Bengals Booth Podcast: No Surrender

a three year free agent contract. Speaking of linebackers, we'll hear from Raiders coach John Gruden, who provides a passionate defense a former Bengal Vontes Berficht who was suspended for the final twelve games of the season back in September for a helmet to helmet hit on Colts tight end Jack Doyle. My locker room conversation this week is with kick returner Brandon Wilson, who admits he has started thinking about the possibility of going to the Pro Bowl thanks

to his league leading kickoff return average. And in this week's Know the Faux segment, we'll get the lowdown on the Raiders from their radio analyst former three time Pro Bowl offensive lineman Lincoln Kennedy. All of that is straight ahead. But first, here's a quick reminder that you can have the latest edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since the TV

screen at the gas pump. So there I am at ud F the other day, filling up my tank on a frigid morning, when a news and weather update starts playing on the TV screen right there on the pump, along with several ads for the delicious coffee and doughnuts if I walk inside. I didn't this time, but the simple fact that somebody figured out how to get a local TV news update into a gas pump deserves some recognition. Now, let's get to the latest Bengals news with my broadcast

partner Dave Lapham. Zach Taylor has not been publicly critical of the players this year, but I thought that changed a bit on Monday when he called out the linebackers and his opening statement at a weekly news conference. The next day, the Bengals waived Preston Brown in the first year of a three year deal. What's your reaction. Yeah,

it's interesting. I mean what Zach was calling for someone to emerge as a leader, you know, at that position group, and then the very next day they wave a guy who probably had as much NFL experience at linebacker as anybody they had, you know, on the football team. So, I mean, you can guess and surmise anything I guess you want to out of that. Bottom line is I think Zach Taylor's just trying to get a better performance

out of that position group. That position group has struggled, There's no question about it, and it's been isolated and picked on and attacked. So I think he's using every measure he can think of as a motivational tool to try to get better performance and and shaking it up by waving a guy like Preston Brown sends a message, you know, And obviously with what he said at his press conference yesterday and what took place today this morning, that's that's a big statement, a big statement at that

position group. For sure. The Bengals historically have not liked to eat contracts, no, so you wonder, um, you know, what was Preston Brown's reaction about maybe his playing time being curtailed. Um, maybe Zack's comment the press conference. Maybe Zac's comment came after some kind of comment from Preston Brown. Who knows. I mean, I guess again you can speculate in s fromis all you want Bytom Line is Bengals

let Preston Brown go for a decade or so? The Bengals have always had a big thumper at linebacker, Ray Mala Luga, Vontez perfect Preston Brown. Do they need to reconsider what they look for at that position? You know, everything's cyclical and um. You know, now so many teams are spreading you out. Um. But then you have a team like the Baltimore Ravens that played the type of offense they play, so you feel like you, you know, you should have somebody that can can stop the stop

the run. U there's always going to be an outlier like the Baltimore Ravens. They're gonna go. Um contrarian thinking in terms of being ahead of the game before the offense starts to cycle back a little bit. I mean, last year the Patriots decided to go two tight ends and a fullback and hammer people m you know, on their way to another Super Bowl. Win. So, yeah, the one thing that you can't you can't all into the trap of those is is just have a thumper that

you know can only play in a closet. You know, he still has to be able to do uh some other things for you because that that that guy's going to get isolated and picked on. There's no question about it. In today's NFL. So, um, the game is getting faster. It has gotten faster, so you do have to take that into consideration. I mean, the linebackers aren't as big as they used to be, in there a lot faster than they used to be, So I think, you know, that's the that's the way you have to approach it.

That's what you have to look for. That's what everybody's looking for. And there's not enough of them, just like they're on enough offensive lineman for the NFL, because there's five of them with every football team three linebackers. You know, it's that's a significant number at a position. Um, so

there's the NFL's eating up a lot of numbers. Well, you know it's it's for a while it was almost like they've decided, let's just beef up safeties and try to you know, play them at linebacker, and you know that that's had some mixed results, so you're always looking for, you know, a linebacker that can can play the run but still is not limited so much athletically that you can't leave him on the football field after first down. Ryan Finlay will make his second start this week, evaluate

