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Monologue: What If I'm Right?

Aug 29, 202521 min
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In this week’s Better Offline monologue, Ed considers what would happen if he’s right about the AI bubble bursting - and the consequences of three years of myth-peddling journalism and markets addicted to growth at all costs.

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All Zone Media. Hail traveler, Welcome to this week's Better offline monologue. I'm your host ed ZITRN, so I'm breeding this the day after In Video put out there August twenty seventh turnings, and I'm not sure anybody really knows

how to react. While in Video be estimates in general, they for the second quarter running mist analyst estimates on data center revenue, which is eighty eight percent of their revenue, where all the GPUs are coming in at forty one point one billion dollars on an estimated forty one point three billion dollars. The market also has a very unhealthy

relationship with this company. In Video grew like fifty percent or something year over year, but because they didn't grow one hundred and twelve percent or whatever year over year, people are the babies and the markets are soiling their diapers, And honestly, it's because really it's unhealthy. The unrealistic valuations that in Video has been given are finally causing problems.

And as a reminder, in Video is the company that may the specialized GPUs used in effectively all generative AI and has seen unprecedented stock growth as a result of this hype. Cycle. The magnificent seven stocks Microsoft, Google, Meta, Amazon, Apple, Tesla, and of course Nvidia make up thirty five percent of the value of the US stock market, and as I mentioned on the AI money Trap, they are sent a capital expenditures, of which Nvidia makes up a large chunk.

By well, their GPUs do at least accounted for more growth than all consumer spending combined. So on so many levels, and Video really is the AI bubble. They're the only company making a profit in AI, and forty two percent of their revenue is from the magnificent seven companies buying their GPUs, and their financial health and continued growth is a barometer for the future growth of this nonsense, bullshit bubble that I'm tired of talking about kind of, but

you know, there's always something to chat about yet. Luke Carwo of Sherwood News discovered one particularly weird part of Nvidia's earnings this week two point two billion dollars of their revenue under net other income, which turned out to be from the mark to market value of their investment in unprofitable AI compute company cor Weve and by the way, in Video invested in core Weave has a one point three billion dollar GPU compute deal with them called Project Osprey.

They give them preferential rights their GPUs and core Weave. When they raised debt, they raise by using the GPUs they bought from a Videos as collateral in the loan, and then they use that money from the from the loan to buy more GPUs. Every time I think about core Weave, I feel a little crazy. And in simple terms, in Video book the increased value of their investment in core Weave as revenue in a quarter where they barely

hit estimates. Hmmm. The reason I'm telling you this is that I believe, as I've always said, that all of this ends poorly in Video isn't doing anything dodgy per se by including core Weave's stock. It's just that the value of that stock and core Weave is covering up in video is slow in growth. If Core weaves value craters in the next few months, and Video will have

to book a massive loss in the same category. And I know some of you are going to email me and say, hey, where to hear mark to market before And the answer is Enron. And I don't think this is like Enron, because Enron was doing something somewhat different they were valuing contracts in bizarre ways. This is not exactly the same thing. Nevertheless, it's extremely weird to say, yeah, the value of this stocker got over here went up. Isn't that good? Yeah, that's revenue now. It's dangerous. It's

dangerous stuff. And it means that on some level, In Video's financial health and future earnings are somewhat dependent on core weave. It's all so good. I like it. It's very good. It's normal. Everything's so good. It's great, everybody's doing well. And what's even more better is that in Video is effectively the only success story in AI, opening eye and anthropic but billions of dollars each year and have no

path any kind of sustainability. And as I've argued again and again, these products lack any kind of large scale use cases other than the fact that every single media outlet has been screaming chat GPT for the last three years, and seemingly everyone just sees code generation goes, oh my god, this is literally god. But I think after three years of breathless hype, the worm is kind of turning on AI. In the last week, I've been on national TV twice,

once on CNN and once on the BBC. And while I'm still introduced as somebody that does not believed the hype, the fact is that more people are beginning to wonder what if Ed's right? So from here on now, I'm going to extrapolate a little bit. I don't know the future. I'm not saying, oh, this will definitely happen, but here are some things that on my mind if I'm right. Well,

