Qanon Grifter Bill Mitchell (A Crossover Episode)

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have some weird similarities. Is that all of us are people who started paying attention to different sections of eight chan uh several years in the past for reasons that are difficult to explain to anyone, including ourselves, and then found our weird little obsession turned into meaningful news and suddenly had to Field calls from the Washington Post and stuff. Uh super weird, isn't it. We were doing the fun

Nazis and you were doing the real Nazis. Yeah. Yeah, we were doing like the goofiest Knatzi used who believed in like you know, underground tunnels and ye know, and uh coming military trimbunals. It was fantastical and the body count was relatively low, so that that that makes our work I think a little bit more entertaining. Yeah, and imagine like a war where the only guy who died

was a mob boss. Yeah, pretty pretty good. And uh, in case some listeners don't know, both the the neo Nazis on h Chan who were responsible for all those mass shootings and the people who are kind of like driving the Q and on movement are are We're located on eight Chan at different sections. There was the Q research board, which is obvious what that was, and then there's the poll board, which is where all the Nazis were. There was a bit across pollination, but as not as

much as some people think. I know it was. It's like, um, it's like those old Gary Larson cartoons, um, where they would show you know, it would be like the skydiving school and then like the crocodile farm right next to it. Yeah, for for the for the real Nazis. They looked at the Q and On board and they're like, nah, that that looks like vulcans occultism, dude, we left that behind. Yeah,

it's funny. On the on the Q research board, on every single thread, someone posted of some like really heavily anti Semitic ship about like the Jewish question um and stuff, and they actually wound up blaming me. They thought that I was sort of seeding this information to try to make them look the more anti Semitic they actually are.

I was not denied it. That's become common theme. They also thought that we brought um, that we brought plants to the Q and On rally a couple of weeks ago to make them, to make them look stupider and and than they already are. My favorite is Jocas Aben of the Lines Led by Donkeys podcast. He responded to our tweet where where it was like me pictured with all these Q and On influencers, and he was like

did they know that? Like you were the host of qu on anonymous and then one of the influencers answered did they care? But it was too late he had replied, so he clearly showed that he cared. So sad and I was like, clearly they did, and no answer to that. That's adorable. Well, today we're here to talk about somebody who is not adorable. Uh, we're here to talk about Bill Mitchell. Um who is uh I don't know, iluminary of the of the Q movement. That's not the right

term to use at all for Bill Mitchell. Nothing should describe him as aluminary. How would you describe Bill Mitchell? I think he's luminous. If you look at him, everything is just like a pale light. It just fucking blows out your eyes. He's the white Wizard of Maga. I think, yeah, I once uh, I think I once described him as looking like a child who has a secret. Totally. Well, Bill is an interesting piece of ship and we're gonna

have fun talking about him today. Um So, Billiam Mitchell, I've decided that's his real first name because I can't find like a middle name or anything for him, So so we're gonna go with Billiam was born in nineteen sixty one or thereabouts, somewhere in Germany. His father was an army colonel, his mother was a college professor. Now on Twitter, Bill has claimed that his dad wound up working for the Joint Chiefs in the Pentagon at one point and served in Koba in Vietnam. It's possible this

is true. It's also possible it's a lie because Bill Mitchell lies constantly. There's really no way to know. Yeah, as a general rule, I like to have as much info as I can about these people's early lives, and unfortunately, in Bill's case, there's not a lot of information to go on. There aren't any super detailed profiles that delve into his early life and background, and it kind of seems like he doesn't want to go into much detail

about it, which is understandable. Uh. He graduated from the University of Maryland in nineteen eighty two with a degree in accounting and finance and was apparently a big theater buff, which you can really see in his videos. Clearly a guy who likes putting on a show. Jesus start superstar kind of guy. Yeah. Yeah, if you haven't looked at this, dude, you owe it to yourself. He has like the perfect executive hair, um like like this, this white bowl on

his head, very distinguished looking. And he has a chin like Jean Claude van Damme if he didn't exercise. Is how I would describe his chin. Uh, chiseled and flabby at the same time, which is very difficult to pull off. He border character. I was gonna say, he looks like a like a character you might create and like g t a online like he looks like he looks like if you played Fallout, the robot president who would like speak over the radio. If that guy was a person,

he would look like Bill Mitchell. Yeah now Bill, Yeah, like I said, lifelong Republican. In the nineteen nineties, he fell in love with Ross Perot as a businessman, he himself he liked the idea of having the country run by businessman and uh, I think that that's a thing only businessman thing. I don't think members of other professions

tend to think one of us should run the entire country. Yeah, well, you're you're you're accustomed to uh telling other people what to do, if you're like a CEO, then this, like the president, is just another variation of that. I guess, yes, yes, And clearly corporations and countries have the same goal. Uh, maximizing shareholder value. Yeah now um. For the most part, politics played a fairly minor role in Bill's life, and he focused instead on his career running an executive recruitment

firm he founded. Has no wife or children. He threw everything into his work back when it's still existed. His company website executive decision dot biz You've gotta be kidding me. Dot com not available? No, No, he could get dot biz baby dot z Yeah, the classiest domain. Um. He bragged that his bold, proactive style quote empowers clients to acquire the finest staff on target, on time, every time.

In a BuzzFeed profile in two thousand sixteen, Charlie Warzel noted quote his Yahoo answers profile, stretching back more than a decade, paints a fuller picture across hundreds of questions and answers. Mitchell reveals a successful recovery from colon cancer, a frequent desired for feedback on whether or not to color his graying hair, and endless mundane curiosities ranging from the silly why do Jack Russell owners all look like

they want to kill themselves? Would a bumble bee? The size of a man be able to fly to the more existential. What is intuition and how often is it correct? Why not pick create a condom that covers just the top bench of your penis he and uh, he and Matthew Whittaker should get together and team up. I love that the guy has never tried just not pulling it all the way down, just like you can test that

out yourself. Bill. I. I love that you say that because it means that you and Bill had the exact same thought at some point, but you translated into action. That is slander, sir. I like to pull my condom all around my balls. Wait this, Uh, these Yahoo answers are like a treasure troue because I remember when when we I tried to do some dig up some research on Mitchell and the same thing. It was really hard to find. But like hearing these answers, it's like looking

at it's like okay Cupid profile or something like. I feel you could get to know the man. Yeah, Charlie Warzel is a good journalist and did a good job of digging into this guy. So in the midas, Bill moved to Charlotte, North Carolina. Charlotte, I said it Charlotte, which is very wrong. I don't know why Charlotte, North Carolina. He was there in two fifteen when Donald Trump, famous rapist slash casino owner, wrote down the elevator of his

skyscraper to announce the start of a presidential campaign. Watching at home, Bill Mitchell saw an opportunity. He had no history and entertainment at this point, or political journalism. His social media presence was minimal. He had less than a hundred followers. But Bill was inspired by Donald Trump, and he had something that no real journalist or pundit could possibly have, a bone deep, perfect, almost religious certainty that Donald Trump was going to win the election. So chilling

to see. It's chilling to see the parallels with Jake. Yeah, he has a platform and before two thousand sixteen nothing, My hair is going gray. Yeah, yeah, it's Uh, there's a lot of us who are in vaguely similar boats to Bill Um just because we live in a hell age where where all expertise has collapsed in on itself. And so anybody who's good at tweeting, Uh, you can. You can write Washington Post articles under a fake name.

It's a whole new world. We are the news now say yes, yes, and it's uh, nothing but positives to that being the case. So Bill started tweeting, because what else are you gonna do? You're certain of something that nobody else believes. He tweeted his herd and as fast as anyone has ever tweeted before. Over the course of the election, he posted an average of two hundred and seventy times per day. How did you pull up these metrics,

Charlie Warzel did, like put that together? I guess, yeah, it's that's so many tweets like I'm I I spent too We all spend too much time on Twitter. That is way too much. Five minutes, but that's if you did over twenty four hours. You gotta sleep right well, I mean, how does he keep his figure? I mean I would imagine that he would look like like the fat people strapped to the floating chairs and Wally, you know, just glued to his phone going like mag I'm I

don't think he eats. I think he subsists entirely on the energy he gets from hot takes, hot takes in cocaine. Uh So some of his best takes, collected by Mr Warzl, are as follows. You notice how close. Trump stands to this black man as he listens to him. No racist whatever to that. If you think about it, Hillary putting women into baskets maybe one of the most sexist things ever set in a political campaign. Trump's ground game isn't in a computer, It's in our hearts. Imagine poles don't exist.

