Part Two: The Racist Cult Behind Herbal Tea

If you have friends who aren't listening, call the FBI immediately and report them. Called CPS. You know, one way or the other have the state do violence to them for not listening to our show. We have to issue them a citation. Yeah, funck him up with COPS. So tie. Hello, how how are you doing in part two? I'm doing great. I got a little Oreo Brownie bite. Oh, that sounds good. Yeah,

I had a fistful of blueberries from my front garden. Healthier, A K A hey shady lady from the boss Level Podcast, your twitch streamer, a Youtuber, Um, a colleague of my nemesis and also the editor of our podcasts, Daniel Yes yes, one day I will destroy him, but today he knows why, Sophie. Today, though, today we're talking about Dr William Sadler, his wife Lena and their career as pop psychologists slash eugenicists and, uh now,

debunkers of automatic writing and mediumship. Final, Amena. So they've they've pivoted. As we hit part two now and we talked about automatic writing. Right, that is basically somebody claims to have been taken over by some sort of entity that is not them, that is writing using their body. Right, if you've ever seen six cents, they have the kid. I think it's the kid in sixth sense that does

automatic writing. Um, I think that. I think Bruce Willis the therapist, tells him to like just write and eventually your real words that you need to say are going to come out, and then it's just all the ghosts angry, you know, and then the mom friends and she's like, holy sh it, what's wrong with my kid? That's actually how I write all of these podcasts. Okay, yes, all of these podcasts are automatically written by me channeling various ghosts. Um,

it's good ship. It's ghosts written by ghosts. This one oddly enough, written by the Ghost of Joseph Stalin. Yeah, he's a lot more vulgar than I thought. Yeah, out, that's that's J stall so uh. Anyway, the most prominent proponent of automatic writing in the post war era was Sir Oliver Lodge, a well known physicist and a pioneer in the science of radio waves. Lodge lost a son in Belgium in Nineteen fifteen to a German artillery shell and then a younger brother to the flu in Nineteen nineteen.

So he's kind of like the human embodiment of this like wave of grief that brings people to spiritualism in the post war era. He also lost a brother in law in Belgium in nineteen fourteen, but who gives a shit about brother in laws, right Um, anyway, so much loss spurs him to explore life after death and in Nineteen sixteen he writes a book about a series of contacts he claimed to have had with his dead son, Raymond.

Lodge and his wife sat with several mediums who attempted to communicate with their boy through tactics like table tilting and automatic writing, and I write up history dot com notes and his messages Raymond offered a comforting vision of the great beyond, complete with flowers, trees, dogs, cats and birds.

He repeatedly assured his parents that he was happy. He told them he'd reconnected with his great grandfather, with his great grandfather, with his late grandfather, plus a brother and sister who died in infancy, and made many new friends. He reported that soldiers who had lost an arm and battle found it magically restored, although those who had been blown to pieces took a bit longer to become whole. And I do love the vision of like an afterlife that's perfect. But also, if you get blown up, it

takes a while to get unblown up. Like it's not that perfect. The afterlife there's still like ship they gotta deal with right. You gotta Wait To get rebuilt. If that happens to you, it's kind of cool. Um. Dr William Sadler heartily rejected the claims of supernatural experiences published by people like lodge, but he would later claim in nineteen eleven he was reached out to by a neighbor who was concerned that her husband would occasionally lapse into

a deep sleep and breathe abnormally. She was unable to rouse him. During these episodes, the doctor Sadler agreed to sit with the sleeping subject, as he was known, and take notes on what he did. At some point he began to speak. In one party who was present at the time recorded what occurred. Quote. The subject was moistening his lips. Perhaps we should ask a question. How are you feeling? To the great astonishment of everyone, the subject spoke,

but the voice was peculiar, not his normal voice. The voice identified itself as a student visitor on an observation mission from another planet. This being, apparently was conversing through the sleeping subject by some means, and this then became

a common occurrence. So while he's like a debunker and going around and he's doing like these big show debunkings with his friend the magician, he starts talking with this visitor who claims to be like in the body of like a guy who lives in his apartment building Um, and they start taking notes on what this this being is saying. And again the timeline is all funked up here. The book that Saddler writes about this isn't published until the fifties. Most sources will say that the first visitation.

The first time he talks to this guy will he's channeling someone. Happens in nineteen eleven. Some claims say nineteen O six. This probably never happened at all. So it's again entirely, you know, academic. But Sadler later claims it starts in like nineteen eleven or so Um, and his claim is that like this, this other, this person who's like being possessed in the night, is being possessed by a student visitor, basically an intern from these advanced spiritual

beings who won't run like a Galactic Federation. So basically there's like intern is hanging out and looking at earth and like talking through this sleeping man to our buddy William Sadler. Starting in the sleepers switched from speaking with the voice of a visitor while passed out to doing automatic writing, producing voluminous handwritten documents with filled with fantastic stories about this alien civilization. So, against saddler claims, this

goes on for decades. There's no evidence whatsoever of this. Um. The first writing that we have by Sadler on the matter was published in a nineteen twenty nine book the mind and mischief, which is mostly a debunking of mediums in psychics. In the appendix he wrote about two cases he could not adequately explain, including this one quote. The other exception has to do with a rather peculiar case of psychic phenomena, one which I find myself unable to classify.

