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hold you. I was not going to cover this because I feel like there's somebody needs to be discussed at the Domino table to cook out, you know, and I just don't want to feed the machine. But at some point we got to decide whose man is this? And somebody got come come get their boy yee. We got to decide, okay, when when did he cross the line? Y'all?

And has he crossed the line? Because you know, the important nuance it this is how we've survived is collective, you know, slaves like the you know, we we needed each other to survive. So when somebody got out of line, we looked out for each other. You know. I don't know if you know this, but corn rows like the braids inside of people's hair were maps. You know, the Negro spirituals you you you sang songs. It's code for

when it was time to go. Harriet Tubman when she got free, you know, she escaped herself and then decided I'm gonna go back and get as many people as I can, Like this is, this is our story. We take care of each other. So that's why it's hard for us to just write people off to just cancer, especially if they're black. It's hard for us because it's like, we need to take care of each other. We can't let these white people like tell us what to do

with our volts. But that being said, at some point we're like, all right, nigga, you are on your own. You have hurt us too much and I never so I didn't want to cover yeah, because I still don't know how I feel. There are some statements that he said are obviously inexcusable, but I just didn't want to be a part of that. I want to be a part of that conversation the Kanye stands and I'm done with East people. I just don't want to be a part of conversation. What Sophie hit me and the good

folks that it could happen here. Hit and was like, yo, uh, we got to talk about this, and I was like, all right, I was on the fence. We need to talk about it. Yo. Whose man's is this y'all? Somebody can get the boy. So it's a crossover with the Helmy Garrison Robert and it could happen here. Teams, Sharine and we discussed this stuff. So dropping into our feed and they feed it could happen here. For politics, that's rock.

I'm just waiting for Kanye's gnostic phase. That a good develop good as soon as it starts being let start talking about Sophia and I'm excited for when he runs for a president uh and then declares his opponent to be we We're on the same track there. It's gonna be a good day. Welcome to It can happen here. In the podcast, when are we talking about Kanye West's

inevitable war against the demi urge? Oh uh? We joined again by Shrine and prop So we just talked about kind of Kanye West history up towards his most recent White Lives Matter T shirts done and his anti Semitic posts on Instagram and Twitter dot com and my main interest in the aftermath of these statements is kind of mostly how right wing media reacted to what was going on in to one of their darling's kind of saying some questionable things, and what that might tell us about

how they'll handle overt anti semitism and fascistic um kind of consumerism in the future. I'm going to do a quote from New Republic again about what happened in the direct aftermath of of Kanye West's post quote. Fox News meanwhile posted an article that West merely had been locked out of his account due to an unspecific violation of

the company's policies. After spending such a fulesome number of hours providing him with a platform for his White Lives Matter stunt, The network a shewed coverage of his anti semitism, other than to point to it as the product of mental illness. The effort to sweep the second round of nasty bigotry under the rug after celebrating the initial outpouring

is breathtakingly cynical, but not particularly surprising. The fact that West was at least for now d platformed from social media accounts that he was using to traffic hate speech is in itself catnip for far right figures and unquote so many a far right rifter has tried to turn this into a free speech issue. Um. However, Kanye associate and Fashion Week White Lives Matter buddy Candace Owens tried to deny the anti semitism all together. Within days of

his Twitter rant. Canada, Owens on her Daily Wire podcast was defending Kanye, saying quote death Con three should be interpreted as a move to protect the Jewish people after all, because because because def con is a defensive military category, not an offensive military category. See, these are the words of a deeply un serious person. Exactly, I'll be in a very a very dangerous one, but deeply on serious. This is that's this is. It's those things. Okay, be conservative,

I think, however you want. But it's that stuff that is so infuriating to me where I'm like, you know, you do not sit across the table from me, you know, you know, and it's like, okay, just I just like break character once, you know, just just like no, what is you like, There's no way I can't take you.

There's no way you believe that, There's no way. Canderth has been playing the long game for a while, and that kind of reach that that reaches a culmination towards the end of this episode, which we'll talk about um, but let's let's let's let's play the clip there, because she also does some pretty gross anti semitic kind of defensive stuff as well, talking about how you can't say the word Jewish without people getting upset. If you are an honest person, you did not think this tweet was

anti semitic. You did not think that he wrote this tweek because he hates or wants to genocide Jewish people. This is not represent at the beginning of the Holocaust. That's if you're an honest person, you'll meet that. You'll admit that right. If you're an honest person, when you read this tweet, you had no idea what the hell he was talking about. I had I had no idea when I read this tweet what the hell he was talking about. The tweet inspired questions, not answers. First and foremost,

what is death Con three? Did he mean deaf Con three, which would be a military defense position, not to an offense, for those of you that are offended, a military defense position. Is he tweeting this because he's reading the Newsweek headline calling him an anti Semitic. Is he angry because he can't believe that he's not free to talk about people in his life who happened to be Jewish right without

being accused of anti Semitism. Is he's saying, I'm not gonna shut up, and I'm gonna keep tweeting, and I'm gonna keep calling these people out, referring to his friends that he feels slided by, as he talking about Jared Kushner and Josh Krishner. If you're a liar, you'll say, I know I was scared. Canis I actually thought that Kanye West was going to launch a military strike in Israel?

Because that's the reaction, Like when I woke up and I looked at the headlines, of reaction was like Kanye West had gotten together a military strike and it was going to go forward in the morning time in Israel. That was That was the reaction that was met with this Sweek. Now, once again, I want to make this very clear. This is not a defensive tweet. This is

an open question which never seems to happen anymore. It's like you cannot even say the war Jewish without people getting upsets in the same way that you're not allowed to say black anymore. So there is definitely a lot in that clip. Um. I guess first off, we can talk about talking about the tweet as simply asking questions about Jewish people. It's like you're just like directly doing the Jewish question, Like what you can't frame this just

ask like you're just asking questions about Jewish people. Really, and then and then Owens tries to link this to like a Zionist position, implying that attacks on Jewish people and anti Semitism are only legitimate if they're they're in the form of a military act against the nation of Israel, which is not how anti Sumitism operates. That's like, that's just that's just that's just not what that is like

that it's it's it's pretty gross again. Just it's it's the same daily wire racism denying stick by you know, it's it's it's the same thing they do by saying racism doesn't exist anymore because they're not racist laws in America, which first of all isn't even true. But second of all, that's not what racism is like that that that even if there weren't racist laws. That doesn't mean there's no racism.

Um man, she like the man. It's like like I'm trying to put my words together because there's a certain type of like sinisterness. Yeah, it's a type of yeah, it's about they're both deeply un serious. But it's also like explicitly complicit in the in the like the rise of far right Christian fascism, like it's it's it's so absurd, but in a very dark way like it's it's it's yeah,

I heard Kanye this morning. This is what days this October October, a clip from Pierce Morgan no less, like trying to call him on his anti semitism and yeah, just like I know we're talking about Candice, but it's like it's in the same vein of like ain't no way you believe it is? Is in in that he

was like, listen, I apologize. I was talking about my experience in the music industry, which is a verifiable fact ran by Jews, And I was like, you can bro you ain't no way, ain't no way, and just character like Alex Jones broke character before, like uh, what's tuck across? In both character Tuck across in in court was like this entertainment, don't take me serious, you know, just like let me have that moment where I'm like, Okay, at least be honest with what I'm dealing with here, Just

break character one like this. Just give me that at least I know what I'm dealing with. No, Yeah, like saying this is an open question. You cannot say the word Jewish that people are getting upset, like you know what you're doing, and with the with the after the like death calm. Three tweets follow up implying that Jewish people emitted cancel culture, like Robert said, directly referenced that that's that is just directly ripped from like Nazi theory.

Um like it's it's it's so blatant. Like even even Cannice Owens's boss Ben Shapiro had to acknowledge that Kanye's tweets were anti Semitic. He he made He made a tweet saying back from the Jewish Holiday now, which don't like Ben Shapiro, I know what you're doing. I know what you're calling it to the Jewish holiday. Fuck you back from the Jewish Holiday now. As usual, two things can be true at once. Kanye's moves towards pro life

faith and family conservatism are encouraging his death. Com three posts and black Hebrew is Alite language are clearly anti Semitic and disturbing. It's like Ben Shapiro, like, the more this is, this is, this is this. This is basically Ben Shapiro saying the more he agrees with me, the more he becomes a Nazi. But I'm sure this is just a coincidence, which which I did steal from. I did steal that from someone on Twitter. So well, thanks, um, well,

thanks gonna be true. Look, look, both things, bothings gonna be Let's say that you all right, Um, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do a brief tangent on this guy named Jason Woodlock. So Woodlock is a sports journalist and podcaster who hosts the show Fearless Soldiers on Glenn Beck's Blaze Media, where he quote protects the realm of common sense and challenges the group think Mandy did by elites um and he has like over half a million

followers on Twitter dot com. He made a series of not great statements that are still up and went extremely viral with a lot of likes. Um saying, quote Kanye West and Dave Chappelle, is there a pattern the industry wants both of them canceled. Black raffers and comedians are free to denigrate black people and white men a million different ways, but there's a line they better not cross, and everyone knows it. I wonder, I wonder what he's saying.

I wonder what he's implying there. The conflation of this is actually also as person a member of the black community, car carrying that is that is frustrating in and that we do need to talk about, you know, among ourselves, like what is acceptable in terms of how we speak about our own women, how we speak about you know, our little brothers and sisters in the world. That is something that needs to be discussed. But you don't get to call it at you know. So Jason Jason is black,

but he similarly works for a far right media company. UM, I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you a phrase and you could use this later. Okay. I'm pretty sure Serene knows it too. It's all scan folk and kim folk. So just go ahead continue. And what he's talking about here, saying that there's there's there's a you're you're free to you know, talk about you know, bad things that black people and white people have done. The line that you

better not cross. He's he's obviously talking about Jewish people. Um, someone some of someone asking him, hey, what's what is this line? And then Jason posted, you can't question black entertainers unhealthy relationship with non religious Jewish power brokers in Hollywood. Yeah okay, yeah uh he this this was obviously called out as being extremely anti Semitic, which then he replied, you think I have a problem with people who speak

a Semitic language. Not true. I have a problem with the secular culture, particularly Hollywood's promotion of it and black celebrities embrace of it. I believe those celebs have an

unhealthy partnership with non religious Jewish people. He chose which words that was a dance again, this is this is just exactly, you're just doing anti semitism like you can't, you can't like it's not about speaking a Semitic language, and you know that, like you know this, you're you're you're just doing a bit like here and here's what's crazy, Like you know, in in my early days, of like moving into more like activist kind of justice circles and and for real, like even in some of the like

church spaces I was in because again I grew up in like a very different church tradition. And the rest of these foods is that the Jewish community was in a lot of ways upheld as an example for us in that like, look, they don't let nobody talk about nobody. They don't let they don't they don't let it ride. You're not allowed to talk to me. And they were like,

we need to be like that. They're like the way that the way that like, look they come in they said, if their community, they they keep their money within their community, like their dollars circulated around that and when you look at like statistics, they were saying among the black community, it's like a dollar, you know, a dollar only circulates

once through our community, you know what I'm saying. And like I don't have the numbers right, but they were saying, like within the Jewish community, that dollar goes around like fifty six seventy eight times because they support each other, you know. And they were like that's something that as black people, we need to start learning how to do, like yo, stop being crabs in the bucket, like support

each other. You know what I'm saying, Man, learn from their community, you know, learn from the fact that like you know, they keep their narrative alive. They don't allow oppression to happen to them. They they stuck together. How they accrued wealth. You know what I'm saying. I don't know how healthy this understanding is, but I'm saying that's what we saw, Like look at how they accrued wealth,

like learned from them, you know. So so when it when when you hear it coming out of a black entertainer's mouth, something anti, it just it grates even more because you just like, man, what like I think one of the acts of that, which we're actually gonna get to in a bit, is some of that kind of admiration can be a double edged sword though it is. That's what I'm saying, Like, I don't know how healthy

it is, Like that's what we were taught. Yeah, but like like like what you said about like there you know how a dollar circulates way more. You see Kanye later starting to use some of that rhetoric in terms of promoting Jewish people as like controllers of financial engineering, like you see that type of you see that bridge. We're gonna talk about that like in a sect. Also, quick piece of history about Jewish Jewish people in banking, which it's ill like they as a people got into that.

They were basically they were forced to because they weren't allowed farm land, like you wasn't allowed to farm. So they're like, well, we gotta find a job somehow, Let's do banking. You imagine they're good at it, like you know, I mean, I mean, like this is this part that's like really can't. I'm like, you know, why do you know why jazz exists? Segregation, naked racism, that's why blues, Why is there hip hop? Because sep sect like we did something with the trash you gave us, Like so

I think that, yeah, anyway, segregation made that happen. I'm going to read a quote from Ya Rosenberg. Quote. Kane's tweets exemplify why anti Semitism is so hard to uproot. It's a self affirming conspiracy theory. The anti Semite claims

that Jews control everything. Then if they're penalized for their bigotry, they point to that as proof heads they win, tails Jews lose Kanye posted his second tweet before the First World was taken down, perfectly demonstrating how the Jews control everything is a preemptive anti Semitic defense against consequences for expressing anti Semitism. It's a common misconception that anti Semitism is just a personal prejudice against Jewish people. It's not.

It's also a conspiracy theory about how the entire world works, which is why it ropes in conspiracy theorists from all ideologies and all backgrounds. It creates this antagonizing catch twenty two for Jews when confronted with anti semitism. If we say nothing, the hatred spreads unchecked. If we say something and it results in any consequences for the anti Semite, the bigot just uses that as proof of their anti

Semitic world view. So that's a good kind of one oh one explainer on how this kind of whole thing operates. You know, talking about Jewish power brokers in Hollywood and people called out on that, They're like, oh see, this is an example of them trying to silence the truth. And you know, all of this type of ship. Um. The one super interesting thing that has happened since all of these tweets and the aftermath and stuff has has has happened is that we got some leaked video from

the Tucker Carlson and kan Gae video. So this is this, this, this is this is fascinating. Um So Vice Vice's motherboard obtained footage of Kanye making bigotings, statements about Jutish people, and bizarre clams about fake children, as well as describing visions of connecting of kinetic energy cities sent to him by God. And uh, we're not sure how Vice got these unaired clips, but we have them and they're extremely fascinating, both on for like what Kanye is doing and how

he made these statements before his tweets. Um Also it's interesting on like what Tucker is doing, like your explicitly obfuscating direct anti Semitism but still allowing the dog whistles to be to be present. Um So, inside there interview that that did air, Carlson and Kanye together outlined some of Fox's favorite boogeyman from the Clintons, COVID restrictions, cancel culture, and liberal elites. But what Fox left on the cutting

room floor is just as revealing. The Tucker Carlson Tonight's team decided to edit out a clip of Kanye saying that he's vaccinated against COVID nineteen, which is you know, okay, yeah. In a segment talking about black genocide and planned parenthood, they edited out Kanye's statements about the lost twelve Tribes of Judah. Planned parenthood was made by Margaret Sanger, a known eugenics with the KKK two control the Jew population. When I say ju, I mean the twelve Lost Tribes

of Judah, the Blood of Christ. Who the race the people known as the race black really are? This is who are people are the Blood of Christ? This as

a Chris sh is my belief. So inside the television broadcast it has it has those parts about planned parenthood and the KKK, but then after he mentions the KKK, it cuts three seconds ahead, so it skips over all that stuff around Jews and the the lost twelve Tribes of Judah, which kind of get that that is that is some of the type of black Hebrew Israel stuff that Robert and prop were talking about in the previous episode.

How they're they're one of the lost tribes who went south. Um, So that that is that, But it's interesting so like he's directly talking about that way before his tweets that Tucker just completely edited out now on the on the planned parenthood point. So Sanger was indeed a racist and you genicist um, a stance that the Planned Parenthood organization

has since like obviously denounced um. But you know, claims about Planned Parenthood specifically operating to kill unborn black babies are just common rhetoric in the pro life like circles and conspiracy spaces. It's not that that part is not really true, but it's a very common talking point that Margaret Sanger point is is something that like, yeah, you know, even I like in my sort of you know, evolution

of the way I think and feel and believe. You know, I'm the child of a black panther, you know what I'm saying. So like when you you you hear things about eugenics and Margaret Sanger in a connection a plan herod but and you're like, oh, well, yeah, no, that stuff is evil, you know what I mean? UM, And you know obviously I I'm a I'm assist gendered male,

you know. So there there's definitely holes in the story of understanding the complications of what it means what abortion and reproductive rights mean because I just I didn't know, you know. And uh, but as you you know, grow mature, travel for me, like the the biggest, the biggest change in my thinking has been travel and relationships and just you know what I used to say reading off the naughty List, you know, uh, and you start understanding those complications.

But yeah, that was like that that Margaret Sanger note is a note that's hit often, you know, and it becomes very difficult until you're like, so you till you until you in the situation, you know what I mean, and like you are like, look, this is this is this is affordable healthcare and it's right down the street, you know. And when you're in that situation, it's like again, like all the boogeyman's and all the stories and all the warnings, all of it falls apart, you know, once

you actually see this stuff in practice. So yeah, that but that that Margaret Sanger, well, I was a that's

a tough title swallow. And the Planned Parent Organization has spent a long time trying to amend for their for their like an initial inclination and some of the like you genicists starting points that that they had and making sure that they're not they're not you know, yeah, continuing in that oh yeah, and like and like actually addressing like, hey, is the locations of our clinics specifically geared towards like being in more targeted communities where it's like lower class

and people of color as opposed to white, affluent communities, and they have they have taken steps to actually like make sure that they're planning of clinics and locations is not it's not oversaturated in Yeah, and that being said, I'm like a white communities, they got healthcare, So it's like there's a different story, you know what I'm saying. It's like, you go where it's needed. I'm like, I ain't got no healthcare over here. That's why they here,

you know. I Mean, this isn't obviously, this isn't a planned parenthood stand video or podcast. But at the same time, I'm like, well, of course they got their problems, like every other organization got their problems. But like the idea that there's this like sinister plot, you know, is clearly the rantings of someone who is not well. It does it's it is parenting, just conspiracy talking points. At this point, the way, the way he doesn't the way he's doing.

And in one of the more blatantly anti semitic sections that were that was edited out, Kanye complains about Kwanza being taught to his kids in school and and says that he would prefer his kids learn Hanaka because it comes with financial engineering. Was biting my tongue on my political opinion because I thought it would be better for my children. And now you look up and my kids are going to a school that teaches black kids a complicated Kwanza. I prefer my kids new Hanaka and Kuanza.

At least it will come with some financial engineering. I'm sorry, what wait? I mean? This is? This is this type of thing like you should learn from the Jews because they're good at controlling money. Like yeah, it makes me feel like he purposely tweeted that stuff because it was cut out, like because like maybe ing his idea of being I mean, I think I think he tweeted that

stuff out. He tweeted that he tweeted up on Twitter in response to him getting banned on Instagram, and the stuff on Instagram was directly against a rapper who was calling him out on his ship um I don't know

if Kanye watched the Tucker Carlson interview. I don't know. UM. And then in one of the more bizarre things that he said, Kanye West talked about a so called fake child that had been planted in his home, including he went into explicit detail talking about the child's name and the parents name and this this video clip was not posted to protect the family's privacy. UM, but he went

into great detail. And we have some we have some like transcripts saying, I actors, professional actors placed into my house to sexualize my kids. He he he referred to the so called son of an associate, seemingly implying that the child was fake, saying that we we we we did not believe that the person was her son because he was way smarter than her. UM. And he it's it's the This is like the most clear example of the ramblings of someone who like isn't okay, Like it's

like like someone having a mental health episode like. Connie has spoken frequently about living with bipolar disorder and experiencing manic episodes. In twenty nineteen, he discussed how experiences these with David Letterman, saying, quote, when you're in the state, you're hyper parented about everything and everyone in my experience, other people have different experiences. You know, everyone is now an actor, Everything is now a conspiracy, uncut and this

is what's happening. You're thinking everyone's an actor and everyone's conspiracy. You're really I mean, you can look at gang stocking, which is probably an expression of people having schizophrenic episodes, where people believe that like crowds of just random folks on the street are like part of an organized stalking thing or just there's these One kind of common thing that happens in psychotic episodes for some people is a belief that their loved ones, their spouse or whatever has

been replaced by someone who looks exactly the sin. There's also certain kinds of like we call that damage. We call that Nathan Fielder syndrome. I was going to say that,

but I didn't want to drag it to this. It's I mean, it's one of those This is I don't know how you actually would ever study this, but I think one of the major problems are our civilization has that might actually end us is the fact that every mental illness on the planet is vastly exacerbated by the person having a lot of money, which also happens to make it virtually impossible to treat because no one around

you will admit that anything is wrong. And this again might someday, combined with the fact that we have an addiction on this planet to handing a single individual the keys to a nuclear stockpile, this might all end in really badly for everybody. And when you're one of those famous people in the world, you constantly feel like you're being gang stocked because you are like everyone watching you, like every like it's it's not humans weren't designed to

reach that level of fame. That's not something that we'd like developed, Like, that's that's you shouldn't that should not

be possible. Our brains are not equipped for it. Yeah, And then I feel like it's like they get affirmed in that belief because a lot of people do rely on them and maybe they're mania to like make sure they get paid or make sure like their family they're being Yeah, you're being you know, Like I have a small list of like actual like a list like celebrity friends who have been you know who are like for real celebrities and are also like, yeah, my uh my

last accountants stole two hundred thousand dollars from me, Like, and I didn't even know, you know, uh this person, you know, I had this person on tour with me, and you know they robbed this guy robbed the opener. Like just all these like stories to where you're like, well, yeah, the people you do have around you, So even if you didn't have mental health issues, you would get paranoid, you would still get paranoid. Yeah, it's example to get paranoid. I mean, yeah, it's I yeah, all of it's all

of this is very obvious as a problem. But and

what's unsettling to me. Sorry, I just want to say really quickly, one of the things that the fact that Kanye, as you you pointed out years earlier, very astutely talked about the things that happened to him when he is having an episode in a very lucid way, makes me wonder, and maybe this is a little conspiratorial where they're people listening who are like, well, shit, if we can just play into that stuff, we might be able to get him to we might be able to push him in

whatever direction we want. Because there's definitely a whole unch of people. I mean, I can totally see Kenda someone's doing that because because she's she's been playing him like a fiddle for a long time. And that's a long time. That's gonna reach a tipping point at the end, at the end end end of this episode. And one could ask, how could you be so heartless? Oh? How could you be so It wasn't how could you be there? Evil?

