Part Four: The Andrew Tate Story

And our guest is Ian Johnson, our wonderful Hi. I hey, Sophie, Ian Johnson, incredible editor, Sophie podcast and furor. Um, I've done that and it's cringe every time. The last note will not. Um. Well, you know we're talking about Andrew em Marie Tate. Uh and boy, howdye m are we talking about Andrew Marie Tate. We just finished talking about Hustlers University. Uh. And we're about to get into Hustlers University two point oh, because Andrew understands branding if nothing else.

But before we get into that, I wanted to talk a little bit. So obviously, while this is going on while he's launching this series of online classes and deliberately courting controversy online by saying like funked up shit about women to go viral. He's also constantly guesting on every

right wing podcast that will have him. Um and because of the world is the way it is, info Wars is the first place he's able to like really get some traction, and he's going to abandon them as soon as he can, like everybody who gets their start out info Wars, because it's a dead end. You want to you want to escape Info Wars and get on. He's going to eventually be interviewed by like fucking Pierce Morgan and ship um, but at first he he's reliant upon them.

And Alex Jones sees the potential in this guy and decides, I want to try and make Andrew a part of my business, which is the thing that that Alex does regularly. And it leads us to this beautiful ad for the supplement line that Alex made branded based on Andrew Tate. Um. So here's an ad for Andrew Tate branded Info Wars supplements. Oh boy, oh this is this is a real treat for everyone to get a job, the man to get a job. They inflate the currency so nobody can exist

in any other way because it's too expensive. The parents are not working all day to school and the Internet and the matrix raise your children. Your children go to school all day and be told things that you may not want them to learn. Then they sit on the Internet and read things and watch things you may not want them to watch. You talked to him for ten minutes. At the end of the day, they go to bed.

You're fighting with your ten minutes against endless hours of the most entertaining programming or the most forceful programming, And school is forceful on the Internet's entertaining, convincing them of ideas that you perhaps don't agree with. I've seen it myself on YouTube. I've seen a guy in America driving his car and his kids were in the back seat and he was our with them an issue and they

was like, where did you hear that? School? He's like, why did the school tell you that that's not true? And his own children are arguing with him because they learned to in school. Have you ever tried to take your children out of school? You'll get fined, You get in trouble. Now your kids have to go to school. You have to give your kids away to the school. If you don't give your kids a way to the brainwashing, you'll get in trouble. As an all starfighter, businessman, motivational speaking,

it is it is like here we go. This is so fin I thought andrew something up. No, just leading us in with like this mix of Christian conservative fearmongering and like divorce dad fearmongering. It's perfect, It's perfect. And then we get Alex let's go. Speaker and philanthropist Andrew Tate has truly earned the title of top G. But there's another title Andrew Tate hold that has enraged the globalist.

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people with no criminal record, dedicated athletes. Alright, that's probably enough. No criminal record, Buddy scares in that video, So first amazing, it's it's lawlessly third of Jake Paul's face. Yeah, did you see the names of the supplements on the Yeah, let's let's go through that. That's probably that's that's probably it was. They were like those names from that Like other video we watched in the last episode was like sheer per per. I don't even know those words, like

sheer perdacity or perspicacity. Yeah, perspicacity, those are like the names of the supplements. And because he's trying to do like a Mohammed Ali thing, right, Like Mohammed Ali would always describe himself and he's very florid off in like rhyming terms. But Mohammed Ali also uh could back up every single thing he said about himself, um, which which Mr Tate cannot um. But it also doesn't matter because it's all about it's all about making making the image work.

So one Andrew Tate's image is working very well. He has become one of the most popular accounts on Twitter, on Instagram, am, He's got a pretty prominent YouTube. He is huge on TikTok. You know, we're talking like millions and millions of followers and combine several billion impressions just in like the top g term on TikTok and ship um. And so he launches Hustlers University two point oh. So

he had been selling a bunch of different classes. He pairs that down and he focuses just on money making schemes. And the gist is this for about fifty dollars a month, you get the classes for free. Um and you also get let into this discordse Sorry, for fifty dollars a month, you get the classes for free, so um um. But what about the fifty dollars a month? Well, sorry, you don't get the classes for free. For fifty dollars a month, you get access to the classes and to a series

of Discord rooms. Discord is like a chat service you can do voice and text chat um. And basically what he's what he is selling is I built this community of people who have gotten rich using my tactics, and if you pay this monthly fee, then you'll get to hang out with us and they will coach you on how to make money and you can watch all of our videos on how to make money too. And he damn it, that's like kind of brilliant on two levels.

And I hate it for it because a subscription model is just passive income coming in every month as long as you can maintain that subscriber base. And now he has other people doing the work for him. He has comity doing the teachings, he doesn't even have to do an actual and the schemes that he's because he has like you get to pick like one of three or four different money making paths to go down when you join Hustlers University. It's a little like a video games

but and they're all kind of boring. Basically, you can choose to either learn how to day trade like do stock trading, or learn how to sell cryptocurrency, or learn how to run like a copyrighting mill where you're basically paying people pennies to write like terrible, shitty fake books to take advantage of Amazon's algorithm and trick people into paying like two dollars for um. There's also a lot the Amazon affiliate ship. A bunch of it involves taking

advantage of like the ways that Amazon works. Um. And it's one of those things if you watch YouTube and you don't have YouTube read or whatever the funk YouTube calls their subscription service, which I don't because I'm lazy. Um, you get all these like shady ads from people telling you, like, I'm going to teach you how to make a bunch of money off of YouTube or off of Amazon, Like did you know that you could get rich, you know, creating Amazon affiliate links or with Audible or whatever. That's

all he's doing. But instead of selling it as like the shady video just on how to make money using Amazon, he's giving you access to this community of of distinguished men who all smoke cigars and post pictures of how much money they're making. Um. And because all these other guys, again, it's it's taking a lot of these MLM tactics where you're surrounding yourselves in this community of other men who are going to be bragging constantly that they're making money.