his first. Some tragedy obviously, and you can't have it any worse than a than a pick six. When you're going into score. You know you're in the red zone and you throw a pick six. That's tough. That's a very very tough dynamic. You know, you feel terrible about it, You feel terrible about letting your whole team down and all that goes along with it. And then compounded by you know, spitting the spitting the bid a little bit

with a fumble in the in the pocket. You know, ball security when you're a quarterback is going to be big. So he had two touchdowns in two ways that you can turn the football over, and they both happened in the same game. So he's not going to face any more tragedy. He faced and he seemed to rebound from it, which was a good sign. I was asking guys in the locker room after the game. Did you see any deer in the headlights? Did you see anything like, oh, this is starting to look a little bit too big

for him? And they were like new, nothing like that, just the opposite. You know, he's a very competitive guy, and it seemed to like, you know, even narrow his focus even more. And on the good side of it, as we expected, don Wick Martindale brought everything. He brought the house. So the exposure that Ryan Finlay had to everything possibly that you can see in his very first start, a lot of people were like more, you know, you'd

wish for a softer landing than that. But the other side of it is he's had exposure to a bunch and he got through it, and he handled it and he's going to learn from it. And I think Zach Taylor's got running the money with this thought of, you know, don't make the same mistake twice. But a lot of guys were saying, man, he had a big burden responsibility of checking out of plays runs that weren't going to

work against a lot of Martindale's looks protections. He had to change places, he had to change to in the passing game, he had a lot on his plate, and he handled all that with flying colors. You know, the pick six was just an execution thing. He just left the ball inside. And you know, if you're they're running eleven men up at the line of scrimmage, zero coverage, you got to make sure if that ball is not caught by your receiver, nobody else is getting it. It's

got to go out of bounds. And he left an inside and he paid for it. So lesson learned. You know, it's not the end, it's just the NFL. It's not college football. You might have been able to get away with that throw in college, but not at this level. Um, they're faster and his arms not a howitzer. You know, he has to he has to. I thought he waited a little too long to throw it. He has He

does throw with the anticipation. Actually he's accuracy. He's shown that and I think he's going to grow with that. But overall, from the mental part of it, the preparation for that week against Wink Martindale is intense as he's going to have and he passed the test. So was it something that you say, oh my gosh, what a great beginning. No, But there are a lot of a lot of bricks to you know, start to lay a foundation.

Paul Gunt, to let's face it, he and Mike Zimmer they basically took the double A gap, putting the linebackers up on either side of the center and either bringing one of them or both of them, or none of them and dropping them to coverage. And you can run probably sixty percent of your coverages out of that double A gap looks still so it presents a lot of

problems for quarterbacks. Joe Flacco never figured it out, and I'm sure Ryan Finley will be closing his eyes in Oakland pre game night before the game with double A gap dancing through his head and ways to ways to handle it because they're going to be bringing a lot of it, I'm sure. So you know, it's going to be interesting how he goes from week one to week two. And the best thing that can happen is they continue to run the ball effectively. With Joe Mixon, that'll be

Ryan Finley's best friend. And that's our next topic. Two games ago in London, the Bengals ran for one hundred and four yards against the Rams. Last week against Baltimore, the team ran for one fifty seven. That's forty nine more than their next best game this year, and Joe Mixon ran for one fourteen. The Bengals are the only team all year to run it well against the Ravens when Brandon Williams has been on the field. Previous teams that succeeded in the ground game face the Ravens when

he was out. What was different last week? What allowed the Bengals to run it that well? Yeah? I think they made a nice adjustment during the bye week with the blocking scheme. They ran more you know what people call gap where you'll you'll block down seal somebody and pull people, you know, instead of inside outside zone. Is like two guys going laterally and double teaming a down lineman somebody coming off to the linebacker level. It's just

kind of like a horizontal push. You know, you're you're trying to capture the line of scrimmage and push that up the football field and then somebody have a cut off block or even take them off their feet and have a lane, a cutback lane, um that can be utilized. That hadn't that wasn't working as well as you know, the Bengals obviously hoped it was going to work. So they went to the more of the uh, the gap

power type game, blocking down and pulling people. And they made an adjustment double team and the three technique on the outside shoulder of the guard, with the guard and the tackle in the center pulling around for the linebacker instead of you know, the center and guard, uh you know, double teaming and one of them rubbing off the linebacker. They're being very more, much more definitive and trying to move people and and and get get somebody up the