let's start with something simple. Open ai is toast. The Financial Times reported that open AI's corporate restructuring is and I quote likely to slip into next year as Microsoft refuses to budge on the terms that of open ai converting from a nonprofit to a for profit. Now. This is because open ai went to Microsoft and said, okay, guys, we need to convert to a for profit or we will die. Microsoft said, okay, great, let's go ahead and

do that. We don't mind. Open Ai said, well, what we're going to need is, we're going to need you to end your exclusivity deal over our models. We're going to need to cut your revenue share, We're going to need to not share our IP and our research from with you. What do you think? And Microsoft said, go fuck yourself. Microsoft back in I think May said that they were willing to walk away from the table. I

don't fucking blame them. Now people will say, well, Microsoft wants open ai to go public, they'll get a bunch of money. Kind of luck. Cool, we've different video, right, Except Microsoft already owns all their IP and already runs all their infrastructure. Remember open ai doesn't own any of their info at all. They're trying to build that bullshit out in Abilene, Texas, of course, but I mean that's not going to be built this year or even next

at this point. So you know, Microsoft is not understandably jazz to take this deal and could let open ai die on the vie. And if open ai fails to convert by the end of the year, soft Bank cups they're funding round in half, meaning that by my calculations, soft Bank's part of the remaining thirty billion dollars, which would at this point become ten billion dollars, would drop two seven hundred billion dollars thanks to open ai already

raising eight point three billion dollars from other investors. Some people are saying it's ten billion dollars just from soft Bank. I don't think people are good at math. I swear to God, I've been looking at this ship for years, and nevertheless things don't look good there. And again, soft Bank has been very clear that if by the end of the year open ai is not converted, they're cutting

that round in half. Even if open Ai and Microsoft work this out today, I don't think it's possible that they convert by the end of the year, if it's even possible at all. Nonprofits are very specific things, and no one has ever done what open ai is trying to do. And if open ai cannot convert, they aren't dead because they can never IPO and they're too big

to sell to anyone else. And thus investors would have little reason to put further capital in other than believing that open ai will so somehow stop burning billions of dollars, something they have never proven is possible and nobody has in fact, and fucking I hear the cost of inference is going down again, and going to screen, it's going up. I'm getting to it later and in a future episode.

And if the conversion fails, open Ai can probably cobble together another fifteen billion dollars of funding before they shit their pants and die. And as an aside, Open Ai is currently doing an insider share sale at a five hundred billion dollar valuation, with current and former employees selling eight billion dollars worth of stock. This is not something you do if you think you're going to go public

anytime soon. If ever, I need to be clear about this, it looks bad and outside of Nvidia, AI is failing to produce any kind of profit. And once venture capital realizes this, they'll stop investing in these giant, loss ridden monstrosities.

This will naturally bring things to a headed Anthropic, another company that burns billions of dollars, who will inevitably raise maybe another ten to fifteen themselves, and perhaps another roundup after that with nouffittability, though there is no reason, really no reason to keep throwing cash in the furnace. And I believe that Anthropic eventually gets absorbed into Amazon, like at the end of that horrible game inside, and maybe it will also flop around like a big blob in a field.

And if I spoiled inside of you, it's an old game, you should have beaten it by now. Then when the public markets, eventually the AI trade will fail. Despite what the headlines may say, outside of Nvidia, the Magnificent seven has not been making money on AI and has instead been growing there already existing businesses, which is something that reporters should know better. Yet they're claiming that any kind

of growth proves that AI bets are paying off. I'm not singling you out yet, but you've gotta fucking stop. Once other revenue sources stop papering over the flimsy or unexistent revenue and I mean revenue, not profit from AI, the street will realize and they will panic. But let's get serious. If I'm right, we're all bearing witness to one of the most catastrophic failures in the history of the markets, journalism, and society itself. Generative AI was sold

as a myth. It's been blatantly obvious from the very beginning that large language models do not have mass market use cases and no coding llms do not goddamn count they don't. They don't produce the kind of revenues. And guess what. The coding lms are so expensive to run that if you took away the subsidies, they would be economically impossible. Stop arguing with me on this point. I

