Part Four: The Clarence Thomas Story

You know what else is funny, Sophie. I was gonna say something really mean, and then I stopped myself. What well, you know what I did is I spent time, because I'm not a mean person like you, reading from the Bible, you know, the Good Book, which we're all supposed to do every day. And I found a relevant quote from the Bible. And I just gonna read this bit of Mark sixteen because I think from Playboy Magazine August of nine, that's somebody's Bible. No, I I think we could use

a little bit more religion on this podcast. And uh, and so I'm gonna this this this verse from the Bible, save us, Robert cherish ye all the catalytic converters that that frolic and frock in the streets around you, and never let them stay in the car with which they were initially assembled, and instead take for ye all the precious metals they contain and use them to buy street drugs under bridges. M that's I mean, let's just bring

it down one more time due Toonomy eight. But remember the Lord your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth through the theft of catalytic converters, which he swore to your ancestors. As it is today. I mean, and this is why the Bible is, This is why I want to get this ship tadded. Sometimes it's so powerful. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I can't imagine anyone disagreeing with that. This is not funny. So is

my religion. Don't don't play with Miles. I think we might have to get HR involved, because if I remember the classes that I did not take, the HR takes a stick. We're not allowed to demean a co workers religion. Gart you're still gonning emails about that. I have not checked those emails in months. Sophie. Um So, Miles, we're back talking about Clarence Thomas. What's a good nickname for Clarence Thomas? Uh m hmm. I feel like it's some kind of like a good nickname is some kind of

Marvel super villain that involves like some kind of porn pun. Yeah, definitely there has to be like something pornographic there which he would appreciate personally, as someone who uncontrollably talks about porn grafity to every single person that he has for more than thirty five seconds. I'm trying to think, is there any I mean, there's pyro and that could just be porno, but that's not like very clever. Um, we'll think about that. I mean, I'll challenge the listeners for

that something good, some good. I was gonna go with Lex Luthor, but mainly because I think Clarence tom Well is he bald am? I just imagining that Clarence Thomas he's got here. Let me let me take a look. Let me take a look. I think it's halo Yeah it is haloing. But no, you're right, he has that like it's like a crown of white hairs too. So like spiderwebt Um, I don't know, but oh yeah, no, that's because in the most recent pictures he's like barely

has any left. I guess he's kind of like he's like Sniegel, you know, and that like Porno has ruined him. Like I see like the ring of Power, the Ring of Porno that he's pursuing. And then I just think

how the walls are plastered with Porno. It's like Sniegel when he has the rings, Like I look forward to the day and Elijah Wood attempts to throw his his old playboys into a volcano, but but can't bear to do it, and then Clarence Thomas tackles them out of his hands and falls into the mouth of some fires of Mount Doom. Yeah. Yes, anyway, big on Tolkien today.

Um so yeah, the uh, we're talking a bit about Clans Thomas, who is as we start this story, about to be the Republican nominate the latest of like way too many fucking Supreme they make, They nominate so many fucking Supreme Court justices in the Reagan Bush ears it

is heartbreaking. Um and yeah. The kind of black conservatism that Thomas had come to support by the late nineteen eighties was very formed by both his experiences at Yale with his racist white liberal colleagues and his experiences with

racists in the Reagan administration. It was a better the devil you know kind of bargain mixed with an almost religious belief in the saving power of black men and the focus on a kind of family values that hinged around an authoritarian, all powerful father exerting iron control over his family. That's what like his kind of attitude comes around as is like you can't you can't understand or stop racism. It's useless to try. You'll just wind up

making the problem worse. All you can do is empower black men to have complete control over their families in order to like protect and direct them. Um, the state will do nothing but get in the way of black self reliance, and in Thomas's evolving view, things like affirmative action only stripped black men of self respect, while integration

broke up strong black communities. The fact that Thomas himself had repeatedly benefited from affirmative action programs UH does not seem to have had an impact on his beliefs here, although he was constantly angry about that. So I don't know. That's a complicated thing to wrap your head around. I guess, yeah, yeah, I mean that's again, there's so much that's like confounding about him, with so much that makes sense, that makes sense, right, Yeah, like yeah, that that is like a whole thing to

to get your head around. And it is, like I think, rightfully, So there's nothing unreasonable or hard to understand about being like angry about the existence of affirmative action because of like what it implies, right, what it implies about like

the past of the country that you're in. Right, I don't think it's reasonable to be against those programs, but I think it's reasonable to be like it's fucked up that like this is necessary, um, and that it's going to lead to people treating black people who benefit from these programs differently as if like they don't deserve to be there. Like that is uh, like fucked up in a problem. It doesn't mean that like the solution is do nothing exactly it's right, which is what he says,

Or you're just going to make the problems of racism worse. Yeah, Well, it's not like you want to put out a fire, right, And he's just saying don't fan the flames, and it's like, no extinguish the fire. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's sucked up with to have so many firefighters out of this fire. But yeah, it is. It's bad that the fire got that bad. But that doesn't mean the solutionists fewer firefighters,

yeah right, or you can fan the flames. Yeah. So, according to Corey Robin Quote, among the few who have noticed this, the type of his nomination was the right wing intellectual Murray Rothbard. Before he died in nine Rothbard came to a late life vision of a coalition of libertarians and white nationalists forging alliances with Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul. Rothbart anticipated the merger of America's two great manias, racism and capital or in capitalism that are the hallmark

of the Trump regime, black separatism or black nationalism. Rothbard said of Thomas's philosophy has long struck me as more far more compatible with human nature, as well as far more libertarian than the compulsory integration beloved of left liberalism. A modern updated version of the black nation idea, Rothbart added, would set the American blacks free, at last, free from what they see as white racism and what many white see his parasitism over the white populace through crime or

welfare payments. Independent at long last, liberated from what they see as the institutionalized legacy of slavery, the blacks would finally be free to find their own level. So like Rothbart sucks. Rothbart, by the way, is the reason why libertarian is a right wing word. Now that's like a conscious thing that he did is steal it from the left and is a just a math that makes clear

that's a massive racist talking right like everything about very racist. Yeah, but also just given their own thing give let him

just do their own thing over there. Man. Also, though you have to like again this is the thing you could you always have to say about Rothbart, a very intelligent man who was good at getting what he wanted, because like, this is a winning strategy, not with most people, but like with enough that it's come to dominate a huge chunk of Republican politics, um and been a significant

part and a couple of presidential elections. So yeah, and it and it also a great new feeling or vibe to the idea of like not wanting to help marginalized people, which is you know, people should just be kind of like left to do their own thing, is sort of what I'm saying. Like I'm not trying to say they deserve that, but what I'm saying is my belief is that like people should just be free to like sort that out. Like if it's not working for them, then

