Part One: We Watch More of Jordan Peterson's New Show

say in actually arresting that disaster. And the elites that have have brought us here have entrenched their power so deeply that people can't even conceive of a world without a boot on their neck, and so we all just kind of grasp for the artifacts of our childhood for those last moments before we realized how deep the problems were, and that's got us all stuck in this kind of endless cycle of worshiping the dead remnants of our of our youth. Anyway, how are you doing today? Oh? Asorry

from that all that stuff? They couldn't be well, I could be better, but you know I'm doing all right. Have you enjoyed and or I've enjoyed the few that I've been able to sit down and watch. It's good. It's good, Um, I A plus well, so far A A so far A plus. I I think I've watched through all of it and it's quite good. Um. Everything about it is correct in terms of what should be

done with. Yes, France it's this. It's this thing I've been saying, where like the reason the first Star Wars movies were great is that George Lucas everyone around him, including his his ex wife who was the editor on those three movies and one of Oscars and stuff great film editor were like, George has consistently of a great idea and if you can cut the other eight percent out of it and replace it with like something vaguely reasonable, uh and not not unhinged, then you get pretty darn

good movies. And then for the prequels, he just got let off the leash and there was a lot of nonsense, and and Or seems to have taken that like core of stuff that was cool about the prequels and anyway, this is behind the ball streets. Also just like uh, cohesive UM vision yeah, which I think obviously the sequels didn't have one. Not good in my opinion. Yeah. No. One of the only um I think positives of the prequels is that at least the vision was cohesive, like

they all like look the same, they're trying to like, yeah, exactly. Um. So that's I think a positive for and Or. But also just like it's um, it's just written well, it's written extremely writers are doing a good job writing like scenes and lines and their scenes in it, at least in the first few that I've watched or have been, Like that didn't have to be in the Star Wars universe, Like that was just a scene. That was a good scene between two people who happened to like have like,

you know, laser guns on their hips. You know they've done. Really appreciate good job of Like, there's a lot of evil in the show, but a majority of the actors are self interested but not actively malicious, even when they're contributing to terribly malicious systems, which is a shows a nuanced under standing of how evil actually occurs most often in the real world that I appreciate. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of just consideration and thought that seems to

have gotten to it. Yeah, not not a whole lot of the Boba Fetts of the world. I think I have Boba's feet. Yeah, the Bubba the Bubba Feats didn't quite nail it well. I haven't seen a second of that show. I actually think they're all They're all perfectly fun. Um, as long as it's got fucking Pedro Pascal and I'll keep watching. Oh yeah for sure. By the way, Pedro,

this is behind the Bastards about bad people. We are taking another easy week by going through episode two, season one Dragons, Monsters, and Men, the Jordan's Peterson series, in which he sits in a comfortable chair and just kind of talks um like, I don't look when people say he seems like he's off his meds. That that often can be an offensive statement, but he does seem like he's off his meds or like on the wrong meds, or on the wrong meds, or or hasn't been medicated

for the right thing. Um. Either way, whatever is going on with Jordan Peterson's drug use, it's not right, Yeah, fix your drug use. Jordan's so episode two after our Game of Thrones esque opening for oh yeah no, So if he want, don't you play us a clipping as bad boy, let's go. Let's let's just remind everybody, Oh my god, like I blocked this outs. This is what they spent almost as much money on as fucking Jordan Peterson himself urn us out. It's like a fucking video

game loading and it's so good. A after this, I should be clicking continue and then like hitting a windigo with an axe. But yeah. Episode two opens with the title card arm Yourself on a red background, and then we're back to Jordan's with his like hands together looking at his fingers just kind of like awkwardly. And it's such a funny transition, like just sudden. It's like I can't even say they didn't do it on purpose, know

how funny it was. But also they didn't because there have to be a few people at the Daily Wire who like, know it's bullshit and know how stupid and silly all this is, but are just like I gotta get you know, paycheck, and I just I don't care, but maybe tweaking a little make it funny. This is a furniture behind him. There is a chair behind him. Again this I would love to have a library. I think that it's very nice looking. There's more chairs back here.

I think I count one to three or five, six seven. It looks like an ideal salon, like intellectual workplace where it's like kind of there's a little bit almost of like an industrial vibe. You can see like bricks in the background, like maybe it was like a storage or like a hanger or a big garage, but they've they put in a bunch of nice bookshelves and nice furnitures and wood paneling. There's like maybe a little bar table in the back left corner where Jordan Peterson can have

a single sip of cider and then sleep. Yeah, but

there's legitimately like at least ten shares visible in this. Yeah, Jordan Peterson has a lot of people over to discuss his ideas, like that your evil uncle is never to be argued with, even when he's the Catholic church and molesting children anyway, whatever it's like in honor of like you know, the fallen philosophers of And then the chair behind him, Emmanuel Kant over there in the corner with that like one wiry, uncomfortable looking one fucking yeah, empty

