What's Alex Jones Up To Now?

Dan knows a lot about Alex Jones. Jordan's does not know much about Alex Jones. But in reality, you both know an enormous amount about Alex Jones because you've recorded hundreds of podcasts episodes about him too. To my everlasting regret, I started doing this podcast because I wanted to hang out with my friend, and now I know too much about this man. Yeah, yeah, influence y'all's podcast. Knowledge Fight listeners can go to Knowledge Fight dot com if you

want to hear more about Alex Jones. They break down his episodes. You guys are both doing them hondern stuff and you go like back to two thousand eight nine, episodes. Y'all's podcasts have become one of my favorite. I kind of learned about it as I was finishing up the first Alex Jones podcast. But I listen to you guys two or three times a week. I was trying to get caught up. I love your stuff, enjoy it. Yeah, thank you very much. Well, yeah, we absolutely appreciate your

work as well. Well, let's let's get into this. Let's talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Sure, i'd like to open this video this alright, I'd like to open this episode with special video I found of Alex Jones on Inauguration Day, outrageously drunk and ranting about some sort of bizarre future space program. Have you guys seen this one? I I have horrific memories of Inauguration night, Election night. That whole season was pretty bad. Time they're watching Alex Jones.

I forget when I came across this one, but it's pretty remarkable. I like it because it showcases Alex Jones as drunk as I think he's ever been. But that may be optimistic on my part. I would say so he's reached some dioling heights of intoxication. There are four ways to learn, one of which is race memory. I believe that's very, very druyful. Yeah. None, none of those four ways to learn, by the way that he references were reading research, any kind of physical look. Libraries are

where he goes to uh ship. Basically he's not He's not there for the books. They have free coffee. All right, I'm gonna play this video just to warm up the waters for our listeners. Here, here's drunk Alex Jones's will be created and a launch space program that Cyne Patty of the space a loss of program. That's the big difference. The new Atlanta S will be created at a launch space program, the Cyne Matty of the space A loss of program. Put Smanty on the bat forever in the galaxy.

Get a loss of program and our ancestral thousand here now on hundreds and hundreds of star systems and galaxies. They'll look back and say, these are the people that adds a vision that they did all. It won't beat Japan, it won't be China will be, Russia, won't be. Latin America, America, Latin America, chill America. No, wrong America, wrong America. I do love it. Seems like an Alex Jones's conception of

the world. Canada just kind of gets a free ride onto the space train, like just just lumping them in. They're they're white. Alex's world seems like a joke, but that is where his head is at, so that is

kind of. Yeah, my favorite part of that, if I remember that night correctly, that was he's stumbling around d C and a little bit after that in the video, he ends up running into a bunch of fans and he almost catatonically shakes hands with people, like people keep coming up doing like Alex Jones is like, how's it going, But he's almost unconscious when he's talking to these people. It's just it's a very weird dynamic he seems to have with people. But I don't think anybody hates Alex

Jones listeners more than Alex Jones. He despises his his fans so much. That actually gets us onto sort of what we'll be talking about for a big chunk of this episode, which is the contempt that he seems to have for the people who have given him everything that he has. Your God, It's uh, it's really quite remarkable. I mean, when we last talked about Alex Jones on my show. He'd just been kicked off of Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,

pretty much everything. Our episode three Partner ended with him in a donkey mask shouting about the one point three billion Islama strain and Satanism waiting get the border of the country. Yeah. Yeah that night for they were there and then suddenly they weren't very quickly surprised. Yeah they really. Uh that was that was an impressive movement of one

point three billion people. Um with numbers is one of the themes you're going to find if you ever look too deeply into Alex doesn't under and math, language or numbers. Those are fundamental problems. Great at shouting though, Really, if there's one thing I can look up to the man for as a shouter myself, he can really shout the

ship out of things. Yeah, one of the best. And uh, that day, the day that I finished writing the script, I think Info Wars made an announcement that they were launching Uh info Wars, yes, which is Alex framed as an incredible opportunity for his listeners and Wars Yeah. Uh, he's selling you economic freedom. I don't know why you don't want to be a small business owner. I don't know why, I don't know you're at this. It's a

it's a proven system. Well yeah, info Wars Yes, since our listeners probably don't pay much attention to Alex Jones is essentially he's he's getting rid of info Wars Life, it seems, his supplement line and replacing it with another line of supplements sold by a company named Janesse Uh not the Jenette that that Keith Ranieri, the guy who started that nextium called that branded Women did, but a different spelling of essentially the same pronunciation to make the

same result at the end of the day. Yeah, they're both MLMs. They're they're both multi level marketing companies level marketing company. He's gonna get branded at the end of it. I'll tell you that right now. Well, I looked into Jenness a little bit because you know, Alex claimed that number one, their supplements were better than the supplements he had been selling, which is uh, pretty interesting for Alex

to do. It's a strange business plan for him to come out and insult his own line in favor of this new line that he's bringing in. If he expects to ever sell his old line ever again. That's very strange, and I guess we'll get to that in a little bit, but it does seem like this is almost the in game of Info Wars. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part, but it looks like he's trying to basically cash in on the audience that he has as fast as he can. Because Janness is not a nice company. Um. I did

a little bit of digging into them. You did someone on your show too, and it definitely shows the majority of people, like with every MLM, don't make any money or lose money on the business. I did go to their website because I wanted to know how Jenness presents themselves.

Their mission statement is the Jenness Family creates positive impact in the world by helping people look and feel young while empowering each other to unleash our potential, which is about as vague as you're going to find on anything, doesn't I am sold, sir, you wanna be you wanna unleash your potential to feel you? Yeah, I've always I've always wondered why I haven't been unleashing my potential, And it turns out Jenness has a way to go about it.

I assume I'm gonna get branded in a sex call it here shortly right that and you're gonna get a microbiotics skin mask. Now that sounds that's a double way of funds back so well. And when you're branding yourself, you really want the patented Jenness stem cell skin rejuvenation uh tonic, Yeah, which is actually a thing they um, this is actually branding yourself. Kind of works both ways as a double meaning. Yeah, alright, yeah, we will talk about the branding a little bit, because Jones made some

really interesting choices and had a brand info wars. Yes, but I want to stay in Janess for just a little bit longer. So I looked into the company's bio and it says that it began in the hearts and minds of visionaries Randy Ray and Wendy Lewis, having achieved tremendous success and other enterprises. Basically, they created Jenness in two thousand nine on September nine, nine at nine pm.

