What We Learned From Ben Shapiro's Racist Novel

guys doing today? All right? A plus good? Right on time? Yeah, Cody is only thirty seven minutes late to record, which I have to say. Normally there is a calendar invite that tells me what time we are recording, and there was not this time, and so I did not know there was another calendar invite that said one thirty, which is what I was expecting. Cody is ready for coming, so quick quick check, Katie? Were you on time? I was on time? Hey, Robert, quick check? Were you on time? Maybe?

Here's the thing? Were I checked? Chris? Were you on time? I do normally give Cody a little reminder, and that is my fault because you are no no, no, absolutely not, absolutely no, Sophie. There's nothing woker than letting a woman take the blame for a man's I want all of our listeners to know. I did not mean that. Seriously. It was Katie and Sophie's fault. They collaborated like Barack Obama and Pete Bota. Katie called Sophie and was like, should I remind Cody? And Sophie was like no, Should

I send an email invite like I normally do? And Katie's like no, And then they laughed and laughed and laughed. I was on the email thread with them. I thought it was messed up. It's or or perhaps you fucked up. Continue Robert with your show. So, guys, you remember how last year we had a couple of fun moments where we got together as friends as as as colleagues, as comrades, and we randomly page through terrible books. How could I forget?

We learned about what an Edgregor is, which is the collective satan that the Jewish people have created with their own their own seared into my memory. That was a good one. Yeah. I remember the science book science book we read You Were the Q and on book we read We learned a lot of good information science Part Science,

Part two. Today I got a little bit of a different book because sometimes reading through random books at random points in time means I don't have to prepare as much, which can help us to get a head over here. And I love that for you and for us for our show. And today we're going to read a book called True Allegiance. Now. This has been described by the New York Times bestselling author Brad Floor as a blockbuster debut thriller ripped straight from the headlines, and its author

is a fellaw. Y'all might know old Binny Shaps my favorite. And Shapiro. Yeah, we are. We are doing the Ben Shapiro book today. This is fun because I've novelist Ben Shapira. I've been muting him more avoiding him on Twitter. So it's been a minute. You've been taking care of your mental health, and I'm ready to tarnish it right now. Just light it on fire. There's only so much room we have on our day to day. That can't have

been easy for you. It wasn't. Everything he says is wrong. Now, I wanted to talk a little bit before this about what we do when we have a book by a terrible person that I don't want to support financially, but I want to read because there's a trick and I wasn't telling people the trick before, but now, like, fuck it, what's what's the worst that could happen? The key is, The key is as far as I know, this isn't illegal.

The key is purchase the book on Kindle, right, you download it to your device, you disconnect your device from the Internet, you apply for a refund from Kindle, and then you finished doing what you're going to do in the book before you reconnected to the Internet and removes it. Great is legal to me? Actually it does sound very leegal, so a little bit, uh, a little bit of advice now true. Allegiance was a book published in two thousand

and sixteen by Postial Press. Uh and of course author Ben Shapiro and I want to read you all the Amazon description so we so you can know what we're going for here. New York Times best selling author Ben Shapiro's new novel asks how close are we to our country's collapse? And we'll be able to stop it? Once it begins? America is coming apart in a legal immigration crisis,

has broken out along America's southern border. There are race rights in Detroit, a Finmary, a fiery female rancher turned militia leaders, avowed revenge on the president for his arrogant policies, and the world's most notorious terrorist is planning a massive attack that could destroy the United States as we know it. Meanwhile, the President is too consumed by legacies seeking to see

our country's deep peril. Bret Hawthorne as the youngest general in the United States Army and he's stuck alone behind the enemy lines in Afghanistan. He's the last lost soldier of a failed war, fighting to stay alive and make it back home, but will be able to to have the collapse of America in time. It sounds like a real thriller. I have a question. Does there an audio book version of this? Oh my god, Yeah, they're yeah, it's free with your audible trial. Does he read the audible?

I have to know, because it just sounds way better than in your voice than it does in his voice, and I feel like it's it's yeah. So could you look it up? Because I'm disconnected from the internet, So I bet there's a foreword it. Oh my god, Oh my god, you guys, it's not even the foreword. You know how books will have like a praise for this book page where it has the first quote on the praise for True Allegiance page. Meet our new Iron, Rand dot Com, Salon dot com, Salon, Oh my god. Oh

it's so good. There's a culture quote. Provocative, intense, and about five minutes from becoming reality. Ben Shapiro's True Allegiance is a rivening thriller about what happens when America folds. It just sounds rooted in fact, not feeling. He's got an Allan West quote in there. That's good. That's really good, boy. And then some people that I don't recognize. Okay, so cool, we've got we're on a good It sounds like it's a good book. It sounds like it's a good book

by good people. I'm very excited for this. Yeah, okay, so it does he read it, Sophie, Oh my good gracious, that's the right side of history. That's we're doing. True Allegiance. Oh, I don't think he does. I don't think. I don't think he does. Narrated by somebody who is not Ben. That's a good call. Because you might not believe what you learn about Brigadier General Brett how and the prisident. He only cares about Obama, I mean not Obama, and

