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It’s that time of year for reflection, seeing what we have done, and what we want to do. Wendy leads the team in a discussion of some of our bucket list breweries, festivals, and beers we want to make sure we get to try and attend.  We talk about everything from music to TV in this casual episode where we get to learn a little bit more about each other.

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Transcript 

00:00:00 INTRO 

It's that time of year for reflection, seeing what we have done and what we want to do, Wendy leads the team in a discussion of some of our bucket list breweries, festivals and beers. We want to make sure we get to try and attend. We talk about everything from music to TV in this casual episode where we get to learn a little bit more about each. 

00:00:18 INTRO 

Other, whether your beer is in a bottle. 

00:00:21 INTRO 

can or Glass kick back and relax. It's better on draft. 

00:00:36 KEN 

Welcome to everybody, Episode 328 of the Better on draft podcast. My name is Ken. Thank you so. 

00:00:41 KEN 

Much for joining. 

00:00:42 KEN 

Us we truly appreciate it on this Friday. 

00:00:44 KEN 

The day before the. 

00:00:46 KEN 

Better on draft beer festival over at Jimmy John's Field. If you're listening live. 

00:00:50 KEN 

We hope you. 

00:00:51 KEN 

Do show up tomorrow. Say hi. We are gonna have some extra tokens to give you. 

00:00:55 KEN 

But let's go around first of all. 

00:00:57 KEN 

See what everybody is drinking. 

00:00:59 KEN 

Starting with our new host officially, Dennis, welcome. What are you? 

00:01:04 DENNIS 

Drinking. Hello. Hello. Happy to be here. I'm drinking. It was a present. It's the brand. This counter vice beer. And it's my first time. 

00:01:11 DENNIS 

We're having it tonight and it is fantastic. 

00:01:14 KEN 

And who brews it? 

00:01:18 DENNIS 

I can't read German. 

00:01:20 KEN 

OK, it's very, very German beer, Wendy. 

00:01:25 KEN 

What are you drinking over there? 

00:01:29 KEN 

Wendy, you're muted. 

00:01:30 KEN 

I I muted everyone and forgot to unmute. 

00:01:33 KEN 

You. There you go. Hello. 

00:01:35 WENDY 

So I picked up the Oberon Eclipse which is the new off season Oberon. I thought I'd be interested to see how it differs from regular O'Brien. 

00:01:49 KEN 

And how does it differ? 

00:01:52 WENDY 

It is a little more citrusy than the. 

00:01:54 WENDY 

Regular oberon. I really like the cane art though, like I would actually get that as a tattoo. 

00:02:00 WENDY 

Not that I don't already have the over on face. 

00:02:02 WENDY 

The tattoo, but. 

00:02:05 KEN 

Well, Daniel, are. 

00:02:07 KEN 

You going to be getting? 

00:02:08 KEN 

That tattoo of your beer and. 

00:02:09 KEN 

What are you drinking? 

00:02:10 DAN 

I mean, I wish I had a camera working this week. I would show you the picture on this. I've got a Beachwood Brewing mocha machine. It's an imperial coffee Porter out of Huntington Beach and 6th medal winner between GBF and World Beer Cup. It's actually pretty. 

00:02:26 KEN 

Well, I'm sure we'll be talking a lot about GBF World Beer Cup for our topic today, but first, let's go over what I am drinking. I have got a beautiful 4 elf from Dark Horse Brewing. It is in a bottle. So that's how old it is. Many, many years old. And of course, RIP. 

00:02:27 WENDY 

I hope so. 

00:02:45 KEN 

The original milkshake stout from Rochester Mills Beer company. 

00:02:50 DAN 

I mean our IP in a can let's be real. 

00:02:53 KEN 

I I I still have so many cases left of that beer. I don't know when I'll get through it, but I know I will get through it for sure it. 

00:03:02 KEN 

Is also the. 

00:03:05 KEN 

Winter Time Milkshake Stout seasonals the 12 days and milkshakes out. That's what I was going for so I have I think I got 6. 

00:03:11 DENNIS 

Cases of those. 

00:03:13 DAN 

Plus one for me still. 

00:03:14 KEN 

I think. 

00:03:16 KEN 

I'm guessing so, yes. So I guess I have 5 cases left. 

00:03:17 KEN 

I don't think I'm gonna drink them fast. 

00:03:21 KEN 

Enough to say that you're lucky, you'll. 

00:03:23 KEN 

Be lucky if they're still there. 

00:03:25 DAN 

I only like. 

00:03:26 DAN 

Half of them anyways, so it's no big deal. 

00:03:30 KEN 

Well, we don't have a guest this week as we are kind of resetting the show with our brand new host. But before we go into our topic, which Wendy wants to talk about today, Dennis, our new host, why don't you introduce yourself to the fans, give a little rundown about what you do, what kind of styles of beer you like. 

00:03:48 KEN 

What makes you tick? 

00:03:49 KEN 

In the beer. 

00:03:49 KEN 

World, you know, kind of give us a a breakdown, maybe a little bit about that link right under your name if you're not watching, of course, go to youtube.com, facebook.com or twitch.tv, I'll forward slash better on draft. 

00:04:01 DENNIS 

Hi. Well, thank you. That was a very awesome introduction. My name is Dennis. I am in Holland, MI. I have been part of. 

00:04:08 DENNIS 

The the the. 

00:04:10 DENNIS 

Brewing scene for a little bit, I suppose. Used to be a manager at a couple different breweries. Most recently was Guardian Brewing Company oversaw. We took and it was a great place to. 

00:04:18 DENNIS 

Be I no longer work there. 

00:04:20 DENNIS 

I am a health coach for a company in San Francisco. Now it's great to be able to work remotely, but I still still a big fan friends with everybody around here. I got a website itsthepinesizereview.com. It started as a joke and ended up being a lot of fun and people send me beers from all over and I talked about it and. 

00:04:41 DENNIS 

One thing I like to do instead of giving like a number rating like 05 out of five or something like that, you know like just. 

00:04:46 DENNIS 

Try and talk. 

00:04:46 DENNIS 

About what does it pair with? Right? You know this beer pairs well with a. 

00:04:50 DENNIS 

Hockey fight or something? 

00:04:51 DENNIS 

Along those lines, you know like. 

00:04:53 DENNIS 

Like it's very situational. It could be you know this beer. 

00:04:57 DENNIS 

Is really good cause. 

00:04:58 DENNIS 

Reminds my neighborhood, Bob, this beer is really good. 

00:05:00 DENNIS 

As it blew my mind, which is the way it. 

00:05:01 DENNIS 

Was made the flavours and stuff. 

00:05:03 DENNIS 

You know it's subjective and it should be in my opinion, but but that's just a stupid website from a stupid person and that's me. So, but yeah, what was the rest of your question? I have a dog. Her name is Lulu. She's a six month old corgi and she's in her kennel right now. Hopefully she doesn't make herself known. 

00:05:21 DENNIS 

Too much right now. 

00:05:23 

What? What kind? 

00:05:24 KEN 

Of beers are we going to see from your drinking while you're on the show? 

00:05:26 DENNIS 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it's wet, I'll drink. 

00:05:28 Speaker 5 

Yeah, yeah, I mean. 

00:05:31 DAN 

Fair enough. 

00:05:33 WENDY 

I like that. 

00:05:33 KEN 

Do do you lean towards anything like when you? 

00:05:35 KEN 

Go to the brewery and you're like, oh man, I gotta have that least IPA or. 

00:05:38 KEN 

I gotta have. 

00:05:39 DENNIS 

At least the stout I want. It depends on the brewery, right? What they're known for. I wanna try what they're known for when I'm going for the first time. I want to see what's going to be more seasonal. And then I'm probably going to. 

00:05:49 DENNIS 

Finish off. Something's going to make me forget something. But yeah, winners coming. I'm going to be getting his barrel aged stouts, right? I had a fantastic October fest the other day, which is what I'm leaning towards. 

00:06:02 DENNIS 

Mostly for the next month probably you know something a little bit more malt forward, but I would say I'm a a seasonal drinker, right? It's going to depend on what I'm what it is outside and what we're brewing, what's fresh. 

00:06:15 DENNIS 

Or what's not fresh, what's been aged a while depending? 

00:06:18 WENDY 

Scout winner only or all season. 

00:06:22 DENNIS 

Ohh all season right? Guinness. Guinness is your round beer, right? Yeah. 

00:06:23 WENDY 

OK, just trying. 

00:06:28 DAN 

No such thing as stout season. Let's get that straight, because by definition, then there has to be an IPA season and it's time to get those out of there if they're not gonna. If they're gonna pretend. 

00:06:36 KEN 

And you know what the. 

00:06:38 DAN 

There's a stout. 

00:06:38 KEN 

Snow season Dan. That means that there's no such thing as a pumpkin ale season. Give me pumpkin ales all year round. 

00:06:43 DAN 

That's true. No. Oh my God. No, let's not do that. 

00:06:46 WENDY 

No, that's not. 

00:06:47 WENDY 

True, because pumpkin that has a season because it's when they grow, even though when we put pumpkin beers out now, the pumpkins aren't actually right. 