Because the number nine represents longevity for reasons that are unclear to me, uh into supreme mathematics here, it does seem like about this. I'm not a numerologer, but it does seem that any number higher than nine would better represent longevity than the number nine. I don't know. It's the largest single digit number that makes perfect Okay, okay, okayte it down on the board. Let's keep on. So Mr Ray and Ms lewis because you know, they claimed

to have achieved tremendous success in other enterprises. So I looked into what those other enterprises were. And they got their start with Fuel Freedom International, which was an MLM that sold pills you put in your car's gas tank to give it better mileag Wait, hold on, ye say that one more time? They started what fuel Freedom International and MLM that sells pills that you put in your car to give it better gas mileage. Look, you take aspir in. Your car needs aspir and everybody knows that

makes perfect sense. What are you gonna do if you're not drugg in your car? Just leaving money on the table with a sober car testing your car? Um, your honor, My car was drunk. Come on, it was drunk so it would drive further. Uh So the claim that fuel Freedom made was that the their car pill technology was invented by NASA in the nineteen seventies, although there's zero

evidence for this claim. There's also zero evidence that the magical car pills ever worked and people did try to study that, so again it seems like they were just selling nonsense magic for your gas tank. Now, in two thousand nine, Mr Ray and Miss Lewis got together with a Beverly Hills doctor to make an anti aging face cream made out of stem cells, and if since then cashed in very successfully on people's fears of getting old. The weirdest sequel to Beverly Hills Cop Beverly Hills Doctor,

stem cell doctor. You know you give John d. Reinhold his own franchise, and you know you're going to run into trouble. You know, it says a lot about you that you picked Beverly Hills Cop as the Beverly Hills movie to call this a sequel to, and not Beverly Hills Ninja, the Chris Farley classic. Do you mean the greatest movie ever made? Come on, I was going to go with Hills shows where my mind is that? So Janess's business did grow wildly over the mid Oughts and

made hundreds of millions of dollars. Like in thinking two thirteen or fourteen, they were showing like a four growth rate year over year, but it seems to have tapered off recently, in part due to the fact that they

are super shady. So I did some reading within the m l M community to just to try to see how this company was looked at by people who are into multi level marketing, and I found a site called behind m l M and they one of the things they note is that Jenness has a history of quote cutting secret backroom deals with high profile affiliates, which means that they basically go after people with big audiences and pay them thousands of dollars in order to get access

to their audience, which seems to be exactly what's going on with Alex Jones right now. It's the scientology business model, I believe. Yeah, find someone famous and then their fans will pay you money exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So behind m LM talks about one other personality that Jinnest sort of poached from a different MLM and they paid him fifteen thousand dollars a month in order to generate tens

of thousands of leads. And I think Alex Jones, even after the cut down in his traffic, still is something like seven hundred thousand unique views on like a monthly basis to info Wars. So he it's possible he's getting a lot more than fifteen grand a month, since she seems to have the ability to drive a little bit more traffic. But it also seems unlikely that he's getting a whole lot more than that. And I know that.

In that there's a two hour interview Jones did drunk with another David Patrick Patrick Bet David the surprisingly good interviewer slash marketing con man. We we were listening to that video just going like, what the ship? How is this the best interview that Alex? The best interview for Alex was, was this guy actually pushing back just like Alex? Alex? Yeah, really you considered that maybe some of this is your fault. Really held his feet to the fire on something I know. Yeah, shock.

And in that interview, Jones claimed that he lost about ten million dollars in ad deals in the first month of Trump's presidency. I will tell you that that number is slightly eer than what he cited at the time. But he is he has a habit of, like I said, he's bad with numbers. But he also mythologizes himself quite a bit, so by this point, him expanding it to ten million dollars makes a whole lot of sense. But I think it was only like a couple of million

back then. I think he's at least multiplied it by a few I feel like that's every time he cites a number, When he cites that same thing, in the future, he'll double or so the number like at least increase. And you know that's cumulative over time, So I'm sure he'll be thirty or forty million down. You know, in a year from now, you might actually be forty million do well, yeah, from now. So that is what I

want to get into, because um, yeah. The New York Times noted and this was like a September fourteenth report that uh in fo war has had a daily average about one point four million visits to its website before the August six bands, and that by September mid September, they were down by about half. So it seems like the bands cut their traffic in half, which is obviously

going to cut his revenue in half. And while I doubt he lost ten million dollars in a month, it seems pretty probable that he did lose a lot of money as a result of his his increased visibility and and the d platforming and whatnot. So I always find it interesting when he lies about something that he absolutely doesn't need to lie about, like two million dollars. If you lost two million dollars in a month, that's still a ship ton of money. But he has to say, oh,

it's ten million dollars. Like why, it's like fish stories man, you know, like still a big fish. Yeah. Yet yeah, it's like it's like, I mean, it's He also has to kind of lie about his influence, even though there's plenty of things he has to legitimately claim, like that he's influenced. I don't know. He does seem to have like some sort of allergic prohibition against telling the truth. It's it's kind of weird. Um, but yeah, nobody would ever elect a guy like that president. I'll tell you that.

You know, he would never get further than having a weird show on the radio. Uh So, anyway, that like, it's it definitely seems likely that this partnership with Janesse came out of a severe cash crunch for Jones. Like that's the picture I'm getting as I look at this, because we know as and revenues down. We know, it seemed like if he's willing to give up in full Wars Life, it means those sales have probably fallen significantly. Well, I I think that you're you're thinking is probably pretty

correct on that. But my my theory is that Info Wars Life was all done through his weird doctor friend who's actually a chiropractor Doctor Group. Yeah, Dr It's it's all done through the global Healing center that Doctor Group runs. He has all his products and then Alex makes a different name for them and sells them on Info Wars Life. And my theory is basically, once Alex got kicked off of everything, Dr Group realized there's nothing in this for me anymore, so he wanted to stop his dual branding

with Alex. So Alex probably didn't have as much of a choice as it appears with Info Wars Life going away, because now he can't private label all this like super Male Vitality and Throplex all of his interesting because I noticed uh decrease in appearances by Doctor Group, especially in the last like nine months or so, whereas he used

to come on and do infomercials fairly regularly. Um so I mean that seems really consistent though, with Alex Jones's character, because if dr Group has pulled away from Jones and isn't, you know, willing to work with him in the same extent that he used to be, it would make sense that Jones is calling those supplements not as good as the ones like that he would be willing to throw not just Group, but the products under the bus, because

that's very mentioned Jones's character. It fits the pettiness that we've we've seen for a long time, and Alex Is jumping from thing to thing is pretty consistent throughout his career. Like you, he used to be basically a gold salesman for Midas Resources. Ted Anderson runs this gold company called Midas Resources that also owned Genesis Communications Network that would distribute Alex's show. In September of Ted lost his gold license.

So for totally non criminal reasons. I don't know why that would be the first place your head jumped to. A guy just lost his gold bullion sales license. That's just normal ship that happens. He forgot to re up with the government. Come on, Jordan is not correct on that there were some shady dealings being done by so he wasn't allowed to sell gold anymore. He and so he ended up becoming actually he sells like bulk beef now and it's a very mightas resources, a very strange

place into now I've always called beef red gold. I mean that's yeah, it's the gold of your stomach. So when when Ted lost his gold bullyon license, Alex immediately almost like two weeks after that, I believe did a money bomb and it was just sort of out of nowhere. Also, right around the end of the fiscal year when you got to get your taxes together. Uh so he there's that influence. And a little bit after that is when a lot of the the supplement sales went into overdrive.