So you feel like, if I'm not making money, it's not because this video is bullshit, it's because is I'm not hustling hard enough, I'm not taking advantage of all of the great advice that I've gotten. Um, it's it's

it's a pretty clever thing to do. Um. And he does encourages people like post your sales, post which you're making this month, and all of that's kind of gamed and and a lot of it's very scammy in the same way that like a lot of MLM stuff is where it's like, yeah, just post your raw sales, don't tell people what your netta is, don't tell people how much money you had to put into the business to make it work. All that good stuff and take again

is barely present on the actual Hustlers University discord. But what he does do is when he launches this new version of the service, he spins up his media appearances and like all these different right wing podcasts and hustler culture podcasts to push the push the store, and he

He also alters his branding at this point. Earlier he'd kind of been indistinguishable from he'd been kind of at the nexus of pickup artist and all right political weirdo, but he increasingly pivots to positioning himself as kind of like at jacked Rich Jordan Peterson, Um, and I want to play you a video that gives you an example of that. Let's quickly talk about like the red pill to day game guys, and this is why they're wrong,

and this is what they don't understand. Listen to me, and I'll teach you how to get girls on Tinder, and I'll teach you how to go out and get girls at the mall day. If you are walking around the mall all day or you're tendering all day, you are giving out attention and you're giving out more than you'll ever get back. Because you're a man, You're giving

attention out and you don't get enough back. So that's an energy decacit and zaps you love your powers before you know where you're gonna end up one of them little red pill doors. Sitting there with the madness. You're on an alpha bro. You're five ft seven, You're not fucking alpha. How are you an alpha and you're like five ft alpha of wall walk into a fucking rude basketball players multimillionaire six foot five and talking about how

alpha you are because of your YouTube chat. Fucking these guys, even a dream. Alpha has always for the longest period of human I meant capability for violence. That's what alpha has always meant. Apex predator, a little short dude, Lulu Foo. All right, well of course you are. Let's let's just let's not even let's meet, and let's not even talk. Let's meet and let's just measure our heights. Let's take a picture side by side of me and you, and

let's talk about how alpha you are afterwards. Doors So they're giving out energy, they don't get energy back. The correct way to get pussy like I have is to absorb the energy from everyone in the room and then expel it in a fireball, a lightning strike of power and prowess. So all the bitches what a fuck you? And they pray You come and say hello. That's how you get bitches. You don't go and beg them and give energy a way, No, you steal the energy from every other male and then you expel it in a

ball of fucking lightning. What's happening? Find him? Sounds like he's been watching a lot of dragons, Like what the hell is he talking behind someone's cleaning his house? But why is she so close to him? Because he likes to show you that, like that's a big part of his He does this in all of his like a

lot of his videos. He'll make sure that like his cleaning lady or one of his cam girls is like doing a task behind him to like make the point that he's got all these women working for him, right, Like that's that's a huge part of the tape, myth um. But what he's doing here in this video is interesting to me. He's he's deliberately he's he's he's positioning himself as the opposite of both these whiny men's rights activist guys and of the standard pickup artist crew. And he's

all this talk about height, let's talk about alpha's. He is playing two in cells because like he knows that very young men, mostly in their late teens, who are like angry about the fact that girls don't like them and angry about the fact that like they're they're they don't have all of the money and success. They think that they're owed that like that's his that's his business, right, that's his fucking bread and butter um. And is he why is he choosing to like alienate all the short

people He's He's not, He's not. This is actually a two part con And what he's what he's doing here is he's getting them. So I was gonna say, it's like kind of sounds like he's like dunking on exactly who he like is targeting. But I think it's probably like a little reverse. He is doing, yes, some some negging and stuff right to get the to get these

guys riled up. But he's also so if you remember back if I don't know if any of you read Elliott Rogers manifesto Elliott Roger being the first in cell mash shooter. Um, he he talks a lot, and he, like the entire in cell community was formed initially as

a reaction to pick up artistry. Right, all of these guys who uh feel like there's something inherently wrong with their bodies that makes it impossible for them to pick up women and in an unfair way, or that feminism has ruined it Roger was obsessed that because he wasn't like tall enough or white enough, right, that he was

never going to to to get a girl. Um. They shelly when they were like younger, fell into pickup artistry and when that didn't work because none of it works very well, Uh, they became violent, psychopath Like they became violent, right, Like they just they decided like not only was the like pickup artistry a con but all of society deserved to pay for the fact that they got conned by

pickup artists. Andrew recognizes this, and so the first thing he's doing is he is going after the pickup artists, right, and he's going after it in a way that's going to get all these in cel dudes like agitated, but is also going to play to the fact that they realize they're being conned by these people. Um, and I

think that's an interesting choice. And the other thing that he's doing, he starts by talking about how like you're not alpha if you're not tall enough, right that all, but but he's also framing it as like these pickup artists aren't real alpha's because they're not they're not big. And it sounds at first like he's kind of going into this, it's hopeless. If you're not tall, you'll never get a woman. That's actually not the claim that he's making.

I'm gonna you another clip that's kind of an extension of his message that shows how he's talking to these in cell folks after he gets through with the kind of slamming the uh uh slamming the pickup artist crew, and the message that he has for the actual people being taken advantage of by the pickup artist community is kind of liberatory in a weird way. Now, I am genetic gifts. I understand you do not have, but I've I've also worked on my genetic so I didn't just

have them. You know, I worked. But even if you if you did the work I did, you'd still be taught one percent even without the genetics, because you have no idea how hard I've worked. But the point is, if I teach you how to absorb energy from everyone else around you, then you instantly become the most powerful person in the room. So there's not only so much about being big and being strong and having a lamb

boksbout absorbing energy and attention. So you people do not understand and not inn percent of the things people teach you. They teach you how to expel energy. You can expel and lose huge amounts of energy, chasing bitches and trying to make money you don't get enough back, whereas if you can flip the script, then the whole world changes. This is what you need to understand, so that there

He's insufferable, is it? But that's this is worth really drilling into and paying attention to, because this is an extremely appealing message to the kind of young men who are like on the edge of where Elliott Roger was right, these children and are these guys they're they're starting out in the world. Mostly we're talking young white teenagers or not though not exclusively, but like men, and it's it's

hard out there. Obviously, it is still easier to be a man or a white man, it is to be basically anything else, but it's not as as much easier as it used to write. And some of that's because things are less unfair than they used to be in some regards, and some of it's just because the economy has gotten worse. The world has gotten harder. A number

of things, there's a lot of ships gotten uglier. Capitalism has kind of gotten more undeniably brutal, even to the chunk of people who were initially being uh lifted up by it. Um. And so these kids get out there and ship's not as easy. They're not getting handed the things that they're supposed to get handed, and a lot of them turn nihilistic. And the radical right has always targeted men in this age group and socioeconomic group um.

And these are again young people who recognize and some of what they're recognizing, like with Robert Blig's folks, is fair. There's a degree a lot of atomization in our society. It is not encouraged for men to have like intimate friendships with other men. It's deeply lonely. Um, it's deeply

competitive in a way that's really vicious. And these people are suffering, and the Right always has has made a lot of their early recruitments by kind of coming in and finding these men, trying to make sense of their

suffering and offering them an answer. Um. But while the kind of in cell youth culture that has been deeply influential online is super nihilistic, Tate is reaching out to these people, and he's preaching to these awkward nerdy kids with social anxiety, but he's offering them a sense of hope where he's like, yeah, you're not gonna be like me because you're not six three, if you're like five seven, But if you put in the work I've put in, you can still be in that top one per cent. Right.

