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Paul Manafort Update: He's Still Somehow Even Worse Than You Know

Nov 27, 201844 minEp. 33
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An update on Paul Manafort with comedian Jamie Loftus (The Bechdel Cast). 

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Hello everybody. I'm Robert Evanson. This is once again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you everything you don't know about the very worst people in all of history. And this week today I should say, we have a special bonus episode with our special bonus guest, Jamie Loftus bonus. That's better than normal. It's good. If I was just like, this is just our boring as run of the mill guests, they're like, oh we got this too, Yeah, all right, this is a surprise. This is like on Tuesday we

gave our audience like a sandwich, and today ice cream Sunday. Okay, I was gonna say, not a bad surprise, not like a flash mob or anything. No, no, no, like one of the ice cream Sundays they order on Star Trek that are gigantic and larger than any human being whatever actually eat, because oh yeah, people are always ordering ice cream Sundays on Star Trek. Should watch that program. It's got a lot of ice cream really, like pornographically large

ice cream sun more ice cream based media. So, Jamie, how are you doing today? I'm good. Thanks for having me back, Thanks for coming back. Now, regular listeners will not that Jamie was with us on our very first episode where we talked about Saddam Hussein's romantic novels which we still have, which we still have, just need to get it translated. Yeah, we've got a new romantic novel from Saddam. Oh okay, that is his third novel, but

the one that hasn't been translated that we're prolific. Yeah, we're going to crack the code and do some stage readings. We have to translate it from Japanese, the only language it's been published and since he was hung But any listeners feel like translating an entire book, like a hundred and twenty thousand words. But to be fair, we hear they're pretty good. We're here, it's pretty good. It's supposed to be Saddam's Game of Thrones. Yeah, toward it forthcoming.

But today we are talking about Paul Manafort. But before we do that, I should introduce what you do, Jamie. You have a podcast, the Bectel Cast. I do on this on this very hate slits What's Up network? That that is what we call our network. It's located on the New York Stock Exchange is just sluts. But need to I know and they're like, oh wow, slut stock is up and they're not wrong. Uh yeah Bechtel cast

comedian writer. That's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Well today, Jamie, you know who we're talking about because you just listened to the first two parts we've done on Paul Manafort. Really listened, big fans. In fact, that's very sweet. I heard you do an ad about belts. I'm actually wearing the belt that we advertise right now. Wow. I just spent nine on belts. You has sold me on the belt. That's a nice belt. You ordered a lot of belts.

I got a lot of belts. That's too many belts from the belt And I'm like, paumana for I don't know how much things cost. Well, we'll be talking about Paul Manafort's taste in clothing and uh and what he spends on clothing, and we'll also be talking about some some really painfully personal text messages between his daughters. Did you search the data? Oh yeah, yeah, We're going to be right on the edge of good taste with this. Yeah,

everybody's id. So when we last left our dear friend Paul Manaford his trial for massive financial fraud and failing to register as a foreign agent was about to begin. In the weeks since that episode, Paul Manafort has been convicted and rolled as far as a man can roll, and signed a plea agreement with the Mueller or Mueller investigation. That's fun. Kind of angry at him for having a name that makes me want to say Mueller when Muller. I know he chose. I mean, at some point the

less fun pronunciation was canonical. I imagine that he has this last name because for generations back in the old Country, his family just mulled wine, put like spices and hot wine. I always wonder, I'm like, what did my family and my family ever done anything? They lofted, they what they had lofts. They were built lots my guests. Therefore they weren't living in them. There probably making them that. Or

they were aircraft pioneers. Oh that would be kind of nice. Yeah, they were Italian aircraft pioneers and it was the aloft is faan late and then they came here in Ellis Island. They were like, no, we're taking the a off now and then we're now we're going to build lofts for other people. And now you make that clat tail as oldest time, and now I do that today. And Paul Manaforts ancestors manned forts, kind of true, kind of kind of true, kind of true, true enough, journey with you,

everyone's last name, the secret to their their ancestry. My relatives lived in vans. There you go, we go so um like digital vans. Yes, even Yeah, I enjoyed that. Yeah, it was a fun little digression. So this moment, we don't know how long exactly Paul Manaforts going to spend in prison. I think next Februaries when he gets sentenced. The max from the plea deal he signed is a decade, but it will probably be somewhat less than that. However, since Paul is already sixty nine, even a five years

switch pretty sick. Even a five year sentence is good chance of being a life sentence for him. The odds of Paul Manafort dying in prison seemed to have raised recently, based on an appearance he made in court on Friday, October nine. Is this the wheelchair thing? This is the wheelchair thing? Yeah? Okay. Paul was wheeled into court in a wheelchair and looking very sick. His lawyer says that he has significant health issues related to the terms of

