Ep. 53: Leave the Mudshark, Take the Cannoli

this song but agrees with the sentiment. I'm Joe Surmelie Miles Nulty, and I hate the Eagles many that's a good one, so do I. And before you can even ask, all right, I'm just gonna tell you that the theme of the show um is a celebration of right coast fishing and that there's nothing you can do about it. Man. Sorry, that's what it is. That's the theme of like half our shows. No it isn't. Yes, that's like, what is it this week? Oh, we're gonna celebrate the East coast again.

Like when do I get to do a celebration of Montana fishing? When does that happen? Never? Never, you know why, because they're already like eight hundred thousand articles, are twenty thousand books, forty bazillion YouTube videos, five million short films, and like a Hollywood movie about that. Like I would say, it's been covered um and and look, dude, nobody cares about your western trout anymore. Okay, they're all dying. They're all dying of heat, exhaustion and COVID. Yeah, I'm right.

In like ten years, Montana will be barren waste land of just like common carbon gold eye. But here here, out here on the east coast, we will still have stripers and snakeheads and chad and mass and catfish mahi we have them, pickerole, we have pike talg um. And even if you traut when we get bored. So that was that was, Are you done? Yeah? I can be. I just think of us like we're like the like the like in water world, like the one piece of land that will be left out here. That was first

of all, that was a low blow. If I'm allowed to talk now, because it's not funny your bleak, for it's true, your whole bleak forecast about the cold water fisheries in the state. It's said, it's all sad, like you're making jokes about our pain. Thank you very much. I've kind of made a career out of that. You know what I'm saying. It sucks, man, Yeah, Like, let's all have a good laugh at the fact that all the fish are dying. I'm honestly just glad I'm not

guiding anymore. That's that's my one true silver line, whatever you wanna call it. I'm I now have the luxury of choosing not to fish without going broke, and not everybody can do that, and that just sucks. But I'm going to step in now in defense of my adopted home because I think you're selling the treasure stage short. First number one, you you made this point without even meaning to gold eye are bad ass, like you made

a jokeling comb and corp and gold eye. But gold eye are sweet, sweet fish and I'm gonna do a fin clips on them very soon because I'm willing to be at least our audience has never even heard of a gold eye, So probably for reminding me, you weren't trying to do me a favorite, but you did. Second, Montana has some of the best overlooked lake fishing in the country. But because of all that oversaturated trout media you mentioned, nobody comes here for anything but the non

native trout. So I'll tell you what, Come do a b side with me. We will fish Montana without ever seeing a trout or picking up a fly rod. That's what we'll do, all right. In fact, to add on to that, I think it would make a fantastic opportunity for you to try out what you've been threatening to

use but not actually using. The coalition swim baits from thirteen Fishing, which one the Bam, the Dean or the Gil the bamp in golden retriever color for exactly that one because it looks enough like a cisco the big pike and smallmouth on a certain lake out here absolutely destroy it. These baits because I know you don't know yet, but they fish very similar to certain other molded swim baits that will run nearly a hundred bucks each. But you can get a coalition swim bait for less than twenty.

And I also know whether told you this, but I think that the shadd eating stripers on your local rivers will hammer these things. I think that they are going to be like extremely effective over there next spring, You've got to set aside. I know you love your like fast aggressive plugging. I know it works, but I'm telling you got tried some slower swim baits and see what happens, because it could be a lot of fun. Well, I

got some news for you, big shooter. I already have some of news, okay, but I just got them like midsummer, so I haven't really gotten it chucked them yet. Um, but I don't have to wait for spring. I don't have to wait for spring. They'll they'll work in the Isn't that when the shad run though, is in the spring? That's that's when the shad run the river. That's river stripers. But you know we have that whole awesome coastal migration that happens twice a year too, So you know, maybe

I heard about that somewhere. I don't know, how are the coastal migrations in Montana? So so so all those coalitions, uh, they'll be playing in salt here with me this fall. Also, thank you for bringing this back to the theme, which is my side of the country, because look, I mean I fished in Alaska, Florida, Montana, Idaho, wyom in Colorado,

Costa Rica, even Brazil that one time. And while I've had a fantastic time in most of those places and field just truly blessed and really fortunate, I've never taken my travels for granted. Um, you know, I I still can't believe I've experienced so many of those fisheries. All that said, though I will never ever ever move away from the East coast of the US. We won't do it. What Here's what I don't get. Why are you always so defensive about like You've been being way more defensive

in this podcast so far. I'm cool, calm and collected. You're the one going off no, but like it's a theme you've got, like this parochial sensitivity, and I don't know where it comes from. Like I haven't said a single derogatory word about your fisheries. I don't think ever on the show, right, So it can't be me, is it? Phil? Are you are you defending yourself against Phil? Hm? Oh, I heard my name, So I'm guessing I'm supposed to say something here, but I don't actually listen to much

of what you guys say. I have a running tally a list of sine and terms you guys used for catching fish, Like I've got hammering, whacking, bonking, augustus glooping, and that's pretty much all I've retained. Honestly, I find that I can just edit out all of your send screw ups while multitasking and actually get something useful done.

Is for example, I just listed my two thousand four Pokemon e X holographic fire red and leaf green articuno on eBay, and man, I'm just gonna sit here and watch those bids stack up to the moon, as they say, but not bitcoin, just real money that I can actually use. See, Phil doesn't even care enough to know what we're talking about. He has no idea what we're saying. He's he's selling things on I don't know what he's doing to Quoll, my favorite movie. You really believe that there's some stored

up conflict that exists between us? There is no us. We don't exist. So what do you want to hit? Man? It's not me. See I'm gonna tell you though, why you don't understand where I'm telling me and why you can't relate because no one ships on the places you've lived, no one makes jokes about Hawaii. That's still like a mecca. I've never been a freaking Hawaii, right, I've never fished in Hawaii. That's like some holy grail stuff. Nobody makes fun of Montana, calling it like the arm pit of

the nation. Right, everybody wants to everybody wants to be I made fun of Montana, but nobody's saying, like, man, you want to talk about a ship hole, Let's go to Bozeman. Like it's beautiful there. It's clean air, clean living, beautiful mountains. So yeah, like I might be a little sensitive. Um, what I really want is I just want all the kids growing up in Jersey, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Delaware, Oh, no, Delaware.

