Bengals Booth Podcast: We Can Work It Out

a first round selection. Then I'll discuss Friday's picks with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham and look at some of the players still available, particularly in the fourth round where the Bengals now have three picks. The Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by Bud Light. Seltzer refreshed the game and here's a quick reminder that you can have the latest edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, google Play, Spotify,

or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since fan interest in the NFL Draft. TV coverage of Round one was seen by an average audience of twelve point six million viewers that matched the rating for the most watch game of last year's World Series. Let's face it, it's an

NFL world and we're just living in it. The Bengals began Friday night with a sixth pick in round two, but traded it to New England, dropping back eight spots and picking up two additional fourth round draft picks, so instead of picking thirty eighth overall, they chose forty sixth, and that meant some anxious moments for Bengals fans every time an offensive lineman was selected. Tevin Jenkins went thirty ninth, Leah Eichenberg went forty second, and Walker Little went forty fifth,

one spot before Cincinnati picked. Still, there were some good options left, like Samuel Cosmei, Dylan Raidens, and the player that Cincinnati ultimately selected, Jackson Carmen, the starting left tackle at Clemson for the last two years, who happens to be from Fairfield High School, where he was one of the nation's top recruits. The twenty one year old is six four, three hundred and seventeen pounds and is expected to compete for a starting guard spot as a rookie.

Former Bengals O line coach Paul Alexander helped prepare more than twenty offensive lineman for this year's draft, including Carmen. Oh. How many times did you work with Jackson? Carmen? Oh? Shoot, we wort together ten days, probably starting around mid season this year. They had a bye week at Clemson, and he came home and I know that title, and the coaches over there at Fairfield and so up together, and we work kind of a a few things, and then you know,

and then this whole offseason. So I'm o him pretty well. He's terrific. What are his strengths. He's a powerful guy. He can knock guys off the ball better than any alignment in this draft. In my opinion. He can stop the bullrush. But he also has terrific balance and agility to pass block. I saw him as a first round pick. I know that, Oh No, Kyper and friends probably hit him lower, but I guess too bad. I think it was legitimate. I think it's a steel. I don't think

it's a reach. I put him in the steel category. Interesting. We're talking to former Bengals online coach Paul Alexander. You did a podcast recently with Dave Lapham and said that there's not a guy in the draft that knows the NFL better than Jackson Carmen. How did that come out in your conversations with him, Well, I've spent a lot of time and we watched film, and we study rushers and we study you know, blockers, and he knows them all.

You know, it's unbelievable. He knows what you have to do to this guy and that guy and the other and so he's and that is very important because modeling in anything that you're successful with. Typically, if you model will and that's your goal and you know about it a lot, then you aspire to be great and more than any guy in the draft. Like you said, Dan and I said it to lap Up and I'll confirm it again, more than any guy in the draft. He knows the league in terms of playing offensive line right

now better than anybody. So Jonah Williams is the left tackle. They signed Riley Reef to play right tackle. It sounds like they're going to give Jackson the opportunity to compete for a starting spot at guard, even though he has not played guard in a game. Before. How challenging will that be? Oh, they'll pick up on it. He's a natural football player. He'll learn it, and he has a chance to really be a dominant guard. But he can

certainly play tackle too. It's a heck of the thing that when when you got a guy sitting on your roster, that if something happens to Jonah or Riley, that the bowling and go out there and play tackle and not skip a beat. His tackle to guard a relatively easy thing to do. It depends on the guy. I think it depends on your physical structure. His structure is such that he's so powerful and has a good center of mass and which is good at guard, that I think

the transition will be seamless. He's a smart guy and he has all the traits to be able to play boats. So some guys can't do it well, it's because they're built like tackles. Well, this kid's built like a guard, built like a tackle, all right. He's kind of that guy that's not too high cut or not too short. He's kind of like great in the sweet spot of which you're looking for in an athlete. He does not have particularly long arms. I think I saw thirty two

and a half inches. Does that make guard his most likely spot? Or that's a wrong measurement, Dad, greg you brought that up when he was at Clemson for the Clemson workout, they measured him at thirty two and a half and I got I almost freaked out because I measured him at thirty three and a quarter, right, And

