um I also really like Lost Art brewery um I also really like Lost Art brewery um I also really like Lost Art which is a little bit outside of Grand which is a little bit outside of Grand which is a little bit outside of Grand Rapids it's in Walker but it's it's

Rapids it's in Walker but it's it's Rapids it's in Walker but it's it's right there Grand Rapids adjacent um and right there Grand Rapids adjacent um and right there Grand Rapids adjacent um and pink Barrel pink Barrel pink Barrel sellers they have some sleepy good beers sellers they have some sleepy good beers sellers they have some sleepy good beers man they're they it was man they're they it was man they're they it was a what was it a a what was it a a what was it a

pomegranate not a pomegranate pomegranate not a pomegranate pomegranate not a pomegranate triple they had a a beer there that was triple they had a a beer there that was triple they had a a beer there that was so delicious I kept going back for it at so delicious I kept going back for it at so delicious I kept going back for it at the summer beer the summer beer the summer beer festival it was so good so I they're festival it was so good so I they're festival it was so good so I they're

sleepy you don't they have like a farm sleepy you don't they have like a farm sleepy you don't they have like a farm and a little restaurant there and you and a little restaurant there and you and a little restaurant there and you can get fresh donuts and it's a really can get fresh donuts and it's a really can get fresh donuts and it's a really cool place to go and their beer was cool place to go and their beer was cool place to go and their beer was really good so I would suggest heading

really good so I would suggest heading really good so I would suggest heading there and they're right down the street there and they're right down the street there and they're right down the street from PN from PN from PN so Dan what about you it's been a minute so Dan what about you it's been a minute so Dan what about you it's been a minute probably since you've been to the Grand probably since you've been to the Grand probably since you've been to the Grand Rapids Rapids Rapids

area you're muted Dan yeah pulling a can area you're muted Dan yeah pulling a can area you're muted Dan yeah pulling a can I had to actually um Google which I had to actually um Google which I had to actually um Google which breweries are out there to tell you breweries are out there to tell you breweries are out there to tell you which ones I like first off I agree with which ones I like first off I agree with which ones I like first off I agree with Rob The Mitten shout out to Jeff

Rob The Mitten shout out to Jeff Rob The Mitten shout out to Jeff Williams making some good beer out there Williams making some good beer out there Williams making some good beer out there um Brewery Vivant they had that hoppy um Brewery Vivant they had that hoppy um Brewery Vivant they had that hoppy red they've all I don't know if they red they've all I don't know if they red they've all I don't know if they still make it can do you remember the still make it can do you remember the

still make it can do you remember the name of it yeah the big red [ __ ] big red name of it yeah the big red [ __ ] big red name of it yeah the big red [ __ ] big red [ __ ] yeah I just wanted you to say it [ __ ] yeah I just wanted you to say it [ __ ] yeah I just wanted you to say it and then and then and then and then you're gonna hate me but and then you're gonna hate me but and then you're gonna hate me but Founders they make I sorry they make Founders they make I sorry they make

Founders they make I sorry they make really good really good really good beer I mean I don't think anybody beer I mean I don't think anybody beer I mean I don't think anybody disagrees with the quality of beer disagrees with the quality of beer disagrees with the quality of beer Founders makes I think people disagree Founders makes I think people disagree Founders makes I think people disagree with the quality of business decisions with the quality of business decisions

with the quality of business decisions Founders makes right um the other are Founders makes right um the other are Founders makes right um the other are also an easy walk from the convention also an easy walk from the convention also an easy walk from the convention center yeah the the other one that I center yeah the the other one that I center yeah the the other one that I wanted to mention which is kind of off wanted to mention which is kind of off wanted to mention which is kind of off

the not off the beaten path but the not off the beaten path but the not off the beaten path but speciation um which is out there as well speciation um which is out there as well speciation um which is out there as well they make amazing wild alses over there they make amazing wild alses over there they make amazing wild alses over there um great wine great selections um but to um great wine great selections um but to um great wine great selections um but to be honest I really don't think there's

be honest I really don't think there's be honest I really don't think there's any bad breweries out in that area like any bad breweries out in that area like any bad breweries out in that area like the the venue and the area itself as the the venue and the area itself as the the venue and the area itself as well as when you get a little bit and well as when you get a little bit and well as when you get a little bit and like sprawling like you go south and you

like sprawling like you go south and you like sprawling like you go south and you got Brass Ring you go north and you've got Brass Ring you go north and you've got Brass Ring you go north and you've got um Cedar Springs uh you know you got um Cedar Springs uh you know you got um Cedar Springs uh you know you start moving towards Walker and there's start moving towards Walker and there's start moving towards Walker and there's more Bree and Walker um that's where

more Bree and Walker um that's where more Bree and Walker um that's where lostart is by the way um which I don't lostart is by the way um which I don't lostart is by the way um which I don't if you follow Lost Art on Instagram but if you follow Lost Art on Instagram but if you follow Lost Art on Instagram but like half the stuff that they post up like half the stuff that they post up like half the stuff that they post up there look don't even look like beer there look don't even look like beer

there look don't even look like beer they look like something from a um Jamba they look like something from a um Jamba they look like something from a um Jamba Juice like it's so colorful and so thick Juice like it's so colorful and so thick Juice like it's so colorful and so thick and I'm like how is this beer and I'm like how is this beer and I'm like how is this beer um I do have some speciation in my um I do have some speciation in my um I do have some speciation in my

seller because every time I go up there seller because every time I go up there seller because every time I go up there I also manage at least one beer trade uh I also manage at least one beer trade uh I also manage at least one beer trade uh during the week we were we were crushing during the week we were we were crushing during the week we were we were crushing at the beginning of covid speciation at the beginning of covid speciation at the beginning of covid speciation

because they were delivering to us um so because they were delivering to us um so because they were delivering to us um so they would have like each day would be a they would have like each day would be a they would have like each day would be a certain area and you can get your beer certain area and you can get your beer certain area and you can get your beer delivered so we would get the delivery delivered so we would get the delivery delivered so we would get the delivery

for the arbor Ipsy area and you know buy for the arbor Ipsy area and you know buy for the arbor Ipsy area and you know buy two cases and then every you know two or two cases and then every you know two or two cases and then every you know two or three weeks they'd come in and uh try um three weeks they'd come in and uh try um three weeks they'd come in and uh try um through the chat uh we have mbone who is through the chat uh we have mbone who is through the chat uh we have mbone who is

in uh twitch saying City built uh got a in uh twitch saying City built uh got a in uh twitch saying City built uh got a 13-hour Imperial Stout in the 13-hour Imperial Stout in the 13-hour Imperial Stout in the glass Wendy Wendy knows it's good glass Wendy Wendy knows it's good glass Wendy Wendy knows it's good bats McGee says arvon Mitten and City bats McGee says arvon Mitten and City bats McGee says arvon Mitten and City built is his three um Chris Connor built is his three um Chris Connor

built is his three um Chris Connor saying beer and donuts you gotta come to saying beer and donuts you gotta come to saying beer and donuts you gotta come to the east side uh and go to Blakes um the east side uh and go to Blakes um the east side uh and go to Blakes um Blakes has amazing beer obviously their Blakes has amazing beer obviously their Blakes has amazing beer obviously their donuts especially if you come there in donuts especially if you come there in

donuts especially if you come there in the fall um it's a great place to be um the fall um it's a great place to be um the fall um it's a great place to be um a doughnut beer like Rogue is horrible a doughnut beer like Rogue is horrible a doughnut beer like Rogue is horrible says Ryan Clark um I know uh Blakes does says Ryan Clark um I know uh Blakes does says Ryan Clark um I know uh Blakes does make a doughnut beer but they also used make a doughnut beer but they also used

make a doughnut beer but they also used to at the beer festival if you got one to at the beer festival if you got one to at the beer festival if you got one of their beers would come with a dut so of their beers would come with a dut so of their beers would come with a dut so you could get a doughnut and beer on top you could get a doughnut and beer on top you could get a doughnut and beer on top of just the regular beer uh mbone uh of just the regular beer uh mbone uh

of just the regular beer uh mbone uh back is saying grey line is another back is saying grey line is another back is saying grey line is another great Brewery in Grand Rapids which I do great Brewery in Grand Rapids which I do great Brewery in Grand Rapids which I do agree and I think I don't know are they agree and I think I don't know are they agree and I think I don't know are they also a Distillery or is there a also a Distillery or is there a also a Distillery or is there a