00:06:56 WENDY 

So they've screwed that up a little bit, yeah. 

00:06:57 DAN 

Yeah. Now it's coming out in the summer. 

00:07:01 KEN 

I don't think too many people are actually brewing with the pumpkins. I think it's all just the the nutmeg and. 

00:07:06 KEN 

All spice I and you know what? You can make a true pumpkin ale for that. I just believe that you can make pumpkin ale all the time. And I'd be perfectly fine with that. I know Dan won't. I know he's not a. 

00:07:18 KEN 

Big fan of the pumpkin beers. 

00:07:19 DENNIS 

Arrow age Starbucks. 

00:07:22 KEN 

I I tell you like a barrel age. Like a latte. Like a coffee stout. I I mean, I'm sure there's plenty out there. Bottle Logic probably does 100 of them. 

00:07:27 DENNIS 

That'd be awesome. 

00:07:36 KEN 

But without a guest this week, we. 

00:07:38 KEN 

Do have a topic we want to. 

00:07:40 KEN 

Talk about today. 

00:07:41 KEN 

And this is Wendy's. 

00:07:41 KEN 

Topic. So Wendy, take it away. 

00:07:44 WENDY 

Well, I I've had some friends out of town recently and they they're post some all their social medias, keep coming through and I'm trying really hard not to be envious of the fact that they're traveling to all these different breweries. So but it got me thinking what my bucket list items were not. 

00:08:04 WENDY 

What brewery I wanted to go to, what festival I. 

00:08:06 WENDY 

Wanted to go to. 

00:08:09 WENDY 

Things like that. So I was just wondering. 

00:08:11 WENDY 

What everybody's bucket list items are? 

00:08:15 WENDY 

Is there a specific brewery that you are just dying to go to? I mean, I got the chance earlier in the year to go to toppling Goliath. I still have to get some stuff out about that. But it was amazing. It did not hinder my view of them at all. I would love to be able to go back for. 

00:08:37 WENDY 

Ohh God now. 

00:08:38 WENDY 

I can't even think of the name. 

00:08:41 KEN 

Pseudo sue. 

00:08:43 WENDY 

No, the. 

00:08:44 WENDY 

The big festival? The. 

00:08:45 WENDY 

South that they do. 

00:08:47 KEN 

I don't remember off the top of my head. 

00:08:49 WENDY 

Oh my gosh, why did it? 

00:08:50 

And I'm sure. 

00:08:51 WENDY 

Just blank. It blanked out of my head because I. 

00:08:52 WENDY 

Don't have any notes here. 

00:08:54 KEN 

That's alright. 

00:08:55 KEN 

Well, while you're while you're thinking. 

00:08:56 

Right. 

00:08:58 KEN 

About the festival, let's let's go around. Is there any beer breweries that you just had not had a chance to visit yet that you really want to visit Dan? 

00:09:10 DAN 

So not too many left. The only one I would think of is probably the brewery, because I planned to go there but got too. 

00:09:17 DAN 

Drunk at bottle. 

00:09:18 DAN 

Logic. So that's probably the only one I yeah, it it happens, but I got too drunk. I was gonna go over to brewery acts and. 

00:09:18 Speaker 5 

You check. 

00:09:28 DAN 

Who? Whoever makes that straight up off of that brown that we used to drink at the hockey stadium or the hockey arena? But yeah, the brewery is about the only one left that I'm like, oh, I need to get there. I feel like I've hit everything else that I want to go to. 

00:09:42 DENNIS 

Nice. Nice. Personally, I just checked one off earlier this year and that was going to the burning Foot Beer festival up in Muskegon and that was so I I didn't know what to expect really. I just had a lot of friends like, oh, you gotta go. You gotta go so much fun. So on the beach, like, cool drunk people on the beach, this, this, this party. And I was. 

00:10:02 DENNIS 

And it was everything good. Hope for more like it was massive. They had a big like metal structure with a giant metal hop on top that would shoot flames out. I I was. I I been to a few festivals but that was so much fun and the right attitude, the right vibe. I had such a blast. So if you guys get a chance to go next. 

00:10:20 DENNIS 

Year you absolutely should. 

00:10:22 DAN 

No. Were you front row with Ken during the Limp Bizkit cover band. 

00:10:28 KEN 

That was that was last year, Dan. 

00:10:28 DAN 

Wait. Ohh sorry. OK. Apparently. Hence favorite thing. 

00:10:30 DENNIS 

There's a Limp Bizkit cover band. 

00:10:33 KEN 

The the state of. 

00:10:34 KEN 

Michigan has a Limp Bizkit cover band, a corn cover band, and a system of a down cover band, and they. 

00:10:41 KEN 

Do shows together, so yes. 

00:10:43 DENNIS 

There is an Olympus. 

00:10:44 KEN 

A cover band? Yeah. Burning foot. Beer Festival is a awesome festival to go to. Definitely one if you get a chance to camp on the beach too. I'm like Michigan. 

00:10:54 KEN 

I am definitely not a camper, but I used the opportunity to camp while I was there and it was perfect. Plus being able to just kind of like stumble over to your tent and wake up to the sounds of Lake MI. We're both great for myself, for a brewery, I really, and this is going to sound like super weird. 

00:11:15 KEN 

But I wanna go see like the Anheuser-Busch brewery. 

00:11:18 KEN 

I wanna go. 

00:11:19 

To fix this. 

00:11:19 DAN 

They feel that each wood. 

00:11:21 KEN 

I I I yeah, I want to see the the get a brewery tour like, not necessarily cause most of these breweries that we go to like we can get the beers in one form or fashion whether it's on draft somewhere in a, A can or bottle from a store. But going to the Anheuser-Busch. 

00:11:39 KEN 

Like I would love to. 

00:11:40 KEN 

Just go see where they. 

00:11:43 KEN 

Just do something so consistent, so great. Kind of like that Shiner beer touring a brewery tour that we did. 

00:11:49 DAN 

Well, that was great. 

00:11:51 DAN 

That's exactly what I was thinking about with that because of the scale that they have there. 

00:11:56 KEN 

Yeah. So I can only imagine how much bigger like when we went to, I went to the Blue Moon Brewery in Denver last year and I didn't get a chance to really do like a tour or anything like that. You can kind of just see what's. 

00:12:07 KEN 

Going on, but I don't think it's even. 

00:12:09 DAN 

Their production facility is that the major like where they make it or is that just? 

00:12:14 DAN 

Like, you know, like a tap room. 

00:12:16 KEN 

I think that was one of their tap rooms, cause I think what's called like blue Moon, rhino RINO. 

00:12:20 KEN 

Whatever they're they're actually dams are over there. Yeah, river north. 

00:12:22 DAN 

Oh yeah. 

00:12:28 KEN 

What? What about you, Dan? 

00:12:30 KEN 

Is there a a festival? 

00:12:32 KEN 

Cause we know you just came back. 

00:12:33 KEN 

From JBF for the second year show. 

00:12:36 DAN 

Yeah, that one kind of ruins it. You know, I've never been to the one we do at Jimmy John's. I was gonna go last year, cause I came back before. 

00:12:43 DAN 

For you, when I was coming out to Michigan, but due to the airline losing my luggage, I had to go back to the airport that night. Yeah. So driving out to. I can't even think of what city that is. You know me north of like 14 mile. Yeah, going out there and then having to go back to the airport at 8:00 PM wasn't going to work. So that's probably the. 

00:13:02 DAN 

One festival I'd still want to get to. 

00:13:05 KEN 

Well, that makes. 

00:13:06 KEN 

Me very humble, but I don't think we're that important. 

00:13:08 DAN 

Yeah, I know it's not large. 

00:13:10 DAN 

Scale, you know you. 

00:13:11 DAN 

Know ones that are fun and I forgot we were. 

00:13:13 DAN 

When we were. 

00:13:13 DAN 

Talking about this, you know that Royal Oak one you and I went to years ago was incredibly fun. You know, festivals like that are a. 

00:13:21 DAN 

Great time. 

00:13:23 KEN 

When you attend a festival. 

00:13:25 KEN 

Where like it it. 

00:13:26 KEN 

Almost the beer is secondary, like the festival part itself, like where you're out there and you're hanging out with other people. 

00:13:33 KEN 

It's it's definitely a lot different from when we went to that Royal Oak Festival cause that was back in 2017 or 2016, yeah. 

00:13:42 KEN 

So that was. 

00:13:43 KEN 

A completely different beer scene here in Michigan versus today. You you talked about wanting to go back to the the toppling Goliath. 

00:13:53 KEN 

Brewery. But what about like beer festivals? Is there one that you haven't really hit yet yourself? 

00:14:00 WENDY 

Well, I still have not made it to burning foot even though it gets on my list every year and every year something comes up that weekend, so I can't go. I tried even blocking it off a year ahead of time last year and it still didn't work. And JBF I was in Denver three days before JBF last year. 

00:14:19 DAN 

Yeah, last year, wasn't it? 

00:14:21 WENDY 

Yeah, and I missed it. 