like they should work that out. And is that sort of like this other, you know, form of neglectful racism that people love. Yep, Um, it's pretty good. It's it's uh yeah. In June of their good Martial announced his retirement from the Supreme Court. Tragically. If he'd held on a little bit longer, his successor might have been someone who was a little bit more to the left. Uh,

and they would have been appointed by President Clinton. Um. But at the time June, you gotta remember, Bush looked like he was gonna win, right like it was, you know, things were going pretty good. He had he'd had a he was in the process, I guess of having a fun little war which we all had a really good time with. Made everybody feel good about themselves. I Mean, who didn't have those custom Ninja turtles that were straight

up desert storm propaganda? Man, he should have gotten a second term just because of the Ninja Turtles strength of yea, yeah, off the strength of the toys absolutely and the G I. Joe episodes. We got out of that period of time. Oh my god, what a what a great time that was for everyone. This scuds for you. We should have done another couple of wars like that instead of the

problem wars. Right, Yeah, I know, just suck a country up a little bit and then like bounce just a little bit though, you know, just just just fucking around just for the weekend. Yeah, what if we just bombed I don't know, what's the capital of Poland, Poland town. What if we just bombed Poland Town a little bit, you know, and then we bounced, then we're gone. Right? Does a little warning make us feel good? Hundred hours

on the ground, right, everybody? Everybody feels like even not? Yeah? Yeah, easy, simple, God? What you want to bomb Warsaw? Thank you, Sophie Warsaw? Yeah? Why not? Yeah? Joined the great club of dudes? Who did I know one thing about that's? That's that's If I know one thing about history, it's that bombing Warsaw is always a good guy move. No response to that, just concerned here folks anyway, stop borking around. Thank you so thank you for bringing back to Robert. So your

life up if they're good. Marshall had held on a little bit longer another like year in change, he probably would have had his success for appointed by President Clinton. But like, and I'm not saying this to criticize the man, Like, imagine yourself in his position. You've spent your entire life

fighting for civil rights and doing so very effectively. You are old and sick and in pain, and you're pretty fucking sure this Bush guys gonna win reelection, So like, why continue to just sit there writing out distant pieces while you're like kind of unable to function at your

prior level, you know, especially I'm not. I'm not, yeah, especially when that like I'm doing the best I can with what I have quote like makes your sound like fucking hod or of like just like just ripping up your body, and you're like, I'm trying, y'all, I am desperately trying, but it's just they're ripping my body apart, like I I can't. I have no no blame for him in this, like but he does, he does quit. You know, wait, where are those like white women who

are blaming they're good, Marshal. They're like, actually, if you really follow this domino effect, it's they're good Marshal fault. Um, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't particularly blame him. He's in a pretty bad historic position here. It is kind of tragic knowing like, oh, man, you were about to get a moderately more progressive person in the White House, but tragically that didn't not happen. Um. So he he quits, you know, he does the old Irish goodbye uh and

and bounces and um. Yeah. Now, George H. W. Bush is going to is one of his last things as president, get to put another ass in a seat at the Supreme Court. Um. And you know, at this point they can't throw another moderate in there. You know, Bush and Johnson UNU have like kind of edged the far right as much as they possibly can, and they need to pick a judge that like the fascist wing of the party. He's gonna get hard. Yeah, and and that that that

motherfucker is Clarence Thomas. Um. However, the realities of the selection process mean that they also need to convince Congress that he has not in fact a threat to abortion. That is the primary concern when Thomas gets nominated, right, UM, is that, Oh, this guy's gonna end Roe v. Wade. Right, that is the primary concern in n UM, this guy's gonna end Roe v. Wade. Now, so a lot of Congress people before proving him want to like know whether or not he's a threat to the right to choose um.

And this is not as simple as it sounds actually finding out how he would rule on it, because Thomas, again, as we've kind of walked through this, he has no history as a trial lawyer. He's never worked as a judge prior to this. You know, Um, he has absolutely no history of ruling on or considering cases or being involved with cases that involve abortion. There's nothing to read

on in his actual past here. And part of that is because again he's not a fucking judge, So there's like no way to look at how he's handled past cases here. He's like, what do you do, sir? How did how the fund did your name get? Yeah, he's a political creature, right like, he does not have and he's he's kind of deliberately avoided being in positions where there's a whole lot to criticize him on in in

most of these actual like super dicey areas. UM. So when he undergoes his confirmation hearings, UM, Tom fights hard to be to avoid being pinned down on the matter of whether or not he supports the right to choose UM. He says at one point that he doesn't know how he's going to rule on abortion right, Like, so, I

don't know. I don't know what I do. I don't know what I do if that came up, you know, UM quote, I hadn't read those cases about privacy, and I hadn't thought much about substantive due process since law school. I had constitutional law in nineteen seventy two. Row was decided in nineteen seventy three. So he's literally like, I just didn't think about it much. And then I've been like, oh, Ship, that's right. But then like I got out of law

school and like I wasn't really thinking about it. Yeah, I might think, I might say, not a log I hear, but I might say that not having thought about a major civil rights issue ever in your career would be Yeah, maybe, like you shouldn't be a judge of the on the Supreme Court if you never thought about this in your life.

That's what's wild too, is like I'm sure there's like this perfect again because he's this political creature to like he's benefited from just like patriarchy and that he can be like a guy who has really he's replacing one of like the most brilliant Supreme Court justices, the dude who has never done shit, like yeah, like literally the

fucking goat. This guy who by any standard, has had an incredible priorate of becoming a Supreme Court justice, has an incredible legal career still to this day one of the most influential trial lawyers in the history of like

Western law. And he gets replaced by a guy who um like had eight eight years as chairman of the E e e O C and prior to that like briefly represented Monsanto and then like and then nothing director for talking about porn for mostly just interrupted colleagues Like what so, Thomas though um is really good, you know, obviously he has no real background as the kind of things you would want to Supreme Court justice to have, but he has gotten really good at this point at using his

personal background as someone who grew up poor and black to be fuddle literal liberals and kind of like, you know, push back on any sort of claims that he might not be a good fit as a Supreme Court justice. Uh. He followed this statement, the one I just read about how he hasn't considered privacy law by claiming, quote, I was more interested in the race issues. I was more interested in getting out of law school. I was more interested in passing the bar exam. My life was consumed

by survival. I couldn't pay my rent, I couldn't repay my student loans. I had all these other things going on that you were navigating these worlds that you're navigating. So that's is like reason for why I didn't consider I never considered abortion of privacy. I had real things to worry about, you know. I had as a as a as a as a poor black kid. I had liked to actually fight to pay my rent, So I couldn't think about privacy rights. So the right to choose

perfect perfect, Yeah. Yeah, And that like it shuts down a lot of the criticisms against him in the Senate. Now, if you want a tremendously detailed look at how the confirmation process went or precisely why Thomas was picked all of that stuff. I really do recommend the book Strange

Justice by Meyer and Abramson Um. I think it is important to note that Thomas really plays up the aspects of his background that sound good to liberals when he is during this confirmation process, because again, he spent years playing up aspects of his background to appeal to the right, and now that he's got to like appeal to the center, at some point he starts like really pushing the parts of him that do sound good to liberals. When he's asked what he minors in during college, he's tells the

Senate protest um. And it should be noted that many many liberals at the time absolutely did not buy what what Thomas was trying to like get over on them.