It's about taking an absorbing energy, and I have these tactics. Your genetics are not the only thing that matters. Right, You can actually overcome that with enough work, um and find a way to to to make money and get you know, women, right, Like that is actually the pitch that he's making, And for the people who are kind of adjacent to these in cell communities, that's a more

optimistic pitch than they've been getting from a lot of people. Again, if you spend a lot of time on some of these in cell boards, it's dudes obsessing with like oh, because of the my chin is only this wide and not this wide, so it's physically impossible for a woman to love me, or like I have this like epicantic I fold or whatever, Like my my nose is this size and so I will never have sex, and like the is a biological reality, and what Tate's actually saying

is the people telling you this are full of ship. But also like, um, I have a tactic for how you can and it just involves hard work. It doesn't matter that you don't have these genetic gifts. You actually can overcome that. And this is when you start talking about Tate on any kind of open forum, right, you're gonna get people coming in and saying some version of

He's the only reason I'm alive. He kept me from killing myself for like I think he's he's talking And this is because as toxic as he is, finding Andrew Tate, if you are one of these young men who might have gone Elliott Roger might be better for you than like falling down the rabbit hole you would have fallen down before him. That's not an necessarily an an accurate statement. He tricks them into having hope. Yeah, exactly. And again the point I'm making here, I am not saying that

he is a net good. He's absolutely not. But when people people who are specifically look like we're kind of in danger of falling into this in cell rabbit hole, if they find Tate, that might be better for them than the road they would have gone down. Now that's a small subset of the folks who are actually encountering his stuff. But when people make that point, it's not there's not nothing there but and it's not because take cares about saving kids. It's because this is how to

get money from them, right exactly. And it just speaks to again how exploited of the whole thing is, because you're already you're going after these people who are already very clearly vulnerable and at a low point, and you're just praying on that and taking advantage of it. And it's just like, yeah, it's just disgusting. It's all disgusting.

But I also think it's really worth understanding the degree to which he understands the online ecosystem he's feeding in, right, And that's why them that, you know, their greatest insecurities don't matter as long as they're you know, they try to be like him and be to man. Yeah, be a top g yeah. Um. One of one of his big lines is you don't have to be handsome if you're scary, which by which he means that like ugly dudes can get women if they're jacked, um, which is

again that's very bad. Although you could argue it's better than you should drive a car into a crowd because you'll never find love. Right, So this is why people make that argument. It's not It doesn't mean that he's a net force for good because spoiler, he is not. He's a terrible person and his overall impact is a ton of harm. But on this specific community, there is an argument to be made, and that's where that argument

comes from. Right. Um. Yeah, And again the idea that like, he shouldn't be deplatformed because he's going to save all these in cells is nonsense. Um, it's just not coming out of nowhere, right, because that is where his money comes from. Right, That's the the group of people he's decided to take advantage of. And I do think in the long run he might wind up having just as much of a negative effect on these kids as to

pick up artists had on Elliott Roger. It just hasn't been going on that on because eventually they're going to see none of what he says works. Right, Like, in the long run, it's not going to work. It's just in the short term less nihilistic than drive your car into a crowd, although it might still end in the same place. But you know who won't tell kids two oh boys. So if he just rolled ads, ah, we

are back. So Tate is kind of where while a lot of his pitch is laser targeted at young men going down that specific in cell rabbit hole, once he kind of captures that demographic again, he's he's an innovator. He starts to broaden his appeal as fast as he can because he wants to reach as many vulnerable young men as he possibly can. And he's he is a

cognizant person of the time that he's in. He's he recognizes there's a lot of movement and there's a lot of cultural momentum behind certain left wing ideas, including criticisms with capitalism. I actually think people don't recognize enough how superficially critical of capitalism Andrew tatas and how much of

his appeal comes from that. And to kind of exhibit that, I want to play a clip from him on the Fresh and Fit podcast, which he is sitting in between like seven or eight women who look like they're all Instagram kind of done up in influencer type people. Yeah, that's bullshit, that's slave mind garbage, feminist racist garbage. Crap that's been putting in your brain that you need to resist. Absolutely nothing to do with Eurocentrists. It's bullshit, it's garbage facts.

You need to resist that kind of ship. I'm telling you the problems with the world today are very, very specific, and I state this without patronizing you. I don't want to patronize you. I'm an old man, I've been around the block. The problems in the world today exist because the people who are in charge of the world have

done a very very clever thing. They've specifically designed the world in which a way that the people at the bottom, because we're all at the bottom, even me with all my millions, right, the people at the bottom are so busy fighting with each other that we never look up and realize we're getting fucked. And the reason and the reason they do that the blacks hate the whites, Republicans take the Democrats, the men hate the women. Eurocentric He said this, you don't have pay gop blah blah blah.

It's all slave mind ship to keep us all fighting amongst each other. Do you think when a billionaire who's black meets a billionaire who's white, they talk about race? No, No, you think they can think a white do you think a female billionaire and a male billionaire meat, they start talking about euro centric ism, feminist fucking garbage. No, stop buying into that ship. It's a fucking trick. It's a fucking lie, all of it. Throw it away, Throw it the funk away. If you want to be attractive as

a female, you know what you need to do. You need to go to the fucking jim just because just because Myron said it, just because Myron said it. You need to be smart enough. You need to be smart enough to not let yourself get triggered by the fact that he just said something you're not used to hearing. That's all it is. That's all it is. So every second of that it is, it is miserable. But he's again, that is a superficial kind of class analysis right where

he's talking about billionaires all have solidarity with each other. Uh, we're all we're all poor. And he's again he's lying about this. He is he is, He's a multimillionaire, possibly multi hundreds of millions of dollars. But you see what he's doing. He he recognizes everyone hates these billionaires. Everyone.