00:14:21 DAN 

You were there right before we went. 

00:14:24 WENDY 

But that also reminds me when I. 

00:14:26 WENDY 

Was in golden. 

00:14:28 WENDY 

At that time, I was supposed. 

00:14:30 WENDY 

To do the Coors Tour. 

00:14:32 WENDY 

And I was really excited about that and they ended up the day that we were supposed to do the tour. They ended up doing a big appreciation for their employees. So they shut down the plan. 

00:14:44 WENDY 

So that their employees could have some fun before GABF, which I thought was really cool except for the fact that then I missed the tour. 

00:14:52 DENNIS 

Oh, man, yeah as well one of those. 

00:14:55 DENNIS 

Catch 1/2 was like oh. 

00:14:56 DENNIS 

Yes, good. Treat your employees. 

00:14:58 Speaker 5 

Well, but me? 

00:15:00 WENDY 

Yeah, but what about me? 

00:15:04 DAN 

Like, can I pretend I'm an employee? 

00:15:04 WENDY 

So, right. 

00:15:08 KEN 

I'll wash some dishes. 

00:15:09 KEN 

Yeah, I'll. I'll help you with the hotline. I'll, I'll like some services down. Yeah. Washing kegs. 

00:15:12 

Lock them pegs, yeah. 

00:15:15 WENDY 

Yeah, I watched the stuff out before. 

00:15:18 KEN 

Dennis, you mentioned Burning foot. 

00:15:19 KEN 

But what about a brewery? 

00:15:21 DENNIS 

Ohh, that's right. OK, so Bruce up. 

00:15:23 DENNIS 

I wanna go to the mall but. 

00:15:26 DENNIS 

Right now I have my eyes set on one batch Brewing Company over in Cork Town, Detroit. Really cool people. Really cool what they're what they're doing coming up to. But I've been there a couple times and every time I know that I'm going to be there again. I'm just so excited. So. 

00:15:45 DENNIS 

Heading to Detroit? 

00:15:46 DENNIS 

For Thanksgiving, spend some time with the family and that's going to be our first stop is, you know, batch brewing. 

00:15:52 DENNIS 

I mean just hanging out. I know they, they they get some of their hops from the UP their empire hops I believe is what they get from up there and just they're always have solid stuff always have solid food, solid beers and just really cool people I remember. 

00:16:07 DENNIS 

Or can I get some server like me denias goes alright, it just turns around, starts **** like I was nothing and. 

00:16:14 DENNIS 

It was cool. I was like. 

00:16:16 Speaker 5 

You're so cool right now. 

00:16:18 DENNIS 

I was just a really cool vibe there and I've been dreaming about it. 

00:16:23 KEN 

I think we we've we've talked. 

00:16:25 KEN 

About what makes a brewery? And there's definitely breweries out there that you. 

00:16:29 KEN 

Know can be considered quote UN quote. 

00:16:31 KEN 

Small time like badge isn't necessarily the largest brewery, but when you get you know something that really sticks like The Alchemist over in Burlington is a great brewery, but it's because of where it is. It's located in such a beautiful area. 

00:16:46 KEN 

That you can just kind of sit outside and enjoy like, you know the the Northeast area in Vermont and enjoy the weather and enjoy the nature. 

00:16:55 KEN 

And those are always a lot of fun for me. Like, I I talk about wanting to go to Anheuser-Busch. I I do think on top of my bucket list too, is going to be funky Buddha. 

00:17:08 KEN 

You know, they they have easily my favorite beer that's ever been produced. I love it. Every time I get it. I think so. Yeah. And it the it's a beer that just kind of sits on the shelf down in Florida. And I just can't necessarily get it all the time. 

00:17:12 DAN 

It's in Key West, right? 

00:17:23 KEN 

So going to the brewery would be nice, but also, you know, supporting them by being there I think is always great. And also trying stuff on draft cause everybody knows it's better on draft. 

00:17:37 DENNIS 

I feel that name somehow. 

00:17:37 WENDY 

No, thank you. Is in Oakland Park, FL. 

00:17:42 DAN 

Ohh OK, no idea where that is. 

00:17:43 WENDY 

I did get. 

00:17:43 WENDY 

The food school there once, and they were promoting their it was the pig one the. 

00:17:52 KEN 

Well, it's not the magnalite to Porter, because that's right brain. I was made with scrapple too. 

00:17:58 WENDY 

OK. 

00:18:00 KEN 

All right. She's looking it up. Oh, Pete Porter. 

00:18:01 WENDY 

For OP Porter, but it is, it's a smoked ham Porter. 

00:18:09 Speaker 5 

Wait, what? What? 

00:18:11 WENDY 

Yeah. Amazing. 

00:18:14 DAN 

Well, that's remember the one made with like $100 bills from Griffin closed, helping me so ornery or something. 

00:18:21 KEN 

No, you're you're thinking not Griffin claw from miso. Miso Unry was the Kim Jong-un beer. The big *** money. 

00:18:23 DAN 

Ohh am I thinking? 

00:18:23 DAN 

A different beer well. 

00:18:25 DAN 

That's like Kim Jong Un beer is what I'm thinking of. 

00:18:31 KEN 

I think is what it was. 

00:18:32 KEN 

Called and I'm trying to and frozen pizzas. 

00:18:34 DAN 

Made with like $100 bills. 

00:18:38 DAN 

That's right, and frozen pizzas. 

00:18:41 DAN 

Had it back in the very early days of the show, it was an interesting beer. 

00:18:46 DENNIS 

Less of a you're more of a soup. 

00:18:49 DAN 

Yeah. So something, Dennis, you brought up something that caught my attention. So badge is something you always try to go to every time you come into the Detroit area. So what's everybody's go to breweries when you go to a certain area? That's what I'm kind of. 

00:19:03 DAN 

Interested of because. 

00:19:05 DAN 

Like for me, when I come to Michigan, it's unexpected and I always make time for it. 

00:19:10 DAN 

I really do think I did make some of the best stouts and. 

00:19:12 DAN 

Country I've had a lot of them and he really does make some of the best. I know he got trained out at the Speedway stout guys. I'm trying to think of the name of the brewery off my head in San Diego. Thank you. So if he, if he learned there like he was telling us about, that's a good place to learn. So that's when I always. 

00:19:32 DAN 

Have to go to. 

00:19:34 DAN 

UM. 

00:19:34 DAN 

Yeah, I'm curious then do you guys all have Musco breweries when you go to a certain? 

00:19:42 DAN 

What about you, Trent? 

00:19:43 KEN 

Yeah, I'm trying to think of. 

00:19:44 KEN 

Spots that I I typically go to a lot for me going to say like like 3 Floyds is always just like a a necessary stop on the way to Chicago. So not necessarily yeah not necessarily you know going there to go there. 

00:19:57 DAN 

Yeah, for example. 

00:20:02 KEN 

In that area, but on the way to Chicago, I'll always stop at 3 Floyd's. I think for me also there was a point in time where anytime I was in Grand Rapids at the Grand Rapids area, I was stopping at Jade and James. 

00:20:19 KEN 

I was getting that monkey butter. Yeah, and bringing it back like that was just a A must stop. But now that I go into. 

00:20:19 DAN 

Oh, the you know better stuff. 

00:20:29 KEN 

These other cities. 

00:20:30 KEN 

Or if I'm going to like if I'm going. 

00:20:32 KEN 

To Detroit myself. 

00:20:34 KEN 

I I definitely will try to hit up if it it all depends on the area too. Like that's so hard to to really say cause they're in like different little segregated areas. 

00:20:47 KEN 

You know, I I I would think something would come to mind, but really nothing cause like if I'm going up into like Midtown like I want to go to Motor City, like that's a must stop. Like I have to go to Motor City and eat pizza and eat beer. My ghetto blaster, my nut bandit. But if I'm going to like, if I'm going to downtown, like downtown, I'm. 

00:21:07 KEN 

Probably going to. 

00:21:07 DAN 

Like stadium area. 

00:21:07 KEN 

Make the. Yeah, I'm probably still going to make the truck out to. 

00:21:10 KEN 

Phase on. 

00:21:12 DAN 

Yeah. Good brewery too. 

00:21:14 KEN 

Because Even so like I think Cork Town is its own little entity, and there's even another another brewery coming up into Cork town by the end of the year that should be coming. 

00:21:23 KEN 

Up here soon so. 

00:21:26 DENNIS 

It's a really good question though, and to be honest I haven't had a chance to travel much lately. I mean, ever since, well, 2020 travel has been. 

00:21:33 DENNIS 

A little bit harder and so. 

00:21:36 DENNIS 

Some of the places I liked, you know they're gone or you know, or I just haven't. 

00:21:40 DENNIS 

Been there in. 

00:21:40 DENNIS 

Years just, you know, the state of the. 

00:21:43 DENNIS 

But yeah, you know, like like you mentioned, when I'm going to Detroit, it's like I gotta stop at batch. I really. I really. I'm getting the shakes. I need it, you know. 

00:21:52 DAN 

Get your fix. 

00:21:52 DENNIS 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. 