which is you need thirty three for a tackle? Well, he had a pro Day on the fifteenth of April and they measured him and they measured him at thirty three and a quarter, So they had thirty two and a half that was floating around. Was a wrong measurement and I've got, obviously my measurement, and then a second measurement to confirm the same thing happened with Joe Thomas. If you remember Joe Thomas and everyone's like, oh, my

guy can't play. Taco's arms were too short. You know, they measured him his junior year and they mismeasured him, and then all of a sudden he went to the combine and they said, oh, because arms very long enough, you can play tackle. Yeah, no, kid, that's really interesting. So in his media conference with the Cincinnati Reporters, he spoke reverently about Willie Anderson. Apparently he and Willy have worked together. Will He's give them a lot of advice

and guidance. And obviously you have a very close relationship with Willie Anderson. Do you see some connections there? I do. The two of them have some similar physical traits. You know, they both have good, strong lower bodies. You know, they are powerful people. And then Willie, well, Willie does a lot of work with high school kids and college kids. And you know, Jackson was coming out of high school. He was a top recruiting the country as an offensive life.

He's five star. And you know Willie from the different camps and so forth and recruiting camps. I don't know what they call them now. They used to be under our camps, right or nineteen they have those who but Willie worked those and ness where you got to meet Jackson, and over time they've kept their relationship. And Uh, it's really good because really is able to really is great wisdom.

You know, not only was really a great player, but really gets it and uh and he's a special, special man and that's uh, he was able to impart some of that with Jackson. And I know really recommended him to the Bengals highly, you know, and uh, I know he had talked to do Covin and gave his recommendation, and uh so they're kind of it kind of speaks for it. I think I talked to Mike Brown and I recommended him. It was when I talked to Mike, it was that's the guy he wanted to know about

practically more than anybody. So the Bengals fad their eye on him for quite a while, and so I was answered, I kind of figured they were going to pick him. Interesting, So when they traded back from thirty eight to forty six, did you have it in the back of your head that maybe the NFL was and as high on him as the Bengals were, and that that was really the guy they were targeting. I called Jackson and I told

him exactly that last thing for Paul Alexander. In addition to your expertise when it comes to offensive line play, you study performers in all walks of life and what it takes to excel. Does he have any traits or characteristics that you think will allow him to, you know, exceed under the white hot spotlight of competing in the National Football League. He does. You know the thing I mentioned that he knows the league? All right, so that's great.

He's ultra competitive, all right. I was down. I was down working with him and working with a guy who's plays an NFL left tackle, highly regarded NFL left tack where we're doing some work about a month ago, and jactually, I guess he's trying to make the guy look really bad. You know. Really, he's ultra competitive. You know, he's like, this guy is a good game guy, but I'm better than him. So he is a very high opinion of himself, and not in a naive way, in a way that

I think will help propel him to be great. Paul, I always appreciate the opportunity to pick your brain. Thanks for the information about Jackson. The Bengals Booth podcast is presented by Bud Light Seltzer. It's light and refreshing with a hint of fruit flavor. After going O line in round two, the Bengals went D line in round three with a selection of edge rusher Joseph Osai from Texas. He had sixteen tackles for loss, five sacks, and forced

three fumbles in only nine games last season. Now time to recap Day two and look ahead to Day three with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham. I had the thirty eighth pick. They elected to make a deal with the New England Patriots, dropping back to forty six. They picked up two fourth round picks for trading down. They wind up with the seventeenth pick in the fourth round that originally belonged to Arizona. They also get the thirty fourth

pick in the fourth round. That's a compensatory pick. If you look at the old trade value chart, the thirty eighth pick in the draft is worth five hundred twenty points. If you add up the three picks that the Bengals got an exchange, it's five hundred and twenty six point five. So it's basically an even swap in terms of points. But the Bengals wind up with a couple of extra fourth rounders. Yeah, and I think when you look at it, Dan, that's kind of the the sweet spot of the draft.