football field. So Joe Mixon read it out well, I thought, and made some very very good cuts and ran hard. He ran very hard the entire football game, and I think, um, you know, he basically realized that they were getting a lot better push up front, or the execution was a lot more sound. He wasn't having people leaking into his backfield. We'd have to make his first cut. So you can see his confidence, you know, start to increase in the

confidence to the guys up front increase as well. So hopefully, you know, everybody's prideful in their job and they'll take pride in a little bit of improvement and look to even take it even further against Oakland. The Bengals faced the Raiders on Sunday under head coach John Gruden in the second year of that ten year, one hundred million

dollar contract. After going four and twelve last year, the Raiders are five and four this year, despite playing five straight games away from home, four road games in a London game. Where have the Raiders improved this year? They've improved closing close games. They've won five their five wins or by a total of twenty seven points, so they've had six games decided by a touchdown or less. They've won five of them. You know, that's that's what's going

to happen for you. And the biggest reason is in the West Coast offense that John Gruden runs, you have to be able to run the football, and they've got a rookie out of Alabama, Jacobs, who's running the football well behind a behemoth offensive line. You get a pair of offensive tackles six foot eight and one of them six eight two three eighty six foot eight, three hundred

and eighty pounds. My goodness, Jacobs eight hundred eleven yards rushing, sixth best in the league, seven rushing touchdowns, six best in the league. Got to have a running game to operate out of that for that West Coast offense, and you have to have a tight end, and they found a tight end. This young kid, Waller who's been cleaned for two years now, had drug issue that he's cleaned himself up from. You get a respected kid fifty one catches five eighty eight yards, three touchdowns. It's a very

tight end friendly offense. West Coast offense cars playing at a very high level, completing over seventy percent of his passes. And that's the West Coast offense. You know, throws that you can anticipate and throw with accuracy and in attack required in the football field. They're playing very good offense and playing good enough defense under Paul Gunter to win some close games. Did you say? Six eight three eighty six eight three eighty depending what he has for pregame meal.

Sunday will mark the last time the Bengals will play at Oakland, Alameda County Coliseum, the so called black Hole. You played there four times, including a playoff game in seventy five. What stands out about the black Hole? A lot of things, you know, John Madden, Al Davis, great players. You know, a bunch of characters, I mean the cast of characters. That place was the wildest place I think ever.

And I was pretty good friends with Dave Casper, and he was telling me stories our rookie year about what it was like playing there in Oaklands. It's almost unbelievable stuff. I mean, you can't you can't comprehend it. But the biggest thing is those crazy fans. I mean, those people are nuts, the way they dress up, and I mean the vulgarity of the language. They don't there's not two words in a sentence that doesn't have one of them

being vulgar. I mean, it's just I mean they'll spit on you, They'll they'll do everything and anything to you. And uh, you know, it's almost like you're you're in the middle of Hell's Angels, um, you know, international meeting or something. The way they're all dressed looks like they just get off their bikes and and and they're ready to roll um. But they're they're passionate and they were rabid fans. And man, that was a huge home field

advantage for the Raiders. And the other thing I remember is how long the grass was because Al Davis had big backs. Mark van egu and Marv Hubbard not real speed, so he would grow and you know his his Danny of Bramm and people like that, Fred Bullittencoffe. I should say they didn't run well. He let that grass grow because you know, didn't affect their team speed. They didn't have it. He wanted to affect your team speed. Our boy from Syracuse, man, he didn't miss any trick. Al Davis,

proud Syracuse grad. Normally we wear Bengals gear to the stadium on Sunday. I might seek a one game exemption just to not have those people get all over me. What do you think, I'll tell you they are They are something else and they will challenge it. They are challenging, and I do remember we want a game out there, and they literally started pounding on the buses. I mean they were trying to tip our buses before we rolled

out there to get to the airport. I'm like, we're gonna be able to make it out of here or what I mean those folks they're serious is a heart attack about their raiders. Man. The big story in the NFL on Friday morning was the shocking end to the Thursday night football game as Cleveland Brown's defensive end Miles Garrett ripped the helmet off of Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph and then swung it hard at Rudolph's head. It was a violent act that is certain to lead to a

lengthy suspension. The longest suspension for an on field incident in NFL history was handed out earlier this year the former Bengals linebacker von tz Perfect. He got twelve games for a helmet to helmet hit to Colts tight end Jack Doyle. In Berfick's case, the league cited his history of violating unnecessary roughness rules despite his checkered passed. The Raiders signed Vontez as a free agent in the off season, and head coach John Gruden defended that move this week.