Distillery I think right by there as Distillery I think right by there as Distillery I think right by there as well um which is uh really really good well um which is uh really really good well um which is uh really really good uh Chris Conor is saying going to uh Chris Conor is saying going to uh Chris Conor is saying going to speciation on Tuesday they have vinyl speciation on Tuesday they have vinyl speciation on Tuesday they have vinyl night there where you can bring your own

night there where you can bring your own night there where you can bring your own records to play oh that's amazing uh Dan records to play oh that's amazing uh Dan records to play oh that's amazing uh Dan you're for you're for you're for that uh have you have you bought that uh have you have you bought that uh have you have you bought anything recently we just had a um anything recently we just had a um anything recently we just had a um record day two weekends ago um after our

record day two weekends ago um after our record day two weekends ago um after our last show I don't typically go to record last show I don't typically go to record last show I don't typically go to record day because a lot of gimmick type of day because a lot of gimmick type of day because a lot of gimmick type of records at least I feel like that make records at least I feel like that make records at least I feel like that make people go get in line um I've got some

people go get in line um I've got some people go get in line um I've got some good hardcore records which is what made good hardcore records which is what made good hardcore records which is what made me laugh about that bring your own me laugh about that bring your own me laugh about that bring your own violent we'll have people jumping off violent we'll have people jumping off violent we'll have people jumping off the bar into the crowd before you know the bar into the crowd before you know

the bar into the crowd before you know it it it but yeah I've gotten some good records but yeah I've gotten some good records but yeah I've gotten some good records um some surprising ones from bands I um some surprising ones from bands I um some surprising ones from bands I never heard of and some really crappy never heard of and some really crappy never heard of and some really crappy ones from bands I never heard of um Meat ones from bands I never heard of um Meat

ones from bands I never heard of um Meat Puppets actually pretty interesting Puppets actually pretty interesting Puppets actually pretty interesting album I just got from them they have a album I just got from them they have a album I just got from them they have a newer album but other yeah lot of good newer album but other yeah lot of good newer album but other yeah lot of good things I don't know I should probably things I don't know I should probably things I don't know I should probably

start up the beer and metal soon can go start up the beer and metal soon can go start up the beer and metal soon can go over some of those I've got a lot to go over some of those I've got a lot to go over some of those I've got a lot to go through uh Ryan Clark is saying uh through uh Ryan Clark is saying uh through uh Ryan Clark is saying uh considering a majority of his vinyl is considering a majority of his vinyl is considering a majority of his vinyl is punk rock can agree with that um I I

punk rock can agree with that um I I punk rock can agree with that um I I just started getting into vinyl myself just started getting into vinyl myself just started getting into vinyl myself um and I guess this is more of a um and I guess this is more of a um and I guess this is more of a question for you Dan because I bought a question for you Dan because I bought a question for you Dan because I bought a a record uh it was a two two LP record a record uh it was a two two LP record

a record uh it was a two two LP record and both records were warped and unable and both records were warped and unable and both records were warped and unable to be played oh no uh you can try to be played oh no uh you can try to be played oh no uh you can try putting something heavy on him so we to putting something heavy on him so we to putting something heavy on him so we to try and flatten them we've tried the try and flatten them we've tried the try and flatten them we've tried the

flattening uh method for a different flattening uh method for a different flattening uh method for a different record which was skipping just the first record which was skipping just the first record which was skipping just the first track of the album um but for this one track of the album um but for this one track of the album um but for this one like I reached out to Dearborn music like I reached out to Dearborn music like I reached out to Dearborn music

shout out to Dearborn music I said both shout out to Dearborn music I said both shout out to Dearborn music I said both these record like these were new in the these record like these were new in the these record like these were new in the box like unopen brand new in the rap and box like unopen brand new in the rap and box like unopen brand new in the rap and everything yeah still in the wrap and everything yeah still in the wrap and everything yeah still in the wrap and

not working I'm like you guys got like not working I'm like you guys got like not working I'm like you guys got like this isn't my job to flatten the record this isn't my job to flatten the record this isn't my job to flatten the record I should at least get it um and I said I should at least get it um and I said I should at least get it um and I said well so so I was very nice because I I well so so I was very nice because I I well so so I was very nice because I I

did all that research too and I'm like did all that research too and I'm like did all that research too and I'm like you know I know there's machines that do you know I know there's machines that do you know I know there's machines that do it too that flatten it out a lot nicer it too that flatten it out a lot nicer it too that flatten it out a lot nicer that like apply heat and make it nice that like apply heat and make it nice that like apply heat and make it nice

and flat that's what you need and they and flat that's what you need and they and flat that's what you need and they said that said that said that go ahead sorry I was gonna say no they go ahead sorry I was gonna say no they go ahead sorry I was gonna say no they said that they don't do that but they'll said that they don't do that but they'll said that they don't do that but they'll um return the album and you can either um return the album and you can either

um return the album and you can either return it for the Same album which they return it for the Same album which they return it for the Same album which they didn't have another copy of uh so I just didn't have another copy of uh so I just didn't have another copy of uh so I just got store credit and just wound up got store credit and just wound up got store credit and just wound up spending another 50 bucks there while I spending another 50 bucks there while I

spending another 50 bucks there while I was there so I'm pretty sure they won on was there so I'm pretty sure they won on was there so I'm pretty sure they won on that trade in the shopping or in the that trade in the shopping or in the that trade in the shopping or in the shipping it probably had heat applied to shipping it probably had heat applied to shipping it probably had heat applied to it at some point enough to warp it like it at some point enough to warp it like

it at some point enough to warp it like that which is most likely what it was it that which is most likely what it was it that which is most likely what it was it was very sad because it was the 311 93 was very sad because it was the 311 93 was very sad because it was the 311 93 to03 greatest hits album which I had to03 greatest hits album which I had to03 greatest hits album which I had just started listening to the their NPR just started listening to the their NPR

just started listening to the their NPR gig for 311 day which they did a tiny gig for 311 day which they did a tiny gig for 311 day which they did a tiny desk and I'm like oh I want to go listen desk and I'm like oh I want to go listen desk and I'm like oh I want to go listen to this um you know listen to the music to this um you know listen to the music to this um you know listen to the music and own it so I bought it both albums or and own it so I bought it both albums or

and own it so I bought it both albums or bad like if one album was bad I probably bad like if one album was bad I probably bad like if one album was bad I probably would have just bit the bullet did the would have just bit the bullet did the would have just bit the bullet did the like um glass plates squeeze them like um glass plates squeeze them like um glass plates squeeze them between two glass plates put something between two glass plates put something between two glass plates put something

heavy on it and go yeah uh but yeah no heavy on it and go yeah uh but yeah no heavy on it and go yeah uh but yeah no it it did not after both them not worked it it did not after both them not worked it it did not after both them not worked I'm like there was something wrong with I'm like there was something wrong with I'm like there was something wrong with the print or something wrong with that the print or something wrong with that the print or something wrong with that

so yeah shout out to Dearborn music gave so yeah shout out to Dearborn music gave so yeah shout out to Dearborn music gave me full store credit didn't question me me full store credit didn't question me me full store credit didn't question me on anything they were just like you know on anything they were just like you know on anything they were just like you know all right no problem tell me what all right no problem tell me what all right no problem tell me what

happened um and it wasn't just one song happened um and it wasn't just one song happened um and it wasn't just one song like it skipped the entire time oh like it skipped the entire time oh like it skipped the entire time oh that's the worst I will tell you this that's the worst I will tell you this that's the worst I will tell you this easy way to find things like that and I easy way to find things like that and I easy way to find things like that and I know we're getting into music way too

know we're getting into music way too know we're getting into music way too much probably if you go on discogs and much probably if you go on discogs and much probably if you go on discogs and buy it there look it up and buy it there buy it there look it up and buy it there buy it there look it up and buy it there you're buying from like Independent you're buying from like Independent you're buying from like Independent Record shops where they just ship it to

