Part One: The Bastard Who Invented Homeopathy

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them a reason to use it. So once we get the machete out of the room, I have something else that I found. Well, I was up. I found a VHS copy of Basic Instinct by Paul Verhoeven, the original director's cut with a fake signature by Paul Verhoven. Inside the cover of the VHS tape. I found it by a trash pile. He's sincere he wrote that, he sincerely

wrote that he really did. And just so people know this, this VHS copy is the wide screen letter box edition that's critical includes the theatrical trailer too hot to be shown in movie houses. And I figured, what we do once we get a criterion collection, the Criterion collection it really see it, see it the way it was meant to be on a VHS that's been hanging out near a down on a TV that's got in a box. Still smells a little bit like trash, but it's in

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is like a white trash version. Yes, Sophie can be the ump that it's not what it's called. But what is it called in tennis? I think an umpire in tennis, I don't know official. I don't think up is it. So if he's going to look up what it's actually called is if tennis has played with a copy of Basic Instinct in two nine, it's like a judge involved line Judge, I don't know. I'm okay with all this. I don't know about tennis Empire, but it'll be fun to hit. Now there's gonna be a lot of plastic

shards and we don't have by protection. Maybe it's an official I've seen in three different they serve as the oh no, oh no. I would like the title of chief umpire, which is apparently a thing. Okay, So so if he's going to be the chief Empire, Billy Wayne will be taking on the role of Ratro Federer tennis guy nailed, and I will be taking on the role of Serena Williams. That's nailed it. That's a big shoes to feel. Those are the only tennis players I can name.

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of fun once we get our machete. I mean, I'm just gonna hold a knife the whole show now, Billy Wayne, because you're here as the guest, I think everyone can know what that means, and it means that we're going to talk about a fake doctor, or in this case, a lot of fake doctors. Oh yeah, yeah, see today, Billy Wayne, We're not just talking about a fake doctor. Our subject this week might well be the king of all fake doctors. Do you know the name Samuel Hanman. No,

I'm excited about. Well, he is the man who invented homeopathy. Okay, yeah, that's where we're going. He's largely responsible for the birth of what's called alternative medicine UM and surprising, I'm not sure he qualifies as a bastard. So we're gonna get into him part one and then part two. We will definitely be talking about some bastards. Would he be Can I predict he might be a bastard because he opened a certain door for other bastards. Yeah, I think he meant. Well,

that's like it's like manslaughter of bastards, if that makes sense. Yeah, you funked up, but not on purpose, but it's bad. It's like those in the South, large chunks of the South in Texas, and I think also in Louisiana. I know they have they have a drive through liquor stores and you're not supposed to drink and drive, but a lot of people do because it's a drive through liquors. Didn't get of your truck. Yeah, you don't even have

to get out of your truck. He's like the drive through liquor store of medicine, where you can say, maybe he just wanted to make the process of buying liquor more convenient. But as a result, a lot of people rammed pedestrians. They had to fix a lot of fences because of that man. Where a lot of problems. Yes, okay, I got you, I got Yeah, he's the no you put a piece of tape over the straw, Yeah, exactly, Then it's not an open container. Straw. We fixed it.

People may not know that, but you can buy Margarita's in your car if there's tape over the straw. And Dacories are the big one in Louisiana. Oh god, just a thirty two I don't styrofoam cup full of peer Grain alcohol, peer Grain alcohol and a slushy and then they hand it to you with tape over it and the right don't don't move that, don't do what you're gonna do. Yeah, wink uh. It has always been my dream.

I don't think I'll ever move back to the South because I hate the weather, but if I did, I would love to operate a combination gun store drive through liquor store. I mean, yeah, why not just push it go all the way and you're like, well, if you buy two dacories, you get a gun, and if you buy two guns, you get four store or one for you KEI it did you get tuned in? Your wife gets one? And ideally we also opened a pharmacy, so it's like a pill mill drive through liquor shop, gun store.

I mean that's one of Like. As my grandpa was on his way out, he said, we were talking one time and He's like, fight had it, dude, over again. Pharmacy. That's what you own, pharmacy. And I was like, that is a good point, Grandpa. That's a that's solid grandfather. That is sounds like that's a good point. It's too late for me. But one day, Billy Wayne, one day you'll start that pharmacy. Pharmacy. So I guess we should

get into the story now. Christian Friedrich Samuel Hanman was born on April tenth, seventeen fifty five, in the city of Mason, which I'm probably mispronouncing. One of his modern day followers says that it was quote so close to midnight that there is debate as to the date. His church apparently registered his birthday as the eleventh, but he

celebrated it on the tenth. This website, which is like a homeopathic fan site for Samuel Hahneman, notes, as the story of his life unfolds, this is a pertinent fact to bear in mind because arguably it sets a pattern that continued throughout. I actually have no idea what they mean by this, but he's inconsistent that that. No. I think they're positive. I think they're saying that, like the authorities said, that like, this is his birthday, but he like said it was a different day. He's like, I

know better, I know exactly. I think that's what they're getting at. But it's very silly. Right now you're born here. He's like, no, as I remember in the right, you really fuck that up. I would celebrate both days. Oh yeah, I mean I don't think people got presents back then. I think they just got cholera. It's your birthday. Shoot yourself to death. Classic German seventeen hundreds birthday. Samuel was

a weak and sickly child. He was christened on the of the month, like two days after his birth, out of the expectation that he would die soon and so he needed a name before he went to heaven or hell. I think babies went to hell at that point. But alas Samuel grew stronger and gradually it became clear that he would in fact survive being a baby. Samuel was one year old when the Seven Year War broke out, a slap fight between Prussia and Austria for Silesia, all

of which is basically considered Germany to Americans today. Uh. This war had a disasterus impact on the porcelain and cloth trades, and since Samuel's dad made his living as a porcelain painter, the family finances took a real hit. He was educated at home, which was not particularly uncommon or any kind of statement at the time. That homeopathic

fan Girl website. I found on this note that Samuel's father, Christian Quote, sometimes locked his son up with a problem when he went to work, expecting him to have solved it or to have some insight into it by the time he got back. Now that's a that's a frugal babysitter. Just get a problem in the lock him in a room. What's the answer? Hell, I don't know. Yeah. Her A depiction of it makes it seem like, oh, this is

like how you raise a genius baby. Uh yeah. I found another depiction of this parenting practice in a nineteen hundred biography of Samuel that does make it sound a lot shadier. Yeah, it sounds like, Yeah, it's like a he'll billy'll be like, well, you gotta TV, don't you. We're gonna go watch it and we're gonna go turn it up. Yeah, you hear noises, turn it up, put

him in from the shiney boss. It'll be good. Handman's father, before going to the factory, used frequently to lock his son in a room, close the shutters, and give him a difficult sentence to ponder over of which he had to give an account on his father's return. This contributed to making the son an original thinker. I think that's what Trump does every morning on Twitter, is he just gives us a difficult sentence, and all day we're like, what does that mean? What does that mean? Why did

he capitalize the letters? He cap That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, he's just trying to raise us, like Samuel Hanman's father. Now, once he was older and the family fortunes had recovered somewhat, Samuel was allowed to go to the local elementary school. His teacher, Johann Mueller, recognized him as a uniquely brilliant pupil. Alas for Samuel, his father pulled him out of school at aged fifteen, reasoning that he'd spent more than enough time learning and it was well passed time for him

to get a full time gig. In fairness to Christian, you were legally an adult age fourteen in that part of the world at that time, So Samuel really got a whole extra year of childhood. Yeah, kind of luxury childhood there, so that's good for him. Christian set his son up with a job at a grocery store in Leipzig. Samuel did the job for a while, but he grew tired of it quickly and was convinced that the world had something greater in store for him, so he ran

away from home the sort of. He actually just ran away from his dad and his job and had his mom hied him while he worked up the courage to confront his father about the fact that he wanted to go back to school. Where she hid him. I don't know, it's not really specific about that. I'm guessing a closet just like in the house still I think so, or maybe yeah, they had some money so she might have like rented him a room or something, Yeah, like a storage place it Yeah, what an inn and like tell