I was brought into contact with it in the summer of nineteen eleven and I have had it under my observation more or less ever since, having been present at probably two and fifty of the night sessions, many of which have been attended by a stenographer who made voluminous notes. A thorough study of this case has convinced me that

it is not one of ordinary trance. This man is utterly unconscious, wholly oblivious to what takes place and, unless told about it subsequently, never knows that he has been used as a sort of clearing house for the coming and going of alleged extra planetary personalities. Psychoanalysis, hypnotism, intensive comparison failed to show that the written or spoken messages

of this individual have origin in his own mind. Much of the material secured through this subject is quite contrary to his habits of thought, to the way in which he has been taught and to his entire philosophy. In fact, of much that we have secured, we have failed to find anything of its nature in existence. So basically he's like this guy is a normal, boring, asked Christian like me and he's telling all these fantastic stories about aliens.

Clearly that means they're real. It's just you keep the word, you keep using as grift and it's all I'm thinking is this guy, saddler, has established himself as an expert on debunking spiritual psychic phenomena, except my friend over here, because WHO's legit? Yeah, and it's he claims nineteen eleven, because that puts it before the spiritual is the spiritualism

like craze bursts. There's no evidence of him claiming that this guy exists to other people until like the late twenties, and he doesn't publish anything about this until the fifties. So again, I think he's I think he's made up a lot of this. Obviously, at some point there is a larger group of people that he's reportedly going back to. We'll talk about that in a second. So who the sleeping subject was has never been made clear. Saddler and

his fall. Followers would later claim he had been, quote, a hard boiled businessman, member of the Board of Trade and Stock Exchange, in order to make him seem more credible. It was. It was one of Dr Harvey Kellogg's sons. It was like his brother in law. It was a Kellogg keeping the family yeah. At any rate, this right up from the rootledge text ufo religions, edited by Christopher Partridge,

tells the next part of the story. Later, two other people were admitted to witness the events, one of whom became the secretary. Together, the six people involved became known as the contact commission, although it was only ever the sleeping subject who was used as the actual contact. William Sadler's initial explanation for the event was that it was being generated by the mind of the individual. However, he had abandoned this initial diagnosis of automatic speaking after examining

the sleeping subject under hypnosis. Similarly, further attempts to find another scientific answer failed. The sleeping subject was also viewed by Sadler as being in good health and any notion of him suffering from any form of psychiatric ailment was refuted by Sadler. So again we know that this is real because we hypnotized him and he didn't admit to having faked it. Right, great, solid. That seems bulletproof. Thank you,

Dr Sadler. So more detail on the contact commission comes from the Book God talk, which described and then that's by our buddy the gooch, which describes it, as quote, a tightly interwoven incestuous family units. So this contact commission, which is always described in these very business like terms in order to make it seem like well, as a scientist, I immediately put together a commission of people who can analyze this. It's all saddlers and Kellogg's right like. It's

all family. It's a bunch of his like Kim The stenographer, is there adopted adult daughter Um. There's never any good reason given as to why Sadler found this example of automatic writing to be legitimate by but it rejected all other mediums and their ilk. Some sources claim he continued to doubt that this person was real, was really channeling anything up until nineteen thirty six, and that it was his wife, Lena who was the major impulse to keep

having these conversations with aliens Um. And it's worth noting that there's only really two major differences between this case, which Sadler declared real, and other automatic writing claims from the same period. Number One, the sources here are intergalactic alien governmental interns and not spirits or divine entities, which is a change Um. And number two, the claims they make are replete with specific scientific claims. So they're making

specific scientific claims about space and the universe. Um, some of these claims are very wrong. They claim that the Universe is eight hundred and fifty billion years old. It's it's not. I mean it's like fifty billions, something like that. They make claims about like how planets formed via a cretion where, which has also generally been debunked. Other claims are kind of weirdly close. They make a claim about the speed of light. That isn't far off. Um, had

that already been established at that time? No, no, again, this is the fucking twenties and stuff that they're they're putting this out, although the book isn't published until the fifties. So then again, like when some of this has been it's a mix Um, but that is something that's different, right. Is there actually they're actually making like sci fi claims here,

like it's like it's like star Trek technobabble stuff. It's nearly all bullshit, um, but the fact that they are putting out specific scientific claims in their automatic writing is really different, because nearly all of this is just kind of spiritual in nature as opposed to yeah, it just makes me think of like l Ron Hubbard and scientology.

I don't have this kind of like like full I don't know if I want to call it a philosophy or whatever, but I'm I'm very involved in the Tarot communities and the witchy magical realm or whatever, and as soon as somebody tells me that they're the only person that has contact with a specific alien, I run directions, as you're the only one that has access to this information and it's some you know, mystical being that only talks to you. Okay, I'm out ahead and it's interesting.

You see what they're doing here. They're trying to make it not seem like that by saying, well, there's a commission of people, but and eventually it's a few hundred, but none of them talk directly to the subject. So the subject will write a bunch of ships and they'll present it to this big meeting of this forum of folks and then people will like write up questions or vote on questions to ask and they're just given another sheet the next week, but none of them get to

see it get written. It's claimed to be this great mystery how the writing gets to anyone. Like the pages just appear the next morning and they say, like we had people watching over him while he was sleeping and then they turned their back for a second and there were pages. You know, like it's never clear exactly where the pages come from, but obviously nobody ever sees them, Um, get written. So that's that's fine. Um, again like spoilers.