he's a he's a he's a different president. Right, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna start with I think chapter one looks like it's opening with, like, you know, we were starting with like a terrorist attack going on in New York City. Wait wait, wait what year was this? Did you say that two thousand sixteen this came out? Yeah, I would have had to. Yeah. Great, so the president obsessive legacy would be Obama, not the president. Yeah yeah, it is also obsessed with his legacy in a different way,

in a different way. All right, Oh no, it doesn't start Okay, so the first episode doesn't start with a new terror. It starts with like nine eleven. Uh. And I think the character who's going to grow up to be our our our ranch militia leader in New York at nine eleven, seeing the towers at the building. So that that seems like what we're going on with this

this prologue here. So that's good. We're kicking it off with the nine and eleven and then we move right in with chapter one to Brett Hawthorne in Afghanistan, Brigadier General Bret Hawthorne looked at his M nine magazine and cursed to himself empty. He was set up against a mud brick hovel in the city's poor part of town. Even in Kabul there was a large income gap, and felt the sweat trickle down cold between his shoulder blades.

He hadn't been alone for years. General has always had a personal security detail, but things had gone hellishly wrong. Hawthorne was a bear of a man, six three in his bare feet. And let's talk about this a minute. I've gotten criticized in the past for making fun of Ben Shapiro's shortness. And it's true that you shouldn't make fun of people for being short. Some people in this very room short, most of us, most of us, most of us except for you and myself. Yeah, I'm not tall.

I'm There are more there taller people than me in this room. There are there are, And it's fine, there's nothing nothing, It says nothing about the personage. But also, well, so here here's the other thing. For many, many, many many years, Ben Shapiro claimed that he was my actual height five eight I did, I was unaware of He is not we as we all know. Um. So it's just one of those things where, Okay, you're gonna lie about this a lot something I don't know. I don't

know I'm making that up, but I've heard that. But he's been lying about his height for years. It is funny, and it's funny that his clear self insert character Bret Hawthorne is a bear of a man, six three in his bare feet and two pounds in his underwear. So, yeah, what I'm struck by this is like, there's all these stories Ben Shapiro, Sorry, no, no, it's fine. Um uh. Ben Shapiro wanted to be a Hollywood screen run and he's film to add of that, There's just these few sentences.

I just can feel him being like this would make a great movie, you know, like he's writing it, Like those guys of Hollywood won't make it. I'll write this, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I'm also wondering as a gun guy. So the M nine is the nine millimeter Bretta side arm that was up until recently, the standard side arm of the military. It says he looks at his M nine magazine. Now there's a couple of things that that

makes me think. So, if you're actually shooting a handgun like that and it's empty, the slide locks back, and you can immediately tell that it's empty because the slide is locked back. Uh. At no point, if you're in a firefight, would you reject the magazine and look at the magazine to determine whether or not your weapon was empty? Um? And I'm not I'm not sure how Brett Hawthorne combat general.

That doesn't make any sense as an opening, Like it makes sense if he was like looked like the slide locked back of Brett Hawthorne's M nine magazine and he cursed to himself empty like that makes gun sense. I can explain this to you. Ben isn't know he's talking. Thank you for that, Katie. Um, I have to back up real quick. We're doing really well. I need you, Robert real quick to read the blurb at the beginning one more time with Iron Rand. Oh about Iron Rand. Okay,

that's the whole thing. We're scrolling back. We're scrolling back true allegiance, Meet our new Iron Randy by Salon dot Com. Okay, that's it. So here's the thing, folks. Uh, if you were to go to Salon dot com Salon dot com and you were to look for that phrase, you'd find an article. That article is called meet our New Iron Rand colon. Ben Shapiro's ham fisted propaganda fiction is even

worse than you guessed. Subheader the wingnut pundit resents the liberal tone of TV but turns out cartoonish, right lenning prose unreal? Thank you for looking up? That is that lead of somebody's can you can do whatever you want? It's amazing. It's the funniest thing I think Ben has ever done. It's the it's it's everything about him. We need regulation of book blur. Taking that blurb like no one would want to be like, oh I'm the new Iron Rand, Like already it's like, that's not like praise

that you would want to promote. But the fact that it's just pulled from this really really mean headline is so good, you guys, there's so much more to say about combat. General Bret Hawthorne. Okay, okay, oh my god, okay, So so Bret Hawthorne, who is pounds in his underwear, has a graying blonde crew cut and a face carved of granite Um God, not not a face that looks carved of granite, but a face carved band whatever, horrifying reality for him. I know what a nightmare for Brett Hawthorn.

