Part Four: Jimmy Savile: Britain's Unending Nightmare

One of the things happening at the time is that in this period of like mental health history in the UK, there's this kind of belief that you have a girls or kids in general, who are having specific kinds of problems that are like troubled mentally to a significant extent. In some cases, it's best if the state treats them

rather than their family. Right, And Duncroft is an experimental facility which sought to use psychotherapy too, as Davi's rights for in his book In Plain Sight correct the behavioral defects of the girls placed in its Care. Duncroft was specifically a school for troubled girls who were seen as intelligent.

Right now, what that really means is that these are the children of prominent and wealthy families primarily, not like exclusively, but a lot of Duncroft girls come from quote unquote good families right per the book In Plain Sight, girls

were sent to Duncroft for a variety of misdemeanors. One girl who arrived at the school as a fourteen year old in nineteen seventy two insisted years later that half the girls were there as punishment for being the victims of sexual abuse, the crime of having sex underage, as we thought it. Others were put in Margaret Jones's care, that's the woman running the facility, for dabbling with drugs and arexia, attempting suicide, or for running away from children's

homes or abusive parents. So some of these kids are just kids who you know, got have been shuffled through the system, but were noted as being like intelligence, and so maybe you know it's worth trying to reform them. But a lot of these girls are like rich girls who have embarrassed their parents.

of celebrity attention when fundraising was needed. Savell very quickly became the most prominent and reliable, famous friend of the school. For an obvious reason. It gave him access to teenaged girls. Because Saville was seen as a good volunteer, he was allowed to sleep overnight at Duncroft with some regularity. He was even allowed to take Yeah. Yeah, they let him crash there.

it's not a fun place to be, right. Margaret's theory is that one of the ways you fix these kids who have behavioral problems you give them like shitloads of chores, so like constant chores or seems like a therapeutic aid. So it's a boring place where you're being kept away from like your friends and your music and like parties and the things that like a normal age girl would like, and you're just doing chores all the time. And then this famous guy shows up and is like, Hey, anybody

want to ride? You want to leave school for a day? Right, you can see why this is appealing to a lot of these young ladies.

a lot. What a great guy. Now starting. One of the weird things about this is that Margaret's nephew is a guy named Myron Jones, and it's spelled weird in

the British way. Myron Jones becomes like a journalist, like a BBC journalist, and actually he is one of the guys who will report on Jimmy later, but as like a kid, he just is seeing Jimmy at Duncroft regularly when he's visiting his aunt, and like I think his parents both work there at least part time, so he's around Duncroft all the time, and he just notes like weird guys around a lot. He would later say he was full of banter, though had no real conversation as such.

I had a feeling that he was somebody with whom you didn't really know what was going on. One time, Myron saw Saville leave the school with three girls in the back of his convertible. He recalls his parents getting angry about this and confronting his aunt about it, and her response was just he's a friend of the school. Why are you worried? He's a friend of the school. It's okay, it's fine, don't look into it. Good so convenient,

it's really convenient. We don't know how many Duncroft girls were abused by Saville, but after the coming of the Internet, increasing numbers of former patients began discussing abuse that they

had endured while at Duncroft on the Internet. In two thousand and eight, and at that point, fifty year old woman named Carrie wrote a biography as part of a therapeutic exercise to deal with a lifetime of trauma and abuse which had started in care homes and approved schools, including Duncroft, where she'd been sent in nineteen seventy two at age fourteen. So she writes, this autobiography is like

a therapeutic exercise, and she publishes it online. And in this online autobiography she writes about the people who molested her, one of whom was a celebrity, and she doesn't want to give his name because again the UK has really strict libel laws, so she just calls him JS. Who do we think that is?

And it's so normal, Like the facility is like, of course the girls can have cigarettes. Obviously, we got to keep them away from their friends and from like going to shows and hang it out, but they can smoke. Of course, we're not demons here. Obviously they need their three packs a day. Jesus, I was reading something. We're like in the sixties, the average American smoked like four thousand cigarettes a year. What a time we need to go back now that we know they're harmless. I think

we need to go back to smoking all the time. Guys, you know.