His far right views were well documented his history. You know, we've talked about he gives all these speeches at the Heritage Foundation that New York Times article I quoted from earlier, where he's like, that's criticizing him for being friends with a bunch of apartheid people and participating in like pro apartheid, like think tank events like that is known at the time he's being criticized for that at the time um, and he also has a nasty history of statements about

things like racial intermarriage and women's rights. There was extreme suspicion at the time that he would be a void vote against reproductive choice on the Supreme Court, and many many people did not fall for his act, and so his confirmation process was contentious and brutal, and some of the ugliest moments during it came to the during the testimony of a former female employee who had worked with him at both the Department of Education and at the E E O C. And now it's time Miles to

talk about Anita Hill. Yeah, you're not gonna nobody's nobody's gonna feel good about this. This isn't like a long Yeah. This this is the road to Anita Hill vill But you know what, it's the road to First Miles Products and Services. Oh boy, Yeah, this is you know, this is a road that you can travel on your car when you replace your catalytic converter, which, by the way, we're just gonna take again. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's why that's winded up right in the pocket, baby, right

in the pocket. You're just at this point stop driving that Prius, you know what I mean? No, you know, I can't want to see us, you know what I mean. That's what I say. Look, man, you can wrap it in razor blades. I don't care. I got gloves like yeah, nobody kind of treasures are inside that thing. Jim's the bloons all for you there inside a catalytic converter. Can you imagine? That's like it's all started as a myth

from a Pirates type. I'm imagining redoing the opening of the first Indiana Jones and instead of that like little head statue, it's like a catalytic converter thing that he's gotta like saw out somebody. Somebody's parked their two thousand eight prius inside a Mayan temple and he's just jacking that thing. Oh yeah, just yar. There be many a catalytic converters yonder and then you go we there's rhodium and platinum inside. Yeah. And in the first Pirates of

the Caribbean movie what's his name? The older Pirate, just like the opening up a chest, Yeah, Jeffrey Rush opening a chest and just like running catalytic converters falling out of his hand, washing his hand in it like it's a cool stream. Exactly. He got the he has the chain necklace. Elizabeth's got like a catalytic converter necklace, and it falls into the ocean and that's what wakes up all of the skelets. And oh, we're the catalytic converter

pirate chest. That's right, baby, here's some ads. Uh, Miles, we're back, Yeah, we're back. We're talking about both catalytic converters and Clarence Thomas. Um. Yeah, mostly catalytic converters over the last minute or so. But you know, I think we can all agree much more relevant to civil rights law than than the Supreme Court is the catalytic converter. Look, I mean, look, we always say liberation through catalytic conversion. That's that's exactly right, Miles. The Supreme Court takes away

rights at the drop of a hat. You can't trust them, you can't rely on them. You can always rely on a catalytic converter to be worth hard cash, you know. And you saw this, look, folks, and thanks so much for coming to this Hilton for this talk. But I gotta say, with the market price right now for metals like rhodium, like palladium, like platinum, Okay, we call those the big three in the Catholic converter business. The tree

you has skyrocketed. Okay, so we're talking. I mean, sir, you can have a new Boston Whaler boat if you wanted within two months. Okay, just hard ground, all right, Just don't buy any Prius because we're getting that cat. No, we are. We are topping that baby out of there. Yeah, you come in that Prius, then you're gonna see us, or you probably won't. To be honest, we're a little more, a little more subtle. Uh So, now it's not to talk about Anita Hill. This is not as fun as

talking about standard Catholic transition. Yeah, what a what a transition. So there's a lot of ink has been spilled on the subject of Anita Hill, Clarence Thomas, what he did, what he didn't do. The gist of it is this Hill was a young black woman who had grown up in a poor but comfortable farming family in rural Oklahoma. Unlike Thomas, she benefited from a strong immediate and extended family who were were very tightly knit and and very

like close to each other in supportive. She had a lot of emotional support from her family yes, coddled, yes, coddled into weakness by having a loving family. She was more or less a political centrist and politically was extremely dedicated to her studies. Most people who knew her will

agree that she was a tremendously ambitious young woman. She got into Yale, she was offered a prestigious job at a major law firm, and she was eventually recommended for a job under Clarence Thomas at the Department of ed Ocasion. So she is a poor working class girl who works very, very hard, makes good, and gets a prestigious job earlier in her career working under Clarence Thomas at the d o E, which is like a big deal for her, um,

would be a big deal for anybody in her situation. UM. And initially she and Clarence have a good working relationship. They're very friendly, but with not in in not a whole lot of time, he graduates to heavy unwanted flirtation and I'm gonna quote from Strange Justice again. Thomas began to ask her out socially three to five months after she began working for him in July nineteen one. According

to Hill, his approach was unusual. Rather than asking her to join him for a specific date or event, like a movie or dinner. He expressed his interest as a casual command, saying, you ought to go out with me sometime. She turned him down firmly. She recalled, explaining that she enjoyed her work and believed it ill advised to date a supervisor. But he would not take no for an answer and dead she testified, and the following weeks he

continued to ask me out. On several occasions, he pressed me to justify my reasons for saying no to him. So that's not that's bad. You ought to go out what you ought to go out with me? You know, you ought to go out with me? That's it? Was he a Jedi? What the fund is that supposed to do? Yeah? This is? This is then you're looking for and he's and he's married at this point. Uh no, no he is, Well when when does he when does he get remarried?