I mean, I'm kind of into this. It's like a fantasy thing now, toxic masculinity. He can never change his face. Feel like he's touching himself when he writes about Bret Hawthorne, combat general and not at all a Ben Shapiro stand in. So it's so Brett is looking up at the blown up buildings of Kabul and he he could see the

Kabul Serena Hotel burning. The new coalition government had bragged about the hotel is the standard bear for the modernization of the city with its historically imitative Islamic architecture, satellite TV and wireless internet. Now the flames looked at the windows as ashes floated down on the city, and I feel like he brings up that it's Islamic architecture for a reason to make it seem like even more of

a bad idea. No, I'm just being specific in my pros, like I'm sure that if knows what Islamic architecture looks like for one thing. Um, No, I'm sure if you were to control f that file and just type Islamic, it would come up as like a descriptor for so many things they do not need that word. I bet you're right, we're indexing right now. I'm gonna move right along to uh. So it goes on to him talking

about how a few short this is pretty great too. Actually, a few short years ago, Afghanistan had seemed to be on the up swig. The talent had been on the run, hiding in the mountains of the Tora Bora region sally Forth. Every so often it hit a supply chain. The coalition forces had been sustimate. So a few years ago everything they'd been great in Afghanistan. The arrogant president and Hathor knew all this because he had designed the strategy, and

now the strategy had gone to ship. Well, Bret Hawthorne thought to himself, at least I can tell those stupid bastards I told you so. It is delightful to see who thinks that he is. Oh boy, you guys in Islamic is fewer times than I thought. But I'm already seeing some religion of peace talk that I'm sure is going to be fun. Oh boy, the all the words that are available in in like the little search, because you only get the few words around it that late

stage Islam is peace, pussy shit. That's that's that's a sentence for you. I don't know the context yet, but I'm sure we'll learn. I love the idea that has been is writing this. He's like his des typing and he has a cigar in his mouth that he will never light. No, he's just because it hurts his lungs. Yes, exactly. Yeah, he hates the taste and hates what it does to him.

He's got to have the cigar and like a glass of scotch that is mostly ice that he doesn't sit from cost him three dollars, you've got to savor it. So um, we're gonna talk about Bret Hawthorne's background now because we start like a great writer. He starts in the action se right, pinned down under fired, Islamic hotel is burning. He grips your right away. You're like exciting, like, oh yeah, it's like die hard but iron Rand, Yeah, dying, dying Rand. And now now we go back to let's

learn about Bret hawthorn'sground. Bret Hawthorne was the youngest general in the American military. He'd grown up lower middle class in Chicago. His mother a teacher, his father a salesman company. I'm sorry, at some point you got his search how many times he mentioned Chicago? Oh? Boy? Is he Is that a thing for him? Um? It's a thing for him because of Obama's thing for him, because of guns. Is a thing for him, because of black people in general. Um. Boys.

So half of the time Chicago's mentioned in this book, it's the South side of Chicago, which is the baddest part of town. And if you go there, you better be aware for a man namely Roy Brown, bad, bad, bad man in the hole damn town, madder than a junkyard dog. That's right, Katie, That's absolutely correct. What that's a great So he'd been a shy, gentle quiet kid, built like a read but he learned one skill pretty quickly at Thomas Edison High how to talk his way

from a bad out of a bad situ. O good lord. Okay. So he learned this from Derek Um because Brett, Yeah, I think Derek's gonna be a black inner city kid who teaches him how to be cool. That's my guess. So Brett sat by himself a lot at lunch because he wasn't one of the Irish kids. He wasn't one of the Italian kids. He made the mistake of trying to befriend a couple of black kids that hadn't gone well. He'd ended up with a black eye and a few

new vocabulary words. I'm sorry, it'll be any shaps. It is, this is, it's every single thing, he says. You're like, so, did this literally happened to you? You had a bad experience in this in your life. No, I don't think this actually happened. No. I think he imagined that if he had tried to talk about it's the thing that you do where you like imagine conversations with people and you get into an argument about them, like, well, this is what I would say, then that's what this is.

This is his Yeah. So, because I'm trying to befriend black kids is a bad idea, he said, because of the words you'll learn. He sat alone until he made the mistake of a city of looking up one day and standing standing above him, glaring at him, was a behemoth, a black kid named Yard. Nobody knew his real name. Everybody, he just called him Yard because he stood on played on the school football team, stood six ft five, clocked in in a solid two hundred pounds. He's it's very funny,

but I'm sorry. Uh, nobody knows his name, but he's on the football team. Yes, no one knows his name. What's on his jersey? No one knows his name Yard, No one knows his dis blame, unbelievable. Then he's just number twelve. Nobody knows the star football player's name. No, he's Yard. Never mind, I'm not mad where he goes and nobody even cared to find out where he got that nick, I'm not mad, you're mad. You're the ones.