desperate for attention. And here is a famous charismatic guy beloved by the whole country, including the royals and the Prime Minister, and he's paying attention to you. You can see why that's appealing to a fucking fourteen year old, fifteen year old girl, right, So she likes the visits like she cherishes them, but she also writes quote it it being hanging out and going on a day trip with Jimmy also meant one had to put up with being mauled and groped when he pulled into a lay

by some five miles along the road. I wasn't the only girl JS favored with this either. In fact, he often tried to press me to go further than simply fondling him and allowing him to grope inside my knickers at my partly formed breasts. He promised me all manner of good things if I would give him oral sex, and eventually she agrees and does it. And the bargain is that Savile will take her to see him record one of his TV shows at the BBC. And he does follow through with this promise as far as I

can tell, I think he pretty much always does. Like when he promises to take a girl he's molesting to go see an episode of whatever show be recorded at the BBC, or to meet the Beatles or whatever, to get into a concert. He pretty much always, as far as I can tell, follow through that it's easy, like it's easier like if you're if you're actually like not following through. Some people are gonna tell right, like you'll

deal with more problems. You know, this isn't a good thing about him, It's just that's how it works better, right. And this is a big part of why the BBC is implicated because over the years Jimmy takes will never know how many at least dozens, probably hundreds of girls that he is abusing onto BBC property for a period

of nearly half a century. For decades he is taking teenage girls, maybe taking teenage boys he's abusing too, I don't I don't recall coming across those accounts, but he's definitely for decades taking underage girls that he is molesting and raping onto BBC property in order as part of the abuse. That's part of the quote unquote transaction that

he's arranged with these kids. And so the BBC, like his abuse of hundreds and hundreds of children and adults would not have been possible without the eager and ready assistance of the British Broadcasting Corporation. There is simply no other way to say it. The BBC was a rigid organization with a strict hierarchy, where talent set up top and a culture of fear, as identified by the Dame Janet Smith Review, ensured lower level employees new reporting abuse

by a star would be the end of their careers. Right, So it's just known, you don't talk shit about the performers. They're the ones making money for everybody, so they get to do what they want. And if you're trying to ruin the party, you're not going to have a career at the only place really to have a career in television in Britain at this time. That's good.

regular guest, not just in Margaret Thatcher's household. She like invites him over for holidays sometimes like he comes over and has dinner with some regularity, and he is also a somewhat regular guest of the royal family. In nineteen eighty five, Savill convinced Prince Charles and Princess Die to guest host a two hour anti drug special called Drugs

Watch with him. That's good again. We know he's drugging some of the girls and boys that he's raping, right, we have reports of that, sometimes just giving them alcohol. But like, anyway, thanks for the anti drug PSA, Jimmy, I'm sure it helped. That same year, yeah, I must have. Thank god Princess Die and Prince Charles were there too, you know, really to lend an air of responsibility to the proceedings. I'm sure that got a lot of kids at a bad place.

I don't know, maybe I don't know, but it was a big deal obviously, given like the history of the Church of England, right, how the Church of England starts as this breakaway from the Catholic Church, and there's generations for which the Catholic Church is suppressed violently in in England and in Ireland. Obviously, so the fact that a pope is visiting England is like a big deal, right. And John Paul the second he'd been shot over in

the USSR. He's like a big deal pope and one of the first people the Pope meets when he lands in London. This is on TV. This is a major event. Is he walks right up to and shakes hands with Jimmy Saville. This is this is like a major part. Like he's one of the first people the Pope meets in England because Saffle's like a famous Catholic.

I'm not an expert on his involvement there. Sure, sure he's right, he's in charge and it's happening in his organization. So in the rare but not that rare instances where people did try to report on Saffle's behavior. As I noted, he is an expert on the UK's libel laws and these are to make a long story, shirt, your laws suck UK, and I know I'm in the United States. We've got a lot of shitty laws and a lot of stuff. UK libel laws are fucking bullshit and it's

a massive problem. This is a part of the problem with like Rowling right where people are getting in legal trouble for saying accurate things about JK. Rowling being a fucking bigot like Jimmy Savill is very good and a lot of bad people are very good at using the UK's libel laws as a weapon in order to make sure people don't report on the bad things that they're doing.