Record shops where they just ship it to Record shops where they just ship it to you so if you can't find something on you so if you can't find something on you so if you can't find something on there yeah I've definitely have my own there yeah I've definitely have my own there yeah I've definitely have my own discogs account and have been looking at discogs account and have been looking at discogs account and have been looking at at stuff that I want to buy but I want

at stuff that I want to buy but I want at stuff that I want to buy but I want to make sure I save money to you know to make sure I save money to you know to make sure I save money to you know not go crazy into it it's easy not go crazy into it it's easy not go crazy into it it's easy to well what's weird is is that like I to well what's weird is is that like I to well what's weird is is that like I want to buy albums of like the old first want to buy albums of like the old first

want to buy albums of like the old first CDs that I got like you can laugh at me CDs that I got like you can laugh at me CDs that I got like you can laugh at me all you want I want to buy the fast ball all you want I want to buy the fast ball all you want I want to buy the fast ball all the pain money can buy album like all the pain money can buy album like all the pain money can buy album like great album solid music and I'm like oh great album solid music and I'm like oh

great album solid music and I'm like oh I just can't can't put my can't try to I just can't can't put my can't try to I just can't can't put my can't try to get into it Chris Conor saying sorry for get into it Chris Conor saying sorry for get into it Chris Conor saying sorry for the it's not a there there there hasn't the it's not a there there there hasn't the it's not a there there there hasn't been much in the Craft Beer World this been much in the Craft Beer World this

been much in the Craft Beer World this past uh past two weeks and without a past uh past two weeks and without a past uh past two weeks and without a guest um you know there there isn't guest um you know there there isn't guest um you know there there isn't really too much to be sorry for for sure really too much to be sorry for for sure really too much to be sorry for for sure I want up getting oh go on go ahead no I want up getting oh go on go ahead no I want up getting oh go on go ahead no

go ahead I want here because I just a go ahead I want here because I just a go ahead I want here because I just a pivot a little bit Yeah i w i w up pivot a little bit Yeah i w i w up pivot a little bit Yeah i w i w up getting uh Childish Gambino um uh awaken getting uh Childish Gambino um uh awaken getting uh Childish Gambino um uh awaken my love which is his newer album um my love which is his newer album um my love which is his newer album um which I guess he's actually coming out

which I guess he's actually coming out which I guess he's actually coming out with an even newer album here soon which with an even newer album here soon which with an even newer album here soon which I'm kind of excited for um and I want to I'm kind of excited for um and I want to I'm kind of excited for um and I want to say I bought one more album and I just say I bought one more album and I just say I bought one more album and I just can't remember what it is off the top of

can't remember what it is off the top of can't remember what it is off the top of my head because I just kind of kept my head because I just kind of kept my head because I just kind of kept playing that one album I playing that one album I playing that one album I bought so this I just thought of a beer bought so this I just thought of a beer bought so this I just thought of a beer topic we pretty good to talk about uh topic we pretty good to talk about uh topic we pretty good to talk about uh

using music and beer does the type of using music and beer does the type of using music and beer does the type of music you're listening to affect the music you're listening to affect the music you're listening to affect the type of beer you're going to type of beer you're going to type of beer you're going to drink and I'll go first perfect example drink and I'll go first perfect example drink and I'll go first perfect example if I'm somewhere like a craft beer bar

if I'm somewhere like a craft beer bar if I'm somewhere like a craft beer bar they're playing you know some house they're playing you know some house they're playing you know some house music some you know music like that I'm music some you know music like that I'm music some you know music like that I'm going to drink probably this something going to drink probably this something going to drink probably this something similar if I'm at like a hardcore show similar if I'm at like a hardcore show

similar if I'm at like a hardcore show or something heavy I'm probably busting or something heavy I'm probably busting or something heavy I'm probably busting out the PBR it's just that feel it's out the PBR it's just that feel it's out the PBR it's just that feel it's just kind of what you're in the mood for just kind of what you're in the mood for just kind of what you're in the mood for at that time especially if you're like at that time especially if you're like

at that time especially if you're like if it's like I was at the anthra show if it's like I was at the anthra show if it's like I was at the anthra show last year you know everyone saying last year you know everyone saying last year you know everyone saying you're too old to get in the mosh bit you're too old to get in the mosh bit you're too old to get in the mosh bit and people older than me were in there and people older than me were in there and people older than me were in there

so you know it's just that kind of event so you know it's just that kind of event so you know it's just that kind of event so I'm curious if that's the same thing so I'm curious if that's the same thing so I'm curious if that's the same thing for you for you for you guys are mosh pits still the same as guys are mosh pits still the same as guys are mosh pits still the same as they were when we were younger oh yeah they were when we were younger oh yeah they were when we were younger oh yeah

oh yeah hardcore if you've been to a oh yeah hardcore if you've been to a oh yeah hardcore if you've been to a hardcore show it's just as wild and hardcore show it's just as wild and hardcore show it's just as wild and crazy too so nothing's really changed crazy too so nothing's really changed crazy too so nothing's really changed and a hardcore show so I want to see I and a hardcore show so I want to see I and a hardcore show so I want to see I know it's not hardcore it's a little bit

know it's not hardcore it's a little bit know it's not hardcore it's a little bit more um Progressive but I want to go see more um Progressive but I want to go see more um Progressive but I want to go see Billy Talent but it was at the loving Billy Talent but it was at the loving Billy Talent but it was at the loving touch so you got a A small venue for a touch so you got a A small venue for a touch so you got a A small venue for a massive Bann in Detroit I know not not

massive Bann in Detroit I know not not massive Bann in Detroit I know not not everyall yeah the PO everyall yeah the PO everyall yeah the PO hall right these guys like you'll see hall right these guys like you'll see hall right these guys like you'll see 50,000 people at a German metal festival 50,000 people at a German metal festival 50,000 people at a German metal festival singing every single one of their songs singing every single one of their songs singing every single one of their songs

and then they come to Detroit which and then they come to Detroit which and then they come to Detroit which everyone knows them because of 89X everyone knows them because of 89X everyone knows them because of 89X because they were a Canadian import and because they were a Canadian import and because they were a Canadian import and like 250 people are at that venue I like 250 people are at that venue I like 250 people are at that venue I bought an extra pair of tickets when

bought an extra pair of tickets when bought an extra pair of tickets when they sold out those tickets in resale they sold out those tickets in resale they sold out those tickets in resale were going upwards of $500 these tickets were going upwards of $500 these tickets were going upwards of $500 these tickets were 25 were 25 were 25 I I gave not gave them I sold them at I I gave not gave them I sold them at I I gave not gave them I sold them at cost to a friend and he paid for all my

cost to a friend and he paid for all my cost to a friend and he paid for all my drinks that night so nice that was that drinks that night so nice that was that drinks that night so nice that was that was the was the was the up well I was I I bought an extra pair up well I was I I bought an extra pair up well I was I I bought an extra pair knowing if somebody will want to go like knowing if somebody will want to go like knowing if somebody will want to go like

a a friend or a couple or something like a a friend or a couple or something like a a friend or a couple or something like that or extra friend so I bought four that or extra friend so I bought four that or extra friend so I bought four tickets so me Julia um and then the two tickets so me Julia um and then the two tickets so me Julia um and then the two other people and like I posted it on other people and like I posted it on other people and like I posted it on

