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This is Michael Phillips, an historian in Texas. I'm the author of the history of racism in Dallas called Bite Metropolis, an upcoming book on the history of eugenics in Texas called The Purifying Knife.
And I'm Stephen Monticelli, an investigative reporter and columnist in Texas who covers extremism and fire right movements, as well as dark money and other fun things.
In twenty twenty two, Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito author the Dobbs Versus Jackson Women's Health Organization decision. Alito's majority of opinion reversed the landmark nineteen seventy three Roe v. Wade outcome that established a woman's constitutional right to an abortion to the first trimester, permitted states to impose limits to protect the health of the mother in the second trimester, and gave states leeway to ban abortions and the final trimester.
The Road decision, based in a Texas case, had survived with modification for almost half century. In Dobbs, however, the Supreme Court denied that women held a constitutional right to an abortion and gave the individual states the power to determine whether such procedures were legal at any point during a pregnancy. In the Dobbs case, Alito seemed to suggest that the concept of abortion rights was a modern aberration.
MSNBC pundit Lawrence O'Donnell zeroed in on one key phrase in Alito's opinion.
Samuel Alito says that a right to abortion services is not quote deeply rooted in this nation's history.
Whatever one might think about Alito as a jurist, he fails as an historian. In fact, for much of American history, abortion was quite accepted. When men first formed the American Medical Association in the eighteen forties, they had to wage a campaign against abortion, in part to eliminate competition for patients from midwives, who were the primary provider of such services.
The nineteenth century, anti abortion laws focused on the health and safety of women primarily, and not the life of the fetus as the modern laws tend to do, and the anti abortion campaign at the time itself had to do not just with limiting women's autonomy, but also with racism and anxiety over immigration.
Through it all, Texas became a central battlefront in the culture wars surrounding women's bodily autonomy. One group of Texans won women the right to an abortion in the Road case, while another worked almost immediately to reverse row and to criminalized choice. Meanwhile, a Dallas district attorney, Henry Wade, played an under appreciated and under explored role in the battle.
The often dower Puritans who established the British colony of Massachusetts in the sixteen twenties may have created an oppressive theocracy, but they proved surprisingly indifferent when it came to women's decisions when and if to have children. Based on British common law, the colonies in New England allowed abortion up to the quickening, which is when women can first feel fetal movement. In that era, it was the first clear
sign of impregnation. This moment varies widely for women, but it generally happens during the fourth or fifth month of pregnancy.
Women typically endured seven to eight live births, and the experience was often grueling and life threatening, particularly as they got older. Seeking relief and physical safety, women frequently terminated their pregnancy in a variety of ways from Native Americans, as white women learned which local herbs were considered a bord of facins. White and black women also sought advice
from midwives. It provided wisdom on how to relieve mensual cramps, Yet pregnant and breastfeed midwives provided abortion services as well. Women attempted to end pregnancy with varying degrees of success by consuming penny royalty or savn juniper, or a combination of iron and quinine. They took hot baths or rode horses bareback in order to cause a miscarriage.
Before the eighteen forties, such actions provoked little or no controversy. Even the Catholic Church adhered to the quickening standard until after the American Civil War. By the eighteen forties, abortion had become so deeply rooted in American history and culture that abortionists advertise their services, albeit in euphemistic but widely understood terms. These advertisements were carried in popular newspapers such as The New York Sun and the Boston Daily Time.
Abortionists told patients they could provide quote French cures for what was referred to as quote menstrual blockage.
A dramanic shift happened after the eighteen forty seven founding of the American Medical Association. Established by men, the organization began lobbing states to ban abortions in an attempt to discredit midwives, who represented major competition for female patients. Medical journalists began to dismiss midwives and male doctors who provided
abortion services as dangerous, ill informed quacks. AMA members were still unaware that germs existed, and they didn't clean their hands or equipment when examining wounds or during surgeries, thus causing many of their patients to die of sepsis. So called regular doctors often used dangerous treatments such as bleeding
to treat illnesses. Yet, in spite of their high body count, AMA members persuaded major press outlets such as The New York Times the sensationally cover cases in which women died during abortions performed by midwives. This created momentum for the enactment by eighteen eighty of laws banning and criminalizing abortion. Every single state except Kentucky were stake courts that already rendered such procedures illegal.
The drive against abortion wasn't all that it seemed. Abortion opponents were worried that the wrong women were. In other words, white wealthy women were choosing to limit how many children they had. The fertility rate for white women fell by almost fifty five percent between eighteen fifty and nineteen thirty. Horatio Storer, the leading anti abortion crusader at the time, railed against non infanto mania among upper class white women, a trend that the sociologist Edward A. Ross would call
quote race suicide. President Theodore Roosevelt later argued that white women had a patriotic duty to bear at least four children. Logically fit Anglo Saxons quote have only one child or no child at all, while the Irish, Italians and Jews have quote eight or nine or ten. Theodore Roosevelt warned, it is simply a question of the multiplication table. He wrote, the future of American civilization, Roosevelt believed depended on reproductive math.
White women could not be allowed to become voluntary non combatants in a racial demographic war.
In the eighteen eighties, Texas was still seen by much of the country as an unsophisticated frontier, but was home to a highly influential doctor with a national following, Ferdinand Eugene Daniel, who became editor of the Texas Medical Journal,
a eugenesis with a national audience. The surgeonets served in the Confederate Army and argued that masturbation and homosexuality were dangerous indications that individual came from a family line that not fully evolved or was biologed logically regressing fully evolved individuals he believed had less of a sex drive and
kept their minds on intellectual pursuits. Daniel argued that before the Civil War, Americans had endangered their future by bringing Africans into the country as slaves, and were compounding the error by allowing what he called quote the dregs of Europe Jews, Greeks, Italians, and others to immigrate to the
United States. The only way to say America's biological future, he said, was by cash strating not just gay men and masturbators who would cause the evolution of white America to swing in reverse, but also to sterilized as sexually promiscuous, the mentally ill, those with disabilities, and the criminal element as well.
Daniel could be surprisingly supportive of abortion rights under limited circumstances, however, if it ensured that well off white women had long and fruitful careers as mothers. Daniel wrote approvingly of how electric currents might be used to end ectopic pregnancies, cases in which fertilize eggs attached to the Filippian tubes or elsewhere outside the uterus, which can be dangerous and can
kill or leave a woman infertile. Both outcomes undesirable for a eugenicist like Daniel, who cared for fit white patients.
In eighteen eighty seven issue, he published an account of a debate among doctors held by the Medical Society and Terrell, Texas. The topic was whether saving the life of a mother was the only acceptable reason to allow an abortion. Some doctors in the debate argued that abortion was morally acceptable for quote, an intelligent and chaste woman who had gotten pregnant after being deceived by a scoundrel into participating in pre marital.
Sects because of sexual double standards. Several of these Texas doctors argued that such women would no longer be considered a socially acceptable mate by a high status man, and thus should be denied the chance to become an quote,
ornament and useful member of society. Regardless of Texas's abortion law, a surprising number of doctors in the state performed abortions, not only to save women's lives, but to save the reputations and to relieve them of the financial and physical hardships of unwanted pregnancies.
In eighteen ninety nine, Ueca, Texas Mary Wheat, discovered she was pregnant and sought an abortion. The procedure had been illegal in Texas since eighteen fifty six, a year before the recently formed American Medical Association began a campaign to prohibit abortion in every state. By eighteen eighty, the AMA had achieved its goal. In spite of the ubiquitous spans, abortions were frequent and there were a large number of
doctors willing to provide the prohibited medical procedure. Wheat, called Maddie by friends and family, found such a physician, doctor S. M. Jenkins.
Texas law at the time had not eliminated abortion, but instead had driven the practice under Because of this, doctors received little or no training in how to perform such procedures that proved fatal for Maddy Wheat, Doctor Jenkins performed the abortion in the home of women identified by the local press only as Missus Smith, and he made a mistake. She got increasingly and dangerously ill, and then after ten days of this ordeal, Jenkins rushed Wheat into Waco's City Hospital.
He claimed she was suffering a severe attack of dysentery. She then died, and an autopsy revealed a bowel perforation which had been left during the botched abortion. Law enforcement arrested Jenkins on November first for the operation, charging him with murder.
Jenkins's trial did not go as prosecutor's planned. Jenkins testified that the fetus Wheat was caring had died and that the abortion was an attempt to save her life. According to a reporter for the Houston Post, Jenkinson's attorney were pleased with how the trial was unfolding. Quote, the defense seemed to be well satisfied with their showings so far. Public opinion had changed considerably in favor of the defendant.
The newspaper told its readers, But then the trial came to an abrupt and shocking end.
While the court was in session, Hugh Wheat, the brother of the deceased woman, stood aimed at gun at doctor Jenkins, and.
Pulled the trigger.
A bullet fatally struck the physician just underneath the ribs.
As the assassin fled, Jenkins's brother in law, John Halligan, shot back, but missed that a murder trial ended in another homicide is not surprising in a place as violent as nineteenth century Texas, But because of the modern image of Texas as reliably and even harshly anti abortion, it might be startling that the public one hundred and twenty five years ago actually sympathized with a doctor who faced prison after his patient died as a result of an incompetently performed abortion.
Abortion politics were far more unpredictable in the American past than Samuel Lito had asserted. In seven twenty three, anti vice activist Anthony Comstock of Connecticut successfully lobbied the Congress the past legislation known as the Compstack Act that made distribution to the US mail or common carriers of birth control devices or any information about birth control or how to obtain an abortion a federal crime.
Social reformers noted that bearing multi children often shorted women's lives and drove their families into poverty, and they battled for women to gain control over the reproductive choices. One such reformer was Margaret Sanger of New York, the daughter of a radical Irish father and mother who died at
fifty after burying eleven children. Sanger coined the term birth control in nineteen fifteen, and, just before World War One, launched a movement that promoted contraception as sexual and political reform aimed to reduce human misery. She had to flee the country in nineteen fourteen because her publication The Woman Rebel intentionally defied the Comstock Law and promoted the distribution of information about contraception through the United States Postal Service.
When she returned to this country, she was an international celebrity for women's rights and free speech, and she opened a family planning clinic, which faced continual police harassment. Lack of access to birth control, Sager complained, led to abortion, as she has said in a nineteen fifty seven interview with reporter Mike Wallace on CBS News.
Why did you do it?
I realized that you had an intellectual conviction that birth control was a boon demand kind. But I'm sure that others have that conviction too, and so what I'd like to know is this, what events, what emotions in your life made Margaret Sanger a crusader for birth control.
Well, mister Wallace, it's hard to say that any one thing has made won't do this or that. I think from the very beginning, I came of a large family. My mother died young children. That made the impression on me as a child. As a trained nurse went among the people, I saw women who asked to have some means whereby they would have to have another pregnancy too early after the last child, the last abortion, which many
of them had. So there's a number of things that are one after the other that really made you feel that you had to do something.
It may surprise many today that the woman who founded the American Birth Control League, which later evolved into Planned Parenthood of America, actually opposed abortion and advocated easing access to birth control as a means of making advantage. Meanwhile, around the time of Sanger's interview with Mike Wallace, Texas doctors became friendlier to abortion rights. But before we get into that quick eyebreak.
In nineteen sixty three, the Houston Chronicles survey doctors about their views of abortion. About eighteen thousand abortions took place in Texas every year, the newspaper reported in that quote, an increasing number of doctors believed abortion should be legal for reasons beyond saving the life of the mother. Texas women fought fiercely for the right to control their bodies.
In North Texas, the Women's Alliance, the first Unitarian Universalist church in Dallas, launched an education campaign about the need for the state to reform its abortion laws. Meanwhile, doctor U Savage of Fort Worth, the president of State Association of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, lobbied the Texas Medical Association to draft a statement supporting abortion rights. The state's abortion ban was, he said, in conflict with actual practice of reputable hospitals
across the state. Doctors regularly provided abortion care when a woman's life was in danger, and they interpreted that mandate broadly. In nineteen sixty nine, members of the Texas Medical Association who were surveyed approved liberalization of abortion. Laws by an overwhelming vote of four thousand, four hundred and thirty five to five hundred and thirty six.
The Texas legislature even considered loosening abortion restrictions in its nineteen sixty seven and nineteen sixty eight sessions, although neither effort was successful in spite of support from conservative state Senator George park House and a growing number of churches and physicians. In the end, activists carried the day. Two Texas lawyers, Linda Confie and Sarah Weddington, took up the cause of Norma McCovey, who had sought an abortion in Dallas.
Almost a century earlier, Texas doctors had argued whether to allow an abortion for unmarried upper class women so they could contribute to the gene pool by bearing children with comparably privileged men. Those Victorian doctors did not have someone like McCovey in mind.
Largely neglected by our parents, but Covey had suffered abuse at the hands of men throughout her life and was a frequent drug user. After giving up one child for adoption and having another taken by her mother, in nineteen sixty nine, she was pregnant for a third time while she was living in Dallas. McCovey tried to end the pregnancy herself with a home remedy of peanuts and cast roil,
but she only succeeded in making herself nauseous. She's eventually told about an illegal clinic, but when she got there, Dallas police had already shut down the clinic. Quote nobody was there, she said later it was an old dentist office. Then I saw dried blood everywhere and smelled this awful smell. She believed that she falsely claimed that she had been gang raped by African American men. A doctor might be
willing to provide her an abortion. She was unsuccessful, but a doctor referred her to an attorney who connected her with a pair of lawyers who were seeking to challenge the Texas anti abortion law. Attorneys Linda Coffee and Sarah Weddington filed a class action suit against Dallas District Attorney Henry Wade, claiming that the Texas anti abortion law, which allowed the procedure only to save the patient's life, violated the constitutional right of privacy.