But also I didn't get along the same thread of a tortured artist thinking they have to be depressed, yes, make art. I think there's an element of that even for Kanye, like I don't think, I mean, I think it was if he's medicated or not, you know what I mean, Like he is. He has said that sometimes he goes authentication. Yeah, exactly, you know, and I and yeah,

the tortured artist thing. I know some like New York Times bestsellers authors who are like, yes, I know I'm bipolar, and I know when I have to write this book, I'm going to get off these pills. I'm gonna write

it in in two days, I'm gonna turn in. And I think that's that's made worse by people like tying like people in doing my research for this episode, a lot of people talk to West in person and like talk about like his genius, And I think this idea of his genius mixed in with his mental state can create a really volatile reaction someone's brain when they feel like certain altered states of consciousness are what makes you have your genius. And that's really the way people have

talked about this to Conye in person. I think it's really unhealthy. Yeah. I would argue that telling a child they're a genius is abusive, and it's probably true for telling an adult. It's one of the worst things you can ever tell anybody. Don't don't, no one's a genius. Stop using that word. It's poison. You think your illness

is your genius? Yeah, going back to this, like to these leaked unused Tucker Carlson videos, something like this in a better world would like completely tank Tucker forever, Like yeah, but none of that matter because in any other yeah, in any other universe, at that point you should be like, yo, we gotta stop the cameras man. No. Yeah, Like, this leak reveals unequivocally how Carlson uses this platform to sanitize anti Semitism and other conspiracy theories. For a general audience.

Carlson cuts out just enough to claim plausible deniability. This will not impact him professionally at all. Um, he makes his he makes a living manipult people on Fox News. Um, this should tank him. It won't, But it does reveal how he works with extreme clarity. Having these behind the scenes glimpses and then also having having the added context of these cut segments also shines a light on some of the more dog whistle the aspects that did make

it into the aired interview. Uh like this bit that started with that that that that started with Kanye talking about his grievances with Jared Kushner, you know, or he made these peace treaties? Where was that? You know? The facts on this right here. So I'm like, well, I think that was between Israe and some of the Arab nations. I just think it was to make money. I don't know, is that is that too heavy handed to put in this platform? No, that's that's your opinion. We're not in

a censorship business, Okay, thank you. And I just think that that's what they're about is making money. I don't think that they have the ability to make anything on their own. I think they were born into money. So when Kanye said I don't think they have the ability to make anything on their own and talking about, you know, peace treatise with the intention to make money, Carlson knew that Kanye was just talking about like the Jews, like that's like he he knew that's what was going on,

and decided to keep those dog whistly aspects. It's yeah, I'm I'm going to quote from a lad near ry. This provides uncontrovertible proof that Carlson knew Kanye was being anti Semitic during the interview. In other words, Tucker Carlson and his team purposely edited their footage to make Kanye's comments into a dog whistle instead of a foghorn. He purposely coded Kanye's anti semitism. Carlson knows how to spread anti semitism while avoid getting called out. He did it here.

This itself should be a far bigger scandal than anything Kanye has said. Carlson knowingly spreaded this code anti semitism and knowingly kept the anti semitism that he knew he wouldn't get called out on, and knowingly cut the part

that he knew would get him in trouble. Carlson has spent has spent years spreading anti Semitic conspiracy theories, from a full documentary about George Sorrow's destroying Western civilization to multiple uses of the Great Replacement conspiracy theory to anti Semitic guests talking about globalist elites ruling in d C. This is who Tucker Carlson is America's leading purveyor of mainstream anti Semitism. He also showed everybody the the ultra light being to the genitals. He did one thing and

it was more based moments. That was pretty Uh that was a thing. I was like, all right, man, okay, you did genital tannin got it? Uh, But yeah, that's his that's his particular Like mutant power is saying something without saying something, and all of us know what you're saying, but you ain't say it. So when I go, what then did you just say? You could say? What? Are you talking about? Nothing? You know it? I mean he's

got it. I mean he's he's the Picasso that like just and it's and it's so infuriating and speaking of kind of dog whistles and stuff, similar to Kanye has been about the Jews creating cancel culture by doing the whole I don't think they have the ability to make anything on their own statement, Kanye isn't playing another kind of classic anti anti Semitic trope that or that originates with Nazi propaganda, um that you know, Jews are incapable

of physical labor or making things. This comes up a lot in the nineteen forty Nazi propaganda film The Eternal Jew, one of the most vile films ever made a quote from Mike Rothschild, So now, I I don't think Kanye Kandie is not seeing the Eternal Jew. All the the only people, most weird Nazi nerds who referenced the Eternal Jew haven't seen the Eternal Jew. Like But but the

point is that you don't need to see it. These these these stereotypes are so ingrained to how many people see Jewish people that there's things that you can believe without the slightest consideration or like a deep thought. Well, and they were, you know, the The Eternal Jew was influential in anti Semitic propaganda, but a lot of what it was doing was kind of codifying, almost if you will, the most popular stereotypes and racialist attacks of the day.

Like it It didn't invent stuff so much as it was like, all right, we're going to we're going to boil it all down in kind of the most iconic form. Yeah, there's I was today years old. I had no idea what you some up. Uh, But but I can see how that concept has such source material because as somebody who you know, I have just anti Semitism is just has never been on the menu for me. Um. Some of the the tropes that come with that, in my mind, seems so bizarre from like what are you talking about?

What did that come from? What did you talk about? They did what? Now? You know? So like someone like so to know that, like, well there is source material, there's there's stuff that comes from it comes from this time.

It was because it is because this was like an intentional thing that people have been pushing towards for hundreds of years, like this is it's it's yes, this didn't just happen, this is like people are trying to make this a reality, like it's it's it has been a propaganda project and a hate campaign that's been genocidal for hundreds of years. Yeah, because I'm like, okay, you know at sometimes Okay, I'm trying to say, what up? Let me try to figure out what I'm trying to say.

Sometimes you can track, Yeah, like the protocols, Like the protocols. I was like, until you understand those protocols, Like some of the anti Semitic thought and rhetoric is like, man, what are you talking about? Like what you know? Text like that don't just like pop into existence. Someone wrote that with a specific intent, with an intent for something.

But what I'm the point I'm trying to get at is like there are some racist sentiments and tropes that I I'm following your logic as to why you're saying that about them, Like clearly it's a racist shrope. But black men are violent. And I'm like, well, okay, I mean, if all you know of us is gang violence, if that's all you've seen, and I'm following your logic, you've

just never been exposing any other stuff. Now, once you get exposing and stuff, you still feel like that, it's like all right, you just you just trash, You just you just trash. But I'm like, I'm following, I'm following you. You know what i mean? You only know rap music Okay, that's all you know of us. Okay, then you think that this is what we are racist, because clearly most people are more than everybody's, more than the one thing

you're trying to put them in, you know. But I'm following that it's just for me again, like I said, since like anti Semitism was never on the menu, like it was never just it just wasn't a part of my world. When you hear things like the Protocols of Zion and and some of this stuff, even even learning about the Holocaust, Like if you're a black person, you like, what's your deal? Like why what? What you what is so wrong with them? Like I don't understand why you

don't like them so much? Like it it's just it's like I can't even follow your logic, you know, because it's not even personal hatred of all people, right, It's it's framed within this conspiratory thing. But like, no, I don't hate Jewish people. I'm just questioning the Jewish power brokers in Hollywood and I think that they have too

much influence. Right, That's how it's framed, and that's how people that's how someone like Kandie might actually like I think I actually feel because it works in Hollywood, right, But but that but that is the only way you get there is because of decades of anti semitism like that, that's it's it's it's it's that. That's that's the kind

of point I was trying. Not that, Yeah, j K Rowling, Banker Goblins, and it just like exists by itself exactly like none none of these things are made in a vacuum. They made thought of that. So you said it, oh ship, oh yeah, there's a start of David on the floor of the bank. I didn't even notice it. That don't point out its yeah one. I mean, one of the things people will point out that is true is that

that was not a set. They were filming in an actual building and they chose to have that there, and and the building had a star of David in the

Florida and they chose to film there. Yes, it seems like that would have been something people might have noticed, yeah, at least not even go over it, not even like yo yo maybe maybe listen, maybe we don't mean anything by it, but it could be seen as you know, yeah, and just like just like none of these things that are in a vacuum and Kanye's own statements are not in a vacuum. After Kanye made these tweets, uh, you know, four Chan was quick to take it, was quick to

eat up the Kanye pill. There Kanye Kanye threads took up of took up most of polls posts for for days. There's there's just there's screenshots of of poll just Kanye post after Kanye post, all of all of the trending

ones are all about Kanye. Uh. Nick Frentz and his like grapper followers were celebrating the tweets and they see this as an opportunity took on a mainstream you know there their brand of horrible anti Semitic fascism um, and I hope people are prepared to take on you know, fake Kanye stand accounts that are going to pop up everywhere to defending is Ani Semitism, like you know, and defending and talking about anti Semitism from the point of

quote unquote being a Kanye fan. It's there's a lot of Yeah, we've been a lot of fascist trolling is gonna it's gonna come in the mask of Kanye West now. And we have been Yeah, we've I mean We've been enduring among black Twitter. We have been enduring Kanye stands for a while. You know what I'm saying that are just like, no, it's just a genius, y'all, don't understand. He's playing three D. We've been enduring this for a while. It's actually been very interesting in the sphere of the Internet.

I existed of seeing people being like, uh, yeah, no, I got nothing. Yeah. There has been a good amount of people that are finally tapped out, And I think, well, I think that what is that type of vacuum opens up face for bad actors to use the mask of Kanye to then just promote fascism under under this mask now like Trump, like magat sure, I mean like, And I think that this creates a more specific type of dog whistle think because megas obviously way more way more broad.

I meant like me like Kanye's use of absolutely, I mean, we have you know. Nick Frentees posted the tweets and his in his telegrams saying no way, we are so back. Do you trust the plan? Baked Alaska? Do you trust Baked Alaska? Posted his telegram This is real, vindicated and one of my least favorite telegram channels Zoomer Waffen, which god, just god, it's called every every time I talked about zoomer waff I like I lose five years of life.

So people again, because folks who are not terminally online or like, what are you guys talking about? Waffen means weapon in German. The reason that it is a thing the Nazis talk about is that the s S had like a bunch of different things the s S did, but one of the things they had was a unit that existed within kind of the traditional hierarchy called the Waffen s S, which means the weapons s S. They

committed a shipload of war crimes. Ever since, Waffen has been a thing that you can kind of like stick to the end of the name of a group and you're signifying that you think the SS was based Adam. Waffen is kind of the most prominent terrorist group in the United States and other countries. That's been a big thing. And you know, it's not like zoom like you get what they're saying, the zoom or Waffen, right, it's the

thing anyway, That's that's what you need to know. I just I just I get so pissed because I'm like, he's fucking nerds, know that, dangerous fucking nerds. It sucks. Yeah, I hate you, y, I'm just like you, just you God, if you weren't so dangerously violent, you know, just yeah, that's that. That is the recurring statement on this show is that if they weren't dangerous, they would be much

more funny. Um so yeah, the Zoomerwafins posted the tweet and not not not all heroes wear capes somewhere easy gath merch and with its anyway. So, just two days after the ati semitic posts on his social media accounts which got him banned, Conye then attended the Nashville premier of Candice Owens Daily Wire documentary project The Greatest Lie Ever Sold George Floyd and the Rise of BLM. And just imagine being one of the most famous people on

the planet and choosing to hang out with the Daily Wire. Yeah, like like the like they like the word grooming obviously means nothing now, but like they groomed him into this ship, like the and groomed him into this nonsense. Kanye made a lot of choices here, and those choices were like very selfish and based in narcissism. And while he is sick, he's not a victim fundamentally, but he also is being taken advantage of, right, Like that's that's fair to say.

That doesn't exculpate him from his guilt inness. But we're going Mr West another another Kanye reference, Wake up, Mr West, and like, like real quick, the the part that is so well, obviously it's all inferiorating. But I'm like, you're you're you're going out of your way to purposefully tear down black people when they suffering. You don't have to.

You don't You could even say, like, hey, you know which is true, Like there are some in the organization of Black Lives Matter as an organization, there's some problematic stuff that needs to be discussed and worked out, you know what I'm saying, and being like, Okay, well, let's get some oversight here. What are we doing here, Let's have some accountability? Why are you why are you inting Swart Floyd Man, Well, because this is this is this

is Kenneth Owens like explicit grift exactly. That's what she she Her job is to conflate the Black Lives Matter nonprofit organization with the Black Lives Matter movement, and and and and use criticisms of the nonprofit organization to basically say that any form of advocacy by people of color in you know, using the Black Lives Matter movement banner is is discredited because of the issues with the formal

nonprofit organization in Portland. I have never I've never seen a single thing related to the Black Lives Matter organization, not a single thing. I mean, I guess maybe the signs like are solved by them, I don't know that. But like, it's it's not it's not a president. We're talking about risings. It's not a fit. Like it's the the conflation of the of the nonprofit organization with the movement is the specific thing that canadas Once has focused

on for the past five years of her career. That's that's what she makes money on, is exploiting this little thing. And it's the thing that Tucker has adopted and this is the thing that she is convinced. It's just so it's just so like what do you do, like, okay, so any anything, okay, talk about talk about globalism you okay, that's your little thing. That's your little thing. Okay, uh, you know, you don't like that. You don't like the Democrats,

you know, you know, Brandon whatever. But it's like, Okay, a man died and and that's and the cop was proven guilty and that that that's that's the most gross part because Kanye is embraced conpc theories now about the fine thing, right, Yeah, but his embraceive conspiracy theories is not just limited to anti is not just limited to anti Semitism. He now openly denies the proven facts of the events that led to the most recent international uprising

in the Black Lives Matter movement. He jumped on board his pal kendas owens absurd quote unquote documentary that claims the sequence of events proven in court and witnessed by the world via self and footage, did not actually happen. Um. That's why I'm like, you're going out of your way now. It's like you you're you're on a path, and I'm like, you're purposefully going out of your way to hurt us. And that's the part that I'm like, what I said, I don't use the word cone often, but I'm like, like,

why are you doing why are you doing this? Like you're you're well because we know why you're doing it.

And it's just like Candice, come on, like Cape Cape for the Republicans, do what you gotta do if you honestly think the solutions for our community comes from the conservative world, Kape for him, do what you gott You don't have to go out of your way like this is you're going to like you're taking the scenic route to just like okay, yeah, it's they it's because I don't they don't actually believe that that's what the solutions.

They're just they're just living a really wealthy, extravagant lifestyle. Canda, someone gets to travel with Kanye West to Paris Fashion Week, she gets to have a red Carb premier with Kanye West, Kid Rock and ray J. Like that's that's the life that she has been able to create by exploiting this thing. And of course she's going to do it because that's how you become a millionaire. Two kinds of people get

successful on the right. One kind is fuck you got mine, I'm gonna get what I can as quickly as I can uh, and the other is I want to create a Christian fascist ethno state. Um, Like those are the two kinds, and one feeds into the other and Canadas, Owens has decided, I'm fine with helping the other kind of prominent conservative accomplish their goals because it won't get too bad, you know, during my lifetime. I can make

enough money. I'm one of the good ones. They're like, this is this is this is the same thing with someone like Blair White for you know, for um, for trans issues. There's there's there's a specific tokenized figures Dave Reuben with you know, with gay people, like if they align as one of the good ones and they think that things won't get bad enough in their lifetime and

they'll they'll they'll just they'll just be able to profit. Yeah, yeah, wait, wait, just to make sure, is Dave Reuben the dude that was like, well, scientifically speaking, a mermaid couldn't be that dark. No, that's uh, that feels like a Ben Shapiro or crowder bit. I I don't remember specifically, Okay, I thought that the way it was hilarious, it was one of those clowns they yeah, well, scientifically speaking, they're all paid by the

same dude, it doesn't matter. I feel need to get this joke off, So it's frusting that Kanye not only just attended the premiere, but it's now actually parenting the disinformation and the the talking points that Kenneth Owens used in her faux documentary. So just a few days after he went to the Red Carpet, he started spreading the disinformation on the police's murder of George Floyd on a podcast. I watched the George Floyd documentary that Candice has put up.

One of the things that his two roommates said was, they want a tall guy like me, they want a talk guy like me. And the day when he died, he said a prayer for you know, eight minutes. He said a prayer for eight minutes. They hit him with the fence and all if you look, the guy's knee wasn't even on his neck like that. When he said Mama, mama, his is his girlfriend, they said, he's screamed for his mama.

Mama was his girlfriend's in the documentary. So that's pretty bad. Um. And after after that he starts talking about other kind of random conspiracy theory stuff that inevitably leads him to making more comments about the Jews. Um. So here's that clip they blocked me out. The Jewish media block me out. This ship lit right, I'm lit right, I'm lit, I'm lit. You know what I'm saying, JP Morgan, I put a hundred forty million dollars and the JP Morgan and they

treated me like ship. So if JP Morgan Chase is treated me like that, how they treating the rest of you? And this chaunts That's what I'm saying. I am outraged by the time. People always they want to calm it down because no matter what, you didn't break no law. I didn't break a law anything, but this is it's like a social contract. Candice always has a word for him forgetting but it's basically like they told candas so and she couldn't hang out with me. For the Jewish people.

What I'm doing is I'm me too in the Jewish culture. I'm saying, y'all gotta stand up and admit to what you've been doing. And y'all just got away with it for so long did y'alln't even realize what you're doing? And it's like I can't funk with me either because y'all behind that gate of fish, y'all soft, your hands got soft. You ain't out here getting beat up every day like me. You ain't out here getting called crazy

every day like me. I'm not gonna play anymore of that podcast because honestly, this is where it starts getting into the territory where it's just kind of exploiting someone's mental health issues for entertainment, and it gets like, this is where it gets very disjointed. Connie starts talking about how the Louisvatan company killed one of his friends, Yeah, who actually died of cancer. Um, it's a it's a

conspiracy that Connie has developed the past year. And he also talked about this for seven minutes UM in the unused Tucker Carlson segments, which I'm also not going to include because it's also for context, Like Virgil is like royalty among our community, like what he did being the versus Black, like head designer at Louis battan Um, and I think a lot of us think a lot of us I sound like Trump, a lot of people that are saying no, but there is an understanding that UM.

Like in a lot of ways Kanye was jealous of him, Um in the in the way that he was able to succeed in Louis Batton and then now that he's gone, and clearly Kanye doesn't grieve well as we know yea and yeah, another segment of the Tucker leak includes the clip where Kanye is discussing visions from God on how to build free energy and fully kinetic energy communities and

kinetic energy cities. So this combine, like this is where I'm not going to actually include an more clips of Kanye because it's just it's it's just the laughing at the person who's not doing okay bit and that's not cool. Now obviously, like mental illness is not cannot be used as an excuse for bigotry or anti semitism um. But exploding someone's suffering through like up a manic episode to

score political points is also like immoral um. And we're seeing a lot of like false choices being presented towards mental illness and anti semitism, and the answer can actually be both. Um. You know, those struggling with mental illness do not kind of they don't originate these types of bigotry, right um. But in but when you're manic, you can

latch onto things and reflect them. Um. And that's not saying it's okay, but that also it's we should not deny that, Like I have seen a lot of people saying like, mentally ill people don't say racist things, which are like, that's not true. Like if like, if you, if you've been around a lot of mentally ill people, they cannot they can it's it's it's. It's the same thing with people when people's brains are deteriorating on dementia.

One of the last things they can say are curse words. Yeah, it's it's, it's it's it's one of those weird like like vector points inside our brain. So yeah, you you actually can be be racist when you're not usually racist if you're experiencing a severe mental health episode, and that's

not that's not excusing you for your behavior. But also we shouldn't create this false division, and we shouldn't like in some ways it's like you're like a gate keeping mental illness by saying no, no real mentally ill person could say these bad things, which actually in supportive people experiencing mental distress. Yeah, it's on that same lane as like the you know, the mass shooters and stuff like that. If you're just going to call it mental illness, then

like you can obscate any response. But but but also refusing to acknowledge that mental health can play a fact are inside some mass shootings also misses the point exactly. It's yeah, you can play a very large factor, especially in the waves like Schizawave inspired shootings. Exactly. That's That's what I was gonna say. That that that conflation of something that really is real and really is important, you know. Uh,

you see that. I see that with like I've known people who have worked in like um, you know, like legit human trafficking, like not like the dog whistlee version, but like actual rescuing you know, traffic girls from the sex industry who were like pulled from a village you know what I'm saying and put into a brothel. Like people that are like really out here, like actually doing the work, you know, where trafficking is a thing, you know.

And then you conflated with these you know, conspiracies, and then like and of course a person who really works in this thing, you like, you finally feel like you getting some traction with people to actually care about the stuff you care about, you know what I'm saying. And now now it's like if you mentioned trafficking. It's like, yeah, you can't. It's like, how do I It's like, no, serious, it's really a thing. Guy's really it is, you know.

But trying to disentangle it from Yeah, that's what you're saying, is like to to to do a one or the other thing is missing the point of both situations. Yeah, yeah, because because obviously, like Kanye isn't someone who's dealing with like a temporary mental health episode where he's yelling slurs on the side of a sidewalk. Kanye is like an

affulent man who's making calculated and financially driven choices. But that still doesn't mean that stuff like bipolar does not play a factor in the types of impulsive decision making he's making and the types of people that he surrounds himself with, which influences this pattern of behavior. Combined with like social media and combined with his celebrity status, christ

the cycle of really healthy choices. Um Like when when you're talking about like fake children being planted in your home, that's like, yeah, that's not like it's that's that's not dismissing that as being no way related to mental illness. I think is kind of a misstep. Um. I mean it's It's one of the things that's tough about this is that it hits all of the areas that, like the primary places where conversation takes part socially are worst

at dealing with. Because like, as we've said, mental illness is a major factor in this. It also does not exculpate him from bad behavior. It doesn't make what he's saying not racist. Um. But it's also tied into like this deep manipulation campaign that the right is because they've

been looking for a guy like this forever. And you can see like that that's why Tucker and all these folks were so quickly to spin up when he wound up being like amenable to that, like and it's yeah, because he's he's very clearly being encouraged to keep doing these sort of things for like entertainment and cloud um. And I think a lot of the responses to this kind of show how stigmatized that more severe personality disorders are compared to stuff like anxiety or depression or a

d H d UM. Because you also don't want to like villainize bipolar disorder instinct and stigmatize it further because a lot of people can live with bipolar disorder. I've known I've known people that live with with bipolar disorder who are not going on anti semitic rants like it's like it manifests different and lots of other people. So it's you should not use this as an example to stigmatize other people with this or say it's just this

um it creates you have to talk about. You have to kind of think of with this in a multi in a multi fasted fashion where someone's not just good or not just bad. It's actually you have to get you know, less into like puritanical, you know, perfectly unblemished victims and you know evil e like like evil intention depress serves like it. It's it's more complicated than that. And the Internet is bad with bad bad of nuance one of the starns out The Internet sucks at Nuance.