Facebook two minutes later they were Facebook two minutes later they were Facebook two minutes later they were claimed I said he looked up the prices claimed I said he looked up the prices claimed I said he looked up the prices cuz he's like oh there on sale you know cuz he's like oh there on sale you know cuz he's like oh there on sale you know maybe I'll go buy them and he went to go maybe I'll go buy them and he went to go maybe I'll go buy them and he went to go

try to see if the what the resale was try to see if the what the resale was try to see if the what the resale was and told me what the resale was and I'm and told me what the resale was and I'm and told me what the resale was and I'm like oh yeah I'll just charge you the like oh yeah I'll just charge you the like oh yeah I'll just charge you the $25 and he's like I'll cover your drinks $25 and he's like I'll cover your drinks $25 and he's like I'll cover your drinks

but for me I I don't know if it's but for me I I don't know if it's but for me I I don't know if it's necessarily the band I think it's more necessarily the band I think it's more necessarily the band I think it's more the venue I think the venue plays a the venue I think the venue plays a the venue I think the venue plays a bigger part as to what I'm drinking bigger part as to what I'm drinking bigger part as to what I'm drinking versus uh what I'm not drinking like if

versus uh what I'm not drinking like if versus uh what I'm not drinking like if I'm going to Pine Knob or I'm going to I'm going to Pine Knob or I'm going to I'm going to Pine Knob or I'm going to somewhere that's like an outdoor venue somewhere that's like an outdoor venue somewhere that's like an outdoor venue I'm probably going to want to drink I'm probably going to want to drink I'm probably going to want to drink something like a line and Google and something like a line and Google and

something like a line and Google and over on um because you're Outdoors over on um because you're Outdoors over on um because you're Outdoors you're enjoying the weather like that's you're enjoying the weather like that's you're enjoying the weather like that's kind of the the right so it doesn't kind of the the right so it doesn't kind of the the right so it doesn't matter if I'm listening to um you know matter if I'm listening to um you know matter if I'm listening to um you know

something heavy something light uh I something heavy something light uh I something heavy something light uh I think it's definitely more based on the think it's definitely more based on the think it's definitely more based on the venue than the the music itself what venue than the the music itself what venue than the the music itself what about um uh you Wendy yeah I well I about um uh you Wendy yeah I well I about um uh you Wendy yeah I well I guess it does depend on the music too

guess it does depend on the music too guess it does depend on the music too the venue has a lot to do with it the venue has a lot to do with it the venue has a lot to do with it because it's what's because it's what's because it's what's available um yeah tend to go with lighter stuff um yeah tend to go with lighter stuff um yeah tend to go with lighter stuff when when when we're at the bigger we're at the bigger we're at the bigger shows but I also am old now so I don't

shows but I also am old now so I don't shows but I also am old now so I don't sit in any general Mission seats like sit in any general Mission seats like sit in any general Mission seats like the $25 seats just came out for all the the $25 seats just came out for all the the $25 seats just came out for all the shows this summer and I'm like well I'm shows this summer and I'm like well I'm shows this summer and I'm like well I'm not going to get that like there's some

not going to get that like there's some not going to get that like there's some really good shows in there too but I'm really good shows in there too but I'm really good shows in there too but I'm still I'm not sitting on the lawn at still I'm not sitting on the lawn at still I'm not sitting on the lawn at Pine knb anymore I need a seat I need an Pine knb anymore I need a seat I need an Pine knb anymore I need a seat I need an awning like awning like awning like

the I went to see I went to see slipnot the I went to see I went to see slipnot the I went to see I went to see slipnot and um not slipnot Marilyn Manson and and um not slipnot Marilyn Manson and and um not slipnot Marilyn Manson and Rob Zombie on the twins of evil tour or Rob Zombie on the twins of evil tour or Rob Zombie on the twins of evil tour or whatever and when Rob Zombie came on whatever and when Rob Zombie came on whatever and when Rob Zombie came on

this guy we were at the bottom of the this guy we were at the bottom of the this guy we were at the bottom of the hill and this guy like went crazy and hill and this guy like went crazy and hill and this guy like went crazy and totally just ran right into me with his totally just ran right into me with his totally just ran right into me with his full cup of beer and just soaked and it full cup of beer and just soaked and it full cup of beer and just soaked and it was like it was the it was very

was like it was the it was very was like it was the it was very beginning beginning beginning and it was maybe it was Marilyn Manson and it was maybe it was Marilyn Manson and it was maybe it was Marilyn Manson but it was October so it's [ __ ] cold but it was October so it's [ __ ] cold but it was October so it's [ __ ] cold now my sweatshirt's soaking wet I smell now my sweatshirt's soaking wet I smell now my sweatshirt's soaking wet I smell like beer and I was super cranky nope I

like beer and I was super cranky nope I like beer and I was super cranky nope I need a seat now I'm too I get too cranky need a seat now I'm too I get too cranky need a seat now I'm too I get too cranky I don't want to get in a fight with anybody real quick real quick we Wendy anybody real quick real quick we Wendy anybody real quick real quick we Wendy we already established Ken's the oldest we already established Ken's the oldest we already established Ken's the oldest

person here because remember he's G to person here because remember he's G to person here because remember he's G to be in his bathrobe in the garage after be in his bathrobe in the garage after be in his bathrobe in the garage after this just sitting around that's true this just sitting around that's true this just sitting around that's true well you sit in on the lawn though Ken well you sit in on the lawn though Ken well you sit in on the lawn though Ken

you guys so I went to see the um the New you guys so I went to see the um the New you guys so I went to see the um the New Found Glory simple PL some 41 Offspring Found Glory simple PL some 41 Offspring Found Glory simple PL some 41 Offspring like back-to-back shows one was at like back-to-back shows one was at like back-to-back shows one was at Sterling Heights one was at Pine Knob uh Sterling Heights one was at Pine Knob uh Sterling Heights one was at Pine Knob uh

I had seats for both um yeah I was not I had seats for both um yeah I was not I had seats for both um yeah I was not [ __ ] with the lawn um I I already [ __ ] with the lawn um I I already [ __ ] with the lawn um I I already have a bad back um so that kind of stuff have a bad back um so that kind of stuff have a bad back um so that kind of stuff is just not going to uh do it for me so is just not going to uh do it for me so is just not going to uh do it for me so

I had fallen down the hill one too many I had fallen down the hill one too many I had fallen down the hill one too many times man I haven't fallen down the hill times man I haven't fallen down the hill times man I haven't fallen down the hill but the last time I did go on the hill I but the last time I did go on the hill I but the last time I did go on the hill I saw like Bare Naked Ladies and like just saw like Bare Naked Ladies and like just saw like Bare Naked Ladies and like just

the angle that you're at is just such a the angle that you're at is just such a the angle that you're at is just such a weird angle when you're sitting and you weird angle when you're sitting and you weird angle when you're sitting and you just can't get comfortable I have a just can't get comfortable I have a just can't get comfortable I have a really funny story about Bare Naked really funny story about Bare Naked really funny story about Bare Naked Ladies at PAB okay I was like the band

Ladies at PAB okay I was like the band Ladies at PAB okay I was like the band or yeah so we went to see um somebody or yeah so we went to see um somebody or yeah so we went to see um somebody else it was like Matchbox 20 or else it was like Matchbox 20 or else it was like Matchbox 20 or something like that and we sat on the something like that and we sat on the something like that and we sat on the hill and the grass was hill and the grass was hill and the grass was

beautiful the next weekend Marilyn beautiful the next weekend Marilyn beautiful the next weekend Marilyn Manson was Manson was Manson was there the following weekend the bare there the following weekend the bare there the following weekend the bare naked ladies were there and we went to naked ladies were there and we went to naked ladies were there and we went to see the Bare Naked Ladies and there was see the Bare Naked Ladies and there was see the Bare Naked Ladies and there was

no grass whatsoever in the hill it was no grass whatsoever in the hill it was no grass whatsoever in the hill it was completely gone after that marn Manson completely gone after that marn Manson completely gone after that marn Manson concert I think that was the one where concert I think that was the one where concert I think that was the one where he actually got in trouble for putting he actually got in trouble for putting he actually got in trouble for putting his junk on the security

his junk on the security his junk on the security guard I don't remember hearing that but guard I don't remember hearing that but guard I don't remember hearing that but that's that's definitely believable so that's that's definitely believable so that's that's definitely believable so when when they would do that metal show when when they would do that metal show when when they would do that metal show at Pine Knob every year where they would at Pine Knob every year where they would

at Pine Knob every year where they would have like a couple stages and have a have like a couple stages and have a have like a couple stages and have a bunch of music playing like that's bunch of music playing like that's bunch of music playing like that's usually when the lawn gets completely usually when the lawn gets completely usually when the lawn gets completely destroyed and messed up because they've destroyed and messed up because they've destroyed and messed up because they've

got so many people there listening um got so many people there listening um got so many people there listening um but yeah I'm with you like I'm I want a but yeah I'm with you like I'm I want a but yeah I'm with you like I'm I want a seat um I don't want general admission I seat um I don't want general admission I seat um I don't want general admission I I got general admission for Billy Talon I got general admission for Billy Talon I got general admission for Billy Talon