will crush you. Yet many many, many, many, many journalists choose to blindly repeat the open AI and other companies are building powerful AI that will replace human workers, choosing to deliberately ignore the pisspoor outcomes from using these products and I don't know, failing to define what powerful means

because powerful does not seem to mean goddamn anything. Journalists had an opportunity to tell the truth, to look at the products and say, hey, I don't really get why this is so amazing or powerful, exactly, question the valuations of companies that make little or no revenue, while burning hundreds of millions or billions of dollars to interrogate the

outright lies of Sam Moultman and WARRYO Darryo ama Day. Instead, they choose to fuel the fantastical fire, repeating the promises of people like Sam Moultman in the hopes they'll be the first to be able to parrot his next lie or talk to his clammiass about nothing for three hours. I worry that things are so much worse than we know. I have an inkling that the price of serving GPU compute, the underlying infrastructure of all generative AI, is horribly unprofitable.

And if you're a person who's going to say, oh, it's only a few dollars an hour. Hey, what if they're selling that few dollars an hour at a loss. We know now that the cost of inference is increasing, and that's coming up in future episodes, but it was in the GPT five one, and thus the costs of

providing AI services, which were already unprofitable, is increasing too. Yet, by constantly accepting a myth that AI would get more powerful, that these companies would somehow work out how to stop burning way more money than they may, the big tech would not simply lie about what was possible. Journalism pedaled outright lies and help sustain a hype cycle based on little more than believing the last smart sounding guy you ran into, or what that guy told someone you kind

of respect. You can dress this up by being an optimist. You can dress this up by pretending that you thought they would extrapolate from here, that these companies would just work it out, that they were just like Uber, that they were just like Amazon Web services, that they would innovate and contribute you so much the economy based on the things that they told you that they wanted you to repeat, so their investors would give them more money.

You can pretend that all of this made sense at any goddamn time, but you know you either half asked it or you're lying to yourself at this point. And I understand also that there are some people writing about this who maybe don't want to write such fantastical things. They feel pressured or they're scared, And I actually understand the fear. Then, when everyone around you is pissed down pants and they're saying, why haven't you pissed your pants?

Perhaps you wouldn't want to do it. But if everyone's screaming at you, what are you meant to do? If your editors are saying write a positive AI story, if your editors are saying that thirteen percent of people in the Stanford there was this. Sorry, I'm actually going to reframe this point and not retake it, because this is important. There was a study that went out that said that thirteen percent I think there's a thirteen percent drop in jobs that were affected by AI, and that this was

proof that AI was taking these jobs. When you look at this goddamn study, you can see that it doesn't actually prove that AI was involved and says that yeah, thirteen percent of come of career paths and jobs that were somehow being replaced by AI were dropping, and as the result, AI was involved. It seems like a fumbled point, but what it actually just said was that there was a thirteen percent drop in certain employment and we'd like AI to be involved. So it's on some level, I

realize i'm ranting. I realize I'm going a little bit offscript. I'm just fucking tired of this. I'm tired because even now, even today, even as you look at these companies burning all this money, even as you look at the fact that there are no real returns here, and when you look at the products, you can see they don't really do anything super futuristic. Even now, there are people who still talk to me and repeatedly say shit like, well,

what if you're wrong, What if you're wrong about this? Well? Ed? What if you turn around? And then the computer wakes up and says, I love you, Ed, I love you. Nothing happens because that won't happen, And we're living a lie. And we built our economy on a lie. And it's scary. It's scary because the economy is built on data center growth and It's scary because so much of journalism just

missed this. They just missed it. And I myself have done very well as a result of this, because I've been elucidating hundreds of thousands words at a time, hours a podcast a time. So I'm doing fine. I guess. I don't have any stock positions in this crap. I'm not investing. I'm not fiscally profiting off of this, but my career is doing well, I guess. But on some level, we've seen that at the highest levels of journalism there

are people who are willing to peddle bullshit. And as this falls apart, as this collapses, there must be a point at which people are held accountable for lying because it is lying. And I believe the majority of journalists are not trying to lie. I don't think that they are deliberately doing this. I think they are weasel wording around stuff so that they don't stand out from their peers and get in trouble and face peer pressure for not falling behind the AI bubble cycle. Except everyone's gonna