Though he had already started that end of the business a year prior, it wasn't pushed nearly as hard as it was after and onwards. So I've noticed a weird trend of him like sort of leap frogging from cash cows kind of yeah, yeah, yeah, And I gotta say just to a little aside, but it's really one of the things that's most frustrated to me about eighteen is like I spent like I'm gonna guess you did as well. A lot of my late teen years in early twenties

and like the weird conspiracy corners of the Internet. I have fond memories of those days. And yeah, I have really fond memories of using like weird libertarian gold e

currency to buy drugs off the internet from Canada. And now that's all ruined because it's all turned into this like right wing like this like funding machine for malicious basically, like it's all it's just such a bummer, Like I want to think back fondly about using the gold to buy two c I, but it's just it's it's it's been corrupted now by the nothing gold can last, as nothing egold can stay. My my disappointment comes from losing my favorite advertiser that he ever had, which was a

Diamond gust of jeans. Do you know diamonds. I have heard Diamond Gussete jeans on y'all show the ads for them, incredible songs. But my favorite part was when he was doing research into Diamond Gusta jeans. He found all these reviews and they were consistent in one thing, which is that whatever pants eze you ordered, that would be the only pant's eyes you did not receive. It was a random pants generator and that makes me so happy for some like animalistic reason, I need to never know what

pants eye I'm gonna wear. You don't need to worry about it because they're still a sponsor of the Genesis Communications. Now, well then see there we go. That relationship business still around. Everybody loves American jeans, timing, Goss, subscriptions all around. I'm buying around for everybody who listens to the show. I just I want to know where you have to be in your life that you buy pants through the radio.

That's a patriot. That's where you have to be. Okay. Um, So, driving us back to Janess just a little bit, it does seem that there's some current desperation for steady monthly income and Alex Jones, I like you. You point out, he's leap frog from a lot of cash cows over the years, but it seems like now one of the things that's new is that he's willing to burn his audience to get it. Because Janese is not a nice company.

Not that there are nice MLMs, but just this August they settled a two and a half million dollar class action lawsuit, and the plaintiffs in that lawsuit alleged that Janess was quote a misleading business opportunity disguised as a legitimate way to make money, which seems like a reckless thing for Jones to do with his audience, which is

already dwindled as a result of everything that's happened. The problem with that description of Jana's to be in a lawsuit is like, that's also a one way to describe capitalism, right, well, that's leading way to It's one of those things like at the basic level, like Okay, you work a job and use the money you get to that job that you're paid for your level to labor to buy goods

and services. There are complaints you can have about that level of capitalism, which is different than like an MLM, where it's like, no, you would buy a bunch of products and the whole goal is to trick you into thinking that this will make you rich, but you never make a dime. There's scams and then there's scams on scams. Yeah. The thing I would think about your your characterization of him being willing to like sort of take a risk with his audience like this, I don't think that that's

out of character for him at all. Even on your episodes and you were going over his supplements, you guys talked about how there was a bunch of lead and you're right, you're right, and a lot of the stuff that he sold were we're pretty bunk, even without the idea that there's heavy metals in them. You know, just the the actual thing isn't going to get the result that he is saying you probably will, so I think for years he's he's been perfectly willing to endanger people

um to make a bottom line. But it does seem like that's a little bit more of a subtle Like, for one thing, lead poison is just going to make you a better Info Wars consumers. It's not gonna hurt your ability to enjoy Alex Jones's content. Yeah, But like the supplement industry is gigantic as a scam. Like obviously there's some vitamin supplements that can be useful, but like it's mostly bullshit. And that's my favorite. Are the paint chips.

Have you ever eaten those? It's like they're kettle cooked paint chips. They're they're delicious. You get a you get a little bit of brown on them. Perfect favorite weird fact about pain chips less lead than Alex Jones's supplements. Earth iodine is made of lead. Okay, So I gotta I gotta tune us out for an AD break right now for some some products and uh, you know services, the capitalism stuff that we're talking about, but not the MLM version of capitalism. This is That is an AD pivot,

my friend. That is the way you do it. And we're pivoted, and we're back. We're back, and we're talking about Alex Jones. Uh and we are I want to get into how Alex has chosen to brand info Wars Yes, because it's really interesting to me. Are you talking about the weird red lettering? Very it seems very off off style for him. It all seems off style to him. Um, Like, you know, like infu Wars Life products used terms like

shield force defense and it was all very militarized. It looked almost like like most of the products on Info Wars Life looked like something you might pick up in like a first person shooter video game as a power are up. Like, yeah, infull Wars Yes looks like it's aimed at like middle aged housewives. Uh, not that that's

a bad thing. But like the picture of Alex Jones in the Info Wars Yes banner ad that I sent you guys, he's clean shaven, it looks like it was taken about fifteen years ago, and the color tone is like a really light, calming blue um and it's it's not at all. Yeah, he's safe and healthy and young. Well you went with info Wars Yes because Info Wars tupper wear was actually already taken. Did you guys know that info Wars Yes is a is an acronym. Yeah,

it's like Youth Enhancement System nailed it. How do you know? I know a lot of things you only know a little bit. So the youth Enhancement System is the centerpiece of what Jeness claims to offer Alex's fans. And so there's a bunch of different products that you're supposed to take for all of the different ways that you can get younger if you take the drugs Alex Jones wants

to sell you from this company. And the most striking product that I found is the Finity pills, which you'll die sometime, it seems, yeah, like the pictures on the pills are like young couples. They're doing everything they can the branding to make it look like this will make you live longer without actually lying and say that this will extend your life, because then the FDA will get

on their asses. There's there's laws about certain claims, but you can call a thing finity, infinity and nowhere else. I'm gonna guess by the spelling that the only reason they didn't go with infinity is that that would have been like infringing on the cars. Coyright. He also has a brand of cars named Paula. Yeah, he stops there,

the Paulas, and don't forget his undies. So I looked into the ingredients of the Finity pills because it seems to be the centerpiece of the strange life youth enhancement systems Alex Jones is trying to sell. Includes astrologous root extract, which is supposed to be good for your immune system and particularly famous for your heart. It's like a Chinese medicinal herb, but there are quote no high quality studies in people, so there's no evidence of any health benefits.

It costs about two dollars and seventy five cents an ounce. There's co enzyme Q ten, which costs about twenty dollars for sixty pills. There's quite an extract which is seaweed extract, a little less than twenty bucks for sixty pills. There's Potero pure, which is an antioxidant found in blueberries, which is slightly cheaper than those other two pills. And then you know like tumeric and a number of other very very inexpensive herbs. You guys want to guess the total

price for sixty capsules of affinity? How much does a house cost? We are all millennials. None of us know that I'm gonna put it just south of that. It is a hundred for sixty capsules. Uh Now, now you're supposed to take to a day, so that is basically more than an average cell phone bill in order to get one set of the medications that they recommend you take with the the YES program. So that's fun. Phone doesn't make you young, doesn't know, It just gives you

head cancer. So throw your phone away by finity. Um, Now, Phone doesn't make you young is my favorite song from the Seven Days? Do you remember that one? When it swept the swept of the charts. I should note for fairness that if you're a distributor, it's only a hundred and eight dollars a bottle, so it's a steel So that seems to be the angle Jones is going for here.

And I do have a little bit of a conspiracy when it comes to the marketing of info Wars Yes, because, as I noted before, in all of the pictures of Alex on the info Wars Yes site, he looks like

about ten to fifteen years younger than he is. He's also clean shaven and in really trim, So I did a picture has been heavily airbrushed or they just picked a younger picture of Alex Jones or both or both or both, yeah, And I think this is done in order to create the illusion that Jones has wrinkled and careworn face has been d aged by Janess's remarkable products.

