Bengals Booth Podcast: Two Steps Back

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That's when Joe Burrow made a rare terrible throw. Joe extends the hands, fakes a hand off to p Ryan throws intercepted sprinting up the near sideline and heading toward the middle of the field. Now with the football, it is Denzel Ward taking at the distance for a Cleveland touchdown. Wow. The Bengals not only failed to score inside the red zone, Joe Burrow's former Ohio State teammate, Denzel Ward, stepped in front of Jamar Chase at the one yard line and

took it back ninety nine yards for a touchdown. Burrow didn't have much to say about wards pick six. You had a good play. I left it inside a little bit, and if you do that to Denzel, he's gonna make it pay. If if I play better, we're in that game. We a chance to win that game. Instant play, Well, that's all there is to it. Burrow had his good moments too. In fact, after the pick six, he drove the Bengals seventy five yards on nine plays to tie the game. Toss sweep to the left, mix it looking

for a running lane. Great Books get to the sidelines, touchdown Bengals as Mixon takes it eleven yards into the end zone for the Bengal score. That made it seven seven, And at that point, the Bengals had run twenty plays for one hundred forty one yards before Baker Mayfield had even touched the ball. But when the Browns finally took the field out offense, the Bengals couldn't stop them. Mayfield hands it off to Chubb, trying to knife his way in.

No signal yet. The officials charge up the sideline and now on the far side of the field, there's a touchdown. Signal. Nick Chubb's two yard run gave Cleveland a fourteen seven lead, and that lead grew The next time Cleveland got the ball, Baker Mayfield under center Nick chubbs seven yards behind. Chubb stands straight up and down, no hands on knees. May Field fakes to him. Baker flings it deep down FA

He's got a receiver wide open. Taught at the fifteen and streaking into the end zone is Donovan People's Jones for a sixty yard touchdown b d Apple and beat him badly. The Browns got rid of O b J on Friday, but DPJ Donovan People's Jones gave Cleveland a twenty one seven lead. Both meetings between these two teams last year were shootouts, but this time the Bengals kept shooting themselves in the foot burrow against a four man rush.

Quick throw caught by Chap Paul's knocked out. Cleveland scoops it up, running it back to the thirty and take it out of bounds at the thirty yard line. John Johnson knocked it out of there. Dan john Johnson put his hat in his shoulder patch right on the football. That's just a deadly tackle, right there. You gotta protect the ball that led to a field goal to give

the Browns at twenty four to seven lead. And if you go back to last week's game in New York and toss out the Jets final drive when they ran out the clock, it marked the eighth straight drive where the opponents scored on Bengals defense. A Nevin McPherson field goal at the end of the half made it twenty four to ten Cleveland. Here's Joe Mixon. We just gotta come out faster, man, come out faster, Gotta play with

more intensity, just gotta play Bengals football. And you know, these last two games, we ain't been able to do that. It's a lot of frustration, but at the same time, we gotta keep everybody together. You gotta keep learning, keep building, and uh we gotta prepare better, you know, as players take it upon ourselves and just gotta do better. The Bengals defense finally forced a punt on the Brown's first drive of the third quarter, but the offense wasn't able

to capitalize. Burrow fakes a handball, He's in trouble. Miles Garrett blew right around Jonah Williams and sacks Joe Burrow back at the twenty four yard line. Oh Mirles Garrett was setting setting it up, and Miles Garrett was, He's laying in the weeds and then all of a sudden, you can block him for twenty twenty five plays and then all of a sudden he comes off the edge art on one play. He's got a myriad of moves, There's no question about it. He's got explosiveness, he's got

a burst, He's got great hands. Here's one hell of a football player. Garrett had one and a half sacks to increase his league leading total to twelve. The Browns had five sacks overall and hit Joe Burrow twelve times. Here again is mixing me as a running back. You know, I hate to see Burrow get hit in the limas I hit it too, you know, also as well as the tight ends. But we gotta take it up on ourselves, you know, and you know, keep Burrow clean. We gotta

keep him untouched. At that point, the Bengals were still within fourteen points. They knew the Browns would try to run the ball, but knowing it and stopping it are two very different things. Mayfield under center chub lines up seven yards behind tight end. Hooper motions from right to left. Mayfield has the ball, hands it off to Chubb, gets away from an ankle tackle and look at him go see off to the races down the middle of the field of the twenty the ten touchdown, seventy yards Nick