He was a good addition. I mean, we have Liptoncott here, He's a linebacker coach who coached him as Cincinnati, and Gunther was a coordinator. So I don't know how much more intelligence I could have. I'm not happy about what the league did to him, I'm not at all. I'm really appalled by it, ticked off by it, But what can I do? You know, I got a lot of respects for what Burfick did. Coming in here. He was

elected team captain by every man on our team. He played very very well, He had a helmet the helmet contact play, and he was thrown out of the league for twelve games, unprecedented in NFL history, and I'm not happy about it, given the way that his tenure kind of wrapped up in Cincinnati. Did you have any concerns about bringing him on the roster and how much did you everything that happened here before you brought him in. I don't want to vet any more than what I've

already said. You know, Like I said, I have two coaches that coached him that have a lot more contact with him than I had, And he came in here did exactly what we asked him to do, and what has happened to him is unprecedented in the history of football, and I hope someday we can get a chance to coach him again. Test is twenty nine years old and has been suspended for a total of twenty two games

in his career for illegal hits or peed violations. Now time for this week's locker room conversation as I visit with one of the bengals most pleasant surprises This season. We're in the locker room with Brandon Wilson, the NFL leader and kickoff return average at thirty six yards per return. Has leading the NFL in that category become a personal goal, you know, it's a blessing. I mean, the guys of France,

they really they really just do a good job. And I mean they just make it so easy for me to return the ball there far, So I mean just props uping down. Honestly, you've been in that role before. Is the guy trying to block for somebody else? Is there anybody on that unit in particular that's just known as being great at crushing people in the blocking role on kick returns? I mean Clayton, Shoot, try Vaughn, you know all those really, all those guys they always make

great blocks, honestly. So, I mean they just they just really do their job out there. We're talking to Brandon Wilson, the NFL leader and kickoff return average. You had the ninety two yard touchdown return against Baltimore, but your average isn't the result of like one or two really long returns. You've had a big one in all four games where you've been the kick returner. You've had one of at least forty nine yards in every game. How close have

you been to multiple touchdowns? I mean, I know the jackson I know the Jacksonville game almost had another one. I mean, as soon as I came out of the out of the scene, I was like, oh, I'm gone, but guy, he kind of tripped me up. And you know, I had a I had a couple couple more. That's that's been really close to just a few little steps

or just almost did. Really people might have heard in the background Brandon Combs, assistant Special teams coach Justin said to me, are you driving the Pro Bowl bus or what? So I'll ask you the question. Have you started to wonder if you might be able to go to the Pro Bowl this year as a special teamer? Yeah, I kind of have, you know, I mean, it'll be it'll be good if I'm if I'm able to do that. But at the same time, you know, it's just shows

you how good our our kickoff return team is. And that's props so that you know, the guys, the guys in front just making them blocks and just making it so easy for me to just re read blocks and you know, make cuts. What kickoff returners, present or former. Do you admire Devin Hester the man, that's the man. Yeah, he's one of the legends, and you know he's one

of the greatest, honestly in my opinion kickoff returns. So on your kickoff return touchdown against the Ravens, you were timed at twenty two point zero three miles an hour. You are one of three people in the NFL while carrying the ball to top twenty two miles an hour this year. Do you know the other two? Matt Breda and I can't remember Cordeol Patters Pisen, Yeah, Cordell Patterson.