And if that is the angle that they were going for, I have to imagine that Janess was not happy to see Alex Jones give a two hour interview to an MLM salesman named Patrick bet David. Because in that video I included just a random screen grab from it that will also have up on the site. Alex Jones looks like he has aged about twenty years in the last

six months. Like, oh yeah, I don't like to critique people's appearance, but I believe on our show, I said he looked like trash, like he was slouched over and clearly drunk. It was a mess. He looks like a middle aged man who has been drinking way too much. Uh well, it looks like that that cartoon version of a hobo on the side of the street who's he's a pink elephant walked by and then looks at his brown paper bag and like throws it in the garbage,

like his giant red nose is incredible. Never throw away that bottle. And I will say one of the things that makes me he's the best way to describe him is if that cartoon hobo saw all these pink elephants is like hell yeah, and just kept drinking out of that brown I love me an elephant. Yeah, big elephants.

One of the things that concerns me a little bit is that, you know, if you remember that wonderful forest bathing video Alex Jones did shirtless out in the out in the woods, he looks for a guy in his forties, relatively fit in that video. He's certainly not massively overweight or anything like that. He doesn't look unhealthy. He looks like he has aged way more than two years in

the time since that video was taken. Um. You know, you know how there are some people in the world who, like, you get him at the right angle and they kind of look great. You look at him a different angle, it's kind of oh boy. Yeah. I think Alex is very much like that. Like, he has the kind of stocky body that if he sort of pulls it in a little bit, he doesn't look like if he has good posture and is trying to present himself, he looks bad but not terrible. But then if he's drunk talking

to Patrick bat David, he looks like like like a hobo. Yeah, yeah, and he does look like a hobo. One of the things I noticed in that interview is that he claimed repeatedly that they've never had more hardcore listeners than they do right now after the purchase, And that interview was posted the day after The New York Times posted that article about how their traffics fallen by more than half, which is there's just a fun little side side known here.

I do think probably the most interesting thing to me, because like, obviously the thing that got the most coverage in that video was Alex saying he was ready to die repeatedly. I'm ready, I'm ready to die. I'm ready. And if my kids get, if my kids get, they're gonna kill my kids. I think. Anyways, I'm I'm a positive guy. What what were we talking about? Major major league marketing? Is that what we're doing? I don't know.

I will note that there is one moment in that whole interview where Alex seems to react with genuine horror and empathy, and it's when Patrick Beck David talks about the time that he lost his voice for ninety days and Alex's like, Alex's response is very genuine, and he seems horrified by the thought of not being able to talk, which, well, yes,

but if you recalled, he was drunk drunk. As Patrick is telling that story, Alex takes a big bite out of an apple and says life is very fragile with a mouthful of apple, and we're going then it's kind of for me when I look at somebody like you, I lost my voice for ninety days four years ago, okay, and if you're running a business, then you're selling you speaking all the time. I mean, that's not good. They thought it was a cancer at to go. It was benign.

They did a surgery. I lost my voice Thanksgiving. I couldn't talk for ninety days. Voice was gone. I can speak at all, And so for me, it's a genuine rate for me to sit back and rize. You know, the smallest little thing is a big part of your life. So I felt like, if I can't speak right, I can't speak, what do I do today? Five billions were a lot of wisdom there, Alex. It's the perfect intersection of being rude and empathic at the same time. It's

just those are, oh my god, that's awful. That's something happened to somebody who's not me. Anyways, This apple is delicious. So there is a point in that interview where Alex gives I think what I think is a really insightful and accurate answer to a question. I don't think he means to. I think it's just part of his spield, but I think it's one of those It's like how he accidentally proticted nine eleven because he just has been

predicting disaster every day for the last twelve years. There's a moment where Patrick bet David asks him why the globalists just haven't had him it yet if he's such a threat to their schemes, and Alex notes, because they thought I was a joke, like a poison. I titrated and it's the way God works, It isn't me And I do think that's why none of the people politically who were harmed in a serious way by the influence that Jones has gathered took him seriously until after the

twenty sixteen election, because we all just thought he was silly. Yeah, I agree. I agree with his assessment pretty fully. But at the same time, it's interesting to like, until very recently, his answer to why isn't he dead yet was that he's too popular to kill. Yeah, so like, it's interesting that he's even shifted that to a more introspective, actual searching answer than just like I would be too much of a problem. Yeah, it's like, no, no, I was insidious.

I I flew under the radar as a goofy clown. Um. It's it's also really interesting to me how his go to description of himself is as a poison. That's just kind of fun, uh, especially for someone lead lead based pills. Um. So, now, I just listened to y'all's latest episode of Knowledge Fight where you covered episode and you revealed that Alex has There's so many new schemes coming out of Alex Jones

that it's hard to to keep track of them. Also, I'm glad I listened to this one before this episode because he is now getting into the meme making business, which is the machine. It's really it seems like he's trying to brand himself as the new site of four Chance poll Board because like one of the things that I saw the last time I visited info Wars, if you're paying attention to the dark, gross right wing corners

of the Internet, there's a meme. The NPC meme has has gone viral recently, which is basically, everyone who isn't a really far right wing ship poster is is an inhuman thing incapable of independent thought. Uh, and so we described them as a non player character. There were like five or six different articles on info Wars that all included the term NPC when I visited last That's is this meme is going to change the world. It's big stuff. But did you get one? Did anyone do that to

you anyone? I have not yet? No, no, no, no. I know that Jared Holt got the MPC treatment. Great. Yeah, I remember him posting something about that and I thought, like, all right, he seems to be taking that in stride. No, I've gotten a number of like I was doing reporting on a four chance poll board back and in two thou sixteen. I got a number of death threats back then, but I haven't gotten I don't know. Maybe I have got an MPC. Mean, nobody shared it with me on

Twitter and I rarely go to pole directly. Um yeah, Mark, Yeah, but uh, it is interesting, like he's he's announced that he's starting a whole new section of the site that's going to be focused around memes. And he just announced just me, just memes, because that's what it's what defeats the globalists. They don't they want you to use emojis. They want you to use emoji when and that is what the globalists have always wanted, that that ship emoji

that's nowhere near as good as the ship meme. So he explained the emoji thing because I didn't even catch that on this is that what he's saying, well, Robert, ye, what you need to understand is that the Fabian socialists, uh, they are still actively involved in manipulating the world, and they want all of us to use emojis because they restrict language, because that smiley face can only mean a smiley face. It just means you're smiling, whereas memes can

mean anything. They have if there's creativity within me, I don't know. That's basically what he's trying to say. But I don't I don't know if I believe it. I know I don't believe it. But yeah, that's his angle he's trying to make. I think it's very thin. And also I should say this, there's no way that part of the website is ever going to get made. That

was Alex talking ship. That's not going to happen. Do you think there's gonna be a ten thousand dollar cause he announced a ten thousand dollar prize that he was personally going to give to the best meme. Has announced so many multi thousand dollar prizes, no one I think has ever collected on any one of those. There was that that whenever Kathy Griffin made that distasteful picture with

