Part Two: RAM- Lifestyle Fascism

Am I saying that people should go out and commit crimes against drop Box corporate property? Yes, yes I am. I am specifically and legally actionably urging people to do that. This has been my favorite intro of yours. Robert, thank you, thank you. That's what we need. Go out and crime my children, go out and crime anti Dropbox action. Yeah exactly a d A baby, I got that tattoo right

on my chest. Um. Our guests today is the same as our guest in part one, Garrison Davis, who is actually our reverse guest, and I am the guest on my own podcast learning about the Rise Above movement Ram Yeah and now the not Ram the NAM Yeah. The remnants of yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah, that was good. That was good. You gotta lean into ship like that. Garrison, never admit, never admit mistakes. That wasn't a mistake, that was That was a pun. Puns are never mistakes except

when they are. Okay. Um. Anyway, when we when we last high, it's Garrison again from the Twitter and podcast or whatever. Um. When we last left off, four RAM members got convicted for their violent actions in Charlttesville, and another four got their charges dropped. Um. Chief among them was RAM co founder and leader Robert Rundo Um when when let when let out of jail in a nineteen in June, he decided to flee to Eastern Europe on more of those extended vacations. So he so he he

has said he has to a jail. He's not super thrilled about law enforcement. UM, I never like never actually is. We'll talk about more about later. But he decides to leave the States because he thinks that if he gets in the States, we'll just get into more trouble. Um. So he goes to Eastern Europe, where he tries to build up a media slash clothing brand of athletic lifestyle fascism, which that kind of stuff has a lot of established roots in that area. Um, in the whole section of

the world. Um yeah, I mean yeah, Ukraine is huge, that ship, Yeah, and all France, um, Russia and all of that, all of that stuff has a lot of a lot of this kind of thing. Um. But this isn't the first time he actually would attempt to do something like this. Um. Remember in the uh in the the pro Publica thing and within when they interviewed the remember the remember said that they wanted to stop going to rallies as much. Um after that, you know, someone

after they murdered someone in Charlottesville. Um. So after after that, with the right coming under a whole bunch of more scrutinty for like kind of the first time, um, because again they killed someone in broad daylight. Um, the RAMS violent actions got put on a little little bit of

a pause. Um. And uh so they stopped doing in personalities as much and they started instead by focusing on building a fashy lifestyle m m a clothing brand here in the States, um, in lieu of their white nationalists m m AH clubs, including brand inspirations like the Russian based White Rex um Thor's Steiner, which is another one based in Germany, UM, which we'll get into a little little a little bit more in a bit UM And yeah there's a there's one in a France too, but

I forget its name. Um so in uh. In January eighteen, Rob Rundo and Ram secretly started the quote the Right Brand clothing company. I say I say secretly because at the time no one knew was associated with ram UM and nothing on their website was tied to RAM except all of the models for their clothing products was all re member, So people if you were like following the anti anti racist action stuff, you could like be like, oh, this is the same dude posing in these photos for

this this is they're probably the same people. And eventually we found it like they were they were. It was the same guys doing like running both UM. The Right Brands motto was style Identity Revolt, which is uh, yeah, anyway, UM, any any kind of regular Republican or conservative and probably even some liberals wouldn't find much of a problem with their site or products. UM. It wasn't super explicit about what's premacy, as later branding attempts would be but the

now defunct website is riddled with dog whistles. Um. The homepage bills itself as a nationalist apparel company committed to bringing you the highest quality goods. Our products are designed both for casual active lifestyles, made for our people, by our people. So again that's you know, our our people quote unquote meaning meaning meaning white people. Um. They their websites actually kind of it's kind of it's kind of a hoot to to scroll around on because it's very stupid. Um.

And they they filed that was so precious. Um. The the about section of their website reads, quote m the Right Brand was founded by a mix of frontline patriots from all around America that wanted to take part in creating a counterculture to the Marxist and degenerate ideals that are constantly being forced upon us from big corporate Hollywood and media and liberal campuses. So note note on their grammar there. I'm not correcting their grammar from the website.

I'm just doing one for one. I just want to point out that you went full Canada in that a boat section going to be even more white than they are. Uh, how's that's the only way to take them down. You gotta go, you gotta go even wider. You gotta burn salt, throw your pepper in the sea. Continuing their about section um modeling after successful European patriotic and nationalist movements, we created a coalition of apparel and accessories based on these concepts.

All of the founders are young activists that have been at some has. Some have been at some of the biggest events in around the country and have personally been on the front page for their boldness and stood against the waves of the left. At the Right brand clothing. We have gone out of gone out of our way to reach out to companies and movements in Europe that are engaged in the same battles we are. We procured a selection of their products and have made them available

for sale here in the United States. This helps keep um slash our guys slash employed and able to sustain their struggle against the European Union and other sub subversive forces. Um so Slash hour Slash is a white nationalist dog missile for being like someone being a Nazi essentially um which you know what's that started on four chan, right, Robert, Yeah, yeah, the slash our things, Yeah yeah, that's that's I mean, as far as I know, that's where that started. Okay,

with internet culture, like who the hell? Like I I have at least got popularized. It's got, it's got popularized on the chains for sure. Um the Right brand pride itself on having a quote ethical supply chain quote. Our supply chain is free from forced, unplaid labor, child labor, and human trafficking. We are also committed to sourcing only from companies and individuals who share slash our values SLASH.

When we purchase products from Europe, we are supporting families and communities that believe in traditional values the American fiscal support. Through American fiscal support, we are furthering our mutual shared idea EELS to us. Ethnically sourcing materials and services also includes us not giving any money to our shared enemies or those who do not align with slash our values SLASH. So they're not even being that suttle because they're putting

the slashes in there. Um So, I don't I don't know what quite their audience was for this, um, I mean there the company did not last too long, partially because a lot of their members got charges and were sent to jail during you know, before their trials. Um. But they never got super popular. Um they never their clothing company never really took off. Um. The products themselves are kind of just pretty basic athletic gear with various designs on them. Um. Some are adorned with like Viking

imagery and runic letters. Other shirts read Alpine Division. Um. They had they had an anti communist action shirt with crossed rifles. Um what what what? One of their One of their popular designs says revolt against the Modern, which is a little Julius Evola reference, which I will talk more about later. Um. Under a section titled activism, they sell fucking Antifa stickers and Modern White Youth stickers, so the stickers are a little bit more explicit about what

what they're doing. Um. The the Modern White Youth stickers depicts the dangers of wrath, feminism, homosexuality, third world immigration, white guilt, cultural Marxism, communism, drugs, and and and degeneracy being forced onto young white people. It's a weird design. I don't know how to describe it, besides just that it's like these things are getting like fed into this

young white person's mouth or whatever. Very silly. Um. And honestly white Area in Resistance comic from the nineteen nineties. Honestly kind of based wrath, feminism, homosexuality, thirdble, immigration, white gilt culturemrxism, communism, drugs, and degeneracy. Not all terrible. Most of those are actually pretty fine. I'm a big fan of generous, so honestly, I would not protest if this

was getting injected into me. UM. Let's see. Uh, The Right Brand school was to both set up an American version of White rex in the within the style of you know, the m M, a white nationalist UM lifestyle brand to help spread their propaganda and recruit young men. UM. But also it was to get the guys that ran a job because they all kind of got in trouble and their tree trimming business kind of fell apart after Charlottesville. UM, so they started this to kaid of trying to keep

themselves employed. So that's pretty funny. UM. The to be fair, UM, the Right Brand was kind of semi open about where their funds were going. UM. They broke it down into four sections on their website. UM. One section red sponsorship, We hear the Right Brand believe in healthy, believe heavily in athleticism for today's youth as a way to fight against the less on spot of degeneracy and drug culture