Before his name would forever be linked with the history of American abortion law. By the time of Norman mcovy's suit. Henry Wade enjoyed a reputation as one of the most successful district attorneys in the country. His reputation in Dallas was built on ruthlessness, racism, and the advantages a brutally
unfair criminal justice system in Texas gave him. Wade would claim a ninety percent conviction rate, but in many of those cases he faced off against poor defendants that were bullied, lied to, and coerced into confessions by Dallas police officers. In one infamous murder case, Tommy Lee Walker, an African American man with several alibi witnesses, was threatened with a beating if he didn't sign a confession. He was misled about the consequences of signing an admission of guilt and later
died in the electric chair. In nineteen fifty six.
Wade reportedly joked quote, any prosecutor could convict a guilty man. That takes a real pro to convict an innocent man. Emmanuel Wade provided to prosecutors after the Civil Rights Era, provided tips for excluding African Americans and Mexican Americans from juries. Wade left the District Attorney's office in January nineteen eighty eight, and as of twenty eight, nineteen criminal defendants convicted by his team had been exonerated through DNA evidence.
During his time as district attorney, Wade directed police to raid gay bars and vigorously prosecuted violators of the state sodomy laws that banned oral and anal sex, including a straight couple arrested in Dallas in nineteen sixty one. While Wade may have racked up wins against badly outmatched targets before Row, he bungled his most famous case, murder covered by Dallas radio reporter Gary Delon of KLi s Am and.
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On November twenty fourth, nineteen sixty three, Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby had murdered Lee Harvey Oswald, he accused assassin of John Kennedy, as he was being escorted by police, in front of the nationwide TV audience. The case should
have been open and shut. Wade's staff won a conviction in March nineteen sixty four, but the verdict and death sentence Ruby received was unanimously overturned by the Texas Court Criminal Appeals on October fifth, nineteen sixty six, in part because the judge should have granted a change of venue, but also because Wade's team had introduced improperly obtained evidence at the trial. Ruby was awaiting a new Trialway died of pneumonia cancer in nineteen sixty seven.
The Wade team apparently did similarly sloppy work in the Roe v.
Wade case.
In abortion cases, Wade's office had generally prosecuted amateur abortion providers who had killed or badly injured their clients, and the Dallas DA's office in the City Police had not focused on enforcement of abortion laws on the books. Legal experts would later characterize the Dallas DA's office filings and the Row case as perfunctory, especially compared to the exhaustive
constitutional research done by Weddington and Coffee. This Assistant General j. Floyd won no allies on the Supreme Court when he opened his argument with comments considered sexist and condescending even by the standards of nineteen seventy three. When the Supreme Court rendered its verdict, Wade reportedly never bothered to read it best.
Kate Justice, I pleased the court.
It's an old Joe, But what a argument man argues against two beautiful ladies like this.
They're going to have.
The last word.
No one laughed, and a Texas legal team would win a landmark legal victory. On January twenty second, nineteen seventy three, news anchor Walter Cronkite made the earthshaking Roe v. Wade decision the lead story on the CBS Evening News Good Evening.
In a landmark ruling, the Supreme Court the day legalized abortions. The majority in cases from Texas and Georgia said that the decision to end the pregnancy during the first three months belongs to the woman and her doctor, not the government. Thus the anti abortion laws of forty six states were rendered unconstitutional.
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Took a while for the country and particularly Texans, to absorb the news about the Roe decision. Supreme Court ruling was announced on the same day as another big news story that over the next few days absorbed attention south of the Red River. Cronkite was on the air when the press secretary of a former giant of Texas politics called the newsman to tell him a former president had died.
Thank you very much, Tom, I'm on the air right at the moment. Can you hold the line just a second. I'm talking to Tom Johnston, a press secretary for Lyndon Johnson, who was reported that the thirty sixth President of the United States died this afternoon in an ambulance plane on the way to San Antonio, where he was taken after being stricken at his rant, which the LWJ Ranch in Johnson City, Texas.
News of the road decision had to compete not only with coverage of Johnson's death in the planning for his funeral, but also the recently negotiated American withdrawal from the Vietnam War. No one could have guessed how deeply this one decision would reshape the makeup of the Democratic and Republican parties
over the next half century. Americans divided almost evenly. Soon after the Supreme Court announcement, a Gallop survey indicated that forty six percent supported a woman's right to choose and forty five percent opposed granted women access to the abortion care. In the days following the Road decision, reactions were often surprising. Wa chris Well, the arch conservative pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas, the largest Southern Baptist congregation in the nation,
initially applauded the court. Perhaps the pastor, who had repeatedly warned thirteen years earlier that the election of a Catholic John Kennedy as president would mark the end of religious liberty, was relieved that the Supreme Court was not controlled by the Vatican. By the late nineteen seventies, Chriswell would emerge as a national leader of the religious right and would help make opposition to abortion gay rights a centerpiece or
Republican politics. Shortly after Rowe, however, he struck a very different tune. Quote I've always felt that it was only after the child was born and I had a life separate from its mother that became an individual person, Chriswell said, And it always therefore seemed to me that's what's best for the mother and the future should be allowed.
Opposition to the legalization of abortion quickly formed and would build to homicidal intensity over the decades. In nineteen seventy, three, years before the Row decision, when abortion was still illegal in Texas, Michael Schwartz, a student at the conservative private University of Dallas in the suburb of Irving, staged what might have been the first anti abortion protest in America
and history. He held a sit in at the Planned Parenthood headquarters, not far from downtown Dallas because the organization provided assistance to pregnant women planning on traveling to states where abortion was already legal, not unlike situations that Texans faced today.
The movement soon came to be dominated by right wing Republicans, and the occupations of clinics soon became violent. Abortion opponents pouring noxious chemicals into clinic ventilation systems, anti choice extremists that fire to clinics, bombed them, and even murdered doctors and clinic staff providing abortion care. One set of Texans may have won the decisive battle for abortion rights in the past half century, but a different set of Texans would lead the charge to reverse those gains.
Strangely enough, the backlash to abortion rights included norma McCovey. One day, Flip Benhim, a leader of the extremist anti abortion group Operation Rescue, approached her while she was autographing copies of a book she had authored called I Am Row. They became friends, and she later claimed that she changed her mind about abortion when she saw photos of fetuses
at different stages of pregnancy. After being baptized in a swimming pool by evangelicals in nineteen ninety five, an event filmed and widely disseminated in the anti abortion movement, McCovey
became a popular fixture at anti abortion protests. At first, McCovey embraced Evangelical Protestantism, and by nineteen ninety eight she converted to Catholicism, but towards the end of her life, while being interviewed for a twenty twenty documentary called Aka Jane Rowe, McCovey confessed that her religious conversion had been a scam and that she had been financially benefiting from her transition into a star of the evangelical anti abortion circuit.
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You know.
I checked their money and they put me out in front of the.
Cameras and tell me what site.
That's what I'm saying.
McCovey died in twenty seventeen at her home in Katie, Texas. By that point, anti abortion politics had become orthodoxy in the Republican Party. In two thousand and eight, the state passed the misleadingly named Women's Right to No Act, which mandated the physicians share misinformation about alleged fetal pain during
abortion with women who sought the procedure. In twenty thirteen, a state Senator Wendy Davis a Fort Worth stage of dramatic thirteen hour filibuster Senate Bill five, legislation that banned abortion after twenty weeks, required clinics to meet the same demanding standards as hospitals and surgical centers, and required doctors performing the procedure to hold admitting privileges at nearby hospitals.
Davis's filibuster stopped the bill from being voted on before midnight June twenty fifth, mandated end of the legislative session. She killed the legislation for the time being, and the pink tennis shoes she wore became a symbol of abortion rights activism around the world. However, Rick Perry called a special session of the legislature the next day in Senate
Bill five passed. Her efforts propelled her into the twenty fourteen gubernatorial race, but she was crushed by Greg Abbott by twenty one point margin.
In recent years, Abbot has led the charge to erase many of the gains women have won in the fight to control their bodies.
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Government, not the size of your dreams.
Under Abbot, Texas has passed some of the most intrusive and extreme anti abortion laws that tightly regulate women's bodies. In twenty twenty one, Texas passed Senate Bill eight, which banned abortions after the six week of pregnancy. It made performing an abortion a first or second degree felony unless the mother's life is in danger or there is risk
of substantial impairment of a major bodily function. The vagueness of that latter provision has terrified Texas doctors into not providing care to several women who have shown up in emergency rooms at death's door. Texas physicians have become less willing to perform emergency abortions than they were in the days before the Road decision, even as far back as the nineteenth century.
In twenty twenty three, the Texas Supreme Court denied Kate Cox of Dallas the right to end a pregnancy, even though our fetus suffered from full trisomy eighteen, the severe genetic anomaly that guaranteed that the child, if it survived pregnancy, would only live minutes. If a pregnancy continued, Cox may have lost the ability to have children in the future. She fled this state in order to obtain an abortion
where a procedure remained illegal. In twenty twenty three, Amanda Zerwarski almost died waiting for a life saving abortion when doctors hesitated to provide care because they feared criminal prosecute. For years, abortion ride activists had chanted pro life, that's a lie, you don't care if women die. In fact, the state legislature and Governor Greg Abbott did nothing, as the deaths of pregnant women in Texas sword fifty six percent.
In twenty twenty one, Johnson Lee Barnica, a mother of one, was joyful when she realized she was pregnant. She hoped to deliver a sibling for her daughter, but on September twenty first, seventeen weeks into her pregnancy, she was miscarrying, with the fetus pressing against her cervix and about to exit the womb. Barnica's life was in danger, but doctors at HCA Houston Healthcare Northwest told her and her husband that because of Texas's law, they could do nothing until
the fetus' heartbeat had stopped. Fearing criminal charges, doctors refused to medically accelerate the delivery of the dying fetus and let forty hours pass. Barnica writhed in agony, begged to be allowed to see her daughter, and a fatal bacterial in fact ravaged her body. She would die three days later, leaving her young child without a mother.
On October twenty eighth, twenty twenty three, eighteen year old Neva Crane was six months pregnant. She began vomiting and she became soaked in sweat during a baby shower at her home in Beaumont. She too was miscaring. Her boyfriend drove her to nearby Baptist hospitals. Of Southeast Texas, where they waited for five hours in a waiting room before doctors diagnosed her with strapped throat and gave her a
prescription for antibiotics. Sent home or conditionally worsened, Crane was driven to another hospital in town Christa's Southeast Texas, Saint Elizabeth. Her fever soared to one hundred and two and she was bleeding, but her doctors continue to do nothing but administer antibiotics. Eventually, she was wheeled into a third emergency room. Doctors gave her two ultrasounds, two, in their words, confirm
fetal demise. Crane's mother, who had long been opposed to abortions, screened at the medical staff to help her dying child. Cranes suffered for twenty hours before her heart failed.
Bernica and Crane's stories were revealed by the investigative news outlet Pro Publica just days before the twenty twenty four presidential election. Democratic nominee Kamala Harris made abortion rights a central part of her doomed campaign. When an anticipated red wave expected to bring a Republican majority in the twenty twenty two congressional elections fizzled and a number of abortion rights initiative passed even in traditional Republican strongholds like Kansas
and Ohio. Many pundits believe that a Dobbs effect had heralded a permanent political realignment or at least the upcoming presidential election results. This phenomenon clearly failed to materialize for Harris. Abortion rights referenda passed in seven states, including Arizona, Colorado, Maryland, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, and New York in November twenty twenty five, but they foundered in Nebraska and South Dakota, as well as Florida because the support of fifty seven percent of voters fell
short of the required sixty percent supermajority. In Texas, Trump, once a pro choice person but now the proud instigator of the Dobbs decision, carried fifty six percent of the vote.
One of the most prominent Trump supporters, University of Texas PhD. Kevin Roberts of the Heritage Foundation, might soon be in a position to see his dreams of a national ban on the so called abortion pill, mifepristone, and even the reversal of the nineteen sixty five Griswold v. Connecticut's Supreme Court decision that overturned state laws banning control pills and devices.
When Harris lost, anti abortion extremists exuberantly celebrated Trump's triumph. Neo Nazi Nick Fuentes, who if right wing rap artists Kanye West got to go to dinner in twenty twenty two. At Trump saw the Republican victory as an opportunity to reduce swomen to the status property. Hey, we control your bodies.
Guess what.
Guys win again.
Okay, men win again, and yes, we control your bodies. Hi, I'm your Republican congressman. Hi, I'm your Republican congressman. It's your body, my choice.
Texas government has become big enough to regulate women's bodies and small enough to fit inside of its citizens' bedrooms. Even though abortion rights have always enjoyed far greater support than Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito has suggested the right of women to control their own bodies and get the vital medical care they need to prevent bodily harm or
their premature deaths seems on the precipice of vanishing. This grim reality is not deeply rooted in America's history or traditions, but unfortunately it is the current status quo, and Texas has played a major role in bringing us to this place. I'm Stephen Machelli, I'm Michael Phillips. Thanks for listening.