That's what I was thinking. It was so inquiring minds want to know if you can run twenty two miles an hour, are you the fastest guy on this team? I don't think I am. I know John Ross he's real fast. William Jackson's fast, So I mean it's it's somewhere between us. Honestly, that's a pretty good top three. A couple more questions for Brandon Wilson. You've got six brothers and sisters. How excited are they by what you've

done so far this year? Every time I do something specialty always like send something like group message that we have, so they're always excited. All right. Last question. You went to the University of Houston, but you're from Shreveport, Louisiana. Are the folks back home caught up in LSU fever? Yeah, some of them more. I know my wife's family. They like Ellis you a lot, but my family not much. They're big Houston fans because I went to Houston, so

as they should be. I'm looking forward to calling another kickoff return touchdown hopefully this week. Congratulations on your great season to date. Best of LLULL going forward. Thank you. That's Brandon Wilson. Brandon's current average of thirty six yards per kick return would rank second best for a single season in NFL history if he keeps it up. The record is forty one point one, set by Travis the road Runner Williams of the Green Bay Packers as a

rookie back in nineteen sixty seven. That year, Williams returned a total of eighteen kickoffs and took four back for touchdowns. Now time for this week's Know the Faux Interview, as we do a deep dive into the Bengals upcoming opponent. After going four and twelve last year, The Raiders already have five wins this year, and if the season ended today, Oakland would be the sixth and final playoff team in

the AFC. Former Pro Bowl offensive lineman Lincoln Kennedy calls Oakland games on the radio with the legendary Brent Musburger, and he joined Dave Lapham and me this week on the Bengals Game Plan Show to discuss the much improved Raiders.

Drafting smart has been one part of it, but more importly, putting a scheme that's more conducent to the players that you have when you take a look at the scheme this year, they put a lot ins assists into Antonio Brown for having him on his roster, and he wasn't. He didn't come on the roster, so they had to make adjustments and change it. The receiving corps has been a sort of a disarray with the injuries, but Josh Stacas has been a positive. Um. I really do believe

he's offensive rookie of the Year. And more importantly, Derek car has been a lot more setting consistence because the protection up front is really else. Yeah, that protection up front, Like you know all about that as a as a former player, at twelve quarterbacks. Sacks tied for third fewers in the league, but sack per pass attempt third best in the NFL. And the only team in the league that has shut teams out without a sack. Shut defense is out four games, the only team that's spendable to

do that four different times. So that offensive line is mammoth. I mean, it's it's hard to get around that offensive line. And has it been them? Has it been Car? Has it been a combination? Well, you know, when it comes to pass pro and pass plays, it's everyone receivers getting open, offensive line doing the job, Derek Carr making the right race. But you know, Derek Carr has been in this OFFICI well,

not in this offense. Has been in the league for quite a few times, and there's been some times where he takes some hilations hits. Last year, I think he was sacked fifty nine times or something like that, fifty one sacked. But and so it kind of made him a little skittish. This time, he's getting rid of the ball quickly, he's making proper reads, and he's doing something of the ball rather than trying to hold on it and make a bigger play. We're visiting with Lincoln Kennedy

talking about the Oakland Raiders. Let's talk about tight end Darren Waller. He's a guy that overcomes some drug issues early in his career in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen. Right now he's playing about as well as any tight end in the NFL. Does he belong in the conversation, is one of the best. Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, I think when you look at last year, even though there was a whole lot of wins, the production that Derek carrhead with Jared Cook was now in New Orleans

shows you how much you like succid in position. And I'm sure you guys will agree with today's game. The slot receiver and the tight end are extremely important because there's so much space and the rules that allow them to get open. With all that being said, Darren Waller has done a great job of not only turning his life around, but also become a very popular player. Not only the last game to San Diego, I'm not saying Nego, the Charges played against the Raiders. They doubled them. They

doubled them a lot. And the same thing was said before with Detroit. So they're trying to take him out of the game plan, but that just frees up other people. Paul Gunter. Everybody here in Cincinnati is obviously very familiar with Paul Gunter's name and his brand of defensive play. His side, his group. I mean, they're young, he's got some injury issues he's battling with. You know, the numbers don't look you know, spectacular, buy any stretch at this point.

But when you throw tape on and then they play hard, I mean they run around the field, they get after, they're giving effort out there. I totally agree. That was one of the things that set out to me about the team. When people ask me what is this team's identity, I say, it's never say die. They're never going to give up. There are a lot of young players out there.

There's a lot of contribution from the defensive line. The linebacking corps has been a little bit of upheaval because of injuries as suspensions that the hero Whitehead has done a pretty fairly decent job at that middle linebacker spot, and the second there has been kind of complete disarray with injuries all around. In trades. You know, a couple of weeks ago, they traded Garyan Connley to the Euston Texans.