chairs at empty tables. Heidigger probably in that like back corner next to all the cleaning bottles, it looks like anyway. So once the episode opens, Peterson immediately starts talking about how men are becoming was is men becoming more passive? Yes, it appears that in some sense they are. They're becoming more passive in that they're bailing out of society. They boys don't as well in school pretty much from day one, they're less likely doing role. In university, they're more likely

to draw out, they're less likely to graduate. Um, they're withdrawing. And there is evidence that I think is quite compelling. Perhaps this is most advanced in Japan and South Korea, which are very low birth rates, that men, young men are even bailing out of the sexual game, even even if it's solitary. There's there's some indication that young men aren't even masturbating as much as they used to. Uh,

wait a second, Wait a second. I thought that it was like in this crowd, it was good to not masturbate. I thought, like, yeah, it's he's inconsistent about that. Um, I think he's he's he'll bring Yeah, I don't actually know if, because Jordan Peterson, I don't think, is like hard into the no FAP stuff, but he's also pretty hard into the in cell stuff, which is related to no FAP and like, you know, anti Like I mean, he's you don't have to look at pornography to masturbate,

but I know he's very anti pornography. So like he's like men need, men need to jerk at more, Like what's going on here? I have to point out, so that he brings up a bunch of claims here, um, like that men are are going graduating high school and college less right. Um. Now, as this isn't he is less wrong than he normally is in this statement, but also, as with everything he says, he's still wrong. There's an

Atlantic article that I found in literally like six seconds. Um. It notes quote, UM, education experts and historians aren't remotely surprised. Women in the United States have earned more bachelor's degrees than men every year since the mid nineteen eighties, every year. In other words, that I've been alive, and that both

of us have been alive. This particular gender gap hasn't been breaking news for about forty years, but the imbalance reveals a genuine shift in how men participate in education, the economy, and society. So number one, this has been going on for decades. Um. This is not a recent thing. This is about half a century. But also currently right now, men are going, enrolling in college, and finishing college more

than they were a decade ago. Um. Yeah, in nineteen seventy, minut accounted for fifty seven percent of college and college and university student UM. So it's like you know, it's it's complicated. Yeah, people there there's like a number of theories as to why. But this has been going on for a long time. A lot of it has to do with the fact that many of the jobs that men seek don't require a college degree, like trade jobs.

Another has to do with the fact that women are increasingly seeking education because like it's gotten a lot easier for them to do so in the last half a century. Um. Some of it has to do with the fact that men are much more likely to be incarcerated than women. Um. Like it's uh, there's a bunch of theoretical reasons for it, um, But it's also not an entirely like linear process, Like, it's not just that men have been dipping, and in fact, over the last decade there's been some rises in men

at least attending college. So again, Jordan Peterson takes like his take is taking like what is an actual half century long tradition, boiling out all of the actual facts around it and claiming it's something that's very recently happening, um, when it that's not actually the way things are going Also um. Peterson specifically has a whole lot of problems with just like academia and universities in general, and most people at the Daily Wire, like most prominent figures at

the Daily Wire, Uh, tell you to not go to college? Yes, Um, like that is a big movement in that entire crowd. Now, it's like, don't go to college and if you do, pretend like you're learning something and lies you get the degree. But like they support not going So what's going on there? Yeah, um, yeah, it's and it's like, I'm not ever going to tell people to go to college because I also think it's

a gigantic grift. It's just anyway. But Jordan is let's say, let's say he is partially right in that there is a long term trend of men declining in higher education, um, but also largely wrong because he ignores all of the different reasons and and the length of time at which that's been occurring, right, Um, to make it look like it's it's the cast it's being caused supposed to. Well. Number one, men have a lot of jobs that don't require college degrees. Men are imprisoned at a lot higher rate.

Women have suddenly gotten a lot more freedom and have been going to college in an attempt to like shore up and get equal weight, or to get anything that even approaches an equal wage, they have to get more of an education than men do. Like there's a whole bunch of reasons for it. Um and also the fact, and I feel like this is left out of that Atlantic article that increasingly people are realizing that a lot

of higher education is a gigantic con um anyway. Uh, Which, so like, let's move on from the college stuff, because we can also talk about masturbation. So, unlike birthrates, masturbation like knowing how often people masturbate is dependent upon self reporting. Right, birthrates are objective. You can know are the amount of babies you know, are that people are having is raising

or lowering? Right, That's something that it's very easy to get data on because as a general rule, the government is informed when a baby's Yeah, he's definitely easier to determine than when people are a solo activity in the privacy.