Show me evidence Hillary is winning. Jesus was perfect in the media of his day. Had him crucified. Paco's pilot was Rupert Murdoch. Yeah, ponscious pilot was the Fox New World. I guess CNN of King Herod was actually um Jake Tapper. Well, now that's not even a conspiracy. Jake Tapper is eternal, like we've all that is true. Yes, that's true. And Chris Chris Cuomo is is closing in slowly. He will

be eternal soon. Yeah, the the entire history of the world, it's like the Dark Tower series, but instead of those the characters Stephen King came up with, it's just Jake Tapper and uh fucking Haraldo Rivera like battling throughout time to God's muscles, rippling falling through clouds. Well you know what you trace back Messopotamia. Then Jesus probably looked a

lot more like Haraldo Rivera than he did. Oddly enough, Jesus was also hit in the face with a chair during an episode of his talk a chair he built. So Bill Mitchell started a podcast, Your Voice Radio, where he expanded upon his political theories and talked to other Trump world luminaries like Jack Piso Bik. In his interview with BuzzFeed, Bill described Your Voice as a number one political talk show, even though it only racked up a few thousand downloads per episode. I can't say precisely how

popular it is now. But Spreaker, which is a podcasting platform, says the whole series has about five eighty one thousand total streams, which isn't bad, but is nowhere near number one. Um, not even particularly close. We have double that on soundclod. Yeah, I get about that much in a week. Um, and we're not a number one podcast. Like see boys, I told you it was going to be a good collaboration. Meanwhile, Bill Mitchell's listening and he's like, oh, I thought it

was pretty good. But there's only about three hundred thousand people in the world. Bill social media presence quickly grew from the hundreds to the thousands and then to the tens of thousands. Uh. And like I think by the time that BuzzFeed article was done, like kind of near the end of the election, he had about ninety thousand Twitter followers. Now, Bill's Twitter work was way more popular

than his number one political talk show. In fact, he grew to become one of the single most influential people in the two thousand sixteen election. And I hate that. I'm serious about that. Uh. The M I T Media Lab like crunched a bunch of numbers on it and found him to be the twenty six most influential person on Twitter of the entire election, accusing this by pedophiles incredible.

He's the highest ranked non politician or a journalist. To give you some idea of how good Bill was it Twitter, he wound up one place below Mitt Romney, one place above the official GOP Twitter account, two places above Megan Kelly, three above the Drudge Report, four above Paul Ryan, and five above former President George W. Bush. So you gotta give he's good at Twitter. Even though I owe my being able to do this podcast to Twitter, I because of stuff like that. I would not object to just

burning Twitter to the ground. Yeah, yes, yes, does Bill Mitchell even know these stats about himself? I mean, this is I feel like he would be. Of course, Bill Mitchell wakes up every morning touching himself to these. So he credits his success at Twitter with his skill at using language. Quote, I've always been clever with words as a recruiter. I make my living as a communicator. I'm good with word images and painting pictures with a short

phrase here and there that people can relate to. When asked how much time he spends making his tweets, he dis missed the idea that there's you know, any planning mind them. I'm just firing the thoughts out as I come to them. I have an interesting take, you see. I delve into the internals and really tell people what's going on, and it's given me some fame. Now. As ab served as Bill seems to most people, he clearly has a gift for communicating with a very specific segment

of the American populace. But the last month of the election, he averaged forty retweets and ten million Twitter impressions per day. Holy sh it. Yeah, that's terrified, and it's really evidence that the key is to just never stop posting, um, never stopped posting, and never always pander, pander and post Right. He actually spends all day just opening um Chinese fortune cookies and just tweeting that out. Yeah yeah, that it's

that's actually really close to what he is. Um. He also credited his success to the fact that he speaks for a chunk of the American populace that even the conservative media never let to speak. Quote. These are the people who call into rush Limbaugh and who hold on the line and never get on air. My tweets cut on because I was saying out loud and using my talent for words to say what they wanted. Like, I speak for the people that Rush Limbaughs, Like y'all are

fucking nuts. Yes, the tweets you pull up while you're waiting for a fucking opioid addicts to answer the line. Oh boy. So while most of Bill's followers seem to be committed Trump fans who appreciated his takes, a sizeable number of them were liberal hate watchers, gleefully watching bills increasingly unhinged predictions and laughing at him. They took particular joy and mocking his attitude towards Poles do you see Do you see what you did, Travis, Do you see

what you've done to this country? Very funny looking at these guys and now they're president. Very funny, these guys, these guys who have no influence on my life until until they do, until they run the country. This tweet is pretty emblematic of the kinds of things he was saying in the months leading up to the election. This is from August two thousand sixteen. A poll is a hypothesis. Rallies and social media presence are empirical evidence. A hypothesis

unsupported by empirical evidence is wrong. Yeah, oh yeah, And you bring up Nate Silver. Absolutely beautiful. Just the guy, the data guy, data boy, the data man. Now. Nate Silver responded to this tweet with a tweet set to the tune of John Lennon's imagine imagine there's no polls. It's easy if you try. No puwre quinnipac on crowd size we rely, which is not not a bad joke, but he ironically right, like I would love it if they fucking eliminated the polls and actually looked at the

groundswell of people. Yeah, yeah, Bill was actually way more in the right than the Nate on this one, which is weird. Um Like, even as a guy who doesn't like Nate Silver, it's very unfortunate. Um. And in fact Bill kind of developed a reputation for being the right wings Nate Silver equivalent. While Nate was wonky, evidence focused and data driven, Bill Mitchell ran on pure gut instinct. The divide between the two men's methodologies embodied the divide

between conservative and liberal in America. For his part, Bill attacked the polls for being fundamentally flawed and complained that they didn't really represent voters in the election. Since so many of Trump's voters had been a political before two thousand sixteen, they weren't the sort of folks posters talked to. He argued that crowd size was a better predictor. Quote if you arrived here from Mars today and you didn't speak English, but you saw Trump every single day of

the week at these rallies. He's dominating online, he's dominating yard signs and rallies and all the physical things we can see. You'd think this guy is winning. If it were up to me, i'd make polling illegal. This is just my dream world. Yeah, He's like, polling doesn't matter. We should make it illegal. Yeah, band poles um And I'm a fucking Martian that like came to like discovered a new fucking planet. And the first thing I do is like wander into a Maga rally. He actually does

look like a Martian wearing a skin suit. Yeah. And if if a Martian wandered into a Maga rally, oh boy, here, get about it. Here, he's a literal alien. He's a literal illegal alien. Oh boy. Now. Bill's level of connection to the Trump campaign was heavily debated. For his part, he claimed to be in regular contact with the Trump

brothers and several other workers on the campaign. Digging done by Buzzfeeds Charlie Warzell indicated that this was not the case, and instead suggested that most of the people close to Trump found him fundamentally irritating. Quote. He thought he was going to be in charge of a Trump group in North Carolina months ago, and when he got there he found out he wasn't in left deciding not to be

a part of source said. Mitchell plays this down, alleging that he volunteered to run so social media for the campaign in North Carolina, but quit after a few weeks,

deciding his personal account was more helpful to the campaign. Still, one source believes there's tension between Mitchell and the campaign, explaining that earlier this year, Trump advisor and social media director Dan Scovino unfollowed Mitchell after an incessant series of Twitter direct messages filled with pointers about how wrong they were doing social media. Um yeah, yeah, and I'm not gonna say that Bill is wrong there. Uh, he might be better than so at social media than anyone Trump

actually paid to do the job. Uh, but that's how politics works. I mean, Bill Mitchell is is is a never ending tweet storm. It's like if yees, if fucking Seth Abramson never took a breath, that would be just gave me the fear. Now. In that BuzzFeed article, Charlie declared Bill to be the post truth, postmath anti Nate Silver. It was not an unfriendly depiction, but the clear implication was that he was a bit of a nut and November two thousand sixteen was going to prove all of

his silly predictions wrong. And as we all know, that did not happen. But Thursday after the election, Bill texted Charlie and asked, Hi, Charlie, will BuzzFeed be doing a post truth follow up article on me? Smiley face now. To his credit, Charlie Warstle fessed up to being owned

pretty hard by Bill Mitchell. He did, in fact write a follow up article which revealed that Bill had spent election night alone in his home studio interacting with his Twitter followers, who by that point numbered nearly a hundred and fifty thousand. So because of his kind of relentless uh predictioning I don't know what you want to call it,

