Part Two: The Darkest Episode We Will Ever Do

like marginalized people in all of German society. Right, these these homeless children, But those are not the only kids being victimized or at least experiencing elements of victimization as a result of this like pedophile infiltration of the German left and this kind of conflation of sexual liberation with like child sexual liberation. Yeah, so research on all of this is Sketchy's not the right word, but it's like it's it's it's messy because it's problematically hard to fund

any kind of research into pedophilia. But the common answer you'll get is that somewhere around one percent of the population, as like human population, are pedophiles. Right, it's kind of probably the top the high number in.

like Kinler are pushing. A good example of this is the case of Commune two, a commune formed in the summer of nineteen sixty seven by four men and three women in an apartment in a street in Berlin. I am not going to try and dissa it's geist Bruckstrassa. Maybe I did that.

the residents. The cohabitation experiment was an attempt to overcome all bourgeoisie constraints, which included everything from separate bank accounts and closed bathroom doors to fidelity within couples and the development of feelings of shame. The two children were raised by the group, which often meant no one paid much attention to them. Because the adults had made it their goal not just to tolerate, but in fact a firm child sexuality, they were not satisfied to simply act as

passive observers. Kurz book seventeen that the issue of the magazine contained a series of poster sized photos under the headline love Play in the Children's Room. It depicted Nessim and Grisha, both naked. The oversized images are of the sort that one would expect to see in a magazine for pedophiles today, certainly not in an influential publication of

the leftist Intelligensia. The caption reads, Grisha walks over to the mirror, looks at her body, bends forward several times, encircling her buttocks with her hands, and says, look, my vagina. So what you're seeing here? This is not the same thing that Kinler's doing. It's certainly not as problematic as straight up saying we are handing poor kids to pedophiles because.

I get the feeling they have a lot of anger, but not in the same way as the kids who were placed with pedophiles, probably because while the behavior of the adults in the commune engaged in was unacceptable, I don't think it involved actual sex, right, Okay, it is enough on that edge, and there are some people who argued for it. It may have I can't say for certain, right, this is a lot of these different experiments flirt at

the edge of that. The word flirt is unfortunately literally it's really it's messy and will never know fully with all of this stuff, right, Commune two, though, was not an isolated experiment. It was a pilot project an anti authoritarian living that was seen as so successful it was

followed by other private kindergartens. We talked about how all of these a lot of them are people, of a lot of them are like educators and academics are forming these like private kindergartens, which are basically like communal kindergarteners for groups of leftists with kids to like have their little kids in. Right, and these are experiments and anti

authoritarian education. These are designed to break the kind of patterns that doctor Schreber and horror and like the Nazis had put that we talked about in the first episodes of this Right, and there.

a lot to discuss. So these centers, called kinder Lootens were essentially less extreme than the commune. They involved groups of parents collaborating and creating a learning space for groups of kids. These were not all the same, but in many cases, weird ideas about sex sed were mixed with reasonable ideas for experimental childcare attempts to break the notably problematic authoritarian patterns in parenting that had been a part of the Nazi era right that had helped feed into

it parents. One of the things that people will do is like kid parents would take kids to protests, They would engage children with political education not seen in normal schools. The idea was, you should be able to talk with kids about real issues in the world the way you would with an adult, not necessarily hiding this stuff from them.

Wilmersdorf neighborhood. Like Schuller, the other parents were academics, journalists or university employees. A decided the upper middle class lot. Schuller's two sons, four and five years old at the time, grew up without the customary rules and punishments of a government run day care facility, but the adults were soon divided over the issue of sex. Some were determined to encourage their children to show when touch their genitalia, while

the others were horrified by the idea. It was never addressed quite that directly, but it was clear that in the end, sex with two female teachers was considered. Says Schuller, I found it incredibly difficult to take a stance. I felt that what we were trying to do was fundamentally correct, but when it came to this issue, I thought this is crazy, this just isn't right. But then I felt ashamed of thinking that way. I think many were in the same position.

