Bengals Booth Podcast: Let's Stay Together

with the Bengals. We'll also hear from college football broadcaster Sean McDonough, who called four LSU games this year, including the national semifinal win over Oklahoma and the National championship victory over Clemson. What does Sean think of Joe Burrow's NFL potential and what did he learn about the possible number one overall pick from talking to Burrow and as coaches. That's coming up. Finally, i'll speak to the executive director

of the Senior Bowl, Jim Nagee. He'll share the latest developments on Burrow's possible attendance and why Bengals fans might want to consider a trip to Mobile, Alabama. All of that is straight ahead, but first, here's a quick reminder that you can have the latest edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer. By subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since Kevin Harland's radio play by play.

This week, Kevin Harland was named the National Sportscaster of the Year by the NSMA, the National Sports Media Association. Kevin is great at anything he does, including NFL football and college basketball on CBS and the NBA on Turner Sports, but in my opinion, he shines brightest when doing NFL

games on the radio on Westwood One. As someone who tries to do the same job, I am in awe of Kevin's ability to paint a vivid picture of what he sees, not only the action on the field, but the weather conditions, the sights and sounds in and around the stadium. Shoot, you can almost taste what's grilling in the tailgate lots when Kevin calls the game. So kudos to the best in the business on a well deserved award, the incomparable Kevin Harlan. Now let's get to the Bengals.

There have been some changes on the Bengals coaching staff since the end of the season. Braden Combs left to become the special teams coordinator for the Detroit Lions. Linebackers coach Tim Lucaboo is the new defensive coordinator at Boston College, and ESPN's Ben Baby has reported that cornerbacks coach Toronte Jones will not be back. On Thursday, the NFL Networks Mike Garoffalo reported that the bengals new linebackers coach will be Al Golden, the former college head coach at Temple

and the University of Miami. It appears that everybody else on the staff will return, including special teams coordinator Darren Simmons. He is universally considered to be among the best at his job in the NFL, and Darren turned down opportunities to go elsewhere before signing a multi year extension in Cincinnati. I talked to him about staying and his hopes of eventually getting a head coaching opportunity. Darren, I think the Bengals have already retained one of the most important free agents.

When you agreed to accept a contract extension, why are you coming back for an eighteenth season and beyond well, I'm excited about the future here. You know, we have a good, solid core group of young players. We just got to get him all on the field. At the same time, I think we've been a little banged up for a variety of reasons over the past couple of years. You know, it'll be it'll be good to get everybody

together and going again. You know, my h the Brown family has been very critical to my family success here, and that really resonates with me, you know, the nuity of being able to keep my family in one place, you know, for so long. It was also a big part of I've got three kids and and you know, two of them at least are gonna be able to finish school here, to start school and finish school here, and that was a huge, huge, huge part of my

decision to stay. Your job title is changing, and in addition to being the special teams coordinator, you will be the assistant head coach. Are there added responsibilities that go with that. Well, I think that that's still getting worked out a little bit. I'd like to think that I'll have a voice maybe in helping take some things off a Zax's plate. I think Zach's got a lot on his plate. You know, he's trying to serve two roles,

being the head coach and being the offensive coordinator. And I think that that takes up a lot of time, so hopefully, you know, I can help him with ideas in terms of scheduling, timing, urch just bouncing other ideas off of you know, I've only spend here for the longest I kind of the landscape of what's going on, So you know, I trust Zach Uh. I'm excited to maybe have my role expanded that way to become more

of an influence. We're visiting with Darren Simmons. You interviewed for the head coaching job when Marvin was let go. They elected obviously to hire Zach. It could have been awkward, but you guys seem to have a great working relationship. Why has it worked out so well? Well? I thinks to respect, you know, I respect the role that he's in UM, and I think that's a fantastic deal. He also respects what I do. I think in this area. I think he knows again that his plates are very

full with a lot of the things. And I think it's probably reassuring to him to have an experienced guy UM like me, or one who's been through it here before, and he can kind of u not let me go, but he can trust and I'm going to get this or this side of the ball handled. Um. You know, obviously, I'm very appreciative that he elected to keep me here. Um again, I'm very excited to expand potentially my role going forward and the fact that he trusted me enough

to you know, help me get this title. It's obviously a tough year for the team, and yet the special teams units as a whole. We're ranked number one in the NFL by the website Football Outsiders dot com, which is probably the most respected evaluator of that. Is that especially meaningful in a season where the team went too