00:21:54 DENNIS 

Stuff and and good people, and that that ties it together like the whole vibe, right? You know, festival sometimes is more about the vibe than is even. 

00:22:02 DENNIS 

About the beer and. 

00:22:03 DENNIS 

Some places are the exact same way. I know this corner of this pub so. 

00:22:08 DAN 

Yeah. Before we get to. 

00:22:09 DAN 

Your real quick one? Yeah. Another thing too. My new GG ABF tradition on Wednesday is going to true and to and to dark black sky. What's that? 

00:22:21 WENDY 

Also very good brew. 

00:22:23 DAN 

Yeah, because and they're both heavy metal themed. So you know that's right up my alley. The beer is excellent, but it's all secondary. So it's a great spot. Now what about you when you travel a lot. Is there somewhere you must stops you probably have. 

00:22:36 WENDY 

So we've talked about Bachelor already a lot on this. 

00:22:36 DAN 

A few. 

00:22:40 WENDY 

This podcast but I have friends that actually make a joke of the fact that I can make batch on my way home. 

00:22:46 WENDY 

From anywhere. 

00:22:49 WENDY 

To the point where I actually. 

00:22:51 WENDY 

Did a post about it the other day and I was like, this is definitely. 

00:22:55 WENDY 

On my way home from Troy. 

00:22:57 WENDY 

Not at all. But girls got to eat, so they hatch is definitely one that I will end up at most often. Archway. It's hard for me to go past them without stopping there. Their snicker. Doodle Porter is one of the best things I've. 

00:23:15 WENDY 

Ever had? 

00:23:18 WENDY 

Agma, it's hard to drive past Jackson. 

00:23:20 WENDY 

If I'm going out of town, I'm stopping on the way out or I'm stopping. 

00:23:23 WENDY 

On the way in for sure. 

00:23:26 WENDY 

And then. 

00:23:27 DAN 

March Draft House winners. 

00:23:29 WENDY 

Out of state Indianapolis, if I am in that area, I am going to deviate bring no matter what, I love their beer so much and their vibe actually reminds me a lot of badge. 

00:23:42 

I'm in. 

00:23:42 Speaker 5 

Ohh nice so. 

00:23:44 WENDY 

Yeah. From the very beginning, I was like you. I felt just this whole there as I do. 

00:23:48 WENDY 

A batch so. 

00:23:50 WENDY 

That was kind of my thing. 

00:23:52 KEN 

From the from the Facebook page, going back to beer festivals and I think this is one that is on my list of things I still need to get to there. There's two that I want to get to 1 that I'm hoping to get to next month and then another one next year. Fob is coming up in November. The Festival of Barrel aged beers in Chicago. 

00:24:11 KEN 

Which is easily a. 

00:24:13 KEN 

A top beer festival over there and then, of course, the great taste of the. 

00:24:16 KEN 

Midwest, there is also a secondary part of that festival. If you get a chance. 

00:24:22 KEN 

To go with the crew, coone and Brewers. 

00:24:24 KEN 

Guild you don't need to be a. 

00:24:26 KEN 

Part of it, but they take the bus up. 

00:24:28 KEN 

There. So they drive you up there. 

00:24:30 KEN 

You can, you know, room with everyone. 

00:24:32 KEN 

And you know, be in. 

00:24:33 KEN 

The same hotel. Everyone's bringing their own beers, bringing their own. 

00:24:37 KEN 

Home brews. It's a party on the way up there. Party there, party all the way back. So definitely a great opportunity to go and, you know, drink beer again. Great taste. That's one of those festivals that sells out every year. It doesn't matter. So make sure you get your tickets early. 

00:24:55 KEN 

And go hang out there for sure. Carla agrees with me. FoB is great. 

00:25:02 KEN 

What about you, Dan? Like you, you mentioned Colorado. But what about like, you know where you are? Local in Temple Phoenix or you go to LA plenty of times. Like what's? What's your go to other than Michigan and Colorado? 

00:25:08 DAN 

Yeah. True black sky. 

00:25:18 DAN 

So my go TOS actually wouldn't be in the LA area. Well, I mean, if you're in Orange County, Anaheim, you know you're going to go to bottle logic. That's must stop, but actually go to San Diego more. And the two that I need to stop out there every single time are pizza. 

00:25:32 DAN 

Report and Oh my God, now I'm having a brain fart. 

00:25:36 DAN 

Like Wendy did. 

00:25:36 DAN 

The victory at the Ballast Point. Ballast. 

00:25:37 KEN 

I think it's just the day. 

00:25:39 DAN 

Point are the two that that. 

00:25:40 DAN 

Are must stop. 

00:25:42 DAN 

Up for me, every time I go out there, I would try to get to McKellar. That's now closed and I would try to get to stone and it would just never happen because those. 

00:25:49 DAN 

Two are just too Dang good as far as that goes. In Arizona, the big one is dark sky up in Flagstaff, that's a must stop too. 

00:25:59 DAN 

UM. 

00:26:00 DAN 

But as far as in Phoenix there. 

00:26:03 DAN 

Aren't really a lot that are like. 

00:26:04 DAN 

Must go to. 

00:26:05 DAN 

The best breweries are in Flagstaff. I know the guys over at the shop told us they didn't think so, but when we did that show with them. But yeah, lot of the phoenix screws are just there. The one I took you to. 

00:26:20 DAN 

When we when you first came out years ago called Fate is really good. But other than that, there's nothing you're like. I have to go there. It's just they're just kind of there. 

00:26:32 KEN 

Well, continuing the conversation with bucket lists, it wouldn't be complete without bucket list beers. What are everyone's bucket list beers? The beers that they just have yet to try that they've wanted to try, that's always been out of their reach, whether it's been due to distribution. 

00:26:51 KEN 

Due to the fact that it is. 

00:26:53 KEN 

Just super rare. 

00:26:55 KEN 

What? What is out there for? 

00:26:57 KEN 

You, Wendy, I'm sure you've got a few. 

00:27:00 WENDY 

So my brain for it from. 

00:27:01 WENDY 

Earlier, KBS that. 

00:27:04 WENDY 

Is still today. She doesn't know. Allude me. 

00:27:05 DAN 

Ohh yeah, that's my one. 

00:27:08 WENDY 

Even though I was able to go there, I still couldn't get any KBS. 

00:27:15 KEN 

Yeah, KBS and then Sr. 71 from toppling Goliath 2 is another one that is. Both of them are on my list of beers. 

00:27:25 KEN 

That I would like to try. 

00:27:26 KEN 

June or? 

00:27:27 KEN 

One day I guess you have to say it doesn't matter if it's soon, as long as I get a. 

00:27:31 KEN 

Chance at it. What about you, Denis? I cannot remember. 

00:27:35 DENNIS 

The name of this beer, but it's from three Floyds and they release it every year at their dark Lord days. Yeah, yeah. Darklord days. And I've never had it. I've never had it. I know it's. 

00:27:46 DENNIS 

It's gone immediately, you know, and. 

00:27:48 DENNIS 

I've I've never had the opportunity to go to their big old metal festival right, so I'd like to make that happen someday. 

00:27:56 WENDY 

That's always one of mine. 

00:27:56 KEN 

Yeah, actually. 

00:27:58 KEN 

Kind of kind of shocking that, Dan, you didn't pick Dark Lord Day as like your your festival, since they'll get like big metal bands there and. 

00:28:06 DAN 

So you know, it's funny, you know, the one you that I thought about after we were talking about that is when they did the LA version of the metal and beer. 

00:28:14 DAN 

Just that had that the guy didn't get back to us till last minute. I had other plans and then they've never done it out here again. I don't know if it didn't do well, but they have the one in Philly still that that's on the bucket list. I wish it was still on the. 

00:28:27 KEN 

There's three, but there's one in Denver this year. 

00:28:27 DAN 

Side of the country. 

00:28:31 DAN 

Ohh is there. 

00:28:32 KEN 

Yep, December 1st and 2nd. 

00:28:35 DAN 

Oh, we'll have to talk about that offline. We're gonna have to try to make. 

00:28:37 Speaker 5 

That happen. I'm. I'm. 

00:28:38 WENDY 

So we have some good beer too. 

00:28:40 KEN 

I'm looking at some of the. 

00:28:43 KEN 

The names of the artists and I couldn't tell you one of them. 

00:28:47 KEN 

I I got I. 

00:28:48 KEN 

Got primitive men, man. Primitive Man Ken mode. That's a that's a. 

00:28:52 KEN 

Good name. That's you. 

00:28:53 DAN 

Oh, is that your band? 

00:28:56 KEN 

I I the red chord I could. 

00:28:58 KEN 

Read that one. 

00:29:01 KEN 

Camel. Yeah, I'm looking. 

00:29:01 DAN 

Where you look at the logos. 

00:29:03 

And you're trying to figure out. 

00:29:03 

At the logo. 

00:29:06 DENNIS 

It looks like the back of a bus seat. 

00:29:08 DENNIS 

Like just all bunch of cracks? Yeah. 

00:29:09 DAN 

Those are the best logos. 