And basically, if you're trying to talk about some of these rumors or even reports, and you can't prove outright that Savile's a child predator, reporting even reporting on individual allegations could get you in massive trouble. You have to be extremely careful. Now, I think people are even more cowardly in the media than the real level of legal risk justifies. I think there is added cowardice on top of that. But the cowardice starts with the chilling effect

that's created when you have laws like this. So any journalist or paper that wanted to write about jim is going to be beset with legal effects, which I mean the end result of this is that in most publications throughout most of the period of time where Jimmy Savill is abusing people, they're just automatically spiking any story about

his private life quote unquote private life. Right, anytime anyone wants to talk about is Jimmy Savile raping people, those stories just get spiked automatically because legal is not going to let it through. Right, Why even try, right, Who's gonna who would want to risk your newspapers survival to report on some he said, she said thing about a

beloved humanitarian like Jimmy Saffle. That's the argument being made by most of the major editors and most of the major publications in the United Kingdom for decades.

think about it right now. That said, a lot of people go much further than they need to and clamping down on this even based on the fear because of just like cowardice, and it's easier and in some cases, Jimmy's writing columns for their fucking papers. As we talked about in the last episodes or last week. So as Jimmy ghost from his thirties to his forties, rumors continue

to dog him about his outrageous lifestyle. But it's never framed as pedophilia, right, It's always he's just this eternal bachelor. He's really got an active social life. He's always surrounded by girls, but in the way that they don't mean literal children, even though that's actually what's happening. Like, that's how people talk about this when he's interviewed and stuff, because people ask him like, Hey, it's weird you're not married.

Do you have any like serious long term relationships? Are you, like with anybody long term? He would justify the fact that he never got married or had long term relationships by explaining his belief that being in a relationship causes brain damage, particularly in women, and he wants to avoid the brain damage, right, And in fact he gets wealth. Yeah, yes, you get brain damaged when you when you get married, you know, and I just don't want any of that

brain damage in my life. And as he gets wealthier's that good?

a person. You know, everyone everyone does gets something, But Saville is so worried about this quote unquote brain damage that even as he gets rich and he buys homes and condos across the country, he makes sure that there he has all of his houses refitted to take the stoves out and to take the kitchen out, because he thinks that having a proper kitchen is part of what makes girls get brain damaged. This is like a thing

he'll talk about and interviews. What again, this is just this is just cover, right, This is him coming I don't think he actually even believes this necessarily. This is him coming up with cover for why he's not with anybody long term.

not what's happening. But that's the assumption people make, and it's an assumption people are kind i think, often consciously forcing themselves to make because they know something is bad, but they don't want to stir the pot, right, so they're like, yeah, he's just he's a real swinger. He's a hip guy. You know, he's just got a large appetites or whatever. People find ways to have it not be their problem.

you perform with them on stage. And Saville was like, well, yeah, that's a lie basically, and he his exact response was, we live in a very funny world, and it's easier for me as a single man to say I don't like children because that puts a lot of salacious tabloid people off the hunt. Hunt of what, Jimmy a hunt of what? Well, yeah, and Louie kind of asks, this is I love Louis as a general rule, he doesn't

go hard enough. He does do more than a lot of journalists did at the time, but it's not nearly enough in this interview because he does basically ask him, are you a pedophile? And Jimmy's like, no, of course not. But you know, I don't want anyone looking into my life, and so it just lies like this or easier. It stops you from looking into your life. But you're just saying you're trying to throw people off the hunt. That's not I want private hunt of what. Mostens did this show.

I've made references. I have a long term partner that I've been with for a while. Like, I have a personal life, I've a roman I don't talk about it in detail because people on the internet are weird and like if you go into detail, if you let people know who you're seeing or whatever, like folks are fucking like you don't want to. The internet is filled with oddities and people. I've had people make very uncomfortable.

this is just consensual sex with adult women. But the fact that he's talking about this at all does nearly derail Jimmy becoming Sir Jimmy. Right, this is something that continually is a problem for him for like a decade. Is well, we don't want to give a knighthood to a guy who talks about this kind of stuff. But old Maggie, she keeps pushing, you know, like she really

is dedicated to this cause. And for an idea of how well known at the time people are really aware that Thatcher is pushing for Jimmy to get a knighthood. I want to quote again from that our article Ferrol

Kenney wrote for the UK Telegram. In a revealing nineteen eighty two cartoon in the Sun, Savile is depicted as a gangster complete with fedora and machine gun, with Margaret Thatcher showing him pictures of Arthur Skargel as well as labor politicians Michael Foot, Tony Benn and Dennis Healy with a caption bump off these lot and I'll see that

you get a knighthood. So there's a recognition that Thatcher is using saffle, he is an important and central wing of her pr machine, and also that he's doing it to get a knighthood. People are know this at the time. It's not, you know, hidden from anyone paying attention. In nineteen eighty six, Margaret had her private secretary Nigel Wicks right to the Honors Committee, saying that she was most

disappointed that mister Saville's name has not been recommended. He added, she Thatcher wonders how many more times his name is to be pushed aside, especially in view of all the great work he had done for Stoke Mandibal. Right, He's why are we delaying this guy getting a knighthood? Did you see he funded the spinal center that he hangs out at an awful lot, like a weird amount.