The closest off we're going to talk about how Kanye really has kind of been played by by people like Candace Owens because a little over a week after his banishment from the two big mainstream social media platforms this past Monday, Kandie announced that he has entered a deal to buy the failed far right social media platform Parlor.

Parlor CEO George Farmer said that his wife, conservative influencer Candace Owens approached Kanye about a Parlor deal while attending his Paris Fashion Week show where the boat where the pair of them wore the black wore the White Lives Matter shirts. So Candace Owens has been playing Kanye this entire time and is and is convinced Kanye to buy her husband's failing business like she's just playing him, like

like Parlor has currently only daily active users. Even gab get Her and Trump's and Trump's Truth Social have way more daily users than Parlor, and Kennis Owens has convinced has convinced to buy this platform. I'm sorry, did you say her husband owns Parlor? Yes, her husband is the CEO of Partner. Okay, And for an idea of how failed it is, the people I know who spend a lot of their time hanging out in far right spaces

don't even get on Parlor anymore. Like it's it's it's it's not, it doesn't matter, it's yes, it's the CEO is Kennys Owens husband. I am climped. I didn't. I mean, it's an obvious grift. Right, yeah, I'm like, see, this is a bad one. She's a very smart she is, she's a successful grifter. She that is. I I can't believe it, Like she finally broke character. What I've been asking for these last to this, these these two hours,

is give me a moment of clarity. You just gave it to me, right like, she, Oh, there it is. This is what I've been waiting for. Got it. I have I've one more page before we before we close out. So okay, okay, alright. I feel I don't know how. I can't explain this, the sense of relief. I feel like it's so weird to say that, but I feel

so relieved that I'm like, no, it's it's. It's it's it's extremely telling and it confirms a lot of the things that we've been thinking about what's been going on between her and Kanye for the past like five years. Um So, Kanye has been hit with a with a two d and fifty million dollar lawsuit by the family of George Floyd. The lawsuit was filed by Roxy Washington on behalf of her and George Floyd's a daughter, Gina.

In In a statement, Washington's lawyers confirmed that she's doing Kanye West and his business partners for defamation, harassment, misappropriation, and infliction of ootional distress UM, and the legal team is allegedly considering a number of other possible defendants in the case, including Candace Owen's. So it sucks that that's happening, but I like that, like that, that's just like retraumatizing

to the entire family. Um that they're having to dredge up all this stuff to sue fucking Kanye West and Candace Owen's. That sucks, But I hope that they get all of their money. Like yeah, I like, I hope that they get to live forever on the money of Kanye West. Um, it's like, look, dude, like again, it's just that like that oh saying it's like, you ain't gotta like me, but just you you don't. You also

don't have to be in my way, you know. So even when I look at somebody like a Candice or whatever, this like this sphere of of specifically persons of color in this right wing grivet, that I'm like, you don't, like, you don't have to help me, but you also don't have to hurt me, you know. And that's and that's the part to me again, I keep coming back to that. It's like you're going out of your way to hurt us, Like that's that's I'm like, I don't get it, man,

Like you don't. You don't have to do. There is so much money. Here's the thing. And this is gonna sound terrible, but I mean it to be terrible. There is so much money to be made off white people. Like you can make so much money from them. We have a lot of it. We took it from everywhere else. Yes, you can make so much from them without destroying it, without tearing us down, you know. Just it's like get

your money. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm now gonna read like my thesis on this, because again I did, I did, I did not. I initially did not want to cover this. I thought we probably shouldn't. I thought that it's it's kind of explitting the same media cycles that encourages this type of healthy behavior in the first place. But I have a thesis on this that I when I kind of go through and then get on them, we can

and and and and this discussion. So in an online economy based on shock ad driven head discourse and data

collecting online engagement. Kanye's outbursts are useful to be deployed as ready made ammunition for culture wars, even though what he said is so obviously beyond the pale quoting New Republic, West's celebrity, still existent despite years of controversy and alienation, is simply too valuable for the Right after decades of being denied the endorsement of of predominant celebrities, with the exception of like Clint Eastwood, um and and and someone

like Donald Trump, and the Rights gritting their teeth through how celebrities don't really matter to them. The Right cherishes the affection it receives from controversial crossover figures such as Elon Musk and Kanye West, and doesn't want to lose them to disrepute, or at least wants to continue using them in spite of it. West's willingness to lend his imper mater to the pet cause is of people like Carlson and kind of Swan's makes him invaluable and un jettisonable.

To pick up a quote from the from uh The Washington Post. Polling has repeatedly shown that white Republicans view themselves as targets of discrimination equivalent to non majority groups. Carlson and Trump, sharing in that sense, highlight anecdotes that reinforce that sense, and push back against the group that's most forcefully calling for the playing field to be leveled, the Left, the new elite. So Carlson sees Kanye wearing a shirt that explicitly casts whites as victims and understands

the opportunity. Here's a member of the inner circle of the elite, a black man who's willing to elevate the idea that white lives are disadvantaged in an equivalent way to black lives. To validate the victimization and discomfort, Let's set up an interview unquote. So for Carlson's purposes, West did not have to be holly coherent. He can easily edit out the parts where he's ranked about the Jews,

visions of kinetic energy cities, and fake children. Carlson was able to present to his viewers a famous black man who is being punished for holding views abhorred by the gate keeping cultural elites. In the podcast, West combined his anti semitism and anti black infantilization into slander that Jewish

people have owned the black voice. But it's Kanye whose voice and platform is being used by far right grifters for profit by stoking white populist racism against both Jews and black people, and now to buy their failed social media apps. The conservative Christian right that has grown to use Kanye as a token won't be so quick to

disown him for overtly conspiratorial or biggest statements. One of the lessons that the right has learned from Donald Trump is that there's no advantages to be gained from criticizing one zone as long as they're remaining loyal to the fundamental causes of the movement, especially when it comes to exploiting white grievance. West is then permitted to be as blatantly anti Semitic as he wants without fear of sanction.

He is clearly bigoted and clearly suffering, but the right clearly considers him to be the most useful idiot, or perhaps one of the brave few people who's willing to say the things that others may think but don't yet dare utter. Some have argued that there's no point in searching for meaning in Kanye's almost decades long descent, that there's no deeper insight here, just the truth that that anti Semitism is noxious and we're a tragically long way

from defeating it. But I think that misses the relatively clear trajectory that Kanye has been on since ultra life, being to this now Christian identity but black shit, and the very real danger and influence that a relatively small and unknown weirdos like Candice Owens can have on like

countrywide politics. And finally, to paraphrase from the Columbia Journalism Review, Kanye West's statements are not of no consequence, but anyone who spends time thinking about them and talking about them needs to not be complicit in exacerbating those consequences, whether that be platforming bigotry or stigmatizing mental health issues. If the median and the press must cover Kanye, they should do so with context and with an eye towards accuracy, reality, history,

and motivation. At minimum, coverage should isolate what's important to Kanye's and the story and describe it clearly for what it is, rather than mining him for controversy and then performing ignorance or agnosticism about the substance of what he's saying,

sadly too much. Top Line coverage of Kanye's recent outbursts did the latter, with several mainstream outlets referring to the tweets and headlines as alleged anti Semitic posts, or wrote that the posts have been widely deemed to be anti Semitic language that clearly reveals more about the authors than its subject. So that that's kind of my thesis on why this is worth talking about and all of the moving aspects about what's going on here between Canadas, Owens, Tuck, Tucker, Carlson,

and Kandye West. So, yeah, good work, let's all go be sad. Yeah, there's not really a solution here except

besides celebrity. Like, I mean, you know, all of this has at its root the same problems, which is that when you allow money to equivalentate like social and political power or equal social and political power, and when you then hand certain individuals huge amounts of money, um, a lot of them will either be outright evil or out of their minds, or a combination of the two, and they can cause tremendous damage to society as a result of it. Um. So it's good, Yeah, I think that

there's two. You know, from from my perspective, there's the the metaphorical question of like, okay, is he disinvited to the barbecue? Like, which is a you know, get a metaphorical question, don't if you guys know what I mean when we say that, It was like can he come to the bar few? Yeah? So like yeah, you know what I mean? Like, so the question we need to ask as a community, as the culture, like he so

lovingly decides to mock um, but is that okay? So, as a community, what does it take for us to finally disavow somebody's statements and just be like, all right, brother, you're gone, you know, because right now it's up for debate. You know, there are people that like, you know, we checked out long time ago. You know, there are other people that are like still like, you know, we love the old Kanye and that genius is still in there. Yeah,

but this album slaps Okay, I know he problematic. I know he put the red hat on, but you know, the Sunday services were so dope, you know what I'm saying, Like, so you have that discussion continually happening. But I think that that's something asked for for our community. We need to learn how to We need to really discuss, you know, what does it take for us to like finally let

somebody go. Like again, I I keep going back to our Kelly because I'm like, dog, we knew, we knew since Aliah that like this brother had problems, you know. I mean, I think if if there's a way to not alienate him fully so that his only friend is Candace Owens, that would be great exactly. That's that's why it's up for debate. It's like you, I don't know how that process works. That's what I'm trying to say. That's part of the part. That's part of the problem.

It's like, but you know why we why it hasn't had why it doesn't happen so fast? Like I said, like, our defense is normally, our collective identity is the community. That's how we defend each other and protect each other from falling off the edge, either from the police or from yourself. It's like you bring them in and just be like, oh, baby, we need to have a talk, you know. Um, But at some point you're like all right, family done, you know. And that's what happened with R. Kelly.

It was like, all right, dog, we tried you know, uh, we we tried you we can't do this no more, you know. Um. I think there's that, and I think there's also another question obviously, the the American evangelical, which you know, statistically speaking, still only represents nine to eleven

percent of christian as a whole across the world. So you really like it's a this is a specific to us in America problem, And I just wonder that's another question to me, Like y'all like they always looking for whether it was Tim Tebow or you, always looking for champions, you know, and and this keeps happening to you, keeps happening to you, and y'all end up looking like assholes, you know what I'm saying, and just not like the faith you say you profess, Like when are y'all gonna

stop looking for champions, Like when you're gonna stop looking for your and just be like, let's just do the ship our book says, you know, like for better or for worse? Like you know, I just think that these are again, these are interesting cultural questions. See, you don't need no celebrity, Like why y'all always think you need a celebrity because you just because again you're just trying to be cool while at the same time saying that you stand against the culture. It's like, well, well, funk,

will you stand against the culture? Why are you always trying to have somebody from the culture to be a hero, you know, like well ship, Like, I don't know, I'm just saying like I think I do think that Again, I don't have no answers either, but I think that these are like questions that everybody that this fool affected y'all really need to ask yourself, Like you need to ask yourself, you know, like you said, like the mental health stuff, the problem of celebrity, which is a bigger problem.

But to me, these are he he he made. He's making us inadvertently ask ourselves these big systemic questions that we still are afraid to reckon with. I feel like I think that's a good note to end. Well, everybody that's gonna do it for all of us here man, thanks for having the several podcasts that this is uh.

You can sten to hood politics by typing hood politics into whatever it is you used to look for things, and you can listen to it could happen here by typing it could happen here into whatever thing you type stuff into, go type stuff. Now bye, Oh God is dead. I'm Robert Evans. Welcome to the podcast where the first episode of Spooky Week past try to figure out who murdered God and come to the conclusion that it was

almost certainly will weep, I'm pointing my finger at someone else. Actually, Robert, I'm fingering Bigfoot. And wow. Okay, now now, Daniel, Daniel, I'm gonna need you to just cut that audio online out of the episode so that everyone on the team can play it as a drop whenever we need to. James admitting to fingering Bigfoot. Um, all right, that's gonna be an episode everybody of a good week. God bless you. This is it could happen here. This is Spooky Week, right,

we're recording our first spooky crazed be to God. Um, all right, what do we what do we have for the ladies and not not the gentleman. This one's just for the ladies. I'm gonna say that right now, says hers and slurs. It's it's what we what we got today.

What we got today, Robert Garrison, is some stories about cryptids and So I want to start in the autumn Garrison was not alive and Robert and now we're much younger, and I want to start in northern California where one night through Emen set out to execute a pretty routine We trade right and had drops the kindyself, get some money, come home. And it's not exactly a secret that at that time and in that place there was a lot of illegal girl operations and it's not exactly a secret. Yeah, yeah,

have you heard about this? Yeah? Yeah, I mean like it's number one once you hit about anywhere in like the coastal northern caliph Fornia, from like Santa Cruz on up. Uh, bigfoot is like a topic not even not even really of discussion. But there's just big foot ship all over the goddamn place. Um, from Arcada to like Grants Pass is probably the biggest density of bigfoot ship. But it's all throughout or again all throughout Washington. You get a decent amount in Idaho, I think too. Um, but yeah,

people make a lot of money of big foot. It's even a Bigfoot highway up there. But yeah, I was listening to a dogship podcast recently. It's not very good. It's called wild thing. It's buy some former NPR reporter the Squatches podcast. Right, Yeah, she's doing like a Bigfoot thing. It's just not very good. Like there's bits in there where she'll like quote one guy who's like, there's a lot.

There's so much evidence for bigfoot. If you type big foot into Google, there's like a eleven million results, and an actual scientist will be like, there's no evidence for bigfoot, and she just as like, what are we to think? Both sides? Both sides? Yeah, yeah, I did not find it very edifying. I was listening to it while I was alone on the mountain this weekend. There are two sides to bigfoot story, rob it. It doesn't matter if one of them is wrong. No, um, it's very fun.

But yeah, because I also the parts of the West Coast that are Bigfoot country are also the parts of the West Coast that grow like more pot than anywhere else on planet Earth. Yeah. Yeah, which is interesting, isn't it? Because these two things may or may not. Yeah, I think they do. Please continue, Yes, so huluated, I will use to loosely use the word documentary here. Yeah, loose is is good for this, So I again to use

a few words loosely here. So according to David Holt, house journalist, which is again a word I'm using maybe loosely, But he does a pretty good job and he's fine hold house. So the interesting thing about him and what I do kind of like about him, is he's like he worked as a trimmer. Like so the pot industry, there's the people who move the marijuana around the country, including smuggle it into places where it's still fully illegal.

There's the people who sell it, either illegally or at dispensaries. Um, there's the people who grow it. And then the largest by number chunk of the weed trade, or the trimmers. And those are the people every season, usually in the fall, come down for three or four months northern California's southern Oregon mostly and they take raw marijuana that's been like bucked and cut off of the plant and they trim

it into the kind of buds that you buy. Um. And this guy was doing that back in the nineties, and he ran into these stories about a big foot murdering two or three Mexican guys. Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah, so I think he actually has a really good job in this documentary. Yeah, I I actually didn't think it

was was bad. No, No, I was ready for it to be bad, but I was quite impressed with So what happened is, Yeah, like Robert says said, there are these probably migrant probably undocumented workers right who come well a lot of them, there's a good chunk of them, probably, I don't know by my estimates. Maybe are like mostly white kids from various parts of the country. A lot of them are folks who are either kind of seasonally unhoused.

Many of them like live in camp basically in places like Arcada a big chunk of the year, and then we'll live on farms while they trim Um. There are a decent chunk who are undocumented. A lot our mong um, Like a lot of are like first, like particularly older among people who like came here after Vietnam and started businesses and then like their kids and grandkids got into

the pot trade. And we're like, well, my you know, grandma and my aunts retired and they like they living in the woods and are good at tremming, Like we can make a bunch of extra money this way. Um, it's all sorts up there. Yeah, it's kind of fascinating.

So these three guys set out to do this deal, right that they're three of the people who fall into the undocumented labor category, and they never come back, and whole house is sitting in one of these farmhouses or in a trailer or something, when when a couple of guys come in and say, hey, those those dudes never came back and they've been killed. Right, they seem to have been sort of pretty brutally murdered, but the we that they were carrying was still there, so it wasn't

like somebody shook them down and stole the weed. Right. And yeah, you, by the way, if it was a weed industry thing, you probably wouldn't because everyone's got a lot of fucking weed. I Mean, people do steal weed, but if you're out there doing a murder, it's probably because somebody's fucking with your business in a bigger way than whatever they happen to have on the fucking farm. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if a pot murder would not result in whatever ship they had in their trailer actually

getting jacked. Okay, right then, Yeah, because the weeds I think that everyone has so at the time, their deaths are largely, if not entirely factually attributed to Bigfoot. Right, it's put out there that these people were murdered by Bigfoot. Now, they are not the only people whose deaths have been blamed on Bigfoot. Earlier this year, July two, Seminole County Sheriff's Office reported the murder of Mr. Jimmy Knighton, and the press release they said Larry Sanders has reported killing

Mr Jimmy Knighton by the South Canadian River. Sanders and Knighton had been noodling in the river on July. Okay, now, yeah, so given to me, Robert, you're you're from this part of the World's when you stroke a catfish you don't stroke? Well, yes, basically it's when you use kind of your fingers as bait and you catch a catfish by the mouth. Right, Yes,

we call it noodling. What a country, Yes, I mean, James C. Robert to the kids these days, catch a catch a catch a catfish by the north being something very different. So does noodling, Yeah, or as the Mormons call it, soaking. Sure, there's a great story. This is off topic, but there was just an outbreak in South Lake City of armpit crabs because so many Mormon kids are having having armpit sex, and it's it's so funny. Really,

it's not just wow, we're still doing this. We're still doing this, gere, We're gonna be doing this the rest of your natural life. Yeah, never getting past this ship. This is what the future halls feed decades of arm fucking. So Sanders, the knighting with they were old school noodling. They were They weren't online, of course. Yeah, that's that's the best kind of noodling in my opinion, That's what

I've heard. So they're at they're at the river. At some point, Mr Sanders becomes convinced that Knighton has summoned Bigfoot to kill him. Now, that's interesting. You don't hear that a lot. You don't because I didn't think Bigfoot was summonable. That wasn't on the table of things that I thought one could do to a Bigfoot. I mean, I've always thought Bigfoot was summonable, but not for murder. For sex, sure, Okay, yeah, that's why his armpits are

so crabby. Well, that's what everyone says about Bigfoot, so you can identify him in a crowd. So at some point Sanders becomes convinced of Bigfoot is on his way and he's going to kill him, and so he unfortunately strangles his noodling partner to death. Well that's tragic. And then a link part were it's gonna leave it. We're it's gonna leave it. We're just gonna move straight on. Yeah, yeah, So yeah, it does sound rather tragic, It does sound

rather sad. But he seems to have reported pretty openly that he believed that Bigfoot was on its way and if he didn't stop this ritual, that Bigfoot will kill him, and a lot of as it turns out, things that people can't really explain. Often the times when people are in human to other humans tend to be explained as the actions of monsters. Right, And I want to quote from the documentarian, the director Joshua Rope, who made that film. He says, the thing that people should be afraid of

is not the boogeyman in the woods. It's our next door neighbors who will usually commit acts of violence that will then terrify, you know, everybody on the block or in the neighborhood. Rope said that working in northern California was very scary. Did enter a sort of underworld, you know, for lack of a better term, and you know, we were really mindful to try and not overstay our welcome there. So I want to get into cryptids a little bit, and I want to get into some some of the

more famous ones as well as a curse. I've got a curse here. Yeah. The curse is great because it's invented by the California Park Service. But I want to explain kind of the social functions that they sometimes serve as well as just having some fun talking about cryptids. So the one that I thought might serve as social function, and probably the most famous crypted aside from Bigfoot, is

our friend the Chupacabra, right and yeah yeah. In English, that translate to goat soccer, which is okay, yeah, yeah, we're staying. We're staying on this bite. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're on themes a bit garrison. Its culture, yea, not a costume. I'll say this. I'm reading a great book right now about the god Soccer. No it's it's called The Last Emperor of Mexico, and it's about that Habsburg who tried to become the yeah yeah, and they hung his assid in like three weeks. It's very funny. Um yeah,

good stuff. Huge respect to the people of Mexico. So actually know the chuber Caabra doesn't come from Mexico, comes from Puerto Rico. But I didn't know that. Actually, yes,

we get a little bit about the tuber Carbra. The perhaps the best source for this, as far as I can find, is this guy Benjamin Redford, who has written a book about the Tupercabra, and he shows that nearly all of the eyewitness accounts can be traced back to this one, the first account, which was this woman called Madeline Tolentino in the ninet nineties in uh in Puerto

rican Right. So it's also much more recent than I thought. Like, the tuber Cabra is twenty seven years old, it is said's it's younger earn me, which is quite remarkable given how much cultural impact has had. Yeah, I thought I thought it was much older. Yeah, be too. I thought it was just like an old tiny border legend. And

you're what forty nine, James, that's correct. Yeah, yeah, okay, just making no, Yeah, I'm just I'm just kicking here for a couple more years before I can claim that sweet I Heeart Mediation, get that I a ARP, go to the be able to go to the fucking the sizzler and get five percent off. That's it, man. I've got to be issued in my nineteen eleven, which you

get when you're sixty years old. You get a you get a nineteen eleven and you get a Loui's Gift card, and you get to evoke the Second World War whenever anyone is rude to you, even if you weren't in it, and you're you're allowed to drive your car into a farmer's market in the state of California up to twice. You have to try. After that, you have to move to Oregon. M M. That's right. So yeah, I'm until my retirement. They I want to talk a little bit

about this, this super coupla. So uh. They're fascinating because like with big Foot, right there are, as you have mentioned, eleven million Google results, but no actual bigfoots right now, no one's ever found a big foot. No one can present two biggs feet a big big feet? Is that? Yeah? It takes an eye, right, so it's it's from the Italian big feet. That's ready, that's right? Yeah, Okay, so there are a big feete, but there are tuper carbters um.

And the reason there are tuper covers is that what people are tuber carter right, the name goat sucker. And this this will shock you, Garrison, especially that the way that they are sucking goats is perhaps not the way you would expect. Interesting. Yeah, they're very innovative in this regard. What is happening is people are finding their goats, their chickens,

their live stock, with their throat ripped out. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, so it is the way you most animals need throats, right, it's one of the parts that Yeah, they're not interchangeable, they're not. Yeah, they're really it's good to know. This is all really important information. Yeah, so throat free goats, cattle, cheap chickens tend not to survive very long. So a lot of a lot of times people come out in the morning find their animals throatless and dead. Yeah you could.