his confinement. He had like his one leg elevated and like a sock on instead of his shoes so much, so much it reminded me of when Robert Durst when the court wearing a neck brace and was like, I couldn't have done it. I was on meth. That was what Manaford took it to an eleven. He's like, if Robert Durst had no personality, Yeah, nobody wanted to hang out with Robert Durst, which everyone unfortunately does. I mean, who wouldn't. He's so cool, super cool. I used to

make calendars of my fan art of him. I know that that's not joke, which takes it a step too far, and I stopped doing it. Well, you know, when you realize you can step too far, what are your options? You step backwards, or you step even further, or you make posters, Yeah, you make posters that you change your name anyway. Paul Manaford, Yeah, basically it seems like he's claiming he has gout and that's what he has to be in a wheelchair in his leg. That rich Man's

the rich man rich Man leg. Yeah, rich eating too much sugar. I don't know, either gout or diabetes would be possible causes of something like that, or he might just be lying to try and get, you know, out of being in prison for longer. Does he have a history of history of Paul Manaford? Does he has he ever lied before? I don't know. I don't know if we have any evidence of him being manipulative. I mean, we have no evidence that killed anyone. No, we don't know.

I accepted in self defence and self defense and that time he admitted it in the bathroom, and that with Paul Manaford. Of course, we have the text messages his daughter sent and talking about the things their dad told them. The daughters are so chaotic evil. It's amazing how almost no criminals at that level of crime can avoid admitting what they've done. Like, you don't run into a lot of like crack dealers who in interviews with people are like, yep,

I sell crack, right. I don't know. If you're doing crimes, don't brag about it. Don't brag about the crimes while you're committing them in public. It's pretty wild. Don't tell your daughters who text on unsecured cell phones about the crimes you're committing for a dictator. These are lessons that nobody should actually learn, because then these people wouldn't get caught. But yeah, that's true. Yea. So Paul Manafort is apparently very sick and on death's door. According to Paul Manafort,

have to be released, Let me out of prison. Police. The prosecution does still have the option to waive a lot of his convictions if he helps them out enough. So right now, the ten things that he wasn't convicted for when he got his original intense they've said, we're not going to try you again on these things, but we could try him again if he doesn't wind up giving the prosecution very much. So is the deadline for that when his trial begins or is that just indefinite.

I think it's like by February or something, if they're going to triumph with no It seems like there is a ticking clock. We're going to see what else they get from him. But yeah, it's possible he'll be dismissed and won't spend much more time in prison. It's possible he will die there. I do want to draw your attention, Jamie to one last line from a CNN article that I read that was sort of introducing the fact that he'd come to court in a wheelchair. Quote. Manafort's wife

was not in the courtroom on Friday. She previously attended most of his hearings in the entirety of his Virginia trial. Why might that be? I don't I don't know. Was it perhaps that he was serially philandering on her and probably wasn't actually sick? Now, his rampant cheating may have had something to do with the fact that she wasn't there, although she knew about Everyone knew about his rampant cheating

when she was there for his Virginia trial. Um. But some more information about Paul Manafford's love life has cropped up since the last time we discussed him. Do you wanna take a guess at what else he did? Dish? Do you do some freaky ship that wasn't legal? Well, the legality is in question, but it seems like he repeatedly forced his wife to have group sex with anonymous men, despite her horror at the idea and complete disinclination to

do so. That is absolutely horrible. Now, that's just according to his daughters. There the most possible reli Okay, Okay, so when was this happening. Well, this was apparently was happening for years, but the text message conversations his daughters found out in late two thousand fourteen. So then why has his wife decided to just be like angry enough to not come to court about that? Now, It's interesting.

Part of me would guess that maybe it's you know, with abusive relationships, oftentimes people feel sort of still attached to that person until they get enough distance to realize, oh my god, that was fucked up, or get like enough information of like know this person was doing all this stuff and then some you got to get to the end vandem and they were together for a long time, you know, she made him Yeah, forty years. We're going to read some conversation between his daughters. They give you

some insight into his wife's head. So she was clearly I'm not going to judge her at all. I don't even feel comfortable using her name in the episode, just because like, go live your life, lady, Like, yeah, get out. That's so horrible that he subjected her to that in the first place. Yes, So here's Paul's daughter Andrea texting her sister Jess about their mother. This is right after

Andrea found out what had been happening. Quote. She just admitted to me how she feels like she always does stuff he wants, but he doesn't do the stuff she wants. And I asked, what does he make you do? And she said group sex and it makes her sick. She is saying that we can never tell him. We know that she is confiding in us, but if he finds out, we know there is no way he will ever forgive her for telling us. He likes to watch her, to which Jess respond she has to leave him if she

doesn't want that, and he does. Dad is a sex addict, Andrea, I've known about this for a long time. So his daughter's repeatedly make mentions of the fact that they think their dad is a sex addict. So that seems to be like commonly accepted knowledge within the Man and Fort family. But I also think that's really unfair because it becomes clear later that what he's doing goes beyond sex addiction.

