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Stabilizing Reinforcement Learning with LLMs: Formulation and Practices

Dec 07, 202515 min
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Episode description

The research paper proposes a novel formulation for applying reinforcement learning (RL) to large language models (LLMs), specifically focusing on how a **sequence-level reward** can be optimized using a **surrogate token-level objective** in policy gradient methods. The authors theoretically justify this approximation, showing its validity relies on minimizing the **training-inference discrepancy** and **policy staleness**. Extensive experiments, conducted with a 30B Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) model named Qwen, empirically validate that techniques such as **importance sampling correction**, **clipping**, and particularly **Routing Replay** are crucial for achieving **stable RL training**. The findings suggest that stable training is a more decisive factor than cold-start initialization for achieving comparable final performance across different training setups.

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