S01E162: Welcome To The Farm Kid, That’s Human Waste

Go up there and imagine a giant dome in the sky. You should go to the town hall there and tell remind them what the hell they could have had. Well, I'm glad that you bring that up because it turns out there is a local library that you can go to to check out a lot of these plans. How exciting is that? That's awesome. This will be the last set of clips. These come from a local PBS broadcasts about the experiment city and here's them going through the files themselves. We have

the documents at the library. They get the documents to be more. Yours is the only planet in the solar system capable of supporting our civilization. Fantastic. Over a billion of you trying to come here to Earth. If you're looking for good science fiction, skip the Netflix account and make your way to the legislative reference library. It should be right here, quite a bit of material. These humble binders, about 20 in total, are the final resting place of one of the most unusual

stories in our state's history. And it starts with this title, the Minnesota Experimental City. What's inside is even cooler. Hexagonal system of urban centers. They called it an umbrella system in here. They meant domes. Two kilometers across. So these things were huge. Here's helicopters. Oh, look at this. Look at this. Look at this right here. Anti-gravity capability. That is funny.

Everything in these reports from domes, cities to anti-gravity was part of a state-funded project that culminated in 1973 with a shovel-ready plan to construct the City of the Future at the bargain basement cost of $10 billion. There are things in here that raise more questions than they answer. Like, look at this one. Experimental manipulation of rewards. No, now that's fall out. You get to control every little aspect of society. No one, it's amazing if you didn't want to be part of this.

Come on. What's not to love about society on the dial? Don't you trust the overseer? How are they going to figure out the whole, like, not having the sun thing? Is it from what I can see? They're trying to build a concrete dome over the whole city. I didn't see anything that stood out per se. So I'm guessing either glass or maybe some form of artificial sunlight. Clutch to the mark. Sounds wonderful. God only knows they've been trying that for a long while.

Oh, they still are. Gosh, that Microsoft guy wants to black out the sun still. This thing had the support of NASA engineers, civil rights leaders, media moguls, fame, architect, Buckminster Fuller, and even the vice president at the time, Herbert Humphrey. My favorite Herbert Humphrey. There is this link, if you all want to check it out. That's the original proposal from

Athel there for the experiment city. What else do we got here? It was going to be noiseless, fumeless, self-sustaining city, including underground infrastructure for transporting and recycling waste, a mass transit system that would slide cars on the tracks, negating the need for a driver, and computer terminals in every home that would connect people to his vision of an internet. A head of his time this guy.

I'm reading some of this here's an excerpt from the experimental city. People concentrate in cities to escape the rigors of climate to maximize social business and cultural contacts, with others with minimal travel. But when cities grow too large, the urban climate deteriorates to such an extent that people flee. Like the nomadic peoples of primitive times who moved with the seasons, they travel far to live in the uneasy compromise of suburbia. I like that, the uneasy compromise of

suburbia. In the summer, the power stations of the city's exude waste heat. The buildings prevent breezes from carrying off fumes and heat and air conditioning pumps heat from the buildings to the streets to aggravate the situation even further. But if we control all this, a little box, we're perfect. If I just had the dial in hand, I just control the air or in the heat. If I just had the fucking farm of stats, just let me control the heat.

I want to control the sun. I want to be one of our shenanigans, May. I'm doing it for you. I'm doing it for you. We're in the box. This next clip was test tube cities. Those three little words, doesn't that just strike a cord in your test tube city? What if you had a city of only test tube babies? Dude, what if we started a service called only test tubes? .com. .com. Only test tubes. Only test tubes. .com. Backslash. LOL. Test tubes. LOL. No, no, no. Yes, it does. LOL. Perfect.

Unfortunately, many of the people responsible for these plans are no longer with us. But we were able to track down one exception. His name is Todd Lefko, the youngest member of the commission, and as he explains, the original concept developed by Athastand Speelhouse at the University of Minnesota was a response to growing concerns about pollution. He came up with this idea of a large, in-effect test tube city for pollution, to test pollution

solutions. So they had this wonderful discussion about how would you put 250,000 people under a plastic dome? This was going to be truly the domed area, and we were going to be separated by at least 100 miles from anyone else. Yep, that's right. A dome city, 250,000 people, and it was going to be built in the middle of nowhere. It may sound like a flight of fancy today, but back in the early 1970s, these ideas were very real. We forget the context of history. You're sitting there in the 60s.

We could put a man on the moon. We believed in the perfectability of systems, the perfectability of people, and the use of government, basically to help bring about these ends. And the other aspect was the aspect of Minnesota. Minnesota believed we were the model for the country, and we were in terms of pollution control and social service, and most of the laws in the country often were model on Minnesota. Of course we could do it. We were in a sodas. We could do anything.

We could do anything, and with that, a city was born, at least on paper, and what a city it was. Isn't that a fun little tidbit? Minnesota provides the model. I hear that you, Minnesotans, are a hearty people. I know that you are. These Minnesotans, they are. It's anybody listening to the show, a hearty people. But I think that that heartiness comes with, this is just hubris. You're trying to build a dome city in a very inhospitable land when it gets to its worst. It's pretty wild, man.

It's pretty, pretty cold out there. It's like go put a frog underneath a Tupperware bowl outside in the sun and see how that goes. You know, give it some, give it a little water and some grass, and it still won't make it. I assure you. And I don't like this whole plastic. I thought they would at least do the dignity of giving you a glass dome. No. Because that's, if, I'll tell you what, if Steve Jobs, was running this Utopian experiment, glass domes.

Well, I can't win them all. And they didn't win it. They didn't win it at all. They never got it off the ground. It turns out they did what they could, but it never jumped out of the pages. It was nothing more than cocktail napkin scribbles realistically. Well, you got some documents out of it. And you had some architects working on it. This last clip talks about how it fell apart. And perhaps why people got concerned about how

certain directions would be chosen for the project. On a cocktail napkin, you would have had small nodes. And these would have been the areas where people live. They would have been hooked together basically by rail lines where you hooked your car under the rail lines. They would take you to a small area. So everyone would live close to nature. On cocktail napkins, it looks outstanding. The records really do speak for themselves. It was a vision of massive proportions with every

detail considered from food management. And the waste goes back into the intensive gardening. Oh, you're being PC there. That's not just any waste. That's human waste. To transportation services. You get on your feeder road, you're driving your own car. And then you get on the guideway over here, clicking the guidewheels and do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. To staffing suggestions. That's a good one. You had at least 8,000 stenographers,

typists and secretaries. But it wasn't meant to be. Fast forward 40 years, and there's no dome outside Aiken, Minnesota. Or any of the other proposed sites either. Once you get people involved, the people are the things that throw perfect experiments out. Many people were afraid that what we were doing was we were exporting all the problems of the city. A man got up and he said, you're bringing all the minorities out here because you're kicking

them out of the cities. And I said, no. I said, we had built part of the theory with the idea. This was going to be a racially integrated city. And this was going to be a pattern so you didn't develop ghettos. Plus, you're getting these weird discussions which we used to have. If there's a dome over the city, who would set the temperature? And so you started getting this feeling of opposition, which build up from the local communities, the local state senators and representatives,

opposed this greatly. Facing public opposition and the souring economy, legislative support evaporated. And the Minnesota Experimental City Authority disbanded. Today, the authorities collected works. Both of the Legislative Reference Library and the Minnesota Historical Society are open to the public and available for anybody to see. A forgotten testament to a time when Minnesota truly dreamt big. I thought it was interesting that they

referred to the the nodes as sort of these hexagonal structures. Very, very beehive like. And something you see all the time in board games now. The scores you've got hexagon. Very. Very space efficient. Very incredibly space efficient collar. That's right. Well, that's an efficient use of space collar. Yeah. And Minnesota still dreams big by the way. Come on. Come on. See you again. I love the statement. People get in the way of a good experiment.

Damn people. I bet you there's plenty of people that sit at about the Japanese, you know, back in World War II. It's like, man, thank goodness there's no rules and we can just take these people and do our experiments in peace. Gosh. I get the feeling that sentiment has been uttered many a times throughout history. pesky people. pesky people. Oh, he's getting the way. We just want to do some experiments on them. Stupid morals.

Stupid fucking autonomy. So such a pesky little emotion for you to feel. I love the, but that's the idea. If you want to make an experimental city, then you need a city full of people to experiments on. You need to get a city to volunteer to be part of your experiment. Come on. And let, you know, that weasel Nigel control the weather. That guy, that guy sits the sun for all of us. No, no thanks.

Come here. I want to put a plastic piece of tupperware over you. I want to give the control to the thermostat to somebody that's on the outside of the dome and we're going to see what happens. And you're you you shitting to the ground and the ground grows your food. We will use every fluid ounce of your piss and every scrap of your shit. Not one thing coming out of your body will be wasted. We will make sure of that. Goodness. Go on. Yes. Touch the piss.