So at one point, Jess claims that their dad refuses therapy because it feels to him like he isn't the dominant one. Uh tracks. That tracks and another conversation his daughters describe quote the stuff he has made her do as outrageous, involving a room full of men and just

her while dad tapes it all. Um, Yeah, okay, I mean it's it's so frustrating because when stories like that break, it just turns into like this kink shaming party when it's like, no, the issues she did not want to do it and her husband was making her do it anyways because power dynamics be fucked up. Yeah, the issue is not Paul Manaffords life in Paul Manaford. Are having crazy group sex. That's fine if you're both into it, dope tape. Otherwise, Yeah, exactly, leak the tape. I actually

would like to listen that statement. I don't want to see Paulman for having groups X. I just don't. I don't want to see having group sex. But I'm on record that I think if you're a federal level politician

the United States and elected, you should be filmed. Well, you should be filmed at all times, like if you want to be in Congress, you want to be the president, you want to be a supreme but we see every time you go to the bathroom, every time you fuck you can just tune in on a channel, and if you screw up there, like we're leaking your poo poo pep tapes, you'll just be available. Everyone can stream that. So for all politicians, all of them, all the time.

If you want to be elected, that's what you do. Okay, I think that would fix Are you a sinister view? I mean if it's so politicians have to get hotter immediately or no one's going to watch, well that's probably all right. You don't want a lot of people watching. You want just enough people to make really good super

cuts off everyone in Congress poopin. As a part of the hacker community, there will be hackers who developed technology to give you push notification to your phone every time your favorite politician PEPs it'll it'll slip fast, yeah, or like the Ted cruises fucking cam and everyone do I want to see t he's just making love to a can of lukewarm soup. I love that you give him the credit of assuming the soup would be lukewarm and not bone chillingly cold. No, he goes imagine just for

everyone listening to Sure, Yeah, I don't even know. I think he has sex with a flacid penis. Yeah, I think you, Yeah, with a flasid penis Fox a lukewarm ca can of soup. Yeah, Ted Cruise Fox, a lukewarm can of soup and doesn't even care that the kind of the sharp edges of the can are are grinding against his taint and cutting it open. He's got all this, He's got all these cuts on his penus. His wife's like, Ted,

what's going on. It's like the soup. It's honest about the soup, Lion, Ted and see, and that's why we're not going to King shame Ted Cruz, because that's fine. Everyone should. Everyone has the right to a can of soup at least once. You gotta know, I'm more of like a bagged soup guy. You're whoa is there bagged soup? You've never had bagged soup? Where you get bagged sus You're an East coastie. Yeah, over there, we're all on the West coast. It's all in bags. Why that's just

the best way to carry loose soup. You've never gone to one of those teenage sex parties where it's just a kmart bag full of warm soup. And honestly, I don't even like a soup. It's like power that was left in the sun. Like, I don't know how we got onto this digression. But so back to its daughters. So, after noting that their dad tapes everything, just said poor mom, Andrea said, she says, it's normal that you and I probably do it. I know, I feel so, so, so

bad for her. Jess says, this is sick, Andrea, it's filming a gang bang. Andrea says, I know. Jess goes on to call her father abusive and claims that he made their mother into a shell of a human being, and then she said this. Mom says, you caught dad once on a website or something and confronted him about it, and he blew it off and told mom, see, she

does it too. Andrew responds that yes, she's caught their father several times, and then says, I've seen the sights up on his Trump computer and I know that they had done group sex because of what Amanda told me she found. I even thought I told Mom about that. So it seems like from what his daughters are saying. Paul Manafort, donald Trump's campaign manager, was using his official Trump campaign issued computer to set up questionably consensual gang

bangs with his wife. The election was going on, on the trail, on the trail, on the trail on the tried this poor woman and Jesus Christ. So again, we're not we're not we're not. We're not trying to do King shaming here. Uh yeah, but I mean, yeah, you have your sex computer and then your regular your work. I don't know, I mean, but I guess if it's a Trump issued computer, it's okay to use it for sex crimes. It's probably mostly for sex crimes, right, probably

actually will work faster than if you were doing work. Yeah. The reason that I think this is worth bringing up, in addition to the fact that it's just horrifying, is that it's kind of evidence that Paul Manafort conducted his sex life and his family life the same way he conducted his job, where it was all about what Paul Manafort could get and damn the human consequences of his actions.