In order to know the rate at which people are masturbating, you would have to build like a perfect digital panopticon to keep track of everyone's come a panopt come if you will, which I do support creating, but that's a separate episode that you and I will do that in the future. Um so yeah. I found one survey of one thousand and forty Americans on masturbation habits, published by

Dr Evan Goldstein of Bespoke Surgical. The language he uses certainly doesn't make it seem as if his evidence suggests that masturbation is less common today. Here's how his little article opens. According to Thomas Lacker's two thousand three books Solitary Sex, A Cultural History of master Avation, masturbation as we know it was invented in seventeen thirteen. By that, he meant that while masturbation was may have always existed,

may probably doesn't work. It was only in the early eighteenth century that the phenomenon was named a new disease, creating a quote nearly universal engine for generating guilt, shame, and anxiety. And I do think that is a worthwhile point that like, people have always masturbated, but then the modern concept of masturbation was developed as a clinical term

to shame people from mansturbating. Right now, Bespoke Surgical is some sort of like medical clinic run for profit, and I questioned their data, as I always do when a for profit clinic releases a survey um that said what they're claiming their survey shows doesn't seem particularly weird. Quote, we wanted to know how often Americans masturbate. Overall, the

answers about twelve times a month on average. This number is consistent when considering just heterosexual people, but was slightly higher for homosexual respondents, who reported masturbating fourteen point two times per month. And I might suggest that, like, rather than they're actually being a gap between straight people and

queer people in masturbation. Queer people are just like more honest about the Yeah, I also suspect everybody might be underestimating the amount of Although that's like fourteen times, isn't like weird. That's that's a that's a reasonable I would say that seems like a pretty reasonable average. Um. Obviously people are gonna have more, people are gonna have less. But yeah, that's that's that's that doesn't that that data does not like set off alarm bells in my head.

I'm not shocked whether like whether that number is too high or too low. So that obviously does not give us any longitudinal data, Like it doesn't like Peterson is saying that men are masturbating less right as sort of evidence that like, men are in decline. Um, and obviously that data does not show whether or not that's happening at all. I did find a study by Tanga Company, which is a sexual health and wellness business that makes

sex toys. Uh so again, not again, You're never going to find a good study on this that's like done by a perfect yeah scientific until are startup gets off the ground, until until the panopticum is created. Yes, uh, they did what their press release calls the quote world's largest masturbation study involving participants. It did not actually say anything at all interesting about masturbation, but it did note this.

The survey, which asked Americans to evaluate which characteristics they believe men in their country value, found approximately ninety percent of Americans think men value traditionally manly traits like physical strength,

aggression and assertiveness, and being the main breadwinner. However, when asking men what they actually value, the results found that men are more comfortable talking about their feelings and connecting with others, and less comfortable being aggressive than Americans realize. Eight percent of men claim to be in touch with their emotions, but only fifty four percent of Americans think

this is important to men in their country. Seventies seven percent are comfortable talking about their feelings are personal allunges with others, but only of Americans surveyed think this is true of American men. I find that really interesting actually understanding Yeah that, Like when people are asked, hey, how do men feel about talking about their feelings, they're like, they hate it. And when you ask men, they're like, actually, that's very important to me, and I do it all

the time. Yeah. I mean that's like, you know what, not exactly that framing, but like what people say quite often is how important it is for me to be able to do that and not feel like the other those respondents we're like, oh, yeah, they don't like that, and like yeah, which feeds into the idea that they

shouldn't like that, right, um yeah. And I in general I found this survey interesting, not so much about masturbation, although there's one really interesting part, which is that it found that Americans underestimate how often people masturbate consistently by nine percent um which underestimate. Yeah, underestimate people. People estimate that groups like that that their peers masturbate about nine percent less than those that group self reports master of interest, right,

which I might account for Dr Peterson's belief in this area. UM, so let's listen on. Next, he goes into a rant about how evil progressives are trying to make boys believe they're bad people for being masculine, the purest manifestation of the destructive human force that's demolishing our beloved earth. You know, if you tell that from the time they're young, especially if they're actually ethical people, then well, why wouldn't they

be demoralized? Obviously the right response to that, if it's true, is to be demoralized. But it's a pack of lies right from the bottom up to the highest levels of abstraction. Talk to a man named Miriam and again number one. This is just like a very basic misstating of what

people who talk about the patriarchy are claiming. When people say, like the patriarchy is destroying the world, what they're saying is that this like deeply hierarchical system that praises the accumulation of wealth and power largely by men in a male dominated society, UH is killing the world. Is leading to like unhinged resource extraction, um, and like the thoughtless

exploitation of an environment that cannot handle endless growth. Um. And that both kind of the excesses of capitalism and the excesses of a society in which like men are encouraged to be violent and like aggressive and seek the domination of their opponents. Are that like that that that is a problem, rather than that men are a problem. The issue is not men. The issue is a system that has grown up around incentivizing men to act like sociopaths.