And then they bring in the racial thing, which I mean, obviously that's like, you know, you're probably not talking about that too up in the open, but the idea is what they go 50, 50 and say, oh, but this is a utopia. So you guys all can get along now. Yeah, just as long as we don't try to do anything other than majority rule will be okay. Yeah. Yeah. Everything would be cool. Just don't tell anybody. Well, there's only one thing to do. I have to declare martial law with myself as gang.

Uh, many such cases, king of the experimental city. But that's okay. It's a freaking place. You know, what happens in the dome stays in the dome, brother. That's a true, true words. I don't know if there's ever been true words. There'll have been a lot of people that have done the dome bit, by the way. The Simpsons, lot of great sci-fi books and stories. And then there was a show Dark Lord R.K. Under the Dome.

There used to be a popular idea and they're either programming us to get ready for it, you know, to warm us up to the idea. Because I'll bet right now there's definitely a city full of people that would be down to living a dome. Check it out. If you give them 200 bucks a month, they'd do it. Yeah. And you get a YouTube show to go with it. Sorry. You get an Instagram live stream to go with it. Yep. Yes. What say you? Oh, send me up. I say just send me the send me the paperwork.

The world is broken. That's about it. That's all I got on, Ethel and the experimental city. I think next week we'll talk about another famous structure that did get erected in the state of Minnesota. We're going to the mall, baby. The mall. The mall. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to, there is one other bonus clip. If you all want to go back and check it out, it is a

PSA kind of commercial type thing for the world's fair. Circa 1962. You can check it out. I did have a clip from Ethel there talking about it. But it's like, oh, you know, we just want to inspire children and inspire scientists and just inspire everybody with our science. So feel free to check that out. It's pretty interesting. It could be interesting to do a world's fair series at some points. I would love that. That would be it's not a bad idea at all, my friend.

You know, not mean? Yeah. We could talk about all the cool shit that it was debuted at the world's fair at the various world's fairs throughout time. Oh, yeah. Man. And how fucking beautiful all the shit they would build for it. And then they tear it down like a couple days later. You know, not everything, but most of it. Well, when it's time to strike, it's time to strike. What can I say? When the iron's hot. Wow. Look at what we've done. That's great. Well, push it in the ocean boys.

Yeah. Time to tear it all down. Perhaps for the railroad. The, oh, well, actually one last little quick fun fact. The space needle in Seattle was constructed for the 62 world's fair. Yes, it was. And did you know that right now the bottom of it is painted in the original orange. Oh, I did not know that. I didn't bank then. Yeah. Usually it's just it's a general sort of gray blue color, but yeah, they've got a big old orange paint on it. It was looking pretty kitschy, I guess, back when it was

first built. The concrete base weighs just as much as the tower does. It was the biggest continual poor concrete on record. Nice. That was a lot of concrete, important to the, into the thing. That's pretty sweet. Yeah. I wonder if it was for the time or maybe some of those football stadiums have it beat now. He also had as a giant sundial statue in Manhattan. Athel does and Nile de Garcisin has a write up about it. It's a set to align with the

Sun's path. Exactly. Let's see. It raised the Sun's rays align exactly with the lower side of the triangle at noon on the winter solstice when the Sun ascends no higher than 23 degrees in the sky at noon on the spring and autumn equinoxes. The Sun's elevation is intermediate aligning exactly with the third leg of this giant triangle statue. It's pretty cool. I want to check that out. Is it in Manhattan? Oh, it's in the McGraw Hill building plaza.

Wow, big book publisher plaza statue. Yeah, that's a New York New York Maxwell's operation, right? McGraw Hill. Yeah, the educator publisher. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah, isn't that yeah. McGraw Hill, Robert Maxwell. Right? Yes. Robert Maxwell. Yeah, that's that's what I was thinking of. His name is Kasey. Oh, good catch. Good catch. Yeah. Small fucking world, man. I want to I want a cookie. I think you've earned yourself a cookie in a shot. Yes, I could go take a shot of straight vodka.

That would be interesting. Well, that's what the Russians do. They seem to be very happy with it. Well, I think it's about time to do a voicemail and then hit some intermission. Are you in?

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And love it, love it, love it, love it, love it Welcome back to second, second half of Behind the Scenes for episode 162 And I just got to say It's a great time to be a cod-podcaster It is a great time to be a cod-paster And it is July 24th, 2023 Currently, episode 162, as you just said It's almost 9.30 here on the Bureff Coast, 9.30pm Which means it's about 11.30pm Central And 12.30am midnight 30pm over there on the sewer coast Nick the Rat time Yes, and speaking of Nick the Rat

We are still going to be in the sewer This coming Wednesday That's right We're going to be in the sewer with Nick the Rat You can find it, NicktheRat.com We'll be going on at 11 o'clock Eastern, so that's 8 o'clock Western, 10 o'clock Central time On Wednesday night Be in the sewer Nick, very excited Very excited And lavish and I discussed this on the back channel I think the plan is we're going to load up a couple of goats Maybe grab the road case for the Gimp

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It's part of the solution yes unlike all those big winters up in Minnesota I want to live in the fucking dome stupid stupid anti utopians Oh gosh no wonder we're at where we're at if you just wore the mask I mean if you just got under the dome Never mind doesn't matter also lastly coming in but certainly not leastly is weirdo That wacky tacky son of a gun who we bold with in Uranus He has a plus plus tattoo that's a fantastic idea and he has a donation of three dollars 33 cents

Thank you thank you weirdo yeah this weirdo showed me a picture of this tattoo He did the first plus and his son came in did the second plus on his I believe it was his left hand And it was in in in relation to the plus plus karma that you can give on zero note in the IRC And it's just I think it's a beautiful idea and I want to do that too Yes like service says get get your cult tattoo it is a cult tattoo We somehow karma has become so important in all of our lives giving it receiving it

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This is what people want this is what people need This was a I just want to say all around thank you everybody for participating in this cacophony And it's definitely one of the highlights of the week easily I literally wait all week I look forward all week too And I can't like tell this to people who don't listen to the show I can't tell this to all people Yeah I wait every Monday to hear a dozen goats mercilessly slaughtered We broadcast it on air

It's having this conversation earlier and it's like oh should we should we do like a I guess like a patreon setup What we do like a bonus talk I was like why why do a bonus talk when you can just open it up to slaughter right here on the floor Just give yourself to it commit to the slaughter it's an open garden baby Yeah the only one stopping you is you And the goats couldn't stop pitar 13 of them couldn't stop them actually they never can they never can

Pitar comes in and does what he does best you eviscerates those poor little bastards they line up for it They fucking line it they know what's coming they see him and they line up yeah Skirt it over with one by one they'll take the tumble game over boys pop in the chop line I'll teach you get birthed as a goat And that's the way she goes Fuck him we didn't need those goats anyways there's 13 more for the pile that's right 13 more for the fucking pile

And I know they're roasted goat already I was kind of talking with cotton gin about this earlier based off of some of the animated gifts that I was playing with over the week I now wonder if it's possible to send some sort of like time code feed or some sort of mini trigger that isobot is listening to after the fact and that's the one that takes over for the split kit fire and off the life chapters it could be interesting to use the isobot to fire the goat gifts that we use in the chat

You're gonna turn gal into Alexa 2.0 It's constantly listening to bring things any old fucking thing oh my god well sir sir seats it turns out he's got have you heard or did you hear him discuss his new shot collar Yes, yes, sir seats it has finally had somebody provide him a shot collar the chucks and every time he says the word like he can set it up for anywhere that's the really phenomenal part But it really science has not gone far enough deeper you go a little deeper than that science

But it's it can also be used to fire sound effects or isos on its own based off of words so like as an example if we wanted to set up a hey gal type Trigger you know there could be gal talkbacks firing I don't know it's a it's a lot of weird stuff weird stuff to try is a lot of avenues to go down also undiscovered avenues Let's see what the big deal is all about I've never been one to step back from an experiment for the show oh yeah which you go in the dome Adam

Get in the dome get into the dome we do have a couple of other boost to sort of to read out that came in from earlier within the week I think did you think bully steed for sending in the pen I did not thank you I've been playing with it all night in my hand this is a big magnetism we waited pin that bully seats and does a birthday gift

It's really nice it's very nice and I've been making all sorts of clean chapter titles for tonight this is a beautiful I'm gonna take a picture of this now that's a producer right there I'm gonna take a damn bully steed Yes and she she had a note associated with it in that note said dear moth man here is a jutter or peen

Here's a jutter or a pen to record all this excellent ideas of yours sincerely bully steed I love it thank you very much bully steed yes very kind thank you bully steed also known as boosty steed Lucy steed pop and boost shirts that's right Seek him take a picture and oh yeah we'll post a pic and then we'll splice onto these boosted grounds yeah check that out you like that you like that so clean so crisp some boost that came through

Thank you again here in essay for the 33333 sats through carry or excuse me through founts and then 88 88 from bully steed through founts and saying gimp says no denim in summer roasted him Yeah well I'm surprised you let the gimp have a say it all I think it was rhetorical it was ironic Yeah irony you may call me mistress clip custodian was letting us know that he is always a good boy through carry or castor boosts in the live item that was 12345 I am a good boy