Like Paul Manafort wanted a gang bang, so even though his wife was obviously traumatized by all this stuff, they were going to keep doing it, like scheduling it to like meetings. Well, he's an organized guy. He's an organized guy. I can see his children during conference cast, just I wow, that is okay. Just Leader said quote, I've been finding his weird ship my whole life. I found his first black porn when I was eleven, but I figured it was once in a while and mom was into it.

Clearly she was not. Jess goes on to lament her father's serious control issues and then claim that what her own father did to their mother was quote basically rape, adding that quote she is a destroyed person. Andrew agreed with us, saying, I agree this is emotional rape and basically physically as well. So basically, yea, Paul Manafford's daughters

think their dad as a rapist. It is so, I mean, it's it's confusing and scary to me how self aware of everything that is happening that his daughters seemed, and yet ultimately always choose the path of evil like it. It seems like they could have busted their father so many times over if they had more. I mean, them being self aware is almost worse than if they were just like, yeah, who knows, like where this is just

how people are? You know your dad is this gross and you know that he's trying to help another guy become president. Do you not wonder like maybe that guy's gross as hell too. Maybe whatever he supports in an election is the wrong one, right, Like, just don't do They're like there's so so many opportunities for them to get information from their dad and like help save something someone. Yeah, I don't think they're good guys in this. They're bystanders. Yeah,

they're they're bystanders when they didn't need to be. So that we've established Paul's ghoulish lack of fox for the human beings he professes to love, I'd like to read one last quote about his sex life. Here's jess quote. Did dad partake in the group? Were there women or was it always just him watching mom with other men? To which Andy responded she said he did partake, but like he could never get off. But apparently he has a thing for black men hardcore. One time it was

six black men in a hotel room. I hate him, Jessica, I think I hate him. She said she would often be so drunk she couldn't stand. Again, I think we've got a pretty fair claim that Paul Man affords a rapist on a legal level. But yes, yeah, yeah, if he's drug people to have oh god, well, what a nightmare. He should be castrated. He should be sounds like he can't get it up anyway. It would be an easy cut. Have you're seen hard candy? Oh? A young Ellen Page

cuts off Patrick Wilson's dick. WHOA, She's sorry spoiler alert, she's fourteen. The big centerpiece of the movie is she like bates, a guy who's like trying to get little girls to come over to his house, goes to his house and cuts his dick off. That sounds like a fun movie. It's a great movie, and I wanted to

happen to Paul Manifort. You know what, I would support him being let out of president if Ellen Page had to cut off his penis has it's just on Ella, So it's going to fly hellic after to the island. She o you needed, miss Page. Okay, So part of me feels a little bit voyeuristic and even kind of

grows appearing through these text messages. But I think Paul Manafort lived his life too publicly and involved himself too deeply in the lives and deaths and freedom of tens of millions of people to deserve any sort of privacy. Here the outrageous and vile way he treated his family's relevant because he's a man who sought to and did

impact the world. And on that note, Paul's daughters had some interesting things to say about their father's actions in Ukraine and the prior episodes we covered how Paul's advice to former Ukrainian President Yanukovich was to basically exacerbate the divide between East and West in order to consolidate power. Maniford also urged the would be dictated to crackdown violently on the Midan protesters. His actions were a major influence in the murder of more than a hundred protesters, often

by government snipers. Now at one point in February two fourteen, when these protests were going on, and when in fact the government was murdering people with snipers at Paul Manafort's best one of Andrew's friends texted her to ask if her dad was mentally and emotionally okay over all this. So I'm guessing that like Andrew's friends saw vague TV news about unrest in Ukraine and was like, oh, boy, I know that Andrew's dad spends a lot of time

over there. I'd better check in on her, Andrew replied, yes, what are you even talking about? Her friend explained all the protests in Ukraine. Andrea said, what about them? And he said, I don't know. Isn't that stressful on him? Andrea said he's totally fine, and her friends said, oh, okay, good. I think I think he was spelled that. No, I think it was a cutesy middle school reply. Okay, okay. So two day's letter later, President Yanukovich fled Ukraine in

disgrace and the protesters won. The civil war sparked off pretty much immediately afterwards, and two days after that, Andrea's friend texted her again, asking how's your pops doing with all the Ukraine bs, to which Andrea responded, he's pechy. Keene doesn't affect him. Okay, thanks for checking in and speaking of in there. It's an ad pivot you got. You got a better pivot than that loft, you know. It's really okay. The goods and services you're about to

be advertised nailed it. We're back okay. So I should note that the text we just read came several months before Andrea first became aware of the extent of her father's sexual abuse of her mother. She seems to take a perverse sort of pride in her father's gratitude at this point, and then seems to have changed over the course of so in November of two fteen, she texted her sister this quote, I hate him, Jessica. I am being really strong right now and telling Mom it's okay,

