Part One: Robert and Cody Watch Jordan B. Peterson's New TV Show

a terrible day to day, Cody. Cody, you are the host of some More News and the co host of the podcast with a similar but not exactly the same name, um YouTube Sensation, it would be fair to say, and my absolutely and my friend of many years and Cody Deep. Are you familiar with the concept of love languages? I am. Yeah.

It's it's this idea that that people there's different people express love in different ways, and in a major part of having a healthy relations it is understanding the way that the people in your life express love and communicating to them the way that you do so that you don't misunderstand each other and you appreciate, you know, when the other person tries to share with you the way they feel. And I've I've come to recognize over the years Cody, that you and I have a particular love language.

It started a couple of years ago when you began telling me about Dr Jordan B. Peterson. Um. That all culminated in me putting together like a three hour podcast series about the life of Dr Jordan B. Peterson. And then a couple of years later you put together a three hour video about everything Jordan Peterson has ever said and done and and and I just watched that, Cody, and now I am about to sit down with you, and I am about to share, as part of my

love language, some more about Jordan B. Peterson. This is what we call romance and romance there's nothing pure. Um. So thank you. I I received. I believe I started this by saying, Cody, I love you. I'm sorry, instantly apologetic as soon as I popped off. Cody. You know Mr Peterson, doctor Mr Peterson, Um. And you know I'm sure that he has recently started a new television show, a hit new TV show. Everybody's talking about it on the Daily Wire TV show. It's it's like a show.

It's like a show. It is it has the it's a show is a great description the show for sure, like like it contains the totemic sigils that associated as being like a television show. So like if you were like the things that, like the the the representative artifacts that signify that something is a TV show are present in this thing, which is not a TV show. It's on the Daily Wire's website. Um, not even Daily Wire Plus on their website now or so, Yeah, you have

to get whatever they're streaming account. I don't know, Cody. I'm not going to tell you how I got this show. You don't need to, Okay. I understand it's called Dragons, Monsters and Men um boring. That's classic. I think there's any chance at all that like the name was picked in part because they're like, well, the new Game of Thrones, And then I think so because the introna like, so you watched the new Lord of the Ring show, Cody,

I haven't seen it yet. Um, it's pretty good. I like it, But the intro of it is very clearly doing a Game of Thrones like that that that kind of like where it's sort of a kind of abstract representation, um, using like symbols and stuff and whatever. Um, it's fine, but they're doing the same thing in Dragons monsters and

men to open the series. Yeah, well so for listeners. Uh, a screen is being shared with me, and the first frame of this show is on screen, and I instantly believe you and agree with you, and like, it's not even it's not even a letter I'm looking at. I'm looking at the shape of a part of a letter

from the intro, Like, yeah, they're doing thrones. Yeah, there's all smoky and dusty, and like, yeah, let's just let's play the start of this and you at home will hear it, and then we'll kind of describe what we're seeing after you've heard it. But I think both are valuable. Cody, I'm sorry, I love you, and starting yet, Sophie, what hey, they can't do this? Come on alright, alright, alright, let's let's pause it and talking them. Is it just him

at a chair? It's just him in a chair. But so, so, what we see that intro is like a bunch of they kind of look like stone age glyphs, a mix of like stuff that might be runic shapes. I'm not a Runes expert. Maybe their actual runs um, but runs in like a video games, you know, there's like animal glyphs, there's like an arrow that's going up like progress and then turns down, probably because the liberals started doing a

gender wokeness. Yeah, the woke run um. And then when you heard that watching and then that a bunch of fire blue on the screen, followed by the logo Dragons, Monsters and men, Dragons earlier challenges, Monsters and the Demons. You have to Slane, it's like you've spent dozens of hours watching Dr Jordan Peterson talking about his ideas. It's just like it was basic symbolism and ship. All right,

yeah it is, it is, Cody. It is kind of I think Jordan Peterson would have been a really inspirational, like sixth grade creative writing teacher. I've always thought, like, hey, man, go out write a book, not your weird books, a fiction book, and like use all your ideas and your archetypes and your symbolism and and say a story that you think should be told with all those ideas, and then maybe people will finally see the uh what you believe?

I think something different is going to happen, Cody. So the episode one is titled What Makes a Man? And once the title crawl finishes, were presented with Jordan Peterson wearing a nice fitted blue suit and sitting in a leather armchair in a library. There's a large, like hour

glass style clock that's about four ft behind him. And what's interesting to me is how all the production value and intensity they've tried to build up at the start of the s episode dissipates the instant Jordan starts talking and I'm gonna have Sophie quickplay to display that I can't. I'm sorry, I love you. There are multiple let's say, competence and authority, multiple especially in a sophisticated society, and so you're fortunate if you're good at one or two things.

Most of the ways you could be competent and generous, you're just not that good at So first of all, I would say, don't be too disheartened, especially if you're so listeners. What's just happened on screen is that obviously you can hear him talking, it's just him sitting in the chair, and after like twenty seconds, the screen splits and we watch a close up of his face next to a slightly further outshot of his face, both at the same time really off putting and disconcerting. It's because

they know, they know what they've done. It's really threw They threw god knows how much money at this guy, like millions of dollars. I probably millions of a lot of Like they're just that's why he literally said this out loud and one of his videos like, yeah, they gave me a lot of money. Uh, and more power to him go for it. But so they know they've done.

But ultimately and the Daily Wire Plus wants to be the programming like they wanted anti woke, like the TV that you don't get on HBO, which we secretly love that kind of thing. Um, And so they've throw this money at it. But ultimately what they bought was Jordan Peterson doing his lectures, which is just a guy on stage. That's it. So they have to make it seem somewhat like cinematic or exciting or visually interesting at all. And so they have two campus follow him and do a

splitz Cody, Cody, I'm gonna give you a spoiler. At a certain point, there's going to be three. Yeah, It's like I was like waiting at a certain point. They do like re enactments are like they feel like third It is never anything but Jordan Peterson on screen. Okay, here's here's here's okay, here's my slight feedback here. So he's worked very hard, Like the hair is perfectly slicked back, he's chosen you know, the coat. Why is his tie crooked?