Oh thank you Mr. Jones and then I saw a bunch of pre show boost coming through through fountain the first one was from dag 32 32 saying happy birthday boobs Happy birthday. Yeah it's coming up being a couple days. Yep it'll be this Friday actually who who it gets some plans probably not and here's why that's a good thing Nine out of 10 tennis agreement don't go out anyway I don't know my go to play games at an arcade bar or something

That sounds great. Yeah something something load lead lead lead back and chill 9999 from the in a millennial happy birthday mad money moth man I'm sending light bright a grapefruit and instructional video as your gifts well in a millennial you'll have to let me know how that goes But there's a nom there's a way hmm sure that you're familiar with the grapefruit technique lavish grapefruit oh you mean like with acid no not necessarily

I can't believe I don't have this saved at this point what what is wrong with me original grapefruit lady technique here we go Now Toria Seekers or something here's no idea and what you're going to do is be a woman of your word now you have to get his penis erect so what you're going to do is just suck his dick that's like you said you were going to do

once he's nice and erect what you're going to do is replace the grapefruit from your mouth you're going to twist up and down his share inside the head at the same time that's the grapefruit technique so what you're telling me is that go on I think I get it I get it I'm a rest in peace speaker listeners I can fix that you're not some viable advice but that's all right it's a late night show my oh my God I think grapefruit is going to be flying off the shelves this week

there's a whole process here the microwave it and cut the cut the ends off and and core a whole lot of it it's very involved they're out here microwave and grape fruits I understand I understand Hello oh it's professor Ted from the grave for you huh nobody would hate that more and I say that from the bottom of my heart poor professor Ted is rolling his grave his lead in case grave he's he's probably in hell entrapped in a circle of grapefruit right now you better believe he is at the

tag guy is having a peanut collada and hell right now as we speak on the tail end of a tiktok stinger yep always warm 69 69 from Spencer through fountains saying birthday week better undress appropriately hashtag birthday suit booze hashtag birthday suit boobs that's right the moth man needs no good reason you will shed yeah fuck these clothes yeah we have 32 32 from Mary Kate ultra saying birthberry I shall now attempt to reenact the event and now for my next trick

I shall play my mother my mother is a good woman we had 32 32 from Dame Delorean through fountains say and boobles birthday week boost that's right the wonderful the grid Delorean from bowl after bowl and then 32 32 from bully seed saying happy birthday week moth man bird sorry balloon emoji cake emoji party emoji I'll be in person for the next one oh look at that in writing oh I mean this is technically it's in a record it's in a TLV record oh wait it isn't raining now oh my god oh my

goodness that's awesome what a what a what a what a threat sounds like a win in my book I'm momentarily positive recording I'd uh because I was an asshole I'm sorry uh do you finger slip yeah I went to go open something in it did something I didn't want it to do it happens uh 4200 sats from lavish saying Terry lives on you were boosting the the Terry Davis dance and gif uh that I guess I was I was boosting your gif I was I was very much enjoying it

absolute classic the Terry dance I believe I showed you the Terry dance you absolutely did it's uh it's something that should be shared with the world it's an absolute classic yes to banger and it's at some point I the the intention is to be able to pull up that episode item that features Terry dancing and we can play it here live on the stream in the video in the audio syncs up but it still be a podcast without a technical video stream somehow what we're

gonna do it yeah I'd love it I love it uh there was actually a couple of boosts that came through cotton gin maricate ultra sir Spencer all boosts in that uh Spencer said okay this looks pretty fucking tight and fountain maricate ultra what Spencer said cotton gin's throwing down a couple of dance emojis mm-hmm and then one two three four five booleys tea does a good boy too boosts in through fountain fascinating discussion women of mystery van hoiton tight intermission loved it

oh thank you uh and b and it was a good uh intermission last week we had 1000 sats from our our Davis 87 I think uh lavish now we know your secret how you learned to lure women so well oh my god oh Jesus hold on now more women thank you and the mothman for your courage well thank you for your courage sir I believe you send one before that as well of the same value but had a typo in it or something uh the scheme is real gentlemen lavish now we know how

you learned to lower the ladies so well I prefer lower the ladies to lower the ladies come on now thank you and the mothman for your courage well thank you once again sir and that catches uh that catches us up well thank you everybody uh as we said before this is a value for value production so without people coming in and and producing the show it doesn't exist uh if you enjoy the show even if you're so much is listening to it really you're a producer

but if you do want to contribute to the show it doesn't have to be with money you can do it with art or music or even conversations or ideas if you if you have something in mind that you'd like for us to explore to talk about if you think blueberry would be particularly good at talking about whatever x then uh go ahead and send us an email how you can get them at booid behind the schemes dot com or lavish it behind the schemes dot com and uh we'd love to hear from you

but uh speaking of x have you heard the news have you heard this have you seen this uh i did get a taste of this earlier today now are you not the biggest twitter guy in the world but

we do have a behind the schemes twitter page and you do you do you have been diligent about posting the episodes on the twitter as well yes uh engagement engagement is very minimal though it is it's not the most you know it's not something that we're always focusing on but uh the company itself is is been a very interesting thing to observe for the past year or two ever since Elon Musk bought it uh for the exorbitant sum of 44 billion dollars um or also known as uh 54

uh dollars and 20 cents a share took it off the public his twitter used to be a publicly traded

company now it is a private company owned solely by a mr. Elon Musk so it's all in his pocket it's his baby it's his company and he's been very vocal about telling people that it is his company and that he's running things he's changing things he's purged a lot of the old uh staff and brought in new people uh but up until now twitter has retained its core identity it still was called twitter it had the bird but now as of today Elon Musk has officially changed the name of twitter to ex

the letter ex uh good job Elon it's great work nailed it no one has ever before called their company the ex corporation good for you um twitter what what what is now ex corporation what uh what a domain ex.com ex.com that's that's a savage clutch now he had a redirect going today but I guess there was some sort of uh syntax error with it there was a period out of place or something so when you went to ex.com it would redirect to twitter in theory but if you tried doing it it

would actually crash in that work so it's made it even more funny think of how many blogs are going to have to go out there and update all of the twitter icons to exes on their pages for their social shares it uh it goes on and on it's it's quite a resounding reverberating thing to to ripple throughout wait is it called ex spaces now ex spaces yeah like twitter spaces like the new spaces it's called ex spaces probably ex.paces ex.paces

and he moved his headquarters to Texas so are all his exes living in Texas now uh sorry anyway uh we have I wish I had I had like a DJ console to be like ex ex in space ex in space space ex oh oh are we seeing wow this guy obviously likes ex he likes sex uh one of his Tesla's is a model ex ex he wanted it to be s ex the three original models but uh the e was uh not was not available so he made it a three instead so he's got an s a three and an x models and people think people

speculate and I think it's true that when Elon offered $54 and 20 cents a share to buy twitter it was basically a 420 joke the the the public price at that time was in the 50s and so he just did a 50 plus 420 and uh and that's what he ended up paying for it and in hindsight it seems like a lot of dough uh we'll play the first club here to kind of wrap our minds around the the news today uh please play ex one twitter signature bird logo was starting to fly away

CEO Elon Musk made the surprise announcement yesterday and when you get on the social media website this morning you'll probably see that giant x that I see right there around two o'clock this morning the x it was lit up on the side of the building at twitter's headquarters here in San Francisco Musk has been tweeting about the changes for a couple of days and has repeatedly used the letter x in company names back in April twitter ink changed its company name to x core

well the company CEO Linda Jacarino said that the new x will connect people in ways they never imagined and for the time being you'll just have to imagine because as for what happens next for twitter I guess time will certainly tell is he gonna keep it as a hugely influential social media company or does he want to do something else and that will be I think really the key question he's facing for the next few months as he's kind of rolling this out

seems like maximum just let's just do it for the fuck of it that's his whole mo and that is what that's the horse that that man rode in on and it's been very successful for him Elon Musk has succeeded in certain industries that were deemed impossible to succeed in at this time at this juncture in history rocket tree nobody goes in and makes a space technology company overnight you know getting into the automobile industry

all these things that he's done he's done with just a blatant disregard of criticism and goes into it and makes it work through fucking sheer willpower and focus and just believing in himself and with this twitter situation he's kind of forced himself into a corner because he's done all these sort of other things these industrial things but he in media it's kind of a different animal for him but it is a classic path that I think a lot of industrialists go down they

succeed in this in some way in automobiles in the back of the day with steel or the rail or and once you got to a certain level of wealth and influence then you would get into media and you start buying newspapers William Randolph Hurst and the Hurst family comes to mind it's only natural it's the natural progression of things for whatever reason you want influence you want power your board whatever but or you want to dismantle opposition a lot of the times these newspapers are

the ones criticizing these great men and so what they do is they buy their own damn newspaper that doesn't talk shit on them all day I will crush you personally with my philanthropy exactly exactly that has been the American way now since the industrial revolution in probably far beyond but in this sense twitter was not like all the other tech companies it's a very very thin line that these guys you know it's it's thin ice that these guys are treading on