You could call it a deep throating. That's where they get it right deep in the throat. So they these animals are dead, and the people claim that they're drained of blood, which isn't quite true. Of course, there's there's only there's only two possible explanations, one obviously being vampires um, the other being this being this cript creature. Only possible things that could be that Supercabra is a vampire. It's okay, okay, okay,

so yeah, that's where the ven diagram overlaps. It's this kind of it's it's got goat like legs actually, but then it's bipedal, has kind of a human torso and a sort of lizard meats wolf face. It's okay, so we're we're virging in like Jersey devil vampire terror. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but it prefers warmer climate. It doesn't like Jersey, and frankly, I mean me neither, yea who doesn't. Yeah, look, I don't go east to New Mexico, and I don't think

anyone else should either. No, it doesn't. It doesn't care for Bruce Springsteen, and it doesn't want to live in New Jersey, so it stays out west. But it's been reported all over the world. Actually. Now, the a couple of interesting things about these supercabra is. One is that people have found them, especially in Texas. Right, are you familiar Robert with Texas blue dogs? No, okay, I go

tell Robert something about Texas. So this lady, I don't have her name right down here, she was a Texas nutritionist. And but we do. By the way, I will say, when it cames to like cryptids people taught me about in Texas, it was the tuper cabra. Oh well, yeah, we mean we're basically Mexico like yeah, yeah, not Ted Cruz, who is the other famous Texas crypted Yeah, but I

like Ted Cruz. This this tuper cabra had actually been to a farm and had been ripping out the throats of these animals, right, And this lady had a problem with with the animal's throats being ripped out. And then one day she finds the corps in which she presumes to be a chupercabra. It is hairless, it looks kind of like a dog that has pronounced glands on its bumps, on its back, I guess, and it has thick blue skin.

So what why would you do, Robert, if you, if you were living in Texas you come across a dead chuper cabra, I mean, fry it up a little bit, you know. I hadn't even even some green chili. Throw that ship on there and just kind of haven't even make sense that one didn't even hit me. But yeah, having yeah, I know, there was a couple of taco spots we went to in Texas, which that might have been what was going on. Yeah, you just get whatever kind of me done man or meets meat. Yep. So

that's not what this lady did. She was a nutrition its preaps, so she was a little little worried about the nutritional content. She had it stuffed and it's in her living room today. Okay, okay, it's just like a boy like what like, what what is it? Well, that's an interesting question, isn't it? Gary's It is an interesting question? Yes, what the what the blue dog seems to be? It is some kind of hybrid of a Mexican wolf and a coyote that has some kind of mange, which has

made all its fair fall off. Nearly all of the Chooper cabras are are some sort of canine with mange, because mange makes it look like a fucking monster. Yeah, so what like if you saw a giant sphinx cat, you would also think that's a cripta Yes, yeah, and

especially if they've been ripping the throats. Are you animals, right, because these poor coyotes and feral dogs and search is uh so weakened by the main so they can't prey on wild animals, and so they tend to come Okay, right, it's pretty easy to catch chickens if you can get into the coop, right, because they've got nowhere to go or to catch goats, and so unfortunately, what's happening is that these dogs, these various canids are getting Maine and

they are unfortunately too weak to hunt, and so they're killing things like captive goats and chickens. And that is where the tupercabra miss comes from. Going back to the bipedal tupercabra though, it's very interesting. That sounds a little bit more fun. Yeah. So, in the year before the tuper Carbra was seen, there was a film made in Puerto Rico and it was called Species Oh man, Yeah, okay, okay.

So unfortunately, the the original eyewitness reports which began the year after that film was released, Yeah, this I've heard. They all perfectly described the creature. It's got the spines on its back, Radford. Radford is a person doing right In the book, Radford said, the resemblance between the creature, which is called Sill in the film and the tuper cabra is really impressive. So yeah, the old quadrupedal tuper cabra,

it's a dog with Maine. The bipedal tuper caabra seems to be exclude if Lee explained by this this movie and people's feelings about United States colonialism in Puerto Rico, specifically the number of defense facilities and labs in the un k Rainforest, and their feelings that maybe something like this ship could come out of one of these US labs, because if the US was developing a terrible creature that sucked the blood of people, it would absolutely do it

in one of its colonial properties. Right, Yes, that entirely makes sense. So there's there's in a sense to you, per Carbre, according to Radford's theory, gives a physical manifestation of this feeling of disgust with the the United States. And I got a couple of other cryptids. I was going to talk very briefly about the Beast of Procter Valley, and then I want to talk about the curse of Body, which is a curse, not a cryptid. But first Robert do you know which what will not ambush your life

stock and rip its throat out? Um, I mean like a like a good sheep dog wouldn't do that. That's right, and that's why this so it is presented by border collies. Wow, finally we finally got the big deal with the border collie. Yeah, that's as real complex. That's good. Yep. Just use promo code Robert Evans when you're buying your border collie. Tempt and off. Just walk up to a border collie and shout my name and it's face, try to grab its food away from it rapidly too. That's a good way

to get their attention and see what happens. Refused to be herded. Yeah, so see if it likes that. All right, we're back. I hope you've all got your border collies because this this next, this next crypted is it's a little local one. Okay, So they're crypted a bit like the Tubercarbo all across the country. But the one that we have closest to San Diego is called the Proctor Valley Beast. And now to understand the Proctor Valley Beast,

I think you've got to understand Proctor Valley. Proctor Valley is exactly the sort of dirt road that you go down when you're sixteen years old when you want to go somewhere with your date, pound a few beers and get away from your parents. Right, these kind of exist all over the country, all over the world probably, and there a little closer. They're close enough to know about, but far enough away to seem weird and distant. Right, And Proctor Valley is a gravel road and you can

drive down at a regular cub. It's pretty washboarded. There's no lights, there's no street lights, nothing like that. Right, these days, your greatest danger when you're driving, riding a bike, or walking or driving down Propert Valley Road is the Board of Patrol absolutely hauling ass in one of their Ford Raptors, which they seem to have obtained. And I will never understand their love for the Ford Raptor. Yea,

it is. I don't know how much those costs, but it is an obscene amount of money to spend on a pickup truck. Well, it's also like, look, if I'm going to be out in the in the middle of nowhere and trusting an off roading vehicle, my first pick is not going to be the Ford God damn rap. Well you've got to buy American robot. Yeah. But their border control of course, they're driving forwards, unbelievable. Yeah, well they always have a predator drone again, it can come

rescue him. Yeah. Yeah, the border patrol and steroid abusers in my old neighborhood in West l A. Shaking hands over the Ford raptors. Yea, Ford raptors with illegal things. Yeah, Ford raptors. The car you can only drive if you have adult onset acne caused as a result of objective hormones into your fucking thigh every night. They's had a lot of them in l A. Coincidentally. Yeah, we already need one for you know, getting down Beverly Hills. But not the good hormones, like the ones you you steal

from the horses blood. Yeah. Yeah, the hormones you take when you're wanting to be more matchup but maybe not quite, not quite achieving your gender insecurities. Okay, So legend has it that young couple headed off down Proctor Valley Road one night and their car broke down, so the young man gets out. This is a male female couple and he's going to fix the car, right, And he says to the lady in a very chivalrous way, that she should lock the doors so she's safe. Right. That's last

she hears him. So she assumes he's gone off to get some help. And she nods off, and she's got the doors docks very safety knots off and she's a woken by a kind of scratching sound and the winds howling. Every time the wind blows is a little scratch on the roof. Scratch scratch, scratch, scratch, scratch scratch, right, wind noise. I'm not going to do the wind noise. And she starts shooting herself right. She's very scared now. Scratch scrat scratch, win, win, win,

scratch scrat scratch. And she stays there till sunshine when she's son up. When she's woken up by the good people of the San Diego Sheriff's Department San Diego Sheriff's Department of shouting their pointing guns, said they're doing their thing. Why are they doing that? Because her boyfriend is hanging upside down, dismembered from the tree above her, and his nails are catching the top of the car. Every time the wind blows him right, he's been killed by the

product valley beast. Now, the product Valley beast is is an animal of kind of nondescript shape and size. The in the seventy the local radio DJ organized a search for the Propta Valley beast. Right, people went out at night. Previously the prompt vality beast. Most of the stories it kind of looked like a kind of winged, bipedal half human gobbling creature. It changed it form in the nineteen seventies when people conducting it's just kind of a teen

radio thing. In the nineteen seventies, right, people conducting this search reported finding a deranged cow. Okay, the cow was probably not directed. The cow was just sleeping. Yeah. I've known more cows than most people. I grew up on a cow farm. I've seen them behave in a variety of ways. I've never seen one appeared deranged. That's because they're moving very quickly. Sometimes they're scared, sometimes they're sick. Deranged as an interesting because cows don't really have enough

going on up there to be deranged. Because you didn't grow up in the United Kingdom in a certain period of time, Robert, when our cows became mad. Well, but that's still I've I've seen cows that have mad how disease, and they're like, they're ill, but there I don't know. Yeah, they're not like yeah, yeah, that's getting the name of their eldest daughter and lest they lose their way home

going on violent rampages. They're asking where their husband, who died twenty three years ago is when they wake up in the middle of the night. Anyway, senile cow they have to go to. They go and live on a farm when they got all the cats. Why you haven't seen him, Robert, I sure do. Like that young Ronald Reagan that my cowboys. Yeah, yeah, they they get. They get. Oh, they forget things. They vote for Donald Trump, they do a fascism. That's what happens to cows is the only

ways cows can die. Otherwise they live very happy and fulfilled lives in the countryside. So why why do we have this PRODUCTI Valley bes right, Why is there a mad cow that murdered a young man who was it was out late that with a young woman. No one, No one knows who this young man is, right, I did to trauma best to find reports of any murders

in Proctor Valley. And of course it won't surprise you to learn that we have in fact discovered dead bodies in Proctor Valley, because unfortunately, Proptic Valley is just a few miles from the border, and and I've spent quite a lot of time out in that area, and that unfortunately, the people that we are finding then in Proctor Valley haven't been killed by deranged cow or a bipedal beast, but in fact by the elements rights people trying to cross the border and find a better life for themselves

and not making it as far as the dirt road which leads to a small town, which leads to a big road, which leads to a big town that is close to there. And so what the Proctor Valley Beast is a myth that serves to tell kids to not drive down dirt roads late at night on their own right. It's two kids, fun your parents. Yeah, absolutely, fucking send it. Your mediata can handle it. Get off the road, do some drifting. What's the worst that could happen? Maybe if

you're out there, take a gallon of water. Uh, And maybe maybe I'm not going to say that because there might be a crime. Yeah, we can cut that. I was gonna say, a handgun with a single bullet in case you get stuck off road, a silver bullet and yeah, and a nail to hit it with. So the last, the last curse I want to get to you is the curse of Body State Historic Park. Do you know, Joe, what at is? Robert? No, When you said Body, I thought immediately about the movie Point Break. Okay, I haven't

seen it. Oh well that's okay, that Garrison you've seen it. No, point I'm sorry, I forgot this is the Point Break. This is an audio medium. Yeah, I can't shake my head. No, No, I'm not seen Point Break. You haven't seen Point Break? Oh my god, Oh my god. I watched the filmmaker's previous, far superior film that will not be named. This is that like one person will get who Well, we're gonna

have to watch Point Break. But there's a guy named Body on it and he is kind of a crypted interesting so there Body has a bit of a problem, right, Body is an abandon all those those banks. Anyway, this story does involve some robbing, Oh good, Yeah, but have a bit of theft on the podcast So what happened

in Body is Body's got a problem, right. Body has a problem specifically with mail, because almost every week when the rangers from Body travel into town to get the mail, they have to collect half a dozen or so little packages containing little things like rocks, pizzas of wood, fragments of pottery, or coins. And all of those little packages have letters attached to them. And I'm going to read from some of those letters. Please find enclosed one weather

beat an old shoe. The shoe was removed from Body during the months of August. My trail of misfortune is so long and depressing it can't be listed here. Another one. You can have these god forsaken rocks back. I've never had so much rotten luck in my life. Please forgive me for ever testing the curse of Body. Okay, so what we got here, what we got here is a curse, right, just a good old fashioned If you steal something from

the town, the town will come back and hurt you. Right. Yeah, And so Body popped up in the late nineteenth century gold rush rights in between Mono Lake a Lake Tahoe. They it's named after a gold prospector. There was some gold found there in fact, at its height, Body hosted around ten thousand people, right, And for those ten thousand people, there were sixty saloons, which is a pretty good ratio.

There's multiple documented gunfights on the main street and Body it seems like the stereotypical wild West town that after the gold rushers are over, it wasn't such a great place to live, so people abandoned it. And it's now managed by the California Park Service, right, And the California Park Service curates this ghost town in arrested decay so that people can come and see this little slice of history.

And there's a lot we can learn from these, like these places that have been abandoned, right, we can learn a lot about the history of everyday life, like what things do people have in their kitchen? Why with this next to that? Why is there a knife here? Why is why the beer bottles kept here? There's a lot that historians can learn over time that they might not find initially. So it's important to keep these things in really pristine condition. Right. The problem that they had was

once they opened the park, you could just walk around town. Right, It's not like a museum. There aren't a little ropes that there aren't plexiglass diviolence keeping you away from stuff, and people think that as an invitation to steal ship, and steal ship they did so. The park's ranger, who I cannot find the name of anywhere, but at some point a park ranger giving the walking tours around Body,

started telling people about this legendary curse. And this curse, he said, made it so that anyone who took anything from Body would be pursued by bad luck for the rest of their life. Didn't really think anything of which, didn't want people to steal ship, right, And as a result, hundreds of people who had stolen things from Body started returning them in the mail. Right. They're blaming everything from cellulitis, cancer, failed relationships, so on the thing that they stole from body.

That this would just be funny if it wasn't for the fact that every single one of these items has been stolen from a protected site. Right. The Park Service has now set itself up with this huge administrative burden, which is reporting a theft for every single shoe or piece of glass or button that's stolen from body. So it's taking up a huge in order amount of their time, and they no longer will speak. I've tried to reach out.

I didn't get a response. I did. I did drop them a Facebook message on their page, trying to trying to talk to someone about this. But they no longer talk about the curse because it's created such a burden for them, filing police reports to all these buttons. This is the actual curse that they did themselves, Like this is this is how most curses actually work. That you just actually like the effect is what you turned the thing into and now you're forced to all the police

reports and that's the actual effect of the curse. Yeah, I think it's wonderful. I think it's great that they made this this rod for their own bag. You know, you know what won't curse you with cancer or sell ulitis? Garrison, I cannot. I there's there's a lot of weird stuff that ever excellent mobile will give you cancer. So yeah, well the gold that we're about to plug, that's totally

totally safe. You can huff that gold, you can melt it down, dip your hand in, get a gold plate at hand, totally fine, lick it, lick it, pop it. You know that's that to Garrison. Sure, shame was incredibly popular when I was a kid, it was like everywhere. Alright, we're back and having all received our little bags of gold for that plug we did. Yep, I have mine right here. I like to keep it with me in case the ship hits the fan. I'm buried. I've buried

mine in the middle of the Organ desert. Smart, I've buried a couple of things in the middle of the Oregon desert, none of them gold. Well, that was a big sense on your definition of gold. Yeah, Bigfoot's arm pit, that's what you buried out in your definition of that guy started a barbershop in whatever. Continue Okay, yeah, yeah, we don't need to talk about that on the podcast. Thanks do. We don't want any more Robert's felonies on on Maine, since only a felony if the police find

the body. M that's true, But maybe you could put put some sh it out there about a curse related to the body. Yeah, sure, I give it some Maine ya and then stuff it. So why why do we have curses encrypted? Obviously partly because it's just sucking fun, and partly because some of our beliefs, right like if we if we look at Dirk him or what dirkhim thought religion worth religion is kind of an outgrowth of

society that unites people based on a moral code. Right, and functionalists more broadly in sociology, believe that these beliefs serve and function in society. And I think a lot of these things help us explain things that we can't otherwise explain, or give a more palatable explanation for things that we don't care to explain, right, or things and and like in nearly all of these cases, there are

things that rip children away from their mothers. There's another Mexican like shape shifting, which that ripped children away from their mothers. Right. Unfortunately, there are things that ripped children

away from their mothers, and your taxpayer dollars pay for them. Right, But it it works a little better to explain things that we don't that don't fit with our other systems of belief through Like if if we fundamentally believe right that that I know that that the world is good in capitalism is wonderful, and that gradually things will trickle down so that everyone gets richer of the rich get richer first, it can become very hard to explain the state of the world unless you're a member of the

Conservative and Union As Party of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, of course, and so instead we create these external things, right, these things that go bump in the night, So sometimes they can be a proxy for external forces, right. The tuper Cabra in a way kind of explains as we get closer to nature and nature pushes back on us a little bit, that why that happens, right, rather than just saying, oh, funk, we've given all these cooties Maine.

How that? How on earth are we in a state where there's a blue dog walking around the The tuper Caabure also serves as a way to kind of personify for people in Puerto Rico, either consciously or unconsciously, that the terrible impact of the United States. It's only lives on there right, which it's not very hard to see, and even the Proctor Valley beast right that, so stay away from this dark road near the border late at night.

There were reasons to stay away from there, but unfortunately there are there are also reasons to go there and try and help people who are genuinely suffering, and lots of people I know going go and leave water out there So these curses they kind of like credit scores, right, they're not real, but they can sometimes ruin your life. Um, and so sometimes it's just easier to pretend that it's magic doing that rather than this overarching global system which

is not very nice. And that's kind of where I want to finish up. I guess is this. These are ways to explain things that we can't always explain, and that's that's sometimes okay because sometimes it can be hard to confront these things. You've got anything else you want to say about cryptids, Robert, I don't know. Um. I think if you're in an industry that's adjacent to illegal drugs and you murder someone in the woods, it's probably

a good idea to blame it on Bigfoot. So that would be my advice for our listeners is to blame your crimes on bigfoot. M hm, I don't know. Do you guys believe in Bigfoot? Let's let's end by talking about that, like like actually like believe in the physical ape like thing that's been dustly undiscovered that rooms in say ape like Garrison primate. I think doesn't necessarily mean ape like sure primate probably, and I do I do do not do not think that there's a physical one exists. Now.

I think, like we've mentioned before, like the words you know, you can say like a curse isn't really but it can still have effects based on how we talk about it and how like we can kind of make it real by our own actions. And the same thing like I don't think Bigfoot of the primate exists, but as a cultural symbol that has him packet base. It is real in some way. Um, but it's not like not like except for I would say it is real in a physical way. Um. And uh, have you seen a

big foot robber? Are you gonna just it's this way you drop in your big foot? I actually, I actually have. I've seen a couple. I've seen a couple of large animals out in the woods. You've seen weird in the woods. I don't think I'm not comfortable calling it a bigfoot, but I am weird weird things in the woods certainly. Certainly. Yeah, I've seen a lot of weird things in the woods and all of them were bigfoot, as far as has

anyone has ever been able to convince me. Um. And you know, when you get right down to it, isn't that what Christmas is all about? Yes, half happy Halloween and happy Halloween everybody. Yeah. Oh oh no, there's that monster coming to kill me with his fentinel knife. Ah, it got me, what a bummer. Welcome to Welcome to Spooky Week when we're talking about all of the scariest

things a podcast with foreshadowing, that is foreshadowing. That's right, twent Deputy Garrison Davis just fentanel by being near it on the seventeen knock as. Yep, it was very scary, very very very spooky. Yeah. Ah, it's good. It's good too. It's good to be It's good to be back with Spooky Week. All right, So this episode, I believe Chris

has something very special prepared for us. Yes, so this is just an we are talking about one of the most immediately recognizable and enduring symbols of Halloween and one of the things that I've had to spend the most time cropping out of party invitations when I was sending

them to kids. Oh no, we're talking talking other other iconic Yeah, well this is the one, like like specifically, I just spent a lot of time cropping this out of I fucking like party invitations people, because if like you're you're in you're in your like fucking shitty Christian suburb. And if you send a kid home with an invitation that has a that has a black cat on it, uh, their parents will pull them out of public school because

of the like the rising threat of Satanism. Better to stick to the tried and true, you know, like put the Uni bomber on it or something. Yeah, you got you gotta lots of nice stars. Put some crosses on it instead, but like a cornucopia mixture. It's like called like a harvest festival or some bullshit. Yeah, oh yeah, harvest festival. Yeah, come to my fucking Pentagram party or

your party sack. So yeah, we're we're talking about the black cat um And ironically, the black cats association with witchcraft is actually this is the Catholic Church's fault as our many only bad thing they've ever done. They even created Protestantism. It's a it's a real issue, so true. So okay, So Pope Pope Gregory the Night make cats eternally feast on his soul. It took took office of the Pope in twelve and six years later in it's in in twelve thirty three he issues his first papal bull.

Just this is This bull is called vox in Rama and Fox and Rama is essentially like it's a giant anti Witchcraft bull that is designed to like what do you mean by bull like people? People? Bulls are these like orders basically that are like declared by the pope and they turn into sort of like they have this sort of legal status that there there they determined what sort of church doctor in church positions, because it's it's basically like it's like it's like the it's like an

executive order for the Pope. Okay, all right, and they can just do this and so they do this a lot, and yeah, this this is the sort of anti Riitchcraft one because he's trying to rally support for like stamping out a bunch of heretics in Germany for the crime of like not believing in Catholic doctrine and giving all their money to the pope. So this bull like directly links cats to Satanic rituals. There's this whole thing about like half cat like half people. We are. This is

what we are. Back to iconic Transgirl Halloween imagery we circled. There are no new moral panics. This is a fucking furry panic and like twelve thirty three, it's it's amazing,

it's cat girls kill God. Yeah. Unfortunately, the product of this is that you know, like this, this, this, this, this space from here's it's off to the races, right, black hats have become associated with witchcraft and then sort of in general with bad luck, and you get this whole sort of like you know, crossing a black cat like bringing bad look and this is really sort of

devastating real world effect on cats. Like there are mm hmm yeah, like I mean like like throughout your like from this point on, like periodically they're just mass killings of cats in Europe because like these people are fucking barbarians and savages who like should never have been allowed

to like leave their stone huts. Um. When I was getting a while ago, when I was getting some childhood cats, we were talking to the cat Agency and we learned that they don't allow people to adopt to black cats during October because people either buy them as props and then like to get rid of them or just like abuse them. Um, it's it sucks. It's like an actual problem, and are we going to get to the Great Cat Massacre? No?