You know where people are thinking, particularly you know, some offensive lineman. There's enough depth there on the offensive line where you can do some damage, you know, in the in the fourth round, those middle rounds and even into the fifth round. You know, people are still feeling pretty good about offensive lineman and and I think the Bengals that it was a good, good decision. I think it

was a smart move on their part. They felt good about who they picked, and they got an extra, you know, a couple of fourth round picks, and so doing you know, you get one hundred and twenty second pick, one hundred and thirty ninth pick of the draft. That's pretty strong. It's pretty strong. So let's go back to the third round or to the second round rather and pick number

thirty eight. Because when we did our podcast after round one, we talked about some of the offensive linemen that were still available, and the number one guy on the list was Tevin Jenkins. As it turned out, he was still there at number thirty eight. The only offensive lineman that could picked before that in the second round was Landon Dickerson,

who went thirty seventh to the Eagles. So had the Bengals stayed at thirty eight, they could have had Tevin Jenkins, they could have had Liam Eichenberg, they could have had Walker Little. Those guys were taken between thirty eight and when they did eventually get to pick at number forty six, yeah. I think they had had an idea that there was going to be a run there of those guys and

it and it panned out that way. But they had their guy identified, and of course the great mel Kiper, who hasn't played a snap of football, said that, oh, that's ridiculous. Jackson Carmen, I had, you know, third fourth round, uh, you know and the third round, fourth round. Um, so whatever, I mean, there's gonna All I can say is that there are a lot of NFL teams that when I was talking to him and I said, what do you guys think of Jackson Carmen? Do you think he'll be

there at thirty eight? I don't know. I don't know if he'll be there at thirty eight. He might, you can cross your fingers and hope, hope and pray. So there's a big disparity of you know, where you have guys slotted and evaluated, as always, particularly between the draft gurus you know, and the coaches and the and the scouts and the people that you know are actually gonna make the pick and then coach the players. So um, there's always always some big differences in the way people

look at players. And how about Jackson Carmen, though, Dame you talked about coming full circle playing up at Fairfield, Ohio five star recruit, finalists for the Anthony Munio's Award as the best lineman in the area. You know, highly acclaimed offensive lineman, basically one of the top two recruits in the state of Ohio. Basically everybody thought he was going to go to Ohio State, and he duped everybody

and went to went to Clemson. And now he's gonna come full circle after starting such in a spectacular fashion of Fairfield and going down to Clemson and proving himself worthy at the in the offensive line and getting drafted by the hometown team and coming back home to play a professional career. That's a that's a pretty good story. That's a that's something that you have to see it

to believe it. I guess two people that Mike Brown really respects when it comes to offensive line play sang Jackson Carmen's praises, Willie Anderson and Paul Alexander, who is a member of the coaching staff for a long time. When those two guys tell the Bengals that they think that Jackson Carmen is going to be an excellent NFL offensive lineman. The Bengals are listening, There's no doubt about it. And uh, you know, I think that they both they

both understand the athleticism that the big guy has. I mean, he is light on his feet, he can get up on his toes when he needs too, He's got tremendous balance, He's extremely athletic, and he's got he's got a tremendous skill set. And both, obviously Willie and Paul Alexander teach the same sort of techniques and they have the same evaluation of them. And they were very, very high on him and feel like he's going to be able to play well for a very long time in the National

Football League. Initially sounds like he's going to be inside at the guard position, but doesn't mean that he wouldn't necessarily slide out and see how he could play at the tackle. Spody played left tackle down there at Clemson and played it well. I think that watching a little

bit of their their tape that was interesting though. We had their offensive line pickup stunts and tried to man block everything and kind of put him behind the eight ball in a few type in a few instances that it wasn't due to his lack of proficiency physically and athletically. It was just a, I think, a tough thing to try to execute. But I think he's he's a really

really good football player. And two guys that I have a lot of trust in their evaluation as well, and people that they know around the league and people they talked to, the Sims boys filling Chris Simms, both had very strong opinions that he was going to be a high pick, and everybody's right. It turned out that he was a higher pick than people some people may have thought, like mel Kiper. So he is expected to compete for a starting spot at guard. You asked him the question

you ever played guard before? He said, no, I've practiced it guard, I've never played it in a game. You can speak to this because you played all five positions in a game at the NFL level. How difficult is that transition going to be at the highest level of football. Yeah, it's it's interesting. Um. The biggest the biggest difference is when you go from the from the outside inside, things are faster. Things happen in a much faster, faster pace. Uh,

there's there's you have to make quicker decisions. Your your brain has to process things a little bit quicker. You'll have twists inside with linebackers and down linemen that you don't necessarily experience on the outside when you're past protecting against the defense. Ven usually it's you got the defensive end. You have the defensive end almost every single repetition. So it's it's it's a little bit uh, a little bit like being on the Autobahn in terms of speed on