How we all doing great? Never been better? So Yard stood six ft five, clocked in in a solid tune at eighty pounds, and looked like he was headed straight for a lifetime of person work. Oh jesus, are you kidding me? Excuse me? What does that look like? Then? Don't be off put by his laughing. Just how we deal with this pain we're to We're not even two pages into the chapter one. This is absolute trash, headed for a life. Why is he headed? Five? Because he's

a tall black man. He's the star football team, Ben. Maybe he's not for prison. The coach loved him, everyone else feared him. Okay, all right, Yeah, So Brett looks up and this causes Yard to attack him. Um, oh my god. I thought that Brett was a vehemoth man as well. I thought he was. That's a good point, Katie. But he was small in school. Okay, he had a growth spurt once he started using gud. Okay, that makes sense. At some point he turned from Ben Shapiro literally into

Ward Jim roll right. It's just like this, like eventually he turned into a bear. Right. Ben's just waiting like my dad didn't. He's just watching Brave on a loop, just like that's going to be me one day. I'm going to be the bear. No, that's liberal propaganda. Also Frozen, definitely liberal propaganda. So guys, this is I looked ahead, and it's very bad. So Ben's Brett is sitting down at school and and Yard looks at him and he makes the mistake of looking up, and then Yard mumbles

something in his face. What said Brett? I said, Yard? Groud growled, did you just call me in word? Because I just heard you call me inward. Yeah, did you call him N word? No? I don't think he did, but I mean in his head Ben Shapiro did when he came up with this character, Like he's like thinking this and oh my gosh, okay, you know what isn't headed for a lifetime of prison work outs. I can't begin to imagine the products and services that support this podcast.

I was going to guess Yard. Actually, Yard probably makes millions of dollars as a as a talented football player who just got angry because Ben Shapiro absolutely called him the N word. Cool. It still counts even if it's under your breath, Ben, Yeah, even if it's under your breath every waking hour of the day. All right, products, we're back, and we are just slowly making our way through this book. We did the we did the blurbs. We did we got the description, the physical description of

the main character. I don't think we're going to get far through this book, you guys. I don't care because the next chapter is the President. But I want to know how this situation with Yard works. Oh good God. Yard's hand came down on Brett's shoulder, heavy is doom. Brett could feel his bowels begin to give way when a smallish hand emerged on emerged on yard shoulder. Oh my god, what a bad right, so bad? You remember when you we've all had a hand emerged on us,

just punches right through like the chest burster. Oh my god. Ben Shapiro writes the way monks fuck just like badly, badly, but also constantly apparently. Yeah, yeah, boy, okay. Uh so a hand emerchuse on a black hand. Yards swiveled ponderously to face down the person connected with the hand ponderously ponderously. Yeah, this is his black friend Derek, who defends uh Ben Shapiro for not saying the INN word. Yeah, yeah, so it's good. It's it's it's good. So Derek, Derek is

his friend, Um who such an obvious stand in for Ben. Yeah, it's incredibly obvious. And Derek is a stand in for the friend that been, the black friend. Ben Shapiro has never made a wish that he had so that these situations could be avoided, and who would stand up for him every time on Twitter he got called out as a racist. Actually, my friend Derek defended me when I thought the N word a couple of times at the

definite future prisoner. Unbelievable. Oh my gosh. Okay, so, uh one thing I want you to do at some point is uh do a search for the word honky, because I feel like, yes, definitely. But first we have to talk about Brett's growth spurt. It's going to happen between his junior and senior years of high school. Brett finally hit his growth spurt. Like his dad, he bloomed late, but when he did, he put on muscle and height like a racehorse. He sprouted five inches to six ft two.

He broadened through the chest, filling out to a healthy to fifteen. The coaches that ignored him in high school, but at the Citadel he goes to military school, he quickly became their favorite. Yeah, it's a real sad inside into his psyche of what he desperately wants. I feel like I've learned so much more about Benny Shap's just from the first couple of pages. Not hate him, Look, I mean that it's sad. We're all we're all suffering from the same problem, we just express it in different ways.

And Ben has done this since then. Um. I uh, I've thought about this before, um, specifically with Jordan Peterson doctor doctor George Yes Um, Jordan Bumblebee Peterson, uh in that he so he tries to explain things to people, and he like slips in some I think odious views, and he does it language that seems like demic, but it's also kind of contradictory. It's like it's it's if you pass what he says, it's not great. Um, and

he just sort of talks and talks and talks. I've always wanted him to stop what he's doing and write a novel because I know that if he writes a novel, then his views will be very revealed and a tremendous here not like not intentionally necessarily, it just it'll lose out of him, like here's here's what I think about

everybody on the page. He will write a novel that he thinks is about like a decent man running for president and saving the country, and everyone will point out ten minutes after it's released, like, oh, you wrote mind

com exactly exactly. You'll be like all these all these emotions and feelings you're talking about, and like what you think needs to like to take taking the chaos and turning into order everything you're writing about there will be like a three page part where Jordan Peterson talks about seeing his first acidic jew and it will be like a word for word almost what Yeah, and one will know it until it's published. He won't know it. And uh, I definitely want him to do that. And I'm glad

that Ben has done that. It shares a lot. So I'm just gonna skim the next couple of pages because we've got to move on to the president. Um. But yeah, so when he was twenty two, he got sent to Saudi Arabia and and and missed Operation Desert Storm for the most part. Um, and he was really bummed that we let the curds die, which I didn't hear Ben speak up a whole lot when we abandon them in seriously, why not in a position he's changed. Yeah, it's interesting. Um,