Eight seven? So yeah, this would have been because because they start working in like eighty one. So yes, he's this is he's in between wives, I think at this point. Okay, in between ones. Okay, got you, got you? Got you? Yeah, sorry, I just wanted to where he's yeah, this starts in between wives. Um, so yeah, uh that's not great. Uh. He'll later testified that Thomas never threaten to fire her if she did not date him or anything like that, but that he pressured her so much that it was

impossible for her to like do her job. He talked about sex, constantly calling her into the office to discuss work matters and then pivoting at once to gratuitous descriptions of fucking h quote. His conversations were very vivid. He spoke of acts that he had seen in pornographic films involving such matters as women having sex with animals and

films showing group sex or rape scenes. He talked about pornographic materials depicting individuals with large penises or large breasts involved in various sex acts On various occasions, Thomas told me graphically of his own sexual prowess, mentioning at one point that he had measured his penis, which he said was larger than most. I would say, that's not a good working environment. That's not like you shouldn't like. That should probably get you in trouble anywhere, unless you're like,

unless if you are a porn producer. That's probably appropriate work conversation. I will say that if you are in the pornographic film industry, then that's probably relevant more or less normal conversation. Relevant you're describing work in this you're supposed to be some kind of Yeah, you're the chairman of the E O C. Or you're you're working at the Department of Education. Neither of those are places I

would say that that's appropriate conversation. This is like when you know, like it's so bad too where Yeah, to any person you're like that, you know, you know, no, you should know. You wouldn't if you were fucking driving with a friend on a road trip and they started having this conversation, like you would probably be like, hey, this has to stop. Like this is not I don't

want to talk with you about this. Like I'm not again, very pro porn here, not a prude here, but you know, like somebody if again, if my boss calls me into his office and it's like, you know, I was watching a video of a woman having sex with an animal. Let me tell you about how the horses penis? Would I what I saw it doing when it displaced her belly and like that's like I gotta write these cracked articles. Man, you gotta give me time. Jesus. Wow wow wow, Miles

no comment. That's that's that's that's uh wow. Miles Gray's last appearance on podcast Everybody. So this is like bad. I think it's fair to say bad. Also, describing your own penis, that's really definitely a clear line you shouldn't shouldn't do that to your coworkers. Um. Now, when these allegations came out during the confirmation process, Thomas took an

interesting approach to handling them. Right, So he'll she only spends like a day being question but like, now this comes out and it becomes there's this huge media thing about it. People are making a big deal. But which they should. I'm not saying they're making a big deal about it like it's bad too. This is a problem. Um.

Thomas takes an interesting approached responding to it. Now. The smart play might have been to apologize for making her feel uncomfortable, right, or to say like, I'm sorry, you know I was joking. I'm sorry that my jokes made I'm not saying that's good. I want to be clear here, I'm not saying that would make it Okay, I'm saying that might be the smart play, as like a guy trying to get out of trouble, not at least deny. You know this is a you know, I have this.

I've spent a lot of time working around a lot of guys. You know what's uh, you know we we we we make these jokes all the time. And I was just making jokes with her, like with any colleague. And I'm sorry that I it made her feel uncomfortable, right like that that would be probably what most men in his position would do. Um, again, that's bad. But I'm saying that, like that's the that's the normal, right or societal flow of events typically is like that. He

doesn't do that. Instead, he denies ever speaking to her about sex at all, and he also denies ever having similar conversations within the workplace at any point in time. Now, this is an obvious lie. Virtually every close co worker and colleague of Clarence Thomas has experiences which they later told to Press, many under their own names, of him talking about pornography and making weirdly explicit sex jokes. This

is a constant experience. People who are friends with him and who worked with him have had over the course of decades. Multiple women who have worked with Thomas over the years have recounted identical experiences. Now, I'm not going to go into tremendous detail about Professor Hill. She later

becomes a professor. Now she's Professor Hill. Um. I'm not going to go into a tremendous amount of detail about her allegations, other than to say that they are very credible and they are backed up by the recollections of multiple people that she discussed Thomas's behavior with at the time, and also the experience of like several dozen people who knew him socially and professionally in the years before he

was nominated to the Supreme Court. What I will do is recount for you one more anecdote to make a point of how relentless his inappropriate sexual behavior at truly was.

And here's Mayer and Abrams and Abramson again quote. One of the oddest of Hill's recollections was that one day, when she and Thomas were working in his office, he got up from the table where he had been sitting with her, went over to his desk to retrieve a can of Coca cola, and after staring at it demanded to know who has put pubic hair on my coke? I didn't have a clue how to interpret that. Hill testified, I did not know. It was a strange comment for me.

I thought it was inappropriate, but I did not know what he meant. In the hearings, Thomas sounded equally baffled and defended by such language. Asked by Senator or in Hatch if he had ever said such a thing, Thomas replied, No, absolutely not. Now, Miles, that's horseship, and we know it's horseshit because Meyer and Abramson, being good reporters, went and talked to a bunch of his co workers and we're like, you ever make any comments about like a coke and

a pubic hair to you? And boy, howdy do a lot of people have the exact same experience Anita Hill did, This is like a thing for him. Quote so cool, Yeah, just just let me let me get this through and

then we could talk about it, miles. Quote. Marguerite Donnelly, a senior trial attorney at the E. E E O C. Until she went into private practice in nineteen eighty six, distinctly recalled being told by a co worker in the early nineteen eighties that Chairman Thomas had said, and I thought it was in the presence of several people, that there was a pubic hair on his can of coke. Donnelly says she told her husband Alan Danoff, who was an attorney at the e o C until nineteen eighty five,

about the peculiar comment. When interviewed, dan Off confirmed this. We certainly did hear about it back then, he said. Thomas's aide Michael Middleton, also said that he heard about he heard the pubic hair story associated with Thomas before nineteen eighty five, when he too left the e o C. I have this vision of Clarence at the e o C picking up a coke and saying, who put this

pubic hair on my coke? Recalled Middleton, formerly Thomas's principal deputy at the Department of Education and Associate General Counsel at the e o C and now a professor at law at University of Missouri Columbia. Middleton also remembered telling us why about it at the time During the hearings, He said, he turned to her and asked if she remembered the story, and she told him that she did so. Like that's a lot of people to know about you, like picking up cokes in the office and being like,

why is there a pube on this coke? Like that's a lot of people who have had that who are like, oh, yeah, that's a thing Clarence does. This stupid fucking thing to also be known for. It's a really stupid thing to be known for, a really stupid creepy thing to be known for. Ye, And we're again throughout all these episodes, right, I'm just like we're putting together this backstory of a person who now is one of the most as most

of one of the most powerful people on the planet. Yes, and is can skull fuck the earth people's rights whatever the funk they want with just because because of their

fucking shitty road here. And also somebody who has also been afforded like some of the worst parts of like you know, society, like benefiting from all kinds of ship that also gives him this like terrible sense of potency and like righteousness and ship and all of it's coming together to like you, we're just watching it all play out now that really is kind of alarm and just feels like most Yeah anyway, sorry, Yeah, I would say here, and here's what I would say that it's good. M hmmm. Anyway,

that's the end of the episode. Everything's fine. Look whoms whoms among us? Right has not? You know, everybody's coworkers have stories about them. For example, some of us might have a history of you know, sneaking into people's houses at night and rubbing various poisonous plants on on children's clothing in order to make kids stuffer. Right, Like, nobody's perfect. But yeah, much of jail broken Amazon fire sticks of course,

who hasn't done that? Right? Or offer up you can, honestly, bro for one fifty you'll get all the channels, you'll get access to. This won't plex server, it's real already has Waconda forever on it. And he's not. And here's the thing about Miles is being very humble. Here's the thing he's not going to say about these hundred and fifty dollar firesticks that he's selling. They absolutely will not steal your data so that people can can can make