And why is his shirt wrinkled? Two notes those were my clearly tried super hard to have this like put together image. But yet your shirt is wrinkled and your tie is crooked. What is happening? Also, what is that tie? They didn't say, I don't want to shakes and possibly the Benzo. I just gotta say it's the Benz s I wear a very crumpled suit and tie on my show. I do not own a suit or tie on purpose. But fabulous. Well, like he seems seems like the kind of guy who would be like, well, no, iron, my

shirt's before my my my big show. My nicest outfit is an open hoodie with a Bart Simpson Gulf War commemorative T shirt. I mean it's spells Saddam huss saying Huskin, He's like put a lot of effort into it. Like he's gone through the trouble of calling up Gavin Nusup and being like what Harold jail do you use and using all the hair gel and but yet crooked tie, wrinkled shirt. Just very interesting to note. Shall we continue? Roberts also, Sophie, real quick, get used to the hands.

He stop doing the little magic fingers. He loves the little magic fingers. Money as I'm sure they're spending on this, and for all the production value that existed in the first twenty eight seconds, which is going to be the most exciting thing we see today. Uh, it's I think the episodes. I don't even think there's scripts to these, Like you said, it's just like they filmed a lecture.

This isn't I've seen his lectures and they are normally like he's wrong about things, but he knows how to give a competent lecture right where he like builds to a point and yeah, there's a journeys an impact on the audience. That's why he's been successful. That's not what we're having here. There's no nothing he's building to. He is just sitting in a chair and kind of talking almost aimlessly. Um yeah, I want just listen, listen to this.

I will so my prediction. So this seems like what you're describing is uh, like you know, you've you've written a lot about him. I recently released a three hour video about him. Uh. In doing so, you have to watch a lot of YouTube videos of him. Uh. And in doing that, your algorithm gets completely fucked um. And so if you're like scrolling like YouTube shorts or something, here's like, oh, here's this fifty second clip of Jordan

Peterson on a podcast, rambling about whatever. And it seems like that's what this experience will be, just like scrolling through these like fifty second clips of him like random thought about this, I can say this about monsters and then just sort of like yeah, yeah, they just kind of sat down and let him go. And you can kind of see in the editing and then gradually how the off screen questions are kind of directing him that I think they recognized that made a mistake about ten

minutes into this. But I want to play you the next set of clips here. Sorry. What should I do? And part of the problem is the question what should I do with my life is not a very good question because it's sort of like tell me about everything. It's just too much what do you do in your life? Will you say you do many things. Okay, what are those things? Because I don't know what to do? What other people that appear to give their lives significance and meaning?

And this is bears on the issue of responsibility. Well, most people want to have or do have an intimate partner. So if you don't have split see his hands, we don't work on that by going to find the person that's right for you. It's like, who the hell are you? And what makes you think that even if you found the person that was right for you, they wouldn't take one look at you and runaway screaming I'm gonna talk

like this. I can't he just because he's he's like circling really banal advice, like he can't get in the In the roughly a minute that we played fifty seconds, the actual point he has made is that like, life includes a lot of things, and it's you shouldn't try to find someone to fall in love with, right, Like life is complicated, you gotta narrow it down your goals and like but like the point he's the broader point he's making is that like young men shouldn't seek to

find someone to complete them, they should become the person that like is you know, which is fine advice. That's good advice on yourself, right of at the same time, because also he talks like really contradictory too, because he's saying it as if like, well, why do wanna like get find so an intimate intimate partner? Uh, who's like right for you? Well, what makes you think that they're gonna like you? So, like he's talking about it in

this dismissive way where it's like, don't even try. And then he's coming back to you need to work on yourself before you do that in order to what Because ultimately what he's saying is work on yourself in order to be of value to a partner. So he's still encouraging this end goal. He's just saying like, yeah, takes some time, and do work on yourself. It's just such

a weird way to to say these things. It's it's it's pointlessly long and and after meandering for a little while longer, Peterson announces that the primary thing that young men have going for them is youth and possibility, which is what sets them apart from the olds who have money and the ability to wear nice suits. While seated in a library funded by oil and gas billionaire investments, but don't have as much energy or as much time.

Peterson makes the claim that if you're young and poor, you still have an unbelievable source of wealth because you're young, and obviously no one would change being young for being decrepit and rich. Now, this seems to ignore that an awful lot of rich people are in excellent shape and stay that way for a long time because it's very easy to eat well and seek medical care. Money. I see good, good stuff, Jordan. He's done this before about like wealth and stuff, where it's like, oh, you know,

everybody has problems. You know, it's not richer, you're richer, your poor. You know you're richer poor. You know everybody gets sick. It's like, yeah, but but how do you what do you do if you get sick? And what you do if you get sick and you're and you're rich. Like it's so it's like people looking at Kanu, who is like pushing sixty and being like, wow, he looks incredible, and I'm sure Kanu reeves. The first thing he would

say is yeah, because I have tens of millions of dollars. Yeah, exactly. It's like a video of h Rob Mac describing his how he got in shape. It's like, yeah, it's impossible. If you have unlimited money, then it's very you don't spend time with anybody and you have to do Yeah. Silly, um, very silly. Now, most of what Peterson is trying to get out here is like his normal twelve Rules for

life ship just not at all very well organized. Um. And it's certainly not yet offensive advice, although he's ignoring things in a way that is kind of offensive. But it's true that if you're young and healthy, that is worth a lot. Right, Youth and health are are very valuable things. Time is valuable, of course. Like again, yeah, it's like this thing he does where it's like what you're saying, like if you shave everything away. Yeah, it's a fine point that a lot of people make on

everywhere and art exactly. But he's houses it and it's like monsters and dragons and men. It's like, well, you're just sitting in it. He said nothing. Nothing that he said that's right, is something you couldn't find on the wall of an Airbnb in Glndale, California. Exactly. Um, yeah, exactly. And it's it's funny. But as he starts at this like very basic point that like yes, health, youth and

and health are are are valuable. But like a lot of his platitudes in this episode, it starts to spin out like tires losing traction and muney and it's very funny to listen to. So I'm gonna have you play this next clip. Are you good at anything? And if fancier that is, no, Well how about you start practicing being good at something? Pick one thing? Well? What well, not nothing? Pick something? Maybe it's a video game? Surely sage advice. Dr Peterson talk like a guy who's ever

talked to a person before. This is also and I have to say this is and I'll probably have to point this out every thirty seconds. This is something he says all the time in every interview he's ever been in being asked about advice for people. Uh this like pick something and do it. I've heard it different times in ninety different interviews in ninety different like Alpha Brain Academy clip on YouTube. Why did they give this guy so much money for this show? Yes, acquiring skills is