Bill was treated as sort of an oracle. In the immediate wake of Trump's upset election victory, he took the opportunity to try to rebrand himself as a political pundit. He told Charlie Warzl that he thought Jared Kushner would hire him to work at Trump TV, which was the thing he thought would exist very soon. Bill raised ten thousand dollars for his YouTube show and got his radio

show syndicated on Cleveland a M Radio. Since his first set of predictions had worked so well, he started making many, many more like this one. I think the Wall will become the next great American monument. Like the Statue of Liberty Wall is a monument to our sovereignty. That's what I'd say if I were on his marketing team. That's amazing, because that's like the Great Wall of China if you couldn't walk on it. Yeah, yeah, if it had like

no aesthetic value and also wasn't an impressive technical creation. Uh, now you know it is an impressive technical creation. Guys, what the products and services that that support this podcast? Uh? Pat, you fucking waited for us to say what this is incredible? And and and notice that Julian and Travis said nothing, and me, the fucking like the village idiot, was like, yes, well tell me more. Yeah, this is how we fucking sell some goddamn dick pills. So congratulations, y'all are now

part of the erection industrial complex. I hope you're proud. I'm just glad this week it's dick pills products. We're back. Okay, we're still talking about Bill Mitch uh be Mitch old Bill. I can't come up with a good nickname for Michell Mitchell Bitchell. Damn it. How did that not occur to me? I feel very ashamed of this fact. So a few months after the election, Bill showed up at Spack and Seeing and declared him the happiest man at the convention,

which was probably a true. I'm gonna quote from their article on him. I'm kind of a national figure now, Mitchell said in an interview over Breakfast. Mitchell said he took a big pay cut to launch his radio show about six months ago. He's now in talks with a number of investor groups about syndicating the program Your Voice Radio,

which currently streams on YouTube. To me, I'm fifty six years old, Mitchell said, this is a wonderful opportunity to self actualize, to do something that really matters to him. He's fifty six to u. But unfortunately for Bill and many other right wing grifters who hoped the Trump years would bring them tremendous wealth and power, he proved to be somewhat less adept once he moved on from simply cheerleading a Trump victory and tried to build a brand

as a right wing thought leader. His first terrible mistake in January of two thousand seventeen was attacking Pepe. Yeah, did you guys know? Bill went to war with Pepe? Briefly? I did not know, yeah, he really gave away his sort of like his boomer tendency is there. This is what happens when you give our topics to a real journalist. He plays to us. So he tweeted on January second, you know what, I'm really sick of this damn green frog. Who the hell thought it was a good mascot? Uh? Yeah?

The war on the mouse and Chuck e cheese Yeah, Bill um. Now, like anyone who attacks the kind of things that are popular with Channers, Bill was delused in a flood of hateful comments. Janners started making fake Bill Mitchell tweets which portrayed him as a Hall of Cost denier, because that's like the only the only thing in their bag is like, well, let's make him into a Holocaust denier, you know now, Rather than you know, analyze the movement he'd become a part of and acknowledged that it had

a hateful side, Bill took a different tactic. He decided to brilliam Holocaust survivor George Soros for the fake accounts. I'm being attacked by thousands of accounts that didn't even exist during the election, Almost no followers astroturfed Soros bs incredible. Yeah. In another tweet, he called them soro spots. Um so, yeah, very so. He decided to like counter accusations of being extremely santi Semitic by being more dog whistley anti semitic. Yeah yeah, he sure did. Yeah, he sure did, which

is a bold move. Um. Yeah. You gotta respect the the ability to zig and zag. Yeah. And you can see those the non tendencies starting to bubble to the surface. Yeah yeah, And he he gets closer and closer to that as the years go on. As the last three years have played out, he's increasingly, uh, sort of sold himself to the most extreme chunks of the American right wing. In late two thousands seventeen, he started tweeting about Q

and On Now. Bill has always seemed less enthralled with the specifics of the Q and On conspiracy or the individual Q drops than he was with the cults recklessly pro Trump version of reality. On one episode of his radio show, he said this, what Q was trying to do is motivate and encourage the base by what is their hashtag? Trust the plan? What's the alternative to that question? In doubt everything Donald Trump does. Constantly attack Donald Trump

from all these different sides. Every time he makes a move that you and your linear small mind don't understand that he and his strategic mind is setting up the board for a win. But you don't get it. He sacrifices his night because he's planning on checkmating your king in five moves. But all of a sudden you go out there and you're freaking out and pulling an end culture on him. Is that what we should be doing? What would make it better? Would that be a better world?

Would that make us more mega? What do you want? What do you want? They're like, Oh, you're lowering us into a false sense of security by giving you confidence in Trump that Trump has got a plan to know what the hell he's doing in all this? How does that low anyone into a false sense of confidence? That is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard in the world. I can't he's successful because I can't remember the first sentence. Well, basically, I think, I mean, correct

me if I'm wrong. But basically, instead of when somebody says trust the plan, instead of being like, well, what what's the plan, he's like, well, he's like, what I mean, what else are you gonna do? Not trust in not trust the unknown plan, Like, what do you think? He's just a senile boomer tweeting and random and yelling at people. Are you gonna what are you gonna think? What do you think there's not some sort of preordained celestial influence that's guiding all of this? Uh jeez, yeah, it's um,

it's quite something to watch now. In other tweets, Bill has described the Q and On movement as harmless fun and having o downside, and it's worth noting that both of those tweets were made after several separate Q and On believers committed murders or other attacks in ques name. Just this, just this. Last August, Bill tweeted, if Q and on is wrong, it's harmless fun. If Q and on is right, the deep state is screwed. I like

those odds. To be fair to Mitchell, he only checks the news when he's not tweeting, so he hasn't read the news in like ten years. I also like that he like it's just more evidence he has no idea what odds are, like, like fundamentally doesn't understand what the word means. That makes it more powerful though ironically, Yeah, yeah, it's he's like Han Solo. Yeah, he's so dedicating being the anti anti Nate Silver. He doesn't even understand how numbers work. When I you know, if he really is

the anti Nate Silver. One of my goals for the next year because I expect albeit at an event we're both Bill Mitchell and Nate Silver are present, I want to try and mash them together. I think if they make physical contact, they might explode and destroy us. All let's save the greater universe. Yeah, that's my goal. Or create free energy for all of us, or create free energy. Yeah, that might be the solution to global warming. Is just like tie Nate Silver and Bill Mitchell together and stick

them in some sort of crude reactor. Yeah, they're like, it's it's like you know what positive and negative battery that you just if you glue them together and sort of yeah, stuff them under some sort of fission reactor. Yeah, that this is the key to to like free energy. Yeah, Nate Silver and Bill Mitchell mashed together like fucking Reese's

Pieces sixty nine. Baby. Now, someone with a charitable opinion towards Bill might be inclined to suggest that he didn't believe all the media hype about the q movements increasingly violent rhetoric, but Bill's own rhetoric has grown increasingly violent in the years since Trump's election. This past May, on an episode of Your Voice America, he stated that Democrats

really have become the party of Satan. He asked his followers to pray for their president to have the wisdom of God as he fights against the dem on might of the Democratic Party. At this point, we are fighting against evil. He went on to add, this feels like the last day. Sometimes it's because he's just alone in his basement with his run out of food. Yeah, it's

it's remarkable. I I love the idea that the Democrats are the party of the devil because it gives them so much power than they actually have, as opposed to being like the party that roughly forty people in the United States are passionate about and the rest are just like, well, they're not literal Nazis, so I guess this is the best. But yeah, it's it's it's if only I wish Nancy Pelosi would embrace Baha met like on an altar in front of the Senate Like that would be such such

a great day. I'm here for that. Yeah, alas she starts sacrificing chickens. Now, I'm going to quote from a right wing Watch article on Bill Now quote Mitchell said the fact that he has repeatedly called Democrats the party of Satan on Twitter, and no Democrats have replied to dispute the claim as evidence that he is right. Never once. He said. It's like in their contract, they're not allowed to deny it. I don't know, it's weird. Yeah, they

sacrificed children. You know, people people with a contract with Satan can't lie about their other contract with Satan. Well. No, Satan is commonly known as the Prince of Truth. That's what everybody calls him. Yeah, it's like with cops. If you ask them, are you a cop? They have to say, and they have to tell you if they worship Satan. Yeah, exactly, both of those things are true about cops. So uh.