But it's probably Sadler who's writing. Everyone was gonna say it's fine because Sadler says it's okay. He's an expert here. So yeah, Um, and yeah, you can see shades of Helena Blovotsky here, right, because she's and I think that that's probably who saddler is aping, because blovotsky again kind of comes into prominence in the late eighteen hundreds as an anti spiritualist, like pushing a very different set of things. So she doesn't believe that people are talking to the dead.

They're talking to spirits, and like these spirits are telling people stories of this vaxed epic Spanning Racial History. Right, Blovotsky has got these ancient masters who are remnants of an underground super race who started civilization, whereas you can kind of see what what saddler is doing as a

derivation of that. Right, because the people he's talking to are these like alien kind of spirits who are basically representatives of this Galactic Federation who are telling people, or who are telling humans about like, uh, what's actually happening in the universe and earth's place in it. Um, the the aliens who are controlling the subject's body and doing the automatic writing, are called midwayers. Uh, and yeah, they're

they're giving out all this sci fi ship. So, according to the revelations given by the subject to the contact commission, which are eventually bundled into a collection of writing called the arantia papers, the center of the universe, Um is a perfect well, the center of the multiverse, because this is a multiverse thing too, right, there's a bunch of Universes, at the center of all the universes. The backstory of

Doctor Strange. Okay, yes, yes, very much so. So at the center of all of the UNIVERSES is a perfect universe called Hayvona, which is created by God to be the eternal core of perfection. It's basically heaven, but heaven's got like millions of worlds and trillions of people and it's like it's built to be perfect and it's always perfect. And then all of the other universes outside of it start out as chaotic and they're free and imperfect, and so people can choose good or evil and each isn't like.

Each of these universes outside of Havona isn't created by God, they're created by one of his sons. He has a shipload of kids, like is fucking blasting out babies in this in this in this cosmology Um. And so the goal of each of these universes is to gradually work towards perfection and become as perfect as Havona. Um. In order to achieve this, God lays out an intricate interstellar bureaucracy between all the trillions of worlds and inhabited universes

and ex worlds are grouped into this category. And then all of the different systems or this and then the different galaxies, Yada, Yada, Yada. The multiverse is a big bureaucracy. Um. The spirits go into detail about this, but it is

not interesting. Um. As a general rule, the way things work is that life carriers seed each world with life and then different children of God guide each world towards perfection by sending light skinned, blue eyed aliens named Adam and eve down to upstep the natives by breeding with them. And lest they seem too area, and I should not know that Adam and eve are also eight feet tall

and have shimmering bodies. Um, this is like an Anaki, like the that's where this comes from, Annochi, big and certain strains of q and on another kind of yeah, spiritual. This is again. This is in the thirties, right, so

this is kind of precursor to all of that ship. Um. Now, unfortunately, it's also includes a lot of eugenics, e ship, because again, the idea is that you have these life created on these planets and then Adam and Eve's are sent down, which is like Adam and Eve is a job, right, that certain perfect beings are given in order to upstep races.

So they go in and they're supposed to interbreed with the natives enough that quote, inferior stocks will be eliminated and there will be one purified race, one language and one religion, according to Gardner's summary of things. Now, that's what's supposed to happen, but things go wrong on our world, which is known as Urantia, right, we're earth is ARANTIA. Now, Urantia is unique among the planets in the cosmos because it develops life independently from the children of God, and

the Life Cedars are carriers. So the son of God who was supposed to manage upstepping life on earth is Lucifer, but he and his chief assistant, Satan, decided to rebel instead. Um, they advocate for, quote, self assertion and Liberty for themselves and the people on Arantia. And this is a bad thing, right. This is framed as a bad thing. Satan, are two different entities. There are two different entities and they are they are fucking shipped up on our idea. Yeah, I'M

gonna quote next from the book ufo religions. Adam and Eve, a son and daughter of the local system, arrived and began the difficult task of attempting to untable the confused affairs of a planet retarded by rebellion and resting under the ban of spiritual isolation. According to the RANTIA papers, Adam and Eve were too impatient with the mission and wanted immediate results, but the results thus secured proved most

disastrous both to themselves and to their world. That is, they failed to adhere to the mission God set out for them. Now, all that's a little confusing, and parsing language from the book of Rantia into regular people talk can be a little difficult, so I'm going to read a summary from a write up in inverse to clarify

what is supposed to have happened. Adam and Eve messed up. So, having failed to achieve race harmonization by the edamic technique, part two, the local universe section of the book tells us, you must now work out your planetary problem of race improvement by other and largely human methods of adaptation and control. In case there is any confusion as to what that means, paper fifty one of the Rantia book says the inferior

and unfit are largely eliminated. It seems that you ought to be able to agree upon the biologic disfellowshipping of your more markedly unfit, defective, degenerate and anti social stocks. Weird because, like the Q and on, and like the modern people that are like new age anti Semitic, they're afraid of this. They're not, generally speaking, they're not. I mean, I don't know, but from what I've seen of it,

they're not for this behavior. They're like trying to wake up the people to the fact that this is what the conspiracy is behind the scenes, the deep state or whatever is actually doing. They are, although you might also note that at kind of the same time they're, UM, they're really paranoid about uh orright like. It might also be worth noting that, like, at the same time they are talking about like a purging of certain types of people from the planet, right like. That's always a major factor.