that they promote. We need a youth that is strong in their mental capabilities to lead our to lead our way. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I'm gonna the rest of it. Um. They're they're they're talking about sponsoring athletes with gear and clothing UM and look to make sure they can pay people's local gym memberships UM and trying to get people, you know, involved in boxing, in

the major jitsu, wrestling, mutai, bodybuilding, and other physical sports. UM. Their funds also go to political activism for the few groups that promote healthy ideals and the values people reach out and help them with our shared goals. This so fucking silly to me that these guys are so into m M A and so in the movie Mutai, and they're also like fundamentally anti like not just anti globalization but anti like um because you know, there's reasons to

be anti globalization, but like anti cultural interchange. They're they're like against the idea of cultures mingling and mixing, and the entire idea of M A is to take the best things from different cultures of martial arts and them together. What sport. What does the first word of with of mm A stand for uh mixed mixed Yeah yeah so yeah so sponsorship, potal actimism. The other thing that the right brands um money goes to is legal matters. Yeah,

they have a lot of those. From time to time, patriots will get singled out for noble actions by fake news or legal prosecution. We will make sure these patriots are not alone and undefended. Their actions will be appreciated. Um. And the last thing their money goes to is to expand to further the messages of white nationalist ideal. Sorry of nationalist ideals. They did not put white in there.

Um and healthy values. So when you buy a shirt, you're not just buying a piece of fabric, which are supporting the fight for all of our freedoms and our identities in a new way forward, which is very inspirational if you're a Nazi, I guess, um, so like they did, they they did, they did kind of lay it out. So but most of their funds I assuming, I'm assuming we're going to pay to for their gym, for their

gym memberships. Um, this is what I'm kind of getting out of this um and yeah, I was, and I was trying to give the round people a job after they all kind of got in trouble at the tree trimming nous um because people didn't want to hire Nazis tree trimming Nazi business. Yeah. Uh. A few months after RAMS started their clothing company, some members embarked on a European tour to network with similar white nationalist mm A lifestyle groups all across Europe. Um, in their own words,

to bridge the gap between the two nationalist scenes. Because RAM really was trying to be the kind of American version of these groups that have existed in Europe for a while. Um. And I mean, thankfully it never never really took foot that much, but I still think it probably could or something similar probably could, um yeah, very soon. Because there have been other ways in which kind of the m m A scene has been a little bit

sort of infected by far right politics. Like a good example would be kind of some of the people who go on Joe Rogan show. Obviously, like that's a vector. And I wonder if like maybe part of the reason why the explicit the fascist stuff like that RAM has been doing hasn't gone as far, hasn't infected the scene

as far as it might have. Is because there's kind of like already something of an inoculation in that area to it, um, like a milder version has spread, and maybe there's not as much appetite for the more extreme stuff because people have already bought into some aspects of that stuff and they don't necessarily want to. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. It's an interesting question.

Someone who knows a goddamn thing about m m A might might might look in at Yeah, I'm not if you couldn't tell from the way I look, if you've seen me in videos, I'm not really an m m A person. I am more of a run very quickly person. Um. So I'm really not the best person to comment on mm A stuff because running is generally the best self defense. Yeah. Most of what I do is run on run and climb tall buildings, um, which I enjoyed doing a lot um um. So, Yeah, they were trying to bridge gap

between the two national scenes. UM. The big event they attended and that worked at was the annual Sword and Shield Festival in Germany, a mixed martial arts tournament, and a far right slash white nationalist conference held on Hitler's birthday. Um. The two day Nazi Festival draws in about a thousand attendees and it's put on by Germany's National Democratic Party. UM. Yeah, so you should be able to tell what the National Democratic Party is based on their name, um if you

replace the word democratic with I don't know a different word. Um. Anyway, the the event itself consists of speeches, metal concerts, and a big merch room and a martial arts and a martial arts tournament. It is essentially comic con for Nazis. That is kind of what I'm getting out of this. Um. They have like this giant merch room, they can meet like you know, famous, not two people. It's just it's just comic con for you know, fascists. Comic for fascists.

Oh boy, yeah, I bet the bathrooms are just with steroid natives. I mean just just just dripping, like you wash your hands and you get h on them from the sink. Sounds great. The oddly enough I mean, or maybe not oddly enough, but the m the mm A portion of the event is the largest white nationalist combat sports event in the entire world. Um, it's like this is actually like a very big deal in these kind

of these kind of circles. UM. On the same trip, UM, the RAM team also stopped in France for the White Nationalists of Boxing event to put on by the Nazi group genera Generation Identity UM, who is kind of similar to like White Rex and like you know, they're the clothing brand thing. But also Generation Identity UH inspired the U S based group and in the Auropa on more of like the race realism type of things. I know. Then the Europa has like a different name now and

it's kind of defunct. UM. So that's probably good. But I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure we haven't seen the last of that type of thing. UM. So about a week after the Sword and Shield Festival, Rob Rundo and Ben Daily and another Red member UH, Robert Smithson. They have a lot of Roberts. They've rob Bundo, Robert Bowman, Robert It's all these people born in the eighties named Robert.

It's it's a lot of them. UM. Anyway to Roberts in a bend headed out to Ukraine to attend Fascist r and b they tourist to attend an mm A competition at a nightclub in Kiev that puts on events for what supremacists. UM. Rob Undo actually competed in this

one and he lost. UM, so that's good UM. And then whilst in Ukraine, they also hung out with Dennis Nickitten Um, who is the founder of the neo Nazi athletic mm A lifestyle brand White Wrex, which we have talked about a little bit UM, which was again one of the main inspirations for Ram in the first place. Uh Nikotin was one of the first to notice the declining popularity of skinhead culture and then try to replace it with combining mm A subculture with fall right political ideologies.

When he founded White Rex back into US an eight UM and it's been growing ever since. UM. Around the same time Nickatin met with Ram, he also spoke with The Guardian in an interview UM. In an interview he said this quote, if we kill one immigrant every day, that's three hundred six immigrants a year, but tens of thousands will come anyway. I realized we're fighting the consequences, but it's not the underlying reason. So now we must fight for the minds not on the streets, but on

social media. So he's basically saying, even if we kill you know, one immigrant today, still thousands or more gonna come. So it's kind of a losing battle. We have to we have to stop focusing on street stuff and go back to social media stuff and try to fight for the minds of people. UM. But again, this was kind of like the opposite of what RAM was trying to

do back in UM. But after this European tour, rob Rundo seems to take statements like this to art he UM with them departing from the heavy street based action emphasis that RAM had in twenty seventeen, opting instead for more of a focus on propaganda and media than they had even before UM. In the next few months, they put more work into their YouTube channel and didn't attend

any street actions. All. This was also, you know, parsonally due to RAM coming under increased scrutinty asen marched on UM with Republica and Frontline you know, putting together the you know, wildly appraised pieces on the group, you know, despite you know, the research themselves being based on it. UH and Northern California anti racist action and Jacanaan's work. Um so yeah whatever, um, let's see. So October members get arrested. So um then eight eight initially got arrested.

Of four, it's going to get four is gonna get let off later um so. But after in the wake of these arrests, they started selling free the four stickers. After only four people are arrested. Um and then the next after the next week for for more people got arrested. So then the website was completely it was completely shut down because they know what to run it because it's like it was just those guys like like running the website and like mannually putting packages in the mail. Um.