the tech industry has always been very fickle and these great companies with these massive evaluations historically have been shown you know that little shutter overnight these great big companies and in the way that twitter is going just reminded me a lot of the of the motions of the dot com bubble and crash of the late 90s and early 2000s which is something that I was alive for I wasn't very old I was you know nine 10 years old when the heat of it was going on but I I was alive for it and I

and I lived in the area and my dad worked for a lot of these companies as contractor and he was personally involved in a lot of these these startups that that comprise the dot com rise and fall and the the beginning of the internet company and the beginning of the internet as a as a consumer product is before then it was just used for military purposes and then for research purposes and then a bunch of nerds got on there and started posting on bullets and boards yeah and then you get

to forums and then what the real thing is what they really credit bringing mass popularity to the internet was the invention of the browser and of being able to have both images and text on the screen at the same time and and using that in an effective way with these interconnecting networks and and there were the people that were on the ground floor of that they made off like bandits but before we go on to that I will want to bring up some stuff with twitter before we go back in time

system lawsuits because everybody's got lawsuits if you're if you're at that Elon Musk level then you eat lawsuits for breakfast you know you got these guys on retainer you might as well use them yeah might as well stop over at lawsuit house and get yourself the grain slam it's like a cafeteria style spot you know you just go from thing to thing you put whatever you want on your plate little severance pay lawsuit please please introduce me to the shield maiden at

lawsuit house you know that girl at lawsuit house yeah I don't know I think she's really cute I don't know it's the thing I've parked in to her she's just nice to you because she's a waitress I know but gosh I just wanted to try fuck man she's not a joke you'd go down I got her your legs it turned gold in the sun oh man I found it a couple of the losses they're a bunch of lawsuits I was it was comical one was about severance pay I put a link for that in the show notes

osu.sqwerer.substek.com you thoroughly purged his fucking work for a sector acquisition he went in there and basically where the paintball gun and started like shooting people get the fuck out of here you're done you're done you're done you're cool you're done well what percentage of the I had to go yeah what was the percentage of people lit off this quite a big chunk right it was quite at least half if not more than half of like that week like he walked into the building

and he fired half the building on the spot was fascinating and got to work and he fired a bunch of people that he's like who are you why do you work here you don't do anything for me get out of here and then he fired all the Spooks or so he says a couple of Spooks in there they get rid of it I'll let you legend has it allegedly in my ex craft yeah ex craft sorry ex craft and servo's right what is the new name for a tweet is he going to be a zete an exer an excerpt there you go

osu.sqwerer's got some info for us here 70% damn according to mashable.com my man that's fired 70% at least of twitter that's awesome oh my god it's awesome I don't care what you say that's just that's just funny and he ravaged him you he just oh massacre he's like the gangus con of the tech world squint and then beheaded everybody because he could hey for 44 billion you know you know you get what you get what you pay for you get what you fucking deserve

and we've talked by the way before we're getting to the lawsuit stuff some more about what musk what are what are ideas of musk what ideas musk must have for twitter which is and it's been talking about a no agenda as well that they essentially want to make he wants to make an American version of we chat yeah you can you know you know we chat is it's a it's a text based platform where you can send and receive messages but it also acts as a payment platform allowing you to send payments

and pay bills and whatnot yep so it's kind of your from what I understand very lame and understanding it's kind of your one-stop shop all for all of your sort of social interaction needs yeah it's it's social media on steroids it's it's your it's your it's your phone app with a bank and twitter if Facebook and Venmo and Twitter had a had a baby he would be wechat developed by 10cent and you know definitely in the pocket of the Chinese government

which is I think part of the success of that platform is that everything is so integrated with the with the party probably given the green light from the get go from the party in a lot of ways that a lot of the early tech businesses were given a green light by the the CIA through in Qtell but it's sort of a loser affiliation factions here whereas there it's just you know you know lateral even at the middle management level the money may be controlled by the by small group of people

here but middle management's all over the blue so that's the idea that Elon has for Twitter as we understand it and he's gone on and he said that he said as much in interviews he doesn't really hide it very well there's another lawsuit that he's suing the law firm that Twitter hired to hold Musk to the obligation of purchasing the company when Musk said that he would buy it at 54 or 20 a share there came a time where he basically tried to back out I think he still wanted to buy

Twitter but he just wanted to change the cost he wanted to buy it at a cheaper figure and Twitter figured out how to hold his feet to the fire and to go through with the obligation forced him to buy the the company and the law firm was paid $90 million for their troubles and because Elon Musk now is Twitter he wants that back he wants to take back the money that they came using we'll play the clip clip 2 now apparently Musk is still smarting from the time that he

was forced to honor his deal to buy Twitter for $44 billion so now he has filed a lawsuit against the law firm of Wachtel lipped in Rosen and Katz the law firm which represented Twitter when the old owners sued Musk to follow through with the sale Wachtel charged Twitter $90 million to facilitate the deal that eventually led to Musk taking Twitter private now the old Twitter board paid $84 million right as the deal closed literally 10 minutes before the company turned over to Musk

and now Elon would like all of that money back please now to review this was a sale between a public company and individual who intended to take the company private Musk offered Twitter a share price of $54 in 20 cents per share and Twitter's board accepted the deal Musk then tried to back out the deal for reasons relating to him being a huge idiot and essentially Musk failed to do his due diligence before making the offer and later realized that his offer was way too high or maybe

dawn on him that trying to make Twitter profitable was going to require a lot more than just shit posting on Twitter so we tried to get out of it now Wachtel wasn't Twitter's original law firm for the sale but when Musk said that the deal was dead and tried to back out Twitter turned to this law firm which has a reputation as one of the world's top law firm specializing in mergers and acquisition Wachtel probably sued Musk in the Delaware Court of Chancere and he

backed down without even getting a discount on the original sale price basically they spanked him. Now right before the deal closed Twitter paid the law firm $90 million in success fees. Elon Musk believes that this is unjust enrichment and the firm should give most of that back to Twitter which he now owns. That's right seems like there's a lot of clad back going on. Yeah it's all shasty weird moves. Well I'm Twitter now and I want a refund.

It's very funny the lives of these people and that's why they have an army of lawyers to do all this weird shit. Courtroom Magic Man. That's what the country was built on. A bunch of thieves and fipers. I'll tell you what the three things this country was built on. The lawyers guns and money. That's correct.

One of these days will do maybe for president state and ex-presidents state. We'll go one by one through how each founding father had a wonderful stake and what was to come and how the independence benefited them directly. Well you got to have something to fight for. You either fight for yourself or you fight for a mission dammit. Something greater than yourself and that's money sometimes. Or lawyers. Or guns. So before all of this before there were these Twitter's and these

Googles and all of this stuff. There was a time not too long ago where people didn't do the internet man. They weren't online. Let's go back in time. Do we have a go back in time? Sound effect. I don't know off the top of my head. Time warp. No. Back in time. Maybe the dungeon transition music. No, no, I mean the Böylee, the next level.

Oh, right people. We are back in 1993. Too many dungeons to keep track of. We got a lot of dungeons. You know. And they all get used. This is. Feels good too. There's no empty real estate. Underneath this at all. So stop writing us. We're fucking full. I know my below ground rights. If it's under the ground, it's not part of the state jurisdiction because it's below the state. I don't need a permit for out of the ground. Maritime law. Papers.

I mean those things we smoke. You got to get off my property buddy before I put a hole in you there buddy. All right. I don't care if you're with the DE. What's up? Get out of here. Oh goodness. All right. 19. That year is. Wait. 19. That year. Only 2.3% of the US population are online. The floppy disk is king and the internet is brand new. Federal rates are the lowest they've been in almost 30 years and money is cheap.

So as we said before, dot com bubble as they now call it, allegedly kicked off with the development of the web browser. And the first well-known web browser was called the mosaic. You heard of the mosaic? It's striking some familiar-arity chords. Well, the mosaic and I'll forgive you for not knowing. It was a long time ago and I needed to brush up on all this stuff. But it was designed on the X window system, aka the X11.

At the University of Illinois, the X window system was a Unix-like system that was in house at the University of Illinois. In fact, let's just play the clip here. We'll play X3 browser and mosaic. Time for another word from the cringely glossary of geek. This word is browser. It doesn't sound like much. Kind of a laid-back word, but there's nothing relaxed about the browser because it changed the face of the internet. Here's how the internet looked in the 1980s. Lists of text.

This is Stanford University, but you'd hardly know it from looking. It's not very user-friendly. It's actually hard to find what you want. And frankly, it was mainly a tool for nerds. And then came this, an attractive, easy-to-use shop window, a gateway to the riches of the internet. This is a browser. And just as the Mac made a PC into a computer my mother could love, the browser opened up the internet to everyone.