Less than a week before I wrote this article, in September of two thousand nineteen, Bill Mitchell started trying to sell Trump branded bullets to his four Twitter phone. He retweeted a link to the Republican Legions store selling Punisher Trump branded nine millimeter hollow points. He wrote, retweet if you believe in the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms. Right above a picture of the box, which of course features a punish your skull with Donald Trump's

wig atop it. It's Donald Trump has ever fired a gun in his life? I kind of doubt it. I think he would be frightened and confused. Like, yeah, that's like, that's like a picture of Louis Farrick, Louis Farrick Caannon and just being like, retweet if you think black people should be equal. Yeah, it's amazing. Um, the actual like

tweet itself. Like in the link to the store, you can see, like the first few words available in the store's website are, if you want to ensure your Second Amendment rights remain intact, you're gonna need some ammunition, which is not at all a call for violence. Boy, Now, this was a clear violation of Twitter's terms of service, since you aren't allowed to sell firearms and ammo via the site. But more to the point, it seems to be a pretty fucking clear call on Bill's part towards

violence against the president's enemies. That Republican Legion websites selling the Bullet States America is on the verge of another civil war and warns that conservatives are facing economic terrorism from the left. Now that website Republican Legion is registered to a guy named Richard Granville. Y'all, y'all know who Richard Granville is. Yes, he is the CEO of Yippie dot Com. He sure is. It's also Bill Mitchell's boss. Now.

Um See, while that sweet deal working for Jared Kushner never quite worked out, Bill was hired by Granville's company, Yippie,

which bills itself is essentially a conservative alternative to Google. Um, and this gig that Bill has now is evidence that Mitchell has fully embraced the tactic of shamelessly grifting his audience for as much cash as he can convince them to fork over those stupid Trump branded bullets, for instance, cost for fifty rounds of nine millimeter, which is two to three times as expensive as comparative like high end ammunition, and like five times as expensive as like just normal

rounds of nine millimeter like I get him for like eight or nine bucks for a box of fifty for target rounds like ridiculously overpriced just ice cube. Leaning in, well, it appears this man just wanted to make America great again. Yeah so uh in selling Donald Trump bullets is actually one of the least grifty things Mitchell has gotten involved

with over the last year. In May of two thousand nineteen, he started to go fund me, saying he wanted to move his online show to Washington, d C, so he could talk with movers and shakers of the conservative movement on a regular basis. This is his best thing he's ever done. I love this so much. It's it's kind

of brilliant. The money was billed as covering moving costs and helping him set up a high end studio in d C. On May six, he tweeted, this, one great thing about living in d C will be that all my political friends from around the country all eventually go there, so I get to see everyone. Smiley face. Now, Bill came very close to his fifteen thousand dollar fundraising goal. He made fourteen thousand, two hundred and eighty dollars, and then rather than moving to d C, he moved to

Miami instead. Fucking, king, king, king legend. That's an incredible grift. Yeah, Well, to be fair, those seven hundred extra dollars would have made the difference. M Yeah, everyone knows it takes fifteen grand exactly to move to Washington, d C. Yeah, and any anything less you you're trying to get to d C,

but you somehow just end up in Florida. It's like the prices, It's like the price is right if you overshoot him back too, you know, yeah, yeah, overshoot you end up in New York, like yeah, yeah, So Bill winds up in Miami and many of Bill's friends other conservative pundits attacked him for this. The right wing internet descended on Bill Mitchell to accuse him of grifting his fans. For his part, Bill expressed no contrition. I think he

never explicitly. He's totally shaved about this. Like again, he's he's as consistent about not giving a funk that he grifted his fans as he was about claiming Trump was going to win the election. So at least, like he goes whole hog on all this ship. And he's a fucking business guy. Like you think you think he could just not take the fifteen k, like it just destroys his reputation for fifteen k, Like you think he has a bit more disposable cometan he could just return that

money and be like, sorry, guys, I'm going to Florida. Julian. He sat there in front of his computer watching that little green bar just freeze at, you know, just sweat, and he just watching watching ethereum crash. He's like, fuck me, I'm gonna have to keep these fifteen Huh. Miami's looking pretty good, boys. Yeah. Well, to be fair, he he fucking went to Washington, d C. To like try to find a home. He tried the coke and he was like, fuck this, boys, I'm going to Miami. Ye yeah, yeah,

that's actually really close to what Bill claims. So he claimed he never explicitly said on the go fund me that this was for a move to d C, even though he tweeted constantly about that being the reason for the go fund me, and so since she hadn't written that into the go fund me itself, it was fine for him to use the money for whatever the funk

he wanted. When other conservatives dragged him on Twitter, he justified his decision by pointing out that Miami has better weather than d C. DC gets maybe four nice months a year, Miami gets ten, for sake. Yes, yes, yes, yes, mem You're completely correct, yeah, you kind of have to love that. Um, I don't know that just like shameless level stealing from your fans. Yeah, just just total contempt

for the people who support you. I mean, I mean they, I mean, like all the sort of like the grifters have it, but to this level where you just take money for one thing and just not do it all and just say fuck you and just walk away with the cash and you still like a public figure. Yeah, he's a king. Absolutely, it's an an Actually, I'm not kidding. It makes me happy to think of this, Like, I fucking love him for this. I think he's a positive force on the in the universe. More people on the

right should take k to destroy their own reputation. Absolutely, Uh, it's it's It's just beautiful. Um. And I have no doubt that Bill spending it on a combination of nose candy and cryptocurrency is a better use for the money than I don't know, his fans buying more Trump branded bullets with it. If you unscrew the top of the bullet, there's a special holder for your cocaine. Are you suggesting, sir, that Bill Mitchell has gotten into brown round round round? Yeah? No, no, no, no, no, no.

If I apologize, I take it back. I kind of think he might be um Now. Bill also claimed that, for reasons he could not divulge, being based out of Miami would actually be better for his political journalism than being based in d C. He tweeted, this is a much better location for the show, based upon too many reasons to explain. Here, better studio, much better distribution, far far more reach, much more influenced. Wasn't even a close call. This is the MAGA spot. But yeah, he's sucking right,

He's sucking right. Trump made maral Lago. It's more central to the fucking country than washing the DC White House. Yeah, you you can't say he's entirely off base in that, even though he is absolutely grifting his followers. Him and Jeffrey Epstein knew that this was a better place to

own a mansion. Jeffstein um Now in another defensive tweet, They'll explained, during my work to relocate to d C several trips, I was made an offer which will position me to literally change the social media experience for everyone in the Trump family. That's exciting, isn't it. Yeah? You know what else is exciting? What God motherfucking pivots. This

is how I griffed my audience. So if you want to buy some I don't know, Nancy Pelosi themed bullets, that might be the next ad, although almost certainly not daily cost just drops off bullets. It's just it's hard to make a good punisher skull out of her hairstyle. Um. So yeah, there's the marketing team's really had trouble. Um. Oddly enough, the Bernie Sanders m O sells incredibly well. Um,

but yeah, there you go, so products we're back now. Uh. That offer, which Bill claimed was going to completely change the social media experience of the entire Trump family was his new job with Yippie, And so far the search engine has had zero discernible impact on the social media experience of the Trump family or the whier Internet. Uh. In fact, it's kind of hard to even figure out how to search with Yippi. Um, Like, it's not like

using yandek. There's something where you just like type it in like it's it's it seems to be a pain in the ass. Um they're gonna look back on this era and be like Dan, it was crazy to watch the two the two, uh, the two big entities. The two titans, Yippie and Bing go head to head. Hippie is so small that even Bing gets to make fun of it. Um and and Bing is just three guys in a basement in Redmond crying most of the day.