Welcome to it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. I hope you've been enjoying the holiday season. I know I have, or at least I've been trying to. It's difficult because I keep getting distracted by this funny feeling like there's something watching over me, up in the sky, something buzzing around, And at first I thought this might just be Santa's sleigh, but then I realized no, no, no, no no, this is actually a drone. And oh boy, am I not
the only one. Drone fever is just sweeping the nation right now with the new Jersey drone panic somehow making headline based on unconfirmed and very disputable reports. The new Jersey drone thing isn't real. This is mass hysteria. Almost all of these incidents of UFOs, UAPs or mysterious drones are actually just like regular airplanes going to the airport,
airplanes that you can track online via flight radar. These aren't nuclear scanning drones, These aren't secret government military projects. These are either like legal, registered hobbyist drones in some cases, but really just mostly airplanes. A few weeks ago, there was a really cloudy day over the New Jersey coast and that day all of the drone sightings stopped because you couldn't see up in the sky, you couldn't see the airplanes. But yeah, the New Jersey drone panic isn't real.
The reason why there's blinking lights flying over LaGuardia is that those are airplanes taking off and landing at an airport. This whole panic was boosted by unconfirmed social media reports and local news sites trying to gain clicks, and somehow this just broke through into the national mainstream discourse. But
fears over invasive drones isn't necessarily unfounded though. The ones that you should be worried about aren't UFOs or nuclear scanning drones, but are actually police drones, which are becoming all the more commonplace. More and more cities this year have adopted police drone programs. So for this episode, I'm going to rerun my episode from early in twenty twenty
four about police drones. Now, in the past year, there's also been a great increase in the reporting on police drones, including a fantastic Wired investigation titled the Age of the Drone Police is Here. They analyzed nearly ten thousand individual flight records from July twenty twenty one September of twenty twenty three, containing more than twenty two point three million coordinates.
The investigation showed that poor communities, especially working class and immigrant communities, were disproportionately surveilled with police drones in Cheula Vista, flying over neighborhood blocks on the west side more than ten times longer than blocks on the suburban east side. And considering Trump's second term, fears over widespread police surveillance are only more relevant, especially in immigrant communities, and even in instances where drones like this fly over places like
abortion clinics, and these fears are not unfounded. In twenty twenty, the San Diego Union Tribune discovered that the Cheulavista Police Department was sharing its license plate reader data directly with ICE. Now it's still unclear how many drones Cheulavista PD currently has, but as of twenty twenty two, they had thirty two of these high definition camera mounted drones, drones which have now done over twenty one thousand flights since twenty eighteen.
All of this will get discussed more in depth in the episode, but for an update later, I discuss a court case to secure the public's right to access drowne footage, and this case is still ongoing. Last spring, the city tried to appeal to the California Supreme Court, who ultimately declined to take up the case, basically reaffirming the lower court's ruling against the police to withhold drone footage. This case is once again back to trial court to finalize
details of how certain footage should be released. So, without further ado, here's my episode from the twenty twenty four Consumer Electronics Showcase, Police Drones and you welcome to it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. Now, last week I spent a few days in Las Vegas for the Consumer
Electronics Showcase. Most of the time of the convention, I was just walking around the show floor looking at various new types of surveillance equipment, AI products, and various other bullshit that was being pedled to the many industry attendees of CEES. But I was also able to go to a few panels. Now panels are really interesting because you get to hear people who are working inside industries talk about stuff that they don't usually really publicly talk about
very much. And on the first day of the convention, I went to a panel about drone technology. Half of the panel was about how Walmart is launching new delivery drones in Dallas, Texas. The other half was about police drones. And that's what we're going to be talking about here today, how the police are using drones, why they're using drones, and how you can probably expect to be seeing a lot more drones up in the sky piloted by either an AI or a police officer. So let's get started.
Cheula Vista is the southernmost kind of medium sized city in California, with the population of two hundred and seventy eight thousand people. Cheulavista has a police force of two hundred and eighty nine sworn officers, as well as one hundred and twenty civilian employees. On top of their nearly three hundred officers, they operate a drone fleet ten hours a day, seven days a week, launching high deff camera
mounted drones from four locations throughout their small city. I'm going to quote from an article from the MIT Technology Review, which did a deep dive onto Cheulavista's police drones back in February of twenty twenty three. Quote. Cheula Vista uses these drones to extend the power of its workforce in a number of ways. For example, if only one officer is available when two calls come in, one foreign armed suspect and another for shoplifting, an officer will respond to
the first one. But now cvpd's Public Information Officer, Sergeant Anthony Molina, says that dispatchers can send a drone to surreptitiously trail the suspected shoplifter unquote. And this really gets at the heart of how these drones are going to get used. They exist to funnel more people into the
criminal justice system. Instead of having to choose between two calls, one of which actually could relate to saving someone's life, the other just a petty crime, now the police can easily follow someone doing a petty crime while responding to other calls and eventually catch up. It's a way to just expand the amount of people that can be arrested and thrown into jail. Nowadays, drones are pretty common tools
for police. Over one five hundred departments currently use drones, usually for special occasions though like search and rescue, crime scene documentation, protest surveillance, and sometimes tracking suspects, But at the moment, only about a dozen police departments regularly dispatch drones in response to nine to one one calls, the first of which was Cheu La Vista PD launched their quote drone as first Responder program back in twenty eighteen
with the goal of having an unmanned aerial system or drone be proactively deployed before an officer is on SENE. Now we'll hear from Chief Roxanna Kennedy of the Chula Vista Police Department talking on the drone technology panel at CEES.
We are seven miles from the Mexico border, and we are the second largest city in San Diego County.
So we have about two hundred.
And ninety officers and we serve a community of about three hundred thousand. Because of the close proximity into the door, we have a lot of people that travel back and forth. We have a drone program that I'm awfully proud of, and we are responding proactively to calls for service in our community, and so we have drone station from botfent locations throughout our city.
We have pilots in command that are on the roadtop, and then we.
Have a operation center where we have smart officers that are part one to seven pilots that fly the drones.
So we are responding now to calls for service.
On average, an officer on seeing a drone pen on seeing that, sharing information with our officers live streaming that information on our cell phones or in our computers that we're seeing information about the call.
Within ninety seconds on average.
And so what it's doing for us in sual Vista and for our community is we are providing information rapidly, real time information to officers so that they can make better decisions so that everyone goes home safely. We say, the community safer, the officers are safer, and the subjects that we encounter are safer.
So we're only proud of what we're doing.
The way police are able to deploy drones used to be a lot more limited. The use of drones is regulated by the FFA, the Federal Aviation Administration. In most cases, the FFA requires that both hobbyists and please departments only fly drones within the operator's own line of sight. But starting back in twenty nineteen, agencies and vendors can start applying for a beyond visual line of sight or bev loss waiver from the FFA to fly drones remotely, allowing
for much longer flights in restricted airspace. Chula Vista Pedi was the first department to get a BEVLOST waiver. The MIT Tech Review estimated last year that roughly two hundred and twenty five more departments now have one as well.
Another thing that I always talk about because I think it's critical, is the concept of why they're using drones, what the benefit is to the community with the use of our drones. And I truly believe that when my officers can pick up their cell phone before they respond to the call and they can look and see the scene.
What's happening where the individual is.
If the person's facing in the middle of the park, there are no children and there are no there's nobody that's within the reach of this individual harmy, you might not have to rush into that scene so quickly. Officers can dsciate make better decisions. And I mean this is just a game changer for law enforcement and right now you know, we were the first agent agency to be involved in the integrated pilot program with the FAA.
We're very proud of that that.
They trusted us enough for us to be the organization that brought forward all these these ideas that are now being utilized in law enforcements. Now.
I've watched a lot of videos of police talking about why they're using drones, of drone training companies talking about
why police drones are so important. In one video on their website, this guy from Skyfire Consulting was talking about how police may not have had to kill tam or Rice if they simply had a drone watching beforehand so they could see that it was a toy gun, which is a ridiculous thing to say, because in the nine one call that jump started this entire police interaction, it was expressed that the caller thought the gun was probably
a toy. And this notion that is simply if police have more ability to surveil, they'll be able to respond safer and apply less deadly force, I think is a
pretty suspect premise. Now, the effectiveness of drone technology and law enforcement is challenging to verify and quantify the MIT Tech Review cannot find any third party studies showing that drones reduce crime, even after interviewing CVPD officers as well as drone vendors and researchers quote, nor could anyone provide statistics on how many additional arrests or convictions came from
using drone technology. I was able to find some data on cvpd's website talking about how many drone initiated interactions resulted in arrests, but quantifying additional arrests seems to be
a little challenging. Now if you look at cheul to PD's own drone response to stats, the vast majority of deployments I estimate around seventy percent are for what the director of investigations for the privacy rights group the Electronic Frontier Foundation refers to as quote crimes of poverty unquote, which he believes will be the target of most drone policing as opposed to violent crime. Nearly thirty percent of Chula Vista's drone deployments are for what's categorized as disturbances.
Almost fifteen percent are for psychological evaluations, ten percent are for quote, check the area and information, over seven percent are for welfare checks. Six point five percent is for quote unknown problem and over six percent is for suspicious person and another six percent for traffic accidents. Now, some drone deployments do result in patrol units not having to be dispatched, but CVPD also says that drones have assisted
in thousands of arrests. And I'm really not sure if having a drone following someone around is the best thing for a fifty one to fifty psych evaluation. The presence of a police officer doesn't always make the situations better either, but I don't see having a drone be a really calming presence if you think someone needs mental help. Funding a whole fleet of heavy duty surveillance drones and paying
dedicated operators costs money. Now it's unclear to me how many drones to Levista PD currently has, and on their website they list ten different drone models currently being in their fleet, most of them really expensive DGI drones like the DGI Matrix, the DGI Inspire, the DGA Phantom, the dj Maverick, as well as drones from a few other random companies. But nevertheless, Chief Kennedy is very grateful for their local Police Foundation for heading up the funding for
their DFR drone first Responder program. Let's hear from her.
I don't know if anyone here.
Is in law enforcement, but many agencies use drums and there are all different types of drones that are available. I call them reactive drums or ones that are like the tactical drums that you can use to go in on a hostage situation or a missing person, to check in the.
Canyon areas, or you know, interior drones. We have drunes of grow underneath.
Beds, go inside addicts, all types of different drones, and many organizations have drones like that, but a DFR drone is very unique and different because these drones are flying as you can imagine, eighteen thousand missions. It puts a lot of wear and tear on them. But that is one of the biggest challenges beyond the that of funding.
So we don't have huge budgets that are abouted for drone programs, and so we've had to be very, very creative in our police department, and we were very blessed to have a police Foundation that has taken on the responsibility to help us really start our drone program and continue going forward. So funding is always going to be a challenge and dependent upon.
The drone that you use. There are some drones that you can't get any as.
You can't use for assets seizure funding, nor can you get grants for because sometimes when it comes to foreign may drones there are many challenges as well. So you have to think of that and then we deal with legislation. Right now, that's the new challenge that we all have. We have to bite some battles. Like I said, I'm agnostic. I want to use what's the best drum out there and protect the information and we do that with encrypted
software programs that are on private servers. But you'll see that there's a lot of discussion about drones and what drones.
We should use right now.
We'll get back to the chief's offhanded mention of legal battles in a bit here. But Chula Vista's budgetary situation may not be as dire as the chief makes it out to be. On top of their current fifty five
million dollar operating budget. Back in twenty twenty, the Loprenza newspaper revealed that departments in San Diego County had secretly been getting hundreds of millions of dollars in high tech police equipment including armored vehicles, facial recognition and phone breaking software, license plate readers, drones, ria gear, among other miscellaneous technology as a part of a DHS grant program due to
their close proximity to the US Mexico border. Chula Vista was one such department, and as of twenty twenty, so four years ago, they had already received over one million dollars in grant funds from this DHS program, titled the
quote Urban Area Security Initiative. Considering Chief kend these budgetary concerns, drones actually have a lot of upsides financially, as they are often a lot cheaper than alternative surveillance methods, as well as being relatively easy to deploy remotely, either with a joystick or just by clicking a point on a
map from a comfy office building. Issues around this ease of use was pointed out by Dave Moss, the director of investigations for the privacy rights group the Electronic Frontier Foundation, who was quoted in the MIT article saying, quote, up until the last like five to ten years, there was this unspoken check and balance on law enforcement power money. You cannot have a police officer standing on every corner
of every street. You can't have a helicopter flying twenty four seven because of fuel and insurance is really expensive. But with all these new technologies, we don't have that check and balance anymore. That's just going to result in more people being pulled through the criminal justice system. Unquote.
My officers constantly are on the air. Now, is you as more available in US? One available because it's getting them more information. Think about the fact that you can look at your cell phone. I could be anywhere in the world and I can look at kit lets me know whenever there's.
A drone flock, and I can walk.
I can have visual awareness, aial overlay of what's happening in my community, no matter.
Where I am.
Advancements in technology are leading to further normalization of police surveillance. Ten years ago, would people react to news of a twenty four hour police drone program the same way they would now? What was once the threat of Big Brother has since become a very sought after, unfetishized nanny state.