You cannot ignore inequality and the role that it has on Like why all these young men who are vulnerable to my message is suffering, so I have to fucking play to that, right, Um, And and again he is offering this kind of he starts with this thing that has elements of left wing analysis to it, elements of like, you know, capitalism is a con game. The rich are a class, and they have solidarity with each other, and they're trying to keep you guys fighting so that you

don't organize a against them. There's pieces of less left wing analysis there. Um. But then take solution is not dismantled the system. It's not go after these guys. It's treat it like a trap you escape by getting rich and jacked. Right. That's the way that that's the way it is to say. Again, look back to Robert Bli where he's he's very accurately stating, here are some fucked up things capitalism is doing the men. Here are ways

in which capitalism and the patriarchy is harming men. The solution is for men to like go out into the woods and play drums and and learned how to hunt and stuff. Uh not. The solution is for men and women to organize to make a more just society that doesn't harm us in these ways. It takes doing a version of the same thing, like BLI. He's he's diagnosing parts of the problem, and then the thing he's selling you is, here's how you personally can get out of

it by doing this thing that feeds money to me. Right, he's insufferable. He's insufferable, but it works, UM. And obviously other people are pushing pieces of this message on young folks. UM, but his presentation is the most polished he is not. He is a good speaker, and I don't mean that in the you should like the way he speaks. I mean it. And he's effective at speaking and getting his message across. Always the most obnoxious in the room, he's the ladest in the room, and you make sure that

he does. And if you watch him with these UM, these young men, like these other male influencers on their podcasts, he's so good at sucking energy from them, like he actually does know how to do that. He's very good at talk, not just not even talking over them, but at making the focus of the conversation whatever he wants it to be and making himself the person that people are focusing on Um, that's the thing he knows how

to do. Uh. And it's it's it's it's yeah. And I think probably the smartest thing he's done in this whole process is co opt the Matrix movies in his messaging. And that sounds very silly. The thing that Tate does is he basically he positions the matrix is the normal world where you like work for some company forty or whatever hours a week just to scrape by and if

you're lucky, maybe buy a house someday. Um. And the thing that Andrew tells people is that, like, this is what you have to break out of, right, Not not that like you have to make a more equable system, but you have to escape the matrix, like Neo does. And it's just about freeing yourself. Um. And very it's just about getting yourself. Yeah. And once he once he gets kids to accept that idea, the thing he tells them that they need to drop out of school and

spend the money they would spend on college on Hustler's university. Um. That is that is a massive part of his pitch. And again it's it's not hard to see why this stuff is appealing to a lot of young kids. It's married to some of the worst misogyny imaginable too, though. Um he tells young men that like, they should not learn how to cook, that's a waste of time. They should find a woman to cook for them. They should focus on making money. Women shouldn't be allowed to leave

the house. They shouldn't have friends of their own. This is all stuff that take preaches to alongside the stuff that's less fucked up. Intate's ideology women being able to have their own careers and lives is also part of the matrix, right. He starts from this reasonable position capitalism is kind of a con job, and then he pivots to telling kids that the real con is anything that limits the ability of young men to do whatever they

want in any way. And I want to play you now a video that he made to advertise Hustlers University. Two point oh um, because it's it's uh something else. You cannot stop, you cannot give up. You're in the most fantastic place on the planet for making money, Hustles University, and the only person who could ruin that is you. Most of you are happy to be losers. Part time you want to escape. That's why you join. You don't want to be loser anymore. But then that new video

game comes out. I'll just play the video game. I'll just be a loser for two more weeks. Then I'll get back to trying to escape the matrix. It doesn't work that way because you jump in it out of complacency from I'm happy to be a loser and do loser things too. I can't be a loser anymore. When you're jumping it out, you never get momentum. You cannot quit, you cannot give up. You need that momentum to break free.

When a rocket is flying out towards the moon to escape the atmosphere, it doesn't fucking pause halfway up the sky doesn't know. It keeps going. Every single second you're not in Hustas University, there are things happening, conversations happening that you're not watching. Information that could be the one little piece of information you need to break out. It could be that one little sentence that changes everything. You're in Hustas University and you're gonna make money. But it

ain't easy. It ain't gonna be given to you on a plate. You're gonna have to work you're in competition with the entire world. Everyone wants to escape. You cannot be lazy. Okay, that's probably enough. The filming on this is so weird, Like jumps back and forth between his cars. He's like clearly holding an empty mug too. I think filmed in a way that like is meant that they

can cut it up for for TikTok more easily. Um. You see this with like the liver King to a lot of these guys will their longer YouTube videos will have kind of a weird vibe because they're mainly filming it to cut it up for TikTok um. But you see here he's like there's this fear of missing out. You're not doing enough. You've got to break like free.

You're in competition with everybody else. Um. And it's it's it's interesting because when he's when he's talking this stuff, Um, it's extremely modern, and it's it's almost a political right, Like there was not a thing in that that is like you could super define as like a particularly political rant.

Tate is a very political guy. And when he gets into his opinions about like women shouldn't be allowed to leave the house, you realize he's actually kind of like a traditionalist religious fundamentalists, which we will be building towards. But he's smart enough that he doesn't get stuck in the traps that a lot of religious fundamentalists fall into trying to reach out to young men. He doesn't start with any of that. It's stuff that kind of comes out later in some of his other rants um and

and he gets this there. There will be moments where you can he will make these arguments about stuff like military service that actually wouldn't seem out of place if you're listening to some like left wing bread tuber going on a rant. I want to play you this clip here, because again, it shows how much he's kind of separated himself from the traditional right wing grift sphere, or at least the traditional conservative grift sphere. I think, I think

you're a fool. You gonna go die for what, Biden? I'm trying to protect American freedom. Yeah, you're gonna protect the freedom of those people in Nebraska by going over to Yemen and balmbing some thirteen year old farmers. Great job, Stupid, You may protecting nothing but profits for companies that don't care about you. You You should only protect yourself and your boys. I thought for myself. Again, the world champion got some money. You never get any money. Your leg blown off, walk

around one leg? Mr Limpy, Mr Limpy g for what for? Biden doesn't care about you. Don't be stupid, don't be dumb. I'm pure as much I'm joining us say that's a Again, first of all, you should only protect your boys. Made me audibly vomit, But that's how we work here at cool Zone. No no, but just like him going like firm anti military and anti Biden, like you're you're clearly

you clearly know your audience. Yeah, it's these it's these kids who grew up right after because like I mean, Ian and and Sophie and we all grew up kind of right in the wake of nine eleven and all of that, Like where the military was this like sacred,

uncriticizeable thing in mainstream American culture. That era is past, and it's i mean, obviously in the UK it was always a bit different, but like that era is well passed and you actually you can get I mean, Trump did versions of this right when he would talk about how you're like a loser if you get injured for your country. It would always all these democrats who are stuck in like two thousand six would always get like

this has to be the end for him. Look, he he told people that like injured veterans or chumps, and it's like, no, it doesn't matter, Um, they're perfect. People are perfectly willing to say that they are chumps because the this could like modern conservatism, the modern right is so purely focused on the grift and on personally sucking as much money out as you can from people around

you that it doesn't matter. Tait realizes that there's no need to be ashamed of this thing, and it can draw in folks who are like open to listening to these kind of left wing arguments. He starts to make one there where he's like, all you're doing joining the

military is murdering kids and Yemen. You can find versions of that and like Marxist like influence and influencer YouTube brands, and it would be so curious to know like the specific things that he uh watched and read where he's like, like, what what specifically he learned? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's yeah exactly. I think he spends a lot of time and he says he spends all of his time