the dad that he ran away. Yeah, I think it was an issue of the way it's I've read it is that like she hit him because she wasn't going to go to bat for her kid against her father, because you don't do that. I understand that Germany basically Germany essentially Germany and um, but At the same time, he didn't like he had to work up the courage to like tell his dad, I don't want to work at a grocery store. I want to finish school and

be an educated man. I understand now. It was more of like, neither of us want to get whacked my dad yet, because okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So eventually Samuel did confront his father, and he was apparently successful in convincing him that he should be allowed to go to grammar school. She just sent him to a box and ring because I just learned to take a punch, and then you can tell him you're gonna have to let your dad hit you. He's gonna hit you. He's gonna hit you a lot, So just get used to just

learn how to take that. You talk to dad, he's gonna throw a couple of punches, just just just to keep him at himself. He enjoys it. It's it's you know, you get back. He gets back from work, he's been punched all day. He's going to throw a couple of pups. Watches left. It's better than you think, huh. So, yeah, Samuel went to a grammar school. He studied science and languages and he wrote a dissertation on the structure of

the human hand. He was quite successful during this period, and he earned himself admission into Leipzig University to pursue a medical degree, but his course of studies was exhausting, and he would later write that it convinced him young people should not be allowed to go to school. Quote from Samuel mental exertion and study are unnatural occupations for young people whose bodily development is not yet complete, especially

for those who are endowed with sensitive feelings. This nearly cost me my life during the period from fifteen to twenty years old. I can't pretty progressive thinking man board with that. I mean, that's just yeah, he's like, yeah, fifteen to twenty, just throw him in the woods. We should have a big field for him. I kind of like that idea. I've always been a big advocate of once kids get old enough to talk back, just driving

them into a field and leaving them there. I think they get feral, and then we'd have they were they're smarter than we think though. Yeah, you're right, it would be like a hog problem and would happen way quicker than we want to think it would. Yeah, yeah, No, it's like the wild boars. Yeah, that's what would happen. They'd grow tusk. You'd have to kill them with drones. I guess there's no perfect solution to teenagers. No, no, you just watch them and hope they don't team up. Yeah,

I hope they don't team up. The good thing is they'll throw each other under the bus because they're so horny. Yeah, yeah, that is that they're trying to suck the bus. It is weird to think like that. Thank god they're horny. Thanks, thank god they're too horny to be smart. Yes, we'd have a problem with all that energy they got. Yeah, we'd have to be like, well, we do wars. Yeah, that's we just do a war every couple of years.

It is. That was a nicer era in warfare, back when like most of them were just like, we gotta do something with all these fucking teenagers. Yeah, they give them, give them guns, Put the dumbest ones in the front, and then let him walk towards each other. Let him walk towards each other until they're tired, until we got the best ones, the smart ones. Dune at age nineteen and seventeen seventy four, a penniless. Samuel Hahnman left Masin to go to Leipzig. He worked as a translator to

make in his meat. Depending on which source you read, he was either incredibly good at this, a brilliant linguist in great demand, or he was completely mediocre and he barely succeeded in an avoiding object poverty. I found like five different variations of how this period of his life went. I don't know which is accurate, maybe none of them.

One thing they all seemed to agree on is that during his years studying theoretical medicine, which was the degree program track he was on, he became disillusioned with the medical establishment, which is understandable of the medical establishment in seventeen seventy four. Yeah, a lot of leeches, A lot of leeches, a lot of poison. Yeah yeah, the cocaine. That's a real medicine. Billy, right, I have some friends that will agree with you. Good for what ail now.

The pro homeopathy biography of Hanman I found is written by someone called Sheila. That's the only name she's given on the site, and she's a British homeopath whose website links back to a website about how autism isn't real. So just so we're aware of this particular source. Um, yeah, what is it autism? If it's not real? I think it's a bacterial infection. I don't know. There's a bunch of crazy theories about that. It's like the bleached people. I do feel like she's one of the bleached people.

That makes sense. Yeah, that's the thing where I know better. Yeah, quote from Sheila the Homeopath. He paid for his studies by teaching German and French and by translating Greek in English into German for better off students. Help came from an anonymous benefactor in Mason, who paid for some of the lectures. It is in Leipzig that the seeds of Samuel's discontent with the medical profession of the time were sown because he was not satisfied with some of the

lectures and attended them only selectively. He was also unhappy with the lack of practical facilities. That's the positive homeopathy version of this is that he just he he realizes that medicine at the time is flawed, and he he doesn't like attending all of his lectures, which you could also write is just like him being a bad student that was gonna say something it's hard to listen and stuff like that it is, and then to be justified with like, I just this, you guys are wrong. I'm

gonna fix medicine. I mean, I will say even a stop clock is right every couple of centuries, and in this case, ignoring mainstream medical lectures was was a good idea. Yeah, but at the same time, like, don't you have to learn what's wrong? But if you're learning what's wrong and they're telling you what's right, that might not be good either. I don't know. That's a weird This is a weird story. Yeah,

it's going to get confusing. Yeah, morally, the second part is just going to be bastards all the way down. So but but first we gotta get muddy waters and not the good kind of muddy waters. He just feels like I understand in that feeling. I mean in college, because there was a part of me that like, a lot of this feels like a scam. Yeah, like why

do I have to take bowling? Yeah? You know what I mean, Like I was like, and then the business side of my major mostly was a communications but the business side was like just prepping everyone to work at a corporation, and I was already like, oh, I don't want to do that, And all my teachers are like, what do you mean. That's with the money, that's how you make mons. I'm gonna make my money. Yeah, Like, I don't want people giving me I don't want to

have to depend on that, and you're making robots. Yeah, it just made me so I understand what he's thinking. We're like, oh, yeah, some of this, Like if I was gonna be a like a scientist, this makes sense, or a lawyer. But I learned more about business that the ups store than any of you fuckers have taught me.

I learned more about business hanging out with my friends who sold weed than I ever learned in college, and more practical stuff about business, like how to replace the air bag in your car's steering wheel with a bag of marijuana. It's a good place to hide it. That's a free tip for everybody out there still living in one of the states where it's illegal. M Sofie, are we allowed to give people tips on drug smuggling? Sophie is making a gesture that I cannot interpret through it.

I'm just gonna plug my airs so she's just gonna plug her Okay, also hide drugs up your butt. Both work. Now back to uh, back to Samuel Hanman. Um So, I just read kind of the pro Samuel Hanman as the founder of the most valuable medical revelation in the history of the world, that that's that angle on it.

I've found a very different account of this period in his life and an article written for the American Council on Science and Health a five oh one c three established in nineteen to promote evidence based science and medicine. Here's what they say. Although he tried to earn money as a translator, making in meat was very difficult for him. On the brink of starvation, he was introduced to an opulent Transylvanian baron, Samuel Brookenhal, the head of the Madgeburg

Freemason's Lodge. Hanman was initiated into the lodge in hermann Stott, Transylvania, in October seventeen seventy seven. He quickly came to esteem the many tinerant teachers of mysteries who were indoctrinating the lodges in such matters as alchemy and spiritism. In Samuel Hanman his life and work. Richard Hale hinted at the depth of Hanman's involvement in the Lodge. He advanced beyond vitalism and the naturalism of Shelling, and hegel to spiritism

and for a while lost his way in occultism. In Life and Letters of Samuel Hanman, Thomas Bradford gave a much less guarded account of the time Hanman spent in the service of har Brookeenthal. It was in these quiet, scholarly days that Hanman acquired that extensive and diverse knowledge of ancient literature and of occult sciences, which he afterwards proved himself to be a master. So he learned magic. Yeah,

he learned magic. The homeopaths like to be like. No, he just spent so much time in lectures that he realized what was wrong with the medical establishment and then the other version of the a is nah. He went

to work for a wizard in the learned magic. Yeah, he went to like a secret society for powerful dudes who also believe in some bullshit because they were they were blessed with certain opportunities that other people were Instead of realizing that, they thought they were fucking special and new magic, and they like to dress up in the costumes. Rituals are fun because they didn't have TV or a

lot of books. Rituals are fun, like the ritual of batting this copy of base against That's why you're supposed to find it magic. Magic it is you know what else is magic? Billy Wayne m capitalism. Capitalism is like magic, like magic. Uh. It transmutes a podcast that is free into money for me. It's good. It's good. See, nobody can explain that. Nobody knows how that works. Us service. We're back and we're furious. I want we want the machete.