Trump's head distasteful and heavy scare quotes. Yeah, Alex had Mike Sernovich on and they were going to start a contest where they were trying to get people to get homeless people to walk around with CNN is isis shirts and somehow they would reward people for getting homeless people to be walking billboards. That plan was to get homeless people to do it. Yeah, what kind of nonsense plan is that it was? It was pretty gross. It was pretty gross to hear. But we're gonna kill two birds

with one stone. We're gonna clothe the homeless and we're gonna take Hillary down. That makes perfect sense. That literally was their angle. Yeah, And so they do this all the time. They come up with these weird ruses and media stunts, and almost never are they followed through with, except for the bill Clinton is a rapist one. That's the that's the only one that really people followed through with,

And apparently Alex did pay people for that. So I do want to ask you, uh Jordan, in particular, like one of the things you all have been doing on your show that I think is really interesting is trying to trace back the origins of like nowadays pretty much constantly Alex Jones mentions George Soros, he's like the big boogeyman on Info Wars, and that has not always been the case. Uh, And I think you'll you'll documented it somewhere around two thousand nine, two doesn't ten is when

he first started talking about Soros. But even then he was mentioning that the guy was really low on the totem pole. The first time that we've I mean, obviously he's been doing the show for whatever amount of years. Yeah, but the first time that we've heard of Soros, because Dan has been conducting a an insanely thorough investigation of two thousand nine, which the ostensible point is to figure out when he joins up with the tea party. And we're three months past when the tea party started, and

we've all all we've heard is nonsense. So we finally hear from one of his callers, I believe, like, hey, you hear about that Soros cat, and Alex is like, yeah, Soros is bad, moving on and never speaking of this again. That was it. And then later on in he's claiming that he's known about Sorrows since the eighties, when PBS used to run a week long documentary series about how Soros is the most evil human being that there's ever been. Yeah,

his story has changed considerably. Yeah in two thousand nine. The best I can tell, at least at the point

that that we've been looking into it. The only thing that he ever has mentioned Soros about is there is a clip that came out of George Soros talking at the Davos meeting, and he mentioned the ramifications of the dropping price of oil that we experienced back then, and he was talking about how one of the after effects are going to see is that a lot of the countries that support rogue activity around the globe that are funded by oil enter ASTs and names in the number

of countries and notably points out Russia as being one of them. Those countries have limited resources to use because they're not making as much as they used to after the oil price has gone down, and Alex says, George Soros is admitting that he crashed oil in order to punish these countries, which doesn't reflect the clip at all. But he doesn't really talk much about it at all.

It's just sort of like a little piece he throws in and then doesn't mention him at all, and then we flashed forward to November when Glenn Beck did his uh, his disgraceful George Soros puppet master report on Fox News, and what we found was Alex's response was, this is laughable. You think George Soros is a big deal. He's middle management. Basically, he's like, he doesn't matter. George Soros doesn't make decisions.

He's he's a hanger on with the globalists. And so to short version, I guess is we don't really know at this point exactly when he starts turning him into the demonic head of his enemy team. But it definitely has not been consistent. See, and that's really because in the in that old stuff, like one of the things I know he mentioned when he was talking about Soroce is that he was part of the left wing of the buzzard or whatever that is, the globalist conspiracy to

destroy all freedom and whatnot. And that's the most interesting thing to me about Alex's evolution over time is how he went from this guy who was like the left and the right are both equally full of ship, and they're they're both equally bad and part of this giant conspiracy. And you know, the real important thing is, you know, freeing yourself from the New World Order, and he has completely gotten off that train now it seems like like

he's not. I mean, I guess he probably still does use the New World Order phrasing, but he's become a completely partisan creature now, which is almost like kind of a heartbreaking journey for him, because it appears to be heartbreaking.

But I think that the reality is that one thing that we didn't expect when we started looking back through time is that if you look at what what's motivating him, even behind the right left paradigm being an illusion and stuff like that, is that, like the reason that they're both bad is that they both want to infringe on whiteness. There is a consistent white identity defensiveness that characterizes Alex throughout all of his career that I'm able to to

look into. And so my feeling on him formerly being like the right and the left both suck and now him being super conservative is more a reflection of how far the right has gone down towards what he's into, which is defending guns vociferously and being super into straight, white male Christian identity. So I think I think that he was waiting for a team to emerge that he could be a part of. And there wasn't a team. There was just basically Ron Paul that was someone he

could be like, that guy is good. No, before we started doing this this oh the you know, all I knew about Alex Jones was essentially like, hey, here's this crazy guy who spouts conspiracy theories on on the radio. And as we keep going back through different eras of this time, the only thing that's consistent is white supremacy. So whenever he's going back and saying like, oh I hate George W. Bush, it's not about the rights policies

in any way. It's about George W. Bush outwardly saying like maybe we should still make an inclusive world even though he's not acting it. But now that somebody is out and out saying like, have you considered that being Nazi is great? He's like, yes, I have considered that, and I agree that actually makes him make a lot more sense. And I want to, uh, I wanna. I want to move into I know you guys have some clips that you have you have curated, and I'm excited

to talk about those. But before we treat our listeners to some more of the best of Alex Jones. Uh, it's time to treat them to the best of some ads. Okay, we're back. We're talking about Alex Jones, and Dan and Jordan have been doing this for years. You listen to hundreds of episodes of Alex Jones, and you've come across some pretty objectively insane things that a casual Jones researcher like myself could never have hoped to find. So I'm

just going to hand things over to you. So why don't you set up some of these clips for us and explain what sort of bounty we have for our listeners today. Certainly a crossover. But before I get into this, I want to say I thought that your episodes are really insightful and very on point um. But two things I wanted to point out. We're one um. When you mentioned the info Wards human resource director, it's worth noting that that's Alex Jones's dad is their human resource director,

So that's one thing. He's very hands on. It's really nice. It's a natural step from paying off the people that beat up your son to not complain that he's bled on their shirt to directing HR for his company. H C. I a dentist info wars HR. That makes perfect sense. It also implies he might be a little bit biased about harassment complaints when it's my employee and my son

who is being complained about. And then the second thing was I believe in the first episode came up that Alex might be a DJ UM and this is a big misunderstanding. His cousin, Buckley is a DJ and the most important piece of information anyone needs to know about info wars. Buckley surprisingly not a terrible DJ. He's terrible, terrible. He has a SoundCloud it's Buckley Hammond h A M M A N and it banks It's pretty good. He's he's pretty talented, but I'm sorry. He's also noted multiple

times on the sexual harassment UH complaints. Oh yeah, he sounds like a horrible persons. Yeah, always goes though, so UM. I guess the best place to start out would be UM. One of the first things I wanted to learn about was what the path from Alex being this weirdo conspiracy guy to being Trump's propagandist. I wanted to experience what that journey was like. So we went back and listened from the day of that Trump announced his candidacy to the point where he says it's Trump or die um

and we experienced that ride. But one of the things that I never expected was when he announces his candidacy, Alex doesn't give a ship. He doesn't care at all. He doesn't even say anything about it on the day he announces. But on July three, he finally starts talking about Trump's candidacy, and he says this, you go and you show it at the university, four or five palace size houses, forty million million, you name it. You say, is this Donald Trump's sure? Butody thinks he's a rich guy.