sex in this kinder Loten. I get the feeling that in this case the parents who were talking about like who were suggesting effectively like sexually assaulted, like that they were ideologically cooked, right, that they felt like this was the most radical thing they could do and that that would make them better leftists. I say this because it doesn't sound like from Schuler's recollections, the teachers wanted to molest these kids, right, or that the parent who suggested

it wanted to watch or participate. They just felt kind of vaguely that the experience would help craft more anti authoritarian youth. It is madness, right.

for a book. This is a nineteen sixty eight tract that claimed to help parents quote create a new person and argued children can learn to appreciate eroticism and sexual intercourse long before they are capable of understanding how a child is conceived. It is valuable for children to cuddle with adults. It is no less valuable for sexual intercourse

to occur during cuddling. And this is part of why I grounded these episodes by talking about how there was for generations and statitude that like, you do not make any contact with your children other than what is the minimal necessary to maintain their surviving right and the reaction

to that goes in an equally insane direction. Right, Like it's not just well, of course parents should like hold their kids and express physical affection, but like it's fine of sex accurs, right, it's this, it's this rubber band effect when you go in that's insane a direction. It's like you should lock children alone in a room for the first day of their life and never so much as like hug them. When you break that, you're going to wind up in an equally damaging place.

you to go out into the world and meet it. Right. Yeah, Yeah, And obviously I think there's no way that handbook wasn't written by a pedophile trying to provide cover for himself and others like him it. But a lot of these very dumb parents did not catch that, and worse, awkwardly tried to live up to this supposedly revolutionary standard. Some leftist thinkers, like Monica Seyffert, a sociologist, were disturbed when the children in her kinder laden did not attempt to

have sex with the adults. She concluded the inhibitions and insecurities of the adults had likely forced those children to suppress their sexual curiosity. She saw this as a failure. And what's happening here is that you have in a

lot of these kids. This is why I say most of these these people are not pedophiles who have bought into this cooked shit because you have these attitudes that like, well, these kids should feel confident sexually experimenting with adults, and it doesn't happen because that's not natural, right, because the adults don't want it, and neither do the kids. And the most cooked of these intellectuals, like Seaford are like, well, clearly we have failed.

to stimulate their children. Again, these are still mostly these are not mostly pedophile, so this behavior they're not like actually abusing the kids physically, but instead they tell a lot of weird sex jokes, and they make a point to use words like cock and vagina constantly in front of kids. Schuller, who is like, this is kind of

how Schuler's kinder laden. They were like, well, we won't have children molest students, but instead we'll use sexual terminology around them a lot and tell weird jokes that make them uncomfortable. Shuler, looking back on this decades later, claims his kids like, overall thought the kinder laden was a good experience, but quote, they thought the constant chatter about sex was horrible because that's a normal way for children to feel about adults talking about that this way, right, well.

dick jokes. That was kind of bad. And I think Shuller's the experience of Schuler's kids does thankfully represent a majority of the kids exposed to this system, which is more what the fuck were our parents thinking than like dev stating trauma, Right, Yeah, that is the norm is like, boy, that was weird. They were fucking cooked, something was fucked

up in their heads. Like Because most of these kids were not molested, right, But between Schuler's kids and Ulrich, who is the boy who Kinler gave to a pedophile, there were a lot of children who still did suffer different degrees of abuse. Right, not as severe as like a kid being fostered with a child molester, but on that spectrum.

The Pale Heart of the Revolution. Fly Shower writes of this book, the material she used includes an account of a parent's evening where one of the mothers said that she stripped naked in front of her sons so that he could inspect her. In the process, the woman spread her legs to expose her private parts for his inspection. The game ended when the boy stuck a pencil into

his mother's vagina. The parents also spent a long time discussing whether it was a good idea to have sex with their own children so as to demonstrate the naturalness of sexual intercourse. Although the people Danenberg interview did not recall any instances of physical advances, they did describe softer forms of sexual assault, So there's pushy demands on children

to show their naked bodies. In the novel, which is based on Dannenberg's research, the eight year old character Simone is told to strip in front of several adults and other children. Why do you want to hide yourself, the mother says, to the amusement of people standing around. When the child instinctively holds a pillow in front of her genitalia, it's a beautiful thing you have there, Show it to us. And yeah. Abuse is the closest app term to describe