00:29:11 KEN 

Yeah, there's there's some. There's some that like the the one for. 

00:29:15 KEN 

Agalloch AGALO. 

00:29:17 KEN 

TBH like you could see it, but then there's some that like I'm looking. 

00:29:22 KEN 

At this this list. 

00:29:23 KEN 

And you cannot there there is absolutely no way you're going to be able to tell some of the names of this, and thankfully, because we are online, I can share with you. Yay. 

00:29:36 DAN 

This could be a game where you just get have to guess the name. 

00:29:38 DENNIS 

Ohh yeah OK, this is like the Marvel Cinematic Universe of metal bands. Yeah, so? 

00:29:39 DAN 

Of the band. 

00:29:45 DAN 

UM, it's. 

00:29:47 DAN 

I have a Mr. Bungle shirt where they did a play on the the thrash metal of the death metal logos like this it's great is that the monsters? Is that the? 

00:29:56 DAN 

Name of that one. 

00:29:57 WENDY 

It's nice not to you. 

00:29:58 KEN 

I I think it's munsons like Roy E. 

00:30:03 DAN 

Ohh OK. 

00:30:03 DENNIS 

This this is amazing in I'm scared of reading them backwards in something Satan, but it looks great. I'm I want to go Ken mode. That that's that is your band. But you're you're you're covering Depeche Mode. 

00:30:18 DAN 

Yeah. So you go there and it's it's Kencing and Depeche Mode covers it just. 

00:30:21 DAN 

A thong and. 

00:30:22 Speaker 5 

Yeah, it's just. 

00:30:22 DAN 

Nothing else. 

00:30:25 KEN 

Thanks. Thanks for the. 

00:30:26 KEN 

Image I don't. 

00:30:26 Speaker 5 

Want it? Have this back. I love it. I love it. 

00:30:29 WENDY 

Thanks Dan. 

00:30:33 KEN 

So yeah, so this is the the metal and beer festival. Decibel magazine puts this on once or twice per year. As you can see by the giant decibel. So this is going to be in Denver, Co. It's presented by true. 

00:30:47 Speaker 5 

It relapse records. 

00:30:52 KEN 

Yeah, I I don't know. Again there's. 

00:30:57 KEN 

Here's the Little Cottage brewery, Dan. That's probably up your. 

00:31:01 KEN 

Alley with that kind of logo. 

00:31:01 DAN 

There's probably there's black sky. There's three Floyds now. Three Floyds has done a lot of the metal band Spears. If you recall back. 

00:31:05 KEN 

Three floyds. Yep, that's nice. 

00:31:09 DAN 

In the day. 

00:31:10 KEN 

Yeah, well, their dark Lord Day is a huge metal beer like metal festival. Like they're they bring in some of the. 

00:31:16 KEN 

Best metal bands I I would guess I don't know much about metal. 

00:31:20 WENDY 

Bands I tried to get tickets like four years in a row. We hit three of us trying to get tickets and we could never get them. So I kind of. 

00:31:27 KEN 

For a Dark Lord day. 

00:31:29 WENDY 

Yeah. When I hit the year, no figure. 

00:31:32 KEN 

They don't out. 

00:31:33 KEN 

In 2022-2023 so. 

00:31:35 KEN 

I think you can go next year. 

00:31:40 KEN 

Looks like it's May 18th next year, 2024. I don't see any updates regarding when tickets will go on sale. You can get a. 

00:31:50 KEN 

The e-mail notification for when it does get on sale, but yeah. 

00:31:56 DAN 

If you get advance tickets, Ken, because of Ken mode. 

00:31:59 KEN 

I mean, I should I should should be like. Yeah, this is Ken, the titular artist. 

00:32:07 KEN 

From the band Ken mode. 

00:32:09 DENNIS 

Just show up. Yeah. Yeah. Tickets for Ken. 

00:32:12 DENNIS 

Awesome. And they'll just let you in. They'll just let you in, man. 

00:32:16 KEN 

Yeah, I'm. I'm with the band. I'm Ken of Ken mode. There you go. 

00:32:20 DENNIS 

Mode comma Ken present. 

00:32:23 KEN 

Yeah. So last year, Dark Lord Day had Cannibal corpse, Pelican enforced, and a special guest, which this was obviously a a promo. So I have no idea who the. 

00:32:35 KEN 

Special guest was. 

00:32:38 KEN 

But yeah, it happens. 

00:32:39 KEN 

Yeah, I I was. That's what I was saying. Like I I recognized the name. Therefore I know that it. 

00:32:45 KEN 

A decent sized band for for what it was municipal waste that was the. 

00:32:53 KEN 

The special guest. 

00:32:54 DAN 

Ohh boy, yeah, that's another good. 

00:32:56 DAN 

One yeah, need it. 

00:32:56 KEN 

I was gonna say I I reckon I. 

00:32:58 KEN 

Recognize the name. So that's how big they are. 

00:33:02 Speaker 5 

We'll have to go. 

00:33:05 DENNIS 

I must go. 

00:33:06 KEN 

Dennis. Dennis, what's your music? Apparently, I'm. 

00:33:07 DAN 

And it's gonna stage. 

00:33:08 KEN 

What do? 

00:33:09 WENDY 

Getting socked in my old age. 

00:33:09 DENNIS 

You like my my music. 

00:33:12 WENDY 

Like I don't know who those are. 

00:33:16 DENNIS 

OK, I. 

00:33:19 DENNIS 

The Big Dave Grohl fan, like anything that he's touched, I mean, he had a really cool metal band that he recorded all the music for back in the day called Probot. He did all the all the instruments and then had different metal singers singing on that. And that is a that I I pretty much wore out the CD on that back in high school, not just my. 

00:33:39 DENNIS 

Well I, but I I love rock. I love Blues. 

00:33:41 DENNIS 

And I don't know man like. 

00:33:44 DENNIS 

I used to play a lot of music back in college. Just how I paid my rent. I. 

00:33:47 DENNIS 

Was in like 10. 

00:33:48 DENNIS 

Different bands. So if it has. 

00:33:51 DENNIS 

Live people on stage. I'm going to probably enjoy something about it. 

00:33:57 DAN 

Yeah, I agree with that. So I'm gonna put you on the spot real quick. 

00:34:02 DAN 

Anna, greatest thing David girl Dave Girl ever touched her overrated. 

00:34:06 DENNIS 

Oh, I can't say it's overrated. I'm not going to say the greatest thing ever touched. 

00:34:11 DAN 

Yeah. See, I think they're overrated, especially when it comes to grunge music. I've never, never understood the obsession, but that's my opinion, of course. 

00:34:18 DENNIS 

That's OK. 

00:34:18 DAN 

I want to make. 

00:34:19 DAN 

I don't don't want one star reviews on iTunes. 

00:34:24 DENNIS 

They're talking about beer is really cool until we start talking their. 

00:34:26 DENNIS 

Bum and they. 

00:34:27 DAN 

Suck. Yeah, yeah. 

00:34:29 DENNIS 

Probably like Pearl Jam better. 

00:34:31 DAN 

No Alice In Chains. They're still the kings of the of grunge. Yeah. 

00:34:33 DENNIS 

How's how contains was awesome. 

00:34:37 DENNIS 

I was a Chris Cornell fan, though, so sound garden and yeah yeah. RIP ripping peas. Yeah, yeah. 

00:34:39 DAN 

You're very good too. Ohh. 

00:34:47 DAN 

What about you, Wendy? What's your musical go to? 

00:34:52 WENDY 

Usually musicals. 

00:34:54 Speaker 5 

That's fine. 

00:34:55 WENDY 

No, I like. 

00:34:56 WENDY 

I listen to everything, so my favorite band to see live ever is Papa Roach. They have the best stage presence, means they're always so excited to be there and I just. I love the feeling that I get when I watch them. But I I love a lot of different music so. 

00:35:16 WENDY 

There's really not anything that I don't listen to. I'm not as a fan of the new country as I was of older country. 

00:35:26 DAN 

Well, it's more poppy now, isn't it? Like pop music basically, or almost like country rock. 

00:35:30 Speaker 5 

Yeah, pop, pop with the clang. Yeah, pop with the. 

00:35:32 KEN 

Is here. It's here. You're looking more like country hip. 

00:35:36 KEN 

Hop like with the the 808. 

00:35:38 DAN 

Well, I was thinking about. 

00:35:39 DAN 

Like that Jason Aldean song that caused all that controversy, things like that. 

00:35:45 KEN 

They they in, in my opinion, what you see with a lot of modern country because they're adding like the 80 eights and stuff, there was a a pretty good not a documentary but like one of those YouTube essayists that came out and had like a really professional done. 

00:36:02 KEN 

And talked like with a. 

00:36:03 KEN 

Lot of people in the industry. 

00:36:06 KEN 

What was the Old Town? 

00:36:07 KEN 

Road guy? Well, not. 

00:36:10 KEN 

They are all nutsacks, so he came out and had like this and then this guy is like, here you go. I'm just gonna play a bunch of brand new, you know, country songs and played all these. 

00:36:19 KEN 

Songs like here's the 8:00. 