It was not at Stanford, but on a Midwestern campus that the second great innovation of 90s internet technology took place. Here a bright kid named Mark Andreessen was earning minimum wage at nights, writing code in a supercomputer center at the University of Illinois. His prototype browser was a piece of software called Mosaic. We ended up sort of in the middle of the night starting this project that we called Mosaic. What we were trying to do was just put sort of a

human face on the internet. The internet at that point was a tool for researchers and scientists. For years Bill Joy had been telling me that someday we'd back at 21-year-old kid who would write software that would change the world and lo and behold sitting in my office this is 23-year-old. Not a kid. I mean he's a very mature, the hulking, young, executive. And Mark said the software is going to change everything. Putting a human face on like a mask or like a literal human face

like a sit-in-it face. I'm sure someone eventually did that. It's not unfortunate, but it's as simple as putting images with text. It's like the example they show is the University of Illinois and they have a picture of the campus and they have a little blurb underneath the picture about the campus. It's as simple as that. Somebody had to figure out how to make that work. And once they did you had something that normal people could actually use and enjoy.

Even grandma could use it. Even grandma could use it. And from that point on it was a race to see who would build the best browser and the best operating system, in-house operating system with which two hosts that browser. It looks like there's still a GitHub repo from a Zaykop. Oh, you may believe it. Nice. I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, it didn't really go away. Ultimately, it became Mozilla. And the same people that created Mozilla essentially laid the

groundwork for Mozilla Firefox. And a lot of the protocols just went into that. So it still exists just in a different form and a more sophisticated form. Every changing. Yes, yes. But the groundwork was laid by a couple of engineers, a couple of young guys. I forget what the guy said. He called him Husky or something. It got a little weird at the end there. Him describing the guy. But the two guys that led the team that developed Mozilla were Mark and Dreson and Eric

Baina or Baina. Not to be confused with the guy who played the Hulk. All right. That was that guy. The original Hulk live action TV series one. Yeah, you know, he's an actor. He was around. His name escapes me at the moment now. Also, the original original guy. One of the many modern Hulks that played it or whatever. I was looking for the, okay, so the Mozilla was developed for the national at the National Center for Computing Applications and CSA.

Very, very close to NSA. NSA, what? Over at the University of Illinois. Probably some sort of military application over at the University of Illinois. So they build this system of Mark and Dreson and Eric Baina, Eric Baina. And they become sort of well known in these tech circles. And they found a company with another guy kind of brings them in and funds them. A company called Netscape. You heard of this? Yeah. Have you seen this? I know Netscape.

We have an episode I believe somewhere called Netscape. Where we reference this very company. And for anybody who was not alive at the time, when I remember, Netscape was a big time company. Before Microsoft, well, I mean, Microsoft was around. But it was it was it's considered the first major internet-based company. And one of the most successful of its time at the time. It was arguably the fastest growing company in American history.

It builds off of the power of the browser. If you could please play X4. And Wozek plus the web then finally gave us a way to express to the non-technical person. What all of us in computing knew was the tremendous value of having networks interconnected. And now everyone's a webhead and everyone's excited about the web. Those ideas would have been present for 20 years. But it took a killer application. Clearly Wozek.

Mark's Mosaic browsers spread across the internet like wildfire. It brought him to the attention of an X Stanford professor who had already made millions from one startup and felt like doing another. Jim Clark. I said, look, if you can recruit all of the guys, every single guy who helped you write that program, then I'll put my own money in it and we'll just start a company and figure out some way to make a business out of it. And that's exactly what we did. I put $3 million

in. We flew out to University of Illinois four days later, signed them all up. After a brief tussle with Illinois over the Mosaic name, Jim and Mark's new company became Netscape. Their product was a Mosaic Killer Navigator. Jim's plan for the company was well minimalist. So my attitude was if 25 million people are on the net today, one million of them are using Mosaic. This was burned mine April 94. And we can displace Mosaic. There's 24 more million people

who would like a product like this, presumably. And the market, the size of the net was doubling roughly every year and a half. So I'm in by the time we had our products in the marketplace, it would be 50 million people. Since you got to be able to make money with 50 million people. Using your product. And that was that was the sum total of the business plan at that time. Yeah, very simple. Simple plan. That's where they fucked up. They were trying to make money off of it.

Well, they did make money. I mean, of course, that's the that's the vehicle, the whole thing. But who was who was Netscape ultimately uh, vested by? Uh, ultimately it was it was bought up by AOL, AOL acquired it, but Netscape's true uh, kryptonite was when Microsoft made internet explorer. And then Google and Yahoo and all the other

browsers. I mean, there it was it's called the browser wars. And there was a period of time where that you know, was so important that entire companies were made and broken just on the browser. Google, for example, is you know, entirely exists because it was a victor in those browser wars. But uh, that came a little later immediately in the mid 90s between 93 and 95, uh, Netscape and internet explorer were the big ones. And the guys at Netscape go on to say that

really was Microsoft that that was the the competition that they couldn't best. And so I think it was in early 2000s, I believe that Netscape was bought up by AOL. Indeed, indeed. But they made a lot of money in the first place. Netscape before in its time, you know, just printed money. And there are a lot of guys that worked at Netscape that would go on to become very

important in their own right, including of course, Mac, Mark and Dreson, the founder. He ended up going on to become one of the most important angel investors in Silicon Valley history, invested in an insane amount of companies that you've heard of. Um, and then also, uh, Brendan Eich who worked at Netscape who's an early employee. He created JavaScript. And uh, he headed the Mozilla project and he's now the CEO of Brave. So obviously a very important figure in the browser world.

And uh, you also have another guy, Lou Montoulli who worked for Netscape who created HTTP cookies. Oh, a cookie. That's right. He's the cookie monster. So you got the, you got the Java devil, the cookie monster. Yeah. Some of the worst shit that's ever been unleashed on humanity came from Netscape. Who knew? Who knew? We got private browsing in the chat. She knows all about browsers. We will play X5, please millions of users. Well, in about a year and a

half time we had 65 million users. Most rapidly, uh, assimilated product in history. In other words, no one had ever achieved an install base of 65 million anything. In fact, I don't know if anyone had ever achieved, achieved that kind of install base and anything except perhaps Microsoft. And beanie babies and beanie babies. Okay.

In 1994 and 1995, Netscape was known as the fastest growing company in the industry with all the requisite valley attributes, shiny, low-rise buildings, generation X workforce, and a parking lot reserved just for roller hockey. Today they're famous for the fact that they're going head to head with Microsoft. The folks at Illinois did some clever work early on.

So that's Steve Balmer of Microsoft, a former VP of Microsoft coming in and he's going to talk about Netscape and be very animated about it and very condescending in a very funny way. Is is he the really sweaty guy? Yeah, he's the guy. He's the really sweaty, big bald guy. And then you know from episode 115 art where we're doing the Bill Gates dance, the windows 95 release party. Yeah, that's him. He's the guy who's just fucking dancing his ass off. He is that guy. He's

that guy. Nice. He's one of the most colorful characters in tech history. A superstar from Microsoft, Steve Balmer. And he has some words to say on Netscape if you'll please play X6, Microsoft, punched us in the face. Now that happened to include Andreson and Netscape got formed, but there was some clever work done at Illinois. There's always going to be some clever work done someplace that's not here. Hopefully there's a lot of clever work done here too, but there's always

going to be some clever work done someplace else. And number two, we had a big thing we had to get done called windows 95. And while we managed to get a browser done and built in because we weren't asleep, it didn't get the same kind of passionate forward 100% focus that we love to give things because we had a lot of that focus already into doing the basic job of windows 95. And so a little bit of cleverness and a little bit of sort of other priority was all it took to create a window.

That's how dynamic and competitive this industry is in which Netscape emerged. We also were making money on it. You know, our first full, but your business was $75 million in revenue. And the next year was $375 million. We were until Microsoft kind of came in and punched us in the face. We were the fastest growing company in history. But you just made a window. Just made a window no matter what they're always pushing their shit. It's just a simple gooey.

I don't see the big deal is. That's their whole thing. That was pretty clever, I guess. We only tried to fucking steal it and buy it out and copy it in every way, shape and form. It was only our main competition in the early days. But yeah, okay, we'll give them credit. They're okay. Yeah. And windows 95 and windows 98 came in and those are considered two of the greatest operating systems of all time. And Microsoft went on from there.

Netscape unfortunately couldn't compete. But it didn't matter because it was part of a first round, if you will, a first iteration of the tech industry, which really was never designed or meant to last. You know what I mean? It was run by a bunch of people that had bigger ideas than they had experience or a real business model. A real shoot from the hip style. A real shoot from the hip style indeed. Fast and loose. That's right. So few people in today's tech industry are like that.