this totally. It doesn't quite describe how weird it is, right, but it's accurate enough. One author who studied this period, cited in der Spiegel's states that objectively speaking, this behavior was child abuse, but writes kind of confusingly, subjectively it wasn't. And that's a weird statement. One I don't really fully one I don't really agree with, but I want to continue fly Showers quote describing it, right, Okay, as outlandish as it seems in retrospect, the parents apparently had the

welfare of the children in mind, not their own. For the adherence to the new movement, the child did not serve as a sex object to provide the adults with a means of satisfying their sexual urges. This differentiates politically motivated abuse from pedophilia, and that's an interesting concept, politically motivated child abuse, right.

remake people. And I kind of think you're always doomed and wrong if that's your goal, because people don't need to be remade. You have to meet people where they are and make their lives and thus the world better. And if you if your goal is to like change what people, if you think that's what you're doing, there's so much evil that will be justified as part of that process, no matter how good your goals are, right, because it's a bad thing to what to do?

It's which are two different things. Saying that, like, we should not abuse kids the way that we were is different from saying we need to make different people, right, we need to be producing different kinds of people like you.

One of those is fine. The other leads to this shit, you know. So anyway, when I think of politically motivated child abuse, I do think back to that book To Train Up a Child. No, it's just that like that. Yeah, when I think of politically motivated child abuse, I think of the Washington State Highway Patrol. No, not quite yet,

but it is. I've always considered that book to Train Up a Child, which is like, if you look to the duggers, you know, the IBLP thes like hard right wing Christian organizations, it's their textbook for how to beat your children to make them better. Okay, I do kind of wonder I always just saw that as simple child abuse. Is it more accurate to describe that as politically motivated child abuse. I don't know, it's a bigger topic.

Was Daniel Kohne Benditt, a Green Party politician who was a student leader during in May of nineteen sixty eight protest in France and was co president of the European Greens, European Free Alliance and the EU Parliament. He was a critic of Stalinism and an advocate of libertarian socialism. And part of why I'm bringing him up is we've talked about the communists who we are cooked, and it is not just the communists.

this a politically motivated abuser or just a pedophile? Until I read this transcript of a recording that serviced in twenty thirteen, and this is Daniel talking at nine in the morning. I joined my eight little toddlers between the ages of sixteen months and two years. I wash their butts, I tickle them, they tickle me, and we cuddle. You know, a child's sexuality is a fantastic thing. You have to be honest and sincere. With the very young kids, it isn't the same as it is with the four to

six year old kids. When a little five year old girl starts undressing, it's great because it's a game. It's an incredibly erotic game. Oh my god, that's a pedophile. That's a pedophile. That's just the sun. Yeah, that's just a straight up pedophile.

to the right in Germany recently. Fair because people are furious when they learned out that this was right.

as a sexual orientation that deserved to be treated with respect. Now, in true German fashion, the Indian Commune with both an act of cultural appropriation and mind numbing abuse Germans. We've talked with this in our very first episodes on Karl May. There's this weird obsession with Native Americans that is based entirely in almost entirely in the fiction of a guy who never went to America and just lied about Native Americans. Yeah,

and it influenced the Nazis. Loved like Hitler was a huge like like was this kind of weird Native American stand where he was not actually standing any real history like what this German altim, but he thought he was. And there's still a lot of weirdness around Native Americans in German society today. This is one example of it, right.

The Indian Commune is a group of adults and children who painted each other up like Native Americans are, like their conception of Native Americans, and showed up at that year's Green Party convention to argue in favor of free sex for adults and children. Almost unbelievably, the Greens gave them a hearing more than that. In nineteen eighty five, the Green State Organization in Westphalia argued that nonviolent sexual

contact between adults and children should be decriminalized. Another state Green Party published a position paper making the same argument, until public protests forced them to remove it. Again, we're in the eighties by now, so there's pushback to this. This movement had a name, the pedo sexual movement, and it succeeded for a while because a lot of non pedophiles bought their bullshit, But the driving force behind it was always highly placed, influential peederists in the Green Party.