that interior. So it's more of a mental adjustment, I think than a physical adjustment. I don't think he'll have any any real big physical adjustment at all. I mean, he's a he's a specimen, and he does have great athletic ability, but it's just a mental part of it. And and I think that's what they like too. I like his football acumen. They think he's got you know,

intelligence overall raw intelligence and football intelligence as well. They're they're pretty high on him, and um, I think he I think he got some pretty good grades when the when the Bengals, uh, you know, I evaluated that tape that that he put put on put on celluloid there for everybody to take a look at. When he was down there at Clemson, Jackson Carman played well surgery for a herniated disc in January. How big of a red flag is that? Yeah, I guess, I guess you were

recovered pretty darn well pretty quickly. Um, there doesn't seem to be any issue with it, but you know, obviously it's something that you know you're gonna have to monitor, and it might have scared some people away. It's possible, but it doesn't sound like it was a major procedure. So I think that he passed past the physical that the league provided, and also my understanding as he passed the physical that the Bengals doctors took a look at

him all right. When we looked ahead prior to day two of the draft, we said, ideally the Bengals would take an offensive lineman in round two and a pass rusher an edge rusher in round three. That's exactly the way it played out. With a fifth pick in the third round, number sixty nine overall, they selected Joseph Osai

of Nigerian descent, an edge rusher from Texas. An athletic freak, he is sixty three, two hundred and fifty six pounds, ran a four six two forty broad jumped nearly eleven feet at two hundred and fifty six pounds, known for having a maniacal motor, and this is a good value pick. He was number forty two on the Athletics consensus board. Dane Brugler had him at number forty. Even the Bengals get him at number sixty nine. Yeah, I think they

got excellent value there. He's explosive, he's got length, he's got position versatility. You know, with that athleticism, he can drop into space, he can do things at the linebacker position. But I think what the Bengals want to do is bring pressure off that edge. To me, what they've lost in Carl Lawson with that first step quickness and that explosion they got with this guy. I think this is

a tremendous replacement for Carl Lawson. Of what I can gather from looking at the numbers, I think he might have had the fastest ten yards split of any edge rusher. So this guy now has an unbelievable first step, he has that short space quickness. The one thing about him, though, is is you know when you when I watch him, it's like I think that he needs to be coached a little bit on his overall pass rush game plan. You know, I don't think I don't think he's got

multiple moves. I think he just tries to beat people with the with that sheer physical you know, ability and talent. And I think he's got an upside that once he starts to learn some counter moves. And you know, as as explosive and twitchy as he is, his hips look a little stiff, you know. And and his ability to redirect is uh is not you know, like crazy crazy, but he's he's a he's a heck of a player. And the thing about him is, like you talked about,

he finishes. He finished his plays because he's, you know, a high character guy with a high motor. And you put those two things together, he refuses to lose, you know, and and he's gonna he jumps off the tape when you watch him. Um, and he's he's an effort guy in every sense of the word. You know, we we uh, we marvel at uh Sam Hubbard. You know, he empties

that effort bucket every single snap. I think when you have these two guys on the edge, Osi and Hubbard, I mean you're gonna have guys that are just getting after coming up the football field and getting after people and relentless in their effort, doggedly determined to finish place. There's no doubt about it. Trey Hendrickson known for the same thing. So that gives you three defensive ends who are known for that type of effort, no question about it.

And uh, you know that's that's a that's a good little trio. And you have to figure that the three of them, they'll they'll be they'll be spitting splitting snaps. You know. It's like you have to look at uh, look at it. You have to have at least three edge guys in the national football There's no question about it. So this is a welcome edition. So Jamar Chase brings a lot of swagger, a lot of pizzazz, almost Chad Johnson with a little less look at me, but the

same confidence level. And now these two guys, based on our conversations with them after they were selected, are ear to ear grin kind of guys just you know, thrilled to be selected by Cincinnati, can't wait to get to work, just oozing with enthusiasm and charisma. Those are the kinds of guys you like to bring into the building. I agree with you, Dan, I think that that both of them have a have a pleasing swagger. You know. It's like I think they're they're they both know they're good

and and they're proud of it. But I don't think it's like to me, there's a there's a difference between cockiness and confidence, you know. And uh, I think they I think they realize that that they're gifted, and there's no doubt about it. But I think they keep it in enough perspective. And there's nothing wrong with feeling like you can get a job done, and you can get job done better than almost anybody. There's nothing wrong with that. Um My mother used to tell me, you know, you

don't don't think you can't do anything. You can do anything you want to do. You just don't have to tell everybody about it all the time. All right, Let's look ahead to Day three, the third and final day of the draft, and the Bengals are going to be busy.