and fourteen? Yeah, I mean, I think if you you try to look for any type of positive when when your team goes too and fourteen or struggled the way we did as a team, you know, I'm very proud of the fact that we were able to do that. Um. You know, I think it's a certainly a testament to the players we had and the amount of work and time that they put in, and the you know, the degree of toughness that they showed to battle through and

and the togetherness that they showed. That's also another reason why I decided to come back here. It's tough to walk away from. But I would certainly give up every single one of those Rankings mean nothing. Only ranking the means anything is wins and losses, and I would certainly give every bit of that up to change what our record was. And because it really doesn't matter what we do, it's about what our team does, and obviously we got to get you know, we got to get more wins.

So again I would give every bit of that up. It's it's great that that happened, it's a silver lining to us. But again I would get every bit of that up to get some more wins. Your top assistant, Braden Combs, is leaving to become the special teams coordinator with the Detroit Lions. Are you like a proud dad? Yeah,

I'm very I'm excited for Brandon. Braden's been here, you know, a long time too, and he's worked hard in the role that he's been in, and I think it's good to see guys who have been in part of something good here get the ability to spread their wings and go on and do their own gig. You know, I was part of that same deal when I left Carolina and it was a great opportunity for me, you know, coach Lewis took a chance on me as a whatever it was, twenty twenty nine year old guy and in

the same thing with a Brown family. And again that still has great meaning to me and I respect that, and I know a lot of times guys, it's it's about being in the right spot at the right time. It's about opportunity. And you know, hopefully Braden will take this thing and run with it. But I'm again, I'm very happy for him and his family. It's a long time coming and I'm sure you'll do great things. We're

talking to Darren Simmons. Let's discuss some of the individuals on special teams from last year, Beginning with Kevin Huber. He had a forty two point one net hunting average that tied his career high. That matched his Pro Bowl season. He'll be thirty five next year. He's got a year left on his contract. Is he like a veteran pitcher who doesn't have maybe his great fastball anymore, but he's found a way to get guys out. Yeah. I think it's a very good analogy. You know, he's become more

proficient and efficient, I think is what he's become. I think we did. He didn't. You know, for whatever reason, we didn't have as many of the bad hits this year's we've had in the past. I think he was more consistent. I think we covered better. You know, anytime your net average is up there high like it is, it's it's a result of many things. It's a result of punting, it's a result of placement, but it's also

a result of coverage. And fortunate for us, we didn't give any plays up in coverage, or do we really give any plays up in protection? You know, the quickest way to kill in net average to have a pump blocked, and that didn't happen to us that year. Fortunately, knock on wood and so you know, again, Kevin is somebody that we haven't that I haven't an immense amount of

trust in um. He's an experienced guy, as a vetro guy, he knows all about handling situations when he has to speed up, when he has to when the ball has to be placed in certain spots. And there's a certainly a high, high level of trust that I have and him knowing what to do and when to do it. Randy Bullock also has a year left on his deal. He made eighty seven percent of his field goal attempts, only missed one Pat drill the fifty seven yard field goal in the next to last game to set the

regular season franchise record. What did you think of his season? I thought he had a very good, very solid season two. You know, his first year with US was very good. I think he had eighteen to twenty. Last year was a little bit of a step back, you know. I think he was a little a little above eighty percent eighty one, two eighty three somewhere around. And I thought this year he came back and had another good bounce back. Yere Um. It was a little shaky at the beginning

of the year. I think he got off to an average start. He was very very very solid through the middle of the season, you know, and then he picked the last game of the year to miss his first PAT. But but but again, I thought he had a solid season overall. You know. The one thing I think that also gets overlooked is he kicked off pretty effectively for US throughout the year, whether it was placement or distance and hang time. That's a second second half or aspect

of his job too. And I thought he did a good job that's over. I think it's a very solid season. It's what you would expect to have a veteran guy. You had the NFL leader in kickoff return average, and Brandon Wilson he had the exact number of returns needed to qualify for the league lead. What does a guy like that do for the entire group? Oh, it brings an immense amount of juice, I mean, I think, and

it's immense amount of belief. I think our guys felt that, you know, when when he was rolling there to the middle half of the year, that every single time um that we had an opportunity to return it, we're going to turn it for a touchdown. I mean, there's several other ones if you watch the video and that he