One of these pedophiles was Hermann Mehr, a leader in the party who lived on a commune that openly advertised engaging in pedophilia. One victim later told the magazine Develt that mer abused him, along with quote about ten men, many of whom were visitors to the commune, who seemed to have shown up for that purpose. Right, this is a place you can like, Yeah, it's so easy, so vile.

Another pedophile leader of the pedo sexual movement was Peter Schult, an anarchist journalist who described himself as a pederist and was convicted of bringing a girl into his house to abuse in nineteen seventy six. Schult denied the allegations and claimed that he was being punished for his sexuality and political organizing. He attracted a great deal of support, and in nineteen seventy seven he wrote an angry pamphlet attacking

anarchists who hadn't supported him. He described them as preaching anarchy while being offended at the sight of lived anarchy.

they found him in state institutions. His address was passed from one boy to another as a place where runaways could find temporary shelter. His address was also well known to the authorities, whose authority the anarchist Peter refused to recognize, and he was sent to prison numerous times on charges of drug possession and seducing minors. A number of left wing publications were unfortunately woefully open to the arguments of

Peter's actual advocates. Tag Zeitongue, a an all weekly publication, published interviews with pedophiles where they discussed how wonderful their sex with little boys was when g d Hinsel, co founder of the paper, argued that they should not be promoting pedophilia. She was described as being a prude and told quote, there's no such thing as censorship in the tag Zeitungue, Like basically, we don't censor people from talking about molestic children.

In nineteen ninety four, the pedos appearing in Tagzitung for the last time, and even that publication recognized that intercourse with little boys was no different than with little girls who, thanks to the women's movement, have long been deemed worthy

of protection. And that's a worthwhile note on this is that when we talk about these people supporting sexual contact with kids from adults, a lot of them in the kinder Looten movement, it's this broader like, well, we just need to be more open to kids' sexuality, for both boys and girls when it comes to like pairing abused children with pedophiles, you know, both officially through the state has happened with Kintler and kind of unofficially like that

anarchist we talked about, did it's all little boys, because there's a broader understanding that you like, the feminist movement has already pushed through this understanding that that's not acceptable to do with little girls, and it took later for boys, right, And some of this is wrapped up in a lot of really complicated shit about the suppression of male homosexuals in Germany and throughout the West, and how common relationships

between much older and much younger men. You know, were like, this is a messy, messy topic, right, Yeah, but it is kind of worth noting that, like part of what brings this to an end is when folks start arguing that, like we already agree it is wronged to molest little girls, why are we treating boys differently?

In nineteen eighty eight. Marco was crossing the street alone when he was hit by a car. This was a minor incident. He was not severely injured, thankfully, but his injury the fact that he was not attended right drew the attention of a local youth wealth fare office, which was also run by the Berlin government. From the New Yorker quote, Caseworkers at the office observed that Marco's mother

seemed unable to give him the necessary emotional attention. She worked at a sausage stand and was struggling to manage parenthood on her own. Marco's father, a Palestinian refugee, had divorced her. She sent Marco and his older brother to daycare in dirty clothes and left them there for eleven hours. Caseworkers recommended that Marco be placed in a foster home with a family like atmosphere. One described him as an attractive boy who was wild but very easy to influence.

Hinkel a forty seven year old single man who supplemented his income as a foster father by repairing jukeboxes and other electronics. Marco was Hinkle's eighth foster son in sixteen years. When Hinkel began fostering children in nineteen seventy three, a teacher noted that he was always looking for contact with boys Hinkel specifically. Now again this is part of this is a result of the program that Kintler has instituted. Kinler is in content with Hinkel. Marco has two parents,

both of them are in his life. They're separated, but his dad, the Palestinian refugee, is in his life, and so is his mom. They are both just poor and so as a result, they're scrambling to make enough money to get by, which means they are there are times when this kid is not watched as much as would