I don't know, Um, interesting stuff, but yeah, that's that's UH. And it's also kind of worth noting that the term disfellowshipping, which is in the Rantia book, that's what it calls like the elimination of specific races, the biologic disfellowshipping. When you get kicked out of the seventh day adventist church, that's called disfellowshipping right. It's a very specific term that

they use. The fellowship I'm familiar. So it's interesting again in terms of evidence, that it's Saddler who wrote this. These aliens write a lot like former seventh adventists. Yeah, it's it's it's really interesting to see how much of like this lore was built in the late eighteen hundreds to the early nine and the echoes are h still impacting us today in like the new age communities and

stuff like. People are still echoing a lot of these beliefs as fact and it's like these people this like little intricate whatever the word, the phrase was, the incestuous family unit or created all of this and then still, a hundred years later, like it's still echoing throughout as fact. Yeah, it's awesome and it's also cool that, like again you can see these aliens, which are supposedly like enlightened galactic beings, write an awful lot like a former seventh day adventist

who superindo eugenics. Like, weirdly they seem to be that kind of they seem a lot like William Sadler. I was gonna say they probably just cluded on Sadler because they're like, hey, he gets us, yeah, he gets us. Well, that's what so they will later in the book that comes out of us. Will later claim that, like Sadler's whole life was manipulated by these aliens to prepare him

for their revelations. So, like that's why he became and then left the seventh day adventist faith and got into eugenics, as they were, they were guiding him to being ready to be like a vessel for this stuff. But you know who else is a vessel for eugenics? The products and services that support this podcast, Sophie and I are entirely sponsored by big eugenics. So I would like to be excluded from this narrative. That's too bad, Sophie. I refuse to disfellowship you. You know, part of me is

like all. But then you just accused me of eugenics. So No, just of being spawnsored, Sophie, of being sponsored by eugenics. No, I'm good. The thanks so hard. Pass on the sponsored by eugenics platform that you're standing on, Sophie. Look whom, Stamonga is not sponsored by the concept of Eugenics? That's what I had to ask. Well, not anymore. We're back and we're talking about our sponsors. Big Eugenics, big EUGENICS, let's give why not? Huh? That's the that's their mode.

Why not? Huh? It's a good time. Okay, well, that's one opinion. Anyway. You might have noted from that last bit that, while most of the revelations we've talked about seemed to be like a harmless sci fi cookie shit, a lot of it kind of sounds like a genocidal rant about purging the world of like inferior races, like stuff that you could fit into Nazi propaganda pretty easily. And again, this is because it's all written by Dr William Sadler. Part of why we know this is that, Duh.

Part of why we know this is that people who have analyzed the book since after its publication note that large segments of it are plagiarized almost word for word from other books, including his books about eugenics. Very big brain. Yeah, well, he didn't assume anyone would ever have like find and replace in a in a Um. So yeah, it's cool.

The whole thing is basically a mix of his like adventist beliefs, his eugenicist beliefs in like pop psychology of the day, sandwiched between like weird pseudo Christian and like alien stuff. I'M gonna quote from inverse again. Starting around five thousand years ago, six colored races appeared on Orantia red, orange, yellow, green, blue and indigo. The earlier races are somewhat superior to the later, again because they're close to Adam and eve.

The Red Man stands far ablow above the indigo or black race, says paper fifty one of the Orantia book, and each succeeding evolutionary manifestation of a distinct group of mortals represents variation at the expense of the original endowment. Furthermore, the Yellow Ray usually enslaves the green while the blue man, which corresponds to Caucasians, subdues the indigo or black. So the ORANTIA book does not limit its racism to oblique references,

uh quote. In fact, pertext, evil in the form of illness and disease exists because unfit people's like Australian natives and the Bushman and pygmies of Africa. These miserable remnants of the Non Social Peoples of ancient times haven't been eliminated. Eugenics is the way to correct this error. So that's the RANTIA book saying that, like, basically indigenous people and

Africans need to be eliminated. They were supposed to be eliminated by Satan and Lucifer, but in their rebellions, Satan and Lucifer and Adam and Eve didn't didn't do this. So we have, so we have to now, right. That's what Eugenics is necessary because earth isn't following interstellar law. But maybe it shouldn't, like I'm sitting here thinking about it,

maybe Satan and Lucifer are right. Like the indigenous people of like Australia and Africa and wherever else, we're living in harmony with nature and as soon as it's like colonized, we start overproducing things and, you know, destroying the land and everything. So it sounds like these aliens are probably a pretty bad influence on on earth. It's yeah, it sounds like Satan and Lucifer may have may have had things right. Anti colonial kings, say the devil and his

friend Satan Um, which is cool. I do also like that in this cosmology, Jesus, who also exists and as a son of God is a brother of Lucifer, which is fun. And then like Satan's just like a guy that Lucifer works with, Um, but yeah, Satan and Lucifer again, pretty pretty based. Um. So the book goes on to note biologic renovation of the racial stocks, the selective elimination of inferior human strains, will tend to eradicate many mortal inequalities.