The guy's literally nothing, kind of just a front man for some consortiums on the East Coast. I'll leave it at that. Oh yeah, Trump's piece of work. Folks. Huh they go in there. It's just mind blow. I don't even know what to say anymore. So his initial position on it is that Trump is he's mobbed up. He starts talking, uh, yeah, absolutely. It seems like a rare instance information a few times where it's like, oh yeah, no,

you fucking nailed it. Kind of course, four months later he's like, Trump is the best guy that's ever said Yeah, so you see him for a while being kind of like dismissive of the entire candidacy. As Trump's rhetoric gets more towards what he likes to see in terms of being kind of cruel to uh, non white Christian straight Males'

is like, oh, this is interesting. And then as some of these influencers Steve Pochanic, Roger Stone, Um, I believe Eric Prince also though he never shows up on the show, there's definitely indications Alex has made that he was one of his sources. And I do want to drill into that a little bit. The Eric Prince, Roger Stone, Alex like how Alex Jones ties into the Goosafer stuff because that's something I didn't get into at all because I wasn't really I didn't really know much about it until

I listened to y'all talking about it. And that's can you break that down from me? I can try. It's gonna involve a little bit of conjecture because you kind of have to put together the pieces of stray things

that people have said on Alex's show. Roger Stone and Steve Pochenek, who is a former psy op expert for the State Department, who is now a guy who's running psy ops on Alex on his broadcast, Uh, the two of them have multiple times on the show referenced something that they call the Group or the forty five group, and talk about how they got together and put plans

in motion in order to get Trump into office. I don't know for sure, but it appears, based on the rhetoric that Steve Pochenek has said on the show, that Erik Prince may or may not be a part of that group as well or in some way working with them, Because one of the Alex's big things was this idea of there was a soft coup going on within the government against Hillary Clinton, and his belief about it is is basically that their forces within the military that we're

working with Russia and ASSAD in order to crush ISIS and they did this behind the back of Obama. And when you really sort through the muck and you see like what comes through the sifter, it appears that probably Erik Prince, as a guy who runs a mercenary organization, may have made a deal with Russia in some way. And this is what's being translated to Alex as our military made a deal in order to fight isis so crazy.

I believe a lot of this information that clearly relates to Erik Prince is being filtered through Steve Pochenek and being translated onto Alex's broadcast as the idea that there are patriots within these communities that are fighting back against the globalist Hillary Clinton forces, and so that makes him think that he has like real legitimate backing within the government when it appears that well, unfortunately now is the case. Yeah.

So the most fun thing about Roger Stone calling something the group of is that you you can place that within such a wide spectrum. It could literally be a Facebook group chat, or it could be an eyes wide shut orgy and there's it could be anywhere in between. Roger Stone is that guy of, Like it could be so boring, or it could be the weirdest sex party. Because I know, I can't believe that Alex Jones has not been to a party that was shot for shot

indistinguishable from the one in Ice Wide Shot. Um, like that's his Thursday. Uh, He's just that kind of guy. Um. I got with Charlie Sheen during his most wild times and uh is now good friends with Roger Stone, it seems I mean, it's I don't think that Alex doesn't like to party, do you guys notorious for not having

any sexually transmitted infections at all. So with the like, it seems like Jones was essentially used as like the dissemination point for some of this hacked information that like Roger Stone may have been a broker from like that's kind of the rough picture you can put together. It appears so. And in Roger Stones case specifically, we went back to the day, uh that when when all that information came out about Roger Stones context with Goose for

two point oh. We went back to I believe it was August sixteen, that right, Roger Stone calls it the day the music died. I believe. Yeah, we went back to that day and we found Alex teasing secret information that and it ends up being what Wiki leaks puts out. So there there is an indication that he has got contact from Roger Stone, that Roger has made contact with

this other source. And mysteriously, even before the YouTube channel was taken down, that episode is one of the only ones that wasn't available on his YouTube channel that day had been taken down or hidden somehow, but generally I used to be able to find all of his episodes just easily on YouTube, and that one I actually had to dig for. That's really interesting. It's suspicious. It doesn't

prove anything, but it's suspicious. No, And it's a more believable conspiracy than anything I've heard from Alex Jones in quite a while. And I should say that it does sound conspiratorial to say, like, there's this group or what have you, and I wouldn't feel comfortable saying it if it weren't something that was brought up by multiple guests of Alex Jones's show that publicly pretend they don't know

each other. So it seems incongruous that Steve Pochenk and Roger Stone would both be on the show and before that point be very clearly saying that they don't know each other and referencing the same group of people who are pushing behind the scenes for Trump to be president. Best argument against that, though, is if it is an eyes wide shut orgy, everybody's wearing masks, that's true, everybody's wearing masks. You don't know. Steve Pachet could have been

inside Roger Stone and neither of them. Know, yeah, sometimes you're running a political campaign. Sometimes you're sucking a scyops director. It all happens. I thought you were going to say, running a train on a side. So, uh, you want to set up the next clip? Uh? Yeah, what's this one? This one? The clip title is augusteen, Alex sort of

confesses to murder. This is one of the weirdest clips that we've ever encountered on the show, and it is in the middle of an episode that has nothing to do with this sort of topic, but Alex confesses, Uh, it might have been involved in the crime. Google would love to have me arrested and killed. Garrol t she I've never killed anybody technically one guy, proper layer, but technically out of the point is I've never killed anyone, and people have helped trying to kill millions. Now I've

never killed a guy. Maybe one Wait wait, what what do we get any more to tail out of that?

Because I have no trouble believing Alex Jones killed a guy. Uh. A number of our listeners have spent sculated that what he's referring to is like he's talked about, like as a younger man bashing someone's head into the concrete and then like you you even mentioned that you put a guy into a coma, and there's a decent chance that maybe that person died later of medical complications, and Alex considers that to be like, I kind of killed that guy. He put it into a coma. Yeah, I believe I

thought you did. His dad paid off some people. Uh, one of them was a guy that Alex put into a coma. Oh no, I was talking about the There was a police report from like, t what's that you're talking about? Space Hitler. Yes, Space Hitler, the fight with Space Hitler. Because it doesn't seem like anyone got really hurt with that. I had no idea he put a guy in a coma. There's another story that Alex tells about.

He presents it as he was being bullied and picked on and then the bully didn't realize that he could go, and so he didn't. He couldn't stop himself. When the rage got in him, he was bashing his head into the concrete and put him into a coma, and his dad ended up getting sued because that guy's dad sued him.