And yeah, um, yeah, he's done this before too, and this is one actually one of the topics that made him cry semi recently. Um. And it's uh. It's interesting partially because a lot of stuff Peterson says can often could could be characterized as being like demoralizing two groups of people. Um, who cares what you believe? You don't

believe anything, you're six Yeah yeah, um. Jordan's many of most of the things that have happened in the world that have like changed the destiny of nations have been because a lot of teenagers believed to things very strongly God. Um. But also like it's uh, because the framing is trying to do is like yeah, there's this and all everything's

gonna be destroyed, So of course you're do moralized. But the party is leaving out is that most people who criticize aspects of society or how the earth is going, um, acknowledge that we can do something about it, and uh should and it would be good if we did something about it. But his whole ideology is based off of not doing anything about society. So to him it is demoralizing more so because he's like, well, and then there's nothing to do about it. So what we would you

turn to despair? Well, no, you don't have to turn in despair. You could turn to like changing the way things are done. Um, I don't think we're gonna do that, Cody. But what I think we are going to do is

have us a little ad break. Oh ye see if see if the evil uncle that is our sponsors will slay the dragon of us not owning enough things anyway, mark of the old crone, you see, speaking of old crones that it would be a good name for like a bourbon that I was gonna say, perfect, Cody, you come over into my salon where I have a dozen shares in several large bookcases, and I said, Mr Johnson, good to see would you like perhaps we can share a dram of old Chrome andron Crone and talk about

uh Spinoza. Yeah, And because it sounds a lot awful lot like old Crow, I feel like I do, Like we're just crow. That's that's what I'm doing. Anyway, here's our ads. All right, we're back. So outside of what we just talked about, I think one of the things that's interesting about that last bit of what Peterson was saying is that, like it's bad to make young men feel as if the domination of the society by like small groups of extremely hierarchical males is bad because that

makes them demonized for being male. What he's also when he says that, what he's saying is that like those those traditional, like patriarchal values are necessary for young men, and that demonizing that behavior causes a crisis of manhood.

So while I think most of the people who talk about the patriarchy are saying that, like this is bad for men and women and we need to like end it for the good of everybody, he is saying that, like, if you demonize this patriarchal domination of society, you're inherently demonizing men because they cannot be separated from it. They are incapable of living any other way, which I actually

find as a man is pretty offensive. Um. But it also hearing that makes me think about another thing I read in that Sex Toy Company study quote about of respondents interested in male partners said their ideal man is in touch with his and other emotion others emotions, is comfortable discussing mental health nine percent, and talking about sex eighty eight percent, caring of social issues eight six percent, and comfortable interacting with people of all sexual orientations three percent.

Compared to this ideal man, the same respondent said their current male partners are much less likely to have these traits twelve percent less on average. The survey revealed men are already moving in this direction, with many benefits to being a man who feels more, including a better relationship with their partner. The emotional connection with partners is twenty better on average, more self and body confidence. Sixty three percent of men who feel more have high levels of

self confidence versus fifty four percent of other men. This means they are eight percent more likely to think they have a beautiful body overall, higher levels of happiness of men who feel more strongly agree with that they are happy with their lives versus of other men, a better sex life, The quality and frequency of their sex, masturbation, and orgasms are twenty percent better on average than other men. They're also eighteen percent more sexually satisfied with their partners,

better overall health. Percent of men who feel more say they have good overall health versus eighty one percent of other men. They're also eleven percent more likely to belong

to a gym. So again, comprehensively, being like thoughtful and in touch with your emotions, and like open minded to people of other genders and orientations, and like caring of your partner makes you a comprehensively happier person, more likely to have sex, not just more likely to have sex, and management more likely to go to the gym, to take care of your own being healthy, able to do righte like, Like, they didn't say this in the study that you just recited, but um, if I were to

sort of distill it down, being more in touch with your feelings and open new emotions, sort of rejecting these ideas were talking about will lead you to be more likely to clean your room. Yeah, and I think it's more than that. I think a big part of it is that like embracing the attitudes that Peterson has, which is that like, life is this struggle, and you have to be the master of everyone and everything around you, and that doing anything else is going to make you

unfulfilled and miserable. Is what makes you und fulfilled and miserable. And caring about other people and listening to them and being agreeable and and like loving is what makes you happy and also makes you more powerful, both in a physical sense and in an emotional sense and anyway, I mean, and he's it's because he's even said things along those lines before too. Um. His whole deal is sort of talking out both sides of his mouth in different clips.

Like you can find him talking about what you just said in other clips. Um. And how you know if you want to, uh like to talk about depression before and how uh a good way to get out of that funk is to uh focus on other people and helping other people. Um. And but he's not gonna he can't like reconcile a lot of these sort of disparate

thoughts that he has. Nope, so that's pretty cool. Um, we're barely two minutes into the episode, and Jordan Peterson's entire theory of the world has already been demolished by a company that makes vibrators, which I think is pretty funny. Um, let's see what we can learn next. Um. He brings up his friend Mary and Tupi, author of books with and he just says, like, my friend Mary and Tuppy, you know and and starts talking about this person's ideas.