So easy episode. It just feels like our episode is like it could be one thing and it's going to be another thing. This is like a well you you brought that VHS from I brought it from from the city's name that we will bleep out, Oh you don't want people to know where you live. It's a little we would be quite about a little bit. It's not all people where he lives. A solid point. You brought that.

Let's take that back across the country, across the country, across the nation with this old VHS copy of Basic Instinct. It's in great it's in great ship does have an odor, but that's fine. And it has a fake signature that might funny. Yeah, there's no way to know. Um, we're still sulfur. We're still waiting for the podcast. I'm going to go get it machete. Sophie's going to break in throom. Do you need two knives? Yeah, you got it. We got it. We're back, We're back, and we have just

we have liberated the podcasting God damn it. We are a fucking duo are We liberated the podcasting machete from an unnamed other podcast that was recording, which is very bad to do normally, but when it was an emergency. Now we have both the machete and the Billy Wayne Davis dagger on the table. This thing is dope. We're ready to play. By the way that that sheath has a sharpener in it right in the middle. I mean, so you take that, you take that strap out. You're

in the field, off the land. Use my little gerber now, I use my little spider cat. Last night when we were eating steak, but this would have immediately like you could kill a wild cow with that. There were wild cows all over the current. That could have been you I'm so proud of us. I'm very proud of us. That was a beautiful like tag team mothers on mission

that just went really well, really well. We we liberated our machete for the from the fearsome name bleeped, and uh it was great, very fearsome, very fearsome name bleeped, very fearsome name bleeped. Anyway, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to this podcast. Welcome, welcome, welcome. So um, yeah, it was

a good mission, you guys. Yeah. So the evidence I found makes it seem that, like Samuel Hahnman's, the kind of ideas that would eventually turn into homeopathy were more rooted in the occult stuff he learned when he was with the Masons than the stuff he learned in actual medical school. And the ironic thing is that this wasn't really a bad thing. That's what I was going to say that there is that part like he's like he's learned the placebo effect of yeah, medicine and people's mental

capacity of stuff. Yeah, y. In the seventeen hundreds, medicine was mostly dangerous nonsense. Um as this nineteen seventy right up on homeopathy from the University of Washington makes pretty clear. It's people dumber than Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies. We're pretending to be doctors. Granny knew some ship the point and a couple of herbs that did some things. That's the point of exact. People dumber than Granny. People dumber than Granny. Yeah, Granny was a drunk. Was a drunk.

In the first decades of the nineteenth century, medical therapy consisted mainly in bleeding, purging, vomiting, the application of leeches in the ingestion of an array of powerful chemical drugs. Their combined effect was often greatly debilitating and toxic to patients.

The prevailing therapeutical confusion alternated in action, doing little while waiting for the so called healing powers of nature to take over, with aggressiveness plunging patients into acute anemias and loss of bodily fluids through the use of so called depleting methods inherited from earlier times. So that's medicine inherited, inherited. Yeah.

After four semesters in medical school in seventeen seventy seven, Samuel will move to Vienna and spent three months working with a doctor Kuarin the personal doctor for Impress Maria Theresia. The good Doctor did not charge Samuel for his tutelage, but sam was still chronically short of cash. Thankfully, Doctor Kuarin introduced him to the Governor of Transylvania, who offered him a gig as his family physician. At least that's

what she live the homeopath says. The University of Washington, by contrast, claims his main job was working as the governor's library assistant and organizing his coin collection. So again, the homeopaths like, ah, he worked as the personal doctor to the Governor of Transylvania, And the more historical sources I found say that, like, no, he organized a coin collection. So she is taking his whole She very takes him,

very seriously. She's a homeopath. Well she's doing what he's doing, which is like, I know what you said, but I know a little better. I know a little bit better. Yeah, that's it's kind of he gets the game, she gets the gig. She has some interesting takes on autism too for you, but I don't want to know those. In the seventeen seventy nine, Samuel grew tired of organizing coins. He moved to er Langen and attended that university where

he finished his medical degree. After his graduation, hey, hey, step ahead of most, step ahead of he did most of the doctors that we talked about. He got a medical he got the degree. So we're okay, you see where this is getting murky. Time for him to move to Mexico, jerking off in val after his graduation. Samuelill spent the years between seventeen and seventy nine and seventeen eighty five. Is a nomadic wanderer, moving more than a

dozen times to different towns and cities in Germany. He grew interested in chemistry in Dessow, largely because he started fucking the town apothecary's daughter. According to the University of Watching, her name was chemistry, where her name was chemistry according to the University of Washington quote. His gradual alienation from contemporary medicine and medical practices emerged during his stay in the town of Gern. He was severely critical of the

deplorable conditions in a nearby asylum for the insane. In five he became a health officer for the city of Dresden, where for long years he aroused only hostility and contempt from physicians and apothecary. He's get away yeah and again, and he's kind of in the right, like he sees how fund up medicine isn't He gets piste at it. That does seem to be true. That like at this point as a working doctor, he's like, things are wrong. Yeah, this is you're not They keep coming back. Yeah, that's

not what we want. Yeah, that's not what we want. But lucky ones come back. The unlucky ones just die in the hole that we put them in, in the sick person hole. And he's like, well, I'm also the undertaker, so I'm doing all right. Yeah. There were a lot of those doctor undertakers. Doctor Undertaker and Dr Barber were probably the two most common doctor mash up jobs. My goal was to be a doctor bartender. I think that's a good goal. It's a golf pro doctor. Golf pro doctor,

and be a good one. The reason for Hanmann's ostracization from the medical mainstream community had a lot to do with his first ration over how patients were treated by doctors. The physicians of his day focused entirely on understanding the nature of illness. Patients were treated more as collections of symptoms than human beings, and Samuel became an advocate of a more whole person focused approach to treating patients, which he believed would yield better results. And he's not wrong.

He's not wrong. It's it's interesting because he's not he's not wrong, and that that makes for a better experience for the patient and that can have a positive impact on treating them. Um. There's also an argument to be made that like all these years of doctors just focusing on the symptoms and like basically just like trying to figure out why people were dying and then cutting them up after they died was necessary to figure out how to perform medicine more effectively, Like you kind of needed

those kind of crappy centuries. Um, so it's it's it's it's like, well, all we know about pregnant ladies and pregnancy. The Nazis did all the experimentations, Like when we went in and we're like, hey, we found those files and we're like, hey, you shouldn't have done this, but we're

gonna here. That's that's a bit of a myth. There were a couple of things that were found out by it, but yeah, they like most of the not Like, there was some useful stuff that was discovered in like the horrible experiments that were carried on concentration camps, but the vast majority of it was nonsense. Was just like injecting dies into twins eyeballs to see if it changed the

other twins eye. Like for every legitimate thing they discovered, um, there were like ten things that were like, yeah, we didn't need to even test this. We all could have told you you're not going to change one twin by shooting poison into the other. But now we know, now we know it is. It isn't they're bad guys, Yeah, yeah we are. Yeah yeah, but we found a group of us. Well do a whole Well, we'll have you here for the episode of Nazi Doctors. It's gonna be

a fun episode of the show. Good God, Sophie's gonna love it because we get to make a lot of Sophie's choice jokes. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah sure sure. So. In seventeen ninety, while working in Dresden, Hanman got up to some work translating an old manuscript about Chinchona bark also called China bark, which was known to be an effective treatment from malarial fever. Unlike most treatments at the time,