Uh yeah now um. Back in August, Bill Mitchell was briefly booked to be a speaker at the Digital Soldiers Conference, a one day Q and AN event that was supposed to be held in Atlanta this September. It was Bill I P R I P. It was billed as an event to help organize patriotic social media warriors for a

digital civil war against censorship and suppression. Event was organized by Bill's boss, Richard Granville, who firmly denied the event was in any way tied to Q and ON, despite the fact that the logo for the event was literally an American flag with all of the stars shaped into a giant Grandville, we want our fucking thousand dollars back for our fucking plane tickets, asshole. Did you actually book plane tickets for that thing? No? Good, we did, we did,

we did, solid Griffin. Wow, Well, I hear Atlanta's lovely in September Now, Grandville claimed that the three stars making up q's tail were actually a reference to Michael Flynn, a three star general, and had nothing to do with Q at on, which is solid lie man. The file name on that image was Q dash flag dot j peg. Amazing, amazing. Yes, and I've heard, I've heard the three stars stand for the Holy Trinity. Yeah, what are those again? Jake, the Father,

the Son, and the Holy Ghost? Yeah you did, except isn't it Holy Spirit? Holy Ghost? Like a Catholic boy gratulation, Good job money, You're not Jewish anymore now. Thankfully that event was canceled, and as of late, Bill seems to be making a moderately concerted effort to slightly distance himself from the Q movement. This may have something to do with all of the mash shooting. Spawn by eight Chance,

the website which also hosted the Q research board. On September eighteenth, Bill tweeted this, The media loves to say I'm this big que and on guy, I'm really not. I don't follow QUE post regularly and never have. I agree with their premise that we should trust the plan. Is it mirrors slow walker? Hashtag slow walker in many ways and the Q people, I actually know love Trump. That's it. But you literally cannot read a media article about me that doesn't begin Bill Mitchell major Q and

on conspiracy theorist. It's comical because it's such bullshit. Q does Q I do me? Now? Have y'all ever heard of hashtag slow walker? Yes? Yes, I actually have not tell me about this. Slow Walker is essentially Bill Mitchell's bargain basement rip off of Q and on. Uh. It's it's him trying to make his own Q and ON. The basic idea is that Trump and Jeff Sessions were putting together a slow, deliberate plan to unravel the deep state, and originally Bill thought this was all going to come

to fruition. During the mid terms, he came to have come up with this idea via quote the holmesy and method of deduction. I do believe he was smoking a pipe of some sort when he came up with this idea, but I don't think it was tobacco. Now, when the mid terms came and went and Jeff Sessions left, you may have expected Bill to have pulled back from his pet conspiracy theory. If so, you don't know Bill Mitchell.

He never pulls back from any theory, and early September two thousand nineteen, he quote tweeted President Trump, absolutely nothing is more important than going back and getting to the bottom of the origins of the investigation. We had an administration using America's spying apparatus to spy on a political opponent at the height of a presidential election, so Mitchell says, to this, President Trump says, the Muller investigation was one

of my great achievements. And then he says this, I mean, could he foreshadow the closing act of this hashtag slow walker play any harder? Buckle up, Democrats? It gets rough from here. Based upon this statement, I am now more convinced that hashtag slow walker and hashtag trust the Plan are a hundred percent real. Else why would Trump call the in Mueller investigation his greatest achievement? Yeah that's it. Uh. Jold Cola tastes really good as well as Coca cola. Yeah,

it's amazing. Uh, It's just amazing. Now. There really is so much more I could say about Bill Mitchell, but I feel like the right place to end this little rite up is by discussing what I think maybe his very worst take of all time, which is There's a lot of competition for that, but this one is just staggeringly good. Back in February of this year, on an episode of Your Voice America, Bill declared that racism was not a huge problem in America and said white privilege

does not exist. Out He wasn't just saying that out of his ass. He had evidence for this statement, and his evidence was this deeply compelling anecdote about something he'd experienced that very weekend quote. I stopped by the grocery store and did some grocery shopping. I went around, did some various things, drove around in the car, so far and so forth, interacted with people. I saw Black Americans,

I saw Hispanic Americans, I saw Asian Americans. And you know what I didn't see all day, not once, not one time, racism. I saw no racism. I saw no black people being asked to get in the back of the line. I saw no Hispanic people being denied service. I saw no racism anywhere. You know why, because racism is not a huge problem in America today, I'm sure some liberals heads are exploding, asking how could Bill Mitchell say that racism is not a huge problem in America?

I'm saying it. Racism is not a huge problem in America. They talk about white privilege. I'm still waiting to be able to cash in on my white privilege. Where is it. I haven't gotten anything in life that I didn't work hard for when I go to check in the Yeah, it's fun, grand piece of ship, guys, Guys, I think this is a clear example of blues clusion deduction. I mean he did he tweeted two hundred and seventy times a day to get that fifteen grand Yeah. His fingers

are just a pulp. Uh. And that is my write up of Bill Mitchell. Beautiful stuff. Wow, he is such a beautiful boy. Yeah, he's an incredible piece of shit. I mean, I what what stuns me most about is like he was trying to deny that he is a q and on guy. I mean he interviewed Praying Medic

on his show. Yeah, you don't get more que and on than that, and he's basically come up with this like bullshit, like parallel theory that's exactly the same where he's like he's like que and on a little too obscure, and and then he comes up with kind of like a like an off brand Stephen King novel sort of title like slow Walker, Like it's just the unbelievable bullshit. Yeah, it's it's pretty it's pretty amazing. Um, I like, I don't even know what else to say. Uh that that's

all I've got on fucking Bill Mitchell. Um, you know I think that it's really it's Bill Mitchell is like you know, the the election of President Donald Trump was like it was like this. It was like the lamentation or the lament configuration was like solved and released all of these demons into the media world. And Bill Mitchell just one of those demons that are just still with us. Yeah, we opened Pandora's box and Bill Mitchell bled out into the reality, and now we can't get rid of him

until we build some sort of Ghostbusters like device back. Dude, I was literally I was literally about to make a reference of the roof of the firehouse blowing off after after Walter Peck shuts down. Then I was literally about I was waiting for everybody stopped talking to make a Ghostbusters reference. You were gonna make a references your favorite movie? We are spirits, my friend, we both thought about Ghostbusters

at the same time. We both love Bill Mitchell and fucking James Comey is absolutely Walter Pett doubt in my mind, also not at doubt in my mind that he has no dick. This man has no dick. Oh boy, alright, guys, well that's the behind the bastard portion of this, this wonderful hybrid episode. Shall we move on to the Q and On Anonymous portion? Yes? Absolutely, that was incredible. Jake is about to take you down a notch. Oh boy, are we doing the story now? All right, let's do it. Jesus,

Jesus God. All right, well, let's explain what this is for my listeners who may not have listened to Q and On Anonymous yet, but hopefully we'll be soon. Yeah. So Jake writes these radio plays. Now, I'm sure he would say that their masterpieces. They are in fact, just the mented product of a rotting mind. But they make

us all giggle a lot. Yeah. I tend to usually write them, but like two or three in the morning, like Julian texted me yesterday and he was like, hey, man, do you think we could lay the story into the document, So so Robert can take a look at it before we kick off tomorrow. And I was like, oh, it won't be complete until three thirty four possibly am in the morning. And in your defense, I absolutely did not read it. Uh, it was good busy doing dangerous drugs

last night. That's good. No, it's it's actually better for everybody if nobody knows what's coming in the story. It's been The only really advantage that I have is the element of surprise. Yeah. Yeah, I feel the same way about my episodes. I didn't. I wanted to drop that Bill Mitchell selling bullets. Oh my god, she was amazing. Well, what's great actually is is some of the very things you've touched on in your portion make an appearance in

this story in one way or another. So, without further ado, Uh, let's do it. Yeah, what's the name of the story. The title of this story is called the Third Meme War Wish Jesus Christ, Jake Rapatanski, and Robert Evans. It's good job weight on that the food War. I say again, God, yeah, Robert is not responsible for this word. Yeah, Robert has nothing to do with this. I did not ask him if any of this was okay. He has he is free to delete it from any portion of his program.