he meets someone named Ellen, who I don't care about. Um, they have a kid together. Um, he's in Kosovo as a captain. By September eleventh, he's a major. A major. By September eleventh, he was a major, a major who, by simple coincidence, knew Peshtow. So one of the most simple coincidence, a simple coincidence. He learned one of the most complex and difficult to master languages on the face of the planet, just as a coincidence, Like you do, I, I was just drawn there. There was no reason. Here's

the best part. He's one of the first one on the ground in Afghanistan. And uh he knew little of the country's culture, but his knowledge of the language made him a valuable commodity. So do you know a little of a culture but noah language, How did you learn that language? Yeah? How do you learn Pashto? And nothing about Afghan culture? Fans view of the world. It's amazing, it's like and it's like, yeah, he did like a matrix. He like he like jacked into the matrix and he

learned the language. But nothing, but nothing at all, not a goddamn thing about Afghan culture. So he hangs out with the Northern Alliance. Some rotton there's a Rosetta stone, the Pashto Rosetta stone. Coincidence, missed all the culture stuff. Cool? Uh, Yeah, he hung out with the Northern Alliance and it was all very Lawrence of Arabia, Brett thought, except that Peter O'Toole had never had to deal with roadside bombs or donkeys laden with explosives or the were of the opium trade.

Such a good point, and it's interesting he describes it. Is he like is he tempted? Right? There's like half it is what I think about the world, and half it's like what if it's like could I do? Ah? Oh yeah, I'm sorry. It's so good, it's so good. Okay. Um, so yeah, the administration makes a terrible deal that that dooms the effort in Afghanistan, and Brett Hawthorne is there as it's all falling apart and he's with a CNN

crew and he saves the day. Um he's he'd been ushering the CNN crew around because, as he told his wife, got to keep those schmucks from reporting that we eat Muslims. What wait wait Robert, So he's he's digging. He's making a dig at the mainstream media, obviously, but admitting the candidates, but like the yeah, like doing saying the awful things

like a good thing. He doesn't because CNN would report that American soldiers eat Muslims because they hate American soldiers and don't, for example, respond worshipfully when we fire missiles at an empty air base in Syria and talked about the beauty of our weapons. They don't do that. They hate the American military. Oh then I hate them exactly, all right. So a little dig in here about how lazy the CNN people are. And then Brett turned to speak.

This is after the camera says they've had eno footage. Brett turned to speak, and from behind the cameraman he saw a child on a donkey about three feet away. His service weapon, a Baretta M nine, was in his hand before he even felt it leave. He's a kid on a weird little racist So I bet he's right.

I bet he's right. Oh, he's absolutely right. And and the evil scene and cameraman zooms in eagerly as the situation degenerates, because he wants to wants to capture the kid being shot by Yeah, okay, we're going to go on to the president here. I don't need I don't need more of this description of the child dying. No, I don't know that the child. I'm sure he saves the child. And the evil scene and cameraman is angry at this. President Prescott. Okay, that's a good name. That's

a I mean, that's a solid. President. We simply he didn't do like a very like African uh oh rock bo bomb something like that, President black Man, No, he's Mark Prescott. Alright, okay, solid solid. We simply can't pay for it, Sir. White House Chief of Staff Tommy Bradley was standing over the President's desk in the Oval Office, a sheaf of budget papers in his hand, crumpled wrinkled papers covered in red notes. Than members just didn't add up.

President Mark Prescott didn't care listen to be tom Oh my god, oh how transparent can you be? That's so that's like it's also really poorly written. It is because we go from like, yeah, the President's chief of staff standing over a sheaf of budget papers in his hand, crumpled wrinkled papers covered in red notes. That's not even a sentence. Crumpled wrinkled papers covered in red notes is not a full sentence. There's no action in that sentence. It is a creative So it's like a it's like

palauk style. Yeah, he's got that, like it's like two words sentences, you know. And yes, I was going to say this has a very Palinuki right, yeah, Palu palanukish way too generous. So, um, listen to me, Tommy said, the president, my reelection relies on our ability to secure funding for this action. You know that, I know that the Poles it. We don't have a choice in the matter. Okay, so what's this what's this action about? Yeah, Oh, he's afraid of becoming a Jimmy Carter was like, what's he

alluding to? With like, like regards to Obama, I'm still we're awhile into this kind. I can't figure out responsibility what they can't pay for? Um. I wonder if we'll ever find out there was a stock market crash that's apparently this Democratic president's fault, just like the stock market crash in two thousand and eight didn't start in the Bush minutes stration because it was a Bomba's fault that it crashed in the Bush administration. I mean, it's a

Bomb's fault for being black. That is absolutely true. And I bet if they'd been at high school with Ben Shapiro, they would have had an interaction. Yeah. I bet if uh him in high school, be like, you're gonna go to prison, prison, and nobody knows your name and nobody knows your name Star football player that everybody knows unreal, so good. The uemployment rates crap climbed me on ten percent and is headed towards the mark if you counted

those who had stopped looking for a job. The real unemployment rate was closer to which was the unemployment rate during the Great Depression UM and never was close to that during Obama's administration. UM cool. So Prescott did what Prescott knew how to do. He survived the easiest way to survive in his predecessor's wars, no matter what the cost, and then pump up the spending at home. There was no glory to be one on the poppy fields of Afghanistan.