Chinchona bark absolutely did work. The leading theory as to why was that the substance was an astringent, But this reasoning didn't smell right to Hanman. He had tried out substances far more astringent than Shinchona bark on fever patients and did not have any effect. Uh. The actual reason that Jinchona bark worked on fevers is that it had quinine in it, which is like an actual medicine and of things that get people from hilaria. So like, obviously

Chinchona bark helps with malarial fever. Um. So they knew that this thing worked, and they were right that had helped with fevers. They just didn't know why the thing in it. Yeah, And and Hanman was right in that when he was like, no, no, no no, y'all's reasoning for why this works is wrong. Um. And then he tried to figure out the real reason why it worked and became even more wrong, but in a weird way. To try and figure out why Chinchona bark helped with malarial fever,

Hanman started experimenting on himself. He had a sizeable dose of the bark and noted its effect on him, as he wrote in his notes, quote, my feet, finger ends, et cetera. At first became cold, I grew languid and drowsy. Then my heart began to palpitate, and my pulse grew hard and small and tolerable. Anxiety, trembling, prostration all throughout

all my limbs. Then pulsation in the head, redness of my cheeks, thirst, and in short, all these symptoms which are ordinarily characteristic of intermittent fever made their appearance, one after the other, yet without the peculiar chili, shivering, rigor briefly even those symptoms which are of regular occurrence, and especially characteristic as the dulness of mind, the kind of rigidity, and all the limbs, but above all the numb disagreeable sensation which seems to have its seed, and the pero

steum over every bone in the body. All these made their appearance. This paroxysm lasted two or three hours each time, and recurred if I repeated this dose, not otherwise I discontinued it and was in good health. So he has like a really bad reaction to this ship kind of like a fee that's his that's his interpretation of its Like, oh, this taking this fever treatment feels like a fever to me. So Hanman was struck by a revelation as a result

of this. If this bark cured fevers but also gave him a fever when he took it while he was healthy, maybe that meant sicknesses were cured by substances that acted similarly to the illness they were treating. I can see the logic. You can see the logic in that. You can see like, it's not He's not a dumb person at this stage in medical development for being like, oh, maybe this is what's going on. Well, that's the steps you would take, I guess, just to figure stuff out.

I can see how a smart person would be like, oh, ship, I think I think I figured something out. And I think I'm saying that because that's what I would do. That's what And there's there actually is some not in his particular conclusion of it, but like vaccines essentially worked that way. He's he's wrong for the right reasons, I guess, you could say, or like he's there are some things in medicine that work, like what on men realizes here

his His main problem is that he generalizes way too much. Um, that's humans, Yeah, that's humans exactly. Yes, but again, you see, I have trouble. This guy's an imperfect person and we'll get to some of his character flaws a little later to um. But he's not a bastard. No, he's not. He's not a bastard. He's doing his best in an era where nobody knows anything about medicine. But he Yeah, and he's one of the few people raising his eyebrow

to everything, being like, I don't know. You can think y'all are wrong, and he's right, but he's wrong too. I don't know the answer. Yeah, yeah, but that idea. But he does eventually get to the point where he feels like he knows the answer. So yeah. Hanman, based on this single experiment, worked up a bold new theory of medical science, which he summarized with the now infamous line like here's like, okay, that's one of these is more facts of homeopathy to get your thing, though, and

you do need something catching. It's like, uh, in order to beat Donald Trump, a dottering ill old man, we need another daughtering ill old man whose eye fills with blood at random intervals. I don't think we need that one. Nope, that's what's gonna happen. Billy, Wayne fucking hope, you're so wrong. We've all decided glad you gave me that knife. I

think that that is well, no, I hope not. But if you travel at all, like damn it like like here's like it's like when we when when when Mitt Romney and uh, a violent Christian extremist ran for president, the only person to beat them was Barack Obama, who was essentially uh not Mit Romney. Jesus, I sucked this up entirely. M hmm. I I don't know. It's it's like how Barack Obama and John McCain are the same person. Yeah, see, it doesn't make any sense. Just this didn't work at

all for a woman, Okay, continue a woman. That's not like caring like Sophie. That's that's love caring. Like that's not homeopathy kind of homeopathy. Yeah. So, Handman's basic idea was that medicines treated illness by causing similar symptoms and the patient. And thus when you had when you dose someone with something that made them sick and they were already sick, the two sick because his was canceled each

other out. Now you may recognize this as the same medical reasoning and that one episode where Mr Burns goes to the doctor and they realized that he has all of the diseases. Guy, your illnesses are perfect balance. That's that's literally Hanman's like like revelation as a result of making himself sick on Cinchona Bark, Oh yeah, you just kill it. It's like his thing is like you faught fire with fire. It's kind of like that the problem

came to him and you're on fire. He was like, just give him some more him a little bit more fire, that's going to give him. I mean that is kind of hedy with wildfires, but not in the same way. But not humans. But not a human fire. I do understand. You do understand how that works. It's kind of like the vaccine versus Yeah. Yeah, no, it is a vaccine for fire's Yes, a little bit of fire. I'll cure this fire. Yeah, we control it before it does it itself. Yeah,

that's that's problem with over generalizing. Yeah it is. Yeah, because I did try to stop a kitchen fire once by just lighting other parts of the kitchen on fire and that did not work. That doesn't work. That doesn't work. Or put um water on a grease fire. Do you know that? Nope, But if you put grease on a water fire that, if you've got water on fire, then you are you are the city of Cleveland. Yes, yes,

you are. You guys cat your river. Every time I make fun of Cleveland for the river being on fire that like five times that it caught on fire, they point out how clean it is today, and I'm like, I'm sorry, Yeah, because all the stuff burned up is the poison burned death the river us. He cleaned it. I'm never gonna let Cleveland live that one down. They don't care. They don't care, they don't They've been drunk the whole time. I love Cleveland. It's fun. You can

mess anything up. They don't notice. She got mad. Sophie's is a Cleveland stand No. I was just thinking about the only thing that they got mad at Boz when Lebron loved well, I'd be mad about that too. That's the only thing they have. Yeah, well he left, he's ours now, Well he's no one's beautiful. Lebron James belongs to the world. He has a precious Jim. He was a precious, is a precious Jim, possibly one of the people least fit for this podcast. Yeah, he's so nice.

Every move he makes is great. Yeah, he's he's a class act. He's Shack unlike Shack. No, he's like Shack. Oh he's like Shack. Yeah. I like Shack. I like Shack too. Shack's great. Shack is right, Dion, Chack is great. But I mean he's definitely not as nice of a person as Lebron James. I feel like now we're just now we're just splitting very large, tall hairs. I don't want to like continue with you continue the podcast. You

do host? I do? I do host a podcast. So the logic of Hanman's idea that like cures like was reinforced a few years later when Dr Edward Jenner invented the first smallpox vaccine. This worked by, you know, essentially introducing a small sample of the disease into a patient

to immunize them. Now, today we know that what Jenner did with his vaccine is very different than what Hanman proposed, but at the time, giving the information available, you could be forgiven for taking Jenner's breakthrough is more evidence that Hanman was on the right track. Mademan insufferable. He definitely was. That happens after this point. Ah, he's been telling you all. I figured it out. Who told you? Clearly? This is

the same thing. Damn it. Electrified by his study, Samuel will Hanman began a series of experiments to develop what he will eve would be a whole new and much more valid school of medicine, since the underlying theory behind it all was that light cures like he called his new system homeopathy. On his first book on the subject, he wrote, to obtain a quick and lasting cure, choose for every attack or illness a substance that which can produce a similar malady to the one it is to cure.