What is the Great Cat Massacre? The sounds like that sounds like a sequel to that to that mouse Sherlock Holmes movie that Disney made. It's extremely dark version. Yeah. The Great Cat Maskers a book by Robert Danson. It's

like a it's a very click. If you're doing a history graduate degree and you're reading like these sort of histories of everyday life or like histories of popular laughter, you will read The Great Cat Massacre and he details how like basically in France, I can't remember when, but these printers apprentices were like the apprentices lived with the printer right, and the prince's wife also had a bunch of cats, which he cared for much better than the apprentices.

So they got mad and started doing cat murders. They put the cats on trial and convicted them of witchcraft. Wait wait, this was like a judicial murder. Yes, yeah, they sent it the cats to death by I think they hung them or something. Oh my god, did the cats have like a defense attorney? Like? What a witch? Well, you're sup, you're supposed to have an advocate at a witch cat trial so one would hope, but unfortunately. My guest though, is if you're probably gonna get another cat,

which is like not a great defense attorney. No, they don't get a single fuck. I don't know they could. They could really funk up your face or something if they just you know, when close out. I don't know if the cats had a defense turned. It's an excellent question if someone's read it more recently than me. This is reminding me of that that great poster someone took from my vets office that was like fighting cats. It's like,

don't fight fair or use drugs one. Yeah, yes, but you know, okay, my piece of advice to you is don't fight fair. Yeah during these drokes. Yeah, it's great, it's it's good. It's it's good general advice. And put him in your Halloween sweets. Yeah yeah, foreshadowing. Yeah. So, according to a study from the Journal Animals, black cats have the highest rate of usan eustn Asia and shelters and have lower rates of adoption, Like, have the lowest rate of adoption among all our colors, which is like

extremely fucked up. And it's also like the number of cats that we euthanize every year is just so bleak. It's very sad. Yeah, so that funk the Catholic Church. This is their fault somehow, However, Comma for millions of people across space and time, the black cat has met something else entirely. This black cat, with its fur raised and back arched, is the bringer of the class war, the herald of the new world, and its name is sabotage.

And okay, song about it. Yeah, and before, before before we get into how the Sabo tabby or the Sabo kitty became associated with sabotage, we have to talk about what sabotage actually is. And the reason we have to do this is because sabotage like does not mean the same thing now as it did when the term was coined. So if you look at sort of the modern definition of sabotage, it's it's almost entirely focused about the physical

destructure of pretty like here's here's Mary Webster's definition. For example, destruction of employer's property such as tools or materials, or the hindering of manufacturing by discontented workers. To destruction or obstructive action carried on by a civilian or enemy agent

to hinder and nation's war efforts. And okay, so part part of the reason why sabog why everyone thinks about sabotage is sort of like a physical act of destruction, has to do with the sort of folk etymology of you know where the word sabotage came from, which is supposedly dates back to these like early French workers throwing these wooden shoes called sabots it's like machines to break them.

And the problem is that this sort of just isn't true. Um, like the there there's no direct evidence that anyone sabotaged machines by throwing your shoes into them, which seems like a kind of a kind of inefficient way to grab a stick, right like you you need your shoes to walk on. And the other thing is that people who put cats on trial, they weren't always thinking in straight lines. That's true that well, at least this is the eighteen hundreds,

so who hopefully we're slightly past the cat trials. But what's interesting about this is do you ever think about this, Okay, Like, sabotage is a French word, right that the French shoot the word for the shoe is sabot like it doesn't start up until like the late eighteen hundreds. It literally just means someone who like it means to make a wooden shoe, Okay, but it turns out it's actually it's

actual orision is more interesting. This um. The term sabotage, as you know, like the sort of like worker action, was invented by the French anarchist of Meal Pigot. I don't it's po u g. I don't know how to produce. That doesn't matter, pochet I, I don't know, sure, okay, okay, I slightly I feel slightly bad because he's one of the few good frenchmen him and sent him and Fuco the only philology. So Pago is like he's just like

the up. This guy is extremely French. Yeah, but he's also he is he is in the he's in the period of French cool, which is to say he is um he he he is an he's an anarchist, he is a cynicalist. He is doing all of the ship um and he like he invents. The term sabotage is part of this report to the c G T. S I eight seventy nine conference in some cities name I can't remember, so the c g T S is a really weird unions. It means c g T means like

the General Confederation of Labor of Workers basically. Um. Actually, it's really funny because because because of how similar like French, Spanish and Portuguese are, there were like sixteen thousand unions across like twelve countries that are named the CGT. It's it's it's it's they're all either the CGT or the u g C because they're all just like confeder something. Yeah, so the French c GT is like a very very

weird union. They're they're they're like they're the only union of ever seen that has at various points been an anarchist union, of communist union, a liberal union, and a social democratic union. And it also like the thing they're famous for sort of now is the fact that they sat out like every revolution that's ever happened in France.

Like they're they're they're probably most famous for like telling people to like basically signing a pact with the government and trying to get people like to go back to work when sixty eight was happening, and you know, and the the usially about like the c g T, the CTC is still around today. They have like seven hundred thousand members or something like. They're the second largest union

in France. And I don't know, it's interesting. So they'll go on strike for like pension stuff, but they won't go on strike to like abolish the class system and sort of how I put it. But in the late eighteen hundred, early in eighteen hundreds they are a very very radical cynicalist union. And Emil Pigou, who again like like anarchist par excellence, is like their vice secretary, so to go, like invents the investorer. Sabotage is a way of trans eating basically the Scottish term that I okay,

I apologize for my Scottish pronunciation. I don't I genuinely don't really have any problems with Scottish people. I think the term is go connie basically, which means go slow um shirts to go. From his pamphlet sabotage, that's um like his explanation of like what's going on here that the first part of it seem quoting a British pamphlet. That's about what Docatti is. If you want to buy a hat worth two dollars, you must pay two dollars. If you want to spend only a dollar fifty, you

must be satisfied with an inferior quality. A hat is a commodity. If you want to buy a dozen of why is it a dozen of shirts? Okay, I don't know. People wrote weird in the early night entwids. If you want to buy half a dozen shirts at fifty cents each, you must pay three dollars. If you only spend two dollars and fifty cents, you can only have five shirts. Now, the boss declares that labor and ski will or nothing but commodities like hats and shirts. Very well, we answer,

we'll take you at your word. If labor and skill are commodities, their owners have the right to sell them. Like the hat seller sells hats and the habitasher sells shirts. These merchants must give a certain value in exchange for an equivalent value. For lower price, you will have an article if either lower quality or smaller quantity. Give the worker of fair, fair wage, and he will furnish you

with his best labor at its highest skill. On the other hand, give the work an insufficient wage, and you forfeit the right to demand the best and most of his labor anymore of when you can demand a two dollar half for one dollar. The gokani consists then and

systematically applying the formula bad wages, bad labor. So yeah, but basically what this is like, it's it's gocani is like, it's it's it's a kind of strike where it's it's kind of like it's kind of like a slowdown or there's another kind of striker's name I forgetting right now where it's like you you you you like exactly follow the rules, work to rule. Yeah, yeah, that's it's it's

kind of like a work to rule strike. It's basically like, okay, so you're up being paid enough, so you just intentionally work really shittily and just keep working slowly and badly until boss is paying you more. And so this has been a big thing in in Britain and to Go like sees this and he writes basically like a paper like recommending that the CGT starts using this as a tactic.

But sure he's trying to find a French word for it, and he's like, I don't know how to translate this, and so what he thinks of there's this sort of like, well, okay, so here's where it gets messy, because it's like there's like a couple of versions of the story. One version of it is like work as if you're being like hit with a wooden shoe. So I wake up every morning and turn on my podcasting Mike and a clog

just flies in through my window and smacks. That's why, Sophie, Uh yeah, there's there's these there's these slinger shots to set up outside of my windows that launched these clogs right at my face every more lariously, hilariously, we are going to come back to slingshots in So there's this thing in France, like so people people with wooden shoes basically generally are like peasants right there, people from burrel areas, And there's this whole sort of stereotype in France that

like in this period and like the like there's like these people with their wooden shoes and they're like peasants and they're like ignorant and they're bad at working and like and so basically what Pago is the other thing that the other theory of what's happening here iss he's doing he's like reversing this thing right, he's like, well, okay, here's this, here's this like stereotype, like workers working badly. And he's like, okay, no, what what if we did

this on purpose? Like what if we were intentionally just lazy? And it's important to note that, like and Pago does this and it's writing that, like so he invents the word sabotage, but like he sure it's hell, didn't invent the content have sabotage here here, here's from the pamphlet

Sabotage again. Sabotage the former revolt is as old as human exploitation, since the day man had the no ability to profit by another man's labor, Since that very same day the exploited, the exploited toiler has instinctively tried to give his master lesson what was demanded from him. In this way, the worker was unconsciously doing sabotage, demonstrating in an indirect way the irrepressible antagonism that raised capital and

labor against one another. Okay, I'm I have to I have to do a call out post on poor poor, get poor gy whatever. Um. That was very sexist, he said, every man. That's true, that's not women should also be forced to work um non buying. Their people should be forced to work um eight hours a day, hopefully more so, the fact that he's just making men work is a little sexist Garrison doing a Hillary Clinton there, doing a

Glenn Greenwall there. That's right. You have to see it, ah, weirdly, weirdly in terms of in terms of canceling of Frenchman a French dude for sexism, like pretty mild, not gonna lie at least problematic frenchman, don't. He probably did do something horrible. I just didn't see it when I was reading about it. But you know, such as such as

the the guy he invents sabotage. Um, so okay, so we have sabotage as like you know, and this is an interesting about this, right when when when Pigot was first like defining the word, right, like he literally is just talking about like labor slowdowns, right, and you know, very quickly sabotage comes to mean other things. And here's yeah, so so here here's again from this same Pamply he's quoting the secretary of a railway union who's like on

strike for the right to unionize. And this this is what the railway union secretary guys says with two cents worth of a certain ingredient, union utilized in a peculiar way. He declared, it will be easy for the railwayman to put the locomotive and such conditions as to make it impossible to run them, which fucking absolutely absolutely based eighteen seventies French from road union secretary. Ah, it's great stuff.

It's actually funny because like she's she's just like out there, just like saying this, and like every modern union has like a giant disclaimer in their things, saying like we do not endorse the destruction of machines. Like yeah, the fucking based French guys like no, no, no, no no, Like we we are actively threatening you to destroy like every locomotive in France if you do not let us form this union. This is why, this is why my organizing with the I Heart Union is solely based on

us planning future terrorist attacks. Yeah, we don't. If we don't get our way, the Hollywood sign will never never be the same again. I've already pulled sugar into the I guest time of my podcast recorded, correct, that's gonna work out for it. Unfortunately, the gas tank of the podcast is like my stomach. So we're kind of it's it's it's just as a fact of it is actually pouring sugar into things. Yeah, why, I'm hiding under your

bed with a funnel right now. Some sugar. On the other hand, Garrison, do you know what else will put locomotives in such a condition that will make it impossible for them to run? Uh? The is this an ad break the products and services that support this podcast? Yeah, the fucking the rail companies are making the trains not be able to work. The trains are too long. They are too long. Okay, dynamite. The answer is dynamite, and we're back. Okay. So from here, the definition of sabotage

starts to sort of expands um very rapidly. Here here some the I w w in about what sabotage is. I'm so curious sabotages is. Sabotage is a destruction of profits to gain a definite revolutionary economic end. It has many forms. It may mean damaging the raw materials is that destined for a scab factory or shop. It may mean spoiling. It may mean the spoiling of a finished product. It may mean the displacement of parts of machinery or the disarrangement of a whole machine where that machine is

the one upon which other machines are dependent. From material, it may mean working slow, it may mean poor work. It may mean missending packages, giving overweight to consumers, pointing out defects and goods using the best material where the employer desires a alteration, and also the telling of trade secrets. In fact, it has as many variations as there are

lines of work. This is this is so fascinating because sabotage definitely now is way more associated with like Earth first, like the left tactics, and this is like very labor focus, like that much hodges done by the people who are working at the factory or place of production on the products that they're working on. It's it's that that is extremely fascinating. Yeah, And I think there's another thing too, right, because like there is the sort of physical aspect of it.

But again, like this was created as like like as a term of sort of like like anarchy, like specifically like syndical its political struggle, right, Yeah, and as that term like it's a lot of what they're talking about when people think about sabotage is just like strikes and like labor slowdowns, and that that part of the connotation of sabotage has just like completely faded and to get

into sort of like how that happens. It's and it's so based on addressing actual material changes as opposed to like a lot of sabotage now is almost like performative, like even like even like the left type stuff. It does. It does get a thing done, like yes, this thing did burn down, but they're gonna build another one. It's it's all. It's obviously it's it's for kind of like spectacles built into what the actual goal is and for this kind of stuff, it's actually it's about like it's

more like improving labor conditions. It is. It's basically and like there's a lot of this that is this that is specifically designed not to be like very notable, Like

I mean there's there's a very common thing. Yet strikes like in the US, even even like sort of like conservative truck restrikes will do this thing where like okay, so the truckers will go on strike and then they'll hang like they basically like hang like fragments of metal and shipped from like the top of overpasses so that if you drive another truck under it or like funk up the top of the truck, and that's like that's

kind of stuff. Isn't like it's not designed it specifically not designed to be public, right, It's designed to be something that like okay, like it's it's, it's, it's it's it's it's about like directly materially hurting the bosses over like a long period of time, not just like ones like single action. You do it and you run away and hope and hope to never be caught. It's like, no, it's gonna work slowly for two years and it costs

my boss like thousands of dollars in process. I mean there there, there's some there's something like okay, so I I guess but here So I've been I've been doing some episodes. Next week we're going to be about Lula, who's like the sort of like great uh like originally labor leader and turns sort of like am I blanking on the name of a friend of the people of Haiti. Yeah, we're going to get to that. That's what he tended into. That's nothing else. Yeah, yeah, but he he's a former

president of Brazil maybe be the next president of Brazil. Also, you know, he has this interesting sort of like she

doesn't want of labor organizing under the military rettatorship. And he has this really interesting lot because during the military kadership and Brasil, there's a bunch of these sort of like like underground leftist parta military groups and like like his brother gets like arrested by the military and tortured horribly, and he has this really interesting line about that talking about these contestine groups, which is like, okay, like if like if you guys had like talked to like the

two thousand people who work in this factory instead of doing this completely condestinely and not even telling your own family that you're a communist, Like maybe if you talk to people like they couldn't have grabbed you off the street and just like arrest like it's like disappeared you overnight because there would have been people there and and that, and that's that's the thing, Like that all of this stuff, like this kind of sabotage relies on like you and

like everyone else around you also doing the thing, and that makes it harder to crack down on because you just you you know, you sort you have critical mass and yeah, and that's something I think is is very different from sort of modern sabotage, which is yeah, based on these sort of like either either like okay, we're doing this and we're gonna get rested, or it's like here is like a secret cell in like the woods in Oregon and no none other people and other people

in this group will ever see each other again after they like spike this tree. I wonder if it has its roots and like, um, I don't know when these like some of people in front existed. But like in Britain we have the Luddites at around a similar time, who has sometimes seen as one of the air reach you know, like trade unions, right, who would sure break break boilers and the industrial revolution. Yeah, yeah, Britain still incidentally makes it a capital crime to destroy a boiler

or like a break. Well, it's a way of break because what the like the ned Blood is just like fictional leader of the Luodites, right, like this giant general who's supposed to come and they were like, oh it's ned Blood, mate, and I don't think about it what

you're talking about. They like they made it a capital trying to try, but to try and break up specifically that right to what like Chris is talking about, like like it's obviously like personifying the forces of labor as as a giant general is not something that continued throughout space and time, but that solidarity where where like someone in the factory fucked up the boiler, everyone in the factory has something to gain from sucking up the boiler.

So as long as we don't tell anyone, the boiler stays sucked up. Yeah. And interesting, like actually like specifically writes about what he's writing abo stuff, the stuff and the like the eight thirties, but like he specifically writes about like the little thing that that that kind of labor struggle in Britain is like one of the one of the sort of like forebearers. Yeah, yeah, a thing on them. Yeah. But so this stuff is sort of like yeah, a lot a lot of this stuff is people.

Is people in the age like the eight nineties and like hunters like looking back on those groups and Okay, so I want to sort of pivot a little bit, which is because so we've mentioned the iww UM and the iww are the people who are basically like responsible for associating sabotage with the black cat. And it's sort of unclear how this happens. Um here's how the modern IWW talks about and SHEW thousand eleven it which is

like the sort of like sabotage cat picture. It was probably conceived by IWW member Ralph Chaplin, most famous for penning the IWW labor anthem Solidarity Forever, who produced many of the IWW's early silent agitator graphics, which themselves had close association with hobo signs described elsewhere in this gallery. If i W a culture, we can cut that part.

Although today the cat has a general association with the IWW, sometimes even as its mascot, its original purpose was as a code or symbol for direct action at the point of production, specifically sabotage. Indeed, the cat may have been may even have been chosen due to the convenient word place sabo tabby, possibly even a direct inspiration from mel Blanc's characterization of bugs bunny. Often bugs bunnies often mispronounced sabotage.

Sabotage by really should be as like sabotage, so i was described in the section of sabotage must be emphasized that the latter did not mean destruction of machinery or equipment, although I I really think that's partially like that the modern IWW being like, hey, don't sue us like this and this. The thing with the the old i WW is like you'll you'll get you'll get like states from my w W leaders who are like, uh we I we We're not the guy. We don't like our our

strikers aren't the people who break machines. There's another group of people who are like here also, but who are not us? Who are not us? Who are door do who are destroying things? I never do crimes great stuff, Only my identical twin Harrison does. Cry. Yeah, it's amazing how many symbols of industrial labor come from the wobblies, Like the raised fist also comes from the IWW, right,

Like it's incredible this global impact. Yeah, well, I mean like and I think there's a there's a reason for this, which is that like, okay, if if you're if you are a capitalist in the early nine, like this cat is the spookiest ship you've ever seen, Like, like it is terrifying, Like they are like groups of wobblies, will like try to step off a boat and people and like the like sheriffs will just immediately start shooting the

him like it is to this day. I think I think that WW is the only leftist group in the history of the U S outside of Puerto Rico that has ever taken in American city, which they did in the UH. It was a very small town on the border, but they actually actually took American cities like during the

Mexican Revolution um and that Mountain maybe United mind. Well, they didn't actually like that's the thing though, They didn't actually like fully like drive drive out like okay, yea yeah, like like they like that that WW like actually fully like took over these towns. It was like where the

fucking running this down? But you know, but what this thing that starts happening here is you get like like people are really desperate like that there's still there's a bunch of houses, Like there's a bunch of like old mansions from this period, like Late Age hundreds, early nighte hundreds like in Chicago that are are all built in

online in one street. And the reason they were all built that way was because they wanted to be on on the road to on the road to the nearest military base so that when the revolution come they came, they could run and hide. Like this is how scared

peace people are. And the like bosses start offering workers things as a compromise that like most people today like think our socialism like they have, Like you start getting companies that have like into that have their own workers councils in them, like like here here is here is the workers council will give the workers council budgetrol over how the shot flow works, like please don't overthrow us.

Like Rockefeller like develops the idea of putting workers on corporate boards, like specifically as a way of trying to buy off workers and stopping them from like sabotaging their way to revolution and just like stealing all of Rocketfeller's

property for the working class. And you know, we've been talking about about a lot about this and sort of like the American context and like sort of the French and English context, but you know, partially because the ademology, partially because of like who's involved with like the specific black cat thin but like syndicalism, which is the sort of like this ideology of using democratic unions doing a general strike to like seize control of the means of

production and ending the class system. This is fucking everywhere. This is these these people spread like wild fire, like I think, I think probably the most famous cynicals other

than the IWW are the CNT in Spain. But like you know, the Italian in in in nineteen nineteen seventeen nineteen nineteen, like Cynicolas and Italy like very nearly pull off a revolution during the period that becomes known as de Benni a Rosso or like the two Red Years, they wind up being betrayed by the Italian Socialists and that's how we get Bussolini but shocked. Yeah, who who

who could have guessed? But you know, there there are enormous cynicalist unions like everywhere that there's there's the huge cynicals unions in both Brazil and Argentina and sort of bizarrely, both Brazil and Argentina both have these sort of like general strike anarchist revolutions in both nineteen seventeen and nineteen nineteen. Yeah, it's wild like the cynicals are everywhere. There's there's like their cynicalist like tin workers in Brazil. There in Venezuela.

There's an AWW section in South Africa there, it's like cynicalas in Egypt. They're in Japan like it. From from this period, from like the late eighteen hundreds through really even the earlier, so the early nineteen twenties, like these people are a pretty significant section of the entire international labor and socialist movements. And every word syndicalism goes this

black cat goes with them. Now. Unfortunately, as as vagina hunters wear on the this the influence of syndicalism begins to wane as a combination of both intense post World War One repression and you know as this as reactions sort of like red scary reactions to uh, the Russian Revolution, and also the sort of rise of like Lennin as communist parties who have their own doctrines that don't like rely on sabotage in the sort of theoretical sense that

syn nicolism does. And this this has like this, this, this, this has a bunch of sort of malign effects on what people think sabotage is. Unfortunately, but do you know what else degraded the use of sabotages of political and ideological weapon. It's it's it's the advertising industrial comes, not the bastie boys, and we are back. But wait, there's still more sabotage because unfortunately, you know, as as the sort of like the syneclist movement is declining and like

every single one of these people is getting shot. Uh, there was waiting in the wings. Another type of sabotage that we've talked about a lot on this show. And yeah, this is ecological sabotage, which I'm okay. I also see people calling it eco taj and like, I'm sorry, I love I love you, I love you all Forest of Fighters. That is a dogshit word like echo tag, like come on, like this is this is not this is not actually

a good word. We could do better. Um. It's also called monkey wrenching after the the the work of ecological activists in veterate racist Edward Abbey, that's right, and sexist. Don't don't let him off the hook. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, old white dude Edward Abbey. Yeah he's a he's a very like this is a very like Pacific Northwest kind of guy. That's true. Yeah, yeah, it's like guys who's

white really likes forest does not like brown people. He loves the fucking desert like yeah, yeah, desert boomers loves some med with Abbey. They pay it. I was in Moab recently and like the amount of people selling like first editions of Edward Abbey books without like entire like first edition to like Earth First Gathering posters and stuff like thousands. Someone who's on an off road safari. Oh nice, Yeah,

that's a copy of the most maybe a first edition. Actually, do you do you want to tell the crowd what this book is about? Gang? Yeah? Oh, it's a group of people who have some fun times. It's people who travel around. They play with some trains, um and some diggers. They play with diggers, yes, yes they were, they were diggers. Yeah, I don't know, even just having fun times. Also, there's something that I I did not know for a while, but Edward Abbey also wrote one of the adaptations of

Lolita to play on stage. Oh shoot, I forgot about that. Yeah, I just un problematic guy doing fascinating stuff. He discubs trees. Yeah, well, okay, so he has the one genuine the unproblematic thing he wrote this you're another book called EO. Well okay, so

he's involved in the writing of this. There's a lot of there's a lot of people have tribute to this, but he's involved in the writing of a book called Eco Defensive Field Guide to Monkey Wrenching, which is this like unbelievably intricate and detailed guy to doing everything from like tree spiking power lines to breaking ranching equipment, to sabotaging vehicles and aircraft, of freeing animals from traps, she defeating surveillance, the sinking ships, to a section that is

called only quote fun with sling shots. Even in Key wrench Gang he goes into great detail about how to start a caterpillar like bulldozer, like like a lot of it was like how to do terrorism, but like in a novel, like it's fantastic. Yeah, well it's like that. There's a whole genre of like of post World War two French films that are this with prison breaks where it's like as a bunch of people people who like been in concentration camps and like had broken out of

them are making these movies that are like just really intricate. Okay, okay, this is how you make a lock pick, Like this is this is how you figure out guards like shift changes, like this is how you like take out these boards. It's great stuff and it's it's what one of one of the better kinds of things and eco defense, Like it's not the most banned book I've ever seen in a world that goes to, yeah, it's it's not okay.