useful in life. It's just like yeah. So he goes on to say that getting good at anything helps you learn how to get good at other things, which is true, but not in a way that really means anything, Like if you get good at a video game, which he actually suggests here, that probably won't actually help you get good at endurance running, even though you could like boil it down and be like, we'll both require you to do something over and over again until you get better

at it. But like playing video games is pleasurable and physically not difficult on your body, whereas distance running is really difficult on your body and makes you uncomfortable for extended periods of time. And so the fact that you got good at a video game probably won't help you with your endurance running. Not that there aren't people who are good at both, but the fact that like skills are not universally applicant, right one doesn't necessarily lead to

the other. And like running, you know, running might make you better at a video game because like exercise, like is good for your brain and like your focus and attention and things, and that's what you need when you play a video game. If you play a video game, it might help you with like pattern recognition and certain things like that. Um, But like you can't just like pick two things and say do this and you'll get

better at the other. It's yeah, it's also like I think there's actually a fundamental flaw in the logic that like learning how to get good at one thing means you'll get good at other things. Because it's a general rule the things that people get best at first do the things that they're like inclined towards because of basic interest, and an awful lot of actual success is getting good

at things that you're not inclined to. But you need to build up some level of competence and because like a lot of life is just kind of unpleasant, um, and got to do things you don't like and get good at them so you can do them well and get them over with Exactly, Like if if you love basketball, um, and you hate numbers, the fact that the skills that made you good at basketball might not make you good at paying your taxes, which is why people who become

professional sports players generally higher professional accountants. Right yea, um, but whatever, anyway, continue Jordan Peterson. So the next thing he goes into is he talks about how he when he was a young man, the thing that he became good at first was washing dishes um, which I don't know that he actually did this, but he's claiming this because it makes him seem like a man of the people he has. I am not certain he ever did this job, but a lot of people do. So let's

just hear him out. And so what else do you have to do to be a good dishwasher? Learn the techniques, stay on stay on your toes, Volunteer to work when other people don't show up, um, show an interest in learning to cook, get along with the waitresses, maybe, get along with the customers, act like an adult, and all of that's excellent practice for all sorts of things you're gonna do later. Now, this is Cody. Do you know why, however?

Why I have you known a lot of people who did dishwashing specifically, not just like their job included dishwashing, but like people who's who's like I've worked in restaurants and like I've I've done dishwashing, and I've known many dishwashers at the jobs going back, Is it not? Would you say generally accepted as good advice that you keep the dishwashers the funk away from the customers. Oh, yeah,

I mean we don't need that. But also you keep the dishwashers happy and like you like, it's just it's like chefs. You don't want the chef. You can talk to the you go in the room, you get sweaty, you turn on your music. Whatever. It is a lot of cocaine in the bathroom, like it's fine. Um, I don't know. It's also like it's like not like it depends on the restaurant too, you know. Yeah, there there's like like very friendly like customer relations between like workers

and customers. That's fine. Um, it's a weird thing to PLoP in there. I think he's just trying to he's trying to give He's trying to give general life advice which he always does that everybody could give, and make it specific to this one example, which is what he does all the time. Right, He's like, yeah, it's good to like get to know this person and this type of person and go out in the world and do this.

And he's just using dish washing and as an example. Yeah, he's generally using it as an example and I mean as agit like yeah, whatever, I don't think want to talk to the customers like part A big part of managing any successful enterprise where there are customers is limiting who has to deal with customers, because that's the thing that sucks the most, right because they're the worst people in the world. Um, like the the last person like you.

You you want as many people as possible to not have to talk to the customers directly because those yeah, exactly, um and I just well, so quick note, if we're if listeners, If if we're listening to a clip and suddenly you hear like a snicker or a laugh faw a little shortle uh, it might be because of what he's saying. If you think what he's saying is funny, it's probably because they just did the split screen thing again, and it's so jarring and off putting, and it surprises

me every time because why are they doing it. It's so weird. It seems like they're doing it at random. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It's just like, well, we need to do the split screen thing again, and I can't wait for it to be three Peterson's on

screen at once now, Cody. A lot of evidence shows that of all of the jobs in the United States, the highest level of substance abuse is pretty much working in a restaurant, particularly like working in the back of a restaurant, like those are as as uh, Anthony Bourdain very very eloquently wrote about, Like that's just a pretty durable fact. And yeah, I think front of the restaurant is cocaine. Back of the restaurant is all drugs. Yeah.

And I'm gonna be honest with you. The only reason I might believe that Jordan Peterson did what he said and he claims he went from being a dishwasher to a short order cook, is that I can't imagine him sitting in the back of a restaurant doing lines of a variety of benzos and stimulants and you know whatever, whatever he could get his hands on. Look at the man, Look at that Look at that shirt. Tell me tell me that man hasn't tried to straighten the lines in

a rain naked painting. I can't tell you that. Uh, good guy, Dr Jordan Peterson. Um. Anyway, he's on the verge of sounding like a normal person here until we get to this line. You know it's not intellectual work and that you're not dealing with abstractions, although it can still be complex. That's why we don't have dishwashing robots. By the way, now, quick quiz good sir, Do we in fact have dishwashing robots? Yeah? I feel like maybe if you just cut off the word robot. Yeah, we stopped.

We didn't use the word robot for it. But we have washing machines, and I feel like everyone listening has a machine that washes dishes. Um, you know, not all places have dishwashers, but everybody knows they exist. Yeah. Again, obviously the point he's making is that like, yeah, if you're even with all that machines can do, if you're like running a professional restaurant, you're going to have someone whose job is keeping the dishes clean because machines can't

do everything right. And like sometimes you run the dishwasher and you're like, oh, the dishwasher didn't work. I got to use my human hands that have certain ways they can move and they can get in there and clean that. It's so funny because like the most famous labor saving device on the planet is dishwashers. Like it's it's it says if if you know, if we didn't know that clearly Game of Thrones fan, if it was like the only TV show this man has seen as the Jetsons

and keeps facing everything off of Rosie the Robot. I mean it's like there's there's flint Stones and then there's Jetsons, and there's like nothing in between. Yeah, there's nothing in between. But even like dishwashing, like what birds and stuff? Right, they should have called this show flint Stone Jetson's and Scooby Doo and Scooby Doos or I guess to dragon tails.