The groan of the heavy doors on the forty seven woke Evans up from a shallow slumber. Based on the flaming projectiles rocketing past the windows, he knew they were close. The hull of the aircraft shuttered as he watched the soldiers on board check and double check their gear. It was the third Meme war in about as many years, a war Evans would rather not have covered, but here he was watching Agent Postso and his ragtag group of wife and child strap pandola's with air paybies to their

flat jack. Forgive me, forgive me, Robert, Robert, Hey Bill Mitchell. I'll be your your handler. Once we hit the beach, stick with me and you'll you'll, you'll taste that, the sweet, sweet smell of exercising your god given first Amendment freedom of speech. Mitchell leaned his head back and clucked towards the ceiling of the helicopter. Evan's heart sunk into the bottom of his chest. Should have stayed in fucking Iraq,

Evans muttered under his breath. Mitchell busied himself trying to load a large spy gate infographic into a giant bazooka. He wasn't having much success. Evans led on an audible side. He should have never taken a gig. Everyone warned him not to, but somebody was paying big money to make a three and sixty degree documentary of the third memor. Evans had initially thought the job was a hoax, since memes are usually most effective in two D, but after

the first check cleared, he didn't ask any questions. Sometimes you take the job, sometimes you take the paycheck. Plus, the Digital Soldiers were up against the seemingly unstoppable yet fascinating foe. They called them the Shadow Bands. The Shadow Bands had emerged from caverns deep within the earth around November of large amalgamust creatures set to transcend time and space. No one knew how many there were, or if they

could be stopped at all. In three years, the best the Digital Soldiers could do was attempt to fire their memes past the creatures. With patients and good aim, they had a chance at hitting a normy and red peeling them. Evans looked down at this small recorder in his hand. He pressed the small circular button and watched the levels begin to jump across the small orange screen. He extended his arm in Mitchell's direction. So what is it you're

hoping to accomplish here today? Evans asked, Ah, Well, you see, I got all these spygate posters, epic Times, that fantastic content. General Vander Steel needs these memes to go viral. Charlie Companies trying to get it trending on Twitter, and we'll be at the shores of Reddit in uh. He glanced at his wrist, although as far as Evans could tell,

Mitchell wasn't wearing a watch. Eighteen hundred hours, Mitchell quipped, happily, he looked like a child who had been told that he could pick out He looked like a child who had been told he could pick out one toy toys r us melting crying, Evan's watched. He stuffed a handful of NPC memes into his pockets, just in case Mitchell shouted. A giant explosion rocked the helicopter. Evan shielded his eyes

a blinding spout of light or through the damage. Shall soldiers shrieked if they were sucked out into the soft orange clouds. Evan scripts recorded tight eyes wide as he watched Agent posts. So abandoned his family and checked himself from the rear of theall We've got a drop now, Mitchell screamed, before snorting a giant rail of cocaine off the back of his hand. He clipped a large metal hook through a tether on Evan's utility belt, and then

they were in the air. It was chaos. Smoldering projectile sit by them as they tumbled through the air. See it's a real war, Mitchell called out, as nearby soldiers, also in freefall, made high speed contact with debris and shrapnel. What screamed to perplex Evans was this motherfucker really trying to argue? Some point. As the pair hurtled towards a war zone on some god forsaken message board, Bill Mitchell

was no longer paying attention to him. Instead, he held his phone out in the air, playing that Your Voice America theme song as loud as the volume would go. Evan's stomach heaved as the jolt from the parachute shook its way through his bones. He gripped the ropes tightly and watched the ground rush towards him an alarming speed. The impact wasn't as bad as he had feared. The shock from the descent made it hard to process anything really.

All around him, soldiers were hurling themselves through sands, firing off golden papers. Automatic downvote fire ricocheted off the ground beneath him. A hand reached out and grabbed his shoulder and spun him around. It was Mitchell. He was screaming in Evans's face, but he couldn't hear a word. Mitchell's breath smelled like cocaine goldfish crackers for really. His ears began to adjust and the sounds of the battlefield came

into focus. Do you want some cocaine? Mitchell yelled, but before Evans could answer, the sand beneath their feet began to quake. Waterfalls of sand poured into the ground under them, and a giant, shimmery creature on six legs scuttled to its feet, towering over the two men. Evans froze shut open. Mitchell yelled. A couple of soldiers nearby concentrated poorly written complaints towards the monster. When a handful of them made contact,

Evan watched this. Their petty strong man arguments were absorbed directly into the monster's galactic looking skin. Mitchell ran right towards the creature. This is very unfair. The creature immediately shredded Mitchell in too a thousand pieces. Evans stared at the back. Evans stared at the blood soaked sand where Mitchell was standing just a moment ago, as the monster approached him, tentacles rippling, then blackness. The groan of the heavy doors on the forty seven woke Evan's up from

michelle slumber. This time, he shot up and clutched his chest, fighting for quick, shallow rez. The hull of the aircraft shuttered as he watched the soldiers on board check and double checked their gear. You're okay, familiar voice piped out. It was Mitchell again, struggling with the oversized spike. Infographic agent Posto and his ragtag group of wife and child again strapped Bandola's with rare paypaste in their flat jackets.

Evans couldn't believe it. We're staring at the surprisingly handsome man with thick, silvery hair, who moments ago had just been turned to pulp right before his eyes. Evans looked down at the small recorder in his hand. He pressed the circular button and watched the levels begin to jump on the orange screen. He extended his arm in Mitchell's direction again, his hand shaking a little. So, Bill, are you afraid of dying today? Evans asked, Bill, stop fiddling

with the memes. He thought, long and hard. Let me tell you someone, Look, here's the deal. At one point in my life, yes, I might have feared debt, But Son, believe me what I tell you that that went away the day that Donald J. Trump might bread that it was elected into office. He is an extra celestial angel who will ride down on a cloud of matter and and carry my wounded soul directly into the arms of Jesus Christ himself, and I will sing with the angels

and kings from now until he turnity. A giant explosion rocked the helicopter. Evan shielded his eyes again as a blinding spout of light poured in through the damaged hull. Soldiers shrieked as they were sucked out in the soft orange clouds. Evanscript is recorded tight eyes wide, has watched agent posts, so once again abandoned his family and eject himself from the rear of the helicopter. It was all the same as before the free fall the parachute the

battlefield like a bad case at Desia. Who again the shadow Band emerged from the blood soaked sands. Evans watched his Mitchell once again attempted to argue with the creature. Kevan snapped too, No, no, it kills you, he shouted towards Mitchell. Instinctively, Evan sprang to his feet and hooked a hand under one of Mitchell's elbows, dragging him away from the creature, who had turned its focus on other nearby soldiers trying to drop moebs into our politics. Evans

and Mitchell duck behind the wreckage of falling craft. Much of the hull was still intact and made for some good cover. Mitchell seemed perturbed, What are you doing? I was fully ready to sacrifice myself to the shadow Band so that other conservative minded figures would be able to post these very educational epic Times infographics were even links to some of our most popular y v A episodes. Evans stuck into his pocket and produced a crumpled pack

of cigarettes. He pinched one in between his teeth and pulled it out of the package. Unable to find his lighter, Evans held a cigarette next to a smoldering piece of melting steel and puffed until the cherry glowed read. He exhaled deeply and glanced increduously at Mitchell. So what's the deal with that? The whole falloon gong thing, Mitchell smiled wide. Fallon God is the deal. It's the deal for everything. Just then, a group of Normies ran past the wreckage,

not noticing Mitchell. He sprang to his feet. Wait wait, he shouted. The three turned around, not sure what to make of this middle aged limo driver looking guy aiming a large Mazuka directly at them. The original contents streaked through the air and deployed a couple of inches from the Normies, reflecting a soft blue glow off their stunned faces. But the hell is this ship? Yeah, of course our law enforcement agencies are corrupt, But the fact that these

people think Trump's the solution fucking blows my mind. This is a very informative graphic. The three wandered away, heading towards various sub credits. What out of three eight bad? Mitchell shouted as he shimmied his shoulders and going. In particular, his nervous energy was giving Evans the fear. Come on, Mitchell yelled, We're not too far from the rally point camp. Donald will regroup there, Evans gathered himself slowly death by

shadow bands. Seemed preferable to spending any amount of time in the Donald, but with nowhere else to go, he began to reluctantly follow Bill off the beach. Come on, slow, both, I'm four times your age and I'm moving way faster than you. Bill smirked. Evans blinked in a similar manner to a popular meme, what are you like A hundred yes, yes. Mitchell kiggled his face resembling a plastic jackal lantern. Evans rolled his eyes. Well, you're on a lot of cocaine,