Shoot from the hip. Let's see where this goes. But the fate of Netscape is tied very much to the whole process of the dot com boom and crash. I'll read here from the wiki on the matter. While some entrepreneurs had experience in business and economics, the majority were simply

people with ideas. They did not manage the capital and for influx, prudently. Additionally, many dot com business plans were predicated on the assumption that by using the internet, they would bypass the distribution channels of existing businesses and not have to compete with them. But once established businesses with strong existing brands developed their own internet presence,

these hopes were shattered. And the newcomers were left attempting to break into markets dominated by larger, more established businesses and many did not have the ability to do so. I also want to share one anecdote from my father who worked in the construction industry during this time. And he says that he would renovate spaces for these guys. We're a general contract. We renovate commercial spaces in San Francisco and in Oakland. And we would renovate

these office spaces for these startups that we're coming through. Let's say like you know, pets dot com or eplants dot com. You know, you want to buy plants. Now you can buy them on the internet. Yeah, because we got the domain. That's right. We've got the domain. We have the idea all the other plants companies and whoever you would buy your plants from otherwise, they don't have a website. We have a website. And if you have the internet, you can go on and you can go to our

website, eplants dot com and we'll send you the plants. And there's that symbol. It was just the novelty of the internet. My dad would go and he would fix up these office spaces for them and then he'd go and ticket paid. And the guys that were supposed to pay him would go, well, you know, we don't have

a lot of capital right now, but we'll give you stock options. You're like, uh, well, so I'm not going to say whether he did or didn't accept in some instances, but that was how Silicon Valley was operating at that time, which of course would be unheard of now for you to go to Google and renovate an office space for them and for them to go, well, we can't pay you, but we'll give you Google stock. You're taking extra one for your kid. Yeah, yeah, here you go. So that's what eplants dot com was

doing back in 1999. And it was it was a real wild west time. And there were a whole lot of rules. I have, quote from Fred Wilson from his 2015 book, boom, bust history financial bubbles. Uh, Patrick Cavill is Fred Wilson who funded many dot com companies and lost 90% of his net worth when the bubble burst. Uh, he says, fucking awesome. Wall Street bets legend. Absolutely obliterated. I hope to lose 90% of my net worth sometime. It's a lot of just kidding. Oh gosh. Oh god, please.

So he says this, a friend of mine has a great line. He says, nothing important has ever been built without irrational exuberance. Meaning that you need this sort of mania to cause investors to open up their pocketbooks and finance the building of the railroads, the automobile, the airspace

or whatever. And in this case, much of the capital invested was lost, but also much of it was invested in a very high throughput backbone for the internet and lots of software that works and databases and service structures, all of that stuff has allowed what we have today, which has changed all of our lives. That's what all of this speculative mania built. I think I have four words here that can help you conquer Silicon Valley. Are you prepared?

I'm prepared. I am the hype. That's correct. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, yes. You are the hype. How to win at Silicon Valley. There's one rule that remains that Silicon Valley shows is that companies crumble. But men do not. And recent, the founder of Netscape, even though Netscape collapsed under its

own weight, would go on to become an angel investor, considered a super angel. And he would be an early investor in such companies as Twitter, Facebook, Groupon, Zingha, Airbnb, War Square, Stripe, Lift, Point Base, Oculus, Ripple, Roblox. Oh my God. And on and on. Does he have enough fingers for all these puddings? Oh, he is the pudding now. I am the pudding. Look at me. Look at me. Wherever you see pudding, you'll see my fingers.

Look at me. I am the pudding now. I am the one with the pudding on my fingers now. Captain pudding. That's right. Zingha, not Zanga, private browsing, but Zingha, which was farmville or whatever that fucking mobile game was that was really popular for a while. Farming game on Facebook. So he just had hit after hit after hit after hit after hit. This guy is a hit machine. He personally is valued at around two billion in his company,

and Dresan Horowitz. And no, not that Horowitz, I checked. But his company in Dresan Horowitz is worth just a little under $30 billion in assets. He also, I looked into this, committed $400 million personally in equity investment towards the acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk. Wow. So he had his little fingers and that sticky little pudding too. Here comes the money. Here comes the money. So this is where I think things somewhat come

full circle. We have this guy who is there to see all of the best in the worst of the first.com and here he is backing the horse that is Elon Musk. Now what do you think this guy thinks of Elon Musk? The first word that came to mind was clown. Clown. Do you think he's a clown? Do you think he's a joke? Well, let me, can you, let me, I guess, make sure I understand what you're asking. Are you asking, what do I imagine Anderson, Anderson's opinion, what his opinion of Musk is?

Yes. And I'd also post to you what you mean by clown because clown could also mean that he's a brilliant satirist and is operating wisely outside the confines of a restrictive and hypocritical society. I think both definitions are equally applicable. Valid. Valid. Valid. Yes. Valid. Valid. Halla. Valid. Halla. We ride. Oh man. Well, you're needing to wonder anymore what

this man thinks of Elon. If you can please play X7, Mark on Elon. I mean, look, I think Elon is, I don't think I'm even a great example, but I think Elon would be a great example of this, which is like, you know, look, he's a guy who from every, every day of his life, from the day he's starting to make him money at all. He just plows in into the, into the next thing. And so I think, I think money is definitely an enabler for satisfaction. It was for this way. Money applied to happiness.

Leads people down very dark paths. Very destructive avenues. Money applied to satisfaction, I think, could be a real tool. I always lived by the way. I was like, you know, Elon is the case study for behavior with the other thing that, sorry, he's really made me think his Larry Page was asked one time what his approach to philanthropy was. And he said, oh, I'm just my philanthropic plan is just give all the money to Elon. Right. Well, let me actually ask you about Elon. What are your,

you've interacted with Fred a lot of the successful engineers and business people? What do you think is special about Elon? We talked about Steve Chow's. What, what do you think is special about him as a leader as an innovator? Yeah. So the, the core of it is he's a, he's, he's back to the future. So he is, he is doing the most leading edge things in the world, but with a really deeply old school

approach. And so to find comparisons to Elon, you need to go to like Henry Ford and Thomas Watson and Howard Hughes and Andrew Carnegie, right? Lee was Stanford. John DeRoccafeller, right? You need to go to the, what we're called the bourgeois capitalists, likely the hardcore business owner operators who basically built, you know, it does basically built industrialized society.

Vanderbilt. And it's a level of hands-on commitments and depth in the business coupled with an absolute priority towards truth and towards kind of put science and technology down to first principles that is just like absolute, just like unbelievable absolute. He really is ideal that he's only ever talking engineers like he does not tolerate, he has to tell us anybody I've ever met. He wants ground truth on every single topic.

And he runs his businesses directly day to day devoted to getting ground truth in every single topic. So you think it was a good decision from Dubai Twitter? I have developed a view in life to not second-guess Elon Musk. I know this is going to sound crazy and unfounded, but well, I mean, he's got a quite a track record. I mean, look, the car was a crazy, I mean,

the car was, I mean, look, he's done a lot of things that seemed crazy. Starting a new car company in the United States of America, the last time somebody really tried to do that was the 1950s, and it was called Tucker Automotive, and it was such a disaster. They made a movie about what a disaster it was. And then rockets, like, who does that? Like, that's, there's obviously no way to start a new rocket company like those days or over. And then to do those at the same time.

So after he pulled those two off, like, okay, fine. Like, this is one of my areas of like, I, whatever opinions I had about it, it's just like, okay, clearly, or not relevant. Like, this is you just, at some point, you just like put on the person. In general, I wish more people would lean on celebrating and supporting versus deriding and destroying. Oh, yeah. I mean, look, he drives resentment. Like, it's, like, he is a magnet for

resentment. Like his critics are the most miserable, like, resentful people in the world. Like, it's almost a perfect match of like the most idealized, you know, technologist, you know, of the century coupled with like, just his critics are just bitter as can be. It's, I mean, it's sort of very darkly comic to watch. Well, he, uh, he fused the fire of that by being an asshole on Twitter at times. And which is fascinating to watch the drama of human civilization,

given our cult roots just fully on fire. He's running your cult. You can say that very successfully. That was, uh, I was completely wrong in, in my guess. Yeah, you thought that he would, he would kind of send down to, but the exact opposite, he seems to support him entirely. He exalted him. And when Lex said you support his buying Twitter, he didn't say, yeah, I do so much. So $400 million. So I support him buying Twitter.

He, he was personally involved. I mean, he threw fucking almost half a billion dollars into that, into that hat. And it's obvious that he, that this guy thinks that Elon is this, is the second coming of John D. Rockefeller or whoever. Well, shit. She from the hip kind of guy. I guess, I guess next week, we'll start having the broadcast live at X spaces. Well, I, I don't, here's the thing about Twitter. I like what he's done with it up to a point.

But I think he's done a couple of things that were big mistakes. But, but we're not mistakes from his perspective where he's trying to make money. I think that he's turned Twitter into a, what would you call it, a pay walled garden in a way. And that is the only path that he sees on making this whole thing worth it to him is by turning it into that. But Twitter never was that. Twitter was never meant to be a paid-of-play operation. Yeah. And then with all the API shutdown.