our sponsors. I apologize. So by this point, nineteen eighty six or so, the age crisis is still too big a deal, and Jimmy's sex scandals, as people talk about them, are still too recent for him to get across the finish line and become a night Another problem for Savile comes when he's there's an interview about his days as a club promoter, and he tells a lot of lurid stories about having to beat people within an inch of their live or I like the gang of thugs, that

he would sick on people and have them like savage folks, right, And that interview temporarily hurts his shot at getting a knighthood. But I've also read speculation and I think this is a pretty good take on it, that this isn't just like him being sloppy and like, oh, I shouldn't have done that because it caused problems for me. This is also part of the tactic that keeps him safe because by admitting, oh, I did violent stuff in my past,

I had guys beaten up. I beat up guys, that is basically copping to something illegal, But it's also something that no one's going to care about because it was like ten or fifteen years ago. And these guys are like bad guys, as he always frames it, their hoodlums. They're provoking him, they're causing problems. You know, they're not victim victims, right, But it's something illicit that he can

admit to. That Again, it throws people off the scent. Right, Well, if he's open about this, there's probably nothing else going on, right. And it also he can be fairly sure that, like, if anyone wants to look into the dark side of Jimmy Savile, they can find some stuff, and it's stuff that they can talk about it and be like, well, you know, Jimmy did this or that, but it's not that bad, right, it's something that's forgivable bad. And that's

interesting to me. In nineteen Yeah, you know what else? Oh wait, we already did that.

So the government is like, well, we need to shut down, get rid of the people running it now. And the board that had been running broad Moore is replaced by a task force appointed by the Thatcher administration. And the task force is run by Jimmy Savill. No, now he's running a psychiatric hospital. Jimmy had started volunteering at Broadmore in the nineteen sixties, and in nineteen eighty eight he got total control over what happened at the facility, or

near total control. He's effectively running it, per the Tribune quote. This This decision was rubber stamped by Junior Health Minister Edwina Currie, who wrote at A Boy and Her Diaries on hearing Savile's plans for reform at the hospital, which included union busting, as Savill alleged that inflated overtime payments were rife among the unionized workforce. Curry later conceded that this was likely savele blackmailing staff who could blow the

whistle on his abuse. So Savill's like, now that I'm running things, you know the real problem at this hospital, these damn unions. It's made a way too expensive. All these guys I got good, I'm gonna we need to fire a bunch of these people because they're they're faking.

side thing. She didn't happen to be friends with. This guy, Jimmy Savell is a significant, meaningful part of Thatcherism, Like he is a major and important part of her entire regime, like that that has to be driven home to peace. How key he is in this whole period of time in British political history, and the fact that he's now running this hospital, he's able to fire basically anyone he wants to who who's going to speak up at anything? That just makes him even more fucking bulletproof to the

people he's raping and molesting and abusing in other ways. Now, the fact that there were employees at all these facilities who saw Savile's behavior and tried to intervene. This doesn't just happen at Broadmore. There are employees everywhere that he volunteers who try to say something, but it never goes anywhere.

And it is important though that it is important emphasize there are people trying to intervene, right, and that fact often gets lost, in part because it doesn't work, but in part because a lot of powerful people have a vested interest in the fact that folks tried to stop

Jimmy being lost. Because by far the best way that you can interpret this, that the public can interpret this, that the British public specifically can interpret Jimmy Saville and what happened in his crimes is oh, this was just a monster who manipulated and a hidden planesight and he tricked everybody. We all fell for no one knew anything was going on.

knew he was raping people. They knew he was having they would probably affirm him as having sex with people who were under age.

time again. I cannot exaggerate the degree of deference and power that Jimmy was given over an entire psychiatric hospital. This is gonna fucking blow your mind. Broadmoor gives him a suite of rooms permanently that he is allowed to occupy and live him and is a private apartment in

the women's wing of the hospital. They give him an apartment in the women's wing, and he has their allegations he would just have victims delivered to his rooms sometimes, or if he's the one taking them in for intake, he'll just bring him on up to his room and do whatever fucking sex crime he's gonna do, and then I'll put him wherever they need to go. Right He's he's getting victims delivered to his apartment at the psychiatric hospital in the women's wing.