Mitchell's lit off. That reminds me, he squawked. He reached into one of the vest pockets and produced a rather large baggy of cocaine. Come on, man, lamented Evans, but it was no use, Mitchell lendo. Mitchell, Oh god, dude, his face exploded. He's gonna cry that, I wrote. He's gonna cry again Mitchell. Mitchell leaned over and picked up a large seashell and used it to scoop a healthy portion of cocaine out of the bag. He then lifted

the shell to his nose and inhaled deeply. At first a look of pure ecstasy rushed across his face, but it quickly turned to horror. Mitchell Clutch, Just Mitchell Clutch, just Jez too much cocaine. He collapsed face first into the sand, dead. Before Evans could even process what he had witnessed, let alone comprehend that he'd also recorded it, all of it in three hundred and sixty degrees. A small platoon was on him. Hey, this guy killed Captain Bill Hey. Hands where I can see him? Evans calmly

tried to explain to the frightened soldiers what had happened. Look, I I didn't touch him at all. He overdosed on drugs. Check his pockets. But the guys weren't even listening. They had their rifles raised, their trigger, fingers shaking. Come on, Chad, let's ducks this fool many killed Bill Fine, let's waste them blocking. The gunshots seemed to echo off into eternity, then blackness. The groan of the heavy doors on the c H forty seven woke even stopped from a shallow slumber.

The hull of the aircraft shuttered as he watched the soldiers off board check and double check their gear. You okay. Familiar voice piped up. It was Mitchell again, struggling with the oversized spy Gate infographic. Evan's mind raced, his eyes darted around the hull of the forty seven Again. He watched his agent posts so asked his wife to take a picture of him holding a gun. Before Evans realized it, he was shouting above the roar of the churning rotors.

We got aboard, We're about to get ahead. Mitchell and Posto looked at him like he was crazy. Evans decided to go for broke. Look, I'm living to stay over and over again. At first I thought maybe it was a dream or some ship, but it's not. It's exactly like Groundhog Day, Holiday, asked Bill Mitchell. Evans looked exasperated. No, the Bill Murray movie. Have you not seen it? All three shook their heads. No, Evans real What about Edge

of Tomorrow with Tom Cruise? Have you seen that? All three nodded excitedly, muttering praises of the film and cruises natural knack for comedy. Boom, A giant explosion rocked the helicopter. Evans shielded his eyes. His blinding spout of light poured in through the damaged hull. Soldiers shrieked as they were stoped out in the clouds. Evan scripted his recorder tight as he watched Agent Posto abandoned his family the third time and eject himself from the rear of the helicopter.

Everything was the same, but different. This time. Evans moved with ease, With one hand on the camera and one planet firmly on Mitchell's shoulder. He guided them past the roving shadow bands and armies of thoughts armed to the teeth with Russian propaganda. It was the perfect take. After some time, Mitchell and Evans arrived at Camp Underscore. Donald Evans immediately noticed the three young soldiers who had murdered

him just moments ago. They were quietly stacking boxes of ammunition with Sunday Gunday pictures and build a Wall memes. Mitchell was yammering on excitedly. So you see the fallon Gung religion. The human soul can actually and I know this sound unbelievable, but I've seen it. It could travel back in time and inhabit the consciousness of its past self. But short of a cosmic loophole, if you will Kevans slumped down next to a pile of coats and bricks

and lit up a cigarette. Mitchell sat down next to you. Maybe that's maybe that's what's happening to you. The same thing happened to me a couple of months ago. Except for me, I had to relive a torid love affair with and and vander Steel for through three whole days in a hotel room. Evan's unscrewed his camera from its mount. He reached in his bag and pulled out a dusty laptop.

He began to scrub through. The footage came out perfect, spicy memes streaking across the chaotic beach as digital soldiers were picked off in the dozens by large shape shifting creatures rat All of a sudden, a voice shouted, throwing the entire camp in a panic strike. Everyone ran for cover, ducking into large tub skilled with videos of Joe Biden touching young girls, climate change denial flags, and large wooden

crates bursting with vaguely anti semitic grounds. From behind a tent, Evans watched as a large bomber flown by Seth Abramson rained down a four hundred and thirty seventh thread tweet storm. The digital soldiers watched in horror. As the norm He's wrapped their arms around the tweets and proudly showed them to their friends. In the distance, the shadow bands were spinning rapidly toward the camp that Donald had become overrun.

The last thing Evans saw was Bill Mitchell holding his phone to his ear, trying to listen to Your Voice America theme song one last time. However, the signal wasn't great, and it appeared that Mitchell's fine off leisure would be plagued by buffering issues. Blackness, the growing of the computer fans woke Evan's up from his deep slumber. He glanced around his apartment. His eyes landed on the digital clock displayed near the bottom of his laptop screen. Three am. Ship.

It was way too late. He had record some weird Q and on podcasts at eleven am. That was only six hours from now. He glanced down at the key word he had dozed off with his hand pressed firmly on the mouse pad on the screen. Www dot Reddit dot com was refreshing over and over and over again. The end just you've outdone yourself. It's beautiful. I say again, God, Yeah, what a TRAVISI what a Travis underscore views? What the

Travis under score views. I do always like hearing the phrase spicy means, especially when I've turned them into some sort of ammunition is to be. And Evans was definitely the one who you know, fell asleep at his keyboard last night at three am trying to trying to write something for today's podcast. There's always looked, there's always a little bit of truth and everything that I write. You know, Robert, you are the first non qa A host to play somebody,

let alone yourself in one of Jake's stories. How does it feel? Uh, it feels like being Tom cruise Um, which feels vaguely like living inside of a carburetor. Yeah, that's that's how I would describe it. Yeah, Well, we look forward to your appearance on Oprah where you you know, jump to your feet on a couch and try to explain foulon gong to the audience. I'm looking forward to that too. Actually, Travis, you have some serious questions that you wanted to uh, you know, your head with your

friend Robert. Yeah, I want to ask about how you covered the the Portland, Oregon protests and counter protests last month on August seventeen, what was the qul On presence. They're like, you know, this was the first one of whom I actually saw some I think because it was a larger demonstration. But there were a number of people with Q and on shirts and several Q and on uh signs. There was a guy with a Q and

on patch on his body armor. Um. Yeah, Yeah, there was definitely a lot of people trusting the plan there that day. You think there's any cross poll nation between q and On and other sort of broad sort of like a far right kind of organizations or movements, Yeah, it kind of depends. I think that the the the actual like neo Nazi and fascist far right tends to view the Q and honors is goofy, kind of like

cannon fodder. Um, Like they're they're they're just they're they're not thought of highly Yeah, but there's also this kind of understanding that they're kind of useful idiots, and some of them can be uh, I don't know the term they use as usually like jew pilled or something like that, convinced that this deep state is really just the collective Jewish race. Um. So there's that sort of attitude. Uh,

there's also this like, yeah, it's generally pretty dismissive. And I think there's a lot more CUE believers among like the the Proud Boy Patriot Prayer set, because they're sort of less uh less into the Nazi ship. Um. But again, and like they're all kind of useful idiots to the Nazis. You know, it's it's a it's a a constellation of of idiots who mostly act as like ablative armor for

the hardcore of actual fascists. Yeah, beautiful. I love that, and it does it does really fit with the idea that Q and on is a grift and a belief system with very little intent. But they are basically Nazis without even knowing it. Yeah, I don't think. I think a lot of them don't even come into it from like a bad place. They just Um, I can't get into the head of someone who gets drawn into it.

But it's like a cult, you know. Once you once you get pulled into that, like it becomes your entire media ecosystem, and eventually your family stops talking to you, um, and then you kind of have nothing else but this stuff. And so like there's a mix in the Q community of like people I would describe as like cultists who had a lot of sympathy for because they're clearly have been pulled into something bad that's ruining their lives. And then there's the grifters who are profiting off of them.

And then sort behind the grifters are the people who I think recognize this movement as an opportunity to further they're much more radical goals. Um, So yeah, it's it's it's a complicated melange of gross bullshit. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. Um. I also want to ask about um, your your your podcast, Uh it could Happen here, which is excellent and if you, if any listener hasn't heard it yet, you should go check it out. And it's about the possibility of a second American Civil War.