Chubb to the house. Wow, I'm telling you, Nick Chubb can run you over and run away from you. This guy has got power and he's got speed. Chubb finished with one hundred thirty seven yards and only fourteen carries in six career games against the Bengals. He's topped one hundred yards in four of them. Here's Zach Taylor. We've got to be better there when you're facing the team. Listen, number one rushing team in the NFL. That's kind of been their bread and butter, you know. And Chubb's a

fantastic running back. They've got a really good offensive line and a good tight end group that blocks for him. We knew we had our work cut out for us, because that's what they've shown each each game that they've played really over the last two years. So one of the things you gotta do is is you gotta be where you're supposed to be and you gotta be able to put the back on the ground and we get the opportunities. I did see a couple of times when

we had some opportunities, we missed those tackles. Another Borough interception led to a field goal that made it thirty four ten going to the fourth quarter. Joe Mixon scored on a two yard run to make it thirty four to sixteen, and Joe finished with one hundred ten combined

rushing and receiving yards, but that didn't mean much. An eighteen yard touchdown pass from Baker Mayfield to David Najoku made the final score forty one sixteen, almost identical to the bengals forty one to seventeen win in Baltimore two weeks ago. Here are Sam Hubbard and c j Uzama. I think it just got out of hand, you know, turnovers, got to take care of the ball, big plays, mistakes, you know, just it's the NFL. It's a tough division. You know. You see what happens when you let things

get out of hand. We're kind of on the other side of it. Early in the season. Happened to us, so we got to take it and learn from it. We're pissed. Obviously, we just lost in a bad way in front of our home crowd. But there's the stress level, in the panic level, there's there's none, all right. We know we have we know what we can still achieve, and we just have to go out there and do it. Two weeks ago, the Bengals were the number one playoff

seed in the AFC. Now they're a game and a half behind the first place Ravens in the AFC North and could fall a half game behind the Steelers if Pittsburgh beats the Bears at Hinz Field on Monday night. It's obviously not what they were hoping for going into their bye week, but they are five and four and five of their last eight are at home. Here are Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor. Still got everything in front of us. There's no panicking. We've lost two in a row,

so what now. We've got eight games left and still a chance to win the division and make the playoffs. So that's our folks going forward. I think that people were going to try to paint a picture of overreaction when you lose two games in a row. We're not. You know, we're going to correct those things. That we need to correct and use this bye week to get our bodies back and make sure we're healthy going in the back half of the season. But this isn't unusual for teams to lose two games in a row in

this league. You know, it feels awful, trust me to sit here after two consecutive losses, But I think it's important that we're consistent with our approach throughout. We know we've done some good things over this first nine games the season, and so we'll make those corrections that we need to make so that we're focused and can come out strong after the buy. The first game after the buy is on the road in Las Vegas. The Raiders are five and three after losing to the Giants on Sunday.

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postgame analysis with Dave Lapham. All Right, lap, I guess my first question after forty one to sixteen loss would be, what's happened to the Bengals defense so good through seven games and really struggling over the last two. Yeah, that that's a tough one to tough one to figure out because I don't know, I don't if they cracked the code. I wonder what the code was. You know, it's like man, and it looked like, you know, teams did it a

little bit differently. It looked like the Jets just attacked, you know, the perimeter in the in the short areas of the football field by throwing the football. I mean the Cleveland Browns did what they do, They ran it, and uh, you know, Baker Mayfield just played off of that and only threw it twenty one times. You completed fourteen of them. For tune in eighteen yards when I mean Chubb almost has ten yards of rush, fourteen carries,

one hundred and thirty seven yards, two touchdowns. Seventy yard touchdown run will do that for you, There's no doubt about it. I Mean, like we said, Dan, the seventy yard touchdown run, people's jones sixty yard touchdown catch. They had four other plays, five other plays of over twenty one yards, and you know they only ran for the for the entire football game. The only we're in forty six plays had two hundred sixty one three hundred and sixty one yards on forty six snaps. It it was

a dismantling There's there's no doubt about it. But I don't know, I don't know what it is that the teams have figured out here. But you mentioned a couple times during the course of the game where eight straight drives between the Jets and the and the Cleveland Browns that they they score I mean eight straight before a punt stopped that streak or was it ten drives before