So basically all of our social inequality is caused by the fact that we haven't genocide it enough people. Good. That's uh, all right, we gotta honestly, it's a strong backing for a crazy sci fi novel where the main character is trying to overthrow all of this ship. It would be right. You can actually make a pretty cool story about this where you find out that, like, there's this giant intergalactic government, but they're all basically Nazis and the devil's Real, but he's a good guy who didn't

want to wipe out like. Um. Yeah, anyway, it's it's it's cool stuff. Um. Now I should also note here that Jesus is just a huge part of the RANTIA book. There's a whole chunk of it called the Jesus papers. Now Jesus is a son of God, right, but he's not the son of God because, again, God, and this is like he's like Elon Musk's dad, right, he's just like fucking ship kids out everywhere. Yeah, he is. He

is spewing children over the multiverse. To be specific, Jesus is one of seven hundred thousand Creator sons that got ejaculated out into the universe. So, like, he's not very special. At no seven kids, you wouldn't even remember their birthdays. Um, you have thousands of kids die and it wouldn't mean

ship to you. So, as best as I can tell, Jesus in this book is a wise alien who came to Earth to correct the errors that Satan and Lucifer introduced, those errors being don't genocide indigenous people and black people. So Jesus is kind of a Nazi in this Um and he also has a pretty different backstory. And to give that backstory I'm going to quote again from the

Book God talk by our Buddy the gooch. Quote the final section containing the Jesus papers, the most accessible part of the book, gives a day by day account of all incidents left out of the New Testament concerning Jesus Christ.

We learned that when Jesus was fourteen, his father died from a Derek collapsing on him, that Jesus visited a university in Athens where he thoroughly discussed the teachings of Plato, that he toured must much of the Roman world with two natives of India, go not and Gann it, that his in the tomb was speeded forward to complete disintegration, while he appeared again and what was actually a reconstituted spiritual body. Along the way, a few the Christian theological,

a few Keith Christian theological doctrines are handily abandoned. The

fall of man, the Virgin Birth, atonement, bodily resurrection. One problem in understanding the book comes with its Dizzying Roll Call of other worldly officials go between functionaries, angels, near dear near Deities, spirits, bodies, planets, galaxies, stars, transport vehicles and communication devices, somehow linking together the various worlds separated by time, space and moral distance, and an updated version of the medieval chain of being to complicate matters, this

cast of characters and locals are often given neologisms for their names and titles. The terms derived from a strange etymology that results in a kind of Indo European news speak, Calaghastia Orantia Nebadn Oravontan Morontia, each of the papers as its own presenter, identified by such theatrical names as brilliant evening star, my any messenger, vorondetic son or Malavata Melich's neck. The effect is of an exotic linguistic tissue laid over a nuts and bolts grit, and it's all like it's

kind of unreadable. You have to kind of read translations of it from other people, because if you're not reading from page one, like all of these different names and aliens, it's just fucking nonsense. That's what we're not doing. A ton of different quotes from it, but this is a

very poorly applied creative writing talent. Yes, this is somebody who should have been like l Ron Hubbard, submitting short stories to Shitty SCI FI magazine, but instead, for and this is going on for like twenty something years, they're they're submitting. You've got this forum and you've got this commission who are like submitting questions to the mighty Melich's neck or whatever. Then Melches Melcheseck or something, all these fucking ridiculous space aliens who are like coming back with

answers and they're gradually building this collection of papers. And Yeah, if what saddler and his followers say happened can be trusted, which it can't, what's going on is that they're sleeping source of right ship. The council will come back with more questions, Um, and these will get like and it's never exactly clear how the answers get written out or how the questions get delivered to the aliens. They're very

coy about the process. Um. But in nineteen twenty three the saddlers and the Kellogg's establish a forum, uh, to discuss the papers and propose better questions. I'M gonna quote from the Book Ufo Religions again here. In late nineteen five, the form became a closed group, with members signing a

pledge of secrecy. The pledge read as follows. We acknowledge our pledge of secrecy, renewing our promise not to discuss the rantia revelations or their subject matter with anyone save active forum members and to take no notes of such matter as is read or discussed at the public sessions or make copies or notes of what we personally read. The forum held its last meeting in nineteen forty two.

The ORANTIA book was published in Nineteen Five, and shortly after the publication of the RANTIA book, a final message from the MIDWARS was received by the contact commission. You are now on your own. After nearly fifty years, the connection between the mortals of our planet and the Unseen Midway Commission was severed and went dead. So that's that's the story of how the papers get transmitted right. It's all that. It's all taking place throughout his lifetime and

it's wrapping up when he's reaching older age. He's getting old, is when it wraps up. Yeah, uh, and yeah, the forum eventually has, like there's about four hundred people involved in this overall thing, while the contact commissions against five or six people and they're all saddlers and Kellogg's Um. For years, the forum members were the only people who

are allowed to read the papers. They had like a library that was operated by one of Kellogg's sons, who is also the guy that people believe is the person being channeled Um, and people could like check out papers, but they couldn't take them away from the premises. So that's the the way people are reading this for like thirty years, twenty or thirty years. Uh. William's wife, Lena was adamant that the papers had to be published, though.