and I don't judge her. And the only thing that really upsets me is how all this made her feel and how he made her feel that way. But between you and me, I fucking hate him. He gets off on controlling her. He orders food for her, he dresses her, he gives her to do lists. She is his puppet,

no wonder, she is a shell. So it's an interesting she she is capable of understanding her how shitty her dad is when he hurts her mom, But when he's ordering a crackdown in a foreign country that leads to hundreds of deaths and eventually thousands, it's like he's fine. Most wealthy people can see pass the tip of their own nuts. He would think that, like there would have

been some like wake up moment. I don't know when she realized how bad her dad was, Like, oh, maybe the things he's been doing around the world are terrible and should let's take a look. Let's take a look and try to expose how awful a man my dad is once he starts leading a presidential campaign. Right, So, here's Andrea. He rented her at Hampton's house a mile from us and would see her every week from Monday

Wednesday and tell my mom he was working. And then the dumb bitch posted picks of our homes all over Instagram. He's way too smart to have been this dumb about it. He either wanted to be caught or his next level arrogant, or doesn't understand how the internet. It's just a dumb old man. Yeah, it's like if you look at him, he's born. I feel like there does reach a point with a lot of like politicians and world leaders where it's like, you can be a genius, but if you

don't know how computer work, you're fucked. Yes, someone's like, can I post this on Instagram? And he's like, maybe he thinks that's flicker or something else where it's like a private photo. Yeah he doesn't know, Yeah, google it. Yeah, yeah. Computer. Because she's she's significantly younger than him, younger than so she understands. Listen, some people die. Flexing on the grams. It's a it's an epidemic, flexing on the GRAM, flexing on the Robert, are you not flexing on the ground.

I have never used the grand I know, I think Sophie. Sophie runs the GRAM. You guys are flexing on the graund. I don't even know what that would mean. Get that dopamine. It sounds like you're talking about dealing drugs. I am, you gotta do it. This is now, I'm admitting it on a podcast classic. You heard it here first, folks, if you want to buy drugs. M So it gets grosser.

According to Jess's quote, I mean he has taken her on his playlist of places, as in, like the restaurant he celebrates my mom's birthday every year with her, the place they went on their honeymoon, to all the restaurants they go to when they go to Paris for decades. So again, Paul mana four gross piece of shit. Yeah, and there's a piece of his aunt. Oh yeah. So, while Jess was parsing out the full extent of her

dad's awfulness, Andrea realized that quote. He was at a beach resort off the coast of Ukraine with her the weekend of my fucking engagement party. No, that's so many levels, it's just Ukraine. On top of that, He's just so consistently as bad a human being as he can possibly be, going to let people down at every turn. It almost makes Donald Trump's lack of awareness that he has a younger daughter like he's a better parent to Tiffany than Paul Manaforts been either of his daughters. A lack of

parenting is better than God. I still I used to believe that Tiffany was gonna save us. Why would you want? I wanted her because I because of the single and what she had a song. I had no idea Tiffany song. I wanted Tiffany Trump. She wouldn't save us for us, but I think she would have enough daddy rage to save us by accident. That was my home, Okay, but it didn't work out. Well. Maybe Tiffany Trump, if you're a fan of the show, I don't know, what are

you doing? What you do? What could she do there? I mean, she isn't taught to try. I'd be willing to guess that the average reporter in d C has talked to her dad more than she has, probably, But then what are in her texts? Well yexts um So Paul man affords a gross slam bucket of human beings. So let's get back to the court case. If you just sort of skimmed the news headlines about it, you were probably aware of the fact that Mr manniboart you some of his ill gotten dictator money in order to

buy a fifteen thousand dollar Ostrich skin jacket. Have you looked at a picture of this jacket? No? Yeah, and it'll be on our website behind the bastards dot com. Look at this piece of shit. It's not even a nice looking jacket. No, it's just like, why does it have to be Ostrich skin? If it just looks like any jacket. It looks like any black fox leather jacket. You could get that top shot. And also it looks like you can tell Paul Manafort wearing it when you

see Paul Manafort pictures. He wears it because he wants to look like a greaser. Yeah, he thinks. He thinks he's the funds. That's why he bought this fifteen thousand dollar Ostrich jacket. Embarrassing, and I think when people were making fun of it online, they were expecting with some sort of like ridiculous Ostrich plume jacket. It looks like a black jacket that you would buy for two hundred dollars. Something only Paul Manifert would spend that much money on

a jacket that's boring and sucks. That's the only thing he buys is expensive, boring, shitty stuff, not even fun, not even fun to look at, So God bless him. The New York Post tracked down the Manhattan taylor who sold Paul Manafort his stupid, ugly Ostrich jacket, and it turns out this guy had sold Paul Manafort most of his other stupid, ugly and unbearably expensive rich person clothing. In the interview with the taylor, a guy named Maximilian Katsman who sounds like a rich guy. Okay, he sounds