00:36:20 KEN 

Oh, eights. Here's this here. 

00:36:21 KEN 

Is this and it's for a lot of people like music is always evolutionary. It is always borrowing from other artists. So you're going to see. 

00:36:31 KEN 

Rock get a little bit more country country, get a little bit more hip hop. You know what hip hop get. 

00:36:35 KEN 

A little bit more country. We'll think about it. 

00:36:38 DAN 

If you go back in the day when the the metal or the rock and rap scene kind of blended together. 

00:36:44 DAN 

Like think about anthrax and UM, what's that Chuck D and Flavor Flav ban. I can't think of anything. I go by and Aerosmith and run DMC. Yeah. Public Enemy. Thank you. But then it it developed into new battle which, you know, look, it's not. They're one of the biggest fans in the world. And, you know, and all those fans. 

00:36:53 WENDY 

Public Enemy. 

00:37:03 

But not you. 

00:37:04 DAN 

Actually, in the early 2000s, so they do blend together and take from each other. It's pretty impressive. 

00:37:11 DENNIS 

Yeah, there's a there was a good documentary series that the Foo Fighters put out a few years ago. Now it's called Sonic highways. And they did. They recorded a song in a different city, right? Each song was in a different city. When they recorded in Nashville, they got to talk to a bunch of, like, the old country artists and stuff like Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton. 

00:37:31 DENNIS 

And they're like, yeah, country. Like, they like their singers and they like their songwriters, but they don't like their singer songwriters. So that's where you see a lot of, like, the musical, not musical influence, but the corporate influence, especially in modern country as well. And they did a really good deep dive. 

00:37:47 DENNIS 

Into that highly recommend that. 

00:37:49 KEN 

Well, there's, you know, if you look at some of the old country like the the Willie Nelson type country, Johnny Cash like it is very, very what we would consider like progressive messaging like ****, **** the cops, **** the police, **** the prison system. **** capitalism like these are things that. 

00:38:09 KEN 

Everyone was singing back in the 60s and 70s in that genre and as things progressed, like country. 

00:38:16 KEN 

The the the message kind of changed and I think Bo Burnham, you know pretty much, puts a a cherry on the top of that Sunday of how new country is like, oh, you, you know, you're driving your F-150. That's never seen a a dirt Rd. before that kind of thing. I'm actually looking at Sonic Highway. So this was back in 2014. 

00:38:37 KEN 

Yeah. So a little bit ago. 

00:38:37 DENNIS 

OK. 

00:38:42 KEN 

We are getting older. Yeah. Yeah. Well. 

00:38:44 KEN 

Well, Dan, I still think the. 

00:38:45 DAN 

90s were like five years ago. 

00:38:48 KEN 

Right. You you bring up metal all the time. I mean, what's what's on your, your playlist when it's not? 

00:38:57 KEN 

You know those those metal type bands? 

00:39:00 DAN 

What else do I listen to? A lot of industrial lot of. 

00:39:06 DAN 

God, it's all metal basically, but industrial is the other big go to people on the town. Put out a hell of an album this year. Not too long ago, which has been my jam. I've probably played that, you know, I only buy vinyl now when it comes to buying music, and I've probably played that thing 50 times so far. It's probably halfway through its life. 

00:39:25 DAN 

But I like to go towards, you know, some of the some of the stuff like, you know, taproot unfortunately had to miss that show. But, you know, some of the not heavy stuff. But, you know, taproots great chevelle's coming to town where I'm at pretty soon I'm gonna go check that out. Things like that. Not the deep, heavy stuff. But, you know, the more fun upbeat. 

00:39:45 DAN 

Some of the stuff. 

00:39:49 DAN 

I'm trying to think like 7 to us is probably my all the other ones coming or even the fun stuff like a dragon force is something I'll go listen to some little what they refer to themselves as video game metal, but yeah things like that. Just a lighter stuff but still on the harder side. 

00:40:04 KEN 

My my favorite thing to see if you have not seen it on TikTok, but the lead singer I think of Dragon Force is on TikTok or at least one of the the. 

00:40:12 KEN 

Guys and he reacts to people who do through the fire and flames. But typically I'm like non standard instruments. 

00:40:19 KEN 

So like something? 

00:40:19 DAN 

It's a guitar player. 

00:40:21 KEN 

Yeah. Yeah. So he'll, he'll be like. 

00:40:24 

He'll he'll. 

00:40:24 KEN 

Look at it and it's someone doing it on the harp and doing it naturally on the harp or someone doing it on a a weird maybe like a. 

00:40:32 KEN 

The Asian type, you know, string instrument that not many people know about or understand how it's playing. So that's that's always fun to see. 

00:40:42 DAN 

Yeah, I love watching those because he, you know, he gets this and I won't take up too much time with this. But the reactions he gets for that because that's the song. He even explains it. You can't play it on one guitar. You need both of them to actually do it. People try but and the way you see people adapt, it is a lot of fun. 

00:40:59 KEN 

I think that's that's also a big thing with music, especially in 2023 and the ability to get your content out, you know, wading through a lot of bad content is fine. But there are a lot of people. I I can't tell you how many. 

00:41:12 KEN 

Times. If I hear a song and like I want to listen to like an acoustic version or someone do a cover of that song and it could be a rap song, it could be a rock song. 

00:41:23 KEN 

But anything like where I can get a different feel. 

00:41:27 KEN 

For that track acapella, like I'm I'm, I'll be an acapella nerd like I used to. Watch that Nick Lachey TV show. That was like the acapella competition, the reality show. 

00:41:37 DAN 

All of us could. 

00:41:38 DAN 

See were you watching where in the world is Carmen San Diego? 

00:41:41 KEN 

Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. That on there some somebody. 

00:41:45 KEN 

Did a where are they now with the that? 

00:41:47 KEN 

Acapella group that did. 

00:41:48 KEN 

The the intro theme with the the guy with. 

00:41:50 KEN 

That really deep voice. 

00:41:52 KEN 

I was like, yeah, we're in San Diego. 

00:41:55 KEN 

That was my impression and that's. 

00:41:56 KEN 

Still, like it's still 8 octaves too high. 

00:42:00 KEN 

But yeah, I love reaching. 

00:42:01 KEN 

Out. Sorry, Wendy, I see you. You're ready to chat. 

00:42:05 KEN 

I I love looking for. 

00:42:07 KEN 

Alternative content to current music. 

00:42:13 KEN 

I was leaving that opening for you. 

00:42:14 WENDY 

Wendy. Ohh. I like that now. I wanted to go back to the acapella thing. So are you talking about just the acapella singing or like acapella music where they make the instrument noises with their mouth? 

00:42:26 DAN 

Like that guy from police Academy? 

00:42:26 WENDY 

Like one guys in. 

00:42:27 WENDY 

Front boom once. I can't remember the name of. 

00:42:29 WENDY 

The of the group. 

00:42:30 KEN 

The Pentatonix. Yeah, so. 

00:42:30 WENDY 

That got really big with. 

00:42:31 WENDY 

That it freaks me out when they do that. 

00:42:35 WENDY 

Freaks me out like I can't handle it. 

00:42:38 KEN 

I've seen the Pentatonix live. 

00:42:40 KEN 

And I saw them at the fox and they did a no mic song. They did. Ohh. Holy. 

00:42:48 KEN 

Night it was their Christmas. 

00:42:49 KEN 

Tour and at the Fox in Detroit. If you're not unaware, the acoustics there are so like. 

00:42:57 KEN 

Amazing, especially for the time it was built, like how they were able to do this. And I'm sitting in the three hundreds and they're singing. Ohh. Holy night. No mics, no extra content. Everyone quiet. And you could hear it as if you were standing right next to them. Like, that's how bone chilling it was to hear that song. 

00:43:17 KEN 

From that far away, but. 

00:43:18 KEN 

All all vocal. 

00:43:19 KEN 

So yeah, I do like the music. I definitely like a little bit more doo-wop. So if you get, like, not necessarily like a barbershop quartet, but like the the old school, like for some that's singing Motown, like Aretha Franklin. That's the kind of music that. 

00:43:38 KEN 

I would definitely be more akin to there is on YouTube. 

00:43:44 KEN 

And I'm I've been racking my brain this whole time trying to think of the name of that damn show. Nick Lachey hosted it. That's all I remember. 

00:43:52 KEN 

But they did. 

00:43:53 KEN 

The what's what's the Caddyshack song? Is it? I'm. 

00:43:57 KEN 

All right. Or is it the actual like? 

00:43:58 DAN 

Yeah, yeah. The Kenny Loggins song. 

00:44:01 KEN 

They. Kenny Loggins? Yes. Yes, they did that song in acapella and it was a group called the Philharmonic, which was all Filipino, hence the name Phil Harmonic and. 

00:44:11 DENNIS 

Amazing. I think it was. I love that. 

00:44:14 Speaker 5 

OK. 

00:44:15 KEN 

It might have been the sing off. Yeah, it probably as you just looked it up and they they did it against like a a country group that does like, country acapella and they got like one of the country guys, they taught him how to beat box and they like they. 