online like he's working on the time. I think a lot of I think a lot of it is he's paying attention to what's going viral whare and he's not just paying attention to what goes viral on the right. And one of the things that happened when he got arrested is you had all of these left wing weirdos online, guys like Vosh is the one that I remember most specifically being like, well, you know, Andrew Tate's bad, but the left needs someone like him who can speak to

young men in this way. And it's like, well, all he's doing is he's he's using these he's using his bait, little pieces of left wing social analysis and class analysis in order to get people on the hook. And then he's trying to sell them on turning their fifteen year old cousins into uber drivers. Like that. That is all that is here. There's there's no need to replicate this. He's not actually offering people anything. He's just the thing

that he's promising them. Rather than like the grinding act of trying to reform the world in a more just way, he's promising them you can get a Lamborghini. Well, yes, that's always going to be a better pitch to a lot of people than if we all work hard and fight like hell, we can make the world more just. Um, but you can't. There's no like, there's no replicating what Tate's doing because the only thing he's promising is a chance at like winning the lottery basically, right, Um, that's

not actually a thing you should shoot for. That's my opinion here. Um. So all of the videos that I've been playing for you, nearly all of them, um, come from fans who will compile clips of his various interviews and podcast appearances and put them up on social media. Since Tate has been banned for most platforms, this is the only way his content gets out. But more than that, it's part of a cohesive media strategy. That's how he became famous in the first place. Tate built his empire

knowing that this would happen. And I'm gonna quote from The Guardian here. Since January, repackaged videos from interviews with Tate over the years have been attracting leans of views on TikTok, but in recent weeks this growth has accelerated. In August so far alone, clips tagged with his name

have been watched more than a billion times. The posts do not come from Tate himself, who does not appear to be active on the platform, but from hundreds of accounts, often using his name and photo, run by his followers. Members of Hustlers University, members, including boys as young as thirteen, are told they can earn up to ten thous dollars a month through lessons on crypto investing, drop shipping, and by recruiting others to Tussler's University, earning a forty eight

percent commission for each person. They refer to have the best chance of getting people to sign up. Their advised to stoke controversy to improve their chances of going viral and one guy at Hustler's University. Students are told that attracting comments and controversy is the key to success. What you ideally want is a mix of sixty seventy fans and forty haters. You want arguments, you want war. And this is the thing he did that's brilliant um or

mid two there was this thing. Are all of these left wing influencers and liberal influencers and media people found out about Andrew Tate and for weeks you could not miss him. He was he was everywhere. All of these mainstream media people like Pierce Morgan interviewed him. There were a couple others. Someone at CNN talked to him. I think like there were all these and all of them were condemning him. All of them were attacking him. A lot of them were making fun of him and trying

to show him as a loser. All it did was making millions of dollars. This is why when people were celebrating, like Greta dunking on him, I was like, guys, this is how he got rich. Thankfully he happened to get arrested after that, but like, this is how he got rich. The only reason that we're doing these episodes now was number one. I think the strategy, the whole sweep of it is important. I wasn't willing to do something like this until I thought there was a good chance he's

not getting out of fucking prison. Um. I mean, we'll see, he might still come back to it, but I figured it was worth doing at this point. It's interesting that like his reach where he was going on literally CNN, but also was doing like he did like an interview on a Fit and Trim podcastcast, but also like he did an entire interview on this like TikTok teen teen

show with Barstool Sports BFFs. They we'll have a clip from that in a sense where it's like where it's like yeah, and that's the thing, like everywhere, just unbelievable. He doesn't have a TikTok and he's like the number one guy on TikTok or was for quite a while. Um, and that's that's Uh, there's brilliance in that he this was conscious. He didn't look into this. This didn't happen

by accident. He realized once he gets a hundred thousand or so people, it's like, if you've got a hundred thousand people in your discord thing following you and you can get them all posting. You get fifty six people a day posting clip mash ups of your interviews. Some of that's gonna go viral. It's gonna be and it's gonna go fucking and the algorithm will help carry you. Um. And again he part of this, he didn't come up like this is part in part based on the fact

that he pays attention to what's been happening. So we notices Alex Jones has guys like Kanye on because he knows that they're going to do provocative racist ship that the media will cover and that'll get his name trending. Even though he's not on social media. He observes this

and then he goes more proactively after it. Right. Um, what Tate's done is he's taken the logic and the sense of personal investment that you get in a pyramid scheme or an MLM, and he's given his followers a vested financial interest in getting his content trending around the world.

And this worked incredibly well. Um, the sudden rush of attention tate stuff gotten twenty two drove tens of thousands of mostly very young men to Hustlers University and the war Room, which is his even more exclusive discord that costs five thousand dollars a month or five thousand dollars total to join. Now, both platforms have strict requirements for

their membership. If you pay five grand to join the war Room, you're warned ahead of time that you could be banned for any reason, uh costing you five grand if you displease Andrew Tate. So you're going to be invested in keeping him happy meanwhile actively evil. And one of the things you told if you join Hustlers University, he tells you, if you don't pay every month for this, it means you're not committed enough to succeed and are

definitely going to fail in life. I can remember him doing like a call in show where like one guys like, yeah, I think I need to take a month off from membership to buy my mom my birthday gift. And he's like, well, if you weren't a failure, you would have made that money already using the skills you'd learned here. Um. And what they do if you if you miss a month of payments on Hustlers University, you're not You're not. You're not.

You are siloed off to a separate discord where the only thing posted in there is screen grabs of the other members profits. Oh my god, they want you to find a way to get the money exactly. Yeah. Um, And I'm going to continue with a quote from that Guardian investigation We Can Do did an anonymous experiment with a blank account set up for a teenage boy, and we're quickly shown content of Tate after watching two of his videos, we were recommended more, including clips of him

expressing misogynistic views. The next time the account was opened to the first four posts were of Tap from four different accounts. In one video, posted from an account with Tate's name and face, he describes a matter of factly, how he expects his girlfriends to behave I inflict. I expect absolute loyalty from my woman, he says. I ain't having my chicks talking to other dudes, liking other dudes. My chicks don't go to the club without me. They

are at home. This tactic has worked extremely well, and the way that social media functions has ensured that all the hate Tate receives does nothing but make his brand stronger. In mid one, basically every liberal and left yeah, I already talked about this, but yeah um. After he gets kicked off of social media, subscriptions to Hustlers University only increase um. Screenshots posted online showed that Hustlers University two point oh had about twelve thousand subscribers in March of

two when kind of Everybody started attacking Andrew Tate. By July it had seventy seven thousand subscribers, and at the start of August, there were a hundred and twenty nine thousand followers. By the end of August, he starts to get even more media attention, and his affiliate program that incentivized subscribers gets discontinued um, which costs him a bunch

of people. So like near the end of that month, he goes down by like thod or so, but that's a temporary loss, because by September he's back up to a hundred and sixty thousand subscribers UM. In October, BuzzFeed observed more than two hundred and twenty one thousand users in his discord server, which is Hustlers University two point oh um. Since all of those people were paying month, that means he was making eleven million dollars in October alone just from his discord. Holy sh it, that's crazy.