Modern day homeopaths still cite this experiment as one of the greatest developments in the history of mankind. One modern text book claims Chinchona bark was to Hanman what the falling apple was to Newton and the swinging lamp to Galileo. Hanman launched next into a series of bold experiments, both on himself and on his children, his wife, and his students.

In his first book, Fragmented Deirebus, he asserted that he had experienced a hundred and twenty two different symptoms from ingesting chinchona bark, which suggested, uh it must have a wide ranging medical application. Likewise, Samuel had listed a hundred and seventy four known symptoms with the consumption of green peppers. Um so I deal with health problems by it and

peppers hundred and seventy four them. Although you know this is obviously not real medicine, but it also seems pretty harmless, like eating eating green peppers isn't going to cure anything, but it's not gonna make you worse. Unfortunately, the very logic of light cures like led Hanman inevitably towards experiments with literal poisons. Martin Gumper, one of his biographers, wrote, day after day he tested medicines on himself and others.

He collected histories of cases of poisoning. His purpose was to establish a physiological doctrine of medical remedies free from all suppositions, based solely on experiments. Hanman sent his children into the fields to collect hinbane, sumach and deadly nightshade. They grew up like young priests of the Esclepion of costs they felt the leaves, blossoms and tubers with small

but expert hands. Everyone was obliged to join in the work, for there was no other way to succeed in his titanic plan of rescuing the wealth of natural remedies from the quagmire of textbooks and displaying it in the bright light of experience. The family huddled together, and every free moment of every one of them, from the oldest to the youngest, was made of for the testing of medicines and the gathering of the most precise information on their observed effects. So he sends his kids out in the

field to grab poison and take it. So that's good. That's how your kids. There are his kids, He owns them. That's his He's a doctor. He's a doctor. It was an exciting time for Hanman and his family. Unfortunately, which ones are going to die. It was not an exciting time for many of his patients. Uh. And I'm gonna quote now from the A. C. S. H is right up on homeopathy, having a masked, voluminous pseudo knowledge by pairing many specific vile substances, in particular diseases who symptoms

most resembled the effects he attributed to those substances. Hanman set up shop as the original homeopath. He would begin his consultations by putting wearisomely. Numerous questions to the patient their applies would contribute to his building a picture of the patient's condition, a picture based exclusively on these replies,

the patient's appearance, and Hanman's supposedly God given intuition. For example, if the patient had a gray pallor, was sweating profusely, and said that he or she suffered from abdominal cramps, Hanman would in effect look up gray pallors, sweating, and abdominal cramps. In his tome, used cross references to narrow down possible remedies, and us decide that strict nine, a toxic alkaloid, was the I don't care for the patient's condition, and it'll make it stop. It will make it, it

will it will stop a lot. Yes, it'll make it stop. Strict nine causes sweating and horrific cramps itself, so it seemed like a logical treatment for a patient exhibiting those same symptoms. Unfortunately, giving literal poison to sick people is likelier to kill them than cure them. That's that was okay, good, that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure you were going to say that. Yeah, that's where this is heading. He kills a lot of people because of the poisons.

Because of the poisons, it turns out that's bad. Is his defense. The you have to let me fail. If I have succeeded in curing one patient, it's only because I failed on nine. It's a numbers game. You kill a hundred percent of the patients you don't treat. That is That's what Wayne Gretzky said, Doctor Reverend Dr Wayne Gretzky. That's his famous ah my headphones fell off. That can only mean it's time for an ad plug. Billy waye okay, before before, before we do the ad plug. You want

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a sound effect for a time machine. It sounds like sounded like cockroaches performing oral sex. Yeah, it wasn't. It was like no terrible, speaking of terrible. Uh. Samuel Hahnman's practice of giving poison to sick people uh worked out terribly uh and killed a huge number of them. Quote. For stomach pains. He regularly prescribed quart aouns doses of mercury. He instructed one, so much mercury. That's like, that's like twenty thermometers worth of mercury, and that's going to hurt you.

That is not going to help, not coming back. He instructed one poor soul to take half an ounce of sulfuric acid in the morning, another half ounce later that day. I do not think they made it to the second. If you get to the end of the day, take a little more, take a little bar. If you make it. You can just imagine that person making it through and then just being like, all right, you gotta taken I

don't I don't want to do it again. That second dose just falls right out through the whole made it through. Oh God. Yeah. A purported healing system that Hanman asserted God had revealed to him was having devilish effects on his patients who were dropping like flies. Them with a big pad of paper and just one Nope, no, that one. No, it's not the solution. Not nope. And I'm guessing it was like for heartburn or something. It's like, oh, your

heart's burning. Huh. I think I know what'll deal with this. Burn your heart back. You want to burn your heart back into alignment. To drink some fucking acid drink? Oh boy? Yeah? So you know, was it bubbling? That's the carbonation some doctors might have you know, realized from all of these dead people, uh, that this theory of like curing like maybe was not as universally applicable as Hanman thought. But

Samuel Hanman did not make that decision. Instead, he decided that his theory just needed a little bit of alteration. M you know, you don't need you don't want to, You don't want to scrap a whole medical theory just because you burn a couple of people to death with acid. Yeah, he has looked up in his his healing poal was a lot smaller than the dead body pie. And that I mean that does mean you need to rejigger some things. Yeah, math's wrong. The math's not right. We're going out here now.

To adjust his theory, Hanman turned back to his Masonic and occult roots. He added a new stage to the treatment. Instead of just dosing his patients with fatal poisons and watching them die horribly, he began deluding said poisons to a ridiculous extent. He'd start by adding ninety nine drops of alcohol to one drop of the actual substance, and then he would shake the mixture to potentialize it and activate its magical power. Potentialize potentialize that they still do that.

You gotta shake this ship. Obviously, you don't shake. It doesn't work. It's like one of those it's like one of those uh five hour energies. Yeah, you gotta shake it, gotta shake it. He would then delude it further, adding drops of water to one drop of this one C mixture, and that would create a two C mixture, and so on down the line, until essentially nothing was left of the original substance. Of course, this was placebo. It's just

a placebo. But to Hanman, he saw this instantly have a massive positive effect about his patients, because it's way better to give someone water than strict nine. Yes, yes, I didn't go to I mean allegedly, I don't know for a fact, but that's doing the medical school. I'm not a doctor, but I think was suggested that to me. Yeah, I think if you drink water, it'll make you feel better. Aren't you both red doctors? We haven't. We haven't gone

to Haiti to bleach people. This is the bleach part that, yeah, understand, But I want that sweet, sweet, I want that title you take. Uh, just what if we make our own program? How do we become accredited to give people fake medical degrees? This is American? We're just like, Oh, I don't think it's probably as hard as we think it is. Yeah, we got to find someone who owns a small college

and then give us an honorary doctorate. You know who's let's talk to Uh oh, what's his Liberty They're in trouble, right, Liberty University. We just did an episode of I bet we could get that. Yeah, they need some help right now, they need some help right now. Let's get in bed with the fallwells. Yeah, what could go wrong? No, well, we'll get in the pool with the follow Oh yeah, have you seen that stuff about the trainers? Yeah? Boy, yeah, what what does his name? Want one? It's so, I'm

proudest of him. He did well, he did he did very well. Every movie made. I was a boy. There's a good solid man now. Uh so, obviously, Hanman starts deluding his literal poison, and he notices massive improvements and his surviving patients um dehydrated anymore. Yeah, it's great. Nor are my insides liquefying? It's now to Hanman, this proved he was on the right track. He added the aphorism less is more to like cures like, and together these

two facts laid the cornerstone of homeopathic medicine. Yep, Hanman's diaries. If his less is more period included much alchemic and astrologic symbol I'm sorry I'm quoting here from uh that that right up? They all understand marketing. Oh yeah, yeah to it like a degree that most people. I wonder with Hanman though, I wonder if he's just this is just kind of how science works when you know less,