If we ever get that big x on sponsorship to fund this podcast and I've become a millionaire, I'm going to pay Jordan Peterson of Fortune to watch old episodes of the of Scooby Doo where they have the Harlem Globe Trotters on and like weep over the union profundity of of Sweet Sweet Kyle sweet Lyle whatever his name was. Oh, that's a waste of money. He'll do that for free.

He'll do that for free. Peterson, what do you think about the time the Harlem Globe Trotters solved the mystery of old Man McGregor's haunted air B and B. I don't know, whatever does nothing right. He's this sort of this dragon inside you, and you have to you unmask getting it turns out it's yourself, because we are all our own dragons. This font is diet much better on do Le. What an awful fun they chose. It's a step above um, it's a step above Paprius, but not much,

not really. I'm sorry, what did you just call that? Thank you? Thank you? Sorry, it's sorry. What what did you referring to the Papyrus fun? I don't even think this is a step above that, though. It's we got these weird like cuts in it. It's like it's trying to seem like very like royal, but also has like a weird slime thing going to it, right, and the slime is for the curves of only season and it's

like a little slug. Yeah, I don't there's some slime to it, but it's not like that exciting to listen to people describe. But yeah, this is the one. The e is too cleasy, easy to mistake for an f at distance. Anyway, whatever, fuck this font is time for you to do an ad break. You know who will fuck a faont oh, for sure, they'll get their dick right in there. In fact, every time you buy one

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I was going to describe it exactly like that. Wow, Wow, we're We're It's like we're united by epigenetic collective unconsciousness. That's where this all ends anyway. Whatever. Um oh, yeah, we believe everything Jordan believe. After Peterson goes on another vamps for a little while, uh, he says very little of substance and mostly just asks rhetorical questions about self improvement, stuff like can you improve your relationship with your father?

Can you educate yourself? And then we get this very odd moment. Yeah, the draw of temptation drug and alcohol use, in particular sexual temptation as well. Do you do anything that's remote Oh, Cody, how would you describe that little play that again? So you describe that that that little moment when he says, oh, he does this like it's almost like a computer buffering like his his. The thing that he said just sort of like caused a a fucking hard drive skip in his little bread all right,

one more time. The draw of temptation, drug and alcohol use, in particular sexual temptation as well. Do you do anything that's like he liked? He says? He says sexual patient and then casts his eyes down. There's almost a little shiver across his body as he goes, Oh, it's very weird, he says an odd speaker. I mean, I'm sure it's made him millions of dollars because there is something that like you just I spent too long watching this and just go the fuck is what are you doing? What

are you trying to get across here? It's cryptic um anyway, So how he does it? So what does he land on? Can you resist temptation or not? He never really finishes. He just glitches, and then from this point he starts to get angrier and almost abusive. Yes, oh he's doing it. Remember melitical party do you go to church. You know, I don't go to church because you know, uh, there, believes don't match. It's like, who the hell cares about your beliefs. You're like sixty, you don't even have beliefs.

And if you think it's like, you're right in that and the Catholic church is wrong, well good luck without attitude. And church example, or political party doesn't need repair because all institutions are always falling apart, in corrupt. That's that's a story as old as time. That's the evil uncle. But good time to fix it up. Wait a second, wait, did you say fix it up? Go fix it up? I thought you were not allowed to do that. Yeah,

well this is exactly. None of this makes any sense because number one, are you saying that like people should just like you, you have to join a church, which he's clearly saying, but also you shouldn't criticize it. But also instead of leaving it, if it doesn't match with your beliefs, you should change it. But also you don't have beliefs, so and it's like, okay, if you disagree, don't what are you going to change it to because you don't believe anything? And what are you saying people

should do. Are you saying that like they should all become Catholics or or that you should just join whatever church's closest and not question it, but fix it if it doesn't align with your beliefs. But you can't have beliefs yet because you're just a kid. It's um, it's nonsense. It's not like it's it's it's just like, there's nothing useful in that mess of what a contradicts of all of all of the things to pick as an organization

that you shouldn't criticize the Catholic It's not incredible. Thanks Jordan's um I I. I also love his It's one of his ticks where he he like says a thing and sometimes it's like some ridiculous statements. Sometimes it's a completely reasonable thing, and he's like, well, you know, good luck with that. He just sort of like dismisses it

as though like that's the argument. For example, it seems like after the Catholic Church system eickily sexually trafficked and abused children and pushed for theocratic laws in Ireland that got huge numbers of women killed and maimed as a result of things like a topic pregnancies. Irish people in very large numbers left the church and things are better. Well, you know that's the evil uncle, right right, The evil

uncle is the uncle the Catholic priest. Yeah, I mean not far off, but like, so when do you because his whole thing is like don't are you? So you're like, you're sixteen, you have no beliefs, and so go to any church and if it disagrees with you, then you

should change it. But also you're not allowed to want to change anything unless you're like life is perfect and like in perfect order, so you're it's not yet because you're sixteen, So like, don't do if anything, don't leave your house, I guess, but to go to church you don't believe in consistently frustrating to me about Peterson is he does it like dropped, like the evil uncle, and he does it in such a way as he's like he's trying to impress you with by naming these archetypes

and like referencing the exactly and it's there's for an example of kind of like how to do this and not be a complete I don't know, some people will disagree with this, but like what he's doing is not fundamentally all that different if you sit down and listen to Dan Harmon talk about like the story circle, which is basically him taking the fucking hero's journey and putting it into a way that you can pretty easily turn into scripts. Right, that's all it is. It's not distills

it down to six steps, eight steps. Dan Harmon plenty of things to criticize about the man, but all he's actually he's not trying to say there's any sort of like psychic resonance with that. He's being like, this is a very simple, replicable way to tell a story in a way that that people can can grasp onto. Right, there's a reason and people like stories that have this.