After so they got completely shut down. UM so good yeah, thanks thanks comrade FBI for doing that six days too late, um, which which leads us back to June of of of twenty nine with the Rundo's charges being dropped and him getting out of jail, and almost immediately the ram gap account went active again with with posts such as never take a plea deal, always fight for the truth, and they can lock us up, they can lie about us, but they can't stop an idea whose time has come.

So that's good that he got to post on GAB again. I'm sure he really was missing out, um uh run on gab. Rundo also claimed that the FBI seized all of like the sold Ram merchandise that they weren't able to ship out. So maybe that's true, and the FBI just has RAM stuff in a warehouse somewhere, which I

think is kind of funny. Um. But to Roy's money, Rundo teamed up with a different fire Right clothing company to sell Ram shirts and merch before eventually trying to start his own clothing company again because he seems really set on this idea of you know, trying to sell these clothes and uh and products. Speaking of products, do you know where you can buy not not see merchandise, Robert, Oh,

very nice, Garrison. I mean you might be able to buy Nazi merchandise from our ads because Black Rifle coffee has been in them a couple of times. But as a general rule, and we're the only podcast that can promise that, as a general rule, none of our sponsors your nazis. Here's the ads. Hi, We're back talking about Rob Rundo and him trying to flee to other countries again again again he loves fleeing to other countries. He has he has whole YouTube videos on that are just

autorials for how to flee to other countries. Is great? That that is. I mean, you know, do what you know, right, like, do do what you love and the money will come. I watched so many hours of his YouTube channel and it wasn't good. But man, if I ever, if I ever need to flee to Ukraine, I know how now it's I've been given the tools and the information that I can successfully flee flee to Ukraine. That the thing is, Robert, you have to Yeah, you have to fly out of

South America. That's the problem because if you try, if you try to fly out of Mexico, because like I'm assuming my travel flight is going to be blocked from the States. Yeah, no, yeah, I mean really, like what I'm guessing you want to do is you want across the border on foot into Mexico because they never check your passport. You want to have a bunch of cash and pasos on you. You want to travel through Mexico

on foot or in vehicles. And then you want across the border from Mexico into Guatemala or wherever on foot, and then fly out from somewhere in central America. It's not Mexico. Yeah. The thing, the thing that got Rundo in trouble said he kept trying to fly out from Mexico itself. And the problem is when the planes were flying, they crossed over Florida, which is technically American airspace. So

that flagged Rundo because he can't cross American airspace. So what you what you guys need to do is go way south and then fly and and then fly to like central Europe. Don't go to London. You have to fly, you have to. You have kind of kind of stay in the middle, and this way you'll be able to fly to Ukraine, uh, Serbia, wherever. Um. But you have you have to get very south, as south as south as south as you can walk. Essentially. Um, it's really

the only way to get to to get there. Um. Anyway back to the podcast, I guess, um for the rest of after Rundo got out of prison, or I guess technically jail not prison. Um. Uh he tried to fly under the radar, um, so uh, yeah he was. He was kind of laying it low for most of after you got out of jail. Um. So before I get to I like to go into a little bit about Rundo's backstory. Um Robert Paul Rundo born April of nineteen Uh. Um, he he was, he was, he was

born in Queens, New York. Um. His his first real political belief as a kid was just a dislike of cops. Um and and old boy hate police and law enforcement. Um because he can. He's he's one of those Nazis that sees the police as like an obstacle to begin to being able to hurt and kill leftists and non white people. Um. And he you know, he sees them as a force that just oppresses the right and protects the elite and protects the princess, princess princess them, princess

prince since princess. Um. So he he sees polices like, you know, just someone protecting rich people in Jewish people. Um. So you know, like some some something he'll talk about or something you know we'll see in videos is like him doing like a C. A B graffiti and stuff. So like like a few days ago I saw like um andy No posting about a C. A B graffiti was like in the Semitic stuff He's like, oh, look at the anti Semitic leftists and like, no, that's Nazi graffiti.

Because notes are also also hate cops. Just because you hate the cops doesn't mean you are all so good. Yeah um O. J. Simpson not a fan of the cops. Ted Kaczynski not not cops. And then to some degree the Proud Boys now I mean a little bit increasingly not fans of the cops. There there is a split

going on. As we're reading this, it's becoming increasingly clear that Enrique Tario, ahead of the Proud Boys, was arrested today flying into two d c. See what he should have done is he should have gone to South America. He should have then flow and then flowed into the ocean and then taken them both to the coast. Oh yeah,

can home. But like when I was like deep into Proud Blay groups this summer, for like online chats, um, whether police or an alley or obstacle an oppressor of the right was one of the most like debated topics um, but by far the most debated topic on these Proud Boy chats were discoursed aroun Jewish people. Um. Because again, the Proud Boys are just a fashionst group. Um So, yeah, Rundo's initial reason to uh that, he says that got him to start to hit the cops before he was

a Nazi. It's a really interesting story and like very relatable. Um So, Rundo was the young was a was a young teenager in New York. Um out one night putting up some shoe polish graffiti with some friends of his. Not not racist graffiti, just like regular you know, kid graffiti. Um. The uh So, they were like tagging like a bus stop or something, and police pulled up. Um the group

of teens had to all lay down on the sidewalk. Um. An officer went up to Rundo and basically said, hey, kid, just tell us what you all tagged, and we'll just write you a ticket and you can and you can go on home, no big deal. Um So, Rundo told the officer what he did, and then the officer put Rundo in a coup car and Rundo spent six months in juvenal attention because they always by the cops. Yeah. Um so, this interaction understandably got Rundo to just develop

a very strong dislike of police. Um and yeah, this never happened Rundo may not have actually become a Nazi because this, Um, I mean, well, we'll talk later about how how the prison system can turn has a way of turning young kids into Nazis. Um yeah, so real, real stupid, I mean, and like Rundo like looks back at this moment and like like last about it's like, yeah, I was a stupid kid. I believe the cops. Um,

you should never believe the cops. Should mean every now and again, you know, Um yeah, I mean, for example, they're right about coats. They weren't bad at coats they have. They have good built coats. They have good coats okay, you know, and pretty solid assault rifles and good anti aircraft weapons like that. They weren't bad at everything, is what I'm saying. So after after Rundo defending the Nazis, I don't know why I got onto this stray. Are you gonna like wave your mouser on on web on

the WEBCA, this is a pre Nazi gun. But I don't want to get an STG forty four um, which is is a wonderful firearm um and was produced by slave labor, But the money's not going back to CRUP anymore. So it's ethically fine. I think it's actually it's ethnically ambiguous. Ambiguous. There we go, everything's good ambiguity. Um. After Rundo got out of Juvie, he got involved with the original Flashing Crew, which was like a multicultural neighborhood gang and Queens who

got into fights with MS thirteen. Um and who has a nine. When Rundo was about eighteen, MS thirteen shot one of his best friends and then in response, Rundo stabbed a member of MS thirteen that that he ambushed. UM. Runda got charged with gang assault and I was sent to prison and was sent to state prison for like twenty months. UM. It was in this stint in prison

that Rundo became a Nazi. So he he went into prison just you know, he was part of a neighborhood gang in Queens because Smister teen were problems, so he was in like a he was in like an opposting gang. But got sent sent to prison for stabbing m amister teen guy and then went to prison and he came out of prisoner Nazi A post post release, he moved to southern California and again a few years later he

would start d Y Division later renamed ram Um. So yeah, it's like he got out of prison and like twenty ten no in and then in sixteen is when he inventioned, is when he started um D d I Y Division, but he became involved with camera skins and stuff in

between there. Um So yeah, again showing how the prison system kind of has a way of perpetuating these problems and is probably not great and yeah, yeah, I mean and it always has, right like when Adolf Hitler when he tried to overthrow the legally elected government of Germany was was sent to prison for like a year in the prison that was kind of more like a resort where he got to be there with all of his friends and he had his room and board taken care