But I want everyone else who lives in places that aren't fishing famous to feel proud and lucky and to know that like they don't have to travel a gazillion miles or move away from their families to be serious anglers. Like we you know, we have a we actually have a whole new season at Doss Boat coming out in

just a few weeks that will further spread that very message. Um. And one of the main characters of that new season, which we've hinted at already here on bent Uh is a guy who makes a perfect ambassador for East Coast fishing. My good friend Captain Frank Crest Telly, who also happens to be the first guest on today's show. He's in the trivia hot seat. You've gotta be highly skilled for these shows. You understand that you're well versed there. You're

very smart man, all right, playing trivia today? Are good friend Captain Frank Crest Telly. Frank? What's going on? Man? How are you are you guys doing? Nobody can see you with us, and you look cautiously nervous. There's nothing to me, so you know, there's nothing at stake in our You win nothing, you lose nothing except maybe some street cred or something like that. Yeah, the street cred is important because so everybody knows. So you uh, you

fish around New York City, you're from Staten Island. You're a New York white kind of guy. You're New York, New York state of mind when you're fishing most of the time. Oh yeah, oh yeah, which is important because I tried to always craft questions for trivia, like really tailored them to the guests, and I gotta tell you I'm not that worried about you losing dignity at least on the first question, because I think you're gonna get it. But I think you're gonna get it. But everybody will

understand why. I think this is such a great question for the Bent program. Um, So we're gonna, we're gonna We're gonna stick with a New York theme for your question. For the record, Frank, I don't know Joe's is running this segments, has no idea what so, so we're in this. So this is like Saturnite Live, the the news section.

They're right, you don't know what jokes wrote or whatever, just as professional and hilarious a Saturday Ight Live, Yes, the good Saturday Night Live from the nineties, not whatever the hell they're they're doing now. I don't even know who's on that anymore anyway. Okay, so let's let's play some trivia. Here's where we're gonna start. Here's your first question. Are you ready? Frank, I am ready. I have no buzzer or anything. No buzzer, no buzzer. Are We'll take

care of that later. Fill our audio engineer will put a buzzer in for you. Don't worry. Al Right, here's question number one. Capital Tackle in New York City lays claim to being the oldest tackle shop in America. It was first opened in eight and focused mostly on cutlery, but over time grew into a thriving fishing tackle retailer. During its one hundred and twenty four year history, Capital

has changed locations several times. In nineteen sixty four, the owners relocated the shop to the space directly under which of the following iconic New York City buildings? Before I give you the choices, can you answer that without multiple choice? No? Really? Oh, Frank? Okay, alright, alright, alright, alright, here we go. So here the funny thing about people from Staten Island. You didn't go to New York City a lot, okay, but you know of Capital Tackle. So

here's your choice. Certain Capital yep? So was it under a the flat Iron building, be the Hotel Chelsea, see the war Worth Building or D one Pen Center. Mm hmm. So I know they used to be in Chelsea at one point, like twenty three or something. I will add this isn't necessarily their current location. This is at one point they were under think right, we're going with Woolworth war Worth Building. See that is incorrect. The answer. The

answer is b. It was located underneath the Hotel Chelsea. Um. And for yes, and for those of you unaware, right, that is rife with music history. Miles, I know you know the Chelse Jim Morrison, Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, they all did extended stays there. It's also where Sid Vicious of the Sex Pistols supposedly murdered his girlfriend Nancy Bunget. Yes, and Nancy the movie that's where it was set. Anyway,

it is. It is a killer shop. I've been there, though not in the Chelsea location because they moved again in two thousand six. Um. But it's so weird to be in Manhattan looking at this massive selection of everything, every tuna plug, every bastlord, everything, the latest and greatest right there. And um actually once read this great article about it, about all the non fishing weirdos that come in there and the things that they buy because they

cater to all kinds of clients. So man, I know, I know, I know that the Staten Island crowd doesn't play in Manhattan that much, but for some reason I figured I think, yeah, I'm starting off to a very good story. Well hopefully this will be a little bit better. Um, because this one, this one's about cannoli's. So the last time I hung out with you, when we when we

parted ways, we parted on a cannoli. You presented a box of cannolis from Staten Island, and um, that had really pretty baker string on it, which you cut open with a stiletto like you just popped out a switchblade to cut the twine off the cannoli's, which was so fitting. And I gotta say, I know, but it should have been. Um, But I'll tell you what man like driving home with that, I was driving down Long Bee Child and eating a cannoli. It was the best cannoli I've ever had in my

entire life. So that's that's what we're going for. Your Italian. You know your cannoli. So let's do let's do a little cannoli trivia, because why not? All right? I got a lot of good cannoli stories, by the way, Oh really I'm interested in those. We'll save those for another show though. So here's your question. The cannoli comes from Sicily. Everyone agrees on that, and they estimated to merge between eight and but historians say the exact origin of the

of the dessert is up for debate. Two theories have emerged as the most likely scenario. So, I'm gonna give you three options for the origin of the cannoli. You have to tell me which of these three is made up. One of these is fake. So a during the Arabic rule of the island of Sicily, concubines in the Arab Prince's harem would prepare lavish meals, which included cylinder shaped

pastries filled with ricotta, almonds, and honey. Uh. Second option, canolis were invented by field hands that worked the olive groves and needed a meal that was easy to carry, and they didn't get sweet until later. They started out as pastry filled with ricotta and whatever protein like fish or mutton was available or be Nuns invented the cannoli in a Sicilian convent when they filled pastry shells with ricotta, sugar, and chocolate and almonds for carnival celebration similar to Mardi

Gras just before Lent. One of those is not a proposed origin of the cannoli. Okay, I'm gonna go with the the olives with the uh, you know, the that had other proteins in there. That's correct, that's the fake answer. That is the fake answer. So you don't know anything about tackle in Manhattan, but the man knows. Man being down to would have been a tremendous amount of pressure. Well, what's what's the quote, leave the gun, take the cannoli. Yeah,

that's you took the cannoli and left the tackle. If I would answered the wrong Cannoli question, it would have been lights out for Captain Frank. You and Frank should do a Cannoli tour of New York. I would watch that and we do like we met either we do food shows, right, food shows are popular. People like food shows. We could we get it? Could we do one? Could

we get away with that? First of all, I worked in New York for ten years, and now, especially with the fact that it's like a crime filled baron waste land post COVID, that's I'm not going to New York for Cannoli's. It has to be a life or death situation to go into Manhattan right now. But also I don't think that would work at all because per Vice

and several other media outlets. I don't think you can you can talk about cooking or eating on TV unless you have tech two sleeves, which I don't know what I mean. Maybe you could get the sleeves going, or maybe maybe your kids could pay them on for you, like little like temporary ones, and your kids some very tattoos. They're covered in him. It's ridiculous, but I'll look, I'll least give you this much like, there are really only two things I'm good at in my life. That's fishing

and eating, So maybe you never know. I also believe I'm pretty good at beating your ass in the weekly internet search competition we like to call fish news. Fish news that escalated quickly kicking off fish News. This week, I'm giving a shout out to Coast to Sunglasses. Yeah, Coast does occasionally run ads on our show, But what what I'm What I'm gonna say right now has absolutely nothing to do with any sponsorship or partnership or advertising. They're not paying me to influence you in any way.