Yeah. And that fits into it as well. So now the third party apps have to pay to play. And, that goes across a lot of social media platforms that goes for Reddit as well. It goes for a lot of thing. So the fact that that he is turning Twitter into that is to me personally a problem. And it's a way that I don't endorse platform. As much as I could, as you know, I mean, you and me are the wrong guys to talk about. Ty and our, you know, Ty and our boats onto this stock here. But,

but it's interesting to note because of the parallel to history. And it ties into a bigger picture and a bigger sort of framework of what Silicon Valley is going through. But it doesn't have the personality of Elon Musk to broadcast that. They're going to hide their flaws and they're going to circumvent all of these major failures in a lot of them dramatic in a way that Elon won't. Elon is going to embrace these faults and he's going to exploit them. He's going to use them.

And it'll be interesting to see how he operates as, as this guy says, as sort of the the Bounder kind, the guy that everybody, everybody, the smart money is backing because he hasn't failed yet. How he's going to operate with this very volatile, very paper thin company that is Twitter, that probably only existed in the first place because of plan desktion through clandestine means. Yeah, it was used for nation shakeup.

Yeah. And they obviously got paid to, you know, influence elections and censor information. Is that is that a term nation shakeup? Is there a better way to describe that? That's it. I like that. So what led to the dot com boom? What led to the rise of the internet and the first iteration of Silicon Valley? Well, I do have five points of interest, but if you'd like, I can ask you that unrotorically and you can say what you think. While I have the list here,

you know, why don't you run through it? Low interest rates. That's right. In terms of what would that be in reference to? The federal rates, which there is a link up at the top to the federal rates of the low snows 30 years as a link there to the St. Louis Fed. It's the federal funds effective rate. And it is the basic rate, which measures when banks want to lend. Okay. So the banking system simply runs in a way where the banks take money from the fed

and then lend it out. They lend from the fed at a certain interest rate. And then that interest rate dictates the rate that you would have to pay for a loan that you got from the bank. Like say a mortgage loan. So yeah, a lot of cheap loans going around. And for the last couple years, the federal rate has been close to zero if not at zero. And because of that, that reflects to us a mortgage rate you could get for say between 2.8% and 3.3% for a little while there.

And that's the bank's markup, the commercial bank's markup. But they got to create that money essentially from thin air, which is what the federal reserve does with American dollars. When they lend money to commercial banks, they essentially create it. They print that money. And then they loan it out to the bank at whatever the federal interest rate is. And at that point, it was near zero. So the banks wouldn't have to pay. They wouldn't have to pay back a big

loan. Right. Big chunk of change. Big chunk of change. At a certain point, it becomes free with the bank. The bank can go out and they can borrow as much money as they want. And as long as they can loan it at their rate, then they're going to make a book on it. And if the federal rate goes up, then everyone else's goes up as well. So you had a point there at the beginning of the .com boom in 93 specifically where interest rates were at their lowest since the 70s. You had

way less regulation than now. It was the Wild West. You had a free flow of information. You had the beginning of the open source movement or the free software movement through Unix and Linux and all of that. You have a relatively level playing field. All of the major players that would come later weren't as major then. The Microsoft's and the Apple's and the Google's. They're all still small.

And all of the major companies that would competed that level that Google can now like Xerox or IBM didn't have the innovation, didn't have the young people in charge to see that coming. So you had a very level playing field. And you had a bunch of people that weren't yet on the internet. So you had this massive projected growth where right now only 5% of people are on the internet. Imagine how much money we're

making when 10% 50% 90% of people have it. So you have that to rely on. And that was a huge proponent of it was the potential for growth. And then you had the relative affordability of basic materials and computers. And you could make say an Apple 2 back in the 80s for $2,000. You could make a personal computer for $2,000 to $3,000. And that was okay for somebody who wanted to get a personal computer. In the crash was simply just a reversible that the crash happened because

rates went back up. A lot of people blame Alan Greenspan for that. But there's a lot of debate on that. And all of the big boys started showing up. But there were a lot of anti-competitive practices. And by 2001, Microsoft was being put in an anti-trust suit for monopoly practices. Because of just how much Tom Fuckery they were going around with for years and years. But that is

kind of just the mo of Silicon Valley now. If a small company comes around and you make something great, a great product, what you really hope for is that Apple or Google or somebody will buy you at for $8 billion. And you can walk away from that billionaire. And build up to sell out. You build up to sell out. And ultimately all of the technology, all the proprietary material ends up in the hands of these few Titans. You also have a situation of everybody

having the internet now. And you have a certain plateau there where you had such an amazing amount of growth in that short period of time. But now everybody's got a computer. What are you going to do about it? There was a slight sort of reinvigoration with the invention of the iPhone. And with the invention of smartphones. But even so, it's just kind of redundant at a certain point. And then you have the collapse of the novelty of the internet. So E-plants were successful for a

number of years. And then once Home Depot and your local gardening store also got websites, well, then E-plants went the way of the dodo a lot of the time because they didn't have savvy businessmen who were able to operate in that sort of competitive climate. And wouldn't be able to otherwise even if they were just get crushed. And also the brick and mortar presence. Yeah. All the brick and mortar's caught up.

And once everybody was involved with the Amazon system and with, you know, shipping everything like that online, then those novelty businesses are useless. There's a list of companies that were affected by the crash that I have in the show notes. And you can find them there if you'd like. There's a shitload of them. But looking through all this, I was just trying to see if there are any parallels that are going on these days. We had low interest rates. Now the rates are going

back up. We have a lot of anti-competitive practices going on. The big companies are getting very clever. But it's also just a climate of, you know, this is how things work now. And it's understood. And there again is a sort of a plateau of users and usability. And the only time that there's anything that really happens in the tech space, it's when you have a new generation of people, kids coming in and finding new things interesting like TikTok, for example.

You have the rise of TikTok. I would say mostly because of young people not wanting to be on Facebook, not giving a shit about Instagram. They want their own thing. And somebody designed it for them, you know, designed something that for a generation that's tailored to a level of internet and computer usability that we aren't familiar with. And so there are a lot of things going on now

that are kind of level with the things that we're going on then. And you have a lot of the same characters in very high positions like this injuries and Bella. Yeah, but another additional 30 years of experience under the belt and huge swaths the money that you can have the ability to move around quite freely just for the fuck of it. Yeah. Or not for the fuck of it. I mean, I think that the thing that Elon has that's different from everyone else is everybody else is so calculated.

Everybody is so by the book matter of fact. And the conservatism in Silicon Valley is at an all time high because you have a bunch of whales that on top of growing their wealth, they're just trying to maintain their wealth. You know, they're just trying to not lose money at this point because they just there's so much, so many machines going on. And these guys have to stay moving like a shark in order to grow. If they stop growing, then they start dying.

And there's a lot of conservatism now in Silicon Valley that Elon Musk just does not share. He is an all or nothing guy. He doesn't care about money. He doesn't care about losing his, I mean, nobody else in Silicon Valley, Mark Zuckerberg wouldn't go up to Twitter and buy it for $44 billion. Even though he could easily afford it, he wouldn't do it because to him, that's a miscalculation. It's not worth it to him and to endure some of these guys, it would not be

worth it to anybody to do that. Only to a character like Elon Musk is a guy going to go in there and go, well, fuck you. I'm going to do it anyway just to just to see the fucking smug look on your face. You know, that sort of irrationality and that sort of drive is very rare. And it stirs up a lot of shit and it's a catalyst for some major events that could come down the way. And the event of Elon in Twitter, it's just a show. It's just a ride. Just a ride. Wild.

I saw we do have one other clip here, number eight. We do. I pulled a sort of a boner clip on, this is Mark talking about Steve Jobs. He talked about Elon and he had some of the same Steve Jobs. By the way, Servo's totally right. I was watching these clips that I'm pulling of Mark are off of the Lex Friedman show. And Lex Friedman is a terrible interview. I mean, this guy is giving him so much energy. He's got one of the all-time top dogs on this show.

And Friedman looks like he's about to fall asleep. He looks like he has a headache. His head is down and he's rubbing his forehead and he looks so tired and inconvenienced by the whole thing. I just do not understand why this guy is as big as he is. And it's not asking good questions. And Mark is just like very animated with him and is very engaged. He has 10 times more personality than this guy. This is Lex Friedman character. So 10 percent? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

When they say he's the 1 percent, that's what they mean. Lex Friedman is 1% energy level. That's sort of good. He looks like he's got Lyme disease. This is not Lex Friedman, but it's another cool and loose dude. I'm a cool dude and look, you know that. Slow Biden. Love that guy. Yeah, let's play XA. This is Mark on Steve Jobs. Now, this one's six and a half minutes. Is there a cutoff point? Wait, I mean, it is. I did not intend for it to be six minutes. Let's play two minutes of it.