PayPal payments on what I'm here. I'm here absolutely and I just won't happen. I just I'm only here for the first transaction. I'm going to swipe your data information because just like Clarence Thomas isn't getting on the Supreme Court in order to destroy a woman's right to choose. He's not going to do that. He doesn't even think about that kind of He didn't even think about it, never would never think about it. He didn't even know

about it. Um anyway, Clarence Thomas gets confirmed by the narrowest margins of any Supreme Court justice in history up to that point. I think, still to this day, maybe Kavin I'll beat him. I didn't check on that. I should have. I would have if I wasn't a hack in a fraud. But he gets confirmed, right, That's all that matters. It's like the thing that people say about, like what do you call the doctor who ranked last in medical class doctor? Like he's still he's on the

fucking Supreme Court. Doesn't matter that it was narrow yeah, yeah. Now. It is worth noting that when Hill told the Senate Judiciary Committee about what Thomas had done, Senator Joe Biden insisted her name not be used and that Thomas not be told of the allegations, which seriously limited the Senate Committee's options in terms of actually doing anything about this. Joe has been accused of kind of acting to hush it up. Um, weird, Joe. Good thing that guy doesn't

come up later in the story. Anyway, an FBI investigation was suggested and it was determined that Thomas had done nothing wrong. So they look into it for like a couple of days, and they're like, it's fine, he didn't do anything. Weird, And I guess legally none of this is really illegal, especially since he helped change the definition of sexual harassment in the workplace, was right exactly. Yeah, yet, so that's cool. Uh. Anita Hill gets absolutely savaged by

right wing media. Very few people who have been like more brutally attacked by the right than her. Um, and yeah, it's it's it's an early period of time. Although at this point a majority of Americans when pold say, they believe her side of the story. I'm calling it that not because I think there's actually sides to this, but

you know what I mean. Um, she's been vindicated in addition to the fact that other allegations against Thomas have come out in the years since, Like, she's been extremely vindicated. Professor Hill, you know seems to have have have done her best, and I have nothing but the best wishes for her anyway. At this point, she has been backed up repeatedly by allegations made by multiple women and the

recollections of numerous colleagues. Thomas, for his part, has been the remainder of his life since then, Enraged at liberals for questioning his honor and damaging his reputation, there are claims that he promised to make their lives absolute hell in revenge for what had been done. Whatever the truth, Thomas lost no time in being the worst judge he could possibly be. And I'm gonna quote from the New

Yorker here. In the nine case Missouri versus Jenkins, the Court's conservative majority held that federal courts could not force Missouri to adopt policies designed to entice suburban white students to predominantly black urban schools. Thomas joined the majority and the courts private deliberations about the case. He argued, in the paraphrase of a profile of Thomas and The New Yorker, I am the only one at this table who has

attended a segregated school. And the problem with segregation was not that we didn't have white people in our class. The problem was that we didn't have equal facilities. We didn't have heating, we didn't have books, and we had rickety chairs all my classmates and I wanted was the choice to attend the mostly black are mostly white school and to have the same resources in whatever school we choose. This private sentiment made its way into Thomas's public statement

about the case. His concurrence in Missouri v. Jenkins was the only opinion. Legal scholar Mark Greber argues that questioned whether desegregation was a constitutional value. If anything, Thomas believes that the state should, where it can within the law, support the separation of the races. Looking back on his education in an all black environment, Thomas has admitted to wanting to turn back the clock to a time when

we had our own schools. Much of his jurisprudence is devoted to undoing the Grand Experiment, which he believes himself to be a victim of. As he made clear in nineteen eight six, I have been the guinea pig for many social experiments on social minorities. To all who would continue these experiments, I say, please no more. Oh, my god, when we had our own schools. Wood Oh, He's literally saying separate but equal is fine? What a fucking backwards?

I mean, yeah, everything's back Yeah, going back in time. Yeah, what it's charitable description when we had our own schools, when we had our own schools. Yeah, okay, well that's yeah, it's good. It's good that he's on the Supreme Court. But you know what else is good, miles m goods and services. Yeah, the products and services that support this podcast, you know, including and a lot of people don't know this,

but we are. We are supported by the segregation industry. Um, so hop on down, not even funny Sophie, what do you what do you want? What do you want here? I have to do so many ad pivots. It's a bigger picture thing. I guess he's saying, Yeah, what is it I am talking about? Yes, next is primarily spins all UP put its profits into supporting a return to

segregation laws, for sure. So if you are we allowed to make that claim about no, okay, well, doesn't barrage you with fucking trailers that play even when you don't ask them too. And so if you make the mistake of ever clicking on your your your computer and tea, that Chris has to bleep everything because that's what's happening. You don't have to bleep a factual statement about a company. Sophie and I hate what they do with their fucking

auto playing. It's really sucking, annoying. It's horrible. It's the worst. It's terrible. And that's why the official I Heart Radio stances pirate shows. I'm sorry, Chris for all the bleeps you have to put in. Don't believe that part though. Anyway,

here's adds. Oh we're back. You know. I was just engaging in my hobby, which is taking the profits we get from the catalytic converters that Miles steals and turning them into buying large numbers of flash drives, which I then put torrented copies of the show Stranger Things on, and I just leave them lying around town in a variety of places. Um, I don't watch the show. I haven't ever seen it. Don't don't intend to, just like to help other people pirate. True, you have ranted to me.

You you and hand or Hannah both have opinions on this show. Well, okay, I watched season one, but I've pirated the others and I hand them out to people. You know why I do that, Sophie, because just one time I was having a conversation with somebody and was trying to put on a show that was on and dreamed at me so loud that I felt momentarily uncomfortable, and as a result, I am going to war against them. That's will because earlier you, when I said something you

didn't like, you said you are like Papa. I don't know what that joke means. I love that joke. Miles, Uh, Robert, continue with all the borking that needs to be done with the rest of the script. Yeah, bork out with your corks out everybody. So yeah, Um, anyway, that's Clarence Thomas h anti integration, separate, equal pro guy. This piss is off a lot of people. Rosa Park goes after him. Um, she says at the time, he has had all the advantages of affirmative action and he went against it. Um.