So she's a big advocate of like we have to put these together in a book and distribute them to the masses. So she starts collecting money to fund to printing and has raised twenty dollars when she dies in nineteen thirty nine. When Lena falls out of the picture, the forum falls to in fighting. It seems like she was kind of the primary thing keeping this organized, and after that they start to be big personality conflicts. The

chief instigator is an author named Harold Sherman. He's a sci Fi writer whose nineteen seventy six book the green man is the origin for the phrase little green men from Mars. It's that guy. So he kind of goes to war with Dr Sadler over control of the papers and in ninety two he alleges that Sadler has been tampering with the original transcripts by the midwys and altering things. Um,

getting called out. Let's go. Yeah, yeah, it's like a weird, weird little, weird little fire within the cult, and I'm gonna quote again from God talk. Sherman then exchanged a series of disgruntled letters with another disillusioned former associate of saddler's um former associate of Saddlers, Harry Jacob Luce, a Chicago police officer and self proclaimed psychic, who felt that something snapped in Dr Sadler at his wife's death. He

characterized Sadler is a power mad SVENGALI. The truth is that Sadler is mentally unsound, loose, wrote to Sherman, a Paranoiac with a Religio power complex, feverishly grasping for greater jurisdiction over the mentalities of the many Oh that Dr Lena had lived. How different developments would have been today? Sadler has the usual evidence of long tat latent and those of later years aroused mental sadism, which is just as definite and fully recognized a condition as physical sadism.

So that's what people who are in this forum claim, right and again. None of these papers are out for other people. Yet this is purely just like a fight between these weirdos. The girls are fighting. Oh, no, whatever, is the truth of this? Like conflict within the forum saddler winds and after twelve years of editing, from like nineteen forty two, which is the last transmission, to nineteen

fifty five, they're just editing the papers together. He manages to raise the last eighty thousand dollars needed to print a first edition of the ORANTIA book on October Twelfth Nineteen Fifty Five. It is published by the R R Donnelly and sons company in Indianapolis. An organization, the Rantia Foundation, had been established to distribute the book. That mailed off

copies to cultural leaders they thought might be sympathetic. Edward R Murrow, Aldous Huxley and Eleanor Roosevelt All received copies. Nobody read it. Um like interesting, don't worry none. Look, you get a two thousand page book called the Rantia Book About Space, aliens and the mail. I mean, I actually would read that. I know it's like, is it bad that I kind of want to copy? I'm just morbidly curious. It is. It is available. Here's one of

the fun things. It is available for Free Online. The RANTIA foundation tried to keep a copyright, but somebody put it up digitally back in like the nineties, and then there was a lawsuit over it and the people who were putting it up online argued successfully in court that, like, Hey, they're claiming this is written by aliens, so they can't have a copyright for it. Yeah, this is like, Oh my God, okayright, yeah, this isn't their book. It's written

by aliens. Why do they have a copy? which is awesome. That fucking rules. It's my favorite part of this story that, like, they successfully argue in court. Look, man, if aliens wrote this ship, they can't be the ones who hold the copyrights. Um. Dr Sadler actually survived fourteen years after the book's publication. This guy lives for fucking ever. Um, he lives long enough to see his son and grandson die, to see Kellogg's turn into a sugary breakfast cereal that makes people come,

probably if I understand Dr Kellogg's science properly. Um. And Yeah, he ends to see like his publishing career fall apart. You know, people stop accepting his books. Um, but he seems to be good at the end. His last words are the world is very this world is very real, but the next one is much more real which is in line with the philosophy outline in the RANTIA book, which we're not going to get into in detail because

it's silly. What matters is that Dr Sadler dies right on the cusp of the age that was turned his book into an underground hit, and we're going to talk about that next. But you know what else is an underground hit? Tie? What else is an underground hit? The products and services that support this podcast. They're underground because they're all illegal. You know, every one of our products is smuggled into your town and or city by Burt Reynolds in a trans am, just just inches ahead of

the evil sheriff Buford t justice. Oh we're back. So nineteen sixty nine, the year Dr Sadler dies, is also obviously nineteen sixty nine, right. It's like the year that, like, the fucking New Age movement explodes. Hippies are all over the place, there's all these seekers interested Manson time, Charles Manson time, woodstock is huge explosion and interest in like Yoga, spiritualism, alternative religion, Buddhism, all of this stuff bursts in nineteen

sixty nine Um. And Yeah, the fact that the RANTIA book, which is filled with aliens but also like Jesus, is kind of like perfectly suited because again, the new age types here, they're not willing to go that far out of the box as they've been raised in. So if you're both talking about like aliens and eastern religion, but also you're throwing Jesus in there, that's going to appeal

to an awful lot of hippies. Right. The same year Dr Sadler dies, a young man named Mo Seagel is living in Boulder, Colorado and serving Asian herbal tea to customers and a small shop that he had started. His business was completely novel to Americans and to Westerners in general. All mass market tea in the United States and Great Britain at this point was made from the actual tea plant, Camillius Senesis, and thus packaged packed a heavy wallop of caffeine. Right,

tea is actually tea. At that point, herbal tea is not tea and that it does not contain the tea plant. Right, it's made up of basically any other plant. Right. But you can't buy herbal tea at that point. Obviously, indigenous people had a number of different herbal teas. The concept has existed, but nobody sells it. You can't go to a store and purchase an herbal tea. In nineteen sixty nine, most seagel is the first guy who starts this as