You know, you do the thing, you change and then yeah, Peterson is that rather than the evil uncle just like being a thing that's in some movies and TV shows because it's easy, I don't know, it's something that people tend to like grasp onto. Um, it's just kind of an easy way to to to tell a story, right, Like it's scar in the in the Lion King. It's not a complex story. There's not a ton going on there,

but it works. And like, but Peterson is taking it as if and because this is like a trope that is broadly functional in storytelling, that is meant for a popular audience, it is indicative of something fundamental to human nature, right as opposed to like, you know, first of all, if you see a pattern, were we humans love to see patterns, and we put undo emphasis and importance on patterns even if they're it's not like a significant pattern. But like what he's talking about most of the time

in this respect is like just stereotypes. Like if you take like you said, like the lion king or Hamlet or whatever. So Scar the evil uncle, if Scar had a kid, Mufasa the kind uncle archetype, Like it's literally like it's just these interchangeable things the qualities described in like he's like the crone making a man and you change the name and it's like, I don't know, ye, all all of this can work, and it's like helpful

for people in situation. Like certainly, like like all of these archetypes that he treats as if they're like something sacred written into the back of the human soul are just shortcuts to like very easily putting together a fucking script for like a popular like specifically for a popular fucking movie that's like most of the modern adaptations of this ship like it's not none of this is like,

none of this is particularly resonant. And you can tell that for a fact that the stories that are like most popular are often the ones that that break some of these rules. Like they're not actually fundamental to good storytelling. They're just simple. Yeah, yeah, it's not. It's not necessarily going to be the most compelling or interesting story if you use all these archetypes or this like pattern, because

it's most stories their training wheels, their training wheels. If you're starting out reading writing stories, or if you're getting lost in the weeds, it can be an easy way to like get something put together and then you can do a better thing next time. Um, but I don't know whatever. I get frustrated when people talk about fucking

archetypes like this. Well, so when you're talking about like this and like applying it to like like fundamental like institutions and elements of society, where it's like, these are different conversations because like fucking the evil uncle is a bad guy in a script because the script needs a bad guy, because conflict is fun. The Catholic Church is bad because they raped a bunch of kids and covered

it up. And that's a reason why maybe you would not believe anything else they have to say, right, Like, maybe it stems from certain aspects of their like core beliefs. I don't know exactly. Yeah, maybe there's fundamental things about the structure of an organization like the Catholic Church that

are abusive. But Jordan Peterson fucking loves hierarchy, right and just like in the inevitability of everything, right Like, Anyway, if an institution is corrupt, it's because all institutions become corrupt. Like ultimately, Um, it's not a problem with anything about the institution. It is. Yes, it's corruption that that happens, except for in my institutions that I like. So the next session of the video asked Peterson to define what

makes a man? And this is the first point at which I think someone like put together, Like maybe after the first ten minutes of this were recorded, which probably took three days, somebody like jotted down some fucking notes into something resembling a script to try to put a scaffolding on this motherfucker. Here we go. Yeah, definition, man, Ah, why don't I a biologist, but as it happens, I am a biologist. So no you're not. No, no you no you're not. I felt like you reaction to that

he is absolutely not a fucking biologist. Oh my god, you can say that you like I like, oh my god. A scientists strong a physicist wouldn't say I'm a biologist because you like know a lot about biology. Yeah, it's it's very frustrating because like, yes, theoretically, like he has a PhD in clinical psychology, there are clinical psychologists who do biology right, because some of them are do neuroscience right, elements of it exactly biology. But that's not what he does.

That's not what he does, and that's not that's just not how people in the scientific community talk. Like he says this about everything like it's if you it's funny he would say, Like he would say, if he's describing, like, um, what the Parado principle as, like it relates to black holes or whatever, he would literally say, I'm an astrophysicist.

No no, no, no, no. You maybe you know about astrophysics and you have like knowledge in that field, but no, like actual like reasonable like respectable scientists would just make a claim like that. There's you go on in in your three hour video of about Dr Jordan Peterson about how he's fundamentally wrong about lobsters and the ship he

says about like narrow transmitters and lobsters. He's wrong about a lot of important things, including that time he went cold turkey off of benzos by going to some weird clinic in Russia and nearly got himself killed. Um, but I want to stick to stuff that he claims that he makes in the video to prove that he's If he is a biologist, he's a realist. Let's see, let's life. You are so yeah, I I want to sorry. I just have to like give him a little like in

good faith, you know, reasonable doubt. Some people's talk in this way, like what you're saying, you're not saying. I'm a biologist, just like I believe in biology. I have knowledge of it, and I approach things from a biologist perspective, is what he's trying to say. But that, but he

wasn't precise. He's at all precise in his speech, and he's also about to be really wrong because after this he goes on a little rant about how some people are charitable, but they're not hard working or practical, so they just wind up giving away other people's money and that's bad. Um. What he's he says that the ideal thing to be the essence of masculinity. In fact, this is what he because he's again the section is where

he's trying to define a man. He says that the essence of masculinity is productive generosity, which seems to he seems to define as actually being a dick um because he doesn't think that like generosity means being good to people. He thinks it's like it's this weirder concept about how well sometimes generosity is like being mean and withholding resources from people who are going to to squander them, right. Um. And as he's doing this, he attacks the concept of agreeableness.

And I want to play you this this part of the episode, Cody, because this is we can nail it to some science here. Yeah, we get into it. Basically, an empathy dimension has no correlation whatsoever with success in enterprise business creative domains. In fact, among managers, agreeableness looks like it's slightly negatively correlated with success because hyper agreeable managers can't say no. They can't discipline their employees, they

can't send limits, and they're susceptible to manipulation. So well, Cody, that sounds like something that's falsifiable, right, That is a that is a true or or false statement that he just made. We can actually dig into research, it seems like yeah, and it turns out we're really lucky here. There was a massive meta analysis of studies published on quote agreeable nous on it and its consequences just this year.

Researchers Michael Wilmot and Dennis Ones analyzed studies in folving one point nine million participants, So pretty big meta analysis, right. They concluded quote overall, the the trait has effects in a desirable direction for ninety to variables. Professor Wilmot seemed adamant that not only is Peterson wrong about the value of agreeableness, he's specifically wrong about its impact on leaders.