So on the one hand, like the FBI is in a weird position because they can't like technically ban it because the US has this thing called the First Amendment that like you can sometimes winning courts. Here's here's the the Ego Defense Handbook was not written by Edward Abbey. It was written by David Foreman. Yeah, but people'll, uh there was a foreword in the book written by Edward Abbey. Okay, that that's the he wasn't. I think I think he

was involved with the publication with it. Like he's somewhat like David Foreman and Edward Abbey were friends. They were they were Abby Abby Abby. Abbey is less involved with this insofar as he like Foremen, like the FBI tries to like entrap him for writing this book. Like like

all most of the people who like action sections to this. Yeah, like all these people like people start yea the FBI tries to arrest him on other stuff because unfortunately this book doesn't violate traffic law, so they can't arrestue for it. And okay, I do buy it on ab a lot. Yeah. Yeah, it's on the Anarchist Library for free. Don't buy it, Jeffrey Bezos your money. Yeah, so it turned on a

VPN used tour and go to the Anarchist Library. It's it's in this category of books that are like like, okay, when when when you have your Noble band books list, they don't include. There just two kinds of books the don't include. One is they don't include books where it's like, well they didn't technically ban the book, but they tried

to arrest everyone who wrote it. And then too, they don't include Alfredo Banano's arm Joy, a book for which she was arrested, thrown in prison and kept through well. The Italian government, on orders from the Supreme Court, like took every copy they could find, lit it on fire and giant bonfires. The other thing with that, you could have hand sam book even if they did not arrest

the owners. I've talked with a lot of green anarchists from who who were active during the green scare, and they definitely arrested people just for having having like like if like if you had it, that was evidence that you were a terrorist, Like it was something that like you don't talk about, you don't put your fingerprints on it, um, because having this book could get you in trouble, Like you don't like it's it's it's it's there's there's multiple ways to ban a book, one of them being if

you have it, they're gonna try to charge you with like terrorism enhancement stuff might also trying to cause a pretext. So, yeah,

fun book. Yeah, and so, and like I think, yeah, calling it like I think with so, I think a lot of the stuff that people were doing that I called monkey wrenching or sort of like ecological sabotag just called eco terrorism today because people have just well there's like a whole loop of this, right because there's there's there's there's the fbig the green scary growing, like, all of this is terrorism. We're going to use the fucking entire like giant like military appc actually built up to

like go after about people setting free animals. But then but then like like at some point and this is this is I think thing. It's very interesting in the last sort of like five ten years, like people who weren't really involved with the original stuff decided that eco terrorism was cool. And now everyone on Twitter just talks about eco terrorism all the time, which is like they talk about interesting term. Well they don't and this is

the thing. Those people don't do it, and it's like come on, like but on the other hand, there are a lot of people we should maybe caveat for our British listeners that you absolutely can be prosecuted for having that book, and multiple people have been prosecuted in the last two years. And the Anarchist Cookbook. I mean you could still be oh yeah, it's like they they can't. Yeah, even if you're an American you can still get they've

still gotten people for having the book. Like it's it's it's that's that's that's interest thing about how the censorship works, right, is it like like you are allowed to be a capitalist and sell it, but you're not You're not allowed to buy it because you a terrorist. Yeah, wonderful stuff. Yeah, in Britain, you can't even things like the Anarchist Cookbook, Like people have been prosecuted and anyone should be prosecuted

for the Anarchist Cookbook because because it's dogshit anyone. Pretty Yeah, I've always wanted to do like a deep dive into the history of all the ship that's been blamed on that book and yeah, all the people who have And it's funny too because it's not like the Army literally doesn't publish fucking Field Manual, but you could just buy it a store that like has all the same ship. Like, but you know, terrorism is when we do it and

not when they do it. That's right, So I want to talk about so like this whole thing is is a product of like this, like you know, this is what sabotage it turns into. Right, And there's you know, and some of the people stuff that like is being done here isn't really that destructive. Like a lot of people like you know, like people people like sitting in trees. Right, there's a lot of stuff that sort of like civil

disobedience that is like you know, including this stuff. But then there's also like but you know, but but like stuff like spiking trees is where you I think you and it's basically destroying construction equipment is where stuff you start you start to get this sort of like modern understanding is sabotage is like a thing that like an activist does to like a piece of machinery. But you know, like there's a lot of things people do, like people sabotage,

like whaling ships. But then also I want to sort of close the episode with this, is that like there's a lot of people in a lot of other places in the world who do, like who do a lot of stuff for echolog school defense that doesn't get put under this framework where for example, there are groups like the Niture Delta Avengers who are like, Okay, fuck it.

If if the Nigeria government is just going to execute ecological activists, we're gonna pick up guns, we're gonna blow up pipeline pipelines, and we're gonna start shooting, and you know there there's ground in between, like the sort of like we're gonna do sabotage and we're going to like do arms struggle like an Ecuador for example, one of the responses you see to sort of like a tax in indigenous land by capitalist developers, this indigenous groups being

just like fuck it, We're doing an uprising, and then tens of thousands of people like spend three weeks fighting and fighting cops in the street until they stop. And you also see stuff that's like it's kind of like because one of the other specifically in France, they do this all the fucking time, like one one of the older sort of like workers like sabotage tactics is just like you kidnapped your manager, and like people do this like now in France, Like it's just like, okay, you're

the manager. You can't leave until you greet it or demand like but like when people will do this in ecological settings, well like a government sending a government minister to like negotiate something that would be they'll be like, I'm a manager around and people will just be like, okay, like we're kidnapping you, Like we'll let you go when

you stop doing this. That's good good stuff. Yeah, And I think and I think like and these tactics also sort of spread, like for example, in Chile, if you look at like if you look at their sort of like like Milton ecological struggles, especially like indigenous the Pochay resistance, like that is a place that like more than anywhere else have ever seen love setting construction equipment on fire, like they really they really like lightning backos on fire.

It's it's it's good stuff. Um, but you have having sort of said all of this, like the fact that sabotage is synonymous was sort of like property destruction, is I like, I genuinely think like a triumphal of corporate propaganda because the original meeting of it right there and the original politics behind it, which which is this like very explicit class politics of like fuck it, Like if we are not going to get the actual like products of our own labor, we are either not going to

work or we are going to take it from you or where you and to make sure that you also don't get the products of our labor. Like that's so so just ord of gone. And that's that's that's very sad to be because it's it's it's a good politics and we need more of it. And yeah, all of this sort of is to say that workers have no reason to fear the black cat, but boss's owners and capitalists live in fear. Your time will come happy Halloween happy.

How the cut fences somehow I didn't somehow I never mentioned bolt cutters in here, which is sort of wild. Oh yeah, actually so some something something I learned on a job once is that like, okay, so so like bart Razor wire is really scary stuff like it has like it has like anti clouding agents in it that like I've like on the wire, but I've gotten passed

a lot of right there. Why yeah, well, but I mean the thing the thing about this right is that like you could just cut, like it's actually really easy to just cut, like the chains on the chain ink so many people people have very strong like you can just sort of do this and like this and this is this is useful for a lot of things, like example, if you have to break down sections of fences and fences in your lawn, like, yeah you can. You can do lots of fun things with boat cutters. Keep the kids,

oh tin snaps, keep the kids off your loan. Yeah that's right. It's spooky weak. So it can happen here those with ghost noises if you hadn't realized, And that must mean that today we are doing a podcast about mass graves. What's going on? What the fu happening in the background? Running sounds, running water. We've summoned a fucking spirit? Where's that coming from? I don't hear it. I don't. I don't hear anything. Guys, you're just you don't hear it.

It's gone now it's the podcast where we convince Garrison there's a ghost in the zoom machine. It's okay, I could I could like do a I could do a lesser bad as you go to the pentagram? Who really want to? It's fine, I'm not worried. I like the pentagram. That's what I'm tattooing on my children. Oh, nice me too. Yeah, you haven't done the forehead there like a coward, you've done there? Yeah? No, I mean elbow. Elbow is the way to go. So, Garrison, what do you know about

mass graves? Um never been to one to my knowledge. Uh, they seem like they're not great. Usually they're a signifier that something something not great happened, a little bit of a noopsie. Uh yeah, you can be a way to hide one's mistakes. Certainly, where would you have yet to guess where the biggest mass grave in the world is? Where whe would you go for? Well, I know there's

a lot of big ones in Canada. But if I'm going to guess, they call those schools in Canada and yeah, I would say, like Russia, maybe he has the biggest mass grave. I don't know. That's just like off the top of my head. No, it's not. It's you've got a guest sting. Oh No, I know where the biggest cemetery is, but I guess that's very different. Where is the biggest cemetery? I Rocky Rock has the world, and it's supposed to be haunted. So this one is not haunted.

But as far as I can tell, it's the biggest mass grave in the world, about thirty four thousand people. Um. And this is in Spain. Spain does not get enough credit for it. It's mass graves. In fact, second only to Cambodia in the number of mass graves that it has.

Spain has about a hundred and fifteen thousand people who were forcibly disappeared and are still buried in unidentified graves, but about thirty five four thousands of them are buried in the place we're going to talk about today, which is the Via de los Caidos or the Valley of the Fallen. So the Cailros is not only a mass grave, but it's also a Catholic basilica. It's also the largest basilica in the world, and it was built by one Francisco Franco, who was the dictator of Spain from the

nineteen from nine. And it was also his own grave until when Spain dug him up, put him in a helicopter, flew him across the country so that no one could like car bomb or protest or otherwise desecrate his corpse, and buried him in another grave. So that's what I want to talk about it today. The vaa los caido, it means value of the fallen. Right. Incidentally, there's a film called Valley of the Dead, which I said, anyone else seen this? Was it just me who said to

curse himself? Okay, just me? More of the shame. Yeah, many more people should be enjoying Spanish Civil War zombie fiction movies in which both sides come together to fight against the greater foe of the undead. Not actually a thing that happened. The value of the undead. Yeah, it could be called the value of the undead, but they didn't. They didn't quite get that far. Some of the least spectacular dubbing I've ever seen in a film like I'm

used to watching, like English stuff dubbed in Spanish. But I don't think I've before seen something Spanish dubbed in like really cringe American English. It's not it's not great. No, it's not. But in a sense it is also great, but in you know, in a sort of enjoyably bad. But yeah, it is. It is very funny. It's on Netflix. It's free malon Nazis. I think it was called in Spanish, but Valley of the Dead in in English. People should check it out if they want a different spooky film

towards his Halloween. So let's talk about the Valley of the Fallen. It was built under Franco's direction as kind of this national act of atonement for the Civil war, and at first he said it was going to be memorial to both sides, so that's like Valley of the Fallen. But well, first it was supposed to be a memorial to the martyrs of his glorious crusade against the Reds, against Adlinism, against Satanism, against all the things that are

bad according to Franco's but it wasn't. Really, it was just a giant monument of Franco's national Catholic ideology, which kind of fuses in Nhure and the church in this one massive ball of terrible ship. It's designed in the neoclassical style, which fascists of fascist loves the neo classical style because they can like draw these direct lines between themselves and the empires of antiquity, right and except without the fucking paint, because their cowards and fools look white

because they're tiny babies. This is true. Yeah, yeah, they never did the thing where they like bedazzled their statues like the Greeks and the Romans did. Most of shame, someone should bust in there with some glitter spray paint and tarted up a bit. I haven't done that, unfortunately. Look returned to tradition. Make your statues look cringe. Yeah, that's how they're supposed to look. Don't worry, the statues do look cringe, but unfortunately they're not shiny, which is disappointing.

It it's built of granite, though, which I guess is kind of a return to tradition. It was built very near the Escoriale, which is like the resting place and palace of the Kings of Spain, and that's because Franco wants to row a link between himself and Philip the Second. Right.

Philip the Second was the King of Spain, who, at the time that he ruled, ruled every continent that was known to European people, or ruled territory, and which is great, which is not a problem, of course, it's in fact good and an inbred old Spanish dude was ruling over places that he couldn't really conceive of and had never visited,

and there are no problems with that, okay. So work begins on Vadlos Cairos in y right, it's a year after the end of the Spanish Civil War, and Franco decrees that he's going to make this memorial to the glorious national crusade against the Reds, and unbelievably he wanted work to be finished in a year, which obviously he's not operating in like reality because he's a piece of ship. But it took twenty years to build, right, So it

was off by yeah, big construction, understand Francisco Franco. And like King Philip, he could have plunder the entire labor and capital of the America's to build his folly, and instead he relied on the forced labor of about twenty thousand prisoners of war. These were former Republicans, right, and

they were forced to build a church. Obviously, many of them did not like the church, and we're not really very fond of building what is now the biggest Catholic cathed in the world actually, and it has the biggest cross in the world, which it shocked me that the biggest cross in the world wasn't in the United States, but I'm sure Ted Cruz is actively working on it

as we speak. Yeah. I feel like if you walked around my hometown and told people at the biggest cross in the world was a Catholic one, they would immediately spent twenty trillion dollars building a bigger one. Yeah, I mean, the only thing that could convince them defund the police would be yeah, yeah, owning the Catholic cross. Maybe we should put that, we should enter that into the discourse on true social or something that Franco, of course, is

not the only person buried there. Right right next to Franco in the center of the Basilica is his friend Jossi Antonio Primo de ri Veda. U Primo died exactly thirty nine years before Franco on the twenty November and he died because he was killed by the Republicans, which is based on good and and he has just little gravestone there next to Franco, which of course has not created any problems. After Spain it sort of began to

transition to democracy and Franco died. It's of course not a bad thing to put a giant monument to fascism and francois m and nobody is going to turn up there and do a fascism in the years afterwards. Oh yeah, it's a little bit unfortunate. So there's every day at eleven o'clock a priest says a mass, and at the mass you can generally find old people who will sort of mill around for a while and then quietly start

doing fascist salute, which is not which is not great. Yeah, to be comfortable first, yeah, well you got yeah, you gotta get like, you gotta example the vibes, and then do a fascism and the vibes here are probably not great. They also have acquire any acquire of small children who sing why because fucking what? Because everything about this is cursed.

There's a film, there's a film about these old children who go to a quote unquote traditional school at the Basilica, which I can imagine it's great, and they learn all kinds of wonderful things about critical race theory. Yeah. So the priest also says a for the fate of Spain and the blessed blessed Martyrs, which really really is wonderful and perhaps points in the direction of the complicity of the Catholic Church in looks of the war crimes that

we're going to talk about today. Second consecutive episode where the Catholic Church possible for the whole thing. Wow, I can't believe the Catholics did anything bad. No, it's shocking, isn't it, given their history of being kind and good and generally respectful towards people they disagree with. So true, James, Yeah, no problems with the Catholic Church. So this particular church is hun It's just a giant hole in a granite ridge, right again, a giant hole cup by the Fourth labor

of Prisoners of War. It's called the Value the Fallen because today it houses the remains of about thirty three thousand people. And this is what makes it the biggest

mass grave in the world. Right. The monuments register includes many of their names, and it has the motto kaidos portiosi Espana so fallen for God in Spain, which conveniently overlooks the fact that most of the people there didn't like God very much and really didn't like the version of Spain as being presented here either, right, because the vast majority of them were Republicans, people who would fought against Franco's idea of Spain and the civil war, and

the bodies that came there really kind of came there in two distinct waves. And so, like I said, Spain has about a hundred and fourteen thousand odd people who are buried in unidentified grades. Right. The vast majority of these people are Republicans who were killed by Franco his forces, but some of them are not. Some of them are Francoists, Catholics, Carlist other like right wing fascist type people who were

killed by the Republicans. Right now, the bulk of those people were dug up and I identified by the Francois regime in the time that he was in power, and many of them were moved to the value of the Fallen and they're identified there. But the majority of the people in the Valley of the Fallen were Republican people whose remains were taken without their consent from mass graves where they were victims of Franco's terror right, and they were moved to the value of the Fallen to be

some kind of like weird pyramid sacrifice ritual. I don't have a a complete grasp of Catholicism, but I certainly don't understand this ship two sort of I don't know, make make Franco's temple more like spectacular and it's very strange. It's it's it's very cruel, right. I want to quote from the BBC article in two thousand and eleven that was written about one of these people, Jorge val Rico so Um Joe Vardrico Canales, was taken from his home in August n six in the middle of the night

and shot by a Fascist execution squad. His town had fallen to the uprising and he had been singled out as a socialist in nineteen fifty nine. His remains were dug from a well and moved to the Valley of the Fallen. More than thirty thousand warded from both sides of transferred there on Franco's orders. For me, it's excruciatingly painful that my father's remained from a place built to the glory of the victors in the military coups Fausto, Canales.

It feels like a double crime. First when he was executed, then when they moved his body without our permission to a place, which is totally inappropriate. H So that experienced Sally is far from uncommon, right between three, Like I said, about thirty thousand, these graves were dug up. Lots of these were like shallow roadside's graves. They were wells Some people were buried in graveyards and they were transferred to

the valley. Sometimes they weren't transferred in their entirety. Incidentally, that's like they did. These mass graves are not well organized. So like to perhaps give some context here, like these they began in Spain began exhuming these mass graves in two thousand seven. Right, there was a historical memory law past h and they're often just just jumbles of corpses and bones. Right, some of these mass graves contain like

a thousand people. I don't imagine them being like, hey, we're going to do a mass grave, now, you know what I mean like there was kind of digging a hole putting bodies in it. Yeah, yeah, it's fair to say. Yeah, no one made a good plan, which is unfortunate, isn't it. But yeah, they like they would were they would get all the people who they identified as socialist or feminist or otherwise objectionable to their vision of spanishness and then kill them all. Yeah, and then put them in a hole.

He because they consider them to be less in human and they seemingly seem to have like dived into the hole and grab some bits and pieces and move them to the value of the fallen at some point. Wait, so wait, we like how are did okay? Like? Like what what actually? Like? How are like the bodies in the Valley of the Fallen like held? Like what arere they? Just like are they in like caskets? They just dump

them in another hole? No, there are like there are like various it seems that there are various different like some of them are in these little stone there are like these little stone tomb looking things. But I don't think that those actually contain the remains. I think they're in these various pits. So they just it's it's another they moved from one mass grade another mass grade that they build a sacrifice temple over. Yeah, so they're now

beginning to exhume the already exhumed bodies front that. So they're now digging up the valley of the fallen right to to identify these remains and Catalonia. How is a d N a registry? So if you believe that you're it would be like people of our generations grandparents. If you believe that your grandparents are in a mass grave, that they were disappeared, then you can register your DNA And they tested against the mass graves that they're excuming. Well,

so that's how they that's how they identify people. And Christian Do you know what won't dig a mass grave and throw your grandparents in it? I cannot. Yeah, Black Rifle Coffee Company. Well I was just gonna go with Coca Cola. But well that's three options and we're back. Hopefully. There was no reference to mass graves in those adverts, but we can't promise you that. Sadly, they also can't promise you that there's mass graves they didn't talk about. Yeah,

that's probably more likely, isn't it. Anyway, Enjoy that advert for Nestle. Moving on, some of these mass graves have been identified by a Spanish nonprofit group called Innovation and Human Rights, and they actually have this incredible data set specifically on the Valley of the Fallen where you can look up the location of the corpses that are there, right, so like where did these where the of the remains that have been identified from, where where do they come?

And three thousand, nine d and two corpses. That's about seventy bus loads of dead people. If you want to imagine that they came from this small town of Taigona, which is where I used to live. That's that's not a big town. I was trying to think of like a California town to contextualize it by it, but I think most people would have heard of town sets more.

I this despite being a pretty rural area. The camp to Tarragon that contain contributed about of the corpses that remain in the valley, and that's probably because it's part

of Catalonia. Catalonia was Spain is a multi national state, so there are lots of nations within Spain, like Catalonia and the bas Country being the ones that people are most familiar with franco particularly hated Catalan separatists, and so as part of this ongoing punishment of Catalonia for like trying to leave Spain during the Civil War, the franco Is dug up the remains of the people they'd already murdered and moved them to a long way from Catalonia.

Right the Vaidelis Gilos is near Madrid. Conditions for people who built the valley were pretty appalling to the workers and their families lived in these shacks. According to archaeologists who exhume them last year, Famili has lived in nine square sharks with no water electricity. They made shoes out of old tires, and they had no windows or no heating. Their beds were made of stone, and they and their

children suffered from malnutrition. It's it's not particularly rare for people to have offered from malnutrition in Spain after the Civil War, this period was called the Years of Hunger. But even so, it seems like there was particular cruelty applied to these people, many of whom were serving sentences for things like forming unions or forming student political movements. Right like that, they were like they hadn't done anything wrong, that they were the victims of a totalitarian state. So

one of those people is Nicolas Sanchez al Bognos. He was interviewed being a Catalan newspaper and Nathionale and he talks a lot about his memories there, and incidentally, he escaped after a few months with the help of Norman Mailer's sister. Yeah, yeah, yeah, based. She's incredibly based, actually, like yeah, she she like helped him escape and then ferried him across the Pyrenees to France, where he escaped

into exile and Argentina lived for decades. And the only good well, okay, I was gonna I was gonna make an only good Argentinia and exile joke, but probably probably is actually genuinely worth mentioning that a lot, like a lot of people who were Jews fled to Argentina to like right before wor War two, and that's a huge thing. And you get people like calling them Nazis because they're fucking dumb as ship and it's like, guys, come fucking like if you can't teble between the Nazi and the

people they were killing, like please stop. Okay, this has been my interlude about people doing this ship because oh my god, yeah, maybe maybe don't cast his persions, maybe do a little bit of reading first, and so yeah, a lot of people, a lot of them end up in in Argentine exile. Actually, ironically, Argentina also claimed universal jurisdiction.