In the v for Veneta graphic novel, anarchist writer Alan Moore imagined a fascist Britain characterized by surveillance cameras around every corner, and now cities around the country are setting up their own street mounted cameras linked to private security cameras and ring door cameras to create a network of life coverage around a whole city which is instantly accessible
to police. The more widespread consumer adoption of new technologies like small camera mounted drones and doorbell cameras, the more acceptable it seems for police to add to such technology to their arsenal of surveillance tools. It almost becomes expected to Levis Tipdi has routinely declined to answer why their drones are always recording, both to and from the scene, and the department has put in a lot of effort into managing the backlash against their expanding drone program.
And I'll tell you one thing.
Even some of the after this, they were very concerned about drones in the sense of privacy.
What are you doing with these drones?
As you're responding, you're trying to gather data and information to spy on us, right, And we have had to go to a lot of detail and explaining that as our drama lifsaw is immediately it is recording because that's the information and gather for us as that drone responds, the camera is already going all three miles down the roads where the scene is and giving us vital information
as the officers are responding. But one of the criticism was, go on the way back, is your drone just going in my backyard?
What if we're smoking marijuana in our backyard? And I said, you're in California, doesn't really matter about way?
Well, let that wa go right.
But we said, okay, we gave your concern, and so what we did was we worked with the software company that we were with, and they created an automatic so that as a drone returns, it automatically tilts to the horizon, so we're not recording anything. If another call came out, we can immediately we'll go back in it or fight map it for us and the share that information later on.
But the goal is to listen to your community as well.
Chief Kennedy's claim here is difficult to back up because CVPD have refused to show with the public any of the drone footage they routinely collect. But if we take the Chief at her word here anyway, she admits that the drone goes back to recording at street level as soon as there's another nine one one call as they record everything on the way to a scene. And the way she phrases this whole tilt feature is quite misleading
because the camera never actually stops recording. She just claims that it tilts slightly upwards in between nine one one calls, but it's still capturing footage up to three miles away the entire time it's in the air. Police in Cheulavista have flown over eighteen thousand missions with their drowns. That's
a lot of footage. When talking about the privacy concerns had by some residents of Chewulavista, Chief Kennedy really emphasized how much her and the department really care about listening to community feedback and how data transparency is so important to CVPD.
Community engagement is a si, especially in law enforcement, because there are so many challenges when it comes to misinformation that's out there, and whenever you're a part of what's deemed as a government, everyone thinks that you have some ulterior motive when you're involved with any type of technology, and so we have worked really hard to build very
strong relationships with every aspect of our community. So it was about in twenty fifteen when we started talking about the concept and the possibility of drones, and I laughed with chant and said, George Jentsen, because that's my story that I used to and I love it because I made fun off my guys. When they said that we want to fly drunes, I said, oh, come on, now, what are we in beet George jetson flying rap the cars.
And then I saw today they talked about a blind car.
So it happens, it happens, all right. And so with the community, we started having these conversations. We created a working group, and we started doing community forums. We started asking the community about what would you think if we were able to do something like this. We even went to some of the organizations that may not.
Always be so supportive of these types of groups.
We work with the ASLVIE and ask for their input on our policy. So before we ever flew the drune, we call it the krawl lolock run Base. We're still at the very end of crawl. We're not into lock yet and we've been doing it again also for five years.
So you have to make certain that you're transparent, and.
We provided all types of information that are available if you go to. All you have put in is jobs to place drums and it'll come up with us and you can look at all the things that we do, all the information that we share, the flight maps that we share. I mean, it's just super important to have those community forums.
Every year.
We do a community forum twice a year where we ask for input from our community.
Later on in the panel, Chief Kennedy said that CVPD is quote unquote extremely transparent about their flight data and quote unquote have nothing to hide relating to their use of surveillance drones, which is a curious claim considering the fact that CVPD has historically kept all drone footage hidden from the public and has fought in court to do so.
Despite the chief's emphasis on the police's commitment to transparency and the importance of listening to community feedback, even going as far as to consult the ACLU when developing their drone program, for years now, the Cheulavista Police Department has denied all FOYA and public records requests for any drone footage in response. Are Tuno Castnares, a Cheulavista resident and owner of the local bilingual newspaper Loprenza, filed a lawsuit
against the city. CVPD argued that all drone footage should be categorically exempt from the public records requests on the basis that the footage could be used for a future investigation.
Just last December, only a few weeks before Cees, the California Fourth District Court of Appeals ruled that this blanket exemption is invalid and that not all drone first responder footage could be classified as a part of uppending or ongoing criminal investigation, pointing to examples such as nine one one calls about a roaming mountain lion or a stranded motorist.
And police were not happy about this ruling. I'll talk about their reaction at the end of the episode, but controlling the narrative about the drone first responder program has been of the utmost importance to Trulavista Police, as the chief herself expressed at the panel, and we're real.
Good about telling our story.
If you don't tell your own story in law enforcement, other people will tell it for.
It and it might not be the right story.
So we've gotten a really good at sharing on our social media and through YouTube channels and everything.
Successfulies of what we're doing that is quite the claim there, to paraphrase the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Without public access to their drone footage, it makes it very difficult to assess how much privacy you have in Cheula Vista and whether police are even following their own rules about when and whether they record sensitive places like people's homes, backyards, or
public protests. And that's why this recent ruling and the legal precedent it sets is a huge win for actual transparency and marks the first step towards the public finally getting a look at how these drones are being used in Scheula Vista. With drone first Responder programs is spreading to police departments across the country modeled after the one
in Chula Vesta. Combined with the increasing presence of stationary street level cameras, the ability for police to be watching everywhere without the need for on the ground officers creates what the EFF refers to as quote, a fundamental change in strategy, with police responding to a much much larger number of situations with drones, resulting in pervasive, if not persistent,
surveillance of communities unquote. Speaking of persistent surveillance. Near the end of the panel, The Chief announced that to Lavesta, PD is planning to expand their ten hour a day drone first responder program to a constant twenty four hour
a day drone surveillance program. More than doubling the department's capacity to have eyes in the sky would mean a lot more work hours for drone operators, as well as a large increase in the amount of video files being stored indefinitely, but Chief Kennedy claimed that they're looking into offsetting costs by replacing some of the drone piloting team with AI assisted piloting and autonomous devices.
You've clearly been the leader with thrones's first responder technology.
Looking forward, what is the future hold for department?
I assume you're spending a lot of time telling others about the program edition using drones, but beyond that, what's up.
Well, my hope is that we'll be moving towards twenty four hour operations. Right now, we're from sunrise to sunset, we go till close to ten o'clock at night, which goes a little bit beyond that.
And then one of the challenges, and I.
Know you're only getting like a little piece of the information about exactly how we're doing this, but from the four different locations that we fly on each of the rooftops, we have what's called the piloting command, and that piloting command is contracted through a company and we and they just have visual awareness of the sky and they work in coordination with our drone pilot inside our operations center.
But that's a huge expense for us to pay lead for each site right now with the operations that we have to pay about one hundred thousand dollars per year, So that's four hundred thousand dollars for four locations beyond all the other processociating and so if you get expense and my hope is that and we keep hearing about you've see some of the testing and we've been testing
it as well in our area. Are what's called drone in the box or there's some of the systems that are out there right now that organizations are using that are autonomous, and so we're getting there, but we're not quite there because it's very different when you're dealing with flying over people and you're flying into areas where the drone was to drop out the sky and harm people in our community. That could create tremendous challenges for us, so we're very As I mentioned the crawl phase, So.
To explain how these AI autonomous drones would work, It's essentially this box the size of a truck bed that can either be mounted in like a police pickup truck or be stored on various rooftops around the city, and someone just needs to point at a place on a map and the drone will fly in pilot itself around obstacles and basically circle around an area to do surveillance, and you can call it back when you're done. This would require a whole bunch of drones to just be
launching and being piloted by themselves. You wouldn't have to train random police officers to become FAA licensed pilots, and you could just have the whole thing in the box like it's called drone in the box. And these are
only going to become more common and cheaper. Imagine having ten of these throw out a city, launching from like ten different rooftops, being able to fly around by themselves, constantly going around in communities, constantly going to GPS coordinates linked to the nine one one calls, creating a whole wealth of footage instantly available to police live streamed from
the air. Matt Sloane, the founder of Skyfire Consulting, a company here in Atlanta that trains law enforcement agencies on the use of drones and DFR programs, thinks that we'll start seeing autonomous deployment of police drones within the next year or two, as police budgets increase and become allocated for unmanned aerial systems. He referred to the state of
drone use by police as quote rapidly escalating. Jeu la Vista likes to market itself as a pioneer of this smart city movement, which consequently makes them able to receive a whole bunch of grant funding.
Now.
The idea of the smart city is built around having a massive amount of data to automate certain city services. So for this idea to work, there needs to be a way to collect that data, and these drones are a major part of that. The website for the city of Cheu la Vista also lists projects like electronic transportation, adaptive traffic signals in app for non emergency city services, as well as quote crime map and police dispatch modernization unquote as also being smart city initiatives.
We have what's called five nine one, and that allows my officers to hear incoming nine more one calls before dispatch even puts it into the system. They can hear what's going on there, and that is tremendously in.
Valuable to them.
We have so many different layers of technology that have really showcase the value.
Live nine one one is a new piece of software that allows patrol officers to listen to live stream to nine one one calls directly and pinpoints the location of the caller via GPS. Now, I don't even have time to get into the many reasons that this could be a bad idea, but simply put, police do not need to respond to every call that goes into nine one one, let alone be giving random cops this ability to self dispatch on their own. It just seems like that could
have many many consequences. But anyway, back to drones. According to a twenty twenty article in the newspaper Loprenza, cities in San Diego County like Chula Vista, have received equipment such as tethered drones used for stationary surveillance, poll cameras, license plate readers, and cell phone cracking technology used to circumvent passwords from the Urban Area Security Initiative DHS grant program.
A lot of these technologies have use in the Smart City Idyllic plan for data collection to automate city services. After the drone panel was over and I was walking around the show floor at CEES, I couldn't help but notice all of the smart cameras and AI image recognition systems being advertised for law enforcement applications. Software that can almost instantaneously scan through a wealth of footage and track people's movements, run facial recognition, and identify every article of clothing.
Versions of this type of software are already in US use by many police departments, and they will only get better, cheaper, and more common. In effect, what this does is remove a lot of the detective leg work. Instead of having to manually map someone's movements and track down what niche etsy shirt someone's wearing, these aisystems can now do this all automatically. To quote the MIT Tech Review article on
cvpd's DFR drone program quote. As the technology continues to spread, privacy and civil liberty groups are raising the question of what happens when drones are combined with license plate readers, networks of fixed cameras, and new real time command centers that digest and sort through video evidence, this digital dragnet could dramatically expand surveillance capabilities and lead to even more police interactions with demographics that have historically suffered from over policing. Unquote.
Pedro Rios, a human rights advocate with the American Friends Service Committee and a member of Chula Vista's Community Tech Council, was quoted in the MITA article saying, quote people in the community have no awareness of what images are captured, how the footage is retained, and who has access. It's a big red flag for a city that says it's at the forefront of the smart city movement. Unquote.
These drawns, they're revolutionizing the world. I mean people who are not taking drawn seriously right now, who will be left behind. We have flown eighteen one hundred and fifty missions. You can go on a web page, you can see the flight data. We're extremely transparent. We share all that with our community. We have no need to hide. We are in the business of saving wise and I believe drones are one of the.
Best escort folks.
If they truly have nothing to hide and are extremely transparent about the use of their camera mounted drones. I wonder why they've spent years in court fighting to keep every second of drone footage from being seen by the public. Luckily, after Chief Kennedy talked for like thirty minutes about how much they care about community engagement and how transparent they are with their flight data, I was able to ask the Chief how their commitment to transparency relates to the
recent lawsuit she just lost over hiding drone footage. And I also threw in a question about drones at protests. Let's take a listen. Yeah, a question for the chief.
So, I know you talked about the importance of listening to the community and community engagement, and I'm not sure this is the case for your department, but other departments who've kind of followed suit, for your example, have been
using drones to surveil first time in activity stuff. And I know you recently lost a court case regarding the availability of drone footage, so I'm curious about the kind of what the rationale for that footage is and how that plays into this idea of trying to be transparent with the community for how these drones are being used.
That's kind of going to be a little bit difficult for me to answer because the court case is still moving forward.
It's an active case. If you read it, we didn't lose the case.
It was recommended to go to a lower core to go back for some clarification under three categories.
Now this is either a straight upply or a huge cope and a gross mischaracterization. But more on that in a sec I think.
It's really important.
As I mentioned, there are ethics involved in the ethical responsibility that you have as a law enforcement agency is super important. So how you utilize your drones and how you do outrage with your community is fundamentally important. And so we don't use our drones for if there was a protest, We would not use our drones if there was if it turned into a riot.
So if people.
Were out there and they have the ability to to speak freely to share their concerns, and if it's in an opposition, our goal is to make sure that we keep it safe for all parties involved on either side.
So my hope is that other people look.
At it the same way that we do, and hopefully I've been able to answer it. As much as I believe me, I'm dying to give you more than I can't.
Okay, thank you for those questions.
Folks were out of time. Maybe there could be questions after the session.
So yeah, there were no more questions after mine. I kind of shut down that possibility anyway.
Okay.
So, first of all, the line between a protest and a riot is meaningless. Police can declare riot for any reason they see fit, including people being in a road marching. I've seen this happen dozens of times, nearly hundreds of times actually, So just moving on from that immediately, let's go back to the court case. The city of true Liavista did lose the argument that they were trying to make.