of and he got to spend the whole year focusing on his ideas. And he wrote mind Camp during his time in prison. That's what it came out of prison is traditionally not necessarily the worst thing in the world for fucking Nazis. Um. We had also talked about ISIS and how it came together in Camp Buca, Iraq with

the US detention facility. Like there's a prison's bad as a rule, you know, every now and then you run into someone who's like, yeah, that person probably needs to be kept away from the rest of the human race, like Paul Manafort. But our prison system tends to do more harm than good, even when people we can all agree are bad get put in it. It's a bad system. Yeah. Anyway. Um back back to more recent times. Um, Like I mentioned, Rundo laid low from moste after his rioting charges were dropped,

but ruled around, he started to get more active. Most of his time this year, Um, he's spent in Eastern Europe, hopping around too different countries. Um he he. He says he's left the US due to quote NonStop harassment from American law enforcement. It's just sound's really funny. Um Uh. Rundo has also just kind of given up on the US. He's like, he's he's he has urged a lot of his fans to try to leave the country and joined the Nationals cause elsewhere. Um. I would quote from a

really good article in The New York Review about about Rundo. Quote. Whereas ram once hosted banners that rallies declaring defend America, Rundo now believes, as he told the podcast interviewer um in a podcast he was on that the country is quote collapsing. He has urged his fellow right wing dissidents to fly uh to fleet the United States and if possible, obtain foreign passports to avoid travel restrictions like the no

fly list. So again, this is part of his videos where he tells people how to you know, avoid no fly lists and how to flee to other countries and stuff of um. Very very fun YouTube channel that really should not exist at all, and he has like you know, naz the imagery and all of his videos. I don't know why YouTube still lets him on. There may because YouTube doesn't have a problem with Nazis. So um. Since this time, Rundos also dropped all pretexts of not really

being a Nazi. He doesn't use like gard whistles anymore. UM, he just do you know, is full is full? It is full? It's full on um in in Europe, He's gotten an eight tattooed on each shoulder, making um, you know in eight eight high Hitler reference UM. On his On his abdomen, he has a dagger embolsoned with the phrase men no freego or I don't care, the motto of the Italian Black Shirts. And on top of it, he has a huge son and red on his right elbow.

So really really really going all out there. Um yeah. Uh. Rundo's first notable public appearance was in February in Budapest, where he was seen and posted a video attending a neo fascist rally commemorate wartime Hungarian volunteers in the Germany's um s S Division. UH. This this appearance not only attract attention from journalists and he fascists, but also federal prosecutors UM, and in March, a motion was filed to

appeal his charges. UM. Just two weeks after his appearance in Budapest at the Nazi rally, he was in Slofa Bulgaria um Sofia Bulgaria for an annual massive neo Nazi march. It's been going on since two US and three, and for the first time they not scalling. The Nazia. Gathering was actually banned by local authorities. Just days after a fashiont a fascist attack in Germany killed a nine people.

Um So, there was this fascist attack in Germany killed nine people, and then uh, Bulgarian authority has kind of tried tried to cancel this neo Nazi uh massive rally. Um, here's a horrible haircut, yeah, Londo yeah yeah, no, yeah, it's not great. Um. I mean i'll talk, I'll bring this up a little bit later. I'll be talking about his personal aesthetic. Um. Yeah. So this s big Nazi rally got canceled, well unquote canceled by the authorities. Um,

but people still showed up. There was a small commemoration to a Nazi collaborating general taking place during the day, and later a nightly uh like a nightly torch burning march was heavily surveilled by local police. Nothing really happened, um. But at the time Rundo had an alibi of sorts. He just started a new propaganda project called Media to Rise Nationalist Entertainment UM. Rundo describes it as a right

wing alternative to something like Vice. UM. Quoting Rundo here quote another way, another way of creating a counterculture to the left is by covering everything from demonstrations, concerts and creating our own entertainment within the nationalist lifestyle way. So he he, he repeatedly says he wants to create a right wing alternative device, which is a funny phrase to say in the first place, considering how prices and starting advice. Yeah, but the founder of ICE found one of the founders

of ICE founded the Proud Boys. Yeah. Not that Vice is a right wing outlet because I wouldn't call that fair, but yeah, very still very funny. Um um yeah so yeah. So far they put out just two actual episodes, averaging

like an eight minutes each. But on his YouTube channel he has like dozens of other vlog style videos giving different tips on how to travel if you're a terrorist, um, propaganda tips, how to particularly your own gang, how to interact with police, how to stay motivated with the Left always winning, which wall as a as a video topic he has is how to stay motivated with the Left always winning? As I find funny because usually I don't

think if the left is always winning? Um really not ever really ever videos with like fighting tips, work over routines, and how to do graffiti and banner drops. Also, he seems very triggered when people tell him that banner drops her silly and graffiti is not good activism. He gets very triggered and makes lots of videos defend the banner drops, which is like whatever, sure, um, but I like. I like how upset he gets when people call his activism stupid um, which is just always fun to watch them

get upset. UM. While while in Europe, Rundo has been traveling around a lot, but he seems to be mainly setting up base in Serbia. UM. Having learned a little from his poor opset in the past or poor online opset in the past. Um. All of these vlog videos has Rundow in front of locations that he thinks looks a bit very cool, which makes them relatively identifiable. UM. The online investigation website spelling Cat has tracked Rundo throw

to all of uh. Rundo was first spotted in Serbia in March in a in a video titled Thoughts and Tea with Robert Rundo. Just nice Jesus sorry, I think it's very funny. Don't fuckers take the beach now? They want to take tea times. They want to take tea time, and this has always been a little fashi. Okay, we we can. We can look at the history of the British Empire and acknowledge that, I mean, fair enough, but I don't like it, Robert, and they're trying to take

your name your your beautiful first name. So many Roberts in in RAM. It shouldn't be renamed the Robert above or whatever. Okay, like you I I saw the point in what you were going there. So this the setting of this t video was quickly tracked to being a cafe in Belgrade, Serbia. In a another video posted in July, Undo was at an event with with with many members of the Serbian nationalist group the Hero Foundation UM. The video also features a free a free RAM banner referencing

the RAM members that are still locked up. Also in July, Rendall could be seen on Serbia on on Serbian TV at a fascist event in which he calls himself like um Roman. But he has like interviewed by an anchor at this like fascist on Serbian live TV. So that's great, it's funny. UM. The next month, Runda posted a whole whole free RAM themed video UM with with video composed of with the footage composed of different fascist groups all

around the world putting up free RAM graffitian banners. UM. Now this video actually has been taken down from YouTube, So great job YouTube for doing literally the bare minimum but still leaving his channel up and all those other videos on how to fly with your terrorist up. But whatever, that's good information. Everybody needs to know how to escape criminal charges against you by fleeing the country. Yeah. Um yeah. The footage from countries, uh all, so there's countries from

make no different fascist groups all around the world. Um. Countries included are Ukraine Shocker, Serbia Shocker, Greece Shocker, Germany Shocker, Poland Shocker, Italy shocker, um, Scotland, Russia, Canada, Canada inside the province of Alberta because of course that's like the one place the Texas of Canada. Yeah yeah, Um, that's where I'm gonna be fleeing is the mountains of Alberta. That's my plan. That's also where one of my favorite musicians,