had each of these facilities. For the UK Standard, his youngest victim was an eight year old boy who suffered a sexual assault at his hands, and again we know there were younger victims that was you know, at one point in time as he aged, Savil seems to have preferred patients who were dying in hospice. The Standard recounts one story of an eleven to twelve year old dying boy at Great Ormond who admitted shortly before passing that

he had been touched inappropriately by Savile. That's part of why we'll never know how many victims is he's specifically going after people who are dying and thus won't be around to complain or report as he gets like older. That's a big thing he does.

sends him a handmade card. Savile, for his part, was over the moon about his knighthood and he made no

great efforts to disguise why. He told journalist Lynn Barber in an interview conducted just after the ceremony, I had a lively couple of years with the tabloid sniffing about, asking around the corner shops everything, thinking there must be something the authorities knew that they didn't, where As an actual fact, I've got to be the most boring geezer in the world because I ain't got no past, and so if nothing else, it was a ginormous relief when

I got the knighthood because it got me off the hook. Boy, getting this knighthood is great. It's got to make it a lot easier for me to commit sex crimes without getting noticed. Thanks the Queen, off I go.

should happen, right, And that can't happen. Actually, it's impossible to do that because there's no permanent register of nights.

He also said Savell would never have received the honor had allegations about his behavior been known, and Lombardi stressed the Vatican's firm condemnation of any type of sexual abuse against children. Really, oh really, is that so?

and you know that's good. I'm glad the Catholic Church is especially pushing back on our administrations like nightmarish genocidal immigration policies, and hold every member of the church as responsible for these the things that we're done. But we shouldn't forget what the Catholic Church is historically and what they did and what they enabled, and this is part of that. It's a little part of that, given the grand scheme of those crimes, but it's part of it. Right,

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records requests. A lot of his conversations and his correspondence with Thatcher is still basically like uh, censored or whatever. It's like I guess sensitive or whatever. So we don't know, Like there's actually a surprising amount that's been redacted of his relationship with Thatcher, which I'm very curious to know. And there's a similar things going on with the Royal family.

But what we do know, based on letters and documents that have come out since his death, is that Stavel is basically the volunteer pr specialist for the royal family. He's one of the first people they call when there's a scandal. Well, part of the thing is the fucking Prince Charles really trusts him because, as I noted, Jimmy's like a former coal miner from the north, so he's like a down home country boy basically, but in you.

tell us what we should say. Based on interviews with Dicky Arbider, who was media relations liaison for the Prince and Princess of Wales at the time, Savill cut an upsetting figure even within the rarefied world of the royal household. Quote. He would walk into the office and do the rounds of the young ladies, taking their hands and rubbing his lips all the way up their arms if they were wearing short sleeves, if it was summer and their arms were bare, his bottom lip would curl out and he

would run it up their arms. This was at Saint James Place. The women were in their mid to late twenties doing typing and secretarial work. No no, yeah, gross, deeply bad. You'll hear about this a lot. This is an important tactic of his. What he's doing the whole when he's casually meeting women in the world. These are adult women, but he'll do these like really exaggerated like gomez atoms, you know style, like kissing all the way up their arm gestures. Right, He does this a lot.

You'll also find people talking about this in like these analyzes that different institutions like broad More and Stoke Mandible published right about how Savil would do stuff like this when he would meet women, and often like meet women generally that he's not actually abusing or anything. And this is an important point, as summarized on the website Investigative

Psychiatries right up quote. Savil also used bizarre and flamboyantly inappropriate public behavior towards women, such as extravagant greetings and kissing up their arms to their lips as a calculated method to scope their reactions engage the level of resistance he might face. If he does this and you don't turn away or pull away at all, and you let him get all the way to your lips, he knows okay, if I want to. This is someone who's more vulnerable, right.