Maryan Tupi is the author of books with titles like ten Global Trends Every Smart Person Should Know and Superabundance, the Story of population growth, innovation, and human flourishing on an infinitely bountiful planet. Um. Kind of in the context of this guy, Peterson brings up Paul Erlick, who is Airlick is the guy who like made this bet about

certain He was a he was a malenthusiant, right. He was a guy being like, the world overpopulation is coming a bunch, there's going to be a resource crunch, and he made a bet about a bunch of resources running out that was wrong, right, That's the gist of Paul Airlick. This happened in like the eighties, and the right wing has never shut up about it as a reason to doubt that climate change is real and that a bunch

of other problems are real. Um So, Peterson contrasts Airlck and Malthusians like him who are pessimistic with optimists like his friend Mary and Tupi, and he he describes to be as a perfectly objective thinker and analyst. Yeah, Sophie,

can you play that clip? Marry and Tupi and his co author analyzed historical data looking at the relationship between population expansion and abundance, which is a positive relationship in that has there have been more people born since there have been more smart and competent people born, which is necessary consequence of that, we've got richer, not poor. And the mal enthusiasts say, yeah, well, you know, the other shoe will draw up eventually. It's like, yeah, specify your

time frame, buddy. You don't get to have an infinite expanse to prove your hypothesis correct. Like, okay, hold up there, Jordan's since you have asked us to specify a time frame, perhaps we should look into how your friend Marian's predictions have held up from let's say two thousand fifteen. Marian Tupi has been writing stuff for a while. UM, and and that is I would say most people would agree that from two thousand two, most things have gotten worse

around the world. Right. Um, food is more expensive, gas is more expensive. There's a massive land war in in Ukraine. The consequences of climate change have gotten more disastrous. Wildfires have gotten worse all around the world. We've had the biggest ones in the history of both the American West and Australia, just to name a couple of places in

the very recent past. So I think most people, even if you're not scared of like Trump and Bolson Jaro and fucking the rise of all of these authoritarians around the world, would agree things have oddly gotten worse for a lot of people since two thousand fifteen. Um. It just so happens that Mary and Tubby is not, as Peterson says, an objective analyst of data, but a right wing crank. He works he works for the Cato Institute. UM, and his big thing is arguing that infinite wealth can

be extracted from the planet. Uh, and everything will continue to get inevitably better if we just keep extracting. He's part of a whole team of think tank grifters, and in servicing this end, he's been a regular contributor at Quillette, a far right website who also publishes defenses of Phrenology and National Review. It was at the latter that he published a June two thousand fifteen article titled Pope Francis is unwarranted Gloom and I'm gonna quote from that now.

The Pope, as the Independent sums up in the encyclical, asserts that the world's poorest are the biggest victims of a web of environmental, human, financial, and ethical degradation that puts the entire planet at risk risk. He lambassed rich countries for looting the world, warns that the world is

facing widespread crop failure, economic ruin, and averge. That warming caused by the enormous consumption of some rich countries has of percussions in the poorest places on Earth, especially in Africa, where the increase in temperature complying with drought has had to rest disastrous effects on the performance of crops. Now, everything the Pope says there is absolutely true, um and all of those facts have been proven absolutely true over

the last seven years. Every single thing he said is undeniably, objectively, factually true. We are currently dealing with widespread crop failures this year and unprecedented surges in food prices. In two thousand fifteen, Marian Tupi wrote, quote, and this is him talking about the pope. His views on anthropogenic global warming will be hotly debated, but his gloom is unwarranted. Well,

good news, Marian, the debate is over. Two thousand eight teen brought Africa's hottest measured temperature on record d and twenty four point three degrees in Algeria, and in more than four hundred weather stations around the world beat their all timed heat records. There's a ton that Tupi is wrong about here. He makes a big point about how poverty has declined, and in two thousand fifteen those numbers worldwide,

we're looking pretty good. It did look like poverty was declining very rapidly around the world, but people who actually honestly analyzed the data, including Pope Francis, were able to see just a little bit ahead and that a warming world with things like widespread crop failures in brutal pandemics um was going to like lead to a decline in what gains capitalism had brought people over the last twenty

years or so. Um, after COVID nineteen, the global poverty rates surged from seven point eight to nine point one percent, wiping out at least four years of progress towards ending extreme poverty. So like, again, this guy who Peterson's claims to be, all these malenthusians, these people who are talking about how the world's heading towards resource crunches are wrong

because they never specify their time frame. So like what they're saying isn't falsifiable, but to be has presented falsifiable claims about the state of the world, and they've all been falsified. Right, Like his friend has been wrong, And because he's been writing for seven years, we can see the things he's been wrong about. He's talking about. How like Pope Francis, it's debatable as to whether or not Francis is right about you know, Africa warming and this

is having a disastrous impact on the poor. Well we're now in two and it's not debatable anymore. Mary Marian was fucking wrong. Um anyway, Peterson next pivots back to crowing about Paul Airlick and TUPI has extended that work to a basket of fifty commodities, and has demonstrated now that each child born produces seven times as much wealth