Core Blund comes from. He's the guy who does that getting down on the Mountain song that we play we go up to go Shoot on the Mountain Gars. Yeah yeah, that's a fun song. Um. And then in the States, we have you know, footage from the states of Indiana, Washington, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Florida, and California. In US in San Diego and Huntington's Beach, so a lot of so get like a lot of a lot of groups putting up free ram stuff for

this like video collaboration. Um. Anyway, in in August, someone um shadow boxing and covered up in a T shirt wrapped like a ninjamask with all of the with all of Roberts Rondo's tattoos can be seen in a Serbian Nationalist rap music video, which is weird sentence but like so like they have footage of Rundo shadow boxing in

a mask. It's like it's like a T shirt, but the T shirt is a Rise Above Movement T shirt because you can see the word above on the side, So like he just used one of his own T shirts he sells as this mask and you can see him like shadow boxing in the background, which is kind of funny, incredibly stealthy. Yeah. Um, so Runda got a little bit upset that Belling cat Keept kept identifying where

he was. Um So with everyone kind of knowing that Belling that that that Rundo is, um is you know, yeah he's tracked and yeah he's constantly being geolocated to Serbia. Um and then uh So, eventually Rundo started out just actually being open about where he was and started like you know, making fun of Belling Cat for being able to like like like referencing Balling Cat for being able to track where he was, but he eventually started being like saying, yeah, I am in Serbia. Um uh yeah.

So in September, in a podcast appearance, he actually said that he had left Serbia. Now, so he's saying, oh, yeah, I was in Serbia. Belling Cat tracked me. They're they're they're stupid. I hate bell and get whatever. But now I have left Serbia. Um. Except in the video he posted on October one, sitting on a lake instead lake got geo located by Belling Cats to lake uh per

Us in Serbia. So's if people who are good at geo locating want to know where you are, and you post any pictures outside in a decent number of different pictures you could post inside, they will find you. I I did this later on, which we'll we'll talk about at the end of the episode. Um, because I know where he is now. Um yeah yeah, So very fun he got after he said he left Serbia, he got tracked to being in Serbia again like the next month.

Um in October twenty. On October, Rundo posted a photo on his Telegram channel of an anti Antifa, anti BLM, anti drug sticker that he had presumably put up on a bus stop. UM. A journalistipe a journal side belling Cat recognized some of the background in the photo. Actually wants to confirm the spot in person the next day, and yeah, it was the same spot in the middle

of downtown Belgrade in Yeah. So with enough online digging, social media uh and on social media stocking, people at Bellingcat were able to learn a bit more about the video production of of Rundo's Media to Rise project and find a few of the locations and other videos. UM. I'll quote from a from a Bellycat article from November. UM. On October, Luke, oh boy, this is a rough last name.

Lu Luca karadzu Zisky. You know, yeah, the footsteps of Robert Evans anyway, Um October this Luca guy Um, a nineteen year old Belgrade videographer, photographer and web designer, posted a public Instagram story UM showing Rabbit Rundo being interviewed by an unknown TV crew. UM. This guy lists w W two are the official short name of Rundo's company.

Was just like a will to rise um. He he posted that as a client on this On his personal website UM and he listed the and he was listed as the creator of a few of these videos that Rundo was posting. UM a quote from this guy he after he got interviewed by Belling Cat via email, UM Rob Rondo reach out to me looking for looking for someone to hire who can do good enough videos and photos. Um. He added that quote. I'm not much into political things. I was just hired by Rundo to record a few

behind the scenes videos. UM. In the background of the Instagram story near the end, the words Smurfa Kappa, uh God, smurfit Kappa whatever can be the key garrison. We don't know how to pronounce something is just to barrel on ahead with confidence and assume that you can retroactively make it right. I've changed the pronunciations of dozens of words for everyone in the world. Now, that's probably true to

some degree. You have to you you just have to be confident and know that you're right, no matter what the truth is. Yeah, it doesn't matter that her name is Ariana Grande. She'll be Arianna Granda Robert exactly. That's why everyone calls Ariana grand now because of confidence. What's what's the what's the fake? Beyonce from the from the

UM Christmas episode. UM. Anyway, this smurfit Kappa UM is a European paper manufacturer whose factory is in um UH Belgrade and so then this was thanks to this about Milly Hat was able to delocate the exact location of the video to a nearby site along the river that

goes through UH, that goes through Belgrad Uh. They visited the site in person, confirming this was not only the indeed the side of the h indeed the side of the video, but the location also had free RAM graffiti beside it and featured RAM social media events we advertised UM. And so, after after repeatedly being shown to be in Serbia, particular particularly Belgrad UM, on November eight, Rundo posted a

video to his telegram. But he opens by saying, so we're here in Belgrade, you know, cleaning up the neighborhood, doing some beautiful artwork for the locals as he surrounded as he's surrounded by fascist graffiti. UM that he does just a tour of the area. So yeah, UM, But Rob Rundo is looking for more than more than an

extended vacation. It's quite likely he's trying to look for legal residency here in Serbia because, per public records, Rundo incorporated in LLC and Serbia back in July with the name will to Rise, the same name as his new athletic fascist clothing company, fucking Christ Gave. Doesn't he know that his hair cut is like not cute and that he should just stop and try to be a Serbia I can give you one of his phone numbers and you can send him a message if you want. Yeah,

we could. We could call him on the show and is not cute and not like I don't want you also are used to the leg day. I've noticed your legs are not your legs. Man. He might leap right through that phone and go after you. Garrison for all the police lines. Uh yeah. So via via via public records, people were able to find two addresses for Rondo in Serbia. Quoting belling Cat again, um um, quoting belling Cat again. But Rundo's incorporation of a company in Serbia may not

simply be for business purposes. In Serbia, a foreigner who incorporates a company can apply for temporary residency for up to a year at a time, and can then renew this residency with a new application every year. In short, this would allow Undo to build a semi permanent legal based in a European country without having to worry about visa free regulations that limit American citizens to spending no more than ninety days UH in Serbia within a half

a year period. So he's basically trying to move to Serbia permanently um and maybe trying to get out of legal prosecution in the States if his chargers get appealed.

This is a little bit unclear because Serbia's extradition policy is like brand new and it's never been used before, so we don't we know the details of his would not advertise his clothing line on our show, We're not, but do you know what we will advertise Sophie Black Rifle Coffee, maybe Black Riple Coffee, and all of the other fine sponsors of the podcast, including accidental and intentional sponsors.

Perhaps we Work. Maybe that was funny. I mean, I enjoy I I'm okay with the wee Work ads because they're trash, but they're also doomed thanks to the virus, So we're just taking some of their last money before they snack, So you work, or you're fucking water infused with fruit that you give people. I don't think they're

providing that anymore. Yeah, probably not. Probably. My My favorite ad was when you talked about Michael Bloomberg on the show and then like immediately after bad played, which was was perfect. We gladly took his money. To be honest, I bought some ship he would have hated with his money. Well, here's here's some more ads, hopefully from Michael Bloomberg. He's running stef he's still running presidential ads. Now, it should

be great. You would anyway, Yeah, what what? What? A thrilling ad from Mr from Mr Bloomberg, airing in January or January or February, dropped a lot more f bombs than I expected. I just enjoyed Garrison like stuttering through saying oh Mike, but like with authority. I mean yeah, I was channeling my Michael Bloomberg and my Joe Biden. Really good. Yeah, they all just got younger, and Garrison

visibly aged by years. That's well, that's probably good. I can hide and alberta easier now if I look less like a twink, it'll be easier to blend in all right, um anyway, anyway, Um, as I mentioned Will to Rise, Rundo's new lifestyle brand of fascism, it's it's just the right brand clothing company all over again, but even more openly fashy. They had the same like ethical supply chain line for this time with this description, um I Will

to Rise. We make all of our We make sure all of our products and designs are created by those who share our values and identities. All products are made in Eastern Europe, so not a single hand touches the production line that is not like my own. In doing this, we keep our people employed and keep all funds within our ranks, something not many other brands can claim. So good, it's like not aesthetically cute and just as like just like the font is like too big for there are

looking at the World to Rise website. Yeah, it's just like not. I would not wear it. My favorite thing about the World to Rise website is that I don't know what problem it has, but it takes like ten seconds to load every time I change. It's very slow. It's not great, it's very slow. It's very it's very very very I'm gonna text you a picture of my last favorite shirt for you to observe. I'll talk about some shirts here. Yeah, I'll talk about some shirts right now.