look fucking stupid if this collapses. If I'm right, everyone's gonna look really silly, and you can feel however you feel about me. This isn't about anyone specific other than the very obvious hard forky folks. But if you're a journous listening, this probably isn't abalue. What it is about, however, is the truth, and it is about the fact that

everyone can say something that's wrong. And we as people that report the truth, ostensibly must look at this when it collapses, and I really do think it will, and we must take an account of what has been said and how it has been said, of how many affordances were given to people like Sam Altman and Wario Ama Day, of how many people said, wow, AI is going to

get more powerful. We must take an account of why it was said it would get more powerful, and if there was no reason to other than I think it is number is going up that these people keep telling me they have met smart people in the valley with tears in their eyes, big strong men that told them that AGI was coming. If that is the flimsy, fucking reasoning we have used to send our economy into the toilet, which is what I fear, we should all be goddamn

ashamed of ourselves. I'm not. I'm not ashamed because I've admitted what I am from the very goddamn beginning, which is just a guy with a microphone and a fucking blog, and I'm doing my best out here to tell the truth. If I am wrong, if I am truly wrong, if I got all of this wrong, and AGI comes and the computer eats me whole and shits me out like Kirby, then I will eat crow and I will tell you why I'm wrong in detail. Do you think other people

will do the same when the bubble bursts? Do you think that these people will hold themselves accountable or do you think they will sweep this under the fucking rug. I think they will, and I don't believe listeners should let them, and I will not be letting them either. This isn't going to be an industry takedown, nor will one be coming in the future, but I think journalism needs to do a great deal better. And my frustration is that in the end of all of this, the

people that will get hurt will be regular people. The environmental destruction cannot be unwritten, the theft cannot be undone. No class action suit can make up for the art directors, the translators, the transcribers who are losing their jobs to this right now, and who will even if these things become too expensive to actually run at scale from here

on it, which is very possible. At some point, the price pressure on these careers as they come back will match the price of the AI, not the price of the jobs that they had before. The labor destruction has already happened on a much smaller level than they want

you to believe it, but it has happened. But fundamentally, the AI bubble has damaged the concept of the truth and has damaged the concept of what reporting is meant to do, because an alarming amount of reporting has been there to prove the AI bubble was real, rather than prove what was actually real, to actually hold the accountable powerful, to actually make sure that the truth was being said, even if the truth was ikey, even if the truth

was wow. Tens of billions of dollars each quarter are going into GPUs for products that only lose money, for products that don't really resemble actual labor, and thus can never do any of the things that people are promising. And I like to believe that most people here mean well, that they've just been going on with the market consensus and I can understand that when everyone's honking in the same way, do you want to oink? Do you want

to stand out? At a time when journalists have a tough time keeping their jobs as it is, I blame the people on the top. I blame the people with the largest megaphones. I blame the people who are constantly talking about this as the future and the people that have derision for those who wouldare critique the powerful. And if I'm right, really, if I'm right, there must be some degree of accountability within journalism. There has to be

an apology to readers and listeners and viewers. There won't be there, never will be there, never is, but something has to change once the bubble bursts. And if i'm again, if I'm wrong, I'll explain why I don't do this to be right, I do it because I enjoy it, and I'm very grateful you've give me your time. This is meant to be a regular five to ten minute monologue and it's going to go over twenty minutes. But

I'm frustrated, as you can tell, I'm furious. I'm furious because the markets will take a nasty shit after this, and once the markets realize that big tech doesn't have any other ideas, and the one idea they had that they've been wanking off about for years was nothing. Was a myth that burned millions or billions of dollars. The markets are not going to trust the tech industry anymore. They're not going to trust them as the ultimate growth vehicles.

What do you think that does the startup funding? What do you think that does two jobs in tech? Nothing good? Nothing good at all. I want a better world, and I think you do too. I'm very grateful for your time. It's been a little different. I realized this week. Next week we'll have Steve from Gamers Nextus, who will be talking about the GPU black market in China and of course the things that Bloomberg has done to pull down

that video. And then after that, I'm gonna have a three part episode about how to argue with AI boosters because it's about time we take the walter to these fucking people. Thank you for listening.

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