00:44:18 WENDY 

I just looked down. 

00:44:35 

It it was a. 

00:44:35 KEN 

Fun little event, so like that kind of stuff. Always. I I love hearing as I said, different types of music, but. 

00:44:42 KEN 

I know we've kind of gone way off track. This is better on vinyl, better on music, better on Spotify. You know what? That's that's fine. It's a fun show today. No guests today. We're here to have fun. Folks, if you're not live with us, join us. Live Friday, 7:15 PM eastern. We are on Twitch, YouTube and Facebook. You can interact with us. 

00:44:47 DAN 

On vinyl, yeah. 

00:44:50 WENDY 

OK. 

00:45:03 KEN 

Just like Carl has done earlier today, tell us your favorite bands. Your favorite artist, what you like to listen to, but there there was a question of. 

00:45:10 DAN 

Because for toots, too. 

00:45:12 

That goes for. 

00:45:12 KEN 

Toots mccraw. Yes. Over in Twitch I have. I haven't seen Toots show up yet. 

00:45:18 KEN 

My my question is, is that when you are at a a ballpark a hockey arena, a concert, when you go to drink beer, do you wanna drink like beer? That's, you know, solid, easy to drink or are you still looking for that craft beer? 

00:45:35 KEN 

When you go to these types of events. 

00:45:38 DAN 

Oh oh, I totally look for the craft beer. Yeah. Yeah. I was at the Iron Maiden concert at Little Caesar's back in October, 100% found the craft beer bar was drinking whatever was there. And then even at the state theater, trying to drink whatever the most crap like it was like mango cart or something. 

00:45:59 DAN 

They have all antisera Bush, so getting the most crap. 

00:46:03 DAN 

Beer possible is what I do and see out here. Ken, you've been to a show out here. You know, we were drinking kilt lifter. Yeah, it's in Anheuser-Busch. But it's Arizona. Only beer that you're gonna find. So that's always fun to find. Cause you'll find that at at at arenas, you know, it won't be. It won't be craft quote UN quote. 

00:46:23 DAN 

Because you know, and it's a Bush bottom or someone to that extent. But it's one of those craft breweries that used to be a craft brewery that they're still producing their stuff. 

00:46:32 KEN 

I think when I say craft, I imply not light lager. 

00:46:37 DAN 

Ohh I see what you mean, but yeah. 

00:46:38 DAN 

So yeah, I'm never looking for a ultra or a, you know, triple hopped Miller Lite. 

00:46:45 KEN 

I mean for me like I'm I'm going to the Lions game on Sunday and I know damn well. Like I'll probably hit like on the way to the arena we park at MGM and walk to Ford Field like I'll be drinking a tall boil. The bat probably on the way there. And then when we get in there, I might. Yeah. Yeah. And then. 

00:47:01 DAN 

On The Walking ice. 

00:47:04 KEN 

And on the way there or when we get there, I don't the the craft beer options, I'm not gonna lie in Ford Field are trash. It's like 4 IPA's, yeah. 

00:47:12 DAN 

They're bad, but. 

00:47:16 DAN 

I was gonna. 

00:47:17 DAN 

Say, what were we drinking at summer slam? It was really middle of. 

00:47:22 DAN 

The road kind of stuff. 

00:47:23 KEN 

I feel like I was drinking Miller light at summer slam. 

00:47:27 DAN 

On and I think I had like a bells too hard it or something like that. And Mike was drinking similar and so was Nick. But yeah, that's the best that. 

00:47:35 DAN 

You get there. 

00:47:37 DENNIS 

It I I wanna hop in on this because it it once again. That's that dependent on the situation kind of thing, right? So if I'm at a. 

00:47:45 DENNIS 

Game I'm yeah. 

00:47:46 DENNIS 

You're right, you're probably not gonna have a really great selection of craft beer. If I see something like a too hard some. 

00:47:51 DENNIS 

Yeah, I'll get that. But. 

00:47:54 DENNIS 

For some reason, I'm going to a hockey game, I'm thinking. 

00:47:58 DENNIS 

Coors. Like like that's what I associate with the hockey. 

00:48:01 DENNIS 

Game or something along those lines and I'm not. 

00:48:03 DENNIS 

Gonna be too. 

00:48:04 DENNIS 

Picky when I get there for some reason, that's just what. 

00:48:06 DENNIS 

Tastes like a. 

00:48:07 DENNIS 

Good time to me while watching a bunch of. 

00:48:09 DENNIS 

Guys beat the ****. 

00:48:10 DENNIS 

Out of check on on the ice, it's awesome. 

00:48:14 DAN 

Yeah, it's funny you. 

00:48:15 DAN 

Bring that. 

00:48:15 DAN 

Up Ohh sorry one one second. Wendy, I didn't mean to cut you off there, but it's funny. I go to a lot of hockey games in Arizona and we have a 5000 seat arena and they have Grand Canyon Brewing selling beer. 

00:48:20 Speaker 5 

Yes, go ahead. 

00:48:28 DAN 

There so you can get a good amber at least, or you can get, you know, your generic Miller Lite mic ultra, you know your $40 double shot of vodka and soda. So yeah, I feel I feel like we're lucky because we have that. And Ken the beer I thought about when we were in Las Vegas was Golden Rd. Get up off of that brown. That's one of those. 

00:48:49 DAN 

Ones that are an Anheuser-Busch owned brewery, but it's nice to find out an arena. 

00:48:56 WENDY 

Yeah, I'm always going for the I'm always going for the craft beer first. If not, it's going to be like a PBR course. Depending on what they have to offer, because sometimes they're. 

00:48:56 DAN 

Sorry, when you go, I'm sorry. 

00:49:09 WENDY 

Not great craft beers. 

00:49:11 DENNIS 

You know, I heard that PBR is. 

00:49:13 DENNIS 

Still, the biggest craft Brewer in. 

00:49:15 DENNIS 

The nation. 

00:49:16 DAN 

It's the biggest crap here in. 

00:49:16 WENDY 

Right. 

00:49:17 DAN 

The nation, Ken, you gotta tell. 

00:49:17 Speaker 5 

Yeah. So like. 

00:49:18 DAN 

Your left Lindemann story. 

00:49:21 KEN 

Oh my God. 

00:49:24 KEN 

So that's that's definitely a about, say, a crime of opportunity, which I feel like it was after the amount that I drink so for. 

00:49:33 KEN 

Me. I'll, I'll. 

00:49:35 KEN 

I'll preface this with. 

00:49:36 KEN 

If it costs for a 12 ounce craft beer. 

00:49:40 KEN 

The same as a 24 ounce Miller light. I'm going with the 24 ounce Miller light not because I want to get more drunk. Obviously the ABV is probably the same when you add it all up, but for me I want to be able to like just drink the beer throughout the the event like I want to be able to. 

00:49:53 KEN 

Sip on it. It's it's just what it is. Like when I go bowling. 

00:49:57 KEN 

I drink Miller like I don't drink Alaskan amber, which they have on draft or Oktoberfest. I'm still curious how long that Amber Keg has been there because it's it's always on tap and I've never seen it change. I see the Sam Adams one change. I never see the Alaskan amber change. 

00:50:16 KEN 

But there was a time. So this. 

00:50:18 KEN 

Would have been. 

00:50:19 KEN 

20/16/2017 I got this is at Joe Louis Arena and the rave tent. Rave is a distributor here in Metro Detroit. The rave tent, which had all the craft beers and imports and stuff had Laffin demon 23 oz for I think it was like 9 bucks. 

00:50:40 KEN 

And I looked at it, and I'm like, you're joking like this is wrong. Like, you can't be right. 

00:50:46 KEN 

And the first one cashed through. 

00:50:48 

You know, whenever. 

00:50:48 KEN 

You buy something. You think the price is wrong. You're like, I'll try it just in case. And the price was right. And I remember just stumbling back and forth because I didn't drive so I could do whatever I wanted. 

00:51:00 KEN 

And and buying Laffin demund and at at the last one walking those JLA stairs down from the top of the two hundreds was an experience, to say the least. 

00:51:13 KEN 

But I I also think at that time I was definitely still what in those types of events I was an ABV per dollar drinker. 

00:51:22 KEN 

And offender mine is an amazing beer and nothing against that. But I I was definitely drinking ABV per dollar to get the most messed up at that. 

00:51:33 WENDY 

See and I would have just picked them up in. 

00:51:35 WENDY 

The month because it's a good beer. 

00:51:37 KEN 

I I think it was a little bit of both. I I mean there are times where I've drank Dragon meets final absolution because it was the. 

00:51:46 KEN 

Same price as. 

00:51:47 KEN 

You know Miller light or something like that. And I'm like, oh, well, I'm gonna drink final. 

00:51:51 KEN 

Absolution cause I'm hammered. 

00:51:54 WENDY 

Nothing better than. 

00:51:54 DAN 

You. What is it the same price? 

00:51:57 WENDY 

Nothing is better than the $5 Roombas. You could get a final AMP solution at the East Point Club. 

00:52:05 DAN 

Ohh that's insane. 