Yeah and yeah, and you know he's not paying taxes on and he's already told you you shouldn't pay taxes on your ship. Break the law right point now. I I think it's important to see the way a lot of young men react to and imitate Tate, because it could be easy to just miss him as just another weirdo right wing guy. Online if you don't see that, So I'm gonna play you a clip. This is of some kid I think they're eighteen. Uh, this is their

TikTok uh. Watch this. Pay attention to his mannerisms. You've all seen enough Andrew Tate now to recognize Tate. They will think that it's so hard to break the matrix. And I'm here to tell you it's not. Like I made my first million dollars last year, and in the past twelve months, I was able to turn that one million dollars into five point six million, eighteen years old. By the way, and I'll tell you this right now. I didn't do this by listening to know brokey teachers

saying steady steady, steady steady for your degree. Fuck your degree. It is not hard to create your dream life. Like, once you make that first you are out. And if you follow the steps that I give you would actually take action and make that first one under k and I'll blow it on a fucking penthouse or a lambo. You will be out. So stop waiting and join us. People think that it's so hard. So yeah, that's like

this is literally like clable. Yeah, yeah, it's right down to like the facial expressions and stuff, and he's and even like he's doing kind of a weird like semi British accent thing in there or somebody. I don't know, maybe the kid is British, but like every and he's doing Like the term brokey is one that evolved within the Tates hanture. Yeah, that's like the thing. By the way,

brokey is like that's what they tell you. Take people tell you, like call your teachers that tell you, like the adults around you who tell you not to obsess with Andrew Tates style hustlers, brokeys because they're not multimillionaires, so they're losers. If you argue with these people online. The question they're told to ask you was what color is your Bugatti? Um, By the way, the color of Andrew Tates bugatti now is he doesn't have one because

it's been confiscated by the Romanian government. But this again you see why this is like I mean, just for a little to like personal context. When I was nineteen eighteen nineteen, like I started working, and it sucks, like working for minimum wage and trying to afford an apartment was a lot easier fifteen sixteen years ago. When I

was doing it, but like it's still sucked ass. And the thing that I wanted more than anything was to like figure out some job that would let me work from home doing something that wasn't miserable, which is like how I started my career in like tech journalism and ship, and like that was my my sole motivation was to not have to spend forty sixty hours a week being miserable in an office in like for someone else's profit. I didn't want to have to do that. Um, And

like I get how powerful a motivator that is. And there's again this kid that we just saw, Like part of what he's saying is like these teachers who tell you to study for you degree, that's not going to help you. And for a lot of people, he's right. I know a shipload of people who got to fun in college degree and it did nothing but lock them into debt. There's there's a reason why kids are vulnerable to this ship, and it's because doing things the quote

unquote right way is often deeply unpleasant. Um, it's just that all Andrew Tate's going to get you to do is give him money. He's not going to teach you how to escape this system because you can't escape it. Like, even if you think that you've escaped it because you've gotten a decent job, you're still latched to it one way or the other. Like it is still dragging behind you, which is why we need to kill it with a spear. Um. But anyway, that's that's ads time for some ads. Ah,

good stuff. So I'm like, good stuff. Not sure are you going to ask how we're feeling? How are you Feeling's everybody doing? Everybody happy? Sad and concerned for I'm hearing happy. Um, that's good. Tell us more so. In the weeks before his arrest, Andrew was trending and what is a legitimately fascinating direction. He announced at the start of December of two that he had converted to Islam. Now there is a whole video. There's a number of them. But I watched a whole video with him and some

like weirdo Muslim scholar. I don't know that this guy is a It's unlike the one Islam network, which has one point seven or four million subscribers, this video has one point six million views. The guy is Mohammed hijab Uh. I don't think he's a good person. Um. And I'm certainly not saying that he actually knows or actually is as an expert on Islam. I don't know. I'm not

certainly either, but boy, this video is gross as shit. Um. So he Tate starts by like saying that he had converted to Islam because he decided it was the only real religion, right, all of the other religions have been cutted by the Matrix Center. Fake. Um. And he claimed he to be an atheist, but then he saw evil and that that convinced him of the existence of God. And then we get to my favorite part, which is the only thing that's entertaining in this video and not

deeply depressing angus time. You know, I've never been to like a music concert, and people ask me why. I just look at it and I feel embarrassed. I look at someone up on a stage dancing around, and I look at hundreds of thousands of peasants in the crowd. Yeah, yeah, I'm like, it's embarrassing. I'm I feel cringe, just like

secondhand embarrassment. When I see these festivals and everyone's losing their mind or these music concerts, I genuinely feel embarrassed for the people who go, because to me, that is a form of worship, Like you can listen to the music at home for free, You're like, you don't have to wait in that line and stand out in the cold. Like I don't know, perhaps it was a big extreme, but I've always known that they're trying to give us

false idols to some degree. And when I speak to atheists, atheists like, oh, I don't believe in God, but they they've signed up so hard to the liberal woke agenda. There as religious as anybody, but they're just believing in the wrong things to believe. So I think that's interesting because what clearly has happened here is that Andrew Tate is a deeply malignant narcissist. And if you go to a concert, part of like what people get out of a concert is losing themselves in a piece of another

person's creation. And that would mean that the focus is not on Andrew Tate, and he's simply not only can he not enjoy it, but it makes him sick to see other people be a focus of attention. Like live music is one of the greatest things we have. This is the single best thing that our species has created like. Um, but Andrew, I do think it's funny. But if people are looking at Dula, that means no one to Andrew Tate. Yes. Um. Also, there's definitely videos of him at concerts, but at least

that's beautiful, it's very funny. It's also worth noting that Andrew Hate and Jeff Bezos are buddies in baldness and not understanding the gift of songs. So that's that's what it's neat that they have that in common. They also both like we're really tight pants, which they also both like to wear really tight pants. That is correct, although I I gotta say this, Uh, Jeff Bezos gave up half of his fortune in the divorce, and I don't

think that Andrew Tate would have done that. So yeah, definitely not so Anyway, Tate was arrested right before the end of two alongside his brother Tristan and two Romanian women, one of whom was a former Romanian police officer. Um. Some of the articles I found that are Romanian have will say that the women were branded by him. Um.