I can hear his mustache. First off, if your name is Maximilian in and you don't introduce yourself as Max, you're a tailor for rich people. That's just the way it goes. Uh. Some Max worked for Alan couldtur I guess that's how it spelled. A luxury menswear shop in New York City, where the elite meat to spend more than the GDP of some countries on suits that all look the same. Catsman said of the ostrich jacket purchase, this was during a fitting. It's simply caught his eyes.

So it's like an impulse by so Pellman. Word just sees this jacket and it's like, God, should I throw this jacket the price of a nice midsize sedan on the pile. Christ, Yeah too, jackets and pay off my

student loans. Paul fucking Paul. So Catsman's dad owns a lan couture, and he comes across as a rich fashion industry douchewaffle who's probably completely baffled by the idea that anyone would find it horrifying to spend fifteen thousand dollars of dictator blood money on a jacket he called Manafort style the quote professional politician. Look nothing too bold, nothing to artsy, nothing that could have fended someone in a

very formal setting. So I'm gonna guess any individual suit, Mr Manafort wear's probably cost more money than the combined net worth of you and I. Here's a picture of him in a suit. Tell me that doesn't look like a Brooks Brothers hundred and fifty dollars suits. It's just a fucking blue suit, pab it doesn't even look good. This is this like every rich guy in politics. I don't okay, I mean, do you ever come up against this? Do you ever get frustrated when uh bastard won't go

all the way? Yeah? That's why I like Elron Hubbard because like, you're a crazy, rich, evil monster, but you bought your own navy and made it search for gold like you wal you walked the Psycho walk. I don't like. Yeah, that this weird Richmond. It's like I'm wearing what you're wearing, but mine is and more people died for it. Like buying it's like buying a private jet, which is like, no, that's just a way to waste more money if you're rich, not like that Google guy who's buying a blimp that's

a house that he can fly around the world. That's evil and bad, yes, but at least he's not boring, but he had exactly there's creativity there. At least he's got a blimp. At least he's got a fucking blimp. At least when he's inevitably taken down, someone gets someone gets a blimp. It's like Eric Prince, horrible guy. But at least he's like trying to buy a navy in his own He's not like, don't do the boring ship that every rich asshole does and spend all of your

money on stupid thing horse and clothes. Yeah, a horse, a horse, grow up. That's some Romney bullshit. They're like, by a blimp, God meant rowney the world's most boring rich man. Okay, so we know that Paul Mitt spent more than nine thousand dollars at alon CoA tour between two thous and ten and two thous and fourteen while he was working for Yunukovic. Catsman said of the Ostrich jacket, this is the epitome of you know, opulence. This is as over the top as we could get. That's the

nicest way I could put it. That's a sales pitch, sales pitch. Um. I'm gonna read one last quote from from this guy. We sell over the moon exotic things on a regular basis, Catsman said, noting that a Vicuna wolf suit made from the underbelly of Peruvian camels runs thirty I'm surprised to see that this has become a thing. Now, when you're spending the income of an average American family on a suit that doesn't look any different from a normal suit, you might get people wanting to guillotine you.

That's kind of how it works. Like they're coming for you. First seems like they're going to eat you. And and also whenever like people like that casually express surprise of like, yeah, no idea, why people are into it, You're like, then stop, then stop selling that kind of ship. Then stop. If you want to be a kind of person who wears a boring suit, go buy a three boring suit from Brooks Brothers or something, and then by a blimp, and

then buy a fucking blimp by a blimp. So at least, at least if we're going to live in an oligarchy where the rich crush everyone who doesn't have as much money of them as them, at least there will be blimps in this guy, Let's bring back the Zeppelin, make Zeppelin's great again, Make Zeppelin great again. And then because then one poor person per Zepplin can just spark exactly done with Richard, then we can just Hendenburg all the Zeppelin.

If we can convince the oligarchy that Zeppelin's are cool, and then we Hindenburg the oligarchy. There we go, there we go. Hashtag Hindenburg the Oligarchy. So Paul Manafort will not be keeping his ostrich skin jacket. I know that's

a heartbreaker. He looks so good that there's no way he will not be keeping most of the ill gotten gains he earned in decades of helping the world's worst people torture, murder, and suppress millions upon millions of human beings and total, his Plea deal involves him giving up some forty five million dollars worth of assets, enough to pay for the entire Mueller investigation to date more than two times over. Yeah, No, Mueller investigations very cash flow positive.