Quote Michael Wilmot, assistant professor of Management at the University of Arkansas, in a university release said, quote agreeableness is the personality trait primarily concerned with helping people and building positive relationships, which is not lost on organizational leaders. Taken altogether,

the interaction among things became clear. Professor Wilmot concludes agreeableness was marked by work investment, but this energy was best acted at helping or cooperating with others, in other words, teamwork. So just he's exactly wrong and it took thirty seconds. Yeah, they looked at these, like thousands of studies involving nearly two million people, and it turns out being agreeable really works well into teams. And I don't know, Cody, you and I have both worked on teams. You know what's

great is not working with assholes? Oh yeah, we don't like that. It's not fun. Uh, it makes it unpleasant, and you don't like the One of the most important things in in particularly like uh comedy, like sketch comedy, whatever is like yes, and which is fundamentally being agreeable. It's not like trying to shut down a joke. It's trying to expand it. You know. It's a plus, right, Yeah, because that that works pretty well people people. It tends

to make for things that are funny. Well, it's fascinating that people like working like people who aren't easy to work with. Yeah, I love this and I really appreciate that you instantly looked this up because he does this all the time. He'll say like, I've read the literature in this way, and then you look it up and

it's not that way. Or he'll make these broad claims about these sort of things, and it's also stuff where it's like, you are are a psychologist, that is your field, and you're making these claims and I just looked it up and you're wrong. Um, it's alarming that this man is in this fine leather chair. It is, it is, and it is a nice looking leather chair. Library. Whoever they have directing putting the set decorations together, they made a They made a very welcoming looking library boy one

million for the library for millions. I don't believe he's read any of those books, but it's a nice looking library. He skimmed them for a few words that he could say to reinforce his point. Yeah. So Jordan's view of masculinity doesn't leave much room for teamwork. It becomes quickly clear that he doesn't see management as a thing people do in specific instances to help groups accomplished tasks, and instead he sees management as how a healthy man looks

at every relationship in his life. And I mean management the way that like a leader in an organization manages, and Sophie, let's play that next clip. And then you should be responsible for and productive for as many people as you can manage. And so that might be first your intimate partner, your wife, second year, your parents, your siblings, your your children, maybe your children primarily, although you know there's a tradeoff there with your wife, So the split screen,

it's just every time. Next, he says that you should seek to manage your community and local government if it's possible at all, and it's become it's pretty clear. I think at this point that his version of masculinity is nothing but control, and it's a specific sort of control

that's motivated by self hatred. And you get glimpses. I don't think Peterson is even really super aware of it, but you get glimpses of the centrality of self hatred to his concept of masculinity, and these little gaps and cracks like this one here go on all that responsibility if you can in a sense that's both productive and generous, that gives you something to do justify your miserable life to yourself and everyone else, and you need to do

that um it. It orients you solidly in the world if you do that, and it gives you a dragon to fight, a real wood. And that's where the gold is. So as everyone has known forever. Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, Robert, can we do an ad break right now, just so that there's a gold please? If you want to know where else the gold is, check out the sponsors to this podcast, which apparently include these this random gold scam company. Buy the gold and give it to a dragon so you can fight it,

and then take the gold back and then it's yours again. Yeah, ah, we're back. So I think all of that's really fucking silly. Um. Yeah, it is a vice about being a person, yeah, he all. He always sort of comes back to like and like, you know, there are ways to say this and discuss this, Like life is suffering and life is miserable and you you suck and everything's bad. Um, but you're you need to find you need to create a purpose is what

he's talking about. Oftentimes we're talking about what masculinity is, right right, man, And like manages productive generosity, which means managing every single being a being, a a hierarchical centralized leader of every aspect of your life and every relationship that you're involved with. And then once you're in control, you should go seek out dragons to fight, using presumably other people to do a lot of the fighting. Oh yeah, you send him off to get the dragon so you

can get the cold. Um. It's yeah, he's always it always circles. It's weird because he also, like he dismisses this idea that certain things in society are about like power, Like, oh, they say it's about powers, Like, no, it's not. It's about this, it's about biology or like how men have these fucking like you know, genes or whatever. Um. But ultimately he's just but then he comes back to this like, yeah, you need like discontrol to do this. How do you do that? Well, you need to have the power to

do that. Um. He he just always comes back to just like, ultimately I be a strong man. We need Being a man is being like a dictator in your life. Yeah. And it's interesting because like, obviously Jordan's the kind of guy who like worships these quote unquote traditional like kind of militarist values um and and hierarchy in that sense. But if you actually look at like what makes the

best the most functional military hierarchies on the planet. Um, they all are based around the idea that you should have a really strong non commissioned officer core. And this is certainly a kind of strict hierarchy, but it's a hierarchy that is in a lot of ways less centralized than the kind of pyramidal hierarchy the peters. It's it's based around the idea that you should actually have a lot of little leaders that are invest did in a

great degree of autonomy and whose expertise is respected. And oftentimes, like if you have a unit, like a platoon, you have an officer who's technically in charge, and then you have an inn c O who is technically under him, but who was generally recognized as actually being more expert in a lot of ways, and both of them like take on different tasks. And that's necessary for actually effectively leading a unit through combat because you're talking about working together. Yeah,

I'm talking about like working together. Um. Yeah, it's it's all these these ideas, and it requires a great deal an effective functioning effectively as a unit in any kind of like strenuous or dangerous situation. Does at times require there being a person who is saying, like, do this and do that, because sometimes that's necessary when you're trying

to accomplish goals under stress. But the thing that requires most of all is like mutual respect um, and an understanding of people's talents and an ability to of subordinates autonomy, because organizations that don't do those things can survive if there's not a danger being put on them, if there's not like a threat, But if you're actually being threatened, you want as much intelligence to be available from the organization as possible, and you only get that by giving

people the ability to act with a degree of autonomy. That doesn't sound very productively generous of you, though. Yeah, we can talk a lot about like the Ukrainian military versus the Russian one, but let's move on. Um. So his next question is, oh, actually this kind of ties into that, how should you arm yourself? Um? And the answer that Peterson gives is a humanities education, um, which is interesting to me. That is interesting. Yeah, and he thinks that he kind of defines a good education the

humanities is reading great men into his credit. He says, great women too. Um. He's actually pretty careful about that in that so I'll give you, I'll give you a

thumbs up. Dr only took eight years. Yeah, So after this we get an extended rant about how if you either lie or you just say things you don't fully believe in, Like if you alter your own beliefs to like write an essay to get a good grade for a teacher, to impress someone, then you're letting someone else control and speak for you, which is kind of like basically letting a demonic spirit run your body. Um. This is interesting for two reasons. Actually, one is that he

says this all the time. This is another one of another one like thing, where's like why does this show exist? This is just everything you've ever said in your like your books and stuff. Um, but also, uh, Ben Shapiro has literally said the opposite, Like he his advice to his advice to people at school is to do what he did, which is just regurgitate everything is law, professor said, pretend that he believes it so that he can like pass the grade. And I'm never gonna say this about