That's that's the interpretation that people have made of this behavior, and I think it's probably accurate. It makes sense. There's a lot of reports of this.

that's not true one its face. Many of Jimmy's victims have written about the rages that he would drop into if he were denied or hindered in any way. This is a guy who got violent and could get violent, and who got very angry when he was angry. But the fact that he says this, that he claims, so I don't have emotions, I don't really feel things is part of the mythic wall that he's building around himself to protect himself. If Jimmy doesn't like kids, there's no

reason to explore his relationship with kids. If he has no emotions, there's nothing to figure out about his inner life. Stop looking, right, That's why he's doing this. And the only thing that's really remarkable to me is how well this all works. Part of why this is something I'm not super well qualified to say to talk about, but it's the thing I've seen written about is that British culture had and still has for generations celebrated a specific

kind of what we're often called quote uniquely British eccentrics. Right, there's a long, proud tradition of like weirdos in public life in British history that is, up to a point, celebrated. If you get famous enough for something, then the fact that you're like a weirdo stops being a thing that

you'd get like mocked for and like something people celebrate. Right, It's just kind of this aspect of Britain's not the only place where this happens, but it's known as like a very British thing, and in fact, in thatchers like her announcement of his knighthood. She talks about him as like he's one of the great British eccentrics. You know. Sometimes our wonderful little island, it produces these splendid weirdos, you know, and we like to celebrate our weirdos in England.

That's kind of the idea right now. It's been noted by several of these analyzes that I've read and seen summarize that like this whole persona, this thing is calculated like he is. He understands that there's this attitude that like, well, often a lot of like great public figures in British history are these eccentrics. So if I'm just an eccentric, then I'm not dangerous, right, and it discourages people from

looking into me. Right. It's a boundary testing mechanism. That's how some of these reports will frame it.

across as minimizing the other thing. But when you're talking about like some like famous musician who statutory commits statutory rape on like a thirteen or fourteen year old girl because like she's around, and he doesn't give a fuck, and he's being provided with with with girls. You know, he shows up to do it and he's provided girls and he doesn't care how old they are. And that happens at a point in this musician's life. That's like a bad thing. There should be accountability for that. It's

not okay. It's a real problem if that doesn't ever occur outside, if that person is not continuing to go after people of that age. There's a difference between that and predatory behavior, where you're actively going out of your way to find victims and to groom victims and to groom institutions to provide you with victims. These are both

really bad things. But they're different levels, right. I think it's important to see the difference between someone who does not care morally about what they're doing as long as they get to like satisfy their urges, and someone whose brain works in such a way that they are constantly looking for holes in organizations and institutions and people that they can use in order to gain leverage so that they can commit harm, you.

I think that's it. That's an important thing to note. The term grooming is usually deployed to refer to something abusers do to their victims, but What I like about that article is that it talks about institutional grooming, right, the grooming of these different hospitals and organizations that allow him to get access to his victims. Quote, he identified the specific needs of an institution, such as fundraising in the NHS or industrial mediation in broad more, and fulfilled

them to create a debt of gratitude. This symbolic power then allowed him to operate in a clinical vacuum. So this is a complex, multipart process. He's putting a lot of thought into this and a lot of effort. Once he's got an in.

him as legitimate. And the fact that and off. Most of the time he's not abusing the patient. Most of the time when he's acting as an orderly he is just doing orderly work, and that grooms the patients to no one's on guard when Jimmy walks in their room. He's supposed to be there. You know, there is some evidence, not direct, but like you can tell it by inference that during the nineties, Jimmy Savill continued to participate in parties and events where teenagers were provided as basically sex

toys for the rich and powerful. Petronella Wyatt, a British journalist who once had an affair with Boris Johnson, wrote an article for The Spectator, which is a conservative magazine, in which she relates some of the things she experienced while socializing with this crowd in the years after Sir Jimmy's knighthood. Back in the nineteen nineties, I used to see teenage girls with eyes the color of Vervin at

some of the extravagant parties I was invited to. Looking back, I have a fair idea of why they were there, but it never occurred to me to ask their age or protest their presence. Was I complicit and like, yeah, yeah, you were? Like definitely, That's what that means. She doesn't allege that Jimmy was providing the girls at these parties. In fact, she doesn't interrogate how that's happening at all.

But we know he was aware or he was at many of these events right, And we know he was in a position to his access to psychiatric hospitals and his access to like the Duncroft Approved School for Girls, could have allowed him to provide girls to such events. We know he took girls out of facilities like Duncroft and took them too, like the BBC to see film and know so we know he's taking girls that he is raping and taking them to secondary and tertiary locations

from hospitals and from like the approved school. Is it so crazy to think that maybe he used his access to provide girls to parties for his rich and famous friends. I can't prove that. Is that such a crazy thing to think might have happened.

of this was surely due to his royal connections. Saville was invited to Prince Charles's fortieth birthday, and when Jimmy turned eighty in two thousand and six, he received a box of Cuban cigars and a set of cuff links from the Now well, now he's king. He wasn't king in two thousand and six, but from Prince Charles, with a note saying, nobody will ever know what you have done for this country. This is to go some way in thanking you for that.