I know, I know we live in a strange world of advertorial prostitution, but that not what this is about. I really just want to give them credit for an idea and a product that I think is exceptional. So Coasta partnered with a company called Burreo, who collects discarded nets from subsistence fishing communities in South America and then recycles them into quality raw plastics. Discarded fishing nets are one of, if not the biggest contributor to ocean plastic pollution.

So far, Barreo is collected about five and a half million pounds of discarded plastic nets Coasta. Right, Coasta is using some of that plastic to make sunglasses. They got their Untangled series which are all made from those nets, and they actually started doing this a few years ago. And I loved the idea, but the only styles they had were those like flat square frames. Yeah, I remember when this was a big drop at I cast that year. It was it was a cool idea, but I'm like,

you need more styles. Yeah yeah, But I'm not wearing that because I mean, maybe that works for the fashion conscious crowd, but that's not me. I don't. I don't wear anything but wraparounds basically ever, because I want to actually block the sun for one and two, I want to stop hooks from flying into my eye holes. Well, Coast had just released a series of wraparound frames made

from the Barreo recycled nets, and they're fantastic. I have They're really they're excellent right coast of lenses or top of the line. But the truth is, like most high end sunglasses these days have quality lenses there I'm not I'm not gonna get into which one is slightly better than the other. There are a lot of good lenses out there, but the fact that Coast is now selling their lenses in performance frames made from discarded fishing nets

to me that that's another level. Like, I think they're great. So if you're in the market for a pair of shades, I recommend checking those out. Joe, you got anything this week? No, I just add to that that I'm I I have not gotten a pair for myself yet, but just looking at them compared to the old style, much more excited about these. And I didn't dislike the old ones, but I'm like, these are like yachtwear more so than fishing

you know, um other shout outs. The only thing, well, the only thing I'll say, just just so that everybody understands that we are listening to you, even if we don't always respond. Thanks to the ten million people who sent me the link to Rusty Van Ranch on Instagram. They were like, you think that Nick Bailey dude tricked out his tuggy. This dude put like a freaking jet ski motor in his and he's ripping like fifty. So now I'm touring because like, do I send my son's

tuggy to Nick or Rusty Van Ranch? I haven't decided yet. I mean that the price is gonna matter, but but thank you received. Okay, got it? Tuggies. The people have been asking us to make like a Bent tuggy shirt and I'm like, well, we haven't even made a Bent Bent shirt yet. That's a whole other story. But like, yeah, maybe so just maybe Tuggies inundated. That's all I got nothing else this week? All right, Well, quick reminder, this is a competition. Joe and I have no idea what

stories the other bring to the table. And at the end are miraculously resurrected audio engineer who's who's recovering nicely in case you're worried. He's recovering nicely from his little boating incident and they gave him three and he sees a brisk ice tea and now he's fine. That's the best part the whole thing. He almost has complete use of three toes. It's it's really coming together. At the end of this, he's gonna choose a winner. I am up first this week, and I've got a new invasive

fish species to report in Texas. Lay it on me. Earlier this summer, the first silver carp was confirmed in Choctaw Creek, a tributary of the Red River, which is itself a tributary of the Mississippi River. Silver black and big head carp have been making their way up the Mississippi for years, so it's no surprise that they found their way up to Texas. Wildlife officials have been anticipating this for quite some time. Big head carp were confirmed

in the Red River a couple of years ago. I now most, if not all, of you know why these fish are a problem. They're prolific, fast growing, and nearly impossible to get rid of, and they disrupt ecosystems by consuming huge quantities of plankton, algae, and micro invertebrates, which are the base of any water bodies food chain. Native bait fish like shad and juvenile sport fish like bass depend on the same food source, so we know it's we know it's a problem. Choctaw Creek dumps into the

Red River just fifteen miles downstream of Dennison Dam. Dennison is a non navigable dam, meaning that no infrastructure exists for boat or fish passage upstream. And while usually these kinds of dams are detrimental to native fishes, in this particular case, this is like the bulwark. This is what's stopping them from getting into Lake Texoma and potentially harming the valuable recreational fishery there. Managers are worried, however, that

anglers might inadvertently transport carb into the lake. Netting bait below the dam is super popular, like right in the tail race and juvenile carp are difficult to distinguish from other big fish because they all look like Texas big time striper lakes, so you know them for them Texma stripers problematic maybe, so officials are worried. That's just like a matter of time before someone throws a cast net and ends up with the carp that they put on for bait and take it up with the stripers and

then yet boom, they're there. But so far no car found in Lake Texoma. A couple of weeks ago, The Dallas Observer published a lengthy profile on Stephen Banazac, a thirty year old Plano, Texas native, who recently set out on a mission to find silver carbon Texas waters, and he succeeded arrowing the twenty one pounder and Shocktaw Creek

and turning it into Texas Parks and Wildlife. In the article, Banazak is heralded as a pioneering outdoorsman on a quest to say of Texas is native fisheries from invasive carp But after reading the article, I gotta say, I think I think this is more about business and profit than protecting fisheries. So he's petitioning Texas Parks and Wildlife to recognize his silver carp as a state record catch. He

told the Observer. When I knew these fish were around, I realized there's no record for them, so if I get one, that's automatically the record. Banazac owns and operates Tight Lines Guide service, which offers catfish and striper charters on Lake Texoma, as well as bow fishing trips for carp, guar, and buffalo. He was quoted as saying, if you don't want these fish in there, you need people that are

going to fish for them, particularly bow fishermen. If you want to give them a reason to go spend their time and hard earned money just to go after these fish, and you do that with a record system. If you don't give them a record, fishermen are not going to be out looking for them. I personally am not convinced the creating a state record will Incenterviz bow fishers to target these fish on the Red River. But record record carb holder looks good on his website, and that's exactly

where I'm going right. Doing so would give banzact state record which he could then use to promote his business, just like you're saying. And it seems like he's the only person running bow fishing trips for big head and silver carp on the Red River right now, So yeah, that helps him a lot. The publicity might get more people to start targeting those fish, which could keep the