Ben Shapiro, but like that's a valuable life skill. Like sometimes you're gonna get pulled over by a cop, and you're gonna need the light of that police officer so that you don't suffer consequences that will fuck your life up. Right. Sometimes, perhaps you're trying to get on an airplane and you have a bag that's over the limit, and being able to like lie about it and convince someone not to weigh it is a useful life skill because then you

don't you're not out fifty dollars. Sometimes you sit down with someone who's maybe kind of a crazy asshole, and it's just the easiest thing and the safest thing to not engage with them over some of the things that they're saying. If it's not you know, I'm not saying don't engage with racists, but a lot of people are just assholes in ways that it's like, I don't need to you don't need to argue with you. Sometimes you just be like, okay, okay, let's in the interaction and

smile at them. That's a useful life skill. People who are able to do those things, who are able to understand how to I don't need to be totally honest right now. I also I can just in the interaction, and I want to do that in a pleasant way.

So I'm just going to pretend like I don't think this person is dumb as ship right, Like that's fine, Yeah, but his his sort of assumption, I think, And maybe he's changed his mind since is that like if you if you do that, and you do it like more than a few times, you'll start believing the things that you're that you're allowing to be said. I've lied to a lot of cops about having weed in the car, and I've never thought that my car back in the day didn't have weed in it and didn't deserve to

have weed in it, didn't deserve to have We met exactly. Um. Anyway, whatever, the good thing about this rant is that it gives us another little moment of accidental honesty from Dr Peterson. I think, well, God, that was a miserable life. I manipulated everybody. They were so damn stupid. They were sucked in by it. They're all contemptible everyone doesn't you know, which they don't by the way, And so that's a

pathway to bitterness. Pathway to bitterness, huh, pathway to bitterness. Um. He kind of I feel like he's talking about himself there. I'm just gonna say it. I feel like that Peterson often comes off as a bitter old man. Yeah. I think he's a bitter old man. And I think he's bitter because the only thing he's done with his life

is manipulate people. Um. And it's he says again. He talks a lot about how there's no difference between the spirit of manipulation taking you over in demonic possession, and he's the only thing that stopped him from being canceled

is that he's a fundamentally honest person. Which is fun because Jordan got famous for claiming that Canadian Bill C sixteen was going to force people to use ginger neutral pronouns for non binary and transgender identities and legally punish them if they didn't, that people were going to be literally thrown into prison. Um. He gave a lot of interviews saying like, I think some of the things that

I say in my lectures now might be illegal. I think they might even be sufficient for me to be brought before the Ontario Human Rights Commission under their amended hate speech laws. This has never happened, Nothing like this has ever happened in Canada to Dr Peterson or to anyone else. He was completely full of shit. Um. You know, yeah, the first video, I mean, the first video he shared

about that topic was like professor against political correctness. You know exactly what is doing, and it's it's like if you actually look at the and if you actually talk to any of the Canadian legal experts about what this law meant and what the actual because there is a threshold at which hate speech is criminal in Canada, and the threshold is pretty high. You would have to be literally advocating for genocide. You would you would be having to try to incite a genocide, which number one, None

of whatever you want to say. His comments back then did not cross that line. And apparently no one's has because no one has. No one's been prosecuted for this. There's been no criminal cases as a result of this. Um. I might argue that perhaps there should have been, but whatever. Um. So Peterson veers from this into an unhinged dissection of

sleeping beauty. He really he's he's got an old school Disney fixation and I'm just gonna have well because they're the old stories, right, their fairy tales, the evil You're not ones that are exactly anyway. Here's Jordan Peterson, So

what can you arm yourself with? You know? In Sleeping Beauty, when the Prince he's entrapped in the in that castle by uh Maleficent, who's the ultimate edible mother, she transforms herself into a dragon, which everyone seems to just take as a matter of course, because of course the evil which transforms herself into a dragon, Like, why we think that's logical is a deep question, an oar contemptic question.

But anyways, he's armed with the sword of truth, and I believe it's the shield of virtue, but the sword of truth. And that's it's a corny trope in some sense, but it's not corny at all, because how could falsehood prevail against truth? How could that possibly be the case? If if what is true reflects what is real, how can what is unreal prevail against what is real? And so, you know, I love when he does stuff like that. And then he's like and so and he's like, wait,

what were they talking about? Yeah? At all, First off, Jordan's we accept it when the witch turns into a dragon because it is a fantasy cartoon and she's a witch. So even though witches don't always turn into dragons, and movies in fact, usually don't. In movies with witches, we're all like, yeah, whatever, Like she she just did a bunch of fucking gobbledegoot magic. It's fine, Like there's there's fucking like even just like okay, yeah, she's doing magic

and stuff. She turned to a dragon. She's deceiving whether it's like her true form or she's turning to a dragon deceiving him. I've got the sort of truth like he was right the first time. It's a little corny trope,

it's little on the nose. It's it's like he's just he's taking this like visual metaphor or like his imagery and being like, wow, yeah, truth is important, Like it's just like what Yeah, it's like if it's like if Jordan Peters And watched Happy Gilmore and was talking about the scene where he does a subway ad and he's like, we accept the subway ad because somehow fundamentally there's something about human beings that make them want to sell five

dollar sandwiches. No, we accept the subway ad because there was a lot of advertising and movies at the time, and it was clearly a joke about that as well, Like it's anyway, whatever, Dr Peterson, I watched Happy Gilmore recently holds up, um find uh quite good film, you know. Weirdly enough, Shooter McGavin is the same as the fed from the Iron Giant. Oh oh I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway,

so it's all, it's all good. Um, it's all. His entire argument here just rests on like this very ridiculous tautology. If what is true reflects what is real, how can what is unreal prevail over what is real? Well, I

don't know. If you lie and you get a crowd of people to believe man committed a crime that he didn't commit, and then you get them to lynch that man so you can take his stuff, it seems like what is unreal can prevail over what is real, and does so regularly, like look at like his any like historical record, Like yeah, it happens all the time. It works, what he talstantly works, what of the most successful strategies in all of history? Because also because he'll and he'll