But it appears that it would be when he was a juvenile so it wouldn't appear in like open records or anything, because I found no evidence of that in any of the and people have dug pretty deep into his into his background, but um man, that would be you know, it's it's fascinating that a lot of the times the best way to dig deep into Alex's background is to just let him talk, Like doing a lot of research can sometimes hurt you, other than corroborating the

dumb ship that he said, like because one of the and that's one of the most fascinating parts about studying Alex Jones is unlike uh, Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity, Alex says the quiet parts loud so much. He's the weakest link of the right wing propaganda machine. So anytime you want to find out what the real goal behind propaganda is, just listen to Alex given a side like, oh, and the Hillary is trying to kill everybody. The reason that I'm saying this is because and then he just

fills in the blank for you, like it's fascinating. He has very little filter and he's frequently drunk on air, So that's part of why he's worth covering to me, because like one of the things when I when I did Alex Jones, a bunch of people on fans on Twitter asked about, like, when am I going to cover Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk of those guys, And the answer is never, because the only people I want to focus on this show are they're all terrible, but there's

something impressive about all of them. They've all like and Alex Jones is an impressive human being. He's a person who was accomplished things that have altered the world. Been Shapiro is like a cheap xerox copy of Alex Jones, Like he doesn't have the courage to be as crazy or racist or violent as Alex Jones, but he still sells supplements like he's just a rip off. Like, yeah, there's no point in covering the rip off. Let's talk

about the real fucking thing. I agree entirely. I mean, there's something I was thinking about, like in terms of our own show, because we we like to try and not just talk about Alex Jones, like to try and cover some other things, and people like Charlie Kirk or Ben Shapiro even or a lot of these guys, they're just as dangerous in many ways, but their beliefs all still boiled down to a lot of this idea of cultural Marxism, the globalist, all of their beliefs tied up

in the very same things that Alex has been covering for twenty years. So they are clearly inspired by Alex, and they're just so much less fun. Ben Shapiro sucks to listen to. He's the worst. Yeah, he's even worse than listening to Paul Joseph Watson. And that is that is a bar so low, it's a floor, right, yeah, sane, it sucks? How much too? How do these guys do it? I don't know, I don't understand. I mean, yeah, it's

it's it's you know what. Let's let's wash the taste of thinking about Paul Joseph Watson out of our heads with another pautiful Alex Jones clip. You want to set this one up? Yeah, this one is that's a good transition, my friend. We have this one for episode. This one is called Alex is freaked Out by American Muslims. And I believe that this um sort of represents you were mentioning that he's kind of a racist biggotty kind of guy.

And Kyle Albert uh and I think that this demonstrates his uh just sort of baseline position a boy people that are different than him. Detroit School to hold Muslim girls only. Prom Let me tell you something he didn't A hundreds of thousands Obama brought in everywhere I went in Austin yesterday, including a suburb. I went in two shops, a Starbucks, and then I went in the pool supply place and they were like seven people in the Starbucks. Three of them were young Muslim girls with hoods over

their heads, drinking coffee after school. Then I went to Pulse of Pope place, same deal. And all I'm telling you is, imagine if you were in Saudi Arabia, and in Sali Arabia they were walking the stores and they were Christians and women with lipstick on and high heels everywhere, they start physically attacking you. But here we're tolerant. I'm just saying, we're letting in people in mass that are not tolerant, that are the most oppressive cult like people

on earth. And it freaks me out. You bet, I'm freaked out that I am. So what's freaking him out is Muslim girls, just teenage teenage girls just at a pulse. And the way he describes I forgot completely that he describes them as Muslim girls in hoods, like not not Muslims girls wearing a job or or anything, just like they're wearing hoods. Like they might even have been wearing a hoodie. They might have just been girls wearing hoodies.

It's it's really and this is like another one of those far right sort of Islamophobic things that frustrates me. Is like, yeah, Saudi Arabia is a garbage country with garbage laws. I've spent a lot of time in the Muslim world doing things that Muslims shouldn't do, like being very, very drunk, and usually the people serving me would be observant Muslims, and they're always just so happy to get you what you want four screwdrivers. I'm just so happy to be able to like treat you as my guest

right now. I just let let me, let me keep pouring this for you, like I've never encountered any uh like not that it doesn't happen in parts of the country, but like in or in parts of the the Arab world, but like as a general rule, I've encountered in my life in the South more Christians who would judge me for not looking like them than Muslims who would judge me for doing something that is forbidden in their faith. Totally. Yeah, that's that's exactly what I've heard from other folks who

had similar experiences. But I have not done too much traveling myself, but it's what I hear. It's never a bad idea to point out that people are not their governments. People are not their governments policies. People are by and large good people. What other people are doing, Yeah, I got my own ship to worry about. What about Oh you're drinking? My daughter is dating a rocker like about fine? Sure, yeah, a Saudi Arabian punk rocker, you know the band? Yeah yeah.

But in that clip, the thing that I think it really is what drives at home for me and is the most the reason why I generally choose this to be indicative of Alex's bigotry. Well, he said a lot of other, maybe much more offensively bigoted things. This one is he's complaining about the idea that Muslims are coming to America and that they're awful or scary to him. In some way, and then he goes on to describe what could be Muslim women doing very American things. Yeah, exactly.

He's talking about people who are uh absorbing our way of life, going to a Starbucks, going to a pool supply shop, and that freaks him out. He's freaked out by the idea of assimilation, not the idea of non assimilation. And I think that's a general truth whenever these people talk about how when whenever they frame it as like, my issue is that these people coming to the country

won't assimilate. No, your issue is that they will. They will become part of the fabric of this country, and both they and the country will change as a result, because that's how the world works. And that's what fucking terrifies you. And your straight white identity won't have as much purchase as it used to. You won't have the

security of power that you once enjoyed. And it's a classic example of him invalidating his own argument with the sentence that's supposed to validate his argument, Like when he says, you know, if you go to Saudi Arabia and you were lipstick, they'll they'll physically attack you. But here we're tolerant, and you're like, no, you just literally said that you didn't want Muslim girls in a pool supply store. What

are you talking about, we'd tolerant. There's nothing there's nothing more sacred to an American than a pool supply store. That actually, you know, I really there's something that just makes me tear up with patriotic vigor when I see a bottle of meriatic acid that really just shivers. Are the only two things that I think America stands for. So I want to hear the rest of your clips.

But this has gone on long enough that we're going to do a an ad pivot, uh, which I I just announced and you shouldn't but by these products and we're back this uh. This clip here is Alex likes to talk about how everyone accuses him of being a Russian agent. He he complains about that all the time. He uh says, it's very unfair. It's a terrible criticism

of him. One of the things that we found when we were looking over turning into being Trump's mouthpiece, we found that he was super into Putin before he was into Trump. Even as he's saying Trump is a mob boss. Basically, he's articulating things along the lines of Putin is like he represents hope for the world and that sort of thing. It's very Russian positive. Would you say that Vladimir Putin was like his gateway autocrat. I think I think he

might have been. Yeah, I'm not sure of any others that I can think of that he sort of full throaded Lee approved of before then. But he he's very much into Russia and Russia's line of propaganda in the world, even before he gets in with Trump. And so in October we found this clip that is really upsetting. H if you consider, um, you know now him saying, I, you know, I have nothing to do with Russia. This

clip is October alex Is debriefed. I mean, we have the big lessons and yes, the Russian government listeners of the show. Then I was told that by RT International, one of their main heads. I'll leave it at that, in a Skype interview where I was told it was

a Skype interview, and it wasn't a Skype interview. Once they cut to me, they started interrogating me in a big table with a bunch of top Russians that and asking me questions, and then they have been threatened to never had me back on our T by the U S government. They were basically asked me who I was, who I worked for, how I could do certain things. And they were asking me if I was a US government agent or who I worked for, and I said I worked for liberty. But that's the level I met.