be ideal. Right, the state takes him away from them for that, probably in part because there's a lot of writing about how like once they see his dad, they're like, well, we have to keep him away from this dangerous Muslim, right, like this authoritarian influence. Right, it's really really fucked up. So people in the senate and educational offices within the Berlin City government were well aware that Hinkel was a pedophile adopting boys, eight boys by the time he fosters Marco. Right,

they don't stop any of this. He's again, this is when I talk about guys like Kittler being like, well, some kids are in such desperate straits that being with a pedophile is best for them. This is what they mean. Well, this kid's mom and dad are separated, and they're not people like us. They're not warm, so it must be better for him to be raped repeatedly, right, That is

the calculation they're making. In nineteen eighty nine, a caseworker wrote that Hinkel was in a quote homosexual relationship with one of his foster sons, possibly Marco, a prosecutor. And again, this is not a relationship. I'm not calling it. That is what the caseworker calls it. In nineteen eighty nine, a prosecutor did call for an investigation, but Helmut Kintler, who described himself as Hinkel's permanent advisor and also called

Hinkel regularly to talk politics, intervened. Kintler described himself to this prosecutor as the quote nation's chief authority on questions of sexual education, and at this point he was famous. He is regularly interviewed in the news. He is consulted by political leaders. He is a prominent and respected academic. He sends a letter on university letterhead to this prosecutor, issuing an expert opinion on Henkel, saying I've got to know this guy well through a research project we're both

engaged in. Hinkel is a wonderful parent, and he attacks the wild interpretations of this psychologist who had accused him of pederasty. The threats of an investmentation went away. Several times a year, Hinkle would drive to see Kinler at the school where he taught. Kentler would study the children and take notes. He was happy enough with Hinkele that he kept a ready stream of boys heading into the

pedophiles home. After Marco had been there eighteen months, he was joined by a kid named Spinn, who had been found at age seven begging for money in a subway station. The Youth Welfare office noted that since he'd likely never experienced a positive parent child relationship, he was a good candidate for Kinler's program.

Get him off the street and not into a pedophiles house. Right, Like, these are not complex problems. We're not talking about like intractable issues of geopolitics. Yeah, anyway, I'm going to quote again from The New Yorker. The two boys took on different roles in their new family. Spinn was the good son, docilen loving. Marco was more defiant. But at night, when Hinkle came into his room asking to cuddle or waiting for him while he brushed his teeth before bed, he

had to comply. I just accepted it out of loyalty because I didn't know anything else. Marco told me. I didn't think what was happening was good, but I thought it was normal. I thought of it a little bit like food. People have different tastes in food, the way some people have different tastes and sexuality. If Spinn's bedroom door was open and he wasn't there, Marco knew what was happening, but the two boys never talked about what Hankle did to them. It was an absolutely taboo subject.

Marco said. One day, Marco took a knife from the kitchen and slept with it under his pillow. When Hinkle approached his bed and discovered the blade, he withdrew quickly and he called Helmut Kentler, and he then handed the phone to Marco. Kentler asked him why he brought the knife into his bed, and Marco said, there's a devil behind my wall. Kindler had a call me grandfatherly presence. He assured Marco that there was no such thing as devils,

and Marco agreed to surrender the knife. Never give up your knife, kids, never ever up your fucking knife.

get him back. But Henkel has all the power. He would cancel visits at will minutes before they were set to begin, or he would end them early, often claiming that Marco's mother was disruptive to Marco's emotional state. The stress and drama Hankel created around these visits caused Marco to wet his bed and fail to focus at school, and Kentler used this as an excuse to end the visits entirely, telling the welfare office that Marco's educational successes

are ruined by seeing his mom. Marco's Palestinian father was not allowed to visit at all because Henkel told authorities that Marco said he'd been beaten by his father. We have no I I think Marco has said that this was not true, but likes he is backing up anything Hinkel says because Hinkel is his caregiver, and as he states, I didn't know I could disagree with him about stuff right now. There are times that authorities saw through these lies.