Ever Lasting glory didn't come in the form of military victory in this day and age. It came in the form of everlasting social programs that grew and inured to the benefit of all Americans. He's saying, that's benefit. He's saying, not fighting a hopeless wars that waste all of our money and and benefit national security not one iota, and instead spending the money to help Americans is bad. That

it's cowardly. This is unbelievably every pundit should before to write a novel like I want to know what's in your soul. I want to know what's in there. Yeah, I've read one and it's bad. I run for president. I will publish my bad novel. Just like spooky stories and animalphous parodies, Cody, it's not fair to call them animorphs parodies. They are animorphus erotic fiction, and I think you know what I will say, erotic literature. I don't wait, you've read it and I haven't. Thank you so much,

Thank you so much for saying it is. My book is going to be just for kids, for kids about being It's going to be a girl in her imaginary friend Donkey. That's a good size. That's a good idea for a book less thirsty than Cody's book, which is drier than the Sahara. It's desperate. But he was thirty seven minutes late. We can we can rise him a little one note, Cody, Uh, there's actually no such thing as a funk panther. Prove it. I dare you to prove that. Somehow, I think there's a fun panther in

this book. Yeah, several couple of type in panther. Let's see how many time? Um, I wonder if the word funk disappear in this at all, I bet not. I bet he. Oh my gosh, no, nineteen matches. He is Brent asterisk bred badass, is a military loose cannon off. He doesn't give a fun Oh boy, fuck you, motherfucker. Get the funk out of my hood to get him in the funk off my border. Fuck these animals, That's

what I was looking for. Unless he's actually talking about fucking animals, and I'm going to pop right over there and see if it's Oh, the Taliban had used the hangar as an execution post. There was a line of bodies lying on the floor, and many of them wearing American uniforms. Those bodies have been mutilated obscenely. They done it slowly, that they'd enjoyed themselves. Animals, he said softly, fuck these animals. Okay, so not actually fucking animals. Yeah,

that's cool. I was gonna comment on the poorly written aspects of it. Is badly written. All. Yeah, more about the president. Okay, FDR was worshiped not because of World War two but because of social security. Wait, who's speaking right now? The president? This is just a rant. Bins going on it again. About the president who can't afford something that we haven't been told what it is yet.

I love this is just like one of his town hall dot com like essays that he's like, they're not going to publish this, I'll put it in my book. Oh my god. So Prescott spent he spent on green technologies, on education programs, on food stamps, and highways. It's fucking highway. He's going to use this so the pores can drive to work the pavos. I I love that. So far. The message of the first page of the President Prescott chapter is that he's a coward for spending money on highway?

Is it not Afghanistan? Were you scared of the guns? I am, Why don't you invest in human beings? Lies? Unbelievable, unbelievable. So yeah, this obviously spending money on Americans rather than Afghanistan destroys the economy. He's making a great point. Yeah, he's making a very important point. Um and yeah. And so President Prescott starts to doubt whether or not he's going to win a second term, and then a miracle. In the middle of the night, Prescott woke up with

a phrase ringing in his brain over and over. It was as though a higher power had placed them in his mind. He grabbed a pin from his bedside drawer and wrote it down, work freedom, the work freedom program. That's how God's or yesterday. Yeah, he woke up with the melody in his head and he had to write it down. So he kept going to all his friends and me like, does this is this anything? Okay? Wait?

What this is? Like a really gross Ben thinks he's being smart, but this is a Holocaust reference that he's making. He's comparing social welfare programs to the Holocaust. Let me let me read you this paragraph. Everyone recognized the value of freedom, but what did that mean other than the right to a job? Freedom and nothing? If you couldn't put bread in your children's mouths at night? And America was a country of workers. Freedom was work, and work

was freedom. Work freedom, simple, easy, repeatable, genius. What was stamped on the gates of Auschwitz and a number of other death camps are bite mocked. Free work brings freedom. That's literally what he is literally compared jobs program. Yeah,