a punt stopped the streak? Well, the overall stat is in a ten drive span, not including the end of the Jets game where they just ran out of the clock. In a ten drive span between the two games, the Bengals defense forced one punt, gave up nine scores. Wow, that's um. That's problematic to say the least, and it changes the whole complexion of the buye. I mean, they've got a going to take apart what they've done and put it back together again. They have to have to

figure out they got some work ahead of them. Um, going into the bye with two straight losses and one of them a division loss by by quite a margin. That that that's that's concerning to say the least. We set it on the pregame show going into the game

with a buy ahead. You're either six and three with a three and oz record in the division where you can kick back, relax, go on vacation, whatever you want to do during the bye, or you're five and four, you've lost two straight games where you were favored to win, and you might have a hard time sleeping for the

next week. Yeah, I mean there's there's a I think I think a lot of sports psychologists are going to make money during the bye week as as players and coaches visit these uh these guys it Um, you know. I think what you have to do, though, is maybe go back and really break tape down during the successful run, and break tape down during the run where they've had some struggles, and really put a fine tooth comb to what people are doing differently and what you might need

to do. Sometimes the adjustments aren't as as apparent and as easy as as uh as you might think. I guess, and they need to need to just look over, you know, over all of it and evaluate it and be really truthful and honest and and maybe make some decisions on how they divide playing time amongst some players. They may determine that you know what, this hasn't been just for

a series. This has been for two games in a row now that I haven't gotten the production and I need at this position or that position, or you can't make wholesale personnel changes. Um, and you don't want to do anything. Um you know, a knee jerk reaction type thing. But man, you I think you just have to study it from A to Z and uh and make as many adjustments and changes and make as many tough decisions as you possibly need to make. I love Joe Burrow.

You love Joe Burrow. The fan base loves Joe Burrow. There's no quarterback I would rather have going forward than Joe Burrow. And he's not perfect. Nobody is. But that first interception, you can't make that throw. It's third down and goal from the three. I don't know what he saw because Denzel Ward was right there. I don't know how he didn't see him unless you know, you look at the angle with a pass rush that you don't

know if he was blocked out. I mean, the only thing I can figure is that he just didn't see him the way it was apparent that he should have been seen. Because yeah, that that one, it's not like he even had to really break on it. He just kind of just had to catch it and run. So that that one was a was a backbreaker for sure.

And that's a fourteen point swing, you know, it's it's but the fact is you come right back and you score a touchdown, go right down the field again and score a touchdown, and you know you run twenty snaps and puts seven points on the board. Fourteen really seven for them and seven for you. Before they even take the field offensively. Boy, once they once the Cleveland brownse took the field offensively, though, they couldn't wait to show

you what they had. You know, they had a good game plan and they were anxious to let it unfold. Tough day for Jamar Chase. Costly fumble a couple of deep balls, poluting one in the end zone that should have been caught. Another deep ball that could have been caught It would have been a great catch if he had held on. But unfortunately, as brilliant as he's been to this point of his rookie year, this was not

a great day for him. Yeah, he's been streaky, you know, you look at he had a bad streak at training camp. Then he put together a good streak of a few games. But he dropped a touchdown pass against the Jets as well, right in the end zone him right in the chest. He let it get in his shoulder pads and bounced off his chest. He dropped, you know, a couple of balls today and you know, other another throw that would

have been a great catch, there's no question. But in this league, when you get two hands on the football, you know, most receivers are going to say, actually catch that football. So, yeah, he's he's in a streak that's that's not very good. Again, maybe the bye week is coming at a very opportune time for him. Maybe it's coming at an opportune time for a few guys. That The one thing though, Dan is they've been remarkably healthy, you know, and uh and the bye week they should

even get more healthy. So when they come back after the bye week, it's not like they're waiting for guys to rehab and key components to come back to the to the football team. And I guess you can look at it two ways. You can look at it and say, oh, they're healthy, and they still have had a tough two game stretch. You know, if if, if, if injuries could explain it, that'd be an easy in explanation. But that's not the case. But they they have time to lick

their wounds. They're not physical, they're mental. And uh, you know, I'll guarantee you the coaches are going to be burning some midnight oil here in the early stages of the bye week. I mean, they're gonna take some time with their families. They deserve it. Um Zach said you on the postgame show that players are given him everything they have and he has no issues, no questions, no problems with that the effort that they've given. And I agree. When I look at the tape, I don't see guys