population check to some extent. But both fishing has never stopped an invasive species from spreading in a new ecosystem, never happened. No. Additionally, if we create a profitable industry around taking people bow fishing for carp here, we actually incentivize keeping carp around. And if you need an example what I'm talking about, just look at what's going on with invasive hogs in Texas right now, because it's a very similar situation. I'm not opposed to bow fishing for

carp Okay, can I say again, not opposed. I think invasive carp or what bow fishers should be targeting. But I think either either Banazak is being disingenuous here and I don't know the guy, I'm not sure, or the Dallas Observer wrote a completely overblown story to get clicks. It's maybe a combination of the two. I don't know. But what I do know is this is not about protecting native fish. Benazak told the Observer, quote Lake Texmas a big striper lake. That's a big worry the silver

carp hitting Lake Texonma. It's going to cut the shad population down so it won't be able to sustain the striper population that it has. And that's big business gone right here. Stripers are a big business. They bring in an estimated million dollars to the local economy, benefiting his guide service and many other businesses in the area, but they are not native fish. I'm not. I'm not dogging

out Zack. I'm really not. I'm not dogging him or anyone else for both fishing for carp or for building businesses around both fishing for carp or for taking people out striper fishing. I support all those things. I hope the guy is wildly successful in his endeavors. But I do take issue with cloaking all of this in a narrative of quote the survival of native wildlife, as the article claims, because that's just not what this is about.

And when we slept conservation labels on fishing and hunting efforts like this one, we undermine the real credible ones. And that's that's my main issue with this. That's where I find a problem in what's going on. I mean, I feel the same way. Man. If you see a way to make your business more money because these things are there, good, go for it. Promote, yeah, promote the bow fishing charters, do you know, Go whack them and

stack them, whatever you gotta do. But um, yeah, it's one of those funny little twists, right how we're all about saving native fish. But then you're right, there stripers aren't native, not native, and is in that the problem with so many arguments around so many invasive things, it's like, well, these are invasive, they're gonna take away this. I'm like, but this isn't native either, and like that's been like the root of all I mean, that's everything snake had.

Same deal these guys too, like, oh, we shot twenty last night, we're getting rid of him. No, you're not. Like all the bow fishing efforts in the world. That's great, go out there, shoot him that it's been twenty years. That's not getting rid of them. But same thing, like how how many of these invasives are we killing to save natives that aren't natives? So um, and it undermines your whole argument when you start going down that road. You can say these are new and we want to

stop them in their problem. We don't want to upset what we've got going. Great. You have to pretend this is all about saving native fishes. That's just not that's just a lot. Yeah, like you know what, that might save some alligator gar but that's not where you make it money. You make it on stripers. That's a native fish though, right there. So it's funny, and dude, I gotta tell you what. Sometimes maybe we'll see if it lasts this whole this whole episode, but sometimes we just

like get really in sync. And the parallels between this story and my first story aren't just it's it's like cosmic. Yours is about silver cart mine's going to be about silver kings. Okay, So I'm taking it. I'm taking a page from your book and and sort of creating a news item out of something that's not officially news, but it's generating enough chatter in my area that I think it's worth talking about. And ironically, like I said, has

to do with tarpen. So this is somewhat piggybacking off of your tarpen mishandling story about Josh Jorgensen, otherwise known as black tip Age. So New Jersey is certainly, in

no way, shape or form considered a tarpin state. Yet folklore has existed here for at least my entire life as long as I can remember that from time to time some poons straggle this far north in the summertime in particular, and as I always understood it, many many decades ago, I mean talking like early nine hunds twenties, like way way back, right, it was it was actually fairly relative to be common to see some in this summer um, and it's gotten much less so over the years.

But to this very day, in New Jersey Zone Delaware Bay, there's a cove called Tarpen Cove and a gut called tarp and gut, And they were named that for a reason, right. Um, when I was a little kid, I even remember you'd hear rumors about a few tarpin being landed here there by surf anglers. I remember in Brigantine there was a rumor um. But regardless, there aren't really you know, photos flying around, you know, like it's it's just it's it's

mostly chatter. Um. And the whole idea of this Jersey tarpan thing lives in that sort of gray area between I guess, like loose historical record and pure myth, right

like it's like bouncing around in there somewhere. Well. In the last week of July, Fisherman's Headquarters, which is a great tackle shop on Long Beach Island, posted a series of photos of Jake Klein with what I'd say is a fifty sixty pound tarpin and the fish looks pretty rough, prompting the first round um of manners to ask questions like well, what's going on? Like did you find that washed up dead? And so on? Right, because naturally did

you throw up a tarp in Jersey? Everyone wants to know the story right now, Well, it looks rough because Jake didn't catch it with a hook. He speared it while diving off of the North Jetty and Barney gat Inlet place. I'm very familiar with your right. So now I have to give Fisherman's Headquarters some credit because they

were very smart. Instead of posting their usual commentary, which would be like, look it's so and so with these big fluke from whatever party boat whatever it may be, right, given props to their anglers, they captioned these photos with nothing but a simple direct quote from Klein himself, which read, if you were fishing in Florida and caught a forty pound striper, you would have dot dot dot end quote, as if to say you'd have shot it or kept

it now. Also that Klein, who I guess can't be more than maybe twenty six, is also a charter captain per his Instagram page. Though I mean I've not heard of him. Charter captains pop up every week, there's a new charter captain, so similar to the black Tip age story on just on a much more local or maybe

regional level. People are flying off the handle over this, right like the rod and real guys are naturally outraged, but even a lot of people, based on the comments from the spear fishing community like dude, you're you're making this look really bad here, right you have? You have people commenting like, well, now let's see you eat it. You know, one one thousand years of bad karma, Like, people are pissed. Um, And just like the Black Tips story, fair to point out that you know, he did absolutely

nothing illegal. He broke no laws by shooting that fish. And as we've said, we always prefer to take our news from some news source rather than just comment on on social media posts and rumblings. So I grappled with whether or not to bring this one out, but I did my due diligence and I searched like hell to find something more of an official rite up about this

um and I could not write. So what I did was I reached out to a very good friend of mine who works in East Coast fish media who shall remain nameless because we needn't drag anyone else into this, but he told me his crew. They debated covering it, but ultimately decided that this kid absolutely took that shot for the attention and they aren't going to give him anymore. So a more official write up may eventually pop up somewhere, but as of this recording, none of the Northeast fishing

media outlets have picked it up. But we had a nice chat about it and some interesting points came up. So my buddy says he absolutely would not have taken the shot. I would not have taken that shot, but he said, you know, and and there's some truth to what he's saying. Years ago, before social media, this kid would have probably still taken the shot and might have been like lauded as a hero because he broke the long standing myth about Jersey Tarpin and proved that they're here.