They have seven picks on Day three, three in the fourth round, beginning with a sixth pick, just their own pick in the fifth round, number five in that round, two picks in the sixth round, their own and then the eighteenth pick, and then finally the seventh pick in the seventh round. With about twenty picks to go in the third, I had a big list of guys that were still available, and I'm thinking to myself, this is unbelievable. There's so many great players still on the board. And

then then the run began. So guards started going rapidly. Why had Davis, Kendrick Greene, Ben Cleveland, Robert Hainsey. Then there was a run on cornerbacks Elijah Molden, Ifiah two, Melon, Fon wu Ambree, Thomas, Brandon Stevens. So if you were looking for a guard or for a cornerback, sure there's still plenty left. But some of the guys that I really was excited about I just got scratched off the

list late in the third round. Yeah. And during the course of that third round, in the late Quinn Miners, uh, the kid from Wisconsin, Whitewater. I was intrigued by that kid. He went very late to buff the Buffalo Bills. No, Spencer Brown went to the Buffalo Bills. I can't remember who Miners went to, but he went to the Broncos. Yeah, the Broncos. That's what it was the Spencer Brown went to went to Buffalo. Um. Yeah, so it was it was unfortunate that some of these guys started, uh started

falling by the wayside. But I still think there's to me, there's some intrigue with a couple of local guys you're talking about, you know, uh, somebody that played at Fairfield High School that you that you you draft in the second round, Jackson Carmen. What would be wrong with just going down the road to you see and taking a

look at James Hudson. You know, maybe uh, maybe with one of those fourth round picks, or you know, go up, go up the road a little bit to miamb of Ohio in Oxford and Tommy Doyle uh and a tackle that uh that that is still on the board. Dante Smith from East Carolina is uh is still out there round from Alabama depending on what he had in Uh, he's probably a little depressed if he if he what he ate tonight, he might be three hundred and fifty

plus pounds tomorrow morning. But that's his problem. He's got to control that weight. But I wonder, you know, he's he's he's on the board that his his movements leaves a lot to be desired, There's no question about that, Dan. But yeah, there are some there's some interesting guys. There's a road breader from Grambling and this guy's like, you know, not fourth round, but he might be later if they

want to take another fly David Moore from Grambling. Yeah, and he's less than six two, but man, he is h he's a you know, and you know, on the edge. There's a still a couple of options out there. Weaver from Pittsburgh still out there, Cameron Sample from two Lane's still out there. So I think that they can still

go with the best available player on their board. But there's still pretty good players out there where they could still address the position and need you know, defensively the defensive tackle, defensive end, maybe cornerback, you know, offensively, if they could still address the offensive line, the interior or the offensive line or tackle. If one of these guys, you know, makes it, makes it to where they are in the fourth round that we talked about, I think

they still have some options. I mean there's cornerbacks out there. Sean Wade's out there from Ohio State, Tray Smith is out there, a guard from Tennessee, Chris Rump outside linebacker from Duke. He's got some value where we're talking about in the draft. There's there's still players out there. Dan. That's why I think it was such a good Dave and Dixon defensive tack from I was a pretty solid player.

I think picking up these extra picks that they got, they're gonna be able to, you know, just double down on some position groups and make the football team better overall. I don't see anything wrong with what they did. The Brown from Alabama that you mentioned is Deonte Brown. He was something like three hundred and sixty pounds I think at the Senior Bowl, and then he got down to

three forty four. According to Dane Brugler, he was like a second round, third round type grade, but again you wonder if he'll ever be able to control his weight at the NFL level. You mentioned Trey Smith, the guard from Tennessee. He's got a third round grade on the Dane Brugler board, but he's got blood plots in his lungs, which is probably a reason why he is still available. Stone forsythe is still out there, a tackle from Florida.

He had a third round grade. You mentioned James Hutter from you see, third round grade according to Dane Brogler. Tommy Doyle from Miami, fourth round grade. So that's appropriate for where the Bengals. So we'll have their three picks in the fourth round. I'll throw a couple of other names out there. Tommy Togi, big defensive lineman from Ohio State. He had a third fourth round type grade from Dane Brugler.