Um please please Carrison really ugly. Yeah. So on the site they sell, they sell ram shirts. Um, they sell white Rex shirts with a sorry I'm gonna I'm gonna friends them fallon filan flame anyway, the Spanish fashion symbol. Wow, that's a hideous shirt. Yes, it is criminal one, the criminal shirt where the fine criminal shirt? Yeah, that was pretty good. It's just like and like the person who's

modeling it doesn't help. Can I just say? I mean they have very fashy tattoos, they very fashy's hat twos and clearly are wearing the wrong side they have. They have a they have a reject poison embrace struggle shirts, which is like, you know, a straight eded shirt. Um, that's good. Um do you do you have? Do you see their old ideals new style shirt? I'm seeing the Aggressive Clothing Company shirt. I'm also the one. I'm What I'm enjoying is for the thought criminal shirt. The text

below it. We have all committed the crime of having too much to think, so we've been brand thought criminals who made this website skirts a sentence from the thought criminals maybe should have spent some time thinking about how to write a fucking sentence. Yeah, but the website is very poorly coded. It takes it's very slow. Um they what what old ideas news style? You fucking look so

oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, Oh it's great. That's really good. Yeahbert, Robert, Robert people the one I just said, it's pretty fucking Oh yeah, they're like, you know what for this one? The model should have no tattoos. Oh, it's very good. That's so many news style. Is that like a boxer? Yeah, it is a boxer okay, and he's like all Greek and on the on the on the Navy version of the shirt, and you can see Rob Bundo modeling himself with a backwards baseball cap and sunglasses, um with his

son and red tattoo on the side. Yeah, amazing, absolutely all the thought, the thought of the thought criminal shirt is very fun. It's yeah, the guy has very large pecks and it looks very silly. Yeah, he's he's wearing a deliberately too tight shirt of several like really awkward fitting like cargar joggers, and like they have a so they have a bottoms section of the website, which I think is a very funny name to do. Um and they also sell custom Rhodesian shorts. Um. Yeah, I see that.

And the guy, the guy definitely definitely skipped like days. We've talked about the Rhodesians a few times on this show and how it was a white supremacist utopia in Africa that lost a war to continue existing when they accidentally put all of their oil in one place and they got blown up. The Rhodesians military famously wore like very short shorts into combat for a period of time,

and so white nationalists love Rhodesian shorts. The funny thing about the rhodes and shorts is that the Rhodesian military band their soldiers from wearing them because they're very very white legs made it incredibly easy to spot them in

the bush and they kept getting shot to death. You need to check out you need to check out the shorts on the website because they are very short and you can see everyone's very white legs and it's great and that way you can shoot them in the bushmore Eason, I support the shorts, no notes, Yeah, Rhodesian shorts were

a secret comrade. This is such a weird photospoul, the one where you can see that this guy skipped leg to day and also has it not nice bum like it's just like well shaped all and Sophie never butt shames on the pot. I am probe, I am pro but all the way. But this is not for being in for being in a section called called bottoms. The

it's not it's not that it's very flat. And also if you look at the lower left calf, he has a very did son in red tattoo that just looks ugly like it's it's just it's it's half faded, so it looks just really aesthetically unpleasing. In the not great bum photo, I do like that there's like a like he's like gripping his fists. Yes he is, he is. He's he's holding something. He's holding a black thing. I

don't know what it is, maybe a phone. I mean, I was going to be really inappropriate, but maybe I shouldn't. Now I'm eighteen. Now it's fine, that's right. I forgot that you're of legal age. I mean it's just like he's holding like I don't know it's just like his really tiny balls that he clearly has caught. I don't know. There's a lot happening. Okay, that one in a different

direction than I thought. She's like not it. Also the crotch shot shot it's bad like normally, like you know, it's like Mike Penn's getting the COVID vaccine bad in the like ripples. But you can clearly tell not, no, that's not good. Scaped lug day, what day? And this is what happened? Um. So yeah, they sell the rotation shorts, um,

a myriad of fascist stickers, lots of fascist nography. In fact, if you look at the sticker resection of the website, they've actually blowed out a lot of symbols on the website itself because they like, I guess we'll get in trouble they display them. I don't know. Um, well, I think that's fun. Um. But they also sell shirts from Pride from from Pride France, another uh Nazi m M

A brand with a with a with us. The shirt has a son and rad and a raccoon that says respect nature, which again ties into Julius Sabola and eco fascism, which I'll talk about later towards the end. Um. Try, I'm not not not thrilled about um, but yeah, they sell stuff from a whole bunch of other fascist companies as well on their on their own website. Um yeah like um, but all right, let's let's do let's do it. We're near into the end here, so let's do a

retrospective on Rondo. So looking looking at Rundow now, is he's very different than the Rundo circuity seventeen. He's he's no longer clamoring to get into fist pights with fist pips, with teenagers in black block. He's carefully trying to craft an aesthetic of fascism that hasn't quite gained popularity in

the States yet, but I think one that very well could. Um, if you look at his more recent videos compared to his past videos, he's still trying to He's still trying to offer he's still trying to offer an alternative to the nerdy meme based right and the Larpie tactical militia right.

But instead of just focusing on physically confronting your ideological enemies, as Ram used to say, Um, there's more of a focus on encouraging classic real world propaganda techniques like street graffiti, banner drops, and advising younger guys to get off the internet more um and to create smaller crews of like minded Nazis in real life to accomplish various direct actions UM,

you know, beyond just fighting Antifa. UM. Quoting from a really good article in the new in the new Ark Review by a great journalist named Ali Winston, uh quote.

It remains to be seen what Rundo does with all of this Eastern European education on how to be structured, said a long time investigative, said a long time investigator of white power groups who who was not authorized to speak on the record, but in recent In recent interviews, the investigator noted that Pierce Undo's approach to organizing has grown more sophisticated. He's quote maturing, the investigator said, comparing Rundo now to Thomas Metzer, the former klansman and founder

of the group White Arean Resistance. Who's who's an ideologue revered by the Hammerskins and other skinhead groups. So we we and I think that's accurate. We have really seen a maturing of Rundo. UM in the past few years. If you look at the stuff he puts out now compart the stuff he puts out in seen, um, he is much more polished. He's much more kind of put together and trying to be more of like a mentor figure um to you know, younger guys as opposed to

like this like street brawler um. And even now I can see Ram's influence spreading in the in in in the young new right in the States. When Rounde got out of jail, he connected and seemingly mentored a fascist

youth organization called Revolt through Tradition UM. From what I can tell, Revolt which if you if you're familiar with Uprising a guide from Portland's UM, Revolt through Tradition, it's essentially the fascist Why I left from what I can kind of gather here, Yeah, yeah, because like they have a lot of the same aesthetics. They're kind of you know,

anti modernism, anti tech. I I don't want to say anti sieve because they're anti civilization, but they're but they're they're anti modern society in the same way you know, a fascist is in terms of like a fascist like a Julius Savola fascist, which I might very well write a bachar Baschard's episode on Later because I I think, you know, his influence on RAM and stuff like Revolt through Tradition is uh is going to be more concerning when I see like intersection with eco fascism and this

kind of you know, very direct action based kind of fashionst a Vola a little bit on our Savitri dev episodes. And he's someone who worries me a lot bigause I mean,

for one thing, he's Steve Bannon's favorite philosopher. Like he's actually extremely influential um but not in a way like he like the vast majority of people, even people who consider themselves knowledgeable about fascism have never heard his name because he's he's not like a very showy influencer, but he influences people that you do know, and he's yeah, he's he's a very serious person to be concerned about.