They did lose the case. The Fourth District Court of Appeals ruled that claiming exemption from the Public Records Act was unlawful and sent the case back to trial court to hammer the details of how much footage is subject to public disclosure and figure out a process for standardizing the release of the footage.
Now.
The same day I attended this panel in Las Vegas, January ninth, the city of Chula Vista requested an appeal to the California Supreme Court to prevent the release of their aerial video footage. There is a sixty day waiting period where the High Court will decide whether or not to take the case, and if they decline finally, it will go back to trial court to decide on the process of how selected drone footage shall be made publicly available.
The police are now currently claiming that making DFR footage adhere to the Public Records Act would violate the privacy of Chula Vista residents captured in the videos, which perhaps demonstrates that the aerial videos should have never been captured in the first place. I'm going to read a press release from the city's communication manager. Quote, the city declined to provide the copies because doing so might have violated
individual privacy rights. The city would have to manually review and redact every video recording to protect information considered personal, such as the images of faces, license plates, backyards, and more. Unquote, So the city is both trying to argue that having to manually review each requested file to determine if the video in question is related to a pending investigation, as well as redacting personal information captured on camera, would be
way too costly and time consuming. City officials claim that reviewing and redacting videos from one month to obscure faces, license plates, and backyards would take a full time employee around two hundred and thirty days. I'm going to read
a little bit more from the city's recent statement. Quote, while the city takes very seriously obligation to provide the public access to public records, the city is concerned that the Court of Appeal's opinion may compromise significant privacy concerns of members of the public in this case or in
future requests. Unquote. Somehow, the city is missing the point that this is the very reason the drone footage is being requested to learn the actual nature of this highly influential drone first responder program that's being adopted across the country.
If the existence of this footage is such a massive privacy violation, that implies that the recording of said footage itself implicitly violates people's privacy, and the harder police fight to hide their sweeping collection of aerial footage, all the more suspicious this entire program seems.
So.
That is what I have to say about Chula Vista's drone first Responder program. In about a month and a half, the Supreme Court of California will make their decision on
whether or not they're going to hear this case. If they decline, then the precedent will be set statewide against this exemption of the Public Records Act by hiding drone footage, so that will be really cool, and then hopefully within the next year, we'll finally be able to see what some of this footage actually looks like, how good their cameras are, how much they can zoom in, all of the details of how much of the city they're capturing, all this kind of stuff, how often the drones are
in the air, all of those types of things that it will be easier to highlight once we can actually take a look at the footage. And I assume that going through and releasing requested files for one month will probably end up not taking two hundred and thirty days. But I do know how the police love to love to stretch out these public records requests for as long
as they can. As the request that this lawsuit stems from, it's all the way back to April of twenty twenty one, so hopefully, hopefully more than three years later, we'll finally get a look. Special thanks to Laprenze for starting this lawsuit and doing all of the hard work to actually
force the police to be transparent. And if you want to read more, I'd recommend checking out the website to Leprenza dot org, as well as the MIT tech review piece, which provided some really really useful information to fill in the gaps between my own research. So yeah, thank you for listening to It could happen here. It certainly could happen here in terms of seeing more of these little fuckers flying around in the air. It's it could happen here.
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Yeah.
Here's a little test you can you can do, is your org currently sad that Basha a Lasad is no longer governing Syria? Because if that's the case, leave yep. And that's that's a lot of orgs that that's not me. Yeah, that takes most of them right now. We'll come back
to orgs in a bit. But what I'll say about orgs is that, Okay, if you know an organization in your area that you like and you think does good work and most importantly spends their time actually doing work instead of either in fighting or talking about doing work, you join them.
It will be good.
But the important thing about organizations and is something we'll come back to you later. The important thing about organizations is they have a lot of people. Yeah, And the thing that makes organizing work is people. It's not organizations. It's not even necessarily ideological labels. It's there being a bunch of people who you can use and who want to do things.
Yeah.
But something I realized that the more I had these conversations, right, you know, I'm having them with friends, I'm having them with strangers, I'm having them with other organizers. And the more I had these conversations, the more I realize something sort of startling you. The person listening to this almost certainly already knows how to organize, but you don't know that that's called organizing.
Yeah, that's a very good point.
I have encountered some of the most stunning or I mean organizing that like I can't discuss the specifics of, but like some of the best organizing I've ever encountered. I have ran into you in the last three weeks from people who don't think that they're organizers and started talking to me about their stuff. I was like, what, Like, people are winning victories that like the like hardcore committed
organizers haven't been able to do in like thirty years. Yeah, and it's just by random people who don't think they know how to do anything.
Yeah, can I tell a little organizing story. We do have time, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go for it. So I remember in like twenty eighteen, I am on a trip with a friend. We're coming back and we see the arrival of the migrant caravan, one of the migrant caravans, the one that everyone decided to have a fucking cow
about right before the twenty eighteen mid terms. And at that time, they were corraling the people of the migrant caravan in a baseball stadium in Tijuana, and like it was raining every day, So the baseball stadium ends up looking like the Battle of the Psalm after like a couple of days, right, you know, kids in leady mud and shit, and I particularly know what to do, but evidently there were people there who were hungry and thirsty, and so I get three of my friend my friends.
At this time, I was still making about half my many riding bicycles and in the other half riding so my friends and I was supposed to do a long bike ride. All of us are people who make a living riding bikes, right, we're not like expert organizers. And I was like, hey, guys, this is fucked. Which we do. We called a friend who has a company who makes waffles. Where we obtained like as many waffles as we could physically carry across the border. At that time, we weren't
able to get in. We found a way to get in. We began distributing the waffles. After that, we put something online, people sent us money, and we continued feeding people for months. None of us, I think, had a particular plan or a scheduled. Yeah, it is a bit chaotic at times, but we were able to do that, and we're with a lot of other people. Clearly wasn't just us right, but we were able to process tenths of thousands of
dollars and feed thousands of people. Be everyone there, And I've seen this countless times, especially working and organizing with well with refugees. For the most part, people are so good at organizing each other in themselves. Like when we got there with bottles of water and food. There are a thousand people that who have not had sometimes to drink for days, let alone more than a thousand, I think,
let alone something hot to eat. Right, Everybody made sure that the children and the sick people got what they needed first. Organizing is something that is very inherent in us as people. It just we don't call it that.
Yeah, And that's part of what I want to try to the myth. I want to try to puncture with this because I think, particularly in the US, but this is true in a lot of places. There's this way in which the organizer sort of TM capital T capital O, the organizer gets held up as this sort of I guess, even a particularly masculinist thing, which is it's this guy with specialized knowledge.
Yeah, and that's just not true.
This brings us something that I think is actually really important, which is what what even is organizing?
Right?
And the answer is that most organizing is you get you get a group of people together, you get them to show up to something, and then you do something right. And the thing about this, right, that's something all of you know how to do. If you can organize a dinner party, right, if you can get eight people to show up to a place to eat dinner, you can
do this. It is it is largely the same skill sets, and all of the skill sets that make people good organizers are skill sets that you have to develop to you know, work a job right. You know, like one of the things that comes up a lot in this which is less discussed and also kind of annoying. But you know, you have to manage it is that organizing is about people and sometimes you have to you know, you have to do things like you have to manage
people's egos. But like, I don't know, almost all of you work jobs or have work jobs, right, you have had to like deal with your boss being on one right, you have the skills to do this. You know how to do the interpersonal relationship stuff. It's just that you don't think about that as organizing, even though that's that's just what it is.
Yeah, that's the core of it is get people to do stuff like you do it every day.
Yeah, And the way you do this is by building relationships with people, right, And this isn't necessarily friendships, although that works. And like, one of the easiest ways to start organizing is by getting all of your friends together because you're already friends, you have pre existing relationships, and being like, Okay, motherfuckers, we gotta go do something. And actually I love that The first thing that you brought up was an admittedly sort of medium ish scale lift
version of this. But one of the very easiest things that you can do is you can just get food of some kind. You can either buy it or you can make it yourself, and you and a group of like eight people, not even eight people, you can do it with lower I know people who've done this just solo. Is that you can just go give food to people. Yeah, literally it was this morning.
So I'm tired.
Yesterday morning, I have some mine house neighbors, right and it was cold, and so I went out and gave them some hot breakfast, so hot coffee. It's super easy to do. If you are struggling wherever you are, maybe you're finding it hard to make friends. I know that's the thing that people often struggle, especially if you've moved to a new place or post pandemic, or you're still
concerned with Liuvede gatherings or any of those things. Like, if you start doing that, you will find other people who want to do it too, Like so many of my friends I organize with are people Like when we had the end of Title forty two and people were in between the fences that a lot of the people who I organize with now or who helped people with now,
I didn't know. I just showed up with a giant sider generator that I happened to have and some stuff that we had to whip around a call zone for and like, people who care about the same things as you are generally cool and it's a good way to make friends, and then you can go on from there.
Yeah, and there's a second compounding thing here too, which is that you know, feeding people it's a way to build relationships with people. And also it's a really good way for people to get to know you in general and know that you are someone who will help them with things. Yeah, and from there, and this is a very common exception. I mean this is I literally had this conversation with one of my friends who's like an old school food not Bombs organizer. Food Nut Bombs is
a very very it's a cool organization. You can just like found a food nut Bobs chapter. They have like a couple of principles, or you can just do your own thing. And I'm pretty sure it's still like the largest anarchist project in the world. Yeah, because all it takes is you and like three other people and you just go feed people. But the thing is from doing that, right, if there's other things that you're concerned about, people will bring you their problems and you can help them doing it.
And this is a very good way to get into other kinds of organizing because suddenly, once you start building these relationships, everything sort of cycles and cycles, and you know, you get involved in more and more things. Yeah, and that's kind of a that's kind of a late stage thing that we're sort of jumping to a bit. But I want to go back to the beginnings of how so, how do you get a group of people together to
do a thing? And the answer is you kind of already know how to because you you, presumably at some point in your life, have like organized a group of friends to go do something, right, Like I've gotten a group of people together to go accomplish a task.
Yeah, and it could literally be anything, right like, yeah, if you've got some people to go to a bar, you have the skills.
One way I've been thinking about it recently and in my project is putting is thinking about it as like putting together a heist crew.
And Okay, I could vouch for this, right.
The feeling of walking up to eight people and telling them individually, I'm putting together a team and I want you it is. It feels you can just do it. There is nothing stopping you. Nothing in the world can stop you from just walking up to your friend and going, I'm putting together a team. And it feels exactly as good as you think it would from a ice movie.
It rules.
It's so fun, amazing.
Yeah, and and but this gets into also what kinds of people you want to do right, because obviously you know there's two vectors of this. There's on the one hand, you have the aspect of okay, who do you know, right, And a lot of organizing is just about, here is a problem, and I know someone who has some sort of skill or resource that can that can help deal with it, and you put people in touch with each other,
and that's organizing. That's so much organizing is literally just hey, like I have like a broken part of my car. I know someone who's like a car mechanic, right, and you put them in touch and you have successfully organized people, and you have built relationships, and you have made all of the sort of social web that creates organizing, you've
made it stronger. Yeah, it also just feels good because you know and that that's an auxiliary benefit to all of this is that it's a great It's a great way to sort of break break the isolation we're all under.
Yeah, I think the best solution for despair is I'm thinking of a quotation here something that the busy bee have no time for despair. But the thing that makes me feel better about the world is that I have seen that people can fix massive problems with very few resources by just showing up. And like, I think, organizing is what gives me, what allows me to enter this period of time that we're entering into with a with a great deal more hope than I otherwise would have done.
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So I want to I want to return to my highest creer if. I don't know if you're a D and D person, the other way you can think about this is you're putting to either like a Dungeons and Dragons party or like an RPG party. And the way you need to think about this is Okay, so you've picked a thing that you want to do.
Right.
You see, you've seen something in the world that is bad and you figure it. You go, okay, I can do this thing to solve it. And maybe and maybe that's you know, it's literally something as simple as feeding people. Maybe that's you know, I want to start. I want to start doing tenants organizing. I want to start because my rent is too high, right, people are getting evicted. I want to start doing like immigration defense.
Yeah.
And from there you make a list and that list is you know what you're interested in doing, and you try to match what things need to be done with people you know who have those skills. Yeah, and this is you know this, this is this is where you release get into the higst things, right, because everyone has their sort of like highst role. Now, obviously, part of this that you want is you want to create sort
of balanced teams, right. You want people who have overlapping strengths, so you don't just have only one person who can do a thing. And part of the way to successful organization works over time. And I mean just how successful organizing works is that eventually you are trying to organize yourself out of a job, which is to say, you want your organization to function such that if you're not able to do it, you know, or just you're gone, or you cycle onto a next thing, or you know,
any any number of things that can happen. You want the organization to still be able to keep working without you, and you want you want you're trying to get people to be able to replace you as the person who's
like organizing the thing, right. Yeah, And at this point we can start talking about the kinds of skills that people need for organizing, and a lot of people and this is unbelievably common when I talk to people, and like especially women and especially like a lot of non binary people and trans people particularly have this is that
people don't believe that they have any skills. And then you talk to them for five seconds and they're like, well, I'm good at carrying heavy objects, right, I'm good with kids, which is a huge one. We'll get you in a second, right, Or like, I don't know, I have a call. That's a huge skill. There are so many different skills that are so useful for so many things. I'm just gonna go over lots of things that are actually really useful to get to get people a sense of like the
kinds of things that there are. There are massive roles for so one of the most important ones, and this is something you can you deliberately look for. You know, this is this is one of the things you do at the beginning of any union organizing campaign. Someone who's good at talking to other people and making friends. That is a staggeringly useful person because again, most most organizing
is just talking to people and building relationships. And you know, one of the things you do when you're when you're doing your sort of they call it power mapping, but when when you when you're figuring out how you're going to organize a workplace is you find the person who everyone likes and talks to and respects, and you talk to that person because that person can you know, can sort of like organize people down the chain because they
have they have their relationships already and also they're good they'll be good at, you know, talking to new people and and spreading your organization that way. And so, like, you know, if you're just someone who's social or and this is also very useful if you have a friend who is very social, because I know a lot of us are oporary social. But you probably have a friend that you're thinking of right now who is very good at conversations that is charming and is good at making friendships.