And he also pointed out and I remember this a few years ago, um a spear fisherman in Rhode Island shot a big Gasku com barras snapper and everyone thought that was super cool. Like nobody gave him a hard time about shooting this rare visitor to the area. Um, but of course you can eat those, which makes a whole lot of difference in the spear game. So these are kind of my like top level thoughts on the whole thing. We'll see. I'm curious to hear what you

have to say. Um. Naturally, I think he should have passed, right. But again, we live in a world where if it didn't happen on social media, didn't happen right, I would have come up and said, holy sh it, you guys are never gonna believe what I saw down there, and without a go pro on your head to prove it, like, either you believe me or you don't, Like, what are you gonna do? Right, But I wouldn't have killed the

tarpin to prove that it was down there. Um. Second uh, though a lot of people are suddenly acting like we have an established tarpin fishery in Jersey and this asshole is ruining it. Like I saw several comment set We're like, ah, they're already rare, and now there's one less Like dude, If anyone is catching tarpen here like has a pattern, they are the most hush hush angler on the planet,

and not many of those people exist anymore. Okay, um, But that said, if this kid did this to promote his charter business, my god, if he had caught that on a rodden reel, dude, and like got the pictures and released it, he'd be he'd be a hero. And it's a real shame it didn't work out that way.

What I would have done. I think if I were diving and saw that fish, Remember it's on hard structure, it's like hanging out around in particular jetty, I would have ran back out there with a boat saying, you know what, man, there's like at least one, maybe a few tarpin holding on this jetty, and I'd have tried to catch it. Legit. That's what I would have done. But it's creating quite the little scuttle but here, I wouldn't be surprised if it if it grows a little more,

because it's very recent at the time we're recording this. Yeah, I saw a little bit about this, but I didn't really it made it. It It made it to you, Yeah, I mean in the general fishing media consciousness, when someone kills the tarp and in Jersey people are talking about it. Wow, I'm surprised, man, because, like I said, I couldn't find written I mean other than forums and Facebook and stuff like that. No, No, I just saught on social media.

That's what I saw. That's not like any anything beyond that. And look, I don't have any much to say beyond what you just said except that whether we're talking about spearing or hunting any kind of lethal take, you don't shoot anything you're not gonna eat. And to me, that's that is the kind of the line in the sand all drawn that I guess is I hope he eats it. I really do, because otherwise, yeah, I mean, I would love to know what happened to it, but I'm guessing

it wasn't that. I just I just have a hunch. You know, I think you're probably right. But that's that's where I I land on that. I don't think it's ethical to shoot anything. I don't even care if I don't care what you're talking about tilapia, right, if you're if you're if you're gonna kill some thing, eat it, yeah, I will say. Though, Like as as the guy who lives here, I mean, that sucks that he killed it, but it's also like damn he did really exciting. Dude

called a tarpin in my backyard. Like that's pretty rad, you know, So, um, could that be the only one? Yes? Does it mean like there's schools of tarpin out there? No, it doesn't, but still it's pretty bad ashes to know that fish was there. Yeah, that is exciting. And although I will say it's not making me go, you know,

my next tarpin trip should be exactly. But that's how people are behaving in the comments, like we have a good thing going here, and you're really, we don't have any You've never caught you caught one, So I don't have a perfect segue other than talking about eating fish, right, and you're talking about a fish that that no one eats, and I'm gonna be talking about fish that only exists

to be eaten. Earlier this year, the first genetically modified salmon were sent out across the Midwest and East coast and route to American plates, forks and stomachs. Aqua Bounty, the company producing the fish, inserts genes from chinook salmon and ocean pout, which is an eel like looking fish, into Atlantic salmon, causing them to produce growth hormones year

round instead of just during the summer. The result is a fish that looks like an Atlantic salmon, but can reach maturity in sixteen months instead of thirty six months, while consuming less food. Oh that's creepy. That's a very that's very soilent. Green Era Aqua Bounty has branded their newly created fish aqua Advantage, and just announced plans to open a brand new, large scale aquaculture facility in Pioneer, Ohio.

The idea for the super salmon has been in the works for for almost twenty five years, but the long delay in completion has had far more to do with regulation and fears about potential impacts of genetically modified fish than issues with the technology to produce them. The f d A approved the salmon as safe and effective in but for the last six years they've been mired in skepticism, bad press, and litigation. You might remember the all the frank and fish articles that we're bouncing around a few

years ago. I can't remember all that. So these are the same fish, got it? Plus? Aquaculture in general has been uh shall we say, dealing with some controversy lately, with with the escape of farmed Atlantic salmon in a fuget sound in sev and just a growing concern over the impacts that fish farming can have on water quality and native fish stocks. So Aqua Bounty has had to deal with a combination of public distrust and ongoing lawsuits in order to finally bring their fish to market. But

they've done it. The U s d A requires food with genetically modified ingredients to be labeled when sold in stores, so you might start seeing Aqua Advantage salmon popping up in your local grocer soon and it will say that on it. But those requirements don't extend to restaurants or food service operations, which means consumers are already eating these fish without knowing it. Oh god, we had sushi like

the other night night mess of salmon writing. No, this is perfect, dude, because my knee jerk, initial gut reaction is exactly yours. It's it's it's discomfort, it's distrust, it's fear, it's worry. Right, genetically modified fish just it just feels like a bad idea for and and addition to that, for all the reasons we've covered in past episodes of the show, I'm wary of aquaculture generally, and especially when it comes to salmon. But in researching this piece, I

came across an article from the Genetic Literacy Project. They are a source that openly advocates for the benefits of genetic modification food, so you got to consider that they have an inherent bias. But the article was very well written, and it brought up a point that has forced me to examine my thinking. You remember a few months ago, like a month and a half ago, two months I reported on efforts in Florida to save the corals which are being wiped out by a bacterial infection called storm

stony coral tissue disease. One of the primary efforts you may recall, that researchers are undertaking, is to genetically modify corals to be more resistant to bacteria lab settings, and then seed those modified corals back into the ocean. And