Okay. And so you had a text-based web browser. Well, actually, the original browser, Tim Berners-Lee, the original browser, both the original browser and the server actually ran on next cubes. This was the computer Steve Jobs made during the interim period when he during the decade long interim period when he was not an Apple. You know, he got fired in 85. Oh, I will. Yeah, positive. I do want to make one point that this is everything that we've been talking about is

roughly between 93 and 96. That is when the heat of all this is going on. And that is considered Jobs interim period where he was with Apple and then he wasn't with Apple and he tried to make his own company next. And all of this browser stuff happened to occur in the short time that Steve Jobs was not involved with Apple. So Steve Jobs wasn't in a position really to compete in the browser wars. So anyway, he's continued. Period where he had this company called Next and they made these,

literally, these computers called cubes. And there's the famous story they were beautiful, but they were 12 inch by 12 inch by 12 inch cubes computers. And there's a famous story about how they could have cost half as much if it had been 12 by 12 by 13. But Steve was like, no, like it has to be. They were like $6,000 basically academic stations. They had the first city round drives, which were slow. I mean, the computers were all but unusable. They were so slow, but they

were beautiful. Okay, can we actually just take a tiny tangent there? Sure, of course. The 12 by 12 by 12. They're just so beautifully encapsulated Steve Jobs idea of design. Can you just comment on what you find interesting about Steve Jobs? What about that view of the world, that dogmatic pursuit of perfection in how he saw perfection in design? Yeah, so I guess they say like, look, he was a deep believer, I think in a very deep way,

I interpret it. I don't know if you ever really described it like this, but the way it interpreted is, it's like it's like this thing. It's actually a thing in philosophy. It's like aesthetics are not just appearances, aesthetics go all the way to like deep underlying, underlying meaning, right? It's like, I'm not a physicist. One thing I'm pretty sure is to say is one of the things you start to get a sense of when a theory might be correct is when it's beautiful, right? Like,

you know, they're right. And so, so there's something and you feel the same thing by the way, in like human psychology, right? You know, when you're experiencing awe, right? You know, there's like, there's like a there's a simplicity to it. When you're having an interaction with somebody, there's an aesthetic, it was like, home comes over you because you're actually being fully honest and trying to hide yourself, right? So there, so it's like this very

deep sense of aesthetics. And he would trust that judgment that he had to do down like, even if the engineering teams are saying this is, this is too difficult, even if the, whatever the finance folks are saying, this is ridiculous, the supply chain, all that kind of stuff, this makes us impossible to mature. We can't do this kind of material. This has never been done before. It's so on so forth. He just sticks by it. Well, I mean, who makes a phone out

of aluminum, right? Like, dead, you know, nobody else would have done that. And now, of course, if your phone is made out of aluminum, you know, how crude, what kind of caveman would you have to be to have a phone's made out of plastic? Like, right? So like, so it's just this very, right? And you know, look, it's, there's a thousand different ways to look at this. But one of the things, it's just like, like, these things are central to your lives, like you're with your phone more than

you're with anything else. Like it's in your, it's going to be in your, I mean, he, you know, this, he thought very deeply about what it meant for something to be in your handle all day long. Yeah. Well, for example, he, he, he, he, here's an interesting design. He, he never wanted, it's my understanding is he never wanted an iPhone to have a screen larger than you could reach with your thumb one handed. And so he was actually opposed to the idea of making the phones larger.

And I don't know if you have this experience today, but let's say there are certain moments in your day when you might be like, um, only have one hand available. Um, and you might want to be on your phone. Yeah. And you're trying to wait. Yeah. We can stop there. Perfect. Trailblazer that guy that Steve Jobs. Oh, man. Single, heavily, single, evenly. One time I asked a girl if she would give me a Steve job. Oh, my, she said yes.

God. And I was thinking of the 12 by 12 by 12. That's the, that's the figure that the ancients regarded as a sacred. So the act number easily 12 months in the year. It's the ideal separation of a circle. They tried to divide the, yeah, he tried to divide the year into 12 sections, the universe into 12 sections with the zodiac. I thought that was an interesting little deal. Yeah. And then just within the hours of the day, two cubes, very, very satiny.

Yep. Yep. And they seem to have, uh, it's like some sort of importance on the complete sacred numbers. So I think Elon is doing with X, which of course is the Roman, Roman, Roman numeral for 10. The new sacred major. So Steve Jobs knew what he was doing. You wanted you to give yourself a

Steve job while you're browsing on your phone. Uh, yeah. So let's see here. That's, uh, that's really the list of parallels I wanted to make between Elon changing it to X and, and the old dot com bubble and all the characters that were from the dot com bubble that are somehow involved with this Twitter situation. A small world. And we live in it. And now I just got, uh, big multiples of money at this point to kind of throw with these projects.

Yep. Um, and you know, it sounds like uh, Andreson is in full support of, uh, stuff down on a arc. Yeah. And he's, he is one of the hidden hand of the whole thing and has, has touched all of us. I'm still trying to figure out what the Bill Gates photo here is at the end. And I just put that there as a meme. Nice. Uh, something a little different than norm, but it did feel right at the time. Nice. You know, shoot by the shoot from the hip.

Uh, am I right? Am I right? Yeah. I mean, that's, that's really the only, uh, the only option. And fucking know it. Fucking know it. Uh, no, make that big dot com go boom. Yeah. Part two electric boo-loo. Yeah. Yeah. We always like to keep up on, uh, also gun valley. I don't know if this will be a multi-parter like yours will be, but, uh, it's something to touch on. And I know that we've got a lot of tech boys in the chat. A lot of people that are very well versed in this sort of thing.

So, I apologize if we're going over redundant information that you're already aware of, but there are a lot of people out there that don't know about this stuff. And, uh, who's us? Keep an eye on history. Lest it repeat. Yeah. And I'm probably still going to approach Twitter slash X at the same rate that I always have. Regenely. Well, I'm trying to do it less because they've limited people to 600 posts if you don't pay for Twitter. Well, that's it. You can only see 600 posts a day.

Okay. This is going to be great. It's terrible. It's going to be great. We awesome. Oh, wow. Great, great work. Elon, I can solid. Make me spread those cheeks. Uh, spread those cheeks, Lauren. Uh, how about a voicemail? And then we get the hay out of here. Sounds delightful. I guess some tunes art saved up. Do you remember the big plane with the, uh, the utters on that and all that nonsense? I do. I remember.

Based to the screen skimmers, I recently came into the possession a yearbook from 1989. It's from Rolling Meadows, one state or another. I'm not sure where the hell Rolling Meadows even is. But so I, I found this, uh, like a, a dictionary, uh, encyclopedia, like a yearbook, basically, turf you laws. I want to read you the section about turf you laws. And it's kind of a ridiculous article. But anyway, okay, people, kick your parents out of the room and listen up.

This isn't your usual yearbook story. Haven't you always wanted to know how to sneak out of the house? You can always use a few more little white lies to tell your parents when you break turf you. And here really knows the turf you laws anyway. Surely not most of you. I surveyed 103 freshmen sophomores, juniors and seniors. And only three of them knew what the legal curfew for their community is. More incredible than that. Only two new deputies for being caught.

So read on most of you have to deal with curfews every day. So of course, everyone wants to know how to get out of them. You can tell us it's written by high school. I received from my survey a lot of really interesting excuses to tell mom and dad. For example, quote, I stopped and helped an elderly woman change her tire. So when I got the tire on her battery was dead and blah blah blah. Unquote. Um, but then again, elaborate lives don't work as effectively as we. Uh blah blah. Some bullshit.

Okay. So you can get over the parent problem, but there is still something else to deal with. Those men, women and blue whom you were likely to find in most donut shops. Yes, the police force. They enforce the 11 p.m. weekday and 12 o'clock midnight. We can curfew laws. Why even have curfew laws? Quote. It would be great if all parents knew where their kids were at night. But some don't. The police have to enforce the curfew laws. Unquote.

Explain the police guy. Okay. Oh great. Oh, okay. Good to you guys. You got to make yourself important. But according to Cindy Hubble, I think that if you aren't causing a problem, it shouldn't matter how they year out. It seems like cops just need something else to do besides sitting duck and doughnuts all night. Um, do not try to eat at home dressed in all black, including nail polish. I crawl through the house, climb through a screen door, a broken screen, and through the

bushes out of the yard. Okay. So these people are doing some shit like sneak past cops, you know? I mean, oh man, Bush 1988. This is, I don't know. Europe is kind of a trip. I just wanted to read that dumb shit to you and hopefully you guys do it. Have a good night. I don't have a screen for you. I can go. Oh, no. That's pretty good. I like that. Nice little punchy screen there at the end. Yeah. So you didn't have a screen when you had

a perfectly good screen for us. Well, it starts a grubby way so evade curfew. I like, I like dressing in all black and sneaking through the screen door that we can blend in with the shadows at night. That's what thief taught me, the game I was talking about. Oh yeah. Just dressing all black and you stick to the shadows. It's amazing. People don't see you until it's too late. They'll never catch us. Collar. That's right. They can't catch us if they're knocked out. Whoa.

What? Huh? Wow. A yearbook from 1988. It's pretty cool. I like that. It's interesting that they were allowed to get allowed to publish all of those curfew evading notes in the book. I imagine that's something that high schools would clamp down on more these days, but who knows? Nothing high schools clamp down on anything these days except maybe Chenetilia. Oh my god. Oh man. Well, I think that's a that was our last screenmail.

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