I mean, he's been dead for years, but his ideas, his writing, Yeah, I mean Amazon sells tons of Evola books, which is very bad. It's great they they what they like. They feature his book a handbook for right wing youth, which they should not be selling. It's a very dangerous text that should not be sold on Amazon. Like that shouldn't be happening. That's very bad. Um. Yeah, shocker, he's

he's a big supporter of revolting through Tradition. Yeah. So Revolt has released a few videos very you know, reminiscent of rams early stuff, while also drawing a little bit from Adam offin style videos. Um. But you know they practice physical training. Um, except they've learned from Ram's mistakes and in all the videos they're wearing as sensibly black block um. From their website, uh quote, Revolt for Tradition is a meta political organization and a movement, not a club.

We seek to we seek others to build a community through education, culture, activism, and health and healthy lifestyle. We seek those who are willing to stand up for something. Um. They they have they have topics. They've articles of topics from like European martial arts to the war the warrior mentality. Here's that again, um, and standing against standing against degeneracy and modernism and you know, very much like anti anti modern society, anti tech people need to go into the woods,

you know, reminiscent of you know, Ted Kaczynski stuff. And you know, Julie Savola was saying the same things back in his day. Um. Yeah, So a lot of this kind of stuff I'm seeing popping up more. And when this intersect with the eco fascism, I think we're gonna have a real problem. Um um yeah. The we we're seeing, we're seeing a lot of in um and like Revolt is actively growing like there, their telegram is very active.

They're posting more videos on YouTube. Um. I'm seeing like their membership grow from from you know, watching what kind of videos they put out, you know, a year ago compared to now. They have different you know, people in different cities popping up now, different kind of chapters. So like it is, it is very it's it's it's an active.

It's an active problem because they're actively recruiting like youth and you know, like um, like you know, teens and people in their young twenties, UM to try to you know, get into this very you know, like meta politics kind of thing because like their goals to get people out of electoralism and go on like social media and everything, social media, Facebook, Twitter, Parlor. They don't have a pod,

but I'll talk talk talk. I'll talk about pod podcasting soon because Rundo is trying to start one good oh, I'm sure you should let me know if you need

some advice to drink four o nine. But yeah, like they're basically the goal, Rundo and you know, Revolt Revolt through Traditions goal is to you know, take disenfranchised youth who are you know, on the right and trying to get them to go beyond like electoralism, you know, try try to break them out of the electoral cycle, you know, walk away from the Republican Republican Party and start doing

like actual direct actions. This is called like meta politics, trying to combine political activism but not in the framework of electoralism, trying to bring it into like, you know, just the mainstream culture and how you live your everyday life. Um yeah, the uh so, with with the right getting more and more disenfranchised and disaffected with Trump's loss, I can see groups like this growing substantially than the next four years, the same way anti fascists grew under you know,

the previous four years. Um yeah, um. Rundo actually also sells Revolt through Tradition stickers on his website. Yeah, which I've seen, I've seen. I've seen stickers get being posted in Seattle, all across the south all across the east coast, west coast. I'm seeing robots of tradition STIUL pop up in a lot of spots. Um. Yeah, I'm particularly kind of watching this group right now. Um. I'm gonna quote the New York The New York Review article again for

more on this topic. Quote. Rundo also drew on the writings of fascist philosopher Julius Sevola to conceive of the Rise Above movement as a meta political organization that would foster its own culture, making it independent of Western commercial culture, which Undo believes is sapping the vitality of white Americans with mainstream TV subs, substance adiction, young food, and multicultural values.

Following a Vola's teaching, he believed the right can provide wayward white youth with the direction and purpose in life through political and physical education. This would equip young cadreds to quote revolt against the modern world in the words of a Vola. Um and that Ram ram made that basically it's credo to prepare them to confront ideological imponents. Quote. They did nothing with electoral politics, but they did everything

with street politics and building a countercall culture. Ram Uh, founder of Rundo said of casta proud and Italian fashion organization. So again, focus on moving away from electoral electoralism and doing you know, building a culture within the youth to kind of get more national's ideas into the mainstream. That is achievable not through electoral politics, but through direct action.

Um so yeah. What what Rundo himself brought to this project, um was a degree of charisma that made him able to recruit others quoting him again, everything we can do that's outside the mainstream, outside of their poison, outside of their poison, we need to do so again, trying to get out of the mainstream and getting out of electoralism.

Um so yeah. I mean Rundo does have a weird kind of charisma, like he's not he's not, I don't know, Like I watched so many Rundo videos in the past month or so, um, and he he definitely has something that he is getting much better at engaging with audiences over over video and over audio. He's he's definitely learning

how to do that. Um uh. And I so earlier, um like last month, I GA located a new Robert Rundo video back to Serbia because actually he Rundo was in the States in November, UM, and then we kind of didn't know where he was. He posted a new video in December and he was back in Serbia, back in Belgrade. I posted I found the exact location of

the video. UM, and I posted on Twitter about and I had like people in my comments saying that, like, I shouldn't be talking about Rundo because he's too attractive and charismatic quote unquote, which I will push back on, like have they seen his haircut? Like if you're problem

with to look at Hitler? Okay, that was That was okay, But like my point is, like, if you're saying I shouldn't, like people shouldn't talk about these guys because they're too charismatic and attractive, maybe you should do some inner thinking because I think there's a way to talk about these guys and the fact that you're calling it attractive, um, instead of focusing on all the bad things, I think maybe you should do some reflection. Um. I don't know,

it's just a weird, weird, weird, weird thing. UM, because there needs to be a way to talk about and worrying about what these guys are trying to do and what they're gonna and how they're going to try to recruit youth in the next four years because they are going to they're gonna try to recruit a lot of

disaffected teams and disappected people in their twenties. Um so. Uh. The federal appeal on Onondow's charges is still being granted and um and if he has to face another trial, um, which is still a big if, um, because we don't know that. It depends on if it it depends if the appeal gets granted. Um so. But but even if he does have to face trial, his mark has been left. And at this point, it's just kind of reducing how much, um, how much that how much the market's left can spread? Right?