This is not entirely accurate. They're saying this because of like nexium, right, because the second season of The Keith Renierie Dot came out and those women had been branded. The realities that they have Tate's girls tattoos, which we know exist. I've seen pictures of them on a number of different women, and that's weird, but that is not branding. People get tattoos, people get tattoos with dudes names on them.

That's not like, it's not branding and branding somebody dramatically. Yeah, again, the guy is deeply abusive, but he is not like that. I have not seen any evidence these literally branding women. They just got tattoos of his name, which is like weird, but not what Keith Reniery was having women do. Um. It is too early for me to comment in much

detail about the allegations against him. Um. We do know that at least two women I think it's up to four now have accused one of the Tates, and we don't actually know which of the Tates with physical and sexual abuse. In addition, both Tates are accused along with those women, of sexually trafficking a number of women for their webcam business. We think he throws his brother under the bus to say of himself one million. I think there's a good chance. I don't think Tristan would. Tristan

I think is kind of not. Tristan is a giant piece of ship, by the way, But like I think that Andrew would throw Tristan under the bus before Tristan with row Andrew under the bus. Although I'm open to being surprised. Here um for a little bit of context

on the crimes, I'm gonna quote from readers here. The Directorate for Investigating Organized Crime and Terrorism said the suspects appear to have created an organized crime group with the purpose of recruiting, housing, and exploiting women by forcing them to create pornographic content to be seen on specialized websites for a cost. It claimed that the men recruited women with the pretense of romance and the lover boy method before being forced to perform in pornographic content under the

threat of violence. Instaget investigators are reported to believe one of the performers brought in forty five dollars a month or forty pounds a month, but received no payment, and while the women were kept under house arrest. Take claims the women kept of the fees earned and that most of the girls ended up being multimillionaires, and look, Tate

has his claim here that's important to note. But we know that in his Hustler's University video he recommends getting people to work with you in a gig basis and then lying to them about how much money they're making so you can take it. Also, I I think there's reason to believe the Romanian authorities on this one. UM. Now, the prosecution doesn't just have that, they have audio that likely some of it I think came from a wire tap. Some of it seems to have been recorded by one

of his victims. UM. Some of this audio has been leaked to apparently been leaked to local Romanian news sources. Most of the translations of that I found have been from Romanians on edit on Reddit. I'm not going to quote directly from it because I just am not certain

about the providence of all of this yet. But some credible Romanian news sources are reporting that, based on these these leaked conversations that the prosecution has Tate openly discusses using the women who worked for him to launder money and talks about the fact that he is committing crimes. He does this very openly. They have him recorded talking about the laws that he's broken because as smart as he is in terms of how to like get himself

going viral on TikTok, he's not comprehends. Again, like everything ab out Andrew, he's not as good as he thinks he is. Uh and in this case, it seems to have bitten him in the ass. Um. Now, it is worth noting that Tate's house had been rated like six months before his arrest, so he was aware that the police were on him. It's kind of baffling to me that he did not, and it maybe it shows his arrogance that he didn't try to flee the country with

his assets or as much of them as possible. Um. And instead he kind of seedd his fan base with comments about the fact that he was likely to be arrested or killed. This is sort of a John McAfee and I'm sure that's who he's copying from. Here. Um, here's a clip from a fan video I found with nearly seven hundred thousand views at the time of publication of this episode. This right here is one of my audiobooks that I own. It made a Spanish for kids,

and I don't even speak Spanish. Okay, guys, I paid dollars, he replied, the audio and I just uploaded the file too audible. But what's amazing about that's and for each sale. So again, part of why Andrew is because this is he He will tell you how to do a version

of this scam and sold a million other people. Part of why take gets away with what he's doing is we have built a culture in which every single mass media organ is largely supported by a variety of scams and cons designed to suck money from people and provide them with nothing. Including That's how YouTube makes its money. This is a huge amount of YouTube's advertising, like is

ship like this. That's why Andrew is able to maneuver and act is that our culture has created the space where it is all nothing but a series of cons from the top to the bottom. Anyway, let's let's watch this video now of him talking about how he's going to be murdered for cracking the matrix to All I'm trying to do is teach men to be strong. If they decide to kill me on a long enough timeframe,

they're going to be successful. But I can't. I don't want to live in fear because what did I say in the earlier tenant, if I become a coward, I will live in fear and it breeds an action is amazing. I want the world to know that absolutely never ever kill myself under any circumstances. Ever, no matter what they say, I did not kill myself. I don't want to be seen as a threat to have to die. I want to be seen as a positive. I'm gonna tell you

right now. Andrew absolutely would commit suicide if he thought he was never going to get out of prison, just like John McAfee did. Just like Look, narcissists do this all the time. He's just hoping that he can rile people up, get folks angry, maybe inspire some violence on his behalf. Again, this is a pretty This is part of the playbook where he's not being creative at all.

He's just doing a John McAfee, literally doing a McAfee. Yeah, now, true, toul and I hope he I hope he does the full McAfee by the way, um um true to form. Immediately after his request, someone with access to his account posted a link to Hustlers University three point oh, which is the newest phase of his all. He had just

launched this before he got arrested. Now Hustlers University three point oh lives at the link joined the real world dot com and on the website is a video made with clips from the Matrix and some other movies, alongside clips of Tate and clips of other YouTube stars attacking him because he was like on Logan Paul Show. And then when he got arrested, Logan Paul pretended that like he hated him. All this good stuff above the video is the text It's time to wake up Neo join

us a mass wealth escaped slavery Hustlers University. University. Hustlers University want to learn about Hussel's University. There's a bunch of rooms to go into and those rooms have a millionaire professors taught by a million that awesome questions. They give you everything on a silver planet of my impossible to not my moning if you follow up what they see. Not only having contact with actual multimillionaires, being part of a community of students helpeat back. It's a community people

that are there for you when you mad. For one thing, I've already made my money back after the first day. I've made five K this month. If I'm just joining, that's fucking crazy. I made four k in my first month. I made two thousand bars in to two weeks. At fifteen, I just made the bucket twens euse dollars and great, so so fucking cheap all at all, I made about three thousand dollars. Like, let's to match my nine income.