as they consume. So enough with there are too many people on the planet, and you know, human beings are a destructive force, and all male will is nothing but a cancer on the planet and part of the oppressive patriarchy. It's like, that's all. There isn't a shred of evidence for any of that except so, yeah, he loves talking like that. He does all he is doing here, it's worth noting. So Maryan Tupi is a media person. He has a bunch of videos, particularly on YouTube. He goes

on podcasts all the time. And all he's saying is like a longer version of what Peterson saying, right, that the more people who were born, and the more people who like, the more that we extract and and from the earth, the wealthier everyone will get that this is like a fact of reality that cannot be questioned. Um and again it's like you're living through him being wrong. We're experiencing it every day of our lives. In two I mean, aside from like the general misrepresentation of a

lot of the points being made by other people. Um, it is just interesting seeing him get so angry about yeah things that like, well, we like because he filmed this in two I assume yes, yes, at which point it is very obvious that the stuff that Mary and Tupi was writing in two fifteen was completely wrong. Yeah, and like I don't I'm I'm not personally in the camp of like overpopulation is like a problem. The problem is not overpopulation, it's over consumption by wealthy an allocation

of resources and things like that. Um so I'm not like I don't have babies, d growth like that kind of thing. But like, uh, this other stuff that he's saying is also wrong. Yes, it's one of those that he's he's making kind of the same arguments that I think Matthew Iglesias is the guy who's like, we need to have a billion Americans. It's like, no, we don't actually like I don't believe overpopulation is the problem, but we certainly don't need to expand the population of wealthy

countries or the population in general. Like there's plenty of people. Um, yeah, it's it's fine. It's fine, even like billions a good number. Yeah, even like the the um we don't need to talk a whole lot about birthrates and stuff. But every time it comes up, I'm always just like, okay, but like, is it going to go down to zero and then there be no people? Is that what you think is gonna happen? Like, No, it's just people are number one. There's like less need to have multiple children. And it's

broadly good when the birth rate does slow down. Um, especially since it leads like there's been a bunch of benefits to the fact that people no longer are having in the West, like twelve child families, including the fact that like kids get more attention from their parents and are seeing less as like a disposable commodity, which they often were early in history. Um, I don't know. Uh,

it's cool. I think the thing that the thing that Tupi is saying that like I find offensive is that this is a line of our and there's a lot of guys whose whole job is making this argument that everything is getting better, and that everyone who has complaints about the world and who sees things as like on a really dark course is just irrational and not looking at the actual facts and what these arguments are geared towards.

Is convincing a centrist middle class that the everything will get back to whatever they used to consider normal, The world will recover entirely from COVID, climate change will get fixed by some one. Yet as of yet, scene scientific innovation and neoliberal capitalism will continue to increase the value extracted from the earth every year forever. It is the do you don't have to worry or change anything? Argument? Right, Yes, yes, yeah, it's a it's that's I mean, his whole thing is,

don't do anything, it'll work itself out. And Peterson likes this argument, and a lot of the people who to push this argument are actually like more on the liberal side of things. But Jordan Peterson likes sees this argument because he he has this kind of panglossy and belief that everything is the best that it could be and

is getting better. Like sorry, Peterson uses this argument this like pananglossy and belief that everything is the best it could be in getting better to argue that masculine capitalist wealth seeking is altruism, right, That's why he finds this useful. And I want to play another clip here too. So not only are we not governed by the satanic expression of power dooming us to a kind of authoritarian Hell, what we're properly governed by is something like the spirit

of voluntary play. And so that's all good. That's all necessary to know for young men, because they're taught so often that their ambition is somehow intrinsically corrupt and the best thing they could do is just, you know, slough off into a corner and maybe die without making too much noise. Yeah. I had a friend who committed suicide really because he believed that took him like twenty years to die. It was pretty painful to watch, but he

definitely believed all that. Yeah. Yeah, the real joy of watching Peterson is that he'll just sort of veer off and like safe ship like this, And of course we don't know anything, Like he says, this happens over twenty years. So was he talking about like a guy with a substance to abuse disorder. That's what I'm thinking he's talking about, because he's not like, yeah, twenty like it sounds like, yeah,

twenty years of like depression. Yeah yeah, and he was depressed because is there are massive unsolved problems that the rich are like burning money in order to make it.