I'm fucking believable. Yeah, it's believable. It's believable that you won't who won't you know who won't make ghoulish holocaust comparisons to score a cheap political point against a fake president, Jordan Peter And wait, never mind, Hine Rand, no ship uh would be products and services, Katie. I can't believe that was right. That was a real nailed it. You nailed it. These products and services will in fact bring freedom to view work freedom, the work freedom products that

advertise on this show. We're back, gang. It's time for me to admit something now forty or seven minutes into this, which is that um, when we when we decided we're going to do another one of these, I really agonized over which book to choose, and I really frustrated Sophie

by going back and forth. We had a number of contenders for this, and I was worried that the Ben Shapira book wouldn't be a good idea because I was like, it's probably just like a really lame thriller like he wrote like the like he had like a script for a generic action movie and he wrote it, and we're just gonna be like reading through turgid prose about shooting

people and it's just going to be very boring. I would have to be like twenty minutes and be like, Okay, guys, I'm sorry, we gotta like revamp and figure out something else. I've learned so much about it. I believe that this was a script he pitched around and then, and I am certain that in his head his dream was that, like, I'm going to pitch this script and myself as a screenwriter. But once they meet me, they'll be like, the only person who can play play Brett's like John Wayne was

short and built the sets around him. You got to change it. So Brett's actually a short, obnoxious guy. It's actually better and you're short on camera. It's better for lighting purposes. Man. Then we love the script, but the protagonist needs to be more unpleasant to listen to. All Right, give us some more all right, I we only have time. We we we will not get through enough of this. You know what, Robert, that's fine. You know, I think it's disgusting. I think it's I think it's embarrassing that

we haven't gotten through this whole thing anything. That's fine, But we gotta do like a ten part series. So we finished it, Okay, So what should we what should we what should we go through next? I feel like going through chapter chapter, We're just gonna get bogged down. Is there anything you want me to search for? Try to We'll have a question. So when when he ran into that future prisoner? Um, and he didn't say the N word, but he thought the N word? Yeah? Was

it typed out? Was the word type? Oh? Yeah? Oh yeah, So I would say search for the other instances. I also wouldn't mind hearing about this. What was the woman character? What was her description? What did she do? Um? Oh, do you mean the militia leader? Yeah? Well I know that her first chapter starts with her baking cookies for a swat team that's coming after her. Yes, no, I mean mind checking that Outum, all right, are you absolutely

if there? I will lie about a lot of things to Cody, the coronavirus, for example, Yeah, but I will never lie about Ben Shapiro's pros Sola Dad Central Valley, California. The swat team didn't expect it the first time she brought them cookies. Nobody brings the swat team cookies, but Sola Dad Ramirez Dyes, well, Solad Dead Ramirez knew the

value of good press, and she baked mean chocolate chip cookies. No, oatmeal raising here, she said, good naturedly, handing out the meltingly hot treats to them in wearing full military here and carrying M force set to burst number one. Ben, does he mean they were about to come? No? Um, So military grade M fours and similar weapons based off the A R platform UM have a burst fire mode which does a three round burst in in addition to

semi automatic. No one would use it in that situation if you are a semi automatic is primarily for killing, like for actually trying to take aim shots. So if you are entering a building in the thought that you might have a gunfight, you're not going to have your rifles set on berts. Sorry, it's just very Yeah. Also, um, if just this is nitpicking, meltingly hot, something is melting we as we the reader who assume that they're hot.

You don't need to me. Yeah, it's very awkward. Um, they all eat the cookies, which I feel like it's a bad call for a swat team entering a hostile You got to take the food the person you're rating. Um is this Wait? So okay, so this woman, um is the cookie maker? Because also there's the other woman

right there was like his wife that a kid. Yeah, she's unconsequential, right, So that that's what like, there's nothing else about So she's a right wing militia leader, I am going to guests, But she also knows her gender role and how knows her way around a kitchen. Yeah, meltingly hot cookies. It seems like she's a ranch owner. And there's the e p A ruled that there's a type of rare fish um that was in danger from water over use in the river and they were stopping

her from from doing her important farm work. Um, and we're we're going to confiscate her property if she didn't start stop watering her plants. Um. So h that's a way to frame it, I think. So. I think it's a mix of that and like what happened with the Bondi's god, yep cool. But yeah, but she she does know how to bake, and that's important for a woman, she protested. She sued it didn't matter, according to the government, that her husband's father had bought the farm worked it

up from nothing. It didn't matter that her husband had worked his heart out, almost literally on the farm, keeling over at the ripe old age of fifty two while grazing those damn cattle. It didn't matter that she had fifty some employees and their families depended on her. All that mattered was the smelt that damn fish. It's definitely the exactly yeah it is, it is, and it kills all her cows. So she Oh my god, there's even a reference to you guys ever done like a lot

of driving up the Five from Los Angeles nurds. You know how they have all those like Congress made dust bowl Pelosi even there's even a direct reference to that. They're making her the character who put those signs up. You know what I've always wondered. I have to drive up there frequently because my family lives in the Bay Area, So I make that drive a lot, done a dozens of time, and I'm always wondering, who did this? Are there any ones that say, stopped by for my meltingly

hot cookies? Nope? I wonder how solidad Ramirez feels about immigration. Oh boy, well, good news, Katie. She was a week away from filing I think for bankruptcy. Yeah, yeah, filing for bankruptcy when she received the letter. It came from one of her former employees. Emilio. He'd immigrated from Mexico decades before, across the border illegally. She'd paid him well, sponsored his citizenship, and brought his family over to join him.