That person unbelievably useful, incredibly useful and compelling skill.
Yeah.
There are also things like research people who are good at and I think people are much better at research than they think to take like a ten a's organizing example. Right, one of the common things you have to do is find out stuff about a landlord, right, Yeah, and there's the higher difficulty version of that, which isn't that hard. Also, I want to mention this, but like going to a courthouse and finding records about who owns property companies that
high it's not that hard. It's like you could just do it, right, It's not as hard as you think it is from someone saying it. But there's also even just easier things than that, right, that all of you probably already know how to do, which is just looking at someone's social media profiles and finding out information about them. Yeah, and this is very useful, yeah, for like union campaign bosses.
If you've ever been a person who uses dating apps, especially if you're a woman, Yeah, yeah, then you know how to ocin. Actually maybe you don't credit yourself with that skill, but one hundred percent that like, you've developed that skill to keep yourself safe and you can use it for good.
Do you want to explain what ocenter is?
And yes? How that how that process works?
Yeah?
Sure?
So open source intelligence is it's an acreum doesn't really need to exist. It's gathering information of open sources, things that are openly accessible, right as opposed to like humint, which is like being a spy, or singint, which is capturing signals. Open source information is you're creeping someone's Instagram, creeping their Facebook, looking at the weird fucking shit that they put on good Reads.
Right.
All the data that is out there, largely on the Internet, about us. A lot of people put a lot of
information on the Internet, and it's very easy. And I would imagine that if you're under fifty and maybe if you're over fifty two, like you just know how to do this because it's what you do anyway you want to find out about someone, And especially if you are a person who goes on dates with people who you haven't met before and haven't been introduced to by a mutual friend, but you meet on the internet, you probably already do this to keep yourself safe.
Yeah, and this is something that's very useful for I mean, there's so many use cases for this, right There's you know, there's the very obvious ones where you're dealing with the local Nazi and you're trying to organize around like running them out. People say from them and you can find information about them. But I mean, it's useful for cops who are beating people. Is useful for like politicians particularly, It can be very useful for it's useful for landlords.
This happens all the time. It can be very very useful for bosses and union campaigns. Unions have like teams of researchers usually to like do this kind of stuff. But the thing is also and this is something I don't think people understand. Those guys, like the people they're hiring to be researchers are just you, but they got a job being a researcher for a union. Like they
have the same skills as you. They know how to like Google stuff, and they know how to look through people's like data profiles and like look through their their facebooks and their Instagrams and like A big one, A big one that that the rich people especially do not think about, is like cash app and venmo oh venop because yeah, yeah, because because people's peoples trying, people just leave public transactions out there like that. That's how they
got what's his name, the congressional magates. Can I legally call him the congressional pedophile? I guess they call him the accused pedophile?
Yeah, yeah, the man credibly accused of sleeping with an underage woman lots of times, you know.
And one of the ways they found that was that and also like paying paying for that right, yes, which is which is rape. By the way, I want to be very clear about that, like, yeah, having sex with someone who is underage is rape.
It is always rape, you know.
And the way people found that was that they just looked through like his cash app history and they found all of these money transfers to people. You know, this is all very very simple stuff. That's that's very very useful organizing wise, that you already know.
How to do.
Yeah.
Pinterest is another absolute back to people. Yeah, so much people on a pinning that they be pinning.
You know, if if you're hearing some of these things and you think that you can figure out how to do this. That's also a huge skill. Finding people who are willing to learn things and willing to learn new skills is a huge benefit to organizers because you know this, this gives you, Like, this gives you a flexible person, right, it gives it gives you someone you can like flex into into any of a bunch of roles that you need. And also can you know, pick up skills to learn things.
Having a car, being able to drive, and I know a lot of you don't do this, but if you do do this, this is you immediately, even if you literally cannot contribute anything else to a project. Being able to just drive a bunch of water to a place, oh yeah, huge, staggeringly useful.
The amount of things that people can't access because they can't get there, it's vast, especially when I when I talk to migrants, right, have recently arrived in the US. They don't have a US cell phone, they can't uber.
Yeah.
Oftentimes nowadays you can't even pay for mass transit with cash. You have to have a special card and then you have to get to the place to get the card. Right. The problems you can solve by being able to drive someone five miles are enormous, especially in the US where everything is designed around everyone owning a motor car at all times.
Yep.
Yeah, And like transport based skills are also very useful. I mean, if you hike a lot, that's a very very useful skill. There's a lot of sort of mutual aid projects. There's a lot of you know, I mean even things like setting up summer camps is the thing that like leftist groups do right, and being able to hike very good for that. It's good for things like wilderness rescue. There's a lot of you know, the jams, like the work you do that has to do with
like going in helping migrants. Like being able to hike is staggeringly useful skill.
Yeah, yeah, it's very like, it's useful, it's important. It's okay if that's not something you can physically do or you know that that works for the way you like to live your life. Like another thing I was thinking of which can be mass important and people don't realize is if you know how to take off a tail light and replace the bulb in it. Yes, Like we're entering a time when people with DAKA, people with TPS.
People who are undocumented, people are on temporary migration statuses are going to be definitely afraid of any interaction with law enforcement. If you can change the bulb on someone's tail light or their turn signal indicators of US in the UK, then you can meaningfully protect that person in a really important way. And it can literally take ten minutes.
And this is something that you can scale up depending on how much skill you have. Right, there's even just very basic auto maintenance stuff is very useful for stuff like this. But you know, like if you're a carpenter, right, if you're an electrician, you do some kind of trade work, right, you do plumbing, right, That is the thing that is massively useful to a lot of people. There's a lot of other kind of just skills that you have from
your job that can be very useful. I mean, having someone to manage spreadsheet, oh yeah, yeah, is staggeringly useful. And another one that I think people don't understand that they really have, but like being able to set up a meeting and like having a thing that lets you be like, okay, here's when everyone is free. Like you probably have to do this for your job or just for you know, trying to get your friends to go even just like be on a call together or like
go have food or like just do anything. That is what literally, genuinely one of the most important skills you can possibly have as an organizer is the ability to just sort of like go talk to people and be like, hey, can you show up to this thing here?
Yeah?
And that is that is so much of just what organizing is. Can you be here at this time? And then trying to figure out a time.
Yeah.
So we're going to close out this sort of skill section with some I think just sort of like domestic ese skills that I don't think people realize are super useful. If you have a button maker, you are instantly the same most useful person in any organization.
I love that.
Yeah, well, you could obtain a button maker. They're very easy to use. But if you have one or you know the person who has the button maker, and suddenly you can just crank out buttons for every single event they rule. Everyone loves them. It helps, It helps me enormously. It's awesome.
That's a badge for those us in the Commonwealth. Also, if you have a sewing machine, Yeah, I was about to mention that, yeah, yeah, you're a hero.
Yeah.
One of my friends recently made me a little patch and it's really cool and I like it and putting all my stuff. But if you can sew, like, that's a skill that I do not have. And it's so great when people can fix stuff for someone or you know, make stuff fit someone. You know, if you're a person who finds it hard to get clothes that you like to wear that make you feel good and someone one
of my friends could do that. And one of my friends was making clothes for another friend for like a renaissance fair, and like it was the nicest thing I've seen someone do for someone else in a very long time. It really made her like, yeah, feel like nice and cared for. And like you might think that like this is just a weird little thing that you like to do with your sewing machine, but you can meaningfully really make someone feel cared for using that.
Yeah, And that's a huge part of what organizing is right, and and that that goes into one of the things that is also an appreciable skill that's very useful, is I mean just like being nice to people, being kind to people, and having people around who are good at like keeping groups together. Yeah, and that's its own distinct kind of person is someone who can you know, keep all of the people who are involved in a thing enjoying being around each other. That's that's that's a kind
of person who's very valuable. And it's something that you can look for, you know. And if that's not you, like you can there's something you can you know, find in your friends. You can find in the sort of the people around you.
Yeah, definitely.
There's also something that I think you can tell when an organization is collapsing, because this is like the first thing with the quality drops drawing and graphic design are very very useful because a big part of what you do organizing is like you make a flyer and you put a flyer on a bunch of telephone poles to
tell people that there's a thing happening. Yea, and yeah, you know, and this is also something you know later on you might be making a social media presence, but just having good artists and having good graphic design people is enormously useful for this kind of stuff. Yeah, And along this line, these things like making music and there's a bunch of different ways this can go this can be an immediate thing where you know, like you have people on a picket line, right and everyone's singing songs
and this is great. We love this also, and this is another thing that you can be thinking about in terms of what skills you have and what things you can create benefit shows. This has been a huge part of a lot of how some of the Union stuff up here has been getting funded is by just having
like punk benefit shows. And if that's the thing that you can do, well, you know, people in bands, you know people who make music, you know people who just make stuff who are willing to contribute it to the cause, that's great.
I remember one of we had one night last September so cold. We were in the desert and I'm like a thousand people, right, and we were at that point we were really struggling to feed everyone, even you know, because there was so few of us. But my friend bought out like their guitar and some bongo drums they had, and I think I had my harmonica in my truck,
and like we were sitting around with these. We had some seek guys, had some Weiga folks come from China, and then some Kourdish people and they were all displaying their different music and it was so nice like that, taking people out of a shitty situation for a moment with music. Again, like, don't underestimate how important that it. Don't feel like if you have that skill, it's not a useful one.
No, And this is something I've been starting to say more and more. If you need a three brained way to say this to someone who like is is like a curmudgety marksist who hates fun. Moral is it terrain of struggle that this is. There's a reason why morale is one of the most important factors of military campaigns. You can't get people to do things if they're too
depressed to do it. Yeah, And being able to raise people's morale, it's it's this massive if you want again, want to go into technical language, is a massive force multiplayer right, It makes everyone you have enormously more effective, the better they feel about themselves and the better they feel about the situation they're in. And things like music, things like art, I mean things like pulling pranks.
This thing, yeah, if you were, if.
You were a good practical jokester, this is a staggeringly useful skill. Both like in terms of you know, you need to be careful about whether you're you're playing your pranks on like other people in the org. But like you know, if you know how to just like pull pranks, this is a really really useful thing in like union campaigns, tenants organizing. There are a lot of people who you can prank and it's very funny and it lowers their morale and it raises your morale.
Yeah, and I can bet to you music as are like like morale is a terrain of struggle. Like the other memory I have last year of playing guitars is in Rajava, being inside at night because everyone was getting drone struck all the time and it was dangerous to be driving around, sitting around with some ZD friends and like we spent all night playing the ood, which is like a it's like a guitar with a gord on the bottom of it. To describe it, like it's a
string instrument. It's a string instrument, is what it is. And like that made everyone so happy. We had such a nice evening. Everyone was able to like get through
it's a relatively difficult thing. Like, you know, it sucks that people are being killed and just for driving around are existing, and they're bombing all this c really infrastructure, and the power keeps going out and all these things, right, like, but there's a reason that those people have kept ood around after fifteen thirteen years of war, and it's because it is important, and so don't overlook that.
And you know, and resisting fear is in a huge aspect of this, right, A lot of the ways that people like a lot of the ways that you demobilize people. This is, this is why regimes like this spend a lot of effort trying to make people afraid. He is that it makes it harder for you to act. And things that you know, the things that make you less afraid, even if they sort of seem silly, are very very important.
And you know, on sort of this note, one of the things that you know, as you've assembled your group of people, right, one of the things that that that's important to be able to sort of have a grasp on is that you can't just do organizing by having it only be the capital, the serious thing, the captialty organizing thing all the time. Your organization will not hold together. There has to be actual like bonds formed between you
and the people you're organizing. With and the people you're trying to help.
I don't want to call out any organization in particular, there is an organization that perceives organizing to exist solely in the realm of wearing a high based vest and carrying a clipboard and getting people to write their email addresses down and then telling them to attend things. And like maybe there are several organizations like that.
I don't know.
I've just I've perceived one locally. If you don't have those bonds that like those interpersonal relationships, like these things won't hang together. Like yeah, So many of my happiest organizing memories, like again going down James's memory Lane, I guess I have a memory of like Christmas Eve last year, twenty twenty three, me and my friends have been out. I know some of them listen because some of them have come across from different states to help us at
Christmas Holidays, which is nice. And it was cold, and we had been feeding people all day, and then we'd heard some people in another location that we'd gone to find, and then we got to the end of the day and like, rather than just going home, I had a bunch of we had some MRIs left the refugee emory
sort of vegan. Lots of us are vegan, so we were like, we're not going to find any other vegan food in the middle of nowhere out here, so we'll set around eating the little vegan MREs and like just talking and like sharing some thoughts and things we experience over the last months of doing this, And like, it's those moments that make you're organizing groups so much stronger.