If you've piste off Rosa Parks, you're probably bad. Yeah. Yeah, that would be like what the owner of Little Caesar's like pay for her house. Yes, I did hear that, Yes, and Little Caesars because of that. What's fucked up is that's good marketing. Because and I want to think of Rosa Parks, I think a little Caesar's and I feel bad about that, but I like crazy bread. They're crazy

bread is pretty good. But I have to say, like, if I think about like the things that would make me feel like a dogshit person, having Rosa Parks talk shit about me, like, that's hard if you have any kind of shame, that's that's a hard one to little because it's not like it's not like Rosa Parks is doing like a fucking daily fucking live stream, so or she's gonna have takes on everything. It's like, yo, she had to come off the bench fucking suit up for

this tape at Yeah. So in The Enigma of Claire, It's Thomas Corey. Robin makes the case that over the course of his time in power, Thomas has arrived at a fairly consistent set of beliefs about the Constitution. His constitution, the one that he believes in, is not the Constitution as it presently like exists, or even the one that he really rules on. But it's actually two separate documents. There's the Original Constitution, which is the Constitution as it

existed at the founding of the United States. And then there is the Black Constitution, which is the one that existed after the Civil War and the Reconstruction amendments that bought brought black people into the country as on paper equal citizens quote. Thomas's Black Constitution looks nothing like that

progressive enterprise. Far from making the United States racially egalitarian and humane, far from creating a multiracial democracy, the Black Constitution features a society that is violent, racist, and regressive, a mix of mad max and do the right thing. The centerpiece of that constitution is the Second Amendment, reinterpreted via the Fourteenth Amendment as applying not just to the

federal government but also to the states. The individual's right to bear arms is what Thomas sees as the black man's main protection against a rampaging white supremacy, the critical right that the new constitutional order provides. There are no cooperative institutions of racial equality and democratic mutuality and Thomas's political vision. There are no union leagues, no Freedman's Bureau,

no interracial politics and parties. There is only the defiant black man, reliant upon his constitutional right to arm himself and defend his family against white marauders. For Thomas, the broaden Second Amendment with a attendant vision of a racialized society armed to the teeth is the keystone of the constitutional transformation that emancipation has wrought. Now, that might seem like a bleak vision of the country to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I find that kind of negative. Um, in a lot

of ways. I find that negative as a guy who's like pretty supportive of the right to bear arms. Yeah yeah, I mean it's like maybe it's like mutually assured destruction. There should be no of all rights other than the right to shoot each other. Um, that's and that's all I gotta say about that. It's like, that's not idea. What people do you live within this? Yeah? Um yeah yeah. So you know, obviously, Thomas is very popular on the

far right. A former U S attorney under George W. Bush, who helped write one of Thomas's recent memoirs, called him the quote greatest living American, which is a title you can find in a bunch of Fox News and other right wing articles about him. They love calling him that, but his support of the Second Amendment isn't, Robin argues, based on support for the kind of oathkeeper proud boy

style militias popular on the fascist right today. Quote. When white conservatives think of the white to bear arms, they imagine sturdy white colonials firing their muskets at redcoats and then mustering and militias, or modern day whites gardening their doorways against government tyranny and black criminals. Thomas sees black slaves arming themselves against their masters, black freedmen defending their rights against white terrorists, and black men protecting their families

from a residual and regnant white supremacy. Thomas's McDonald opinion returns repeatedly to scenes of white terror and black revolt. No other justice in McDonald devoted nearly as much attention to the violence of the black struggle against slavery and the violence of the white struggle to restore slavery, and this is again white. Thomas sees the second to speaking to an individual right, and why he's also consistently against bands of categories on categories of weapons like handguns or

assault weapons. This is interesting because it showcases one of the many ways in which Thomas is kind of inconsistent in his Second Amendment jurisprudence. In particular, Thomas has shown a particular willingness to slash through state laws he sees his violating elements of the Black Constitution. But Thomas is also a believer in the White Constitution, which he sees as flawed but possessing valuable characteristics, particularly the tendency to

devolve power back to the states. Robin makes a note of Thomas's opinion in two thousand fifteens Broomfeld v. Kane as particularly enlightening. Here the case was about whether prisoners with intellectual disability should be disqualified from receiving the death penalty. The murderer in this case, Kevin Broomfeldt, had been abandoned by his father as a child and eventually murdered a

police officer during a robbery. In his decision, Thomas contrasted Broomfield's case with the murder victim's son, Warwick Dunn, who was also abandoned by his father. Dunn's mom was killed when he was eighteen, and he successfully raised his five younger brothers and sisters while earning a position in the NFL. Thomas noted that Dunn quote did not use the absence of a father figure as a justification for murder. Now obviously this story is potent father for a lot of

father for a lot of think pieces. But many people at the time noted that it was kind of weird for Thomas to spend so much time on it during his like judgment on the case, because it has nothing to do with the actual murder itself. Um, and it's kind of weird for him to use that platform to randomly contrast to black men when the case is about

whether or not broomfield sentence is just justice. Alito was so weird it out by this, but that even though he agreed with Clarence Thomas on the broad strokes, he wrote a separate dec in order to avoid including this tangent in his argument because he was like, I don't know, man,

that's kind of fucking weird. What Yeah. Yeah, Even Scully is like, dude, I'm sorry, I wonder because if Clarence Thomas again, like you know, like you said, it's chaos in his mind and then he just suddenly like reflectively, it just was like, and the difference between these two black men, yeah, is that one of them? Yeah? Excuse me, that's not what we're talking about, Clarence. Um, oh yeah, right. And and Corey Robbins book makes clear that the rest

of Thomas's descent is just as bug quote. For Thomas, however, it was indeed essential to the legal analysis. At the heart of his White Constitution is a vision of two different kinds of black men, one who wills himself to become a patriarch and another who wastes life his own and others. In the absence of that patriarch, the liberal state Thomas believes would protect the second, his White Constitution

would help to produce the first. Done example, notwithstanding the actively of father is mostly a fantasy figure in Thomas's jurisprudence, a stern man of no particular racial identity, Thomas's patriarch once helmed the republic, instructing, chastising, and punishing his children in the interest of their development as moral beings and good citizens. In the beginning, Thomas proposes in one opinion,

fathers ruled families with absolute authority. That authority was critical to the moral health of the nation, for it fostered children who learned the virtues and values of the republic. And despite changes in the polity and parenting styles over the years, Thomas says, people still believe that parents. Thomas alternatively depicts the authority figure as paternal and parental have

authority over their children. The father is the head of the household, Thomas writes in another opinion, quoting from an earlier president, and has the responsibility and the authority for the discipline, training, and control of his children. That authority is based on the societal understanding of superior and inferior in cases about the rights of miners. Thomas freely drops phrases like the continued subjection to the parental will and