with Savill for the remainder of her life. So far as I can tell, she traveled with him to Stoke, Mandibal and other hospitals for charitable events, and she seems to have held him in high regard. I don't know. I don't know how much of that was set dressing. I don't know her in her life. I don't know what she would have been aware of. Probably I assume Savill would have tried to hide the details of what he was doing. But again, enough stuff was obvious. We've

quoted so much from him being interviewed. She can't have not known something. She has to have been a little aware at the very least that something wasn't right with this guy. I don't know. I can't say for sure. In the late nineties and early two thousands, Jimmy was no longer a massive TV star in his own right, but he was now famous for being famous, and he was regularly trotted out in documentaries and TV shows. He's a big guest star in this period of time, and

a lot of like BBC shows. In nineteen ninety five, the journalist and TV host Andrew Neil has him on for an episode of Is This Your Life? Which I think is like a supposed to celebrate different kind of famous people in British life, right. So Neil has Saffalon for a friendly interview which includes some cheeky questions about his romantic history and his past is a wrestler. And even then, when he's being interviewed about his life on TV in nineteen ninety five, Jimmy can't avoid throwing in

some side remarks hinting at his crimes. So here's the segment from that episode where he's talking Andrew's asking him about his time as a wrestler. He used to be a wrestler.

eyes say a lot. Sure, but you can, I mean you can just hear in the joke how casually he is about it, right, Like, just the audio of it says enough that the how casually he jokes about wrestling children a girls school, those are kids, and the uproarious laughter from the audience very funny. Hah, Jimmy, Yes, it's so funny how you joke about molesting little girls? We love it.

To this documentary, Jimmy's mom had died twenty seven years earlier, and he still kept her room exactly the way it had been the day she died. Her clothing was like shrink wrapped in plastic, but still folded in her wardrobe. As I noted earlier, Threau does probe some of the rumors around Jimmy in a, you know, a legally safe way, like starting when he asks him like, why did you claim to hate children? And Jimmy's like, well, it stops

the tabloids from looking into stuff? And after that line, Louis asks, is that basically so the tabloids don't pursue this hole? Is he or isn't he a pedophile line? And Saville replied, oh, I how do they know whether or not I am? How does anybody know whether I am? Nobody knows whether I am or not. I know I'm not. That's my policy and it's worked to dream.

my adult life. He had a big influence on how I interview people, how I approach stuff as a journalist. I really do have a lot of admiration for him, and particularly he's very good at not giving at getting people, not just getting people to talk, giving them enough rope to hang themselves, but pressing them on things that are hard to press on, that are awkward and like uncomfortable. Like that's a thing Louis has made a career on doing, and he doesn't do nearly enough considering what he must

have known. And one of the things that frustrates me is after Savile dies, even knowing all this, even having allegedly reported him in two thousand and two thousand and one, Louis makes a big show of publicly mourning Savile, of calling him basically a great Britain right after he dies. Up until the allegations spill out, and I think it's just my guess would be once he dies. There's first off,

there was massive immediate public mourning. It doesn't come out immediately like he has a huge He has basically a state funeral. The Royal Marines are there escorting his fucking gold casket, so there's a big The whole country is mourning him. I think number one, Louis probably didn't want to be the only person being like I think this guy was a pedophile, he's a BBC personality. There's probably

professional pressure. He just doesn't And I shouldn't be focusing on Louis more than all of these other editors that we've talked about, because he did more than nothing, but it just wasn't enough. And that's all I'll say. I don't think this is like damning of him into perpetuity. From my understanding, Louis regrets not doing more. He's talked pretty openly about like the fact that he wishes he

had done a better job, and that's life. It's all I'll go on from there, but I think it's worth noting. In two thousand and seven, one of the Duncroft girls Saville abused went to police in Surrey and reported him. The police ultimately concluded there was not enough evidence to pursue a case. Later investigation has made it clear that the evidence was mishandled and the department was pushed to

avoid following. Up to the end of his life, Saville maintained friendships with influential members of the Yorkshire Police, hosting what he called his Friday morning club, in which he'd have coffee with various senior inspectors and the like. It's like him having coffee with a bunch of cops every Friday. These is really at the end of his life once all of his pedophile friends go to prison. His primary social group is cops who I'm guessing also have been pedophiles or.

advice to locals on of all things crime prevention. A great two thousand and eight, cool two thousand and eight. But in the aughts stories kept spreading online about Jimmy. A victim had come forward in two thousand and three, and a complaint in two thousand and eight was reported on by the Sun. So it's starting. This wall he's got between him and the media is starting to falter and flicker out even by that point in time. In two thousand and nine, Jimmy was interviewed by police in Surrey.