No one's telling anyone to do anything, you know, there's genuine bonds and that the love and friendship we build up between each other doing things that are very important. Don't overlook the value of those because it's extremely valuable.
And this is something that I think you can understand in your own life pretty easily, where Okay, if a random person on the street walks up to you and tells you to go do something, are you going to do it?
It's like no, why? No?
Probably not, Like I don't know, Maybe it's something like really sort of, hey, there's children in a burning building. We're going to run in and grab them, but like the odds are no, you're going to ignore them. But if your friend goes and tells you to do the same thing, and you know you've been friends with them for a long time and you really care about them, the odds of you doing it are much much higher.
And that's that's all organizing is. It's finding ways to You have a thing to do, and you go talk to people and you ask if they want to help you do it. Yeah, And the stronger your relationships are, the more lucky that is to happen. And that's why it's very important to do things like you know, just
like having potlucks, like bringing snacks to meetings. Oh yeah, and like you know, even if you're doing a potlucks, it's good to you know, you do like one capital capital T organizing thing, right, you get like a little bit of work done, but mostly everyone's just sort of relaxing and eating chili or whatever.
Yeah, if you're a baker, you know you can bay people. It's a wonderful thing to shut god.
Yes.
Yeah.
And just knowing how to cook. I realized I forgot to mention this one. Knowing how to cook is a staggeringly useful skill and it's useful in literally every literally any kind of organizing you can possibly be.
And it is a thing.
It is a skill that is useful in like it's useful in war zones. It's useful like literally, no matter what organization you are in, if you can cook for people, oh yeah, and you don't even and you don't have to be like a good cook. It's just like you can show up with food that you have made. You have instantly made this whole thing more successful.
Yeah, definitely, Like I've had some wonderful meals in water and and I've deeply appreciated those people. More broadly though, those ties like the way we organize without the state.
The reason I believe that that is the way we should organize and the way we will continue to organize in a way that we can make the state irrelevant is because we understand each other as people and care about each other as people, and then we approach our organizing holistically, right with everyone in it, knowing this person is good at this, but they're struggling with this right now, and I care about them, so I'm not going to
make them do that right now. That is how we can build sustainable communities in a way that state cannot and in a way that capitalism cannot. Right, because fucking hurts, rent a car doesn't care or know about its employees in a way that we who organize with people and care and I love one anob do and like that's why our organizations will always be stronger than those created by capitalism of the state.
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So I want to wrap things up by doing a couple of doing a few things. I want to talk about some kind of basic organizing things that you're going to have to do that are not very difficult but are extremely important. And second, I want to talk a bit about how we did the first organizing project that I ever was involved in, which was tenants organizing, Because it's really not that hard, right, if you just go
do the thing, it will happen. Yeah, and suddenly it ceases to be this like, oh, this domain of expert knowledge and there's like, oh, this is a really difficult thing. If you just I don't know, you go give food to someone and suddenly you've done that and it's happened.
So there are things that are important to like basic organizing stuff, knowing how to book rooms from like churches, from libraries, from whatever meeting spaces, and also knowing how to book rooms in places that like accommodate disabilities is a huge thing because a lot of people book meetings in places are a wheelchair accessible and it's a fucking fiasco. And you can avoid that very easily, but you have to put a little tiny bit of work into it.
Yeah.
Literally, I reached out to a friend to book a room last night because I knew they would get at that stuff.
Yeah, you know, there's arranging people's schedules, getting people show up for stuff, things you can do to prepare if what you're doing is basically all the things we've been describing, right, getting together a bunch of people to do a thing that is technically forming an organization. Yeah, Now, how formal informat you want it to be, or just you know, maybe it's just your organizing project or whatever. There's things you usually want. You want some kind of email so
people can contact you in tandem with the email. Something that's very helpful that I think younger people tend not to think about is getting Google Voice. Yes, when Google Voice lets you set up a voicemail account so people can call you and leave phone messages. I mean, everyone should just do this because this is the way that a lot of older people communicate.
Right.
They won't send you an email, but they will leave you a voice.
Message, and it's very very useful for this. Childcare is something that's important. I did, I mean a lot is probably too strong of a word, but like I did childcare when I was organizing, and it wound up being really helpful because there's a lot of people with kids, and so you know, there's a couple of ways that this could work. One is that you know, you have
everyone bring their kids. You have like a little space, you bring them like coloring stuff, you bring them toys, you bring them games, and you just sort of watch everyone for a while. And as an organizing thing, again, if you're good with kids, that's very useful, staggeringly useful organizing skill.
Yeah.
Another way this stuff happens is, you know, everyone pulls together ten bucks and you hire a babysitter, Yeah, for a bunch of kids. And that's a very useful organizing a thing.
Yeah, I organize with people who have kids. I remember four years ago, fuck me twenty twenty, a long time ago, and also yesterday. But like we were organizing to feed and house people and we were having a big Thanksgiving dinner, and like, some of my friends have very young children and they bought them And I think it's actually really cool to do that. A like for those kids, it is normal that, like we look after people in our community.
This is what we do and ever since I've been little, this is what we did, and like it's also very nice for people. Like a lot of my friends also brought their children down to the border, especially last year when we had because there were children there anyway, right, Yeah, some of my friends who bring their children down and their kids would play with the other kids, and like it doesn't matter that some of the kids are Kurdition and some of the kids are from China and some
of them are from Columbia or whatever. Like they'll get along just fine. When they're four or five years old. They don't care. They want to kick a ball or see a Teddy Bear or something. And I think it's really good for your children to you know, you're bringing them into a world which is cruel and at times unequal, and like your kids seeing that, like we can make a difference and we can do this. I think it's one of the best educations you can give your children.
Yeah, and it's something that's good for everyone involved.
Yeah, exactly, And it's also very I think one of the things I see a lot wh people are organizing thing with refugees of the end House is like they're just people, Like you don't need to be afraid of them, Like they don't want to hurt your children. And having your children around shows that, like you have grasped they're just people, and that you feel safe and your children are safe around them. And I think that that's valuable too. You're giving both parties some dignity in that moment.
Yeah.
There are some other very basic things that I think are very important. If you've never done this before, I'm going to talk a little bit about how you run a meeting. Yeah, And you would think that this doesn't matter, and until you watch a group of one hundred people who don't know how to do this attempt to get anything done and they it just is a fiasco.
And this is even true sort of smaller groups.
Yeah, So I'm going to give you how to run a meeting one oh one, Okay, A very common way to organize meetings that people use all over the world and it's very effective. Is you have two things. You have an agenda and you have a stack. And those are like the technical terms for them. The agenda, I mean, is an agenda, right, you know what an agenda is. You put the things that you need to do on it.
And another thing that's very helpful with these is you know you're going to be operating at our time constraints because people don't have forty five hours to be in meetings, and my god, you don't want to be in a meeting for that long. Yeah, you know. Knowing how long roughly you want to talk about these things is very very useful and making sure that you're of moving the conversation through the stuff on the agenda because you have
more stuff you need to talk about. All of this again, like this all sounds very obvious, and again you know how to do it, But until you've been in a room where people have not realize they need to do this, you don't understand how I put.
On this stuff gets the pain of it not happening.
God, I have watched rooms full of like sciet these are like professional scientists, right, this is an entire room of one hundred feet of people with physics PhDs who don't know how to run a meeting, and it's a shit show. And all of this stuff could have been avoided with some very very simple things. Yes, the other thing, and this is genuinely a piece of social technology, right, it is the stack. It is very simple, right. You have one person who is the stack keeper, and whatsone
wants to talk? You have one person talking at a time, and what someone wants to talk, they raise their hand, they make some kind of signal to the stack keeper, and that person writes their name down, and so you now have a list of who gets to talk in what order. And so you go down the list and people get the say things. And again you know how to do this. This is not like a complicated thing.
But again I have watched people who collectively have like more PhDs than like I earn money in a week, Like who.
Know, I can not be able to pick this out.
You do.
I believe in you. I believe in you, dear listener, that you can do this. Yeah, there's a very common Sometimes this is one person and sometimes this is two people. A very common way to do it is to have a stack taker and then have someone who's the facilitator, and the facilitator's job is to call on the people and to try to like move the conversation forwards and
get and make sure make sure everyone's involved. And also another important part of this, and this is again something you'll know from your stupid work meetings, is you have to get people like me to shut up. Your meetings can't just be one person giving a speech. You have to cut them the fuck off and you have to get to the next person.
Yeah, and doing that courteously is a skill.
Yeah.
Yeah, And finally, on this note, there's a lot of if you want to go into the like more technical stuff. Part of the things that facilitators use and part of you know, the formal name for this is like the progressive stack, but it's just a thing that's very useful in organizing is you want to make sure everyone in a room is engaged and talking and that it's not
just three people who talk all the time. Yeah, and you know, and so the idea of the progressive stack, right is you're trying to find the most marginalized people in degrees, people who are least likely to speak, and
you're trying to get them in first. And sometimes this is literally just like hey, someone hasn't been talking in a meeting this whole time, and you can like ask them what they think about something, or asked if they have anything to say, and a lot of times they will, but they just don't feel confident enough.
To say it.
And this is this is a very very important skill for a facilitator or just even you could just do this in a meeting too, right, Like you can be the person who goes like, hey, do you have this this person have anything to contribute? And that is an enormous thing. Sometimes it can be you know, sometimes it can be a little bit awkward, but it's a very important thing because you're just losing out on people who
have really really valuable ideas and contributions and plans. And if you just let the same three people give speeches, you can't get to the stuff that's actually useful.
Yeah, definitely, if you've been a teacher or in any way what you know, probably have had you have this skill. You might not consider it a skill, but even if you've been a TA in grad school something like that, you probably know how to do this.
Yeah, so I'm gonna put all of this together briefly, and I'm going to run through basically how we started the first organizing project I ever day, which was a tenants union in Chicago.
Okay, so this is based on my memory.
It's been a long time since I did this, but my basic memory of what we did was. Okay, So one of my friends is an experienced organizer. I was like a tiny baby, right this this was my first offline organizing project ever.
Right, I had no idea what was doing.
I thought I was a guy, which like that, that's how much of a fiasco, Like little tidy baby bo who doesn't know anything this was, you know. And so my friend talked to some people that he knew, and he knew that I, you know, I was interested in getting involved in tennants organizing.
And we we like.
Went to a cafe and we sat down and we ate and we just talked about what we wanted to do, what our plans were, what things we needed to do to get this organization set up. We talked about ideological stuff, and that's actually is something that's important too, is part of organizing is getting people to think intentionally about their actions and think politically about their actions. Yeah, and that's something that's very useful. You also have to make sure
that you're not forming a book club. Like book clubs are fine, but you need to make sure you're organizing group. If you try to do a thing, has it just become a book club. But that's you know that that was something that was very useful to us. And you know,
we started making a plan. And our plan was, okay, we made a bunch of flyers and then we went out and I did this and I walked around through a bunch of streets and put them a light post or whatever, and then we put them like we hung them up in the buildings of tenants, you know, because you can just like walk up the stairs, right and you just put them on the walls. And you know, we had this flyer, this firehead information. This flyer said, okay,
we're starting a tenant's union. If you have tenant, if you have issues with your landlord, or you want to talk about tenants stuff like, come here. At this time, we had an email you can send us stuff. We had a phone number that you could call. Yeah, you know, and so okay, and so parallel to this, we like, I forget if it was a church or if it was some building, some center or something, we booked a room. We were kind of lucky in that we had like
local press people nice who we sort of knew. And this is another useful like if knowing a journalist can be a very useful skill, because one way to get a project off the ground, if you're trying to get to a bunch of people, is by finding a journalist
who is willing to cover it. Because you know, we're we're finding founding like the first tenants union in this place, right yeah, and you know, so we had media coverage and we got kind of screwed with when this event eventually came together because there was like three feet of snow that night, but people still came, like people still came in the blizzard, Like a lot of people showed
up for this. What are things that we do? We also, like, you know, we just we just started talking to people, right, We started talking to tenants about their problems. We just you know, we talked to our friends, we talked to the people they knew. We ended up talking to someone, you know, And this is the thing that just happens as it spreads by word of mouth, right, people start
contacting you. We ran into a really long time tenants organizer in the city who had a bunch of incredible stories about how our corrupt politicians got jobs by portraying the old tenets organizers, right, And like I said, the thing is, you know, another thing that happens in projects is you'll you'll sometimes you'll just you just pick up someone who's you know, has been doing this since like the sixties. Yeah, and it rules because they have a wealth of experience and they want to they want to
do stuff. We plotted out what we were going to do at our meeting.
You know, we were going to do some political education.
We were gonna have a bunch of time for people to talk about stuff, and we were gonna, you know, get get people to understand what we were doing, how they could start organizing. And then we did it, and I unfortunately don't remember much of what we talked about because I was off in another room taking care of a bunch of people's kids, which was very nice, But
I don't I don't remember what we talked about. But like that, you know, but like you all of those things, right, all of those steps from the start of you get five of your friends to go eat dinner, and you talk about what you want to do through Someone makes a flyer in like Microsoft or whatever. You make it in like PowerPoint, M that's publisher.