should have had probably three or four touchdowns. He got tripped up once in a Jacksonville In the Jacksonville game, he he actually muffed one that he picked up and almost came out of their own So there's there's at least three that he should have scored on just off the top of my head. But I think guys take a great deal of pride in the fact that we have a chance to affect the game from a field position. Standpoint,

that's a big deal for him. I think they love that responsibility and I think they also view it as viewed as a Another prideful part too, is that if these guys that the opponent screws up and tries to actually kick us the ball and will allow us to handle the ball, that we're gonna make him pay. And so I think it brings a certain level of confidence to not only your group, your special teams group, but

also to the team. It's it's it's very neat to have the rest of the players on our whole team standing up on the sideline watching every kickoff, a turn play and when the Brandon might break it. We're visiting with Darren Simmons, the coaching staff is getting ready to go coach in the Senior Bowl. What will you be doing during the draft prep process. Obviously you look at kickers and punters and you want to have the latest intel on those guys, But what about Gunner's special teams

core guys all of that. Well, I think that's a huge part about it. You know, that's where you find guys that can really help you and affect you. Guys like Brandon Wilson and guys like Clayton federally drafted in the sixth and seventh rounds that can again affect our team in a positive fashion. So I spend as much time looking at returners, looking at core cover players, um, you know, that have the traits that we want that we've identified as the coaching staff or as a scouting

department that we want to have on our team. And so again, like I said, I spend part of the majority of my time looking at those guys as opposed to just look at the punters and kickers. You know, I feel confident, I feel comfortable with the three guys that we have right now, Kevin, Clark and Randy you know, we're always looking to get things better. That's it's no sic get all three of those guys are getting a little longer in the tooth, and it'll happen, you know

here at some point. I just don't know when that's going to be. So, um, my focus doesn't change. I still look every year, like uh, you know, for these specialists, the punter, a kicker, and the snapper. Look for candidates there. But again I can push a little bit of my focus to other areas or my attention to other areas knowing we have guys in place there. So, um, you know that the draft process is a huge part of

building our team. I think that's been established here with this franchise, that that the draft is the lifeblood of our team. So we got very important that a we get those players right and be we get him healthy to the season. The Giants hired a special teams coordinator to be their new head coach, Joe Judge. Ravens coach John Harbaugh was famously a special teams coordinator. Bill Belichick

started out as an assistant special teams coach. Marv Levy began his pro coaching career as a special teams coach. When a guy like that Joe Judge gets a job, is it a victory for all of the people that do what you do? Yeah, it certainly is. I think he also feels the pressure of holding the torch right now too, of that that he better get it right. And you know, Joe's a good friend of Mine's a close friend of mine, and he told me that he

certainly feels the weight of that. And I expressed him and said, you can't feel the way to that you have to go. You're gonna be fine, just going and doing what you do. I think that it's unfortunate that more guys haven't got that opportunity. You know, the special team's cord has been well documented. Is the one guy that affects the whole team or has his hands on the whole team other than the head coach, and has the best feel for every player on the forty six

man roster on game days. I think it's also important to know that the special teams coaches have a great field for situational things, you know, timing situations and games. So I again, I'm obviously very jaded in the fact that I believe that more guys should get the opportunity, but it is a very exciting deal for him. I'm happy for him, and I'm sure he's gonna do something great. What do you think you need to do? You obviously are well regarded throughout the NFL for what you've done

as a special teams coordinator. Is it tied to teams success? Does it depend on another guy like Joe Judge being successful. I think it's probably a combination of both, you know. I think the fact that I've been able to stay here as long as I have, there's a certain level of you know, distinction. Maybe I guess that goes with that, um, if that's the right word or respect, I guess, um. You know, I think that Joe going and doing well

will be a big factor going forward. Um. There have been other guys who've been successful as special teams coaches that have gotten interviews that just haven't gotten the head job. Dave Tobe is one that comes to mind. It gets a lot of interviews and for whatever reason, somebody's not taking a chance on him, you know. And again he is somebody who I who I also think would do

a fantastic job as a head coach. So I think it's just a matter of you know, getting the right opportunity at the right time, and having somebody, more importantly, having somebody in an organization, an owner or a general manager, believing in you and and taking a chance that way. But but I do know that I think just no different the way it was John Harbaugh. You know, it's