everyone's dying from everyone's treatments because they're all bad. Like we we laugh about him giving someone a quarter ounce of mercury because that's debt terrible, but also like normal doctors who weren't homeopaths, we're also giving people and we know that you don't do that because of them. Yeah, there is that. Yeah, So I think it's very possible that Hanman is just he's making some clearly some logical failures and being like, now when I deluded it, they

got better. That means deluding it makes the medicine stronger, or it's like no, no that's not that's not quite it. The stuff is killing them and you're giving them less stuff. You just stopped poisoning them. He's like, or or what less is more? Yeah? Or the saying yeah, so he he started, you know, spending his nights shaking and mixing and cooking up all sorts of magical cures for people. Um and over time, Hanman grew to delude his medicines

more and more. In seventeen nine, while he was based in a small town called Konnig Saluter, an outbreak of scarlet fever hit the community. Hanman thought the symptoms of the disease headaches and wide open eyelids with a dull, staring look, were similar the effects he'd observed on his friends and family when he dosed them with atropine. To see what would happen. Following the theory of like curing like, he dosed patients with atropine. Thankfully, it was an extremely

deluded one thirty two solution. Uh so you know what, it was, basically water. I'm gonna quote from the University of Washington here. The reason for deluding the drug was Hanman's awareness that drugs were often responsible for aggregating existing diseases or introducing new ones with contemporary dosages. Still believing he was observing drug effects, he gradually gave his pure

drugs and greater delusions. Hanman rationalized this action by speculating that an illness the body was enormously more sensitive to drugs than in health. He's making a lot of logical leaps here, it's interest. Yeah. And here's the question. Is he also dosing himself? Yes, so he's just getting madder and madder. Yeah, I I I do suspect that's having an impact because he gave himself a lot of poisons. Yeah, I'm sure kids affect the mind. You don't hear much

about his kids. Well, well, all that mercury. Yeah. Now, he continued his tactic of deluding his medication until things reach their current point of homeopathic absurdity. A modern homeopathic treatment for the common cold would be a six C solution of onion, white onion, because when you cut an onion, your nose gets all stuffed up like it does when you have a cold. Man. Yeah. Now, if you're wondering how much actual onion is in a six C delution, well I'm gonna quote from the A C s h

is right up again. A six C onion concentration would result if one filled whimbley stadium to the roof with water and added one drop of an onion mother tincture. A twelve C onion concentration and a homeopathic pill is equivalent to that which would result of one added a single drop of onion mother tincture to a body of water the size of the Atlantic Ocean. So he's just he's just giving them water. Kind of depends on how are you doing this. It's like an onion version of lacroix. Yeah,

it's like more concentrated or more diluted. Lacroixis a lot stronger than homeopath. Is someone in the next stroom cutting onions, Like, no, that's the medicine. That's the medicine. But we did make it by having someone in the next room cut onions and we took the smell of it and sprinkled it on the water. They're actually getting into what is the problem one of the modern problems with homeopathic medicine, But that's gonna wait until part two. They don't always delude

it so much. Now. The ironic thing about all this is that Hanman's nonsense medicine actually saved a huge number of lives during this period of time. This is not because his cure has worked, but it is because real doctors in this period we're prescribing people poison. Most sicknesses suffered by most people get better on their own after enough time, if you just don't give people deadly poisons.

So Hanman's patients would start taking his nonsense water, they would heal of their body's own accord, and they would avoid going to a regular doctor who would have probably tried to drill a hole in their brain to let the ghosts out. In this way, completely by accident, Samuel Hahnman did succeed in advancing the frontiers of medical science in a major way. I want to quote from the nineteen sixty three book The March of Medicine. However we

may judge Hanman's theory, one thing must be admitted. It led to a decisive change in medical thought. Clear Headed doctors realized that a minimum dose of an ineffectual substance such as homeopaths used, was tantamount to giving no treatment. If the sick recovered all the same, and this could not be disputed, it must be a matter of self healing. Homeopathic treatment, in other words, no treatment was often far better. So basically doctors start realizing, like, Okay, this guy has

given people nothing. We know that. We know that like his because we knew math, like you know Avogadro's number and Shi at this point, we know this is just water and his patients are doing better than ours. Maybe we suck. Maybe we're bad at this, and we need to really fundamentally change how we do medicine. And Hanman was a big part of that realization. That's really nice. Yeah, and then it's also like you think there's a period. Really maybe if we send our patients to the ghost

we let out of their brain, that would help. Yeah, that they try, we're doing. They send a lot of patients to the ghosts that they let out of their brain to it just seems like probably a step they went through. Yeah, it wasn't an even march of progress. That dude was the doctor and we let that ghost out of his brain. Let's see what the doctor ghost now, and he didn't give them poison. So the ghost doctor

was a better doctor than the actual doctors. Yeah, the ghost doctor would absolutely be a better I would rather go to a ghost doctor in this period than Hanman or a regular doctor. The more and more I come to these more and more I realized like, oh, it makes sense, we've destroyed this planet. Yeah, we're not We're not a smart species. Yeah, it's crazy. It took us this more. Yeah. No, we've really made a lot of progress. For as dumb as we are. It's kind of inspiring

when you think about it that way. We're doing all right well. Real doctors took the apparent success of Hanman's methods as a reason to revise their tactics. Samuel himself continue to plow forward and develop his treatments into a wide ranging belief system. Homeopathy was immediately popular with patients for obvious reasons. Um from a report in the Anctional Institutes of Health quote, the differences between orthodox medicine and

homeopathy could hardly be more vivid. From its beginning, homeopathy always began with a long consultation lasting at least an hour, in which all aspects of the patient's illness and life were discussed. Homeopaths like to stress that they practice holistic

medicine and the appropriate treatment chosen. In contrast, during the first half of the nineteenth century, when homeopathy was becoming established, orthodox medicine was immersed in the belief that advances and understanding disease could only come from a detailed correlation of symptoms and signs of the sick patient. On the ward

and the findings that autopsy clinical pathological correlation. So these orthodox tactics did lead to eventually a greater understanding of health and illness um, but it also meant in the immediate term that doctors are basically often we're just gonna wait till you die and cut you open and then and then we'll be better in the future, which patients

aren't big fans of. No, they like a doctor who treats you as a person and not as just like waiting to cut into your corpse and be like, you took your car in a mechanic and he's like, ah, I could, but I'm not going to ye. But when it quits running, bring it to me. When your brakes fail on the highway, I'll cut your car open afterwards, and yeah, I'll tell you which why the bricks didn't work, Okay,

exactly what they didn't work. Yeah. So Hanman showed no interest in detailed pathology, uh, none in conventional diagnosis and treatment. He was only interested in the principles of homeopathic medicine, which he used to name the illness. Classic Homeopathy was therefore seen by its supporters as an attractively safe symptom, simple, easy to understand, and centered on the patient as a whole and not on pathological lesions. By eighteen o one, Hanman had moved on yet again, back to a town

near Leipzig. His notebooks revealed the kind of problems most of his patients came to him with insomnia, headaches, dizziness, constipation, lack of appetite, backaches, menopause, menstruation. In other words, all things that tended to resolve themselves. Life. Yeah, life. But Samuel Hanman watched his patients improve after giving them water, and he grew convinced that he had solved the problem

of sickness for all time. His fellow doctors were less than convinced, and they were particularly frustrated with the fact that high society, the aristocracy, and the very wealthy increasingly embraced homeopathy over orthodox medicine. By eighteen o five, he was widely recognized as a physician of note. In eighteen ten, he published the organ On of Rational Healing, which would

be published in five editions during his lifetime. Leipzig University, his alma mater, hired him to give lectures from eighteen twelve to eighteen twenty one, he taught six month courses on the principles of homeopathy. Curious young minds from all over Europe flocked to Hanman's classroom to learn from the master.