I applauded that effort. The article about modified salmon brought up those efforts with coral as an example of genetic engineering being used to save oceanic ecosystems, and I had to ask myself, why am I repulsed by alter salmon but totally supportive of altered coral the obvious Well, yeah, the obvious answer is that I don't eat coral. But that's not actually true, right, because coral is the base

of many oceanic food chains. So if we put a bunch of modified coral into the ocean, we're still eating it, just indirectly. And yeah, I'm gonna go on from there, right, So that that just made me think a little different, Like why am I okay with this but not that? And if you're gonna farm salmon like landlocked Pioneer Ohio seems a lot safer than mid ocean net pens, where they can spread disease and toxins into the sea and

maybe escape right causing significant impacts on wild salmon. And for if you're like me and you don't know where Pioneer, Ohio is and you have to look it up, it's in the far northwest corner of the state. It's not adjacent to any of the Great Lakes. I'm still not convinced this is a good idea, and I'm definitely not comfortable with the fact that people are eating these fish without knowing it. But I I can't say that I

outright condemned the practice. I just I don't know enough, and I want to look at this logically instead of emotionally. If we if we actually can raise salmon in Ohio that consume fewer resources and don't pose a threat to wildfish, wouldn't wouldn't that be a good thing? Ye know how, I'm gonna say one more thing, and I'm gonna let you jump in. I don't know how I can I

can reasonably say. I'm I'm all for genetic modification to save corals, but I'm totally against it when it comes to fish because I like to think of myself as rational, right, so I think your rational if and if I take another step back, humans have been genetically modifying organisms for millennia, Like, how do you think we got Chihuahua's from wolves? That's that's what we did. And I just I'm not rushing out tomorrow and being like, man, I want to get

me a big side of awkward advantage. But partially that's because I don't eat farm salmon and at all. Also can't condemn this whole thing here. Yeah, Okay, I think I can. I can clear this up for you. And this is just speaking personally, like I want to be the person who only eats fish that I caught or I know where it came from. But that is just an impossibility. I don't fish enough to do that. I'm not like, I can't. I don't make a grocery run out fishing to make sure I have enough X y

Z for the year. Right, So if I were to go to the grocery store and see this aquiform salmon, I'd be like, oh no, I'm not buying a filet of that. But when I'm hungry for a sushi roll, then I don't want to think about what it is. I'm just going to eat it. So it's it like, yeah, I can sit and be like I don't like all this either, but like I'm not kidding, Like we ordered sushi, then we ordered sushi the other night. The place down the street has great salmon. I'm sure it's already farmed salmon.

It might not be genetically modified, but I know they ain't serving me wild saltwater called Alaskan king salmon in there. But it's like out of sight, out of mind. She's like, I want sushi in my belly right now. So I but if given the choice, like looking at a at a a seafood market, where it's like here's wild Copper River salmon, and here's the ship from Ohio. I'm taking the I'm taking the Copper River every day. Yeah, of course you are. But there are a lot of people

who are just looking for the cheapest salmon they can find. Well, is this the question really is is this change or these genetically modified salmon a net positive or net negative in that bigger picture? And I don't know. I get, I mean another thing too write and this this is what sounds snarky and it is, And I don't care, like my my thoughts are on on all these aquaculture deals.

It's like, um, if you're a person that just likes to eat fish or it's an and part of your diet, you want that for the protein, but like you don't really care, like you just want the fish, then like you eat that. In otherwords, I guess I'm saying like I wish like all the people who weren't fishy and like didn't I didn't care about whether it was a wild salmon or not, like that's you guys, eat that

and just let us catch our own fish. That would be fine, like farm everything you want for like my mom, you know, what I mean, like, she didn't care what it where, she orders the salmon. She's not worried about it at all. That's perfect, you know. And then the handful of us that care, we care. But I think the handful of us to care. The choices that people who don't care make imcludes impact all of us. And so I want to know that they're that those people

who are just buying whatever comes up. I would like to think that we are creating systems that put our fisheries and and resources at large and less jeopardy as a result of their choices. My choices. I'm already looking at that stuff. Most people are not, and that's who this is for. And and I just am trying to figure you're out, and I don't have this sussed out well enough. My initial reaction is like you jenetly modified bad. But as I think it through, maybe maybe for all

the people you're talking about, this is a net positive. Yeah, I mean, I I honestly feel that the average person, average Joe American, doesn't put the thought into this. You go out to a fancy dinner and like, there's a salmon special. I've never seen somebody order the fancy salmon special and be like, this definitely is not wild. Call it like the average person doesn't know, right, it's salmon salmon saying, so give him that salmon and I'll be like,

I don't eat that, but you enjoy um. In case the genetically modified salmon backs up the guts, I have a story here that that might help you out. And boy, this is a fun one. Uh So, there is no denying that natural treatments, right, alternative medicine, homemade alternatives to chemical heavy products. They're a big thing these days. Right, you go on Instagram, You're inundated with this stuff. You

know I'm talking about. It's like, you know, I don't don't use pert plus, try this natural shampoo, don't use real bug dope, like mix this rude bag oil with green tea. Um. Anyway, I've not bought into any of this in fact, and this is off topic, but I just because we've we've we've talked about nostalgic smells here. I was just thinking last weekend, while fishing with my son, how the scent of off makes me think of fishing

with my grandpa. And I thought of of of of my pop fondly as I instructed my three year old to close his eyes so I could just blast his face with deep woods off. Um. Anyway, you'll know it's working when you can't feel your lips. But I digress anyway. For kicks, I looked up leading uh natural remedies for constipation and among many other things. If you're just too healthy for two tabs of coal and blow or mirror lax you can try water, prunes, coffee, olive oil, probiotics, salt,

or herbal laxative. Or you could man up and do it like they apparently did in age in China and jam alive veal right up your ass. So this story comes from Newsweek and it begins take the story as a lesson of what not to do under any circumstances. Ever, a man in China has been hospitalized after using a live eel which he inserted up his anus and into his rectum to cure his case of constipation. Oh my god. Okay, so this man has somehow managed to keep his name

out of the story, and good for him. Um, But but he he inserted an eight inch or eight inch live eel up there, and when it reached his colon, the eel the inner lining made a hole and ended up swimming around dude's abdomen. Dude, okay, but this is the insane thing, right, This is the insane thing that wasn't the insane thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna make it more insane. Okay. This is not some wacky because I've I've been known to grab these. This is not one.