So what we've seen in the last few years, it's like Spanish historical memory groups trying to trying to get people who perpetrated crimes against humanity under Franco extradited to Argentina to be questioned, which which is also very funny given that Argentina has his own legacy of crimes against humanity, right,

and Spain does his ship too. Actually, Spain claims universal jurisdiction, and we'll try and like extradite people who have done crimes against humanity in formerly colonized countries without Spain has not faced up to its own crimes against his own population. You know, I will say, I am entirely down for like intentionally starting some sort of like Spain Argentina like ship fast where both of them like get piste off with each other and start trying each other's war criminals.

That's really funny. I would be better, I would be even more impressed to see, Um, are you familiar with who Balfava Thorn is? See that weird prosecutor guy? Yes, yes, yes, yeah, who tried to who tried to try US officials for crimes against humanity for the things they did at Guantanamobey. Yeah, it would be outstanding. I would love to see like Spain and the United States come to blows over like

their respective crimes against humanity. It would be wonderful, Sandy, And like in Iraq too, I think he like, um, what was it called that? The do they call it enhanced interrogation techniques that they were using when they were like electrocuting people and such. Yeah, so like he tried to prosecute people for that. Sadly, like everything else in Spain, he strayed a little bit too close to looking at the corruption of the Spanish state and lost his position,

which is a shame. He did some pretty chuddy ship himself, Like he very clearly presided over trials where people had very clearly been tortured and was just like, oh, that's interesting to see you in the witness box giving this testimony. I'm not going to note the fact that you've like very clearly been beaten to ship with a ninth stick. Yeah, Spain a country with no problems famously and so yeah,

Albernos escapes. Actually there's a film called the Los Angeles Barbaros, the Barbara's Years, I guess, the Barbarian Years, which which looks at his escape, and he was one of only two people to be escaped. But people died building the Valley of the Fallen right and then were buried there in this weird monument to to Francoism. So, like I said, Spain really hasn't dealt with its legacy of of mass

murder right um. And it never really had a Truth and Reconciliation commission, never really dealt with the amount of people murdered after the war. Um. And it's really only in the last like ten or fifteen years at Spain has begun digging up these mass graves. So um. And the Pedro Sanchez and the Socialist government they've they've begun

doing more to deal with this. In two thousand and seven and earlier at his Sourcils government passes thing called the Law for Historical Memory, and the Law Historical Memory funded and the Recovery of the memory of the Civil war right, and you can draw very obvious parallels between how Spain has dealt with its civil war and its tradition to democracy and how the United States has dealt with its civil war right, and you will see like that there is um do you got do you know

what voxes? Yeah, they're they're like the insane for a right party in Spain, Yes, and so fucking cringe, holy shit, even for the standards of our right parties, Like oh my fucking god, god, yeah, do they wear silly outfits? Yeah, I would imagine, so I don't. I don't think. I don't think there's ever been a picture of them, like where they haven't been in like the weirdest looking ship. Because occasionally some of the like Spanish fascists, were some

pretty gay outfits. And it's really funny. Are you talking about the the phone legion, the ones who were like if Tom of Finland created a military Yes, yes, that is exactly who I'm referring to. Yeah, okay, yeah, they are not so much like outright fascists as a fashy military unit, but yes, yeah, it's I know, yeah, absolute first trap. Just like if people should google photos, if

they haven't seen them. It'll occasionally pop up on like Twitter or something where people will find these incredibly butch dudes who like, like, it's not that they've unbuttoned their shirts just so just that their pecks are ripping out of their ship. No, it's their shirts are not equipped with buttons because ye like to be in that unit, you have to be so incredibly buff that you you start buttoning your shirt from the navel down, and which,

to be fair, is more appropriate in Spain. I remember, like I used to teach in Spain and then I taught in the United States and like coming back and being like, oh, I really have to change the way I dress to be appropriate for an American audience. Yeah, the to get back to mass graves and away from tactical first traps. The what Spain didn't have right was like Franco didn't get hung upside down from a gas station and beaten with sticks in the face. Right, more's

the shame. There's still time, right, his body, his body is still available for beating. You know, maybe maybe they wouldn't be the worst thing. But Spain never really faced its past, right. So in seven and amnesty law was passed, which prevented any criminal investigation into the crimes committed in

the Franco years. Um statues of Franco some of them were not moved until like the last five or ten years, and when they were removed, and it was like the government just went in in the night and scooped them up and no one really said anything and then they

were gone. And so like Spain has only really really recently entered into this period like that we call its second transition, and that's like it's transition from Spain began transitioning to democracy in right, but what we call the period after that, it's more of a post dictatorship then, like a complete democratic transition in Spain was still processing as you can see, right, many of its crimes under Franco, and it's it's really only begun to process those in

the last few years. So that gets us up to the oh that I think election of Pedro Sanche's right in the Socialist government and um their decision to exhume Franco. Right, So Franco's Franco's lying in this monument. Right, it's the biggest mass grave in the world. And on the day of his death on the twenty February every year. It's

it's a gathering place for fascists. Right, So Franco and Primo daily Vera both died on the same day, and fascists and casualists both love this this kind of weird spiritual magic shit and really really yeah yeah, I've heard, I know there are some books about it apparently, uh huh yeah, okay, so yeah, it's said that both of them have a fundness for this stuff. So then both dying on the same day, it's an extremely fucking cursed

thing that has led to sucks. Mm hmm. It sucks if you if you ever have to go near this place on the twenty November, which I don't recommend. Oh god, I could only imagine that must be well, that must be the worst time. Yeah, because it's all because it's all of the nerdiest Nazis like yeah, it's like yeah, yeah, it's like if if like nerdy like Nazi internet people had a real life place to gather and just do

fucking fascist salutes, that sounds like it sounds horrible. The fascist with a calendar like no, yeah, the calendar who's like into praying. It's like, yeah, really really really into praying. I'm just I'm just gonna say this, if the if the anarchists were in charge of you wouldn't be having fucking stupid, cringe pray fascist meetings. This can be prevented,

then can rise a third time. Sure, but it is the nerdiest thing ever to think about a fascist like updating their Google calendar being like, yeah, for all their spiritual holidays where their leaders died, why do they always celebrate the day that their leaders died. It's always the weirdest for us. It's a death cut, right, like, like, like their leader dying, is this is the moment when they finally expressed the pure core of fascism. That's true.

That that's actually a really good observation that actually is is more on the point than what it should be, right, Yeah, immortalizing them on that day, yeah, I mean was the slogan of the did the African the African Army, Like yeah, I think it spains for a legion actually like long lived death. And they called themselves like, yes, that is their slogan. They called themselves the what's it called the Fiances of Death. Yeah, they're they're they're all gay because

they're all married to death, which is pretty metal. They're also kind of fashy. But yeah, that that that does really showcase the whole death cult aspect of fascism. Yeah, you know, you know what it isn't a gay necromancer again, we can't promise. I wish, I wish we could advertise some more recollect I would, I would be in my element. Yeah, I've just done an ad read for a couple of them. Actually I should have should have. Let you know, I am the so jealous. That's all, that's all I want

out of life. Yeah, please enjoy these gay necromanty products and services. Okay, we're back. I hope you enjoyed that as much as we did. So. The incredibly cringe and just boomerie fascist cerelevation on Franco's death and Primo de Rivera's death on November always happened at the Vidloskidis, right, they would turn up in two thousand and ten Spain

band like fascist symbolism. But this hasn't really stopped fascist doing fascist symbolism right, including bringing there for land flags, giving it the fascist salute, marching and to just generally doing like cringe like where where like our OTC cosplay meet meets the Catholic Church stuff on the twenty November of a year at Franco's grave and like there are always flowers on Franco's grave, Like you can't go there on a given day and not find someone like lamenting

the fact that Franco is dead and they can no longer just disappear people they disagree with. Right It's ship And so incidentally an amusing sort of side effect of this with that, do you remember the storm Area fifty one like Facebook thing? Yeah? Yeah, the right Area challenge like last year or two years ago, yeah, three years ago, I didn't a lot longer ago. It does it? Also

it also feels like a very thing. Yeah. So the Spanish version of this was Invade via los Cailos, with the slogan that like if the state, the state can't

get him, if we get him first. I don't think this was an anarchist attempt to steal his body, but like massive respect of it was I think to some extremely online people doing something that they thought was and actually is funny, which is yeah, like unfortunately it didn't really come too much because they plan to do this on the twenty November and in October, Franco's body was removed from the Valley of the Fallen. Okay, see this, this is this is the thing with all of these things.

That's the same thing with the fucking stuff cony thing. Like the problem that all of these groups have if they want to do is they always set their date too far out, Like you gotta give it like max. It has to be like two weeks out, because if it's any longer than that, you momentum, Yeah, you get scooped. So look, I if you, if you, if you, if you want to seize the body of a dead dictator and throw them into a canal, you have to move fast.

And that's why I'm announcing that for for November nineteenth. We're all now, we probably shouldn't go to Russia to have fun with trotsky body. Should be Yeah, we're going. He's Trotsky's body in Russia. Yeah, I thought so. I know. I've seen back from Mexico. I have had I've had friends that have gone places to make fun of Trotsky's body. Um, len his body. Lenning's body is up for grabs, like okay, it's just sitting there. Well, I think we should start small.

Let's encourage the fans of the podcast between now and what we got right, but now in eleventh of November, right, go after Papa doctor Valier, get get him start you know that, and then move on from there. Okay, it is it's in Mexico. Yeah, you're right closer to the sort of geographical heartland, and we don't need to go into a war zone. So yeah, and the middle of November, we're all going to be going going to Mexico road trip. Yep, yeah,

let's go. You know, I will say there is something genuinely interesting here about the way that like, okay, so you look at sort of fascisms, sorry, you look at fascism's death drive in the way that it's sort of like treats these money means to death. And then like you look at the way that every single sort of like like all of this say, socialist regimes, Like it's not so much that they have a death drive, but

it's like they're like all of them. Like I learned this recently, Like so I knew that they didn't too, that they'd like embalmed Stalin, right, and like well they involved Lenin, they embalm maw. Yeah. They they also learned

they did it to Chi Minh too. It's like it's like they did it's like all of these people, and it's like there there's there's this sort of weird, like almost in version of it where it's like like fascism is based sort of on like you know, like on on the sort of totalizing worship of death, whereas Stalinism is like it has this kind of inversion of it where it's like it's based on like a kind of like eternal life for their leaders in this also incredibly

bizarre way. And then when it be like all of Europe is determined by previous like talitarian legions, but there's there's something, there's something orthodox about the way they've done the dead Russian dudes. So I want to talk about Franco's corpse a little bit, and then I want to end with something else, because I don't want to just focus on Spanish fascists because they suck and I hate them, and I am sad that they are not all dead, but Franco is. So Franco's family weren't allowed to use

the Spanish flag on his coffin. Yeah, so instead they fucking got the Franco with flag, right, the old nationalist flag, which because they have filth, they did that. Instead, they carried his coffin onto a helicopter. They flew in by helicopter to Madrid, where the services provided over by a priest who is the son of Lieutenant Colonel Antonio to head on Molina, the man who led the failed Night

One coup that attempted to topple spaine young democracy. And great to see this continuation of these elites, right like, this is a this is a country which has of course moved on completely from its civil warren dictatorship. On the post off side, Franco is now buried with his wife, and he is very near to Luis Carrero Blanco, who people will remember as a podcast alumni in Spain's first astronaut. And so I was going to quote Vox, but I won't because they fucking suck and now wants you quote Fox.

You should just like throw fruit at them, And I think that's like that's not an actionable threat, right, just sure, sure, don't throw like any fruit sort of potentially lethal, right, like like a large watermelon or something potentially fatal, like just a banana or if you know, the Vox representatives like allergic to a fruit you throw at them and gets on their face and they die and it gets blamed on James. We all get taken into a year's long lawsuit and then we all lose their jobs. Don't

do that. Don't do that. No blame someone else for that. You can if you are directing the police to me in Spain, they can to take me by Twitter DM by Twitter is at at chopped at Chapel Trappers, That's where you can find me. Yeah, yeah, it sell traps. Okay. So of course Fox make exactly the same bullshit destroying history argument and the Confederates make in the United States. It doesn't make them anymore right because they're in fact wrong.

But incidentally, someone else died on November and that is one boilivant duty right. Unlike Franco, he's not buried in a monument made both fucking slaves. He's buried alongside other anarchists in in Barcelona. You can visit his grave there. It's very cool. You can always meet interesting people hanging around his grave. And if you're in Bathonia you should do it. Rutty died in the middle of the Battle of Madrid, like so many other Spanish anarchists. He died.

It's lunclear actually if he died because some and negligently discharged their own weapon into his back, and which seems to be the most likely case, or leading a frontal charge on a machine gun, which which is how so many Spanish anarchists died because they were so utterly convinced of their incredible like and they're not wrong either, they were right about most things, but like you get, their

willingness to die for anarchism was perhaps a little bit problematic. Well, I mean this is this is like a thing across the whole history of anarchism, like like part one of the reasons that the Russian Revolution went the way they did was that, like it's like the sort of like first crop of Russian anarchists, like the moment the White are formed immediately just went to the front lines and all got killed and like Lenning and meanwhile letting in

Trotsky are like fucking chilling and letting like sucking Patrick Grad being like yeah, which exactly what happened in Spain, right like Ferrara, all these people like get to the front lines and immediately start killing fascists. Meanwhile tanky people.

I was gonna say something else, um, like spending that time plotting and scheming to from becoming a completely fucking irrelevant political force in Spain to taking over in a year and a half because they are the only people are willing to provide weapons and many of the anarchists are dead. What were you going to call take people? I can't what were you going to call? Take people? It just makes me angry, and it's just gonna just

that's that is that is an ovisive answer, etcetera. Yeah, it's just gonna say scum or filth or British swear I can't use on the podcast because of fans American people, which is fine. Um, yeah, it's disappointing. I don't want to be canceled by work mob. Okay, yeah he did Australian moments. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I nearly went full Australian, which, like I've done it before on television and it just

doesn't end well, all right? Uh in Spanish not English which also Spanish wordy November in Spain this year it will be like what three weeks when people are listening to this some fascist ship head. If you live in a town in Spain will be walking around doing shitty fascist things, and people who live in Spain of course very aware of this, but I wanted to finish it said with another thing that anti fascists in Spain doing November.

So on the fifteenth of November this year, anti fascists all over Spain will be gathering to remember fifteen years without Carlos Palomino. People might not know who Carlos Palomino is, but I want to very briefly recap his story to finish up. So on the eleventh of November two thousand and seven, Carlos Palomino and about a hundred other anti fascists got on the subway in Madrid to counter protest a right wing rally and Luca, an immigrant neighborhood that's

home to mcgrid's Chinatown today. On the train on the way there, he ran into a twenty year old Spanish soldier or say hoss ware estebanners uh Estebanez was dressed in clothes I I don't want to talk about the brand actually because you shouldn't hype market Nazis, but the clothes showed that he was a far right skinhead. Right Carlos Palomino notices Estebanners, takes offense at Carlos Palomino, noting

his Nazi clothes, and stabs him with a machette. Yeah, he stabbed someone else as well, but unfortunately, Carlos dies pretty quickly. He was sixteen years old at the time of his death. He was the only child of his mother, and he lived with his mom, who was separated from his dad and his grandmother. And it affected his mother, as one can imagine, pretty terribly right the loss of loss of her young son, and as a result, his mother has become a prominent anti fascist activist in Spain.

She founded the Association of the Victims of Fascist, racist and Homophobic Violence, and ten years after his death, a thousand people turned out and a memorial to him, and ever like ever since he died, every year you'll see these massive rallies in Spain of anti fascists. If you've ever seen do you remember, like a year or so ago, there was this video going around trip and there was a group of people chanting like a kiss anti fascist US.

Here are the anti fascists. I see such videos on Twitter all the time, so I don't I don't, I don't know it like, it gained relevance among people who I've never seen engaging with Spain in any before. And it was a huge rally one thousands of people came out to remember him, and I'm sure thousands of people will this year too, Like we've Spain's like it's Spain's right for a long time tried to couch itself in

terms of the neoliberal center right. Yes, so like the Partio Popular would see itself in terms of like maybe the Tories in Britain or Editories are pretty pretty mental, but like this this kind of neoliberal European right. Yeah, and it it broadly sort of wanted to see itself

as part of this like post fascist European right. But in recent years it's just taken this this swing towards the hard right, like Vox has emerged, and even the Partido Popular, which would have seen itself as like neoliberal right, have tried to like outbox Vox and they're now like just openly standing Francoism again. And in this climate, anti

Fancism has also seen itself resurgent. I guess we're an anti fascist identities in Spain and more relevant or more common than they would have been ten fift twenty years

ago something like that. And as a result, these memorials for Carlos who become bigger and bigger for a year, and so I wanted to end with a letter his mum rate to global anti fascist collectives in two thousand and eleven in our memor reason, all the anti fascist victims will always exist who are fighting for a world of equality, dignity, freedom and social rights were killed by

the ideas of intolerance and fascism. The memory will exist for all those victims who, due to their different cultures, religions or sexual orientations, were murdered by the same murdering hands who hate those who are different. Now it's time to continue working against hate. That is the best tribute Weekend offer. Their struggles were not in vain. We will continue the path, although they are no longer with us

in every action of anti fascist struggle. They're inside and in each and every one of our hearts, which I thought was really poignant. His mother is amazing. Yeah, this whole thing fucking breaks me. Like I was think this was a time when like I too, was being a teenage anti fascist in Spain, and this is someone who's like almost exactly my age and obviously isn't alive anymore. And yeah, i'd encourage people to read more about him. I normally share these events on social media when they happen.

And yeah, this is extremely sad and continues to be extremely sad because Spain refuses to face up to its past, the dictatorship. You can look at where Franco's grave is, organized a protest and execute it within two weeks and toss him in the river if you want to be very proud of you. That is absolutely a legal thing to do. And I would be prosecuted in Spain, but yeah, it did. Any Spain has prosecuted everyone from sucking clowns

to puppeteers. Now it's now, it's serious. When you start coming out of the clowns is when I I start getting personally consulted. We need to do our episode on clown Block soon, don't we? We do? I can put on I have clown block right behind me, okay, yeah, and then the British police will send someone undercover in your clown movement for five year is who will marry one of you? And let me let me be a silly gesture, leave me alone, Nope, not in Britain. It's

a crime, all right. Uh, okay, that's been a podcast crimes. Okay, welllcome to the fine Spooky Week episode. Hi, look, this is this is it could happen here. This is our last Spooky Week episode for this year, and we're gonna

be talking about something extremely spooky and Halloween themed. Rainbow fentanyl the newest deadly threat hiding in your kids trigger treat basket, or so you would think if you are a frequent viewer of Fox News or really any local cable news channel, and that rainbow fentonnel in particular is troublesome because of its appearance. This is treacherous deception to

market rainbow fensonel like candy. This is every parents worst nightmare, especially in the month of October as Halloween fast approaches. That was Fox five News, New York and d E a special agent Frank Tarantino, giving a press conference on the rainbow fentanyl scourge sweeping the nation. It's not hard to see how this narrative became the new protect the

children pearl clutching panic. It's a natural extension of the police officer touches sentinel and spontaneously overdoses lie that local news across the country have been pushing for over a year now. More on this later, coupled with the old classic poisoned, drug laced, tampered Halloween candy myth that's captivated American parents for decades, whether it be razor blades, napples, needles and tutsie rules, meth in, gummy bears, cocaine candy corn,

or th HC sour patch kids. If you've ever watched any local news during the month of October, clips like these should sound really familiar. Police in at least two Wisconsin towns are investigating reports of possible Halloween candy tampering breaking right now at ten concerns about possible tainted candy in Economy Walk tonight. Police tell us they've received reports of a suspicious person handing out tutsie rolls on Oakwood Avenue.

Right now, police have no evidence that any candy has definitely been tampered with, the world's leading researcher on Halloween candy tampering, Joel Best, professor of sociology and criminal justice at the University of Delaware, has found little evidence to substantiate Halloween candy fears Joel Best has published multiple studies analyzing the legitimacy of Halloween candy tampering, including his research paper The Razor Blade in the Apple, The Social Construction

of Urban Legends, and his sociology book Threatened Children, Rhetoric and Concern around Child Victims. I have followed press coverage of Halloween back to ninety eight, so more than sixty years, and I cannot find any evidence that any child has ever been killed or seriously injured by a contaminated treat picked up in the course of triggered treaty. So let's go back to kind of where all this started. The first report of Halloween treats being tampered with in North

America was in nineteen fifty nine. That's how Leween, a California dentist named William Sheen, distributed four hundred and fifty laxative laced candies to children, thirty of whom fell ill. He was later charged with outrage of public decency and unlawful dispensing of drugs. This is kind of like the only incident that is that this has ever actually happened with was back in the late fifties. This is the only true one of someone like handing out actually laced

candy to tons of kids. Now. To determine whether the current tempered Halloween candy myths hold any weight, Joel Best examined twenty five years of Halloween coverage from the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, and Chicago Tribune. In his research, he found that there's only been one confirmed death from a poisoned Halloween candy, and it wasn't from a nefarious

stranger who wanted to harm trick or treaters. The fatal incident occurred in nineteen seventy four, after a Texas man named Ronald Clarke ob Iron poisoned his eight year old son with a cyanide laced pixie stick shortly after he took insurance claims out on his children. O'Brien had reportedly given poisoned pixie sticks to his daughter and three other neighborhood children, but the candy had not been consumed since then.

Joel Best said that in some instances, kids tamper with their own candy to get attention, or a friend or a family member played a prank that went awry, or even a foreign object ended up inside candy during the manufacturing process. And that's the majority of these types of claims that you'll see on the local news. Now, Halloween can be a particularly dangerous holiday, but not due to tampered candy. The real notable danger comes from pedestrian deaths.