00:52:06 

You could get. 

00:52:07 WENDY 

$10 was all you needed for the night. 

00:52:09 KEN 

Yeah you could. 

00:52:10 KEN 

Get probably like 75023 oz at. 

00:52:18 KEN 

I'm trying to think of what a place. 

00:52:20 KEN 

That I hosted. 

00:52:21 KEN 

Trivia on the east side, and I remember I drank three, stood up, sat down and. 

00:52:27 KEN 

Yeah, I stayed. 

00:52:28 KEN 

There for like 2 extra hours playing music for free because I was like, I can't drive anywhere like I'm I am way too messed up but that's. 

00:52:35 DAN 

That's as bad as when you were 19 and at augies for boomba night. 

00:52:39 KEN 

I never went to Augies at 19 to drink, Sir. Sorry, my. 

00:52:44 KEN 

Bad. Not that. 

00:52:45 KEN 

Statute of limitations is up and the bar is closed, so they can't even get an MLC. 

00:52:45 WENDY 

We don't talk about that. 

00:52:54 KEN 

Alright, so we have a few minutes left before we take our break for the craft beer news. Of course, you can always join us live. Please join us. Chat with us. Interact with us. 

00:53:04 

Especially when we. 

00:53:05 KEN 

Have a guest on. You can ask guests questions. We're gonna be having plenty of guests coming up soon to talk with, just like we had Wendy Yingling on. 

00:53:14 KEN 

Earlier this year, we've also. 

00:53:15 KEN 

Had Jeff and Marcia Larson from Alaskan brown. 

00:53:19 KEN 

We've had the folks over at Sierra Nevada. We've had the brewery, we've had plenty of the the beers that we wanna drink, the places we want to go. We've had many of them on our show. So go check out our four. 

00:53:31 WENDY 

You know who him. 

00:53:32 KEN 

100 Plus UPS who have we not had? 

00:53:34 WENDY 

Troves, why are they not our show yet? 

00:53:35 KEN 

We have not had strobes. 

00:53:37 KEN 

I, Wendy, I have, I. 

00:53:39 WENDY 

I have to go back to. 

00:53:40 WENDY 

That drinking that hour. 

00:53:41 WENDY 

Till I can get him on the show. 

00:53:44 KEN 

I I have reached out to trogs, but I want to add ask you guys one final question, a bucket list but more of a goal set. So for the year the the fiscal year 2023-2024 of better on draft so year #9 because that is the year we're in year #9 of podcasting. 

00:54:05 KEN 

What is your goal for that? When we celebrate our ninth year anniversary that you want to be telling us you did in the past year? Is it a festival? Is it a beer? Is it a brewery? Wendy, you are the most traveled, I think. Out of all of us right now with all the volunteer work that you do and all the traveling that you do. 

00:54:25 KEN 

For fun, what is the one thing you want to say? 

00:54:29 KEN 

You've done this year. 

00:54:31 Speaker 5 

OK. 

00:54:34 WENDY 

I think I would like to go to telling Ryan for the KBS beliefs. 

00:54:39 KEN 

KBS release. We're holding you to it, Daniel. 

00:54:43 DAN 

Ohh so I originally was gonna say open every beer we have at the 9th anniversary. 

00:54:49 DAN 

Maybe. Maybe at episode #4. Ohh, I wish you were there, Dennis. I wish. 

00:54:51 KEN 

So much. 

00:54:56 DAN 

You were there for that night. 

00:54:58 KEN 

There will be a nice. 

00:54:59 DAN 

Uh, But let's see, yeah. 

00:55:00 KEN 

I I would say go listen. 

00:55:01 KEN 

To episode 300, but we recorded that while before you opened up every beer episode. 

00:55:06 DAN 

Yeah, that was a good episode. It was a. 

00:55:08 DAN 

Really good. 

00:55:10 DAN 

Geez, you know what? I'm gonna throw this out here because he told me to reach out to him. Let's get. 

00:55:18 DAN 

Let's get. Ohh God, I don't wanna get. Who do I wanna get? I wanna get Sam. Or do we wanna get? No. 

00:55:22 DAN 

We wanna get Jim, let's get Jim Cook on the. 

00:55:26 DAN 

On the here before the 9th anniversary. 

00:55:29 KEN 

All right. We bring back Boston Beer Company with Jim Dennis. You're the new guy. It doesn't have to be. 

00:55:35 DENNIS 

I am. 

00:55:35 KEN 

A better on draft specific. 

00:55:39 KEN 

Bucket list item but what? 

00:55:41 KEN 

Is your goal for the next year, especially now that you're on the show? Like what? What are we? 

00:55:45 KEN 

Going to see from you next year. 

00:55:47 DENNIS 

When's the 9th anniversary? 

00:55:49 KEN 

It'll be October with the first episode of. 

00:55:52 KEN 

October 2024. 

00:55:53 DENNIS 

All right. OK. We can do a lot by then. And I can do a lot by then. I want to actually get to sit down with everybody on this podcast in a room. I want to drink a few too many beers with you guys. That's what I. 

00:56:06 DENNIS 

Want to do? 

00:56:08 DENNIS 

And I want to hang out. I want to party and I want to meet more people that are fans of this podcast and I want to. 

00:56:12 DENNIS 

Take it to the next level. I think we can do that. I'm really, really, really. 

00:56:16 DENNIS 

Got it. 

00:56:17 KEN 

Well, damn, I don't have to. 

00:56:18 KEN 

Say that now ohh. 

00:56:19 DAN 

It's funny. I ran into people at GBF that listen to it. It kind of. I messaged. Ken would have happened. It kind of caught me off guard. You're the kid, nerds. 

00:56:27 KEN 

And the nicest way possible, Dan, you do have a look. 

00:56:30 WENDY 

Did they recognize you? 

00:56:31 DAN 

Oh, I I totally do. Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, they recognize the name on the badge. I totally have a look. I stand out. 

00:56:37 DAN 

In the crowd. 

00:56:38 DAN 

I'm 6 foot three. I got this damn beard. I got long hair. I stand out for sure, but yeah, they wouldn't notice it like this, but yeah. 

00:56:43 KEN 

Sunglasses on indoors. 

00:56:46 DAN 

Even at midnight? Yeah, of course. 

00:56:49 DENNIS 

I'm going to look like a Hobbit standing next. 

00:56:50 DENNIS 

To all y'all. 

00:56:53 DENNIS 

No, no, she no, no. 

00:56:59 DAN 

Wendy's pretty short. 

00:57:00 KEN 

Yeah. When? When Wendy is. 

00:57:02 KEN 

Pretty short, I think she still has Nick though. 

00:57:04 WENDY 

I do. I do not by much. 

00:57:05 DAN 

Ohh I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure you do. 

00:57:11 KEN 

So so I have I have a few. 

00:57:13 KEN 

Different goals, the. 

00:57:14 KEN 

Podcast goal I have. I have 3 breweries that I really, really. 

00:57:19 KEN 

Really want to get on. 

00:57:21 KEN 

Or people I should say, because one of them is Charles Papazian, former president of the Brewers Guild. I want to bring on one day to hear every. 

00:57:31 KEN 

Being from kings and convicts, I want the Ballast Point story I want. 

00:57:36 DAN 

You know, man, that we. 

00:57:36 KEN 

Even if it's. 

00:57:36 KEN 

Just Ballast Point, I want the ballast point story. 

00:57:39 DAN 

Have we reached out to them? 

00:57:40 DAN 

At all, yes. 

00:57:43 KEN 

And last and lastly, I want to be able to one present some extra content for everyone here, including getting some stories about breweries that are no longer with us and why they are. 

00:57:43 DAN 

You ever hear, Pat? 

00:57:59 KEN 

No longer with us. 

00:58:01 KEN 

I have, I think there are plenty of stories. 

00:58:03 KEN 

Out there as to. 

00:58:05 KEN 

The the rise and falls of some of these breweries from and, and these are going to be more local to the Michigan folks here. That includes potentially talking with Bobby Mason MI Beer Company, talking with the folks at Seller Man's. 

00:58:20 KEN 

To hear. To hear that story and. 

00:58:22 KEN 

See what they're. 

00:58:22 KEN 

Doing there are Mark Larson over at falling down like. 

00:58:27 KEN 

There's a lot of things. 

00:58:30 KEN 

Both brewery owners and fans of beer can learn from these people and I want to. 

00:58:35 KEN 

Be able to tell. 

00:58:35 KEN 

That story, so that is. 

00:58:37 KEN 

My goal by the. 

00:58:38 KEN 

End of year nine. We bring you some extra content regarding that and and not to hark down as to why they failed or anything like that. 

00:58:48 KEN 

It's simply to again. 

00:58:52 KEN 

As we do with every brewery tell their story and hopefully people can learn from it. 

00:58:58 KEN 

So that is going to do it. We're going to take a break. If you're listening live for about 10 minutes, we are going to come back with the craft beer news. This is the first time I've ever done this. So no matter what you think of your beer, we think it's. 

00:59:14 KEN 

Better, oN dRAFT. Have a good night. 

 

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