By this point, he'd grown utterly convinced of his own brilliance, to the point where he told one group of students, he who does not walk on exactly the same line with me, who diverges if would be but the breath of a straw to the right of the left is an apples state and a traitor. And with him, I have nothing to do. Oh goody good. He doesn't get more better in his old age, No, yeah, yeah, it's it's this is kind of where he gets to be

a little bit more problematic. Everyone's telling him how great is yeah yeah, And you know, in fairness to him, compared to the poison, doctors held goods, not given people poison is a good move as a doctor. I wish I had been a doctor, that it would have been so much easier. Yeah, machettison could have really taken off that a just cut off a digit, Just cut off a finger. Oh he's trying to give you acid. I'm just gonna cut your finger. Just give me Which finger

do you hate? Yeah, you have, We all have one. We love. Everybody's got an evil finger. Which finger? That's the core of machettison? God, all right, it's time for ads, Sophie. Sophie is saying it's time for ads. If you like cutting your finger off, try these products service. We're back.

You tried, though, Billy in one. At age sixty six, Samuel Hanman was granted unlimited privileges by a nearby duchess, allowing him to live in luxury while he took a partial retirement to the develop his theories six and held a long fucking life. That means it's old now. Yeah, he lives forever essentially. Yeah uh. He continued to be the center of the homeopathic field, directing the establishment of a homeopathic journal and watching his new homeopathic schools were

established by his former students. While homeopathy spread over the continent. Samuel Hanman continued to work until in eight he presented his greatest discovery since his first breakthrough. The father of homeopathy had finally found the root of all chronic illnesses. No, the itch really, yeah, he decided it was scabies. That's not that's I can tell you from experience that's not the it's not the root of illness, and stayed in

some shady hotels and stuff. Yeah now, Hanman termed it sora and claimed that scabies basically acted as the soil from which all diseases sprung. Modern homeopaths are very much divided on whether or not this last great theory of Hanman's was a misstep or the key to a proper homeopathic treatment. Actual doctors recognized that scaby is to actually caused by tiny microsoftic mites and has nothing to do with same multiple sclerosis after chro. But I'm sure during

that time it was a huge problem. Scabies is everywhere, everywhere. Everybody's got scabies. Who comes in with something else wrong must be the scabies causn't it. It's like people that that do hardcore drugs always also smoke pot. Yeah, that's the same, exactly that logic. Yes, yeah, got you now. Uh. In eighteen thirty five, Hunman married a thirty five year old French socialite. She'd originally been one of his patients. Year old. I mean even the old horny dudes existed,

old horny dudes, and he is apparently great at it. Uh. Yeah, she'd originally been one of his patients, which I'm sure presented no ethical dilemma. His family, particularly his surviving children, were horrified when they now very elderly scientist left for France with his young new wife. Oddly enough, that year eighteen thirty five was also the your homeopathy faced its first effective rebuttal, using what we would recognize today as

actual science. But he didn't like that. You know, I don't even know what he thought about it, because it's not like there weren't like online journals and stuff that's happened far away from him. I don't know. He was busy, he was he was busy. Oh you guys got a problem with I don't care. I'll make sure you ain't. Got no escaping. French homeopathy had taken off among the great and good in the Kingdom of Bavaria. In Nuremberg, to homeopathic doctors did a brisk business treating the nobility

with nonsense water. This irritated a fellow named Friedrich Wilhelm von Hoven, the city's chief public health official and the head of the hospitals. He wrote a critique of homeopathy under a pseudonym. According to the n I h quote. Von Hoven accused homeopathy of lacking any scientific foundation. He suggested that homeopathic drugs were not real medicines at all. An alleged homeopathic cures were either due to dietetic regimes and the healing powers of nature, or showed the power

of belief. He called for an objective comparative assessment by impartial experts. If, as he aspected, homeopathic treatment proved ineffective, the government would need to take drastic measures to protect the lives of deceived patients. A little bit of both. In between. It seems like everyone is very reactionary to the I mean, nothing's changed that not humans are, but they can't. They have a hard time going in between. It's interesting, it is interesting. It's it's a common problem

with people. UM. Johan Jacob Reuter, Nuremberg's homeopathic doctor UH, defended his discipline by claiming that even children, lunatics, and animals had been cured by homeopathic solutions. He challenged von Hoven to try something comparisons like the children, lunatics, and animals and animals the three kinds of people you know. Uh. He challenged von Hoven to try some homeopathic medicine a thirty C dilution of salt and see if he didn't

feel something. This test or challenge sparked dozens of physicians and pharmacists in Nuremberg to take him up on his offer and now on some sweet yeah, now, now I kind of want some joblins. Uh. So suddenly all these physitions started doing tests on themselves with deluted salt water, and eventually they hit upon the idea of conducting a single large scale test and Clint instead of all doing

individual tests. Quote. Following a widely publicized invitation to anyone who was interested, more than a hundred twenty citizens met in a local tavern. The minimum numbers needed to proceed had been fixed at fifty. The design of the proposed trial was explained to detail in front of everyone. A hundred vials were numbered, thoroughly shuffled, and then split up

into random into two lots of fifty. One lot was filled with distilled snow water, the other with ordinary salt and a homeopathic C thirty dilution of distilled snow water prepared just as Reuter had demanded. A grain of salt was dissolved and a hundred drops that distilled snow water and the resulting solution was deluted twenty nine times at a ratio of one to one hundred. So this is like a double line experiment. You get your control, you get your your your test group um and a list

was made of which subjects had received which substances. The subjects themselves were kept in the dark about what they'd received. So this is believed to be the first double blind study conducted in the history of medicine. This is what it's done to try and see if homeopathy worked. Like Hanman advanced the frontiers of medical science more than almost any other single person, completely by accident. Yeah, completely by accident. It's kind of cool, but contrarian being like I think

I don't think this is right. Yeah, I think I'm the only one who knows anything. And well that's what I was gonna say too. Is like a lot of it seems like a lot even to this day. Arrogance. Yeah, takes us away farther and helps us in some degree, But we heard ourselves pretty hard till we get there.

There's a lot of Ye. There's actually a lot of interesting writings on the evolution of over confidence and like why over confidence occurs in species and stuff, and like how if you're if you've got two species, two different animals competing over resource, and one of them believes irrationally that it will win any fight, and so it always

tries to grab the thing. Like, sometimes it will get in fights, and sometimes it will lose those fights, but more often than not, the less confident thing would just be like, I don't want to I don't want to fight with you. But the dog that goes for the treat first gets the treat most often, or yeah, whoever throws the first punch. And with human beings, that means sometimes we build arsenals of nuclear weapons capable of annihilating

all life on Earth and hand them to dottering old men. Uh. And it also means sometimes we look up at the moon and go, yeah, I bet we could fling a guy into that. Let's go up there, let's figure that ship out. Yeah we can do it. Fuck it. I mean, if my car goes this fan, that's just a bigger gas tank. Yeah that's that. That happened in Huntsville, Alabama. That's where that's where they build those rocks. Yeah, so keep making fun of the South. Yeah, we fucking landed

on the goddamn moon. That's where all the ness shit is because nobody else is that fucking crazy. No, well that's a lot of it too. Yeah, is there a lot of rednecks going like, but I know how to do this. I can get us up there. That's really like the core history, and that's why, like all the great test pilots come from like Ohio or something like flat boring places where it's like, oh, yeah, I've been rolling around in a car trying to get myself killed

for years. Might as well do it for science. Yeah, and I can fly alright, fuck, yeah, I'll be the first one. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, I'll go on board this. You're any Chuck Yeager, he's still very, very very confident in old age. We're like, well, god, how cocky was he when he was little? How could you not be being Chuck Yeager? Though? I think you accomplished a couple of things, and then you're just like, oh, I can do anything I want. And who's that Chuck Air?