total parental control over children's lives. He's don't like that, yeah, yeah, and again he's like also like making this like dad that he thinks he wishes he had to Yeah that he pretends his grandpa was when he's talking to the right, but it really was just absent from his life, yes, And then trying to like then shape a society where like this dad exists that he like idealizes too. It's so we're all missing a dictator dad, which is like

this is Thomas didn't invent this concept. In Rome, they called the head of the house the head of the family, which was generally like the oldest man, right of like even if you were a kid, your grandfather would be this the pattern familius, right, and you had the right as the father to execute your children at any time. Like that was like a thing in Roman law during the Republic. It is like if your dad, you can kill your kids, like you have that right that that

you have absolutely he talked back to you. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, you didn't hear about it being done a whole lot, but like you have that right. That was considered like the sacred right of not not a parent but a father. Um. And like yeah, there's even like in Rome there was this kind of attitude that like you're not really an adult as long as your dad is still around. Um. There was a whole lot of weird ship with fathers there.

But like this goes back to if you look at fucking German society, there was very much this idea that the Kaiser is the father of the nation, and likewise the father should be the dictator of his family, the the unquestioned regent. Right, the Kaiser is this king that nobody can can can counter or question, and the father should be of the family the same thing, And this is a big part of why the Nazis do so well in Germany later, right, Like there's a lot of Yeah,

they're all in line with the idea. Yeah. So Thomas is very much like speaking as part of a tradition of attitudes towards what the rights of a father should be. Um, he just has decided that that's the core of what America and American law ought to be and what the founders are all sorts of all sorts of good ship, even though you could also look at the entire birth of this country is like the history of a child rebelling from its parent. But whatever, Like, there's no point

in arguing this sort of thing. Um. So, for the first like twenty years that this guy is on the bench, there is a tendency among liberal critics to reduce Thomas to Justice Scalia's shadow. Now, this is due to his reputation as the silent Justice. Again, he never speaks for years. He doesn't say a single word during oral arguments. There's like a ten year period where he never speaks during

oral arguments. Um. And while it's true that he does rule kind of the same way as Justice Scalia on about eighty five percent of cases while they're both alive, this is not really that exceptional or unusual. During the same period of time, Justice Bryant agreed with Justice Kagan ninety five percent of the time, which nobody ever like

talks about. Um. The claims that he was somehow copying Scalia were likely based in racism, and that in fact, people say the same thing about their good Marshal and one of the there's a white justice whose name I'm forgetting that was friends with Marshall. That are like, oh, Marshall just does the same thing as his friend, you know, Like, really, these these are I think both of these counts and

his homework, Yeah, based on some racism. Um, The extant evidence suggests that Thomas really just did truly respect Scalia's ideas and jurisprudence. Since Scalia's death, Thomas has spoken more often in court and has repeatedly cited non judicial writings

by his friend in his rulings. I found it right up in Politico by Professor Richard Primus of some law schooler another, which makes the case that Thomas now basically uses Scalia the way that he uses the Founders as a malleable ideological tool to reinforce whatever point he already wanted to make quote. Much of the time, Thomas will surely deploy Scalia in the name of a cause that

Scalia would have endorsed himself. The two of them did agree on and awful lot, after all, but they were all also always different in the extent and flexibility of their originalism and the degree of their skepticism towards federal power,

and in other ways as well. In the future, Scalia maybe molded to Thomas's own vision, and the longer Thomas serves, the more the Court's agenda will move beyond issues that Scalia directly confronted, thus giving Thomas even more freedom, whether by design or just by doing what comes naturally to him, to shape perceptions of what Scalia would have done. So that's interesting. Yeah, now that's yeah, that's It's like, it's

like what puff Daddy does with Biggie. He's like, you know, it's very puff Daddy and yeah, my homeboy Biggie, you know he's dead, but you'll respect the idea of the concept of it. Yeah, I just want to deploy that from my own purposes. I have often called uh Justice Scalia the Biggie Smalls of the Supreme Court. Um and Clarence Thomas is puff daddy, absolutely no doubt, and Sandra Day O'Connor astop rock not going to explain that one.

Just moving right along. Okay, So I'm not going to spend any more time laboring on Thomas's jurisprudence or the cases that he's ruled on. This is one of those things where like the worst of what he's done and is doing is actually pretty obvious to most people because it's happening constantly, So we we all spend enough time

dealing with that. Mostly, I wanted to explain his background, where he came from, what's going on intellectually, and like what are his internal justifications for the things that he's doing when he tears rights away from people and forces his weird, demented views on the populace, which he will continue to do until something is done to take that

power away from him. Um. So instead of going more into just like a list of his rulings on Supreme Court cases, I think we should close talking about Jenny Thomas. Oh great, yeah, yeah, yeah, you excited for this, Miles. I mean, you know, behind every great porn that's right obsessed Supreme Court justice, I'd love to hear is an equally obsessed, uh porn obsessed person. But I don't know. I'm let's take a look please. I mean, all I know is obviously the latest the reasons he's been popping

in the news. But I definitely and I could I could know a lot more about Jennie Thomas. You're about to so. Clarence met Virginia lamp in early nineteen seven. She was a lawyer from Nebraska, and early on in their marriage she tended to be described as Clarence's opposite. Marion Abramson talked about her taking homeless strangers out to

lunch and describe her sweet, naivete um. When they two first met, she worked for the Chamber of Commerce, where she was the Reagan administration spokesperson against family leave and comparable worth aka paying women for equal work equally right. That's Virginia lamp Is, Like, women shouldn't be getting equal pay maternity leave if they're going to be good mothers instead examples for their kids. She's doing the equal pay equivalent of supporting talking apartheid South Africa as like a

prominent black guy. Yeah, exactly. Um, so she's cool. That's good. Lamp Is obviously very far right, and at one point she was close to join a cult, a group that was basically a cult. And I'm going to quote from Strange Justice here because this is a fun little side story. Miles Lamp was, if anything, more conservative than Thomas her father. Her family, well connected in a well to do had

provided the backbone of gold Water support in Nebraska. Her father, a developer who had built some of the most exclusive gate of gated communities outside Omaha, was a party activist, as was her mother. When Lamp decided to move to Washington, her parents helped her find her first job there, a staff position in the Senate Office of Republican of Republican how Dab of Nebraska. While in the capital, Lamp joined

an assertiveness training group called Life Spring. She became deeply involved in the group, but was troubled in nineteen eighty five when during a Life Spring exercise exercise trainees were forced to take off all but a bikini to the tune of the stripper. As she described the incident, participants were pelted with questions about sex and urged to ridicule

fat people's bodies. I had intellectually and emotionally got myself so wrapped up with this group that I was moving away from my family and my friends and the people that I work with. Lamp later admitted my best friend came to visit me as I was preaching, and I was preaching at her using this tough attitude they teach you. Now strange justice was written back in the nineties and as a result, they don't have a lot of to tail about Life Spring. Um, it's like a soft cult.