I shadowed that by five times. That will add days where I made two or three thousand dollars, And that's like what I used to make in a month will allow me. There are so many guys in this video. UM, we probably saw like fucking close to a hundred of them in that first series of just like different clips of people talking about their experience with Hustlers University. Again, hundreds of thousands of people who have paid him money directly and have joyed. All of these dudes are still

on Hustlers University. It is still functioning as far as I have heard, UM and presumably still deeply invested in Tate's success. Like this is not a problem that's over, um, and it is. You know, we don't we don't know the court case. Andrew and his brother basically have not actually been formally charged yet. UM. As a publication of this episode UM, or at least as of the recording

of it. They are on a thirty day hold too, while the Romanian court kind of gets shipped in order to see what they're actually going to charge them on. Some of this is just that, like Andrew's obviously a flight risky his whole videos about all the private jets that he has access to. UM, so we'll see. I think there's a chance Andrew has played his last cards, although I think there's a chance he winds up getting

out and this has another ugly chapter UM. But there's a very good chance he's going to do serious prison time, like ten plus years in Romania. UM. And however, Rabbit his fan bases. Now, if he spends years in prison, I think that will dull his appeal. UM. For one thing, it will make him look like a loser. But in the here and now, all we are all left with the problem of all of these fucking people, these young minds,

these weirdos, these kids that he's influenced. Multiple schools, particularly in the United Kingdom, have had to hold classes and seminars on de radicalizing teenage boys who fell through Andrew Tate. And I'm gonna close this episode by reading a quote from one of those articles in the Times of London.

His initial tract attraction to young people, said one teacher, was often his advice around being confident and financially successful, and from there he capitalizes on a post me to anxiety with comments such as females don't have independent thought, they don't come up with anything. They're just empty vessels waiting for someone to install the pro gramming. J Jordan, a teacher in Dundee of five years, said the recent

interest in Tate had made boys more hostile. You used to have to deal with sex as stuff, but now it's explicitly connected to Andrew Tate. The boys do not stop talking about him, she said. In one class she reprimanded a fourteen year old You're just a woman, he responded. Jordan seven said, we've definitely gone backwards and it is worrying. And that's the fun place to end the the Andrew Tate cast the tape episodes. How are we? How are

we doing? Gang? That's just like I said before, it's I'm scared because there's like hundreds of thousands of boys and young men who think like this and like they're they're not They're not in jail, They're not going anywhere, you know. So like that this mindset and this ideology is going to continue to be proliferated. And it's it's pretty it is terrifying, and it's it's worth noting again

people talking about, like what's the lution. Is throwing him in prison the solution, and like, no, throwing him in prison is a tourniquet. Maybe, um, I think it might stop his ability to grow the way that he would have grown if it hadn't. Um deep platforming was a total failure in this, Like kicking him off of ship did nothing but increase his reach and his profitability because of the quote unquote controversy that got you. And the

thing to blame here, there's a couple of things. Number one, the structure of social media is to blame the structure of social media in order to stop and Andrew take it's not getting better a to arresting these guys. It's changing the structure of social media to not reward the kind of conflicts that he deliberately incited. In order to the fact that like, if you do something super fucked up and racist and people get angry about it it increases your reach on every social media app that exists.

Is a huge part of the problem. Um. And the reason why that will not change is fundamentally, that's how all of these people make money, whether they're the good Twitter, the bad elon Twitter Twitter, they all made their money by making people fight, or by not making people fight, but by sharing things that would make people angry so that they would engage in fights. Um. That's a big

part of what Andrew Tate recognized. The other thing is the entire structure of the system that we live under, rewards, cons and grifts. It is all figure out what the latest. As technology increases, there are more opportunities to run versions of the same old MLM scam that will not be recognized yet by the government as illegal. Right, So you get in there as fast as you can, and you make your money and then you fucking escape. Um. And

this is the way. This is the fucking cryptocurrency thing, right, This is all that n f T ship. It's this, this the new scam that is really just the old scam dressed up in enough of a code of paint that nobody recognizes that like no, none of like the law doesn't recognize it for a couple of years. That's all Andrew has ever been doing. That's all he is

purporting to teach you, um. And he just was sloppy enough with aspects of his life and that that he wasn't able to keep doing it long enough, right, Like, the only reason he got caught is that he bragged about breaking the laws in Romania and that they weren't going to punish him. And also he was too good at becoming famous. If he had stayed a few levels lower than this, if he'd stayed at like that Alex Jones level or whatever of of social media influence, even

he probably would have kept getting away with it. But he was so big that it created such a fuss um, and the Romanian government had to be like, well, look now he's bragging about sex trafficking, and the euse angry at us because we already have this problem. Let's destroy this guy's life um in order to uh, because he basically forced us to write. If he'd been a little bit less of an idiot, a little bit more careful, he would have gotten away with it for longer, and

the next one probably will um. Although maybe all of these guys because their narcissists are unable to kind of pull back from the ledge before they go over it. I guess that's the optimistic thing. Maybe fundamentally, the kind of guy who can do in Andrew Tate is always going to be so much of an egomaniac that they can't stop themselves. I don't know. Yeah, I think the way that he's reached his audience should be examined, and

that uh, it's it's truly terrifying. It's truly terrifying the reach that as and that the Internet basically has rewarded him for it. Um. I hope these days in jail for a long time and fizzles out, But as we can see, Andrew Tate clones will just keep popping up. Yeah. Yeah, And that's that's a scary thing. Like somebody else who can can just like study this model, find the holes in it and patch it up and then you know, you got your next Andrew Tate, you know, four point

oh or whatever. And that's what's scary about it is as long as our current social media ecosystem, this and and the way news is covered, you know, the as long as that model exists, somebody is just gonna keep finding ways to exploit this and and do the same thing. And uh yeah, it's it's scary. It is scary. But you know what's not scary, you're plug Dobles. That's you Ian. What do you got uh m hmmm, Uh yeah, I

would just say, um, I don't know. Yeah, cool Zone Media, great team, great great people, great podcasts, and um oh tennis, I'll plug tennis. I'm really into I'm just starting um to play and I'm excited to get out there and get better. Australian Open is going on right now, so it's a good time. Yeah, I would like to plug that. Live music is beautiful and uh Andretete can go fucking self atqual Zone Media and all the things Robert youo many things specifically you would like to plug. Um. Yeah,

I have a book called After the Revolution. If you just google a k Press After the Revolution, you can find it and buy a physical copy. Uh. You can also just go to a t r book dot com and find the e book for free, or just listen to the podcast of the same name, so check that out. I have a sub stack it's shatter Zone. Uh. Just google shatter Zone sub stack and you'll find that I'll get another thing up there soon anyway, that's me. Um. You know you could you could start calling me top

G if you wanted to, Sophie. Do we think that's a good marketing term? Okay? Well what if I do my Boston accent and I try to teach kids how to how to make their twelve year old cousins illegally labor for them without payment. I don't know, there might be something more, Robert, Well, thank you, thank you, Ie, and thank you for believing me. Would you like to join my discord for five let's see it? Alright? Alright, alright,

well everybody, I've got a new con to get off to. Um. So everybody have a great day, um and feel better than you feel listening to this episode. Bye Behind the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media. For more from cool Zone Media, visit our website cool zone media dot com, or check us out on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.