Will we have to deal with only a few branch off organizations or many many more? Right? Are we have to mainly focus them like revolt through tradition and the remnants of ram or is this going to spread you know wildly and you know, you know, impact the stuff the same way like the Proud Boys? Will I I don't know yet. Um. Would his conviction for you know what, his conviction on his violence set a precedent for a fashion street violence for federal charges or when he becomes

a murder I don't know. I I don't I don't really know what that's gonna do, because I mean, Ben Dailey is already arrested and in federal prison, so I don't know how much. I mean, Rundo was more you know, visible, But I don't know if his conviction would really be meaningful in any way or if he'll just turn him

into more of a marder. I'm not sure about that either. Um, and all that depends if he tries to flee and if if which would be very funny, if he tries to flee again, or if he tries tries to still still still hiding in in Serbia because Serbia does have a brand new extradition treaty, but no one's been no one's ever been extraded through through the treaty before. Um it just started in so we don't know if that

will actually hold. Um. Yeah, So I mean and if and if he does, all that means is that all have more fun and more glocation nerds will have more fun trying to find him. Um. In the meantime, he has like three YouTube channels, so we can try to I don't know. They probably shouldn't exist. Um he has. Uh yeah, they're called like media to rise in different variations that thereof He shouldn't have YouTube channels, Uh he does not the stuff and all of them. This this

should not be happening. And uh, just a few days ago as of this recording, he announced he's starting a podcast. Oh good, yeah, away from our platform. So his podcast, he says, it's gonna be about nationalist lifestyle activism like demos, demonstrations, brawls, competitions, um, and how to deal with law enforcement. He said, it's it's it's he said, it's not about theory, it's not

about political commentary. It's about actual you know, meta politics, Like it's actually like about getting your politics to be part of just your everyday culture and everyday life. Um. So Robert, for you guys, you know you, you guys have will have a new podcasting rival and some some something. So something for me that's gonna be interesting is He also announced he's making a short film, So I have a new rifle in the short film Seed and he

said it's a short film with costumes. He was very happy, He's very happy that they had costumes. I bet those costumes are very exciting, so we have that to look forward to. Um, he's he's still he's, he's he's he's still in Serbia. He's still in Belgrade or Belgrade. Um. He posted a video like a two days ago of him at his factory in Belgrade, so he's still there. Um and I re located him there back in December, so he's absolutely still in in in in Serbia. Yeah. Um,

YouTube channels, podcast, short film. He shouldn't have YouTube channel. So if we can get those down, I don't know if if if we can bully YouTube enough to take those down, that would be good. Um, because they really shouldn't. They really shouldn't have that YouTube. Yeah, do better. Also, good luck with your podcast, I don't know. Yeah, well, I mean, obviously good luck with your podcast. Podcasting solidarity

of course. Yeah, that's the most important thing. That's basically all I have on a Roberundo and movement, and they're fashion lifestyle brand that they're trying to develop and sell very bad T shirts for and Rhodesian shorts. Yeah, I mean critical support to Rhodesian shorts. Um, real alright, everybody, real,

helpers it because this has been behind the bastards. We'll be back next week with more terrible people and at some point in the future to talk about Julius A. Vola or maybe to talk about I t S which is you're all going to really enjoy learning about when when that becomes appropriate? Yeah, really really not thrilled about. Yeah, I mean I Vola stuff for multi tradition stuff. Um, when we get more people, Yeah, it's eco fascism. It's gonna be it's gonna be a real issue. It's gonna

kill somebody someone listening to this podcast knows. And don't forget to follow Garrison on Twitter at hung Hungry bow Tie. And if you want to buy better fitting T shirts, you have a T public store, so I have, yeah, and of our profits go to NAA funding my gym membership. All right, that's hi, Garrison Davis here with a little a little hot steamy Robert Rundo updates. Sorry, I I don't know why I phrased it like that, but we

do have an update on um our not friend Robert Rundo. Um. Since I recorded the first few episodes of this back in January. Of course that that was before the siege at the Capitol and a whole bunch of stuff that's kind of happened since then, um starting with starting with Rundo himself. It was reported in February that here I will just read a headline from Global Voices. It's also reported by various other news outlet's. This is this is legit.

Here's the headline quote. Serbia expels us neo Nazi after investigative website belling Cat outed his location. So Robert Rundo has actually been kicked out of Serbia during February, which is really interesting. So he is not going to be allowed to stay in Serbia anymore. He is not he's and he's he's presumably not there at the moment. We'll still need to figure out where he is in the future, but he will probably not be in Serbia because you're

not not not allowed to be there anymore. Now, there's a various other places around the globe that he could be trying to stay in the Ukraine nearby and Russia. So so that that that is that is very interesting that he's no longer in Serbia after months and months of reporting from belling Cat showing that he is still there. And then I still confirmed in December that he was still there, So that is that is Uh, that's really interesting. Of course, it's it's always good to know where guys

like this are. UM. But you know this, this is good for the people in Serbia, uh, and the people in the city he was in that he's not going to be there anymore. That is that is that is good. The other interesting piece of Rundo information and updated intail that we have is that then in March, so the following month, the appeal to reinstate his rioting charges was granted, So the federal charges he has against him are now

able to be prosecuted against UM. Once again, the the the ninth ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the Federal Rioting Act does not violate free speech and the charges that he was the charges charges he was charged with do not do not actually violate free free speech laws. So they UM went back on the twenty nineteen ruling that a federal judge made because very UM, you know, appeals on the federal level are not very

common for them to be granted. So this is this is really interesting that he's gonna that he is he poss sibly might go to trial of now on these rioting charges. Let's see. And so these rioting I know back in there was it was like six hundred days from the time that he did those violent assaults and then got arrested charged for it. So now it being like one, I don't know how many that's so so

many more days. It's more than twelve, more than one thing more than like, it's probably more than one thousand, three hundred or one thousand four hundred days since he did these violent assaults. And it's actually gonna go to if he's gonna go to trial for them, it'll be you know, upcoming here. So that's that. That's that's been.

It's been a long time, but it it is uh, it is nice to see that he will be facing some consequences for him, you know, randomly attacking people in black hoodies um and beating children up on the ground. So those charges are reinstated. So those those the two main Rendow updates. Now again we don't know where he's at the moment um he could you know, best guesses are Ukraine or Russia. They have different extradition rules, but we're not sure if Ukraine and Russia is gonna let

him stay there. And we we we know, we know he has friends there, but I'm not sure what the government is gonna do when they if they find out that he's you know, trying trying to live there. So that's everything on the rundow side of On the other on the other side of things, remember are also not friends at Revolt through Tradition, the kind of fashy traditionalist youth group inspired by Julie Sevola. They have now been UM pretty effectively d platformed after the January six riots

at the Capitol. And I mean more than riots. They were trying to, you know, do a fascist coup. So all of Revolt through Traditions, websites, UM, YouTube channels, social media accounts, all of them have been joined. They're all they are all gone. The they really the only really, the only thing they have left is their telegram channel UM,

which makes recruiting much more difficult. So it is fantastic to have them not be given you know, their Twitter, Facebook, UM and YouTube platforms, as well as their website, which was honestly a well designed website, so that it is very good to see that happen. UM. This is you know, this is a great example of an effective use of d platforming. No one really is making a big deal out of it, no one, you know, it's not it's

not like the big show. It's just, yeah, quietly, these things are getting taken down, and that makes that makes the uh, that makes the recruiting possibilities much more much more difficult. Uh. Speaking of YouTube channels, let's check Rundo's. So, Rundo's still does have some of his YouTube channels up um. I know he had a lot, but it looks like some of his previous ones have been deleted. Um. But that's not you know, that's so that's that is good.

That is good that he has less channel s now he has less videos, but still he still does have at least at least two channels up um right now on on YouTube. I think all yeah media to rise and documentary series media to rise. So his his main channel was taken down, that's great, but we still have these other channels that he's trying to, you know, um, recruit off of. So that that is the status of

Rundo and tradition at the moment um. Remote tradition is kind of in shambles because they don't know what to do now that they basically have no Internet presence that norms can see. And Rundo's looking for a new hoe because he's been kicked out of Serbia. So that's that's that, that's what's happened since then, you know, not enough information to warrant a hole another episode. I just thought I would tack this on to the end, So have have a wonderful day, Um, the rest of you beautiful humans.

Don't don't don't try to do a fascist too and then have your Twitter accounts and YouTube's deleted, and don't start a fascist clothing company. Doesn't doesn't seem to work out well. This is This is Garrison Davis signing off. M M M m m