He said, up the complaint. That's why I have up in Yorkshire where I live in Leeds. It's a collection of senior police persons who come to see me socially. I give them all my weirdo letters and they take them back to the station and say, oh, have you seen what Jimmy's got today? When the police asked whether Savill gives them to the police, and so basically he says this, and he's being interviewed and they're like, well, do you give these letters to the police to investigate Savills?

Then response no, no, not investigate them, no, not to do anything with them. But if anything happens to me. So he's basically insinuating, Oh, I just give these to the police in case some crazy fan murders me. Right, what's actually happening here is he's whenever he has a problem, whenever he thinks he's going to get reported on, he has his cop friends he goes to and they were pretty good at making it go away. Jimmy Saville was able to outrun justice his entire life, but he did

not outrun death. He dies on October twenty ninth, twenty eleven. Once he was gone, his power to stop such investigations came to a sputtering end. In less than a year. He went from publicly mourned and buried in a gold coffin escorted by the Marines, to having his headstone ground down to rubble. They removed the big headstone he's got, which says his epitaph was it was nice while it lasted. Em like they have to in order to stop people

from like defacing the cemetery. Basically they have to grind it into fucking crumbs and ushould just let people to face it. But yeah, you know, numerous police and institutional investigations are launched, and by December of twenty twelve, just a year after his death, the number of alleged victims had reached four hundred and fifty. That is, a year after he dies. Where are we now in terms of total victims known? Well, I'm going to quote from a

twenty fourteen article in The Guardian. The BBC will be plunged into a major crisis with the publication of a damning review expected next month that will reveal its staff turned a blind eye to the rape and sexual assault of up to one thousand girls and boys by Jimmy

Saville in the corporation's changing rooms and studios. Dame Janet Smith, a former Court of Appeal judge who previously led the inquiry into the by doctor Harold Shipman, will say into her in her report that the true number of victims of savile sexual proclivities may never be known, but that his behavior had been recognized by BBC executives who took no action. I want to really highlight something we know. He rapes and molests at least a thousand boys and

girls in BBC changing rooms and studios. I've see this, mister Porter, is a thousand victims. That's just a thousand victims. In BBC property.

gonna talk about that now. So during his wrestling days, there's this wrestler named Exotic Adrian Street who like he's he's like he's one of he's a heel, right, He's somebody fans loved to hate. I think he's like a guy who dresses like very flamboyantly, you know, in order to and that's part of like his uh, this fucking evil like weirdo. Right, And so he's matched with savile at some point and he would let it. And I

found all this in an article for Whales Online. So it was Wales Online that talked to Adrian Street about this quote. The promoters were trying to put Savel across is a bit of a tough guy in those days, and they were trying to get other proper wrestlers to throw their matches with him. It was all part of some big, stupid gimmick, says Street. And when I found out I was up against him next, I wasn't very happy, not least because I'd just beaten world lightweight champion George

Kid at Noddingham Ice Rink the night before. In fact, I'd put him in the hospital. So when it was it suggested like, hey, why don't you know you're gonna fight this DJ, Well, let's have it in a draw. That'll be good for everybody. And Street's like, fuck that shit quote. His cronies were telling me, don't underestimate Jim, he's trained with the Royal Marines. But I was having

none of it. I kicked his legs from underneath him, so he hit the deck that I picked him up by his hair, held him upside down, and dropped him on his skull. Then when I looked down at my hands, I realized that were covered in hair saveles. I'd torn huge clumps out of his scalp. He absolutely crucified the bloke, And when I spoke to my wife afterwards, she said I'd looked like a hungry fox going after a chicken.

Savile never returned to the wrestling ring after that, and I never clapped eyes on him again, like that's that's the that's the story. And he did tell whales online. Had I known then the full extent of what I know about him now, I'd have given him an even bigger beating, were that physically possible. So at least we've got that.

Royal Family is the Royal family. Yeah, it's just unfathomably gross that this man was one of the worst pedophiles of maybe all time, and of the one of the pedoist of the files for sure, and was you know, united by both the Royal family and the Catholic.

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