not playing hard. I see guys not executing proper technique. I see guys, you know, making mental errors. I see mistakes. I see guys not playing smart enough. But I don't it's not a case of guys you know, just putting it in cruise control and not playing hard. They are playing hard. We know the Browns are a talented team. They played today like the team they're supposed to be. Unfortunately the Bengals did not get them on a bad day. Let's talk about a cheam Identagy. I know he spoke

to him after the game. What did you make of the fact that he started in place of Jackson Carman at right guard? And how do you think he did? I thought he acquitted himself pretty darn well. Now he's his own toughest critic. So he said, there are you know, there are a few plays, and there always are. You know, in a seventy play sequence of a football game, you're not gonna have seventy perfect plays. But I bet you he had sixty five that are probably, you know, more

than passable. And I think what it boiled down to was they were excited about him before he get hurt, and then when he came back, his feet are so good and his balance is so good, and he has he has really athletic system and strength. So you think, man, I gotta I gotta use this guy somewhere. And he hadn't played right guard he's in a long time, and they threw him in there. I thought, maybe, you know, the two weeks of practice that he came back, Frank

Pollock's like, I gotta play this guy. I mean, he must have just made the decision. This guys shown me too much physically. I got to see what he can do in a game, because he leap frog everybody. You know, he leap frog carm and he leap frog Hill. You know, I'm gonna put him a right guard. And I thought he might rotate maybe you know, not every series rotate,

but maybe get a blow here and there. He played twenty quick plays and played seventy plays, uh, you know, in a football game where he had not played a physical battle like that in quite a while. So that that's a pretty good tribute to him. And um, you know, it shows the kind of confidence that his teammates and

his line coach and everybody has in him. And he couldn't have been more effusive in his praise of you know, the veteran guys around him, the Riley Reeese and you know Trey Hawkins, you know, helping him, and and that that that is I mean, it was the same way for Jackson Carmen and Trey Hill, anybody in there. So having having those bookend veteran guys is so helpful there.

The loss to Cleveland makes the loss to the Jets hurt that much more up by eleven midway through the fourth quarter, if they just hold on and win that game, Yeah, a twenty five point loss at home to the Browns would have stung, but at least big picture, he still would have felt great. Now that Jets game, you really kick yourself for letting that one get away. Yeah, it's like, all right, up eleven, seven minutes to go up five, you know, three minutes and forty seconds or whatever, and

you can't finish. UM. So now you combine not being able to finish against the team that you should have beaten, UM, and you follow it up with a division loss. The magnitude of this one, it's a it's a double whammy. It's a second kick in the butt. So you don't have much time to recover from the first one. You

take that second one. So you know, maybe I know it, I know it's uh, it's tough to go into a bye with this type of down feeling, but maybe they maybe they need to, Like I said, maybe they need to just um rip, take some things out of what they're doing and add some some additional things and work on it during the bye week. And you have two weeks to for the next opponent, um and you just you know, get ready and fine tune yourself for the

second half of the season. You really don't have any choice, you know, I don't think you continue along the same lines that you've played the last couple of games. It hasn't worked. So it does give you time to go back to the football lab and take out some other you know, primary elements and raw materials and formulate something and put it together for the second half of the season. Then the players can rest and uh, you know, rest their minds and bodies and get ready to give maximum

effort the second half of the season. No game next Sunday, a trip to Vegas the following Sunday. Are you Dave Lapham a Vegas guy? I've been there. I've been there a couple of times. I'll play some blackjack, I've done that. I'm really looking forward to seeing Allegian though. I mean that edifice looks like it's mind boggling just to see some of these these stadiums are just I mean, they're just unbelievable pieces of architecture what they're doing now with

these stadiums, and I'm looking forward to seeing that. But yeah, I mean Vegas is you see, you see all kinds of things in Vegas. There's no doubt. Sometimes you want to forget some of the things you've seen in Vegas or heard in Vegas or whatever. But yeah, I've been there on a couple of occasions, and you know, sometimes myself and some of the people I've been with have done well and sometimes not too well at all. I'm in the not well at all category when it comes

to my track record in Vegas. All Right, disappointing day five and four, take the break, Move on five and four. Still have a got your head above water in terms of above five hundred and eight games to finish it out and finish strong. If you go two and one in the division the second half of the season, worst case scenario like you did in the first half of the season four and two, depending on how you handle your other business, could put you in in pretty good shape.