One of the mandated child therapists that Marco saw described Henkel as holding the boy prisoner during their sessions. Several different mandated therapists complained, but anytime stuff started to move in a way where like maybe the kids would be taken away from Hankel, Kintler would swoop in. He told the Youth Welfare office they were not qualified to assess a child who was as damaged as Marco. If an assessment was needed, only Kintler was established enough to do it. Yeah, right,

right exactly. He acknowledged that Hinkel could appear harsh and hurtful, but this was not so. Quote. I ask you to consider that a man who deals with such seriously damaged children is not a simple person. What mister Hinkel needs from the authorities is trust and protection. It is the cop argument. What they're dealing with is so dangerous and vile that they have to use extreme measures, and we can't. We're not qualified to question them, right it is anytime

you hear that logic, it means someone is doing something terrible. Yeah, Marco's parents spent years trying to get him back. This is not something he realizes as an adult. Oh my god, I was not abandoned. My parents fought for me. These two poor people, one of whom is a Palestinian refugee, were basically ranged against the entire power of the city government of Berlin, which was being effectively wielded by this weird pedophile philosopher against them. You know, there is a

court case. Henkel coaches Marco to tell the judge that he wanted to stay with his foster father, who he called Papa. Marco claims, I didn't really know what was going on. I did not understand that my parents were fighting to have a connection to me. I thought that they had basically abandoned me, and I was scared of angering Henkel and also traumatized from the near knightly abuse. Right, there was one bright spot in his childhood, which is that it's a weird one. It's that this again pedophile

who is fostering him gets a third foster son. This foster son is a disabled little boy named Marcel. Now, the fact that Hankel, the pedophile, sought to take possession of a boy who could not walk or talk is horrifying in ways that I cannot describe and will not labor on. But Marco and Sfinn came to love Marcel and treat him as their own blood. They took care of this boy like because he was their brother from

the New Yorker. Marco and s Finn became Kramer's caretakers, feeding him strawberry flavored milk with a spoon and removing mucus from his lungs with a suction hose. When they went to Hankel's house in Brandenburg, west of Berlin, Marco pushed Kramer for hours in a tire swing. Kramer was the first person in years for whom Marco had felt love. Now, yeah, like the fact that these both of these kids being

so profoundly abandoned and abused. When they see this disabled boy who is in desperate need of not just medical care, but attention. Yeah, provide. It is a wonderful bit of light in this right. Yeah. Marco struggles with school obviously, and part of this is because Hinkel is encouraging him to neglect his studies and misbehave right, because the worse Marco does in school, the more they have an excuse.

They switch schools every year, which means that no adults get to spend enough time around Marco to realize what is going on. Hinkel is a very effective and methodical abuser, and that's what's going on here. His tactics work until Marco goes through puberty and starts lifting weights. One night, when Henkel came to molest him, Marco fought back, not even a lot, but that spelled the end of him being molested forever. Hinkel, of course, still responds aggressively to

this in his own way. He would lock the kitchen at night. He justified it by to Kintler by claiming that Marco was greedy. You know, he would fight back, but he he did not keep molesting Marco, right because he's afraid of him. Because he was afraid of him. Now, now here's where things get complicated. When Marco turns eighteen, you might expect him to have gotten the hell out of the house, but he doesn't. He lives with Henkel for three more years. He says part of this is

that he didn't even consider leaving to be possible. Quote. Yeah, it's very hard to describe. But I was never raised to think critically about anything. I had an empty mind. Those are his words. He says this. But there is a very clear reason he stayed with Henkel, which is that his beloved adopted brother is living there too. Marcel is there. Marco willingly stays in the house of his abuser for three years so that he can continue to be a caregiver to his brother. This only ends when

Marcel dies after a forty eight hour flew. Marco says he always checked on his brother multiple times throughout the night to make sure he was breathing, so he noticed very quickly that something was wrong. He tried to get Hankle to call for an ambulance, but hankeld not when any of the boys going to doctors, and so Marcel died while Marco watched. Quote I was looking into his eyes when he died. Now this does not prompt an

investigation into Hankel. Marcel was an abandoned disabled child and was thus of less than no value to the Youth Welfare office. His file simply noted call from mister Hankel, who said Marcel died unexpectedly last night. Previously there were no signs of an infection. The following note says that Hankel, now sixty, wanted to adopt another boy. So talking about how long this goes? Marcel dies in two thousand and one, Kentler's program experiment is still going into the twenty first century.