a little unique too. If you'll remember, John was a special team's coach his whole career, then he went away from that for one year and coach the DBS in Philadelphia. Joe has been a special teams coach, but he also was the receiver coach this year in New England. So maybe I need to go coach another position for a year to open up my pathways. But I know I enjoy what I'm doing and I think, like I said, Joe will be fine and just as long as it's not against us. What other position would you coach if

there was one? That's a good question. I don't know. I never really never really thought about it that way. Trust me, I have my eyes set on just doing a good job coach in the punt of the kicker, L four on the kickoff team, the PP on the punt team, the left gunner on the punt team, the right safety on the punt return team. And that's trust me that that's plenty for me. We've heard about how guys prepare for head coaching interviews. They've got their practice

plan sketched out for an entire year. They have possible assistant coaches planned out. Do you have a notebook like that for the next time you have an opportunity to interview for a head coach position. Yeah, I've begun that process. I think you're naive if you don't, um you know, I think I found out a year ago that sometimes

these things happened very quickly. Like last year was maybe the two days after the season, I got the fortunate opportunity to speak with the Brown family here about disposition. So sometimes it happens pretty quickly. So, you know, I think it's something that you you build a book towards. It's more getting your thoughts down on paper so somebody

else can see them. I have in my own head, but it's I think it's it's putting pinned the paper, putting it to a computer and getting it on a piece of paper so somebody else can see it too.

So yeah, that's been a process that I've been working towards for you know, really my my whole coaching career, you know, did it It was at the forefront earlier on, No, the forefront early on in my career, just trying to stay alive, just trying to keep my head above water and trying to be a good coach and trying to

make our players good. You know, I think now that I've been in this league for a long time or been in this situation to spot for a bit, you know, I can you know, help expand my reach or expand my vision a little bit. And again I'm hopeful this year with this new added title, maybe that I can help Zach in some way that maybe, um, he wasn't prepared for a year ago. UM, And so maybe we can see things through the same eyes together, and you know,

we can pull this whole thing tighter. You'll had a great head coach if you ever get the chance here. Attention to detail as unmatched. It's great that the Bengals were able to retain you as the special teams coordinator, and I appreciate your time. Well, I appreciate too, Dan, and I appreciate that all that you and Dave do on on a weekly basis to our fans on how good they got it. UM to have guys who are as insightful and more importantly as knowledgeable as what you

guys are. So I really appreciate the chance to talk with you. Now, let's turn our attention to the NFL Draft. Let's face it, after throwing for four hundred and sixty three yards and five touchdowns and then National Championship Game and running for a sixth TD, it is widely assumed that LSU's Joe Burrow will be selected by Cincinnati with

a number one overall pick in the NFL Draft. Here in Cincinnati, one of the radio stations that carries Bengals games has already started running humorous promos identifying itself as the home of Joe Burrow. Premature, but funny. I thought it would be interesting this week to talk to my friend Sean McDonough, the ESPN and ABC broadcaster who called both of LSU's postseason wins. Sean, Joe Burrow was incredible

in those games. Seven touchdown passes against the Sooners, all in the first half, five touchdown passes against Clemson on Monday night. Based on what you've seen, what do you think of Joe Burrow as an NFL prospect? God, I think he's a great prospect. I think he said an amazing season, and we sit on the end of the other night that it might be the greatest season and the quarterbacks ever had in college football. I don't know

how you could be much better, if at all. May he set the record for most touchdown passes in a season, you know, and I know some of that is skewed by the fact that these guys played more games now than quarterbacks did years ago, but still he shattered these records. You know, throw sixty touchdown passes. I think he had the third highest single season passing yardage total of all time. And the other guys were guys who played at Texas

Tech who were throwing the ball on every down. And then you know, he came very close to the single season completion percentage mark. When you throw the ball down the field like he does and you complete seventy seven percent of your passes from yere, that's remarkable. He spoke strong, tough, as as good athlete as we saw. He can hurt you with the run. He's a great leader that he's a person of high character. You know, I don't know

what he's lacking. I think he's about his closest, the closest thing to a sure thing that I've seen in quarterbacks, you know, coming out, maybe since Andrew Law two years ago, more than a few years ago. Now, how did the LSU coaches describe him when you had the opportunity to interact with them, Well, it's interesting is we met with Steve Ensming or the offensive coordinator before the national semifinal game, and he said, obviously he has a lot of great attributes.