Where like a James Bond movie, it's not our T. It's a big table in a government building with a bunch of guys staring at me. And I see him on TV sometimes it's like Russian you know, leaders Puttin listens to the show is the point. That's the point I am. I am sure that Vladimir Putin in between Yeah, yeah, I'm certain he's listening to four hour Info Wars episodes in his busy days. It's a birthday thing, like on his birthday, somebody murders a journalist and he listened to

Alex Jones. So that's just a good day, just kind of how Yeah. It's one of the skills that I think you can develop from listening to a ton of this stuff is sort of sussing out when Alex is lying and when he's not um And there's little characteristic flourishes when he lies of like, he really overdoes. So, there were three globalists in a hot tub. He's talking to three globalists. Two of them were wearing lovely suits in the hot tub. The other one was actually wearing

a full suit in the hot tub. And then an info warrior comes in and joins the hot tub group and they're both sitting around the hot tub group. The info warrior says something and he goes Alex Jones, and then the three globalists turned into demons and they fly away. Like that's that's how incredibly detailed his stories are. Whenever

he's making ship up, he gets really granular when he lies. Yeah. Yeah, And so when you when I hear a story like that, um, I hear the ring of truth to the the sort of boring nous of some of the details, and the and the sort of concreteness of it. He goes in for an interview that he thinks is an interview. It's actually some Russian agents who want to talk to him about like, Hey, you're saying a lot of stuff that we're into. Oh, also, let's flatter you and say that

Vladimir Putin is a huge fan of your work. And then he comes away from that being super in favor of Russia's angle in the world, to the point where any time there's uh, the world believes ex Russia believes why he believes why. There's not necessarily it's not necessarily proof that like he works for them or anything like that. That would be crazy, but it is proof that I

think he's been compromised by flattery. I mean, we do know that there's only one there's a there's one degree of separation between Alex Jones and Vladimir Putin because Alex Jones is friends with Steven Seagal, who has been on his show that Seagal is friends with Vladimir Putin. So you could even go with Alexander Dugan. Uh, He's been

on Alex's show multiple times. And right after the election, Alex was on Alexander Dugan's show in Russia where Alex almost cried while Dugan told him that he was the model of an American man and he had single handedly solved American Russian relations. Yeah, I believe Alex broke down and crying and then asked Alexander Dugan to be as head of HR because his his daddy issues are a little bit harsh vacation. So uh, let's get to this mystery.

Let's let's let's let's crack this caper. Okay, So shall I play this clip and then you you um tell me what? Yeah this is. This is a clip that you guys put on your show pretty regularly when you announce your new uh patrion backers and stuff. And it's uh, it's never not hypnotized me into wanting to know what what the context is. So yeah, play the clip and then our our listeners will be curious too. I mentioned this on Saturday to the pulpit that some want someone

sodomite sent me a bucket of poop? Did I tell you all that? And that's what's the name of that clip, that is, Uh, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop? Okay, it's very self explainatory that. So that comes from a sermon or a broadcast that was made by a guy named Reverend James David Manning. Uh three names perfect. Yeah. He used to be a regular guest on Alex's show UM and would come on and talk about how um

Starbucks was putting semen in people's latte's. Uh, there was all kinds of fun conspiracs extra because there's a couple of grands of protein in that. And I can tell you on a day when I'm really no, Okay, well it's a four seventy nine, I'll tell you that. I don't know why, but it's four seventy nine. He Uh, Manning would come on and engage in largely some pretty homophobic, Islamophobic conspiracy theories. Um. And so he's talking about how you know, the gays are so out of control one

of them sent me a bucket of poop. Uh And uh, I just thought that was pretty fun. We did, um, we did an episode about him being on Alex's show and how crazy it is that those worlds intersected. Um. And in doing that episode, we learned that as soon as Trump got elected, Reverend Manning decided this isn't the way to go, and he decided that Trump was the devil and he now calls him tribulation Trump and refuses to go on Alex's show ever. Again, it's not bad,

you know that, that's actually a really satisfying arc. Uh. Yeah, And kudos to that guy for not like like Alex Jones has been inconsistent to a degree because like, you know, he's always been the he's just the whole. The thing that he's supporting the greatest authority in the land now is very much counter to at least this guy's consistent. You know, that's good. I respect that. Tip of the hat to the reverend. Tip of the hat to the reverend.

Uh and he saw the mines listening. If you want to send the guy a bucket of poop, it seems like you can find his address you just google law ministries. Oh man, well, I think that's gonna be our episode for the day. I am very gratefully to you for putting those clips together, and too to both of y'all for sharing your encyclopedic in somewhat frightening knowledge of Alex Jones. I do want to kind of close by asking are y'all worried about him? Because I'm a little worried about

him about his mental and physical health. I'm worried for his kids. Yeah, we're Yeah, that's that's that's sort of where I land on it. Like, if he flames out in self destruct, I'm not really concerned about that. But if you know, if he hurts other people on the way down, then that's kind of I am worried about that. It looks like he could end up really screwing up

some people's lives. I I feel like the same feeling that you get when you start reading a serial killers backstory where you read about the serial killer who killed like eight people. You're like, Oh, this guy's a monster, and then you find out, oh, he was horribly sexually abused as a child and all of this, this just mountainous ride of bullshit happened to him, and then you

kind of start to empathize with this monster. So the more time we spend with Alex Jones, the more you find out that this is most likely a guy who has malignant narcissism with most likely a certain amount of schizophrenia built around it, and unfortunately was introduced to like John Birch society ideas at a young age and didn't really understand what he was reading, and that's shaped him

um as a political actor exactly. So so as somebody who has been like I'm I'm bipolar type one, you know, and there's always an instinct that I have to empathize with somebody who is struggling with something that a you know, suck quote unquote normal people don't have to deal with and at the same time, you know, not everybody with the ship with the shitty childhood becomes a serial killer.

So funk that guy, you know? Yeah, I mean, because you got like the Chabanni guy who sued Alex and then kindly shows not to take control of him Info wars essentially like that guy was a refugee. That guy grew up with some probably a way more difficult childhood than Alex Jones, but rather than turning into a a red anger goblin, became a philanthropist who helps refugees. I'm staunchly anti billionaire to the point of, like we need to start sending Jeff Bezos buckets of poop. But hamdi Olakaya,

he's not a bad guy. If someone's gonna have like I would prefer, we live in a world where nobody accumulate quite that much wealth. But he seems to be one of the ones who's been the most responsible with it. Exactly. Yeah, I think. I think when you focus on helping other people and inclusion and that sort of thing, it sort

of helps your soul. Whereas when you're really obsessed with exclusion in the way that Alex Jones, is it erodes you no matter what, like, no matter how much money you make, no matter how much fame and acclaim you get, it'll just a road you And I think that's the difference between him and someone like Hamdi. I think that's a great note to close out on. So do you guys want to plug your plug doubles before we before we roll on? Absolutely, Like you said to, our website

is knowledge fight dot com. We have some stuff up there, probably more resources coming in the near future of things. Um, we're on iTunes. We are. I am a a I don't know, semi professional stand up comedian. You could probably find me somewhere, I suppose if you're going around, if you're interested in finding comics, you're right, you might stumble upon me. That's my plug. Okay, that's a good plug. That's a good plug. Thanks so much for having us.

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