You know, you're looking at you're looking at being able to hang in there and all you want to do is get in the tournament. You know you want to get in the postseason tournament. That's what it's all about. And then you never know because I mean, Jacksonville beats Buffalo nine to six. Come on, I mean the National Football League is just when you think you know you have no clue, you have no clue. More on the

game and the season to date. Join Lap and Lance McAlister for Bengals Line Monday night from six to nine seven. Add WLW. Now time for this week's fun Facts segment, where you get to know the person under the pads. Time for some fun facts with rookie Jackson Carmen, born and raised in the Cincinnati area, now a rookie on the offensive line. Let's start with your musical ability. What instruments do you play and how did you learn to

play them? I played a lot of different instruments, my best instruments being guitar, drums, piano, banjo, ukulele, basically any percussive instrument. And I feel like if there's an instrument I don't know, I can teach myself how to play it. So if you want to press somebody by playing a song on piano or guitar, whatever it might be. What's your go to? Really? Uh? I love to improvise its

like freestyle, make stuff on my own. But I listened to just about every genre of music, so I can pull from just about any type of music people who don't listen to so it's really up to the person listening. I know your mom is a talented singer. Was that talent passed down? It was? Do you want to give us an example? Not right now, but I do. I will have later some music being released, not anytime soon during the season, but it was coming sentence. Let I'll

let that. I'll let it get worked on first. Why you know what I'm saying. I wanted to be a final product, fair enough, something for us to look forward to. We're doing fun facts with Jackson Carmen. You're a big man. Were you always the biggest kid in the neighborhood? Yes? Always. I was born like nine plus pounds. It's been big my whole entire life. Was allowed to run the football and peewee, so I had to take the ball from the running backs while I was played d line. But yeah,

I've been in big my whole life. In youth sports, did the parents of the opposing team want to see your person against every game. As a matter of fact, that even when I first started playing football, I was playing up as a third grader with the fifth and sixth graders, and even their parents are asking for birth certificates. It's a compliment, no way, it is. Most definitely we're doing fun facts at Jackson Carmen. You started Fairfield High School.

You're one of the top twenty recruits in the country. Did you enjoy the attention or was it a little bit overwhelming? I could definitely say a bit of both, especially like this being so young. But the most important thing was like the whole experience was just like a learning lesson for me, just like just growing in mature as young man and being able to just like see

more of the world. And really, I feel like once football started to pick up for me, so they like kind of my curiosity just like to see the world more and get out and experience things. So definitely football provided that opportunity for me. He chose Clemson, hard to argue with the decision. Played in a couple of national championship games, won a championship as a freshman. What are your most vivid memories of that first perfect season honestly,

just like how unrealistic it felt. And I remember thinking that, like while I was on the team, like, man, we're blowing everybody out by like forty and fifty all the way up until the Natty, you know what I mean. So, like I just really was enjoying and just trying to learn as much as possible there year. So when you win a national championship in college football, you get to go to the White House. What was that experience? Like?

The experience was very eye open as well, and I got to learn a lot, to see a lot of cool things. And it was funny too, because I remember we were sorry McDonald's and someone made a tweet and I went viral. But it was all It was all good and it was a good experience for me. I remember that now as a government shutdown, some President Trump paid for McDonald's and Burger Gang and pizza. Not exactly the feast you expect when you go to an event at the White House, right, I was just happy to

be there. I don't blame you, we'd all I love that opportunity. So last year, in your third and final year at Clemson, you played the last five games with a back injury and had surgery after the season for herniated disk. How bad was the pain? Pain was really bad. The pain affected me just like in my day to day life, like I was walking with a limp. It hurt to go to sleep, It heart sitting meetings, like

I couldn't even sit straight up in meetings. I had to like stand up every like a couple of minutes. It's hard to drive, and even just mentally, you know what I mean, Like just knowing that there's like something you're doing when you don't know what's wrong with it. It's kind of tough, but definitely feel like that pain, you know what I'm saying, grew me mentally and definitely a more concept of all those things now and I

feel much more prepared head into the future. So last year a lot of top NFL prospects opted out due to COVID nineteen You kept playing with a herniated disc? Why for me? I really just loved my teammates and I loved the game of self of football, and I realized the opportunity that I had in front of me, and at the time I didn't know it was a herniated disc. But still like was playing through it regardless, and it's just kind of just like, that's kind of

the player I've always been. I've always just been like tough and nasty, you know what I mean. And not saying that I would advise anybody to do that, but I feel like I definitely showed my street character through those moments. I'm sure teammates and coaches appreciated it. We're doing fun facts with Jackson Carmen. I'm a sucker for good draft night footage, and yours was awesome, especially the long embrace with your mom after the pick was announced.