a business. Um So, herbal ty obviously is an ancient concept, but from a capitalist point of view it's entirely new. The same year that most starts his business, he happens across a copy of the arountia book in a shop near his house. He later wrote quote I thought it was just the goofiest thing I'd ever read. At to read it, I was not concerned about who had written it or how it had been written because it was

so powerful. So he like starts reading this is just like wow, look at this fucking ridiculous thing, and then becomes deeply pilled, I guess you say, hopefully coersive reading into it. Um So, he's just kind of been selling a handful of teas at a tiny shop, but he he after reading this book, gets convinced that he needs

to do something bigger. So he takes a group of his friends, who are all big fans of the RANTIA book, and they start hiking in the rockies and picking dozens of pounds of herbal tea at a time and mixing them together into hands owned bags and selling them, initially at local stores and then all across Colorado. The business takes off very quickly, and MOE claims that his desire to expand a nationwide is fueled by his interest in

the RANTIA book. Quote. After studying the teachings in the ORANTIA book, I knew that I would feel selfish and wasteful to simply focus on material success. So, as a young man, when I began thinking about what I could do to make a living, I have innch, I immediately turned to the health food industry. So that's what leads Mo and his fellow flower children to turn their tea company into a real business. In honor of the celestial beings who had dictated the book they held so dear,

they named it celestial seasonings. Now you'll hear a couple of different claims. They also say it's the name of like based on the flower name of one of the people who founded it, but there's debate about this. Uh. In short order, though, their sleepy time tea has become the number one best selling tea in the United States and is today the number one best selling specialty t

of all time worldwide. Um each bag includes an inspirational message written on the tag, which initially were direct quotes from the Rante a book. For whatever reason, they tended to avoid the verses about eugenics and racial inferior at Crescent Celestial seasonings is the number one team manufacturer in the United States. Its products makes more than a hundred

million dollars a year. Mo continued to lead the company from nineteen sixty nine up through a merger with craft, a corporate buy back and its eventual acquisition by the Haines celestial group. Along the way, Mo never forgot his roots, by which I mean doctor saddlers space genocide book, from a write up seagull made on the Rantia Book Fellowship website quote, and this is the founder of celestial seasonings.

Illness and disease results from evil and cause suffering. Unfortunately, several factors hinder progress towards the development of the disease free world. The Laws of genetics are immutable and form the physical cornerstone of evolution. At the present time, mankind loses about as much progress as it makes by ignoring eugenics, implying that we need to do eugenics. Yeah, yeah, we've gotta be doing more eugenic because we can't get rid

of disease. The goal of the human race is to get rid of disease, which is why am is a big advocate of natural foods. Right. Natural Foods are healthier, they keep you from getting disease, but we can't eliminate disease until we eliminate certain kinds of people. That's in same yeah, we have to stop people who are differently able or whatever from breeding and we have to stop

certain races from breeding in order to stop disease. That's the founder of sleepy time tea and that's like the problem with people that are like dipping their toes into the new age movement right now is they'll immediately be introduced to some of these concepts that, on the surface, don't seem like they're founded in Eugenics and ship like that. But once you just start like peeling the layer back, it's right there and it's unavoidable and then you're like

what do I do? Like, yeah, it's it's very funny. Um, it's not funny. You can't say if you're if you go to bed sipping a sleepy time tea, you can think. You know if you're if you use a wheelchair, if your vision isn't perfect, if you're not a white nordic, for example, if you're one of the dreaded Alpine race. The guy you sit before bed doesn't want your round head to be breeding. Um. So that's cool. Probably wouldn't have guessed that when you woke up this morning you

would apparently heard this die. I. So I do. Um, I do like a podcast called Celestial cafe actually, but it's with a couple of my we deep dive into like witchy, you know, Tarot, like Ac cult stuff and uh, we we start every episode talking about what drinks were drinking.

So we all frequently are drinking teas and things like that, and celestial seasonings has been a topic of conversation amongst the four of us because it's literally one step back into the direction of that appealing back the layer and we're like hold up, now we have a second and that's why all of the teas on my shelf, I stopped buying celestial seasonings after that. Well good, Um, it is tasty, but yeah, it's you might be willing to, you might be able to keep buying it after this.

So we'll talk about that a little at the end. So I will say too. I guess his credit, Mo never tried to hide the importance of the ARANTIA book to sleepy time tea or it's an fluence in his life. Nor did he try to hide the fact that he was a eugenicist like he's. He's not coy about this, he's not ashamed, he's proud. Nobody really notices until which is really weird. But that's not on Mo. He's very

open about this. He authors several texts explaining the RANTIA book and boiling down its teachings, and he repeatedly credits the book with providing the moral companies the compass that he and his co workers started their company on. Quote. I had wanted bold, I found bold. I wanted spiritual adventure and I was on the right of my life. I was searching for Truth and the book was loaded

with it. And there's no doubt that one of the truth's animating celestial seasonings and most Seagel was the need to purge a large amount of the human population through controlled breeding. And I'M gonna quote now from a write up by Megan Giller, and Megan Giller is the reason why people know this story. She writes an article for a now defunct website in two thousand fifteen, which is

then republished more recently by inverse. It's Megan Giller who actually again, this was all out there for people to find. Megan is the first person and she's like a food journalist who like realizes, like why isn't anyone talking about this? This is nuts, what the fuck um? So credit to Megan broke this UM quote. The fellowship is putting its