I got in the pit um and I remember after I got in the pit um and I remember after I got in the pit um and I remember after one song I'm like keeled over out of one song I'm like keeled over out of one song I'm like keeled over out of breath like I how did I used to do this breath like I how did I used to do this breath like I how did I used to do this as a kid for hours at a Warp Tour we're as a kid for hours at a Warp Tour we're as a kid for hours at a Warp Tour we're

getting back to Ken's the oldest person getting back to Ken's the oldest person getting back to Ken's the oldest person here I mean I don't like like I here I mean I don't like like I here I mean I don't like like I definitely could see you in the pit but definitely could see you in the pit but definitely could see you in the pit but I not many people of our age uh are I not many people of our age uh are I not many people of our age uh are getting into the pit these days I

getting into the pit these days I getting into the pit these days I disagree with that especially if it's disagree with that especially if it's disagree with that especially if it's like a band from back in the day like I like a band from back in the day like I like a band from back in the day like I was mentioning Anthrax bands like that was mentioning Anthrax bands like that was mentioning Anthrax bands like that it's people older than me getting in it's people older than me getting in

it's people older than me getting in there I I think that's more the reason there I I think that's more the reason there I I think that's more the reason why I got into the pit with Billy Talent why I got into the pit with Billy Talent why I got into the pit with Billy Talent like you're you're the I'm the right age like you're you're the I'm the right age like you're you're the I'm the right age for that band at this time like that's for that band at this time like that's

for that band at this time like that's that's the you're you're Anthrax I mean that's the you're you're Anthrax I mean that's the you're you're Anthrax I mean that's when all you Gen X and uh you that's when all you Gen X and uh you that's when all you Gen X and uh you know people went to go see them is know people went to go see them is know people went to go see them is because that's the music you grew up because that's the music you grew up because that's the music you grew up

with Billy Talon's the music that I grew with Billy Talon's the music that I grew with Billy Talon's the music that I grew up with up with up with um yeah I mean [ __ ] that was like 2002 um yeah I mean [ __ ] that was like 2002 um yeah I mean [ __ ] that was like 2002 was when they came out that was 20 plus was when they came out that was 20 plus was when they came out that was 20 plus years they're almost ready to get into years they're almost ready to get into

years they're almost ready to get into the Hall of Fame the Canadian Hall of the Hall of Fame the Canadian Hall of the Hall of Fame the Canadian Hall of Fame obviously uh the Juno Hall of Fame Fame obviously uh the Juno Hall of Fame Fame obviously uh the Juno Hall of Fame Juno c music Juno c music Juno c music um um um Rob does a venue does a band change what Rob does a venue does a band change what Rob does a venue does a band change what you want to drink the venue would more

you want to drink the venue would more you want to drink the venue would more than the band I think um I don't get to than the band I think um I don't get to than the band I think um I don't get to many concerts uh it's just not the thing many concerts uh it's just not the thing many concerts uh it's just not the thing I normally do I have been tempted uh to I normally do I have been tempted uh to I normally do I have been tempted uh to go to carb day which is the huge concert

go to carb day which is the huge concert go to carb day which is the huge concert before the Indie 500 um before the Indie 500 um before the Indie 500 um and and and this here it's George Thor good is the this here it's George Thor good is the this here it's George Thor good is the headliner uh with blossoms as the headliner uh with blossoms as the headliner uh with blossoms as the special guest I know kid quill but special guest I know kid quill but special guest I know kid quill but ising

ising ising um so good so um so good so um so good so good I I've seen the Jim blossoms live I good I I've seen the Jim blossoms live I good I I've seen the Jim blossoms live I think it was I love the90s tour go tour go tour go on yeah so I that's it's what I'm on yeah so I that's it's what I'm on yeah so I that's it's what I'm interested in um but I have never done interested in um but I have never done interested in um but I have never done Carb Day even before I got friends who

Carb Day even before I got friends who Carb Day even before I got friends who go every year so I might just you know go every year so I might just you know go every year so I might just you know tag along with that tag along with that tag along with that because it seems like a lot of fun he because it seems like a lot of fun he because it seems like a lot of fun he always sends me pictures of the most always sends me pictures of the most always sends me pictures of the most

amazingly dressed people at Carb Day amazingly dressed people at Carb Day amazingly dressed people at Carb Day every every every year uh I I I guess probably I need to year uh I I I guess probably I need to year uh I I I guess probably I need to explain that a little bit this is explain that a little bit this is explain that a little bit this is Redneck Indiana um at the Indie 500 so Redneck Indiana um at the Indie 500 so Redneck Indiana um at the Indie 500 so

by most amazingly dressed it is honestly by most amazingly dressed it is honestly by most amazingly dressed it is honestly the most uh trailer Parky I guess you're the most uh trailer Parky I guess you're the most uh trailer Parky I guess you're G to I was going to say how many people G to I was going to say how many people G to I was going to say how many people with flannels with the sleeves cut off with flannels with the sleeves cut off with flannels with the sleeves cut off can you can you

can you there's a lot of that there's a lot of there's a lot of that there's a lot of there's a lot of that there's a lot of really small shorts on everybody um really small shorts on everybody um really small shorts on everybody um there's you know interesting sandals and there's you know interesting sandals and there's you know interesting sandals and yeah and and people do go all out for it yeah and and people do go all out for it yeah and and people do go all out for it

like to really feed into stereotypes and like to really feed into stereotypes and like to really feed into stereotypes and such um so there's a lot there's I don't such um so there's a lot there's I don't such um so there's a lot there's I don't know there's lots of groups out there know there's lots of groups out there know there's lots of groups out there devoted to they intentionally grass like devoted to they intentionally grass like devoted to they intentionally grass like

that even if they don't yes yes although that even if they don't yes yes although that even if they don't yes yes although I think some of the mullet havers um are I think some of the mullet havers um are I think some of the mullet havers um are dressed like that all the time well uh we do have another question from well uh we do have another question from well uh we do have another question from Ryan in the chat off of our YouTube page Ryan in the chat off of our YouTube page

Ryan in the chat off of our YouTube page again if you're listening via the again if you're listening via the again if you're listening via the podcast when we are live Friday nights podcast when we are live Friday nights podcast when we are live Friday nights at 8:30 PM you can catch us on uh twitch

January I I have many questions as to January I I have many questions as to January I I have many questions as to why you're coming to an arbor in January why you're coming to an arbor in January why you're coming to an arbor in January because it ain't for football because it ain't for football because it ain't for football um what are some better local dark beers um what are some better local dark beers um what are some better local dark beers Stouts Porters cream Stouts Porters cream

Stouts Porters cream ales that which one is not like the ales that which one is not like the ales that which one is not like the other yeah uh right uh well you know other yeah uh right uh well you know other yeah uh right uh well you know those those local dark creames um those those local dark creames um those those local dark creames um definitely get you uh so for Ann Arbor definitely get you uh so for Ann Arbor definitely get you uh so for Ann Arbor the first place I would suggest we can

the first place I would suggest we can the first place I would suggest we can leave that up uh is blue tractor I leave that up uh is blue tractor I leave that up uh is blue tractor I always love uh referencing blue tractor always love uh referencing blue tractor always love uh referencing blue tractor to come on Amazing happy hour amazing to come on Amazing happy hour amazing to come on Amazing happy hour amazing local Brewery you get ve because they local Brewery you get ve because they

local Brewery you get ve because they are a brew pub you get very good Brew are a brew pub you get very good Brew are a brew pub you get very good Brew Pub Vibes so you're going to get very Pub Vibes so you're going to get very Pub Vibes so you're going to get very solid um beers in there very German solid um beers in there very German solid um beers in there very German Belgian You Know You're your Stout your Belgian You Know You're your Stout your Belgian You Know You're your Stout your