And although although that podcast mostly focuses on rural rural Americans and the militia movement, do you think that Q and on might have a role in sparking like a serious domestic conflict. Yeah, I think, like any cult, um, and I do consider it a cult. Like, there's a significant chance for much more violence than we've seen. There's already been a couple of cases that you could sort of call an insurgent attack. You know, the guy parking is fucking armored truck on the hoover Damn. That could

have very easily been a much more serious incident. Um. Like That's there's a lot of people who like I'll say this, one of the positive things about the que and On as a cult is that it's not as inherently nihilistic as like what the guys on eight Chance pull Board believe. That's sort of like like like exterminationist fascist ideology. Like there's obviously little strains of that through corners of the community, but mostly these people they don't

want the world to end. Um. They just believe in this sort of like magical period of American renewal that Donald Trump is going to bring on. UM. So I think at this point you're less likely to see outright

violent attacks on them. Most of the attacks are going to be based on people trying to like fulfill some aspect of the conspiracy or like do something like that guy who shot the mob boss, thinking that it would like that guy was like what he was basically like thought he was tried before the citizens arrest of it it turned bad, wound up shooting and killing him. Yeah, that's a exactly the kind of attack we're going to

see now. I what worries me is that, you know, there's a decent chunk of these people that believe way too hard to give up um when you know, at some point, presumably Donald Trump will stop being president. He'll either lose the election or there will be another election and he won't win. And you know, obviously if Trump makes some sort of like dictator play to stay in power,

these people would back him. Um. But I think the more likely and worrying thing is that if Trump loses the election um and decides to step down, you've got this sizeable group of people who aren't going to understand what's happening um, and who then might actually be pushed into because like then their lives will still be fucked like this this beautiful, Like there's a bunch of them. We think they're going to get hired by the CIA or whatever, like when Trump reveals that the plan has

been real all along. Wait wait, wait, wait, Robert, because I spoke to Joe M and D M S. And he says, the c I A M. The FBI will be dissolved, but that the n s A is working with the Q and on people, so they're very select and uh CIA is clowns in America, they're the bad guy. Well yeah, whatever, like whatever happens, it won't be these guys, like their lives won't change for the better. And I think there will never be this moment where like everything gets fixed for them, which is what a lot of

them are hoping for. It's like this messianic kind of movement. And when that collapses, assuming it collapses fully, UM, then I think some of them might start, might be moved to violence. That's what I'm really worried about for for Q, and I definitely think, you know, they would be part of any sort of insurgent movement if Donald Trump got unseated in the next election and it was like a

contested sort of thing. Um Like, I could very easily see a lot of these people, like they all have guns, like picking up weapons and becoming part of like a movement like that. UM. Now, thankfully a lot of them are boomers, and I don't think would make particularly potent infantry,

but I think those would become like informants. They would be like telling on the neighbor that's hiding the illegal aliens and that, Yeah, they definitely would or you know, you you also have like a sizeable chunk of people who might carry out attacks or something if they really started to feel like that was the only way to to save things. And I think it would probably be pretty targeted towards like democratic lawmakers or news you know, journalists,

stuff like that. Like, Yeah, I very much worry about what could happen in this movement. It's really like a tiger by the tail. Uh. And obviously the Trump administration hasn't even addressed any of this happening because they want these votes. They also know that it would be toxic to like their sane, rational voters to like even address Q and On, so they're they're never going to disavow them. And yeah, I just don't know where all this can

end without something terrifying happening. It's very it's very dangerous. Um, I'll say that it's really dangerous. And I think like the number of people who are true believers in Q and On is way larger than anybody wants to give credit for at this point. Yeah, that's really my my you really talk about really my nightmare scenario. There's uh, the psychiatrist um Robert J. Lifton in his book UM destroying the world to save it. It's all about am Sharikio.

He has this concept called forcing the end, where where basically this sort of cultish apocalyptic movement they get to a point where they're impatient about their prophecies being fulfilled and so they take action to make it happen. And so really my nightmare scenario is the Q and community they get to that in patient point where they stop trusting the plan, stop trusting that the white hats will take care of everything for them, and they'll force at

the end that they envision will happen. Right, They'll think that the deep state is one and that and that you know Q is actually the entire time been preparing them to take up arms and and actually you know, do battle on the streets of you know, their suburb or whatever. Yeah, and that's that. Like I think um Shinriko is a really good comparison to make Q and on. It's like um Shinriko was this Japanese cult that was made up of like a lot of scientists and like

like literal geniuses and stuff who like believed that. Yeah, they kind of basically believed that, like the world needed to be destroyed in order to bring on like sort of a utopian vision, and they carried out a saren gas attack among other things in the Tokyo subway. Um And I think Q and on has a lot of

similarities to oum shinriko UM. But I guess one of the saving graces is there's not a lot of genius of physicists and chemists uh and engineers who are who are well, probably a lot of engineers actually, um, Yeah, probably a lot of people who could build fertilizer bombs, but not a lot of people who could synthesize sarin gas. Uh. So I guess we've got that going for us. Yes, I also want to talk about your writings about um

about eight chan. You've written some of the most thoughtful work I think about eight chan for a belling cat. Now that eight chan is down, where do you think sort of like these on like these isolated neo Nazis are going to do. Are they just gonna congregate another place or have they just been sort of just mostly neutered since since eight chan is offline, I think UM a significant chunk of them are going to move on

to other things. One thing we know about sort of fringe sites like eight chann is when they get shut down, it does seem to have like a long term impact on UM the total membership. There's a lot of people who are kind of more casual and who might have gotten pulled into like the more extreme parts of of the kind of ideology there, who I think might just find something else to do and maybe never get further radicalized. So I do think it's good that it stays down.

That said, most of those people, or at least a very sizeable chunk of them, like, aren't just not Nazis anymore. They're just going and that we've seen a d asp of sites like endo chan um, and we've seen some of them filtering under Reddit and onto four chan um.

Some of them have made like fake mass shooting threats, and I suspect we will continue to see that, And I like it's it's not over by any means, Like they've been neo Nazis on the Internet have been trying to recruit people and like sort of convert large digital communities to their beliefs for a long time now. UM and I don't think they're going to stop just because

one of their more radical hubs got shut down. When we covered Turning Point USA, we noticed that some neo Nazi organizations like Identity Europa which is now rebranded as the American Identity Movement, they they were talking about infiltrating Republican student organizations to better see their ideas and recruit people. What are your thoughts on that, Well, this is again, this has been going on for a while. You know, if you look back to UM, there's you've you've got

two kind of strains of the white nationalist movement. There's the Van Guardis and there's the main streamers UM and the the the main streamers who are kind of like one of their early leading dudes was a guy named Willis Karto Um who formed a group called the Liberty Lobby and who uh like basically started off like this neo Nazi group, the National Alliance, which like distributed the Turner diaries and was like a big part of like seating.

This most recent surge of Nazis got its start actually as a youth group for Republican presidential candidate UM, and it was then just overtime converted into this more extremist force. Um. And so like there's been a lot of like, uh, you know, even going back to the days of George Lincoln Rockwell, a lot of like a very clear, concerted effort to try and like convert normal conservatives to more explicitly fascistic views. They definitely see that as like where

they can pull people from. Um. So what aim h slash Identity Europa is trying to do with turning point USA like is nothing new. UM. I do think that they've gotten better at it over time, in large part by sort of like hiding their power level, as they say it, which is why I think the work of you know, media collectives like Unicorn Riot, of like leaking these groups internal chats and showing how they talk among themselves now open they are about the Nazism when they're

not out in public. I think that's very important because it kind of makes it impossible if you do your research, to believe the lies that these groups say. Um. You know, the problem is that like none of the mainstream media ever focused that much on any of this stuff, uh, and so they can assistently get it all wrong. Um. But that's why a lot of us keep talking to them about like the nature of this kind of undercover effort to uh red pill enormies. This me more if

you will. That's right? Um, okay, cool, that's really really interesting stuff. Well, um, thanks so much for coming on our podcast, and I guess we're thanking you for being on your podcast. These crossover episodes are so bizarre. I do like it though it's a crossover. The crossover. Uh, this has been Behind the Bastards slash the Behind the Bastards Q and on Anonymous crossover episode, I have been Robert Evans. Uh. Now y'all want to plug your plug

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