Oh yeah, go ahead, bigarette, just let him. Yeah you can smoke in the majorney Ward. So obviously the double blind this first double blind study showed that it didn't the homeopathic medicine didn't do anything. So the first blind study worked. Yeah, it worked. Uh so Yeah, in eighteen thirty five, a bunch of dudes at a bar succeeded improving homeopathy was nonsense. But as I've said a number of times on this show, proof has never convinced anyone

of anything. Yeah, homeopathy is the oldest European example of what we now call c a M or complimentary and alternative medicine. That's a nice term used by professionals today to avoid hurting the feelings of people who truly believe crystals are going to heal their arthritis. The whole reason a field of fundamentally unscientific ideas is treated this way traces back to Samuel Hahnman. Before his rise to prominence, medicine outside the mainstream without data behind it was just

called quackery. Going to quote next from an article in the Royal Society of Medicine. Most of these pre eighteen fifty quacks tend to specialize. Some were bone setters, Others claim to cure of anereal disease without the use of mercury. A doctor Taylor of Beverly and Gloucester arranged to attend regularly at three public houses, to which patients only had to send in their urine, and he would tell at

once whether they were curable or not. There were self siled Oculus, who is specialized in the treatment of cataract and curious of cancer without operation. One of the latter, calling himself the High German Doctor Simon, invited you to visit his house and see for yourself answer of the armpit of five pieces of twelve and one half ounces

weight which he claimed to have removed. Most of these regulars were uneducated or even illiterate, and only a minority were full time healers, usually at regular jobs such as blacksmith, ferrier, grocer, butcher, cheesemonger, cobbler,

cutter or mechanic. They often claimed patronage of the Great and Good Dr Scott's Billius and liver pills were used by the Dukes of Devonshire, Northumberland and Wellington, Anglesey and Hastings, and the Earls of Pembrooke, Essex and Oxford, while Dr Lampert at thirty six High Street, Boro, London, claimed to

visit the world to do. In the West Indies, the Isles of Scilly London, Nottingham, Derby, Norwich, Lincoln, Boston, Gloucester, wolfer Hampton, Litchfield, a bunch of British names, and forbidden measure almost every other town in the Kingdom. These are regulars had one thing in common. They had little if any interest in understanding of orthodox medicine in their time. I got time for fancy book learning. I'm doing magic

and it's not always bad. Like the doctors who are like, oh, we can cure your VD without using mercury, Like they could hear people's STDs, but they weren't making it worse with mercury. You know that, you know what sucks worse than mercury. Yeah, And we're like, oh God, he would put mercy in your hole. Don't do that. Just yeah. So things changed in the early nineteenth century, largely as a result of Samuel's work. Homeopathy gave quacks an ideology

and a school of medicine to stand alongside. While old fashioned quacks would rarely visit the same town twice because they were fundamentally frauds, homeopaths would continue to practice in the same area for years, even decades. People at the time recognize this change. Quote an orthodox practitioner remarked the old fashioned quack with his farrago of receipts, who seldom visited the same neighborhood, but at very long intervals in order to avoid recognition. This class a practitioner is fast

coming to a close. It was being replaced by literate and educated empirics who read books. This remark signal the emergence of a new form of unorthodox medicine, which formed the basis of what is today called complimentary alternative medicine. This is where we get gooped from. You know, it used to be you were like a fringe medical person. You wouldn't you wouldn't stick around in town. You'd sell your snake on and get out. Because of Hanuman, these

people established themselves. Is like no, no no, no, We're going to like set up offices and try to do like we see ourselves as legitimate practitioners and that is all really humans need is like a different subconsciously, we're like, it's like the marijuana doctor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like the marijuana doctors. Samuel Hanman and his wife lived out

there last year's as popular socialites in France. The only hiccup in his golden ears came when his wife was charged for practicing medicine without a license, but this does not seem to have led to a significant penalty. He died a millionaire in eighteen forty three at the age of eighty nine, So good life for him. God, Yes, yeah, that's a long ass way to live, because he drank all that water, stay and hydrated. He was rated, extremely hydrated,

the most hydrated man in this eighteen hundreds. Now. Hanman went to his grave believing that his decision to dose himself with china bark was a moment for human science on par with Newton being hit by an apple, and in some ways that is true. His violent reaction to quinine has forever altered the progress of medical science. Over the years, several medical professionals have tried, unsuccessfully to recreate

his findings. One doctor who did so, representing the Board of Health, wrote, Chinchona, even in the preparation advocated by Hanman, did not cause fever in either healthy people or animals. This is a little weird, right. No one has ever been able to recreate the effects of Hanman's first groundbreaking experiment. But during my research I did come across one fascinating theory that might just explain this mystery. And Kiason on

how homeopathy was really started. I've found an article by Dr William me Thomas, a Melbourne based physician and medical historian. He notes that quinine, the active ingredient in chinchona, is only toxic and higher doses than Hanman took. However, there are some people who are allergic to quina and the

symptoms are startlingly similar to what Hanman himself reported. It can be concluded then that Hanman might have suffered from an allergy to quinine, which means that the fundamental foundation of homeopathy, like the idea that like cures like, is based on the fact that Dr Hanman had a rare allergic reaction to quinine when he took this bark, which is just the most human yeah element of this whole thing. Yeah,

it's it's it's very understandable. Yeah wow. Now, Billy Wayne side of of of who he's led in the Pandora's box, that is what part two is going to be excited about.

Who comes in here because Samuel Hanman an imperfect person you can criticize in some ways, not really a bastard, No, not really a bastard, just just a dude who made some logical leaps that were not justified by the actual evidence, but that are understandable in the context at the time, and then really just kind of took some uh confirmation bias after that, a lot of confirmation bias, young French wife. You know that's distracting. Yep, then it would be very distracted.

In part two, we are going to talk about some of the actual bastards, the horrible harvest in corpses that is Samuel Henman's modern day legacy, So a lot of dead babies. In part two, of course, there is yeah, yeah, Now, Billy Wayne, I feel like the right way to break up this game of tennis we're gonna play. I think we should go to five total points, and I think we should do the first two points at the end of this episode, and we will have the last three,

assuming there's any pieces of this VHS state left. Yes, thank you, Sophie. So if he knows that when you grab a machette, you do it by the blade, that is, don't hurt Anderson. Please all right, Sophie, are you ready to ref Yeah? Okay, I thought it was Oh, I'm gonna serve first. Okay, Now, I don't know how to play tennis. I don't think. I don't think this is how to play tennis. Let's see, all right, I do know one thing, which is that I was supposed to

say zero serving zero, Right, that's how it starts. Right, No, it's isn't it? Love? Love is no? Love is zero? Isn't it? It's it's it's I don't find I'm gonna throw the copy of basic instinct Well, I'm gonna try to hit it at you, hit it, hit it back, all right, all right, all right, just get out of the way. I think what does that count as? I think that was a point? Hit the back, all right, Oh all right, it's it's one one. Your's this guy? I'm not good? Alright, alright, yeah, oh yeah, that was

a good one. That was. It's holding up pretty well. You gotta give a credit. Alright, mm hmm, all right, it's it's too too. We're tied. We're tied, and the deep the v of basic instincts holding up surprising pretty well. Let's take it out of its case. See how we're Oh no, it's been cut so much is it in there? It's now in there. Yeah. I think we actually wedged it into the paper. That's awesome. Nice job guys, Nice job Paul Barrovan, great director. Billy you want to plug

your plug doubles? Yes, b w D tour dot com slash tours all my live dates. Um, I'm coming to Atlanta, Seattle, Portland's Eugene, Cincinnati, Huntington, West Virginia, uh Birmingham, Alabama. See Billy Wayne live. Come see us a variety of bladed instruments, I'm sure, um, and continue listening to this podcast and also find it on the internet behind the Bastards dot com or at Bastards pod on Twitter and Instagram. There's also another podcast that exists by t shirts on public.

What's that podcast called? Oh, it's called the Worst Year Ever and it's about politics. Wow, that sounds so dumb dumb dum dum dum dum dum dum. Anyway, tune in on Thursday to see who wins the game of what is definitely not tennis, not tennis, not at all. No, No, Anderson's were harmed in the making of this podcast. I'd just say I can't guarantee I can How do we like this thing? No? Robert, we're not likeing on first