they fought back against her attempts to expose him. Eventually, her university contract was canceled, and she blames this on the fact that she chose to research Kentler. She eventually wrote a book on the man, which revealed that he was not just some wild eyed academic who bought into bogus science. He was also a pedophile. Kintler, a single man, adopted three sons and fostered several more children. Two of

his foster sons have accused him of sexual abuse. They initially went to Karen Desrat, an author and researcher, who quote owed a lot to Kintler and thus referred the boys to another therapist rather than do anything when they came out to her. She claims the boys themselves wanted the abuse kept quiet because they quote didn't want to lose the positives of Kinler's care, that they had enough to eat and that they were taken care of in

things like that. I'm going to read another quote from that New Yorker article about kind of the collapse of Kentler's reputation. Gunter Schmidt, a former president of the International Academy of Sex Research, which attracts the field's leading researchers, was friends with Kinler for more than twenty years. I honestly had respect for it, he told Nitwig of the experiment, because I thought, these are really young people who are

in the worst situation. They probably have a long history at home, they had miserable childhoods, and someone is looking after them. And if Kinler is there, it'll be fine, he added, And the Berlin Senate is also there. When Kentler was fifty seven, he wrote Schmid a letter explaining why he was aging happily rather than becoming lonely and resigned. He and his twenty six year old son were quote part of a very fulfilling love story that had lasted

thirteen years and still felt fresh. To understand his state of mind, Kentler wrote his friends should know his secret. Kinler seems to have reappraised his belief that pedophiles were good caregivers to abandoned children in nineteen ninety one, after that adopted son that he had bragged about having a

good relationship with committed suicide. Now it's unclear to me if Kinler, and this is still a bit of a mystery me is he was he How much of this was like he's in this ideological space, and how much of this is he was always a pedophile. I really don't know with Kinler because he claims he claims to have recognized that there was like he had made errors in his beliefs around this stuff after his adopted son

commit and abuse victim commits suicide. He would later claim that during the nineties, he reads this essay by a Hungarian psychoanalyst, Sandor Farinsky, that changed his mind on pedophilia. Farinsky wrote that sexual relationships between adults and children were always exploitative and dangerous for children. After his son's suicide, Kinler cited this paper often, but never admitted to molesting

his own adopted children. He simply said that his child had been molested by his birth mother and committed suicide due to that.

sort of hibernation. After five years, he began to feel as if he were a monster due to his lack of empathy and destructive outbursts. This culminated in a fight on a Berlin train when he noticed three men staring at him and just beat the shit out of them, sending one man to the er. Marco was horrified by himself and the way he interprets this is like I am turning into Hankel who abused me, and he made

a commitment to change. Not long after this, he was walking down the street when a woman, a photographer, complimented his appearance and asked, do you want to do any modeling for me? Right? So he sat for some photos with her, and this didn't lead to any modeling work. But he becomes friends with this woman and he starts to meet other people through her, and he gets a fringe group.

enable healing. And thankfully Marco was. He makes friends, he develops relationships that are equal relationships with other adults, and he heals himself right, becomes a father, and like, it's the best possible ending that this guy has. And there's even this coda he gets when all of this stuff starts to come out, Like around twenty eighteen, Marco is contacted by a guy who works for alternative for Deutschland, Germany's far right party, as an advisor for education and

cultural policy. And this guy Schwer reads about Marco in a Derschpiegel article in twenty eighteen about Kentler's experiment, and he's like, you know, he starts basically offering help from the AfD. He claimed it's not for political purposes, but like to really help him get justice from the parliament, right to like get some money out of them.