This is not one of those wacky one off weekly world news stories. Right. This has been documented many times and it's supposedly a known folk remedy for constipation in Chinese his culture. So according to this story, Men's Journal ran a story in two seventeen about a man that tried this, and it says in that case, the forty nine year old man was rushed to the hospital, where

doctors performed an emergency surgery to remove the eel. When they asked how that eel had gotten into his system, he told him it swam up by itself, before eventually confessing that he had put it there. The story goes on. In twenty Fox News reported a similar incident. In that case, the eels tore through the man's intestines, causing a serious infection, and that's per the head of General surgery at the

hospital that treated him. That doctor said, we opened him up and noticed a large amount of fecal water mixed with blood. There was severe swelling, and we found two very I hope nobody's trying to eat breakfast. I hope they. I hope you're having a tunus subway HOGI hope right now. Um. So there was severe swelling and two very thick swamp eels at the bottom of his abdominal cavity. Um, and this dude required all kinds of surgery to as up

his intestines. So in this recent case, though, the man was he was apparently racked with abdominal pain, but similar to that other story, too embarrassed to seek medical help. So I guess he finally couldn't take it anymore and he gave in and they performed emergency surgery. And the doctor said it was like in the nick of time because there was a bad bacterial infection starting in his abdominal cavity that probably would have killed him, like dude would end up biting it. Um. So a couple of

just other fun notes. The eel was still alive, which that bobbles my mind and speaks to the resilience of eels in general, because I mean, dude, your insides are pretty acidic, right, Like that's crazy, and that that's some ship straight out of Aliens with the chest burster. It's not right, um. And I also a cross reference this story just to see if there was anything different on the other news sites that that ran it, and there wasn't.

But many of them used an image of a Moray eel, which is even funnier to me, like a big giant cream worry. Um. But you know that's I think. I think the overriding message there is like people think eels. The eels are nasty, and eels have teeth and they are predators, you know what I mean? It ain't a goldfish and scavengers and scavengers. So again, this was not

like a weekly world news deal like this. This seems to have validity that this is a thing that some ancient grandma was like, Ah, you got backed up, let me get your kneel. You know what you need. I don't. I'm gonna take this in a totally personal direction. And so I used to consider myself not that squeamish, but I was quite literally physically twisting around as you told that story. I thought I was going to start with this one time in college, but you've disappointed us all.

I have zero experience with anals in my anus. Um, thankfully, but that really did make I don't think of myself as squeamish show, but you you did make me twist and turn in my seat throughout that whole story. So congratulations, and now you know now you know what not to do. Um. And usually after a story like that, I need a drink. So we're gonna hear from Phil. We're gonna say, hopefully he's even in better spirits than than last week. We're gonna hear from Phil, and then we're gonna go drinking,

you and me. That's my bar. Alright, let's not beat around the bush here. Miles, you win, Joe. I'm gonna do something that I don't think I've done on the show so far, and I'm gonna say that not only does Miles win, but you lose. I wish I could retroactively take away some of your previous winds for sharing the butt eel story. That was unnecessary and frankly just

rude and Miles. Sometimes my kid will just start doing really small chores around the house, like pick up a couple of toys in the living room in the name of altruism. But then he'll come to me and ask for a piece of candy, like he wants a reward, And uh, it kind of reminded me of your guy from your first story. So I think I'm gonna get them together. See if I can set up a play date. I'll pick them up a couple of hot and readies from Little Caesars, and they can set records in Fortnite

all night long. It'll be great. Best God damn bartender from Tim buck to to Portland's Maine, the Portland Argain for that matter. You know, we often struggle with listener names on this show, Like more often than not, I feel like we get names that we we mostly pronounced incorrectly. Butcher but not this week. Okay, this week's that's my bar nomination comes to us from Justin Contra, which finally gives me license to use this clip people our age. At least, I think we'll get that that that that

is a good one. But if if we're gonna do this, what about this one? So that street Fighter too, but I don't recall is that Genesis or or Super Nintendo. I don't think that's original any s. Street Fighter. I don't know. I just wanted the audio. I just wanted the hot Yuken. I don't know where that came from which you pulled the clip. You pulled the clip, and you don't even know what I pulled it for. The Jesus, Phil's gonna come. Phil's gonna come to your house and

beat the ship out of you. Enough about our misspent youth. One of us clearly spent more time with the Street Fighter than the other. Uh. The point is that Justin Contra really took our advice to heart. He put some significant thought in describing his favorite bar. I was already curious about fishing some of the water near the spot, But I now know where I will go drinking if

I ever get there. This the places over in Joe's bart the world nestled and it's it's it's right in the middle of that combat Great Lakes Salmon's Steelhead Brown Trout scene. I've heard about and we talked about all the time. Yeah, and while I've I've spent a ton of time up there, I've never been to this bar. Uh, nor have I fished this particular ship show. But I know people that fish it more so for brown trout than salmon, and then they either tend to crush it

or walk away totally disgusted. It's it's it's usually one of the two, all right, So here we go, Justin writes as one pulls into ho Jack's pothole laden gravel lot. The first of several critical decisions is me, do I park next to the self righteous fly guys whose vehicles are equipped with rod vaults, sim stickers and yetti coolers or the gear junkies with fiberglass spinning rods and frog tall waiters. Excellent detail there, hanging out of the rusty

pickup bed. Choose wisely. The parking lot is visible from the bar, and judgments are made upon entering ho Jack's for here to be ogled by the old timers who can remember oak orchard, or what they call the oak before King Salmon runs and droves of anglers that chase them. The decore is that of a typical nineteen seventies towny joint. A few high tap tables, a yellowish nicotine patina on the ceiling tiles, and a sticky wooden bar top lets you know your home. Oh that's such a good detail.

I could almost a feel that that's sticky bar top like you. Like you said, so, I've heard whispers at least about the oak, but like you, it was always in relation to the brown fishery. Yeah, lake runners, they get salmon, but it's it's the lake run browns that make it famous. Yeah, that's that's what I know about um and and and if I were to go there,

the browns would interest me more than the Kings. Yeah. Anyway, justin continues, did I mention the wood paneling The walls are covered with aging fish mounts, polaroid gribb and grins of dark kings, and photographic reminders of New York distant industrial canal. Passed over the clinking of glasses and rumbles of the local radio station, one can always hear a cacophony of common phrases like he was looked right in

the mouth, and they'll definitely take a fly. Sit there long enough and you'll start muttering those age old adages too, even if you don't believe them. Now, I Miles may not have ever fish there, but even I know about the vehement debate over whether or not those salmon actually

eat or just get snapped. Yeah, yeah, and there there's a famous meme that makes the rounds every season of a king salmon with arrows just pointing to every part of the body, and every arrow is just captioned mouth like you've got the real mouth, the belly mouth, the

ass mouth. Probably, I'm sure you've seen that. So when I was gout in Alaska, we used to call that one in the south mouth like that, you'd have a client yard digg into salmon hooked in the as Inevitably some of the one of the guys would turn and say, oh, would you look at he hit it so hard to sh I did. I had a buddy once that hit me up to ask if I could recommend a fly rod that wouldn't break so he could quickly drag the ass hooked ones in and waste left time between true eaters.

And I was like, I'll give you a piece of calcutta with some guides. I don't know what you want. I know the answer that question. If you can find a classic uh fen glass yep, ten weight fen glass is almost unbreakable. There you go, There you go. If you're still listening. Bud Miles has your back. But yeah, but the eating verse snagging debate is perennial with these fish. Anyway.