He's still out there. And then a guy that I mentioned several podcasts to go running back, Kenneth Gainwell from Memphis, still on the board in between a second and third round grade from Dane Brugler. I saw him a couple of years ago. You see, couldn't stop him either in the passing game or the running game. He opted out last year when he was expected to be the preseason

offensive player of the Year in the conference. So if they want to go running back with one of those fourth round picks and Kenneth Gainwell is still on the board, I think that'd be a great selection. Yeah, I mean, I think you might be like a four man's Travis Etn you know, I mean, it's the guy. The guy is the guy who can handle things in both phases running the football as well as catching the football and

helping the quarterback. Just a note that was interesting. Dan, Trevor Lawrence, and Travis Etan played obviously together at Clemson, and Etan is like, he's going to be not just a running back. I think they're gonna he's gonna be a hybrid type guy. I think he's gonna they'll use him as a receiver as much as they do a running back. But helped the quarterback with a guy that he had established chemistry with in his college days. Joe

Burrow and Jamar Chase. Same thing, Ta with Waddle, same thing Hurts when he was at Alabama with Smith the Heisman Trophy winner. Same thing. Four different instances of young quarterbacks being basically handed weapons that they had success with success with at the collegiate level to try to help give a little jump start to their development in the now Football League. I thought that was kind of a little interesting trend that went on during the course of

yesterday's action. At the end of the draft, the Bengals are always looking for guys that could potentially contribute on special teams right away. There are two UC Bearcats safeties, James Wiggins and Derek Forrest, that could be excellent special teams players. The Bengals are obviously set at safety, but at the bottom of the roster, those guys could help

in special teams. And then I will throw one more name out there as a late pick, because the Bengals always take at least one Ohio State guy, right and if they don't, if they don't take Tommy Togi, then how about Justin Hilliard, the former Saint Xavier High school player captain for the Buckeyes linebacker. I could see him as a sixth or seventh round pick. Yeah, that's a there's a good call right there. That's nothing wrong with

Darren Simmons. And I think with all the picks that they've got yes coming up tomorrow, he'll have a definite say on special teams, will have an impact on where they're drafted, and if they're drafted by the Cincinnati Bengals, particularly down the stretch drive there seven seven picks left. That's that's pretty interesting. A very busy Saturday. It's sure he is, there's no doubt about that. I was just looking at how offensive line play. You know, people are like,

oh geez, you got a draft guys high. You know you can't pass on a guy in the first round. You can't pass on this guy. You can't pass on that guy. You can't move back and take guys in later rounds. Let's let's just think about the nineteen eighty eight Super Bowl offensive line Anthony Winos. Of course, very high draft pick warranted Hall of Famer eleven consecutive Pro Bowls.

But other than that hit. The left guard Bruce Rhymers, eighth rounder, two hundred and fourth pick of the draft, was developed by Jim McNally, the legendary offensive line coach went on to have a ten year career. Center was Bruce Kazerski, ninth round, two hundred and thirty, first pick of his draft out of Holy Cross, went on to enjoy a twelve year career. Right Guard Max Montoya seventh rounder out of UCLA, one hundred and sixty eighth pick

of the draft, sixteen year NFL career. Joe Walter seventh round pick out of Texas Tech, one hundred and eighty first pick in the draft, twelve year NFL career. Come on, man, what's wrong with developing, you know, drafting a lot of these guys. The Rhymers Kazerski would not have been drafted. Montoya and Joe Walter would have been drafted in the

last round in the seventh round. Jim McNally did a hell of a job of not only drafting and targeting, you know, some traits, but then developing them so you don't have to have first round draft picks across the board of your offensive Line's just take a look at nineteen eighty eight and reflect back on. Got some guys and they filled some some positions that offensive line very very well, to say the least. That is some good stuff. And I think we will end it on that note.

I will have my celebratory beer as I put this together for the second night in a row, and you can catch some sleep. I'm into that already, Dad. I think I think I was half asleep as we did. That sounded that way, I truly apologize. Sounded great as always. Talk to you tomorrow. Thanks, all right, have a great one. Don't wrap up the draft with another edition of this podcast on Saturday. That's going to do it for this episode of the Bengals Booth Podcast, brought to you by

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