It's one of those assertiveness trainings, like Guru training program type deals where you like sit around in circles and like everybody takes turns insulting one person at a time in order to like funk everybody up together and bond the group through trauma. It's one of those good things, one of those good things. But you don't have to live here. Honestly, I have to say this is one case where if no one had gotten her out of the cult, we'd probably be better off. Um, well, it

sounds like she found sounds like she's pretty malleable. That old brain is pretty malleable. Yeah. In nineteen seventy nine, a Seattle woman with asthma died after a Life Spring trainer told her that she didn't need to take her medicine anymore. Uh. In two with seattle Man's family sued Lifespring for convincing him that he was both Jesus Christ and the Devil. So this is a cool group. Um.

So Lamp does get out of Lifespring uh sadly. And one of the first things that she finds after leaving this cult is Clarence Thomas, who she meets at an a d element about civil rights. So that's good from the cult. Right to Clarence. Uh. He gives her a right home, and in pretty short order, the two we're boning, or I'm assuming they're boning. There at least a romantic item. One has to assume the boning follows. Uh. Lamp introduced

Thomas to a church, Truro Episcopal, where she went. It was a popular popular place for arch conservative Reagan Nights and profoundly anti abortion. The rector compared abortion to Holocaust on a regular basis. Over the following decades, Clarence and Jenny would have a life that often wove inappropriately between his duties as a Supreme Court justice and her career. Is a weirdo Republican operative From a write up by

MSN quote. While at Heritage the Heritage Foundation in two thousands, Jenny Thomas gathered resumes for a possible George George W. Bush administration, but Clarence Thomas rebuffed all calls for him to recuse from the Bush v. Gore case decided that the election. Thomas cast the deciding vote in the five

four ruling that made Bush president. In two thousand eleven, seventy four House Democrats vote wrote to Clarence Thomas asking him to recuse from any cases involving the Affordable Care Act because of his wife's work for Heritage, which opposed the law. He declined and voted against upholding the law in two thousand twelve. She's working with the nascent Bush administration before Bush v. Gore has decided. She's trying to

overturn Obamacare. She's trying to overturn the election, said Gay Roth, executive director of Fixed the Court, which advocates for a more open and accountable federal judici judiciary. It's a real Forest Gump type existence that none of the other previous hundred odd Supreme Court spouses have lived. So that's good.

It's good that Jesus that he didn't refuse himself from Bush v Gore Good that she's like a consistent hardcore political activist, and that that doesn't mean he has to recuse himself from anything that would absolutely screened if the same thing is happening on the left. Yeah right, yeah,

Oh you want text messages from January six? I don't know, you know, if my wife is anything whatever you get, yes said, it makes so much so, I mean, just to be flipping for a moment that someone who's coming from like a verbal abuse cult, like goes on a date with creepyl. Yeah, this guy is so cool. He's actually the best, the nicest person I've ever met. He's much better than the last cult that I was in, um, which I don't know. Some people will argue that she's

the one who's kind of leading him around. I don't know. I'm sure they both are shitty people who found each other and who's desired to hurt the world. Come on, a black man just funk up the world on his own, exactly. I think, you know, it's just a case of true love between people who want to make the world worse. You don't need to take agency away from either of them, you know, whatever, whatever is going on. There is just

it's unbelievably horrible. Um, but you know, anyway, Jenny Thomas is now in the news because she was kind of order directly involved in a violent attempt to overthrew the government, overthrow the government and institute a dictatorship. In the days leading up to January six, she sent twenty one messages to Mark Meadows urging him to overturn the results. Help this great president stand firm, Mark, she wrote in one

of them. In response to November twenty four text from Meadows that he was intent on fighting for Trump's victory, Jenny Thomas replied, thank you needed that this plus a conversation with my best friend just now. I will try to keep holding on America is worth it now. The emails don't make clear who the best friend Jenny Thomas was referring to, although she has repeatedly called Clarence Thomas her best friend because he's her husband. Uh yeah, that's good. Um.

That said, she denies all this publicly. In an interview with The Washington Free Beacon, a right wing news site, she said Clarence doesn't discuss his work with me, and I don't involve him in my work. I'm sure that's true. There's more more will be coming out, probably has dropped by the time this comes out. There's like more on her and jan six. This is all and maybe she'll get she might get charged. Like that's not impossible at this stage, given where we are. I don't think it's likely. Um,

but you know people are talking about it. I don't think anything's ever gonna happen to Clarence Thomas other than he will continue to get his way, uh and have some of the real weird conversations with people. Yep. So how do you feel, Miles? Um? Pretty weird? Um, But you know, just I just gotta keep on keeping on. Yeah,

as we say. You know, Miles, what this reminds me of, this conversation between you and I, m is a little a little thing that Jesus Christ said to his disciples when he was preaching preaching on that mountain, Miles, m h. And he said to them, you know, the world is full of the minions of Satan, but you know what will protect you from the minions of Satan is the precious metals held in a catalytic converter. Thank you so much, Get one of them, Get them all. Catch them absolutely,

got to catch them all. Jesus Christ said that, Marko, that's right. But the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth, and the desires for other things come and choke the world, making it unfruitful without catalytic converters. Okay, the word of him, Thanks be to him. Yep, oh, that's so sick. You get the Jesus fish. But like

with catalytic converters, right, that's right. Who ah, you love me so had to pivot away from the darkness for fucking judicial Yes, yeah, what else are you gonna do? So anyway, that's uh, that's Clarence Thomas sick. Thanks uh for making me feel a lot better about this. Actually,

that's how I feel. I feel a lot better about this because you got to know what you're up again, absolutely, and he he is aware of the effect that, you know, the Dobbs decision has on you know, adult film performers, right. You know that is interesting because I wonder if he's like, maybe because his wife's super religious, she's like, I don't know, maybe there's something weird going on there are his ability to watch porn. Now, I don't know, I don't know,

no fucking way, no fucking way. Maybe that's his his thing. He just wants a strong woman to tell him he's not allowed to watch porn and hit him every time he tries to. Maybe that's what gets him off. We don't know. With a rolled up newspaper, Yeah, in a bowl full of corn flakes, all right, right, who knows? Yeah, anyway, you got any plug doubles miles. Yeah, just you know, check out your local mutual aid organization. Check out your

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