Basically either illegal or impossible for people to solve. And Peterson's job is to reinforce those people and try to convince folks for another year or two that they don't need to take any action to stop the oil and gas companies and other wealthy interests from pilfering the world as it falls apart around us, and they retreat to their fucking bunkers. Like that's literally his entire job. Everything

is fine, ignore the warning signs for another year. That's why he exists, That's why they fund that's why oil and are wound funding this guy. That's why they're throwing money at him to do this. Yeah, and he does it by like some very unclear anecdote. And it's interesting because the people arguing everything is getting better. That's an argument that works for like the Obama style neoliberals, because it's like, look, this the system, we just need to

tweak it around the edges. This is fundamentally good and what we're doing is good. Um, and Peterson is taking and saying like, because everything is getting better, and because we live in a society dominated by capitalist, hierarchical men, being that kind of person is an out is altruism. Like being a billionaire who, for example, buys a company fire sev of the people there, loads it with debt, and then crashes. It is good because you're you know

that that kind of behavior makes the world better. Obviously, men like that have been in charge since forever, so since they've been in charge and the world's gotten better. Their altruists, it's the same sort of line of thinking. He and like a lot of like like evolutionary biologists. It's like the evolutionary psychology uh sort of thing where it's like, well, because we're here today and alive, every single uh step of evolution was good, like the capital

g we should preserve it right where it worked. It worked then, like millions of years ago. Therefore we need to preserve it. And this is again, this is always the idea. This is always the actual ideology of the

people who are in power. This is why Voltaire in fucking candem I brought up pangloss like he is mocking this idea that like the pain loss is this like philosopher guy who's saying, like this is the best of all possible worlds and everything that happens, and it is like the best that can possibly be, which is if you're in charge, always the way in which you want people to feel like. That's all Jordan Peterson is is fucking pangloss with you on top of the pyramidmid rule. Yeah, anyway,

we should probably roll to ads. I love it. Oh God, what a great time. Um, I for one love that. Voltaire in seventeen fifty nine writes Jordan Peterson into a novel and he's it's the same guy. It's the same guy. Um, that's very funny guy. Same outfit, same outfit. Yeah. So anyway, here's Jordan Peterson being wrong again. Awesome companies. It is well man who quell themselves to that degree also suffer the shadow problem, which is all the lived life ambition,

aggression within them, sexual desire that just goes underground. And then well, that's that's what accounts in part for these explosive violent crimes, certainly accounts for a lot of gang crime, because gang crime that's been established beyond a shadow of

a doubt is all status jockey. Now, so for one thing, he's saying that, like because men are being told to like deny their natural kind of like aggressive status seeking Nature's Um, that's what's leading these explosions of violence, which is interesting because the United States is, even with the recent search we saw after COVID nineteen, less violent than it has been at basically any point in the lifetimes of anybody alive right now, Like when I was born

in the late nineteen eighties, the United States was vastly more violent than it is today. Um, almost in every single part of the country. Uh So why why would that be, Jordan's why why would that be if we've also gotten more woke over time? UM? I don't know, maybe just just whatever. Um. All of these things that he takes as evidence of a sick culture, lower birth rates, increased understanding and rejection of patriarchy, more open minded and

emotionally connected men. These things have all occurred as violence has declined in the United States. And this is true even accounting for the increases and violence that some places experienced after COVID nineteen. I'm gonna quote from a New York Times article this August crime murder mass shootings have dominated headlines this year. Just over the weekend, of shooting in Cincinnati wounded nine people and another in Detroit killed one and wounded four. But the full crime data tells

a different story. Nationwide, shootings are down four percent this year compared to the same time last year. In big cities, murders are down three percent. If the decrease in murders continues for the rest of twenty two, this will be the first year since two thousand eighteen in which they

fell in the United States. Huh Again, this is also like there's a lot to blame the media on because if you graph how common shootings are in this country versus how commonly they're covered in the United States, coverage of shootings has soared massively. Well, shootings have more or less staid stable in most of the country and slightly declined in a lot of places. Um. And this is because like if it bleeds, it leads, right, This has led people to believe errantly that the United States is

much more violent than it actually is right now. Where again, this is like a massive continuing problem, right that as over the last thirty years violence has declined, people have believed that cities have gotten more like there's like you talked to a conservative and fucking Ohio about New York City and they'll be like, well, yeah, it's really dangerous, Like it's it's this crime Drinche tellhole, no, New York City is safer, safer than virtually a hundred percent of

rural America. Um. Um, Yeah, sounds like Peterson is a victim of the woke media. Yes, it does sound like he's a victim of the woke media. Um. In the early nineteen nineties, the US averaged around ten murders per hundred thousand people. In the Obama years, that dropped to a little more than four. And even though things have ticked up after COVID, they still topped out at around seven per hundred thousand, and that is now declining again. Um,

that's a significant drop. Yeah. Again, we were just like we were just talking about like pangloss and stuff, but like the change in the commonness of violence and murder in the United States since the early nineties is stunning, Like it is a massive decline. Yeah. It's interesting that like the one thing, like he could be he could be right about that one thing, but he chooses to

be wrong about that one thing and everything else. Yeah, Because if if it's true that violent, that we're much less violent than we used to be, even given like how much attention shootings get in the media today, then The argument is that maybe like, oh, perhaps like all of these things that have changed about like encouraging men to talk about their feelings and accept other people and accept different sexual orientations and a wider understanding of gender,