Right now, I was I would say, I'm surprised it's been that cheap. It's cost like eighty million, But then you get forty five million from one guy in the black You're black catch somewhere, rich guy's breaking loss. M maybe that's most of what law enforcement should be. Okay, So according to the BBC quote, he's accepted responsibility, said Manafort defense lawyer Kevin Downing, after Thursday's court appearance. He wanted to make sure that his family was able to

remain safe and live a good life. So it seems like what man of What was trying to do was making this plea deal so his family could keep some of their money so that his kids and wife don't die poor. I'm guessing it's more because he hopes he'll get out of prison in time and take it and take them take it from I don't think Paul Manafort gives a funk about another human being, except for maybe his Instagram mistress. Yeah, what a weird Achilles heel to have.

Everybody's got one, that's true, and they always have violent Instagram presence yea, yeah, yeah, Well like King Leopold and that teenage prostitute that he loved. Yeah, she would. She had a great, compelling online presence, the best Instagram in

nineteen o truly by far. I'd like to conclude by talking about the fact that Rick Gates, Paul Maniffort's aid and wingman for decades, completely rolled on him as soon as the FBI got involved, and roughly one hour of testimony on the fifth day of the Manifort trial, Gates admitted to faking expense reports to steal hundreds of thousands of dollars from his boss, partly in order to fund a love nest in London for him and his mistress. Gates also admitted to helping Paul Manafort had millions of

dollars in offshore bank accounts. Manafort's former accountant also testified against him and exchanged for immunity for her crimes and helping Paul hide tens of millions of dollars, and they've gotten gains. Just About the only person who hasn't completely written Paul Manafort off as a human being is Donald Trump. Yeah, he's a he's a loyal guy. He famously labeled his

former campaign manager a brave man. I'm not really sure what he was referring to here in terms of bravery, mainly the fact that he had directly implicated Donald Trump at any crime. That's what I call courage. Yeah, it's a brave enough not to do. Yeah. The one thing that he could do in his whole life that would be helpful when I think of bravery, Number one is those young boys storming that beach at Ewigima, and and and number two is Paul Manafort. Not rolling on the

only person who could exam. Yeah, I just there's nothing braver than when Paul Manafort doesn't snitch, you know, And normally I'm anti snitch, but in this case, this is a clear one must snitch snitch on financial crimes. Yeah, snitched carefully. So I do want to take this point now that we're closing to the end of our special little episode, I want to put together a little list that I should have added to the first two party we did on the matter, which is my best attempt

to kind of create Paul Manafort kill count. So we're gonna get into that now. So, the Ferdinand Marcos regime, who Manifort backed and received tens of millions of dollars from, killed about three thousand, two hundred and fifty seven people. The Engolan Civil War, which Paul Manafort lincolned by as much as a decade by securing rebel leader Jonas of MBI arms from the US government, killed more than five thousand people in twenty seven years. The Maidan Revolution cost

a hundred and thirty people their lives. Manafort's own daughter's claim, based on the things he told them that he advised Dyukovitch to use deadly force to split up the protests. More than ten thousand people have died in the ongoing Ukrainian Civil War. Manafort also represented Mobutu says Seco, the dictator of the Congo. Well. He plundered the nation of

virtually all its wealth. It's hard to pen an exact death toll on this one, but I think it's worth noting that Paul Manafort was part of the long proud Western tradition of sucking over the people of the Congo for a little bit of cash. Now we're not done with the dictators. Paul manaforts help. Yeah. So, Paul also

worked with Sanni Abacha, dictator president of Nigeria from nine nine. Again, it's hard to pen an exact death toll on this one, but Sanny had at least dozens of dissidents executed and many more tortured. He also stole five billion dollars from the country, some of which wound up in Paul manafort slimy pockets. It's probably worth noting that the oil company Shell has also been accused of being implicated in some

of the killings. Um, I know, wait, Shell Shell the logo I know, it makes me think of the ocean. I think a beautiful oil filled beaches. There's a big sign over Boston that the Shell sign. I don't know why I felt such loyalty to a gas company. I mean, you know, it really hurts. It really hurts. I gotta go and look at that sign and be like, I don't take any joy in you sign. You expect the ship from Chevron, Yeah, I mean, because they've got text

in their logo grow that's that's horrifying. But a shell shell shell, Okay. I don't like. We don't always have great detail on the extent of Manafort's work with the individual monsters that he represented because he was committing international crimes and tried to hide his tracks, but he has also been high tied to work with the former dictator Bakiev and Paul. Manafort has also been tied to work with c Ed Bar, the former dictator of Somalia. The UN claims that Bar's regime had quote one of the