He's a valuable employee, she told her skeptical friends, and if you were living on that side of the border, wouldn't you jump it. He's not taking money from anybody except me, and I'm paying him for work. He was one of the last men to be laid off as the ranch died. She cried the night she told him the cash had run out. He thanked her, hugged her, and moved his family to Los Angeles. So he writes

her a letter, Well, that's a good immigration story. I guess. Well, I feel like if you do a search for Emilio, oh good Christ. Oh no. He became almost almost so. He and his family had been forced to take a small apartment in East Los Angeles, and Emilio had gotten a job at a factory, a local one of those classic East factors, so their sun. Juan had been enrolled at the public high school that's where he'd been killed.

One of his classmates apparently had tried to recruit him into a gang when he refused, several of the gang members found him in the bathroom. They started punching him. Yeah, they beat him to death for not joining a gang. Yeah, they did. Uh, Football, gangs and factories. It's just so he's so simple, he's such a simple boy. So she she refuses to pay her tax bill and instead sends the money over to Emilio so we can bury his

his his boy, um who didn't said no to gangs. Yeah, and then that's why the swat team comes after her because she's not paying her taxes because she had to help Emilio bury his gang killed boy. And that's what

starts the standoff. Let's stand him for the Bundy standoff that happened when the bundees refused to actually pay mandatory grazing fees that were very clear and very fair for more than a decade until finally there was an action that was then stopped because the government got scared because we don't, or at least didn't live in a Yeah, this is a rich tapestry. There's a lot that brings up really important moral questions and we shouldn't mock it. No, No,

it's good, you're right, it's good. I don't mean anything. I just said, Oh, he talks about there's a character named Levon. There is he talks about. Oh my god, Levon not a white character. Really, No, Detroit, Michigan is where Van and the first sentence of Levan's chapter is Detroit was a ship hole. But it was his ship hole. I hate this so much. That's the way Levan Williams had thought of it. He'd grown up in this ship hole right near eight mile Road along stretch. It is horrible.

This is horrible. Oh my god, I will not have Detroit and like, just write a book you like saw eight Mile with Eminem and it takes place your dorm room when you were in law school. That's the world, you know. Oh my god, he must right, he must talk about rap baddles. Let's I'm just gonna see. Oh my god, there's no Let's see if there's hip hop or like I'm trying to think of like, it's not his vernacular, the words like man, why are you doing that? What are you? Yeah? Yeah, yeah it does. It doesn't

look like we have that problem. Thank God for small miracles, Yeah, thank God for small miracles. Well, guys, I don't know how much more I mean we could, we could, we could, we don't seme for hours, um, but we can't because time is Yes, Cody, could you real quick just search for the word Marxism. Oh my god, of course, thank you,

of course, let's just see marks. Yeah yeah, Marxism. Oh no, only once where um the president's plan to uh, actually, I'm gonna read you with the President's plan because this is what Ben essentially calls Marxism and socialism. This is the president speaking, the evil president who doesn't want us to be in unemployment. I premise you right now that you will not pay one additional dollar in Texas for

this program. You will not lose your job, and if your employer should selfishly fire you, we're establishing a business trust to which our businesses will contribute, which will pay your salary during rainy days. Businesses may try to scare you, but people are always frightened of what they do not understand. Selfishness must not be allowed to trump the vital liberties of the American people. And this action will not contribute to our national debt. It will contribute to our collective wealth.

With the entire American population working, produce and creating, not just eight percent or ninety percent or even nine. We will boost our gross domestic product exponentially. Is like, what if there was a social safety net? Horrible? Damn you amazing one? Last one? Yep, do a search for um I Q Oh boy, oh Cody, maybe just a shot in the darkness. Nope, nope, no, no, okay, that's for his other book. This has been not that illuminating. I mean it has been eliminating, but only in affirming the

things that we know. Um, just for a number for numbers, sick patriot? Oh boy, yeah, let's see that only two? Yeah? What ben you loser? Yeah, Carolin America America, unbelievable. I'm so glad you picked this book. I am too. Yeah, he's so glad. I am so glad that Sophie finally insisted that I picked this book rather than vacillating like a fucking coward. And I am going, did you hop right in? Right now? Um, let's go to my orders that reunun Yeah, I don't want I don't want old

Bennie Shaps to get any of that. Can you feedback? Can you give feedback as to why you want to read fund Yeah? Yeah, you know what I will I will say, Barbara, does that you guys want to plug your plugables? Yeah, well, you can check out our show that we do with Robert Worst you're ever. I'm sure you guys know about that. Uh, and you could check out our show Even More News. That's our podcast. Do you want to tell them about the other things we do?

It's a YouTube shows called some More News. You can google it and google our names to find all the social media accounts that are associated with the shows and with so personally because they exist, they exist, They're out there with tweets. You know what. I love these things that exist. Yeah, yeahah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, famous for that. Yeah. Well, my atem has been successfully returned. I'm so happy for

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