I studied published last year in Gamma Pediatrics, analyzed data over a forty two year period in the United States and found a forty three percent higher risk of pedestrian deaths on Halloween night when compared to the week before and after. John Staple, lead author and clinical assistant professor of medicine and a scientist at University of British Columbia, said that quote, we found that particularly among kids age four to eight, the risk was tenfold higher on Halloween.

So yeah, Halloween actually is pretty dangerous, but it's from a car, not from someone sneaking drugs into your kids candy. Last year, before the current Rainbow Centinel scare, the drug laced trick in your kids treat was weed laced candy and snacks, causing quote unquote THHC overdose among children. But shady marijuana push yours package them just for kids, and if stony patch kids are mixed in, it's hard to tell. And Unfortunately, the black market is making it easy for

children to get these products. Ben Salem police confiscated what looks like normal candy during a traffic stop earlier this month. But these Sweethearts, they're medicated. These sour patch candies have a twist, and these Cheetos are anything but all of these items are laced with th HC. By laced with th HC, they mean the forty dollar Stoner Patch dummies are a manufactured weed candy sold in legal weed shops

across the country. The fact that these novel t THC products are incredibly expensive and in packaging covered in we leaves doesn't seem to matter. Um, But yes, I'm sure the black market is super eager to give away tiny fifty dollar bags of weeded rito's. Two children dressed as the Avengers all right, now the details on a big warning for parents. Tonight police officers and Ben Salem confiscated

these items during the traffic stop. It's candy laced with marijuana, and now police don't want these friendly looking snacks to get into the wrong hands. With Halloween coming up. I'm going to quote from Filter mag quote. Attorneys general across the country are participating in the annual tradition of urging parents to stand vigilant like free drugs disguised as candy.

On October four, state a g s issued such claims, all using the same data and language which appears to have been generously pre written for them by the Department of Homeland Security Ohio, Illinois, Connecticut, and in New York

and Arkansas. Earlier that month decried the dangers of youth THHC overdose, but without hinting at what those dangers might be, except for New York Attorney General Letitia James, who alone of the ages swung big, saying New York parents should be on the alert for deceptive cannabis products that look like standard snacks and candy but contain dangerously high concentrations of th HC. These products are especially dangerous for our children.

We've seen an increase in accidental overdoses among children and nationwide, and it's vital that we do everything we can to protect our children and curb this crisis and prevent any future harm or even worse death. Now that's a stunning claim, even by weed disinformation standards. To date, there's been no confirmed evidence that THHC overdose has ever killed anybody adult or child. So with all of that drug laced Halloween history, onto the latest rainbow colored menace in your child's tricker

retreat basket. That's Halloween approaches. Federal authorities are warning parents about the deadly consequences of fitnel pills, particularly about the rainbow variety that look like candy. The Drug Enforcement Agency first put out a statement on multicolored quote unquote rainbow fentanel near the end of August two, claiming during that month that the d e A and law enforcement partners

seized brightly colored fentanel and fentanel pills in states. And this is how the presence of colored fentanyl was framed in the d e AS initial statement. Quote this trend appears to be a new method used by Mexican drug cartels to sell highly addictive and potentially deadly ventanyl made to look like candy to children unquote. Now, obviously, children aren't the biggest consumer base for these drugs, since they have no money, have very low tolerance, and are unlikely

to be a repeat customer. But that hasn't stopped the d e A from continuously referring to these colored pills as quote unquote marketing to attract kids, as if there's rainbow fentanyl ads on Nickelodeon or something. It seems the only one marketing rainbow fentanyl is the d e A itself and now news channels across the country. This is from Good Morning America. Warning certainly one here that parents need to hear with Halloween coming up. It's about potential

deadly fentyl pills that look like candy. Obviously, the d e A is an enforcement agency, not a harm reduction agency, and the way they've been talking about fentanyl the past few months has focused more on old War on Drugs style propaganda, with anti immigrant drug warriors pushing the fentanyl

for kids and narrative. The d e AS messaging seems largely targeted to parents and more intended to cause panic than actually work to prevent overdoses, and it distracts from experts that say drug criminalization is what actually increases overdoses,

not these quote unquote candy colored pills. Mariah Francis, a resource associate with the National Harm Reduction Coalition, says such rhetoric is quote an active byproduct of drug policies that prioritize criminalization and political agendas over active harm reduction unquote, as colored fentyl can actually serve as an indicator that

these pills are not prescription drugs. The other war on drugs style scare tactic being used a lot recently has been promoting heavily publicized drug seizures and making highly exaggerated claims about what the busts mean to the illicit drug supply and public health. Michigan and Ohio, we seized approximately

four million deadly doses. Special Agent in charge Orville Green says nationwide that number jumps to thirty six million deadly doses seized and just four months in there in pill and powder form, the source materials coming from China produced by drug cartels in Mexico, calling them quote unquote deadly doses, Like yeah, dude, if you quantify your seizure by an amount that could be potentially deadly, I suppose you could only measure in deadly quantities. I could do the same

thing with with caffeine. I can go to the store and pick up like ten banging g drinks and be I just got a deadly dose of cafe. Like yeah, that's if you're measuring it in that way, Sure you can measure it as deadly doses. Plus in that clip from Fox to Detroit, you can see the anti China, anti Mexico angle that they're running with now. Obviously, places like Fox News has been eating the stuff up. Just

during the first half of September. The network mentioned rainbow fentannel at least sixty six times on the air over the previous month, weaponizing the narrative to blame migrants at the border and China for the supposed threat that the

drug poses to poor, innocent children. And many of people's most trusted news sources, which are local news outlets, have contributed to the d E a s panic by parroting the agency's statements as pure fact, pushing the claim that rainbow fentanyl is meant to attract kids just at face value, presented without any skepticism, without any fact checking or information

from independent drug policy experts. Here is a headline from ABC twenty four in Tennessee quote rainbow fentanyl the colorful marketing tactic already in Memphis streets and this is from a TV channel and Raleigh, North Carolina DA warns of so called rainbow fentanyl putting children at risk, and headlines like that have been a diame a dozen the past month, never once bringing up that there's not a single piece of evidence that these pills are being peddled on the playground.

This is exactly the kind of behavior from news organizations that leads to misinformation and panics, which distract from actual public health dangers and relatively simple things we can do to combat them. Fox News, many local news stations, and the d e A itself has now joined in the long standing annual tradition of Halloween candy based fearmongering by baselessly claiming that parents should be concerned about fentanyl appearing

in their child Halloween candy. Federal agents with an urgent warning to parents about potentially deadly sentinel pills that look just like candy. Dubbed rainbow fentanyl, authorities are calling it a newly packaged poison as Halloween is around the corner. The idea that people are going to give away free drugs for Halloween, which just get wild concept. Um I wish I would, I would go trick or treating more

if there was free drugs. But this idea has been boosted by elected leaders and non d e A government officials. Florida's Attorney General, Ashley Moody, did a whole press conference saying quote Halloween can be very scary, but nowhere near as scary as rainbow colored fentanyl that looks like candy

and can be lethal in minute doses. Whether these drugs are being transported in candy boxes or mixed in with other common drugs and sold on suspecting users, the threat POE to the safety of kids and young adults is very real. Just one pill laced with fentinel can kill, so parents, please talk to your children about the dangers posed by this extremely lethal drug. Halloween could be scary,

but that isn't anyway. Senator Rob Portman wrote quote, we must have all the boots on the ground to interdict deadly rainbow fentanyl as Halloween approaches, which he posted alongside a Fox News story about Fentinel disguised in candy packaging, which is simply a common tactic to smuggle drugs through borders, which is why such packaging is found so often in drug seizures. Now, nobody is planning to give away free

skittle fentanyl. Too, Little Timmy when he comes knocking on doors and more quote unquote boots on the ground is exactly what law enforcement wanted when they started this lie. The d e A budget has gone up every year, and so have Fentinel over doses. But it's the won't somebody think of the children angle that's so irresistible to news media. It provides a huge rush to our cultures

actual favorite drug, fear for our children. It's the same undercurrent that fuels attacks on drag queens and trans people. Fear for the kids. While a long piece and CNN explicitly said parents of young children should not overly panic, h w R A l piece cautioned that quote, we all know how easy it is for children to pass candy around to each other, as if like rainbow Fentanel is going to be shared around like Eminem's at a lunch breaker or something like And one of the more

silly things that I found. People running the account for ABC seven Eyewitness News hid over one hundred replies pointing out the disinformation in their so called eyewitness news story. In their tweet that read quote hashtag breaking twelve thousand Fentinel pills seized in wrappers of Skittles whoppers, sweet tarts at l a X, sparking renewed Halloween warnings to parents. So yeah, they hid over one hundred applies to that tweet basically saying this is this is bullshit. You have

no idea what you're talking about. This this story again, it conflates methods of drug trafficking with a longstanding myth of expensive drugs being hidden in cheap Halloween candy. And then, by far the most ridiculous thing that I found. It's just because it's kind of absurd and slightly funny. Laura Trump on Fox News did the most ridiculous Rainbow Fentinel segment that I could find, including spreading the blatant lie

that police officers have indeed died by simply touching fentanyl. Yeah, you look at the police officers who when they just pat people down and they find it, if it touches their fingers, they literally go into shock and almost die from it. Something I think have died from it. The idea that you could have a kid anywhere in America if if one child dies from this on Halloween. I gotta tell you, we have to take action to stop this right now because parents are terrified and we have

no answers, what are we supposed to do? They're gonna go trick or truth? So Democrats ruin Halloween to can they really do? So. What you wouldn't know by watching these types of news programs, whether they be Fox News or just regular cable news, is that the colors in these drugs have been added to pills for years. The real danger isn't that kids are being given fentanyl like candy.

It's that fentanyl is being pressed into the shapes of other prescription drugs like oxy codone, and people will take a fentanyl pill thinking it's something else and then overdose. And throughout many of these news stories, they don't mention narcan, or if they do, they mentioned in the context as saying, like this school in l A Now carries narcan. That's how bad things are getting. They use the presence of an arcan as like a bad omen which mean no,

people should just have narcan everywhere cause it's great. More on that later. But these colored pills provide such a compelling visual for anyone with a financial stake in continuing prohibition.

In a way, the d A is right. Rainbow fentanyl is a marketing stunt, but one concocted by the d e A itself as a justification for its own existence, rather than drug sellers marketing their product to kids, using the escalating demonization of fentanyl to call for increased funding to law enforcement and border patrol, and the need to convince a public acclimating to the idea of fentanyl that actually,

fentanyl is even scarier than what they once thought. Quoting filter Meg again quote, people sell drugs because they are economically motivated to do so. No one except the d e A and its allies is arguing that it's a good business strategy to kill off your adult buyers and give free samples to children previously untapped customer base because the fentanyl wasn't never pretty enough, and not because children

do not have money. The emergence of different colors that pressed pills alongside the traditional blue fentinel pills won't lure in younger buyers. If anything, it will help keep newer

buyers safe. Unquote, Brightly colored fake pills that are clearly fake are helpful for people being cut off of their prescription and turning to street drugs to remind them that what they're getting is not the oxy codon that they're used to, but something more podent, and for more on what fentinel actually is and to kind of get an expert opinion on these topics, I interviewed Ryan Marino, uh, the resident fentanyl expert who's sited and basically all of

these news stories. So after the s ad break you will hear that interview. First, can you introduce yourself? So I'm Ryan Marino. I'm a medical toxicologist, emergency doc and addiction medicine specialists. So what exactly is fentanyl? What, what's the deal? What's what? What is what is the actual thing? Because people I know have heard a lot about it, but they may may be unaware, like what this type of opioid is, how it's different from other things, why

it's around. Yeah, and I think most people here kind of one side of fentanyl. And so fentanyl is a synthetic opioid, So it's a lot like harro and morphine, oxycoda and all those other things. It acts the same way. The difference is that it is more potent and because it is fully synthetic, it can be made without the necessity for like large poppy fields whether all that stuff. Um, but it's it's very easy to produce. It's used medically

all the time. UM, it's like one of the most ubiquitously used medicines and very invaluable lot for its medical uses, but in the street because of a potency small amounts to make a huge difference in the dose that people get, and so fentanyl in street drugs has been the main driver behind what people call our opioid overdose epidemic UM and the kind of record breaking overdose deaths that we've

had in recent years. I would like guess that one of the biggest reasons that people have heard about fentanyl is due to police officers and all of the stories from the past year of police officers spontaneously overdosing by either touching it, getting too close to it, breathing the same air that it's around. Can you overdose by touching fentanyl?

You cannot, UM, So there is a hatch that's made for the medical fentyl, so it can absorb through your skin if you try really, really hard, but it's incredibly ineffective. Even with the best pharmaceutical technology that money could buy. UM, this is still very slow, very ineffective. Touching fentyl cannot cause an over dose and the way it exists on the street particularly, you're never going to encounter the form or quantity that you would need to cause an overdose.

So these stories are nothing more than urban legends and misinformation. How why are people having these effects? Then? Right? Because there's videos of people like fainting and falling over and they're like this police officer needed to receive narcan and was rushed to the hospital. Like what what? What's actually happening there? Because people obviously look like they're experiencing something, but it doesn't really match up with what fentinel is

able to do. So it's a really interesting phenomenon. And if you look at any of these stories, any of these videos, you can very clearly see people having real symptoms. I'm not trying to cast any doubt on that, but what's reported and what's shown is actually the opposite of what fentyl would do, And so people report feeling very anxious, breathing very rapidly, having their heart race, all of the

things that fentyl would actually cause the opposite. And so I can only speculate on what's really happening there, but my guests would be that this is some sort of panic reaction related to the fact that people are hearing about this every day, hearing the vannel is killing hundreds of thousands of people, hearing that other people have just

dropped down from being near it. UM. And there's also this related concept called the no cebo effect, which is kind of like the dark side of the placebo effect, if you will, UM. And so basically it's just that if you believe something so strongly, you can have very negative of real symptoms from it, and the way you would treat this would be with a placebo, which in

these situations Narkian is a placebo. So the fact that Narkian works for some of them UM kind of suggests that there is some sort of placebo no cebo effect

going on. I know that the ventil has become more common since the pandemics rough you, I would say probably starting in California is what most of most of it looks like in terms of like the whole like opioid epidemic thing, like why is this become such a big problem in the past like three years specifically, like with fentanyl getting into so much of the supply well, so

fentyl started getting cut into heroin. UM particularly on the East coast like pretty early on, probably like ten or more years ago now, and took a while to make its way west. It seemed like California actually had different heroin, and particularly like black tar, heroin was more prevalent there, which can't be as easily replaced with a powder for

anyone who's familiar with heroin. UM. But now, I mean, there is really no like other opioid supply, So things like heroin are almost impossible to come by just because it doesn't exist in the world. The like oxycodone, oxycont and all of these pills that people used to sell on the street also just don't exist because they're not

being prescribed anymore. Some of them aren't even being manufactured anymore. UM. And so what's left is really when you take away the supply but you don't address the demand, is something's got to fill it. And Fentyl is there. Fentyl is really easy to make. Its relatively cheap um and simple to produce, and so you can press it into pills that look like oxycodone. You can mix it up into a powder that looks like heroin and gives people similar effects.

But because it's so much more potent, which it's like fifty times more potent than heroin. Um So, I mean if you think just in terms of percentage wise, like a one or two percent difference could be double the dose when you compare it to something. Um So, that's where the trouble comes in. And then with the rainbow fentanyl angle, the DA has been talking about how fentanyl

is this new thing to market two children. They sort of market a lot of being like this is like some advertising job done by big drug to to sell to sell two kids. Um Because first off, like why would these drugs be pressed into different colors, like with with with with the fentanyl pills being in you know, the multi colored collect Like what's the actual purpose of that. Well,

so that's a great question. And I don't know what to make of whatever the d e A Is doing and why they make these announcements because there's there's no evidence behind it. Um They have provided no evidence and their own press releases going back years show multiple colors

of ventational pressed pills. Um My best guests and in talking to like people use drugs, people who work in the same space across the country, is that pharmaceuticals come in different colors, and so these probably were mostly just to mimic things like oxycode on tabs. Also, I mean dealers like to add their own kind of like marked the things in terms of heroin will come with different like stamps on the bag, so probably something similar there.

But also I mean people just tend to like things that are are colored more than like a grainy beige pill um. If it comes with like a pink or green on, it is going to be more desirable. But there's no evidence what so ever that this is intentionally marketed towards children. Children are not good clients for for drug dealers, and these are just things that adults want.

American adults are the ones buying these drugs. I guess can you speak more on how the d e as rhetorics around this thing, especially it's been like escalating the past few months leading up to Halloween, right, there's been a lot of heavily publicized seizures saying like we seized enough sentinel to kill five hundred million people or something like.

They're like they they frame it in this really like bombastic way, and then you're there's a lot of stuff talking about how it's it's being hidden in like candy boxes and they're going to be giving it out on Halloween to your kids, And like, what is the d A doing? Like what what's their incentive for talking about it in this way? And obviously and you I can't like ask you, like what what is the d A doing? Ryan?

Why are they deal like this? But like from your perspective, like like this rhetoric doesn't seem very helpful in terms of actually preventing overdoses. It seems to be kind of just fear mundering um specifically with stuff like like like like like with the drugs being hidden inside candy boxes. There's reasons for why people might do that to smuggle them.

But with all of the rhetoric that the DA has been been pushing, like, is it like actually dangerous the way that they've been talking about it in terms of like it's not it's not talking about harm, production, is not talking about ways to actually help. It's just like scaring parents, it seems. Yeah. I mean, I think the d e A is solely a law enforcement agency. There is no one there involved in the treatment of addiction in terms of like addiction science, chemistry. No one there

who is like a performer drug user even Um. So their motives are always suspect to me. And I think with this rainbow fentanel press release they put it out, there was no evidence behind it, that none of it made any sense. Um. The term rainbow fentanyl wasn't even searchable before August two when the d A made this announcement,

which is is kind of crazy to think about. Um. And then within six weeks of that announcement, US Congress has pledged to give them hundreds of millions more dollars to quote unquote fight rainbow fentan all, which is again

a thing that does not exist. Um. And I mean looking back, the d e A budget has gone up year on year hundreds of percent since like the nineteen eighties, but even within the context of our opioid overdose crisis has gone up year on year for all of the past I don't know however many years you want to look at it. Their department size grows every year, uh, and overdose deaths go up every year. So whatever they're

doing is obviously not working. Um. And like you said, I mean, they particularly ignore in distract from things like harm reduction, from real and space measures and kind of

public health investments that we could be making. And when it comes to hundreds of millions of dollars extra being thrown at the d e A for Rainbow fentannel, and we think back to, what was it just like last winter when the current administration set aside I think thirty million dollars towards harm reduction being the first time the federal government has put aside dedicated money for harm reduction, and that created its own kind of like moral panic

backlash as well. Um, but thirty million dollars was the first and only federal investment in harm reduction, and yet three million dollars can be drummed up at the drop of a hat for an invented crisis. So it does really kind of beg the question of, like, what are we doing here? And why are we continuing to do

things that don't work? What do you wish people knew that would help them maybe combat some of the misinformation that gets peddled by like lots of like local TV stations are very quick to cover types of stories, very quick to cover the stories of like your local cop just almost died at the school by getting within five ft of a sentinel vaporizer or something like like what what do you wish people knew to help like combat

this type of stuff. I mean, it seems like common sense is just not common when it comes to drug topics. If the police were saying that people were giving out guns for Halloween, if they were saying that they found uranium or plutonium in a car and four officers went down, that would require serious consideration and fact checking before it

ever was reported on or accepted. And so I mean, I think when it comes to this idea that someone was in a car with a bag of fentinyl and nobody in the car was affected, but the officers outside the car all went down, um like just basic kind of critical thinking or applying any lens of skepticism, I mean, makes all of these narratives fall apart. So that would be I mean, my biggest ask in people watching these stories.

I feel like the onus of responsibility really should be on the ones who are reporting it, not to just necessarily take the words of law enforcement as authority on every subject, especially when they do not have the background to be authorities on how things like ventinyl work. Before we close out, I would like to talk a little bit about narcan um like what it is, what it does, and where people can get it. So Narcan is amazing.

I cannot say enough positive things about Narcan. I mean, I'm not like a religious person or anything, but if miracles were to exist, Narcan is literally a miracle, um and especially if anyone has ever seen it in action. But so, what it is for people who don't know, Narcan is the brand name nasal spray of nilock Zone, which is the antidote or the reversal agent for anyone experiencing an opioid overdose, including fentyl. And there are no opioids that Narcan does not work on. It isn't gonna

reverse every situation, certainly, um. But it is a perfect antidote, so to speak, or as close to one as we have ever had, um And So I mean, if you are worried about someone experiencing an overdose, it's something that you can carry or have nearby, and anyone can give it. It was the nasal spray was actually designed with taxpayer dollars. Interestingly enough um so that an untrained child could administer it,

and so it's very easy to use. It's very easy to obtain for the most part, nowadays it's available and I think almost every state without a prescription, you can just go to your pharmacy and ask for it UM. If you can't get it from like your local health department or another harm reduction organization. But I have it in my car and every work bag I have UM, I take it with me when I travel. It's something that people can carry and really makes a big difference.

And obviously you don't want to experience or come across someone having an overdose. But it's much better to have with you UM if you need it than to be unprepared and have to kind of deal with the consequences. And I think this far into this like opioid overdose crisis that the United States and now most of the world has been experiencing. Most people can probably think of someone who they know who they've lost to overdose or or similar situation UM, and you don't want to kind

of be stuck regretting it later. Well, thank you so much. UM. Where can people find you on the internet? So I'm mostly just on Twitter at Ryan Marino, just my name on word all right, Well, thank you so much for coming on to talk to us about the latest scourge hiding inside your kid's Halloween basket. Thanks so with that, that does it for us today here at it could happen here? Um, have fun, tricker treating. Um, if you have any drugs, good for you. I'm happy you got

this for free. Watch out for cars. Uh those are actually day dress. And thanks thanks to everybody who attended the recent It could Happen here live stream. Thank you so much for coming. I hope to get through more questions, but we went a little long because there were so many people. But I will I will answer two more questions here. Did you know that the latest My Little

Pony movie has a literal xenophobobic fascist dictator as an antagonist? No, I did not know that, but it's not surprising based on what I know about the recent My Little Pony media. And then, um, what do you think is the most important thing somebody can have for a disaster or chaos preparedness?

My personal answer to that would probably be friends, friends, really useful UM books on how to like make stuff and like how to like you know, basically survival books because you don't want to count on having the Internet. And then I don't know, like water, water filters, water purification tablets. Those would be those would be my picks. But I hope everyone has a happy, happy Halloween and that doesn't here for it Could Happen Here. Closing out

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