Porters that kind of stuff they are a Porters that kind of stuff they are a Porters that kind of stuff they are a specialty Brewery like their sister specialty Brewery like their sister specialty Brewery like their sister Brewery Jolly Pumpkin which is all sour Brewery Jolly Pumpkin which is all sour Brewery Jolly Pumpkin which is all sour um after that uh moth fire is going to um after that uh moth fire is going to um after that uh moth fire is going to have amazing dark beers for you um they

have amazing dark beers for you um they have amazing dark beers for you um they also do a lot of West Coast ipas and New also do a lot of West Coast ipas and New also do a lot of West Coast ipas and New England ipas and stuff over there but England ipas and stuff over there but England ipas and stuff over there but they will get you the dark beers some of they will get you the dark beers some of they will get you the dark beers some of them will [ __ ] you up um because they're

them will [ __ ] you up um because they're them will [ __ ] you up um because they're going to be 15 16% beers so you might going to be 15 16% beers so you might going to be 15 16% beers so you might want to just get cans for the hotel um want to just get cans for the hotel um want to just get cans for the hotel um which uh blue that's it's not blue point which uh blue that's it's not blue point which uh blue that's it's not blue point what's what's the name of that beer

what's what's the name of that beer what's what's the name of that beer store Blue front uh blue front's going store Blue front uh blue front's going store Blue front uh blue front's going to be your beer store uh over there in to be your beer store uh over there in to be your beer store uh over there in an arbor to pick up singles and beers an arbor to pick up singles and beers an arbor to pick up singles and beers they also do Growlers to go um they're they also do Growlers to go um they're

they also do Growlers to go um they're not a brewery they just have a bunch of not a brewery they just have a bunch of not a brewery they just have a bunch of beers on keg uh to get Growlers to go beers on keg uh to get Growlers to go beers on keg uh to get Growlers to go and K tends to to haggle there with the and K tends to to haggle there with the and K tends to to haggle there with the with the I don't I didn't haggle at with the I don't I didn't haggle at with the I don't I didn't haggle at

bluefront I haggled at some it was some bluefront I haggled at some it was some bluefront I haggled at some it was some Podunk like Ipsy City Beer Store like Podunk like Ipsy City Beer Store like Podunk like Ipsy City Beer Store like not the township but the city uh that's not the township but the city uh that's not the township but the city uh that's where I go for my uh stuff um I'm trying where I go for my uh stuff um I'm trying where I go for my uh stuff um I'm trying

to think of like uh beer Camp I took Dan to think of like uh beer Camp I took Dan to think of like uh beer Camp I took Dan to beer Camp there you have a really to beer Camp there you have a really to beer Camp there you have a really good beers not very many beers they only good beers not very many beers they only good beers not very many beers they only have you know three or four at any given have you know three or four at any given have you know three or four at any given

time but they're usually like German time but they're usually like German time but they're usually like German style so you're going to get like an ESB style so you're going to get like an ESB style so you're going to get like an ESB an English mild and all beer that kind an English mild and all beer that kind an English mild and all beer that kind of stuff over there um other Ipsy Arbor of stuff over there um other Ipsy Arbor of stuff over there um other Ipsy Arbor

Ipsy ale house is pretty good Corner Ipsy ale house is pretty good Corner Ipsy ale house is pretty good Corner Brewery is pretty good plenty of great Brewery is pretty good plenty of great Brewery is pretty good plenty of great food over there um and Wendy I mean food over there um and Wendy I mean food over there um and Wendy I mean you're over cor Corner bre is Arbor yeah you're over cor Corner bre is Arbor yeah you're over cor Corner bre is Arbor yeah Corner Brewery so it's the same beer

Corner Brewery so it's the same beer Corner Brewery so it's the same beer that you're going to get at Arbor well that you're going to get at Arbor well that you're going to get at Arbor well do they they don't still have a they do they they don't still have a they do they they don't still have a they don't have the down they don't have an don't have the down they don't have an don't have the down they don't have an arbor T anymore yeah um home batsman G arbor T anymore yeah um home batsman G

arbor T anymore yeah um home batsman G mentioned homes um he they he said they mentioned homes um he they he said they mentioned homes um he they he said they don't always have Stouts but when they don't always have Stouts but when they don't always have Stouts but when they do they're fantastic I agree with that do they're fantastic I agree with that do they're fantastic I agree with that 100% I always suggest people go to homes 100% I always suggest people go to homes

100% I always suggest people go to homes in an arbor um I wonder what you mean by in an arbor um I wonder what you mean by in an arbor um I wonder what you mean by going through Ann going through Ann going through Ann Arbor like are you going to areas around Arbor like are you going to areas around Arbor like are you going to areas around it or are you just going to ant Arbor it or are you just going to ant Arbor it or are you just going to ant Arbor for some time uh because there's a lot

for some time uh because there's a lot for some time uh because there's a lot of brewes around the area um drafting of brewes around the area um drafting of brewes around the area um drafting table in Wixom has a table in Wixom has a table in Wixom has a Porter called a I think it's a porter Porter called a I think it's a porter Porter called a I think it's a porter it's a porter or Sal called a buzz it's a porter or Sal called a buzz it's a porter or Sal called a buzz

blanket most amazing beer I've ever had blanket most amazing beer I've ever had blanket most amazing beer I've ever had it's a coffee I think it's a coffee it's a coffee I think it's a coffee it's a coffee I think it's a coffee Porter so good um and I I'm not sure Porter so good um and I I'm not sure Porter so good um and I I'm not sure when their barrel-aged version of that when their barrel-aged version of that when their barrel-aged version of that comes out but I'm pretty sure in January

comes out but I'm pretty sure in January comes out but I'm pretty sure in January you should be able to get at least a you should be able to get at least a you should be able to get at least a regular Buzz regular Buzz regular Buzz blanket um Ryan Clark punchin Dragon's blanket um Ryan Clark punchin Dragon's blanket um Ryan Clark punchin Dragon's Milk I obviously I'm a huge fan of that Milk I obviously I'm a huge fan of that Milk I obviously I'm a huge fan of that um um um

Ascension when they do their when they Ascension when they do their when they Ascension when they do their when they do Sals they do it pretty well they've do Sals they do it pretty well they've do Sals they do it pretty well they've got all their Gorilla Juice got all their Gorilla Juice got all their Gorilla Juice variants so but those are all outside of variants so but those are all outside of variants so but those are all outside of an arbor so you have to venture outside

an arbor so you have to venture outside an arbor so you have to venture outside the city if you want to do that pumpkin the city if you want to do that pumpkin the city if you want to do that pumpkin is on my personal bucket list is one is on my personal bucket list is one is on my personal bucket list is one that I've wanted to go to for quite a that I've wanted to go to for quite a that I've wanted to go to for quite a while uh yeah there's no Jolly Pumpkin

while uh yeah there's no Jolly Pumpkin while uh yeah there's no Jolly Pumpkin is going to be all sour so if you're not is going to be all sour so if you're not is going to be all sour so if you're not into into sour it's not going to be your into into sour it's not going to be your into into sour it's not going to be your place to go he's going to be there for place to go he's going to be there for place to go he's going to be there for three days yeah I mean if you have a car

three days yeah I mean if you have a car three days yeah I mean if you have a car there's definitely plenty of places to there's definitely plenty of places to there's definitely plenty of places to go or plenty of pockets of the area like go or plenty of pockets of the area like go or plenty of pockets of the area like drafting table you can get to draft drafting table you can get to draft drafting table you can get to draft horse you can get to Ascension which is

horse you can get to Ascension which is horse you can get to Ascension which is all kind of in the same area uh Canton all kind of in the same area uh Canton all kind of in the same area uh Canton Brew Works is up there so yeah you're Brew Works is up there so yeah you're Brew Works is up there so yeah you're going to be able to find plenty of going to be able to find plenty of going to be able to find plenty of breweries with that um you know Stout breweries with that um you know Stout

breweries with that um you know Stout type beer um I would like I think bats type beer um I would like I think bats type beer um I would like I think bats McGee says homes I mean homes is going McGee says homes I mean homes is going McGee says homes I mean homes is going to be a coin flip if you go there it's to be a coin flip if you go there it's to be a coin flip if you go there it's most likely going to be all New England most likely going to be all New England

most likely going to be all New England ipas and sours ipas and sours ipas and sours um is null still open is what null no um is null still open is what null no um is null still open is what null no that's one that's the JY that's one that's the JY that's one that's the JY pumpkin it's jelly pumpkin there's like pumpkin it's jelly pumpkin there's like pumpkin it's jelly pumpkin there's like three ones that are all together there's three ones that are all together there's

three ones that are all together there's North Peak it's North Peak Jolly Pumpkin North Peak it's North Peak Jolly Pumpkin North Peak it's North Peak Jolly Pumpkin Grizzly Peak blue tractor Grizzly Peak blue tractor Grizzly Peak blue tractor no I don't know what else this is in no I don't know what else this is in no I don't know what else this is in Dexter it's called null but it's a Jolly Dexter it's called null but it's a Jolly Dexter it's called null but it's a Jolly