Described that night, Man, that night was really just very emotional, and I was just super grateful for everything happening, and just like being able to take that individual moment in and just like sit on in chaffit and not worry about anything else, just be able to just like taking being surrounded by family and friends and you know what I'm saying, everything just being positive. I mean throughout thought the entirety of the night, it was just great. So

that's definitely night I'll never forget. You genuinely seem thrilled to be staying with your hometown team. Is that the case? Most definitely and just like one is the place I was born in and so that's always an awesome opportunity to be be able to represent the place that you're from. And also just know I was gonna be like around my family and friends, and also I just have a lot more opportunity outside the football being in Cincinnati, and just like excited about our team and about who we

got here. Like I knew team was here, I knew DJ was coming, I knew, uh, you know what I'm saying. Joe obviously whooked us in the championship, So it's uh, I knew what we had, Like I knew what we had building, and I was really excited about it. You are looking to follow on the footsteps of two at the greatest offensive lineman and team history, and you had relationships with Anthony Munios and Willie Anderson before being drafted by Cincinnati. What do you admire and respect about those

two guys? Those two guys are just like I think the thing I admire inspect the most about him. It's kind of like how I try to carry myself is that even though they're both probably some of the greatest wild players that ever played the game, they will still talk to you, just like I'm talking to you right now, just like you're talking to me, just like as a man and man. And they're just so humble and insightful

and wise and always have something good to say. And it's encouraged and knowing that, like even though they're so great and they're so like awesome, like they're still just like you and me, you know what I mean. So that gives you like a belief in yourself that you're able to do good things as well. So definitely have a lot of left about those guys. Apparently, several hours before the Bengals chose you, they reached out to Willie Anderson just for one final conversation, is this the guy

we should take? And clearly he gave you his stamp of approval? What did that mean? Man? That means the world, honestly, And just like for a guy like will It even like say something about me in that regard is already honored within itself, and so like, I'm definitely glad everything worked out the way it did, and I'm very appreciative of the role that Willie's played in my life. All Right, a few wild card topics for Jackson Carmen aside from music,

Do you have any other hidden talents? Yes, I feel like I feel like my number one talent is just like learning, And I really don't feel like I'm like multiple talents. I just feel like that time allows me to be able to do like anything I can put my mind too, and so like I love to cook, I love to like travel and do like acts stuff outside like surfing, waight surfing, jet skiing and snowboarding and stuff like that. I love to I mean, I honestly

I feel like I can do anything. So and that's not from like a cocky place, but that's just from I don't like to limit myself, like on my mind, like people say I can't do this, so I couldn't pick myself. I couldn't picture myself doing that. I'll just go and try it, you know what I mean, and be able to learn it as I go. I've seen footage on the Internet of your water skiing world's most talented big Man and water scared. You know, it's so

crazy because everyone makes jokes about that. But at the same time, like sports like that definitely translate the football directly, and just like being on the water so much on a board you just find a different level of balance and different levels just like kind of body awareness, you

know what I mean, And those things definitely translate. So that's why I always encourage kids or just people to be able to just like go out and try things and just like just learn have new experiences because it's not gonna do anything for you but help you after being a second round draft picking of a little bit of spending money to work with. Is there anything you'd like to splurge on. I'm not really like a huge splurger, but I do. I do love good food, like high

quality food or made food. I definitely consider myself a food critic, and so like I've been to I've been like just going around all the steakhouses in Cincinnati kind of making a little personal review book for him when my release later. Gotta get a Carmen. I'm the Jeff Ruby menu, but most definitely do mostly what would be on the Carmen. That's that's another thing we gotta wait

till that comes out to see. Fair enough, if you could meet anybody in history, athlete, entertainer, statesman, whoever it might be, who would that person be? Leonardo da Vinci probably him a renaissance man, just like you. Multi talented. Yeah, he's just a genius and he's super like this didn't stop himself from doing anything, you know what I mean, and influence the world. Excellent answer. I appreciate your time. Congratulations on a great start. Best of luck the rest

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