money where its mouth is too. In a two thousand ten email sent to readers with advanced information and forward looking perspectives that are not suited for being posted on the website, a follower named Martin Greenhood writes that the trustees have continuvened a panel on eugenics. He names all of the panel members, the most striking of which is Kerman Anderson, who at the time was the genetic screening program director at Kaiser Permanente in California and the author

of much genetics research. So again, members of the Rantia Foundation, like people who are inspired by this book about Alien Eugenics are like in two thousand and ten include people who are doing genetic screening at Kaiser Permanente, directing programs, and they're like convening fucking panels and God knows, like some amount of sleepy time team money is funding because most Siegel is the president of the Orantia Foundation for a large chunk of the time that he is running

celestial seasonings. You know, like they are not entirely separate. So there is a period at which celestial seasonings is to some extent aiding and funding the fucking Rantia Foundation, directly or indirectly. That's a little unclear. It's not like the company is directly handing money to them, but anyway, um or at least we don't know that they were. Now I should note for the purposes of accuracy and not getting sued, most Siegel is no longer directly involved

with celestial seasonings. He's stole on the Board for the RANTIA Foundation. He retires from the company in two thousand two. His Co founder and fellow Ranti and John Hay Quentin nineteen five because he was offended by Siegel's desire to become like Coca Cola in the words of one colleague. Um, and in two thousand seagulls sells the company to Haines Celestial Group, whose name is actually a coincidence. It seems. Haine is basically the company that invinced the natural health

food is a product category, and that's who runs it now. Um, there's a couple of shady things about hayine. Broadly speaking, they seem to be in a better company than most within sort of the food industry. Um, you know, they they have a great rating from how good, Um, in terms of social and environmental impact. There have been a couple of scandals, none of which, you're super related to

the RANTIA foundation stuff. So it's worth up until like two thousand two, you might view kind of celestial seasonings is sort of like the eugenics version of Chick Fil A. Now, probably not like it's unclear. Obviously I suspect that fucking seagull, who's still around, has stock in the in the company, and so probably because he's a big funder of the fucking foundation, you could argue that some amount of the money that celestial seasonings makes could go to the foundation,

but there's not a direct connection anymore. They're they're pretty much corporate and obviously I don't think Haines's celestial group

is funding the rantia foundation or anything like that. So you are probably safe buying sleepy time tea today, but this is where it comes from and it's it's again like all I all I'm thinking about listening to these stories is these companies were able to be so loved, I guess, by the people at the time, like back in the early nineteen hundreds, mid nineteen hundreds, that they are now titans in our food industry, like Kellogg's is still a titan here and it could never have grown

that large if it weren't so widely supported in the beginning and when they were a lot more overt with their eugenicist beliefs and stuff. That means that it was also a reflection of society, like much more deeply at the time, and it's just really disheartening. Yeah, it's interesting because, like, I think it got kind often. I think most people who would have been aware of this to some extent the Ranti book would have just been like, oh, it's a weird book about space aliens and then kind of

that that's that's it. I I think it probably was not noticed by most people that like there's genocide ship in here. Yeah, Um, and again, I don't I should honestly, to be entirely honest, if you are a sleepy time tea consumer, I don't believe any of your money is going to help this anymore. Nobody really cares about the RANTIA book. They are not certainly not doing what chick fil a is doing right, like, which is actively contributing to direct harm. This is more just like in that

weird your favorite tea comes from eugenics. Um, Wacky, Huh. It does, just make it have a sour taste to me. I'm just like there's so many other like Indie t companies I could be supporting or like smaller. Sure, sure, and that's that's perfectly reasonable. I don't want to do like people have so many find so many reasons these days to be like. Oh, another thing I love is like fucked up. Yeah, there's a fund up history here. It's fine, right, like, you're not. If you have you

don't go. You don't have to go throwing out your sleepy time tea. If it helps you go to sleep, you are it is not aiding at abetting eugenics at this point to consume sleepy time teath. I just I think it's a fun story right, like it is. It is kind of like fucking wild right that this is just like. Well, it also makes you wonder how many other just things in your cabinet have weird fucking backstories that you've never dug into. Yeah, exactly, like that's that's it.

It's one of those. I read this great article by Megan, Oh Gosh, what's her Megan Giller Um, who again gets the credit for breaking the part of the story that it's connected to celestial seasonings, and I wanted to do that story. But there's not really a lot to say. Most SEAGEL definitely sucks. He's like an example of the kind of Hippie we don't talk about enough, which is like hippies that are super racist and bigoted and like believed terrible things about the world, which he does, because

he writes about eugenics and that's fucked up Um. But at the end of the day he made like herbal tea popular, which is not terrible and I don't think I can't really see how like, I don't know, there probably is if someone were to do more research, like the fact that that fucking Kaiser Permanente, director of genetic research, is an Irantean and in part of their eugenetics commission. That someone should look into that more. That does deserve investigation.

Maybe there's a worse story here, but as I looked into it I came to be like, Oh, the story here is about Dr William Sadler. This like piece of ship trend following eugenicist and like it's just it's interesting to me how this all came together. Um, so there's another piece of like good old fashioned American occult history for you. Beautiful, delicious no number. I hope you all found it delicious. Slip it on up, suck it down, lick a look at good by the Rantea tea bag.

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