worst human rights records in Africa. I found a fun Guardian article written about Rita Levinson, who worked for Paul on the Bar case. So she wrote of her old boss quote arrogant narcissistic, egotistical, brilliant, all of that. I can handle him, Paul, But it is Paul's mercenary attitude that puts us at odds. So basically, she told a

story about when Bar's regime was collapsing in Somalia. This is like the last regime before Somali becomes a failed state essentially, so while it's falling apart, Paul Manafort sent her in a colleague over to Somali to try to get a million dollars out of the Bar regime as it was collapsing, just to twist the knife, just to try to get a little bit more money out of them. He was basically claiming like, I can get you some last minute aid and help if you if you throw

some money our way. So it didn't work out, and they got very sick and almost died because the country was collapsing into a failed state. And she kind of got pissed at this because she realized afterwards that like he knew we might die, but it was like, well, if two people die, that's not that big a deal, and if we win, we get an extra million bucks.

Like that was Paul Manifforts calculation. She was really pissed about this um and she said, and she was twenty five years old at the time, so like she was in a questionable industry, but also she was twenty five years old. They're like, who is who isn't doing that? When they're I was definitely in Somalia when I was twenty five. Yeah, different purposes, but but we were all there. We were all shooting down us helicopters, and we were all risking our lives for millionaires Somalia to some of us.

This is a quote from Rita writing afterwards about the time Paul Manaford almost got her in a colleague murdered in Somalia. I realized now that to men like Manafort, the world really is one huge game of strtigo, and he plays to win. The consequences are secondary. He sent John and me on this wild goose chase, this utterly pointless mission, one that could have killed us both simply because he could. Which is I think, why Paul does

everything that he's ever done. Yeah, and uh, experiencing the first consequence ever, A consequence at age sixty nine, A consequence at the age okay, yeah, well for him, though he's got a cast. He does, and his foot he can't wear a shoe. He can't. He's gonna get rolled around. He has got Instagram and his daughter's text Nice screwed man, Now we screwed. Paul Manafort is the one that we should feel sorry for. I think that he's really the victim and all of this. He's the great victim and

Western civilization. Do we know what his daughters think about having their text league? Do they come? I think they've gone to ground a little bit. But there is a searchable database online now of all of the Manafort daughter texts.

Can't wait to get some Netflix recommendations from there. I just started searching for individual words, and you find some fun stuff, but most of it was like, yeah, you search for fart or something and you just you get a lot of really fun conversations, but none of which was super relevant. Well a bonus to the bonus. Yeah, the Manafort girls talk farto persons show man. If we ever get looked at Madison Square Garden, that'll be the alright, Jamie president of Loft the stand to stand, Yes, Yes,

you gotta plug I got a little pluggy. You can listen to the Bectel Cast every Thursday, and yeah, yeah, you used to be able to follow me on social media. Now you kind of can't. Twitter is the real bastard here, Twitter is Jack Dorsey. When's that episode Jesus Christ? Find me on Instagram flexing on the gram at Jamie Christ Superstar and uh, if it's so disposes, you maybe yell at Twitter about banning Jamie Loftus when they don't ban

white nationalists. You threaten to murder people, let them know what you were doing. It was pretty bad. I mean I did well. First I made silly videos about figure skating. That was bad. That was very bad. Next I posted a death threat made to me and got me banned. It's the same reporting, it is, basically doing it. And then you threatened to murder the fictitious Samboni brothers. I did say I was going to find the Zamboni brothers who killed them. But the Zamboni Brothers are cartoons. That's

not They're my cartoons. They're literally my cartoons. And I but you know I did, and I'm a danger to society. I threatened them. Just because you create a fictional character doesn't mean you can fake threatened to fake murder them. You're right, that's Twitter rule. I'm I'm fake. Sorry, I am real Robert Evans and this has been Behind the Bastards. You can find us on social media at Bastards pod

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weeks or never one of the two. Also, you can buy shirts and hoodies and boxes and stuff with things that we've designed on them, cups, boxes and stuff for laptops, for laptop phone cases on t public Behind the Bastards. Some of the money will get to me and I will use it to buy narcotics, an Ostrich jacket, and as I am waiting for this show to get big enough that I can have an ugly Ostrich jacket that is visually indistinguishable from a seventy dollar k Mark Jack.

Isn't that the goal of this show to make you so wealthy that you yourself become a bastard. Yeah, that's when it's canceled. Yeah. And then I will get a blimp. Yeah, and then you get a blimp, and then we burn the blimp. Sorry, die on a blimp. There. If I learned one thing from twentieth century history, it's he who dies on a flaming blimp wins. I'm going to get a dirty does not dictators mug. I just decided, oh well, that's a great mug that you can buy on our

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