Continuing on with Justin's email, bellying up to the bar, you'll find that the pores are generous and you don't have to worry about deciding between a hipster microbrew or a fancy fish them mixed drink, mostly because there aren't. He instead try to earn brownie points with the locals by sticking with something watery in a can to chase a few fingers of wild turkey. If you play it cool. If you play it cool, they might even let you

in on that hot color. Those kings are craving, which has been orange for the last thirty five years or so. Banger like that. Damn, I love that so much. Just hit you, ah mention. You've been struggling to get anything on the stringer, and you'll unanimously be told to just keep adding split shot. This is so accurate, it's frightening, Like this is great, This is poetry knowing it's seen

and and some some salmon fishing advice is just universal. Anyway, back to Justin, he says, if you're feeling like a classier night out with the old lady o Jack's has you covered there too? Nothing says I'm sorry you and the kids haven't seen me since the run started in late September. Like a dozen wings, first smoked and then fried before being drowned in a blueberry bourbon glaze. It

was truly something to behold. But before you get too saucy and complain about that jackass named Diesel who was toss like a chucking duck rig at your feet all day, make sure he isn't sitting right behind you. That's good advice, solid, solid, And here's Justin's fabulous closing. Next time you find yourself an Upstate New York sore from hucking a rosary bead of split shot at luck jawed and mud sharks, wander over to ho Jack's Barton Grill. You won't be disappointed.

Just remember they are closed on Sundays unless the fishing where snowmobiling is particularly good. Justin may have just inadvertently given us a great idea for the next bent sticker, a rosary of split shot with like a giant gob of egg yarn where the cross would be. You let us know, mud shark fans if we should make that

because I think it's brilliant. I concur I think we should, and justin I really do hope I get to drink, and more important than drinking, I hope I get at some of those wings at ho Jack Sunday, because smoke than fried is the only way to go. Even if even if I didn't fish, even if I just sat out the craziness, I could easily spend a day sitting on the sidelines and just watching this whole thing play

out and everyone else out there follow Justice's League. Because that that, my friends, is how you nominate a bar. If if you've got a fishy dive you think deserves some love, let us know with an email to Bent at the meat eater dot com straight up, if you want to see a new sticker design, new Bent sticker with with split shot rosary beads and like a yarnie cross hollow raz I want if enough of you and I don't know what that number is, okay, but if enough of you want them, we might get them made

and make them public. Or we could one up and be like if we hit five stars on Apple in the reviews by nobody will ever get them, So we won't do that to you. But and if if that doesn't happen, we'll just make them for ourselves and maybe for just thanks, just because I would slap that sticker on my eggbox in a heartbeat. Yeah. Same here, Same here. And like, while tying up a slinky rig for mud sharks might sound complicated and time consuming, it doesn't have

to be. It does not demoralizing maybe, but it does not have to be complicated. It's right in fact. Uh, you know, everyone thinks you got to know like eighty nine different complicated knots to be a good angler. But another one of my good buddies, Joe demil Daris, frequent guest here, would disagree. And Jody owns White Tail Country fly Shop on the Upper Delaware River in Pennsylvania and is also another poster child for proud East Coast angling.

Joe's here to close out the show with tackle hacks this week about the only three knots you really need to know. I'm getting hacks coming from inside the city, why the flood? So here comes another one from our cross Current Guide service Guide Shack session. Sitting here with my good friend Joe dimil Daris, How goes it good? How you doing Joe, I'm I'm very good. I am very good. Good to be hanging out here as always. So You've got a lot of experience and guiding a

very long time. I've seen a lot of things and a lot of stuff, and I have learned much from you over the years. I am a better fly fisherman because I know you well. That is actually very flattering because you were like you were, not like some jamoke when you first showed up. So yeah, I mean, I consider myself anyway. So this is tackle hacks. So um man, impart some some of that knowledge on us and give us a little something something that will make all the

listeners out there better anglers. So I've told us a lot of people a lot of times, especially you know, with beginners when I'm teaching them, everybody gets like wound up in not literally but intend not not um but people get what they do. They get all wound up and want to learn all these different knots, right, all these crazy knots, And people ask, you know, oh, I have to use the FG, not to use this not you gonna. Yeah it's great, everything's cool, but you know what,

learn how to tie three? Good? First? Right? Learn three knots listen because here they come and the three. If you want to learn how to tie a good loop knot, a good non slip, whether each breach, whether it's just your regular old if it doesn't have a split ring, I loop not glorifly preach learn a good loop knot all right? And which would you recommend? I just I don't even know the name of It's just called a non slip loop. That's also like the rapt kind of

something like that. And then you like or you can do a perfection loop, will do it too, Okay, So learn a perfection loop, learn a good tippet to lead or not right like I like blood knots. I think they're cool. I think surgeon knots are like for people who just don't want to learn how to tipe, but a right but there there's a jam not right, so they jam against each other. Not a bite not biting knot bite spice, which I think he's great for thicker lines and salt water and for braid and stuff like

that with fly fishing. So this is me a loop, not a blood not and a fly to tip it not now a clinch knot or improve clinch very strong, not a lot of applications, but you know, like if you're coming from the bass fishing world and you don't mind using like an extra two feet a tip at

tie a palamar, I don't really care. But learn that not well tie not three knots well, all right, So don't fret like I canna learn how to tie a biminy, but you can't even tie a clinch knot, you know, So don't worry about the bimony because the time you're gonna need it, you could probably be with some guy. Are you gonna be in a fly shop amy loop to put your fly line on? Have to do there? Do it because you're gonna do it once a year, and you can do it lousy once a year. Well

that's it for this week. But if you are a serious angler living on the East Coast and considering moving away to find better fishing, Joe's giving you some food for thought today. First, the entire western part of the US will soon be a biblical desert of burning bushes where no fish can never survive again. Pristine mountain streams are great and all, but good canolis are better. The best wings on the planet can be found out there,

and make a fantastic kaper. Do a day of chasing mud sharks and dodging split shot and neither driving across the country or learning more knots will help you catch more fish. You'll suck just as much as you did back home. That you well and while you're reveling in you are close to home fishing. Tell us about it. Send your bar nominations, awkward photos, sailbing items, new leads, and pedigree puppies to Bent at the meat eater dot com.

Keep throwing down the degenerate angler and bent podcast hashtags, and maybe, just maybe you'll get a split shot rosary bead sticker in the mail something if that actually gets me. Or just keep praying to the gods would spawned out salmon and pellet truck m life