Joe Burrow does. And I said, of all the things that you appreciate about him, you know what stands out the most or how would he raped them? And the first thing that he said, there's his toughness and that

his teammates fed off his toughness. And he said he really won the team over last season, his end of his first season as their starting quarterback in the Festival when they played UCF and he got really lit up after during he picked six, he threw an interception they're got returned by UCF for a touchdown and one of the defensive linemen jacked him up and then kind of stood old and flex and he always a hard, hardhead.

I've seen the video over a couple of times. And he got up and got real mad and came back in and I think they were down fourteen to three at the time, and he led them back to a victory. And a lot of the guys that we talked to his team, they said that was really the day when he won them over. So I think you start with toughness, competitiveness, and then you know the football part of it, the accuracy.

You know, the one thing you hear Dan is he doesn't have the rocket arm, but he has plenty enough arm. You know, there might be guys who could throw it with a little more velocity deep down the field, but as we saw a year long, he has more than enough arm. And I think the ability and process information is so important today's football. He does that exceedingly well. So I would give him nothing but the highest marks based on what I saw, and I think that his

coaches more importantly agree with that. I know, if you're a broadcasting an NFL game, you would have had the chance to visit with Joe before one of those games. At least. Did you have that opportunity before either of these games? Yes, And we had a couple of their games during the regular season. We actually had four of their games over the course of the year, so talk to him several times, and you know, I was impressed by him. He's kind of a straight to the point guy.

He's not in there spouting cliches. You know, he's honest, and I think we saw a window into who he is during his Heisman speech and I thought that was one of the most touching things that I've seen in a long time. And when he spoke so passionately about the area in which he grew up, you know the food pantry there in Athens, Ohio. A couple of days ago there was a report that as a result of Joe's Heisman's speech, they had received something like five hundred

and three thousand dollars in donations. So I think he's a person a high character. I think he's very smart, very honest. I think he's a team leader type. And I think if the Bengals do select him, they will be very glad that they did. As I said, I think in all the years of doing this, there's very few times where I've seen a quarterback where I thought, Okay, this guy is guaranteed going to be a high level quarterback in the NFL. As I said, Andrew Luck was

one of them. Obviously, Peyton Manning going back a lot further when he was at Tennessee's one of them. And I'm not saying this guy is gonna be Peyton Manning, but I have a strong feeling he'll be at least I think comparable to Andrew Luck. That's what reminds me a lot of terms of size and his athleticism, and you know, they'll knock on Andrew was that maybe the rocket arm, but again, he had plenty enough arm to be a terrific NFL player. So that's uh, you know,

that's how kind of how I feel about Joe. I think whoever picks them is gonna be really glad he did. The draft is less than one hundred days away. It begins on April twenty third in Las Vegas. The Bengals coaching staff has headed to Mobile, Alabama, on Sunday for next week's Senior Bowl. The Bengals will coach the South team on Saturday the twenty fifth, while the Detroit Lions

staff will coach the North. Right now, the Bengal Senior Bowl roster includes three quarterbacks, Oregon's Justin Herbert, Oklahoma's Jalen Hurtz, and Colorado Stephen Montez. Will Joe Burrow be in attendance even if he doesn't play in the game. I discuss that and more with a man in charge. We are visiting with Jim Nagie, the executive director of the Senior Bowl. Jim, what will the Bengals coaching staff gain by coaching in

this game? It's it's really an incredible advantage dand to not only you know, be on the field, coaching them, so you know they're gonna they're gonna get to see you know, who can take coaching, who can apply coaching points, who bounce us back after a bad reve and who doesn't all be on the field? Stuff are huge takeaways. And then you know, the behind the scenes stuff is really where you separate from the other teams that are

down here for the game. You know, seeing these guys in a in a meeting rooms and a training table, and who's showing up on time for stuff and who's not and who's attentive at meetings and all those sort of things. So there's so many takeaways. I do feel like it's a it's a big advantage for the participating teams. You are from a scouting background. How does this compare to being around the guys at the Combine. Uh, It's it's a lot more of a relaxed setting and it's