Pumpkin North PE and something else it's Pumpkin North PE and something else it's Pumpkin North PE and something else it's all three of them in one tap room and all three of them in one tap room and all three of them in one tap room and it's called null Tap House oh it's called null Tap House oh it's called null Tap House oh it's yeah it's where Jolly pumpkins it's yeah it's where Jolly pumpkins it's yeah it's where Jolly pumpkins Brewery is Brew houses so they um I

Brewery is Brew houses so they um I Brewery is Brew houses so they um I believe that it's actually a North Peak believe that it's actually a North Peak believe that it's actually a North Peak is the cream but it's is the cream but it's is the cream but it's delicious yeah there's there's plenty of delicious yeah there's there's plenty of delicious yeah there's there's plenty of different spots out in ant Arbor again different spots out in ant Arbor again different spots out in ant Arbor again

Blue Front is going to be Blue Front is going to be Blue Front is going to be your um best best place for drinking your um best best place for drinking your um best best place for drinking with your friends at the the house um with your friends at the the house um with your friends at the the house um I'm trying to think of the name of there I'm trying to think of the name of there I'm trying to think of the name of there there's a handful of really good tap there's a handful of really good tap

there's a handful of really good tap rooms out there in ant Arbor too um that rooms out there in ant Arbor too um that rooms out there in ant Arbor too um that you're going to be able to to find to you're going to be able to to find to you're going to be able to to find to get to you know try the different get to you know try the different get to you know try the different Michigan beers or beers that you can get Michigan beers or beers that you can get Michigan beers or beers that you can get

in Michigan um so that's that's kind of in Michigan um so that's that's kind of in Michigan um so that's that's kind of our suggestion again um we don't have our suggestion again um we don't have our suggestion again um we don't have too many like Stout houses or Porter too many like Stout houses or Porter too many like Stout houses or Porter houses in this area um you're going to houses in this area um you're going to houses in this area um you're going to get a lot of trud to style venues sour

get a lot of trud to style venues sour get a lot of trud to style venues sour venues and IPA venues um but yeah I I venues and IPA venues um but yeah I I venues and IPA venues um but yeah I I would say moire is probably going to be would say moire is probably going to be would say moire is probably going to be your best bet um for for beer as well as your best bet um for for beer as well as your best bet um for for beer as well as blue tractor um null's going to be great

blue tractor um null's going to be great blue tractor um null's going to be great just because of all the different uh just because of all the different uh just because of all the different uh facilities that they have um bats McGee facilities that they have um bats McGee facilities that they have um bats McGee does say which is the one thing that I does say which is the one thing that I does say which is the one thing that I do love about homes their coffee cream

do love about homes their coffee cream do love about homes their coffee cream ale is really [ __ ] good um so if you ale is really [ __ ] good um so if you ale is really [ __ ] good um so if you do go to homes they'll have that there do go to homes they'll have that there do go to homes they'll have that there um I think hearsay will probably be open um I think hearsay will probably be open um I think hearsay will probably be open by then but I don't know what kind of

by then but I don't know what kind of by then but I don't know what kind of beers they're going to have uh but as beers they're going to have uh but as beers they're going to have uh but as bone says just download the Michigan bone says just download the Michigan bone says just download the Michigan Brewery map app free for your IOS and Brewery map app free for your IOS and Brewery map app free for your IOS and Android it tells you where every single Android it tells you where every single

Android it tells you where every single Brewery is in the state of Michigan when Brewery is in the state of Michigan when Brewery is in the state of Michigan when they open and of course if they serve they open and of course if they serve they open and of course if they serve food if they're dog friendly um and if food if they're dog friendly um and if food if they're dog friendly um and if they serve other types of things like they serve other types of things like

they serve other types of things like wine spirit cider Etc so definitely go wine spirit cider Etc so definitely go wine spirit cider Etc so definitely go check that out uh we're going to be check that out uh we're going to be check that out uh we're going to be closing up shop here in just a few closing up shop here in just a few closing up shop here in just a few minutes thank you for everyone joining I minutes thank you for everyone joining I minutes thank you for everyone joining I

see we got 40 live viewers right now see we got 40 live viewers right now see we got 40 live viewers right now which is ridiculous uh love seeing it um which is ridiculous uh love seeing it um which is ridiculous uh love seeing it um whoever said to move the uh the show to whoever said to move the uh the show to whoever said to move the uh the show to 8:30 was a great uh decision it was

who made it um it's basically like you who made it um it's basically like you can find every single Brewery within the can find every single Brewery within the can find every single Brewery within the state itself uh Dan said his mic is state itself uh Dan said his mic is state itself uh Dan said his mic is broken so we could talk all the [ __ ] we broken so we could talk all the [ __ ] we broken so we could talk all the [ __ ] we want to talk about Dan right now he can

want to talk about Dan right now he can want to talk about Dan right now he can hear us but he can't respond he knows a hear us but he can't respond he knows a hear us but he can't respond he knows a gesture he knows a Gest he can give us gesture he knows a Gest he can give us gesture he knows a Gest he can give us the one finger salute he's just G he's just gonna type salute he's just G he's just gonna type salute he's just G he's just gonna type type in the chat to type in the chat to

type in the chat to everyone oh gosh um so we've got our everyone oh gosh um so we've got our everyone oh gosh um so we've got our episode tomorrow with Arctic Circle we episode tomorrow with Arctic Circle we episode tomorrow with Arctic Circle we might be doing a fun little episode here might be doing a fun little episode here might be doing a fun little episode here soon with the Rochester Mills team um soon with the Rochester Mills team um soon with the Rochester Mills team um

but with that in mind anything else that but with that in mind anything else that but with that in mind anything else that we wanted to talk about today I did I we wanted to talk about today I did I we wanted to talk about today I did I did check out um some AI to see if we did check out um some AI to see if we did check out um some AI to see if we could find some topics to talk about could find some topics to talk about could find some topics to talk about today uh none of them good so um I'm

today uh none of them good so um I'm today uh none of them good so um I'm glad AI is not gonna take our job glad AI is not gonna take our job glad AI is not gonna take our job anytime soon um because they were like anytime soon um because they were like anytime soon um because they were like what's the hot takes on recent craft what's the hot takes on recent craft what's the hot takes on recent craft beer releases I don't have any takes on beer releases I don't have any takes on

beer releases I don't have any takes on any beer any beer any beer releases ex I do have a quick question releases ex I do have a quick question releases ex I do have a quick question for everybody all right so a couple for everybody all right so a couple for everybody all right so a couple weeks ago um let's see who is weeks ago um let's see who is weeks ago um let's see who is it beer aici it beer aici it beer aici on was that Chris Bel I don't know if it

on was that Chris Bel I don't know if it on was that Chris Bel I don't know if it was on yeah he's from revolution was on yeah he's from revolution was on yeah he's from revolution revolution yep yeah so he I've had a revolution yep yeah so he I've had a revolution yep yeah so he I've had a reel come across my feed that was the reel come across my feed that was the reel come across my feed that was the top 10 most checked in beers on untapped top 10 most checked in beers on untapped

top 10 most checked in beers on untapped and I wanted to ask you guys your and I wanted to ask you guys your and I wanted to ask you guys your opinion on this opinion on this opinion on this because I'm going to read out the number because I'm going to read out the number because I'm going to read out the number the 10 and tell me what you think is the 10 and tell me what you think is the 10 and tell me what you think is wrong with this picture number 10 is wrong with this picture number 10 is

wrong with this picture number 10 is Zombie Dust number nine is PBR number Zombie Dust number nine is PBR number Zombie Dust number nine is PBR number eight is Sam Adams October Fest seven is eight is Sam Adams October Fest seven is eight is Sam Adams October Fest seven is big big wave by Kona six is two-hearted big big wave by Kona six is two-hearted big big wave by Kona six is two-hearted five is medell five is medell five is medell Especial four is Kors light three is