because he talks about these things too. He talks about like oh like different regimes and their propaganda and how effective it is, and like it's talked about Nazi. Well, he talked about Nazi Germany being this weird collect example, but like there's whole families of people who exist because at some point someone was asked, are you hiding a Jewish family in your house? And they said no, Like it turns out but how But did they not have the sort of truth like no, they were good at

lying and that's an important life skill. Um, anyway, one like not yeah, it's it's it's very on because a lot of like, not only is this stupid, this is advice that is almost tailor made to create failures of people. Listen to this portion where he complains that people who do the writing they're assigned by their teachers just to get a grade, are like inherently breaking some sort of

moral law. Wait, okay, check this out. Why right, Well, maybe you're writing about something important and if you're not, then it's just a lie the whole enterprise. So write about something important. Why do you want to? Right, Well, so that you can think that's what you're doing when you're writing revelation. Here's some ideas I have. You do your research. Here's some ideas I have. I'll get them down, then i'll edit the idea, so only keep the best ideas. Well,

now I know how to think about that. Now I know how to perceive that. Now I know how to act on that. Well, now you know how to perceive an act in relationship to something difficult. Well that's why you learn to write, so you can think. And you know everyone says to their children and think before you act. Well, why so you can not do stupid things? So why st so you don't do stupid things? Why not the

stupid things? Stupid things perhaps like getting addicted to benzos while leading nothing but red meat for months, and then letting your daughter take you to a weird Russian clinic where you do a cold turkey detox so dangerous it nearly kills you, leaves you in a coma, and results in you becoming a broken shell of a man who cries at random during podcast interviews and can't sleep for

thirty days after drinking a supersider. Like it's another like a lot of people just do essays because they need to get the grade, because they're paying like even dollars to take this fucking class. Also, like, there are a lot of ways that like to learn how to think and like different processes and again like pattern recognition and all these sort of like logic and reasoning and whatnot. Oftentimes, learning to write is to it's not to think, it's

to communicate your thoughts. Um, it is what he's really trying to say. Oh so this is like a thing he said again is another one of those like heard this ninety times from this guy. Uh. But it's just like Jordan's. If being a good writer meant you were a good thinker, then writers would be famous for being well adjusted people with healthy habits rather than like the most comprehensively broken career field in in in the entirety

of the arts and sciences. Like name a famous writer, uh, and and then name what they're famous for outside of their books, And it's probably the fact that their life is a disaster, right, And like it's not that, Which is not to say that you need to have a disaster of a life to be a writer. It's just to say that writing well does not mean you know how to think well. Right, You can communicate. Again, you can communicate your thoughts that you're having. You have these

orson Scott Card be beautiful writer, dogshit opinions about the world. Also, I love this idea that like, if you watch the video, he's using his hands a lot and talking about you write it and then it's this big, long thing and then you edit it down to just the best ideas. I don't know if anyone listening has seen maps of meaning. I don't think it had an editor code. It's like thousand page uh diagram of a dragon. It's um So, I don't know. Maybe you should write more to learn

how to think better. But it's like you're learning how to put forth an argument, not necessarily how to no. And that's that's the thing that he says, right, Like that he's actually saying here, which is that like the goal of writing is to like make an argument, to convince somebody about the way you think, rather than just trying to like explain a thing or describe a thing. It's about like everything else. For Jordan's it's about domination. So if he played that, played this next clip right?

So why right? How about so you can take your place in the world, Not so you can please the teacher and be some obedient like lap dog. You need to know how to think and speak so you can lead and think and and conceptualize and and in trance. He does the thing again where you can see his like he just kind of goes away for a second name when he says hind in trance, and it's I would say, pretty unsettling. Yeah, well, like because again it's

like in trance, entrancing implies deception. Yeah, um, which seems contradictory to what he's trying to say, but yeah, it's it's the he what he What he makes clear in this next clip is that, yeah, writing is just a tool for domination, because that's the actual only task worth achieving. To Jordan's pen is mightier than sword. It's there's no comparison the sword, you know, Yeah, fair enough, and you want to be careful of someone who wields the sword,

but you wield the pen in a mighty manner. Nothing stops you. Ever. H that's assuming too, that you're oriented, you know, in some noble manner. He does use the word oriented like a lot. Yeah, it's it sounds smarter to him than like facing or directed or whatever, like, Yeah, I don't know, it's just like, why do we need so many words to say the phrase that he already said. He said, he said the common phrase the pen is mightier than the sword, and then he like started to

talk about it for a long time. It's like I don't need that I have the phrase yeah, And it's also again it's it's one of I love. The pen is mightier than the sword is like a fucking because it's useless, right, It's a completely useless statement, because no,

the pen is not mightier than the sword. Um, the argument is, like, the actual thing that is true is that, like, well, ideas can cause like Titanic shifts and can get lots of people killed and can be sort of the beginning point the well spring of a tremendous amount of power, right, and ideas can be written down and often are, And

that's true. But like the fact that like the Nazis wrote a lot of books and propaganda that was instrumental in them gaining power, didn't mean that, like their ability to beat the ship out of and shoot people wasn't also instrumental in game. And a lot of people who did that weren't convinced because of like writing or propaganda, but because they wanted power and wealth and saw this

is the best way to get it. And like we're acting out of grave and self interest and kind of an in tandem thing again, saying that just saying the pen is mightier than the sword is a meaningless statement. So he's not because he's not talking about that right because he's he had to he had to qualify with like well as long as it's oriented towards like moral good or wherever we phrased it. Uh. Oh, he's not even talking about like in his view like bad guys

with a pen. No, So what's it? Saw? This qualification

seems like this. It's fucking trash, Cody, and it's trash that we're gonna let's sit for today and finish this episode up when we come back in part two of this, he talks so much about things and nothing at all everything and he looks, I don't know, Kermit, the frog, I do like that where we've got it, where we've got it paused right now, there's like a little you can see a little wattle starting to form on the side of his neck like I'm seeing for Peterson's just

just like a frog's pouch. So I don't know. Maybe Dr Jordan Peterson is a lizard man. Let's go see if David Ike has an opinion on that. Cody any thing to pluck all the time, every day. Um, you know, my name is Cody john Been. Uh like you said the top some more news, even more news, go google it. We got three hours on this guy we're talking about character. Your name is Cody Johnson. Has anyone n sorry, has it guy ever called you see Gisel? No? Well technically yes,

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