just so much more time. Um, you know, I think the Combine schedule is a little more intense. There's there's more packed into those players days. Um, It's really this is a great place for the players and the teams together to really really connect in like I said, more of a laidback environment. Than there is an Indie And again that's to me, that's when from a scouting perspective, that's when you always felt like you were meeting the

real the real person, the real player. You know they when they're when they're in Indie and some of the scheduled interviews they have there, it's a little more intimidating, it's a little more intense. Um, guys have their guard down a little more down here, and you really feel like you get to know them. We are visiting the Jim Nagie from the Senior Ball as we record this conversation. I have not seen a commitment one way or another

from Joe Burrow. Where does that stand. Spoke to Joe last night and they are getting ready to board a plane. They're actually on their plane to the White House right now. Um, and we're going to talk again tomorrow, which is Friday, and uh and talk more about it. We'd love to get him, I told, I told Joe. I've met Joe over the summer at the Manning Passing Camp for the first time and then I get at SEC Media Days,

so we've got a little bit of a relationship. And uh, you know, I've spoken to the dad mister Burrow a couple of times and they'd know how bad we want him here. But he's coming off, you know, a game in the in the National Championship where he got knocked around a little bit. So the important thing for for the Senior Bowl, and I want to speak for the Bengals, but the important thing with the Sea Bowl is just getting Joe inmobile um. So then the Bengals can spend

time with him and vice versa. You know, he can he can spend time with the organization and get a feel for how they do things and how the staff is. So to me, there's a lot of value and having Joe here and we just hope he sees it the same way. So even if he does not play in the game, he should go there meet with the team's, uh, work out, etc. Yeah, Joe's a unique circumstance, he really is. You know, this is we're talking about guy that could

be the potential number one pick in the draft. So again you have to take every you know, every circumstance in case by case basis. And I think agents are on the league and teams would understand, you know, if anyone were sitting in my position that you do what it takes to get a Joe Burrow to the event. So you know, we'll work with Joe depending on how he feels. Again, how unique is that that guys play on a Monday and then are called up to an

Ullstar game. That's never happened before. That NAA pushed that back this year, so we've never had this come up. But yeah, the important thing is just getting Joe here and let him spend time with the Bengals. A couple more questions for Jim Nagie from the Senior Bowl. I looked it up this morning. You can fly round trip from Cincinnati to Mobile for three hundred and thirty six bucks, so that's not bad. It's a ten hour drive, which is doable. What would a Bengals fan get from going

to Mobile for the Senior Bowl. I'm so glad you asked. Yeah. I was at the Draft last year in Nashville, and the Draft is a great event and that's why I got into scouting. When you know, watching the Draft is a little kid but you know, really that event and there were six hundred thousand people in Nashville. I promised

diehard Bengals fans that if they come to Mobile. Um, they're gonna have an incredible, incredible experience, especially because their team's drafting first overall, in their in their coaching staff is coaching the game. So you know, you can stand ten feet from these drills. You know, the Bengals drafted six guys out of our game last year. You can say you're the first one to see him and be up close. You know that there's access to our players.

You can take sophies with these guys. You know, a couple of years ago, Baker Mayfield's here, if Joe Burrows here. I mean, these guys are really accessible. And then you know, Mobile is a small town environment. You can walk up in down Dolphins Street here, which which is our main dragt through downtown m and walk, you know, pop in and out of restaurants, in bars in the NFL's here. If there's nine hundred, nine hundred NFL people, the league

kind of descends on our town for a week. And you know last year, I use the example, I've walked into a bar to meet an old friend of mine from the league and there's three head coaches all sitting at the bar together. And that's pretty cool. If you're a diehard NFL fan. There's all these guys you see on TV throughout the year and here they are just you know, in a relaxed setting. So it's really a unique atmosphere and we would encourage all the Bengals fans

to come. They will not regret it. They'll actually want to come back next year. Whether the Bengals coaches earn it or not. It's it's such a great event. One of the players on the South roster that the Bengals will coach is University of Cincinnati tight end Josiah Deguara, who played high school football with the Bengals first pick in last year's draft, Jonah Williams. In addition to working with the tight ends, Deguara will be taking some reps

at fullback at the Senior Bowl as well. That's going to do it for this edition of a podcast. If you haven't done so already, don't forget to subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean, and if you have a minute, please give it a rating or share a comment. Those five star ratings help more Bengals fans find this podcast. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for listening to the Bengals Boot Podcast