Especial four is Kors light three is Especial four is Kors light three is Yingling two is Miller Light and one is Yingling two is Miller Light and one is Yingling two is Miller Light and one is Guinness what is wrong with this picture yeah that's a lot of macros um and and so there is one user macros um and and so there is one user macros um and and so there is one user on untapped um who's on untapped um who's on untapped um who's uh kind of famous because Guinness is

uh kind of famous because Guinness is uh kind of famous because Guinness is the only beer he checks into and he the only beer he checks into and he the only beer he checks into and he checks into everyone that he checks into everyone that he checks into everyone that he drinks me is it's just a I I can't drinks me is it's just a I I can't drinks me is it's just a I I can't remember when he passed like 10,000 remember when he passed like 10,000 remember when he passed like 10,000

checkins or whatever but it's all checkins or whatever but it's all checkins or whatever but it's all goodness because he lives right goodness because he lives right goodness because he lives right there he's kind of there he's kind of there he's kind of legendary like they're in Ireland or legendary like they're in Ireland or legendary like they're in Ireland or they're yeah they're in Dublin yeah oh they're yeah they're in Dublin yeah oh they're yeah they're in Dublin yeah oh

see know that I would probably do that see know that I would probably do that see know that I would probably do that that would be funny yeah there's a few that would be funny yeah there's a few that would be funny yeah there's a few that I've seen on the pills ner that I've seen on the pills ner that I've seen on the pills ner uh Discord and Facebook page where like uh Discord and Facebook page where like uh Discord and Facebook page where like the same guy checks in Miller Light

the same guy checks in Miller Light the same guy checks in Miller Light every time he drinks a Miller Light he's every time he drinks a Miller Light he's every time he drinks a Miller Light he's got like five 5,000 checkins it's one got like five 5,000 checkins it's one got like five 5,000 checkins it's one beard one different like that's it beard one different like that's it beard one different like that's it that's the only beer is Miller Light and that's the only beer is Miller Light and

that's the only beer is Miller Light and it's 5,000 check and there's photos too it's 5,000 check and there's photos too it's 5,000 check and there's photos too so it's not like he's just trolling or so it's not like he's just trolling or so it's not like he's just trolling or anything he's literally drinking these anything he's literally drinking these anything he's literally drinking these Miller lights uh and and going through Miller lights uh and and going through

Miller lights uh and and going through um I remember one untapped was doing um I remember one untapped was doing um I remember one untapped was doing their their their uh um uh um uh um March draft March draft and they would March draft March draft and they would March draft March draft and they would talk about like you know the amount of talk about like you know the amount of talk about like you know the amount of checkins per um brand for a specific checkins per um brand for a specific

checkins per um brand for a specific week and that's how they kind of like week and that's how they kind of like week and that's how they kind of like went through the the process so like went through the the process so like went through the the process so like anheiser Bush would be one of the top anheiser Bush would be one of the top anheiser Bush would be one of the top ones and Guinness would be one of the ones and Guinness would be one of the ones and Guinness would be one of the

top ones and Miller cores so um I it's top ones and Miller cores so um I it's top ones and Miller cores so um I it's not surprising that a lot of people who not surprising that a lot of people who not surprising that a lot of people who utilize untapped I think they want their utilize untapped I think they want their utilize untapped I think they want their um you know their Badges and all that um you know their Badges and all that um you know their Badges and all that

stuff uh there's venue stuff that stuff uh there's venue stuff that stuff uh there's venue stuff that happens there too yeah yeah stuff I happens there too yeah yeah stuff I happens there too yeah yeah stuff I remember I used to check in every single remember I used to check in every single remember I used to check in every single Amber boach I would drink at mad Club Amber boach I would drink at mad Club Amber boach I would drink at mad Club when I was hanging out with Dan during

when I was hanging out with Dan during when I was hanging out with Dan during myun myun myun time I i' dink a picture of it and I'd time I i' dink a picture of it and I'd time I i' dink a picture of it and I'd check it in five check it in five check it in five times what about the beard Towers at times what about the beard Towers at times what about the beard Towers at um what was that bar on on the Rocks us um what was that bar on on the Rocks us um what was that bar on on the Rocks us

do beer Towers yeah gosh I have I saw a do beer Towers yeah gosh I have I saw a do beer Towers yeah gosh I have I saw a beer tower at a bowling alley last year beer tower at a bowling alley last year beer tower at a bowling alley last year and I'm like holy [ __ ] these things and I'm like holy [ __ ] these things and I'm like holy [ __ ] these things still exist um like I it almost seems still exist um like I it almost seems still exist um like I it almost seems

like just an entirely different world like just an entirely different world like just an entirely different world these days when people do like beer these days when people do like beer these days when people do like beer these beer uh Towers because nobody does these beer uh Towers because nobody does these beer uh Towers because nobody does that that that anymore was that World of Beer that anymore was that World of Beer that anymore was that World of Beer that

brings those out the giant the huge tap brings those out the giant the huge tap brings those out the giant the huge tap that they put on your yeah like it's that they put on your yeah like it's that they put on your yeah like it's it's like a two liter tap that goes to it's like a two liter tap that goes to it's like a two liter tap that goes to the the ceiling I know it doesn't go to the the ceiling I know it doesn't go to the the ceiling I know it doesn't go to

the ceiling but right um yeah how they the ceiling but right um yeah how they the ceiling but right um yeah how they fill that up blows my mind too cuz I fill that up blows my mind too cuz I fill that up blows my mind too cuz I could just see like some tiny ass we could just see like some tiny ass we could just see like some tiny ass we trying to fill it up like holding it up trying to fill it up like holding it up trying to fill it up like holding it up to yeah try not to break it um I I don't

to yeah try not to break it um I I don't to yeah try not to break it um I I don't know what toots McGee is saying toots know what toots McGee is saying toots know what toots McGee is saying toots mccog not toots McGee that's his mccog not toots McGee that's his mccog not toots McGee that's his password don't don't call it out is it really probably no I don't out is it really probably no I don't out is it really probably no I don't think so why would you we're gonna put

think so why would you we're gonna put think so why would you we're gonna put it out there it out there it out there tr's L If You're Gonna Want to log into tr's L If You're Gonna Want to log into tr's L If You're Gonna Want to log into anything from tootes mccog uh that his anything from tootes mccog uh that his anything from tootes mccog uh that his password uh oh uh King's gate so that's password uh oh uh King's gate so that's password uh oh uh King's gate so that's

Guinness so that's obviously the person Guinness so that's obviously the person Guinness so that's obviously the person who's checking in Guinness all the time I he's got our he's got our back time I he's got our he's got our back time I he's got our he's got our back looking up information for us and up on he's the engineer we never asked for on he's the engineer we never asked for on he's the engineer we never asked for he's what we wanted terara to be back in

he's what we wanted terara to be back in he's what we wanted terara to be back in episode five good times oh my gosh all right five good times oh my gosh all right five good times oh my gosh all right that's going to do it better on draft that's going to do it better on draft that's going to do it better on draft episode 346 thank you so much for episode 346 thank you so much for episode 346 thank you so much for joining us we will be off from being joining us we will be off from being

joining us we will be off from being live next week we will be back in two live next week we will be back in two live next week we will be back in two weeks with terrain uh that's right we've weeks with terrain uh that's right we've weeks with terrain uh that's right we've got Brian Bowski AKA Spike coming in got Brian Bowski AKA Spike coming in got Brian Bowski AKA Spike coming in here uh to talk about that um and then here uh to talk about that um and then

here uh to talk about that um and then we also have a New Zealand Brewery which we also have a New Zealand Brewery which we also have a New Zealand Brewery which we'll be bringing in here in uh I guess we'll be bringing in here in uh I guess we'll be bringing in here in uh I guess that would be four weeks now since we're that would be four weeks now since we're that would be four weeks now since we're on every other week um stay tuned uh on every other week um stay tuned uh

on every other week um stay tuned uh Wendy are you gonna be at World Expo of Wendy are you gonna be at World Expo of Wendy are you gonna be at World Expo of beer in two weeks I don't know yet I'm beer in two weeks I don't know yet I'm beer in two weeks I don't know yet I'm working on it all right well uh it's a working on it all right well uh it's a working on it all right well uh it's a really busy weekend because my parents really busy weekend because my parents

really busy weekend because my parents are coming home so well if uh if we are are coming home so well if uh if we are are coming home so well if uh if we are there make sure to say hi thank you so there make sure to say hi thank you so there make sure to say hi thank you so much for joining much for joining much for joining us now take your notes guys no matter us now take your notes guys no matter us now take your notes guys no matter what you think of your beer we think

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