maybe all of that actually like helped. I mean, maybe it's just getting the lead out of gasoline, but maybe that other stuff like she didn't hurt, yeah, did not hurt um. But he would uh probably reject that too because he doesn't want to change anything about like environmental Uh well, after that did affect you, His environment means everything. Yeah,

that's a he's such a little weener. Yeah. So from here, Peterson claims that women are inherently interested in men based on the amount of resources that they have or are likely to generate. Mm hm. You know, women often get a bad rap, especially from people in the manisphere, so called for being hypergamous, which means mating across socio economic hierarchies, because women have a preference for men young women we're about four years older than them, who are as well

off or better off than they are. And it's a female calibration mechanism, uh for to to remediate the inequality placed on women in relationship to pregnancy and infant care. So woman takes a vicious hit in terms of productivity when she becomes pregnant and has a doing immediately updating my dating profile. I'm sorry, are you exactly four years older than me? Um? I do wonder if women men

four years older than them has anything to do with that. Like, the older you get, the less likely you are to take Jordan Peterson seriously, more likely you are to be more in touch with your feelings. Maybe you've like matured a little bit and are better partner. H Uh. I don't know, Like that's that's like, what's his point? I don't know. I don't It's it's such a transactional way

of looking at relationships. Women prefer older men because they earn more and have more money, and women know that they're going to take a financial hit by having a child because it reduces their productivity. And that's a no. People don't think like that. Jordan's like nobody. People do not go out into the world and decide to have

like a child and gold. I need to get a man who has an additional four years of earning so that his savings and like make up for the loss in productivity that I'm going to suffer for having this child. And I mean some people, I'm sure there's it's not a zero number, but like I know a lot of people who have had kids, and none of them thought that much about it. Mostly they just get pregnant and decide, I guess I'm gonna have a kid because it feels

like a good time to do it. Figure it out. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, not us ladies four years older than us. I'm sorry, where are you? Okay, I must dot the t at Okay, great, will not will not go on a date unless you've met all these qualifications because I might need to take your money so I may have a child. Yeah, it makes perfect sense, girls stuff. Yeah, that's totally how I

think about things. God. Yeah, it's uh, I mean, it's it's a really toxic You get this because he's kind of laying it out as if like this is just

like completely re sasonable and uncontroversial. But the actual like argument he's making is that women are incapable of love, which that is like the insulting of like, well, women women are hypergamus because it's a resource thing, and that's the thing that they're thinking about is like maximizing their resources and right and as opposed to like the actual like yeah, that like the connection that one hopes to

have with another person. The reason why most people have kids is that they really want to fuck another person and then they get pregnant and decide, I guess I'm having a kid now. Look, that's not going to describe a hundred percent of cases, but most of the people I know were like, well, yeah, I was with this guy or this lady and we had sex and then you know, there was a pregnancy, and we decided I

guess now is the time. Yeah, And he's I think historically that's most pregnancy sort of apply like a person's value. And this is like it's so weirdly harmful because he's sort of excusing this behavior and saying like this is how it is and this is how it should be. Therefore you need to do this and this and this

to get this high on his little hierarchy. Uh, and like it just puts so much value on uh, like like just money, Like that's the value that he's trying to focus on, as opposed to all the other values that people look for when looking for a partner. I don't know. Weird unpleasant way to look at things. Yeah, I find it unpleasant, but you know what I do find pleasant, Cody. The next thing you're gonna say, I find your plug doubles deeply pleasant. I love it when

you plug things. Can I can? I say nothing gets me harder? You can say it? Thank you again? Say they did I have of I will continue to Yeah you will. I'm gonna plug so hard? Um whatever anything any hole? All right? Enough of that. Hi, I'm Cody, and I have things on the internet. You can google me. Cody Johnston is the name um gotta show on YouTube called some More News and a podcast called even More News and patreon dot com slash some More News is

where you can support us for those things. And furthermore, that's it. Wow, brave, courage the Hot Shapes. You have a band. Yeah, we don't have technically have songs available yet, but we will probably by the time this air is Actually it's called the Hot Shapes. Now, Cody, tell me this. When you say a band, what kind of music do you play? Is it ska? It's not ska unfortunately, and yet you think it's music interesting? Interesting, interesting subject of

subjectively music? I don't know that. I agree with the first non ska band. Someone finally did it. They created music that wasn't ska. We did it. Somebody did it. Somebody ring, ring the bell and tell the Mighty Mighty boss Tones that they're great. Burden has been lifted. You are free. You're free. Go make another album about George Floyd. Oh god, Oh did you not hear that? Oh oh, Cody, it was one of the worst things anyone's ever done. Yeah. Um,

you need to listen to that. In the break between when we record episodes and when we come back to part two, we will start by you talking about your reaction to that Mighty Mighty Bosstones song. Oh yeah, oh Cody, it's unbelievable. Anyway, that's been part one. We'll see you again on Thursday. Go with Christ Behind the Bastards is

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