victims of Kinler's experiment. This is like, it's not common for there to be compensation for damages and significant amounts in Germany. In the same way it is in the US. This is like a scene is a significant amount after the Senate makes this basically and the Senate apologizes, right, so not only do they give them money, they're like, OK,

this was bad, this was a fuck up. Christopher Schweer, the AfD advisor, advises Marco and Spinn to keep fighting at this point, to like basically be posters for this movement where you're basically where you're arguing. Kind of everything about sex said in Germany is based in Kintler and that's evil. Marco is like, well, I don't understand why I would do that. Like, we've got our wishes. There's no point in continuing to like fight the Senate. They did the thing that we wanted them to do, quote

from The New Yorker. But Schweer kept pushing him. Marco said, Schweer denies this. Then I slowly got suspicious. That's Marco. I asked myself, what else should I want. That's when I got the feeling that the AfD just wants to use me to play me up, and I said, I

don't want to be a political tool. I don't want to get pulled into an election campaign and it's just like it's remarkable to me, Like, how fucking dope this guy is, Like how strong you have to be to like make yourself into the man he became given what was done to him. It's a really remarkable story. Yeah, so I guess this bastard's episode ended with a cool person who did cool stuff. Yeah, congratulations Marco. Yeah, Oh, how are we feeling at the end of this all, Markret?

I really appreciated you ending with something something a little positive, but also I like learned a lot in terms of you know, it's just like, oh, there's some bad people and they do bad stuff, right instead this like there's this thing that every ideology, like you're even in this where you're talking about like the left and the liberal government are two different ideologies, right, and both of these stories have had like pedophilia injected into them and then

baked into an ideological structure. And one of them is the ideological structure of the foster care system, and the other is of the like kindergarten system of radicals or whatever. And so it's just like every ideology across the board. If there's a way that pedophiles can try to interchect their awful nightmare ideas into it, they like will and do, and so I appreciate watching that stop. I appreciate that, like feminist discourse was able to interject and say, hey,

this is actually bad. And then like, and it's interesting because you mentioned the maybe Austrian or check or something, the guy who wrote the essay that was like, actually you can't have any consensual relationship.

where I'm like, sure, no, yeah, that was people and bad. Yeah, and lots of people knew it, you know, And actually slavery is like a weirdly comparable thing where like everyone's like every ideology came up with a way to make it okay, and then people of every ideology were like, well except certain ideologies that were just pro slavery or whatever, but like, yeah, overall people were like, I don't think you can like own a guy, and people like the Bible says you can own a guy, and other people

be like, well, the Bible says fight to stop evils and your evil.

it makes you vulnerable to this sort of thing. There should be you need, like you need like your own personal like you know, not not to I don't know the US government the way we do things. Obviously there's

a lot of flaws. But one of the things that provide some protections that we have a bill of rights, and you kind of have to have a personal bill of like what are my lines politically totally morally what's not It's like, how I have a personal line that if you're killing children, I don't care why you're justifying it. I don't care if your political cause is righteous, I don't care if they're the basis kids, you shouldn't kill kids.

the label doesn't that's not what's important here. I don't pick, you know, even as like like a trans girl or whatever. I don't like wake up in the morning and be like, what does a trans girl do? I'm like, no, I do what I do. And then the closest gender label to what I do in my own head is transgirl. And yeah, that is we get so caught up in it.

you had no idea who you were, right, totally. You took on this ideology because it comfortingly gave you an identity, but you didn't. You hadn't figured out the person that you wear. You were using your ideology as an excuse to not do that, And that is again that makes you vulnerable about to stuff like this. You know you do even when you realize like, oh, how clearly, like certain things politically are obvious, you know, are obviously right,

you know are obviously wrong. That doesn't that's not an excuse to not figure out who you are.

and I'm like, man, I I sure wouldn't be sad if someone broke into that man's house and shot him to death.

that's supporting a kind of pedophilia. It is politically motivated abuse, you know, in the same way that these fucked up leftists are. But the fact that the right does this and has in the current period more political success doing this sort of thing doesn't mean we can ignore this history, because like it's important, not just maybe we're maybe we will never again have influential pedophiles on the left, you know, pushing through these kind of politics into like actual action.

Maybe I don't know that I think that's made, but there will be and currently is in fact other things.

they are anarchists who don't like what I'm doing. They don't really believe in lived anarchy, you know.