That kind of left a little bit of home. But they have a lot of a lot of upside to guys like Trey von Muellen and Keishaan Nixon that they're looking forward to. So there have been a number of players that have stepped in and done a fairly decent job. But make no mistake about it, guys, this is a team that's going to have to score. The Raiders are a team that's going to have to score at least twenty eight to thirty one points a game in order to just be in a consideration of winning because their

defensive is going to go some place. We're talking to Raiders broadcaster Lincoln Kennedy. Barring a home playoff game or more than one home playoff game, there are three games left in the black Hole before the Raiders moved to Vegas. What's the atmosphere like right now at a Raiders home game. It's really a frenzy and raucous atmosphere because a lot of people in Oakland, a lot of the Raider Nation, are really happy that the Raiders are doing, you know,

fairly well. I don't think a lot of people gave the Raiders credit. I think the over and under out of Vegas coming into the season was like six games. Well they're on the doorstep of that. And I came into the season saying, look, I think the Raiders are an average team. They should finish around eight and eight. And if they get that eight to win and they still have some games to go, maybe, just maybe they could probably find that a ninth win that possibly challenged

for a wild card. But that being said, I think people are starting to feel like that the possibility that there might be another playoff game, or that they can see they probably won't be at home, but still, you know, there's a chance because the Chiefs I thought were going to be stronger than where they are, and so there's a chance that the Raiders find a way that they can take one in Kansas City and maybe take a

couple all along the division. They might be able to get past the Chiefs and maybe host the playoff game. Who knows. Man, you look at the quarterbacks that you've gone up against the last four weeks. You go to Green Bay, you got to battle Aaron Rodgers. You go to Houston, Deshaun Watson, play them a three point game. I mean, that's a hell of football game. Then you get Stafford, you know with Detroit and in Philip rivers the charges. I mean, you know you split those games

two and two. But man's that's all of a run of quarterbacks that you had to go go face and came out you know pretty good. Well that's the NFL. You know that, that's the NFL. There aren't many quarterbacks where you can just sit and look down your nose. I'm like, well, you don't give him a chance. Even some of the backup quarterbacks, like what Teddy Bridgewater did

in New Orleans, it was a comparable deal. So the thing is, the thing is that when you're playing up against these teams, like I said, the Raiders are happy that they're at a five and four record. Sure there was a couple of games that could have went either way, but they still have a lot of holes. They still have a lot of things they have to address, and it's I'm also a battle of attrition at this point because everybody's beat up, everybody's injured. You can't take anybody

for granted. I don't think the Raiders will, but you know, that's the Cincinnati Bengal team coming in doesn't have a win yet, but you'd hate to be the first one to give it to him. A few more questions for Raiders broadcaster Lincoln Kennedy. We spoke on the phone today with John Gruden and he made a impassioned or gave an impassioned defense of Vantaz perfect saying that it's a total injustice that he was suspended for the rest of the year. There's never been anything like this in NFL

history for a helmet to helmet contact play. Do you agree? I do agree, And the fact that the fact that the official ruling was is that he was too rough and that's why I suspended for a year is to me as an agree to say it because it's ridiculous. I thought we were talking about football, but I guess this is what we become. And I'm not just saying

that because he plays for a team I cover. I'm saying that because I don't like how tiki tack they are, how they claim that they're protecting players when they still they still wanted to let them play. They let certain things go, but then they call they call other things to the to the team, and it just it's never been consistent with me. It's never been a good fill

of me. I felt this is a contact game. I felt that these were men playing, But sometimes I think that they wanted want everybody to walk around and where something else. I guess, play a little pattycake out there. I guess I was what's looking for? I mean, it's it's crazy to hand too much? Yeah, exactly, so John Gruden he is. You know, every coach talks about establishing their culture. In your mind, what is John Gruden's culture? What do you think it's supposed to be and how

close is it to you to being fulfilled? Do you think, Well, he came in last year and pretty much cleaned the house, didn't he? Sure? You know, given away Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper and made it a bunch of other decisions about other players that have been drafted by Reggie McKenzie and his staff. I think that pretty much sends the

staple of an identity. But the more so than that, guys look at this, will you take into consideration how many rookies are first year players on the starting roster of this team and how they've contribute to this five and four record. I think that's a testament in itself. Do you know him? You know what I mean? Yep, yep, absolutely our thanks to Lincoln Kennedy and that's going to

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