What's what's what's the one? I'm blinking, I haven't used it in so long? The one you make greeting cards in. I really thought.
Program and I've forgotten it is you see this to make Christmas cards? But like, you know, okay, so we made a flyer and then we walked around and put the flyers up and we made it. We made an email, you know, we got a space together, we figured out what we wanted to do, and then we did it. And you know, and there's a bunch of organizing from there, right, But like we had started a thing, and you can
do every single one of those steps. And if you can't personally do one of those steps, you can think of a person who you know, who you can bring in to help you do these things. Because organizing you already fucking know how to do it. Yeah, you just have to go out there.
And do it.
Yep.
You can have faith.
Yeah, and this has been it could happen here, go organize.
Hello and welcome to AcrAB and here I'm Andrew Sage, I run Andrews on YouTube, and I'm here with.
The voice of Garrison Davis.
Hello, Hello, Hello, and today we're going to continue our journey through Latin American anarchisms and their histories with a sort of a four for one.
Special exciting, exciting, very exciting.
We talked about Peru, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Cuba sofa, as well as the Mapuche struggle in Chile and Argentina.
And now was the time to explore what was going.
On at the top of the South American continent, the territory of the former Grand Colombia, and that is the territories of Ecuador, Colombia, Panama, and Venezuela. But if this is the first time you're hearing about Grand Columbia, let me give a quick and a brief historical context. Grand Columbia was a short lived political entity that emerged in the early nineteenth century during Latin America's struggle for independence
from Spanish colonial rule. It was formed in eighteen nineteen and it encompassed the territories, like I said, of present day Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, and Panama as well as some parts of northern Peru, western Guyana, and northwestern Brazil. The republic was envisioned by Simon Bolivar, who are dreamt of uniting the former Spanish colonies into.
A powerful federation.
They'll be able to resist foreign intervention and secure the independence. The Congress of Angostura declared the creation of Grand Columbia, with Bolivar as its first president. The public was a centralized state with a strong executive branch, so unsurprisingly, tension soon arose among the constituent regions due to their differences
in political vision, economic interests, and regional identities. Centralized governance had alienated local elites, and debates over federalism versus centralism deepened existing divisions. Plus Bolivard's increasingly autocratic rule I mean he literally tried to push for a lifetime presidency obviously sparked internal opposition, so Grand Columbia was facing external threats
from Spanish royalist forces and internal fractures. By eighteen thirty, Bolivard had to resign from the presidency, disillusioned by the failure of his vision, and the same year Grand Columbia dissolved into three separate nations. Venezuela, Ecuador, and the Republic of New Grenada, which later on split into Columbia and Panama.
Unlike the other countries of South America that we've covered, these countries had far less large scale anarchist movements, but will still take a look at what little impact anarchists did make in the past two centuries in these places. This whole series, by they wouldn't be possible without the scholarship of Anhill Capelletti, whose research I drew upon heavily for this historic review. I suggest reading his book Anarchism
in Latin America for further details. Let's first take a look at the history in Ecuador at the turn of the twentieth century. Ecuador was ruined from a liberal revolution that had just taken place in the country. The country was shifting as industrialization creeped in, the bourgeoisie on the rise, and feudal landowners were losing their grip on power. A new secular cultural wave was also beginning to take shape
as the clerical authorities began to lose their power. The workers naturally needed a voice in this process, and they found it first with the rise of the Partiro Liberal Obrero.
With the Liberal Workers' Party in nineteen oh six.
Around the same time, on New Year's Eve of nineteen oh five, the confederac Delcuador was founded in Guayaquil, a city that would become a hub for worker activity. Both organizations shared a vision rooted in social reform and work empowerment. It was also around this time that the Cuban anarchist
Miguel Albuquerque made a name from self in Ecuador. Originally, he had come seeking assistance with Cuba's independent struggle, but eventually found himself playing a key role in Ecuador's labor movement. He established the side that the e Host del Trabajo or the Society the Sons of Labor, and other anarchist groups would also begin forming, contributing to the struggles taking
place at the time. The first recorded strikes with anarchist influence took place in nineteen nineteen, where workers in the graphic arts industry organized the demand back conditions. By nineteen twenty two, Guyaquil was the epicenter of a massive general strike, shaped in part by the anarchist Nicolists, who were obviously.
Right in the thick of it.
The strike was driven by dissatisfaction among the workers, particularly among the cities, urban laborers and dark workers who were facing really poor wages, long hours, and deteriorating living conditions talors all this time. The strike culminated in a violent crackdown by government forces. Also tales all this time, with estimates jet in that hundreds of workers were killed when
the military suppressed the revolts. Most workers returned to their jobs after that, but the trolley workers continued their strike until the twenty first of November, when most of their demands were.
Mect How much like crossover was there between like revolutionaries or like you know, workers rights people or anarchists in Cuba and places like this, because I assume there was like a lot more like growing sentiment in Cuba based on how that whole situation turned out in the next like twenty thirty years, and I feel like there would be a decent, like a decent number of cross or at least like some travel between some of these other like nearby places for.
Sure, because Cuba has been gained independence much in theater than the rest of its last America neighbors, places like Mexico and Central America and Granitic Columbia and the rest of South America. They all gained the independence, and Cuba was still under the Spanish thumb and their remain under the Spanish thumb until they ended up having to struggle with the Americans as well and eventually to gain their one independence. I mean, it's all one one big pond.
I like to see the Caribbean Sea. So there would have been a lot of transfer and communication between these independent Latin America and republics and Cuba, which was still at the time of colony.
That was really interesting to see.
What when you know, these Cuban characters sort of show up in the parts and ended I've stirring up some trouble.
Totally well, and it shows just how like popular the nineteen twenties were kind of like everywhere, Like yeah, whether looking at like labor movement in the United States or like everything that you've been talking about these last few episodes about Latin American anarchism. Like always in like the nineteen twenties, there was always just like crazy shit going down consistently for sure.
Unfortunately, nineteen twenties is also the time of a lot of decline for a lot of the anarchist movements because nineteen twenties follows you know, the rise of the USSR, and a lot of people ended up abandoned in anarchism and following that sort of popularity at the time.
Well, and similarly, once we start getting into like the early thirties, I remember in the last few episodes that you've done, you see the resurgence of like right wing populism, like really hard.
Yes, we tend to see a lot of resurgences.
And like all this like revolutionary potential that's been growing the past few decades all gets like co opted or channeled into like right wing nationalism of right wing populism, and like that's a whole whole other pivot that happens, not just the more like you know, communism's statust one in like the twenties.
Do see a resurgeons. We do see resurgions in the writing populism. Yes, we also see a resurgeons in the anarchist politics. You remember, the thirties was also the.
Time of the Spanish Civil War, sure, and so in that time you had the anarchists picking up steam again, and you also had following that civil war, a lot of the anarchists from Spain spread out into a lot of the former colonies in Latin America.
I think part of that rebirth is just because of how tied anarchism and anti fascism is.
That's true.
I think inadvertently, the rise of fascism they actually give birth to the rise of more anarchists as people get involved in anti fascism because of these things are so like, you know, sister movements in many ways. I think that may be a contributing factor. That's certainly how I kind of got into this sort of stuff was through anti fascism, and and I suspect that that may have also been the case even one hundred years ago.
For sure.
For sure, I think every story needs a good villain, unfortunately, and the story of anarchism, I mean, the fascists tend to make really, really impactful antagonists.
I think. Indeed, at the same.
Time we also had an Ecuador to have these strikes going on, anarchists doing you know that thing that anarchists like to do, which is a study group. Many such cases, many such cases, many such cases. But I mean it
is an important aspect of struggles that's sort of consciousness racing. Yes, So these anarchists in particular in Guyaquille, they founded these Centro their Studio Socialists, which was a libertarian study group in Guayaquille, and then a decade later, in nineteen twenty the anarchists also established a Centro Gremial Sindicalista or the Synicalist Guild Center, which had a mission to an end liberate all the oppressed of the earth by bringing them
into a libertarian syndicate that will replace the present system and opposing all political and religious doctrines as destructive and prejudicial to the rights and aspiration of workers endcode. As in the rest of the region, their publications played a key role in spreading the ideas again early twentieth century, late nineteenth century, the anarchists were make in papers. Yeah, use papers, newspapers, newspapers.
I mean it is a bit of a blueprint for what anarchism continues to be in many ways, even with like the rise of destroyism in the in the past new past decade or so, in like popular anarchism, less newspapers, more more zines being held together by possibly one or fewer stables.
And I like to think that I also continue that tradition and you and I as well by creating this kind of totally what do you and visual content?
I am a zine enjoyer, I have I have any zines, but we also have to evolve with the times in some ways. Not everyone's going to be reading newspapers, not everyone's going to be reading booklets. Unfortunately, as much as I encourage people to do so, I do think there is value in attacking the information ecosystem that people more often use. That includes you know, podcasts, that includes your fantastic videos on YouTube, Thank you, thank you, and yeah, I agree for sure, for.
Sure, But they didn't have things like YouTube or the Internet at the time. Instead, they had, at least in Ecuador, their newspapers like El Proletario and El Cacajuerro and Bandera Roja, which were carrying these syndicalist anarchismicalist ideas to the workers across Ecuador. They also the first truly anarchist papers that hit the country were Encion and Lose. The Axion in nineteen twenty two nineteen twenty nine respectfully, but as we
were anticipating in the nineteen thirties brought some challenges. Marxist Lennis thought began to dominate leftist circles and figures like Jose Carlos Mariettegi and his general Amauta ended up wielding significant influence in the workers struggles, and by the end of the decade, anarchist groups found themselves vastly overshadowed as Marcus Lenists consolidated power through unified political parties. But despite
these shifts, anarchistman Acuador was really ever entirely extinguished. It actually continues to influence workers organizations like the Ferracio and La guayas well into modern times. But now let's make our way north to Columbia as a similar story and
foolds of anarchism taken route in here twentieth century. And this is actually a fun factor because both Eli's Recluse and Mikhail Bercunan visited Columbia recluses there for research purposes, and Bercunen wasn't an anarchist at the time, so they didn't directly contribute to the anarchist movement as far as we know, in the country.
By the nineteen tents, anarchist.
Ideas were definitely spreading, finding a home among students, artists, writers and workers. And this wasn't just idle philosophizing. They also got to work building workers societies and organizing mass actions at the May fifteenth demonstration in nineteen sixteen, which
of course met with brutal police repression. From there, the movement came momentum in nineteen twenty Port Walter because in Katahina went on strike, and by the following decade, and I guess we're the forefront of workers militancy all across the Caribbean coast, which was more connected to global struggles in the rest of Columbia and was thus a hotbed of organizing and unrest. If you know the geography of Columbia, you'd know that there's a lot of jungle and mountainous
region near the middle of the country. It's that the coast where you tend to have more of the activity and connection with the neighboring countries in the Caribbean Sea. Fun of fact, there's actually a lot of people in the English speaking Caribbean aren't aware of the fact that there are people in the Spanish speaking Caribbean who consider, you know, coastal Colombia and Coastal Venezuela to be part of the Caribbean. But as like the sort of niche
discourse you get an r slash ass Caribbean. The few Anarchistablu present in Colombia were part of nearly every major uprising, including the Baranquila Strike of nineteen ten, the labor wave that swept Cattahina, Barankuilia and Santimurri year nineteen eighteen, the first strike against the notoriously bloody United Fruit Company in nineteen eighteen, the hero Dot Railroad strike and the Artisans
and Labor strike in Bogota nineteen nineteen. The oil strikes in Baron Kabirmeha during the nineteen twenties, including one against the Tropical Oil Company in nineteen twenty seven which cost twelve hundred workers their jobs and painted the targets on the backs of the organizers because how dare you mess
with oil? And then finally there was the famous Santa Maria Banana strike of nineteen twenty eight, where workers demanded fair wages and better treatment, and the government responded at the behest of the United Fruit Company by claiming hundreds of lives after the massacre. The anarchist movement in Columbia was heavily repressed, and because of how small it was, it didn't quite pick back up. As historian Max that Lao noted, publications like Organization in Santa Marta and Via
Libre and Baranquilla disappeared at the late nineteen twenties. This crackdown on anarchists, coupled with the rise in Floyd of Bolshevik led unions, shifted the landscape, and by the nineteen thirties anarchist organizing was all but silenced in Columbia. But it's a part of Columbia that we're missing. She At one point Panama was considered part of the country, so there must been stuff happening on that little sliver of land, right, He'd be surprised if we rewind to the mid nineteenth century.
Between eighteen fifteen eighteen fifty five, Panama saw the construction of a trans Isthmus railroad, and this massive project was followed by two phases of canal construction, the first by the French between eighteen eighteen and eighteen ninety five and the second by the US from nineteen oh forty nineteen fourteen.
These projects brought tens of thousands of workers from Europe, Asia and Caribbean, effectually turned in Panama into a melting part of laborers who bought their skills, their culture and their ideas. Beijian workers, for example, that is people from Barberos. If I recall correctly, there was a time in Barbeos's history where there was some massive It was like a full quarter of the country's income was just coming from remittances from people who had had family members sending their
money from the canal project back home. And it's not just the Cribbean there was impacted, obviously, as workers from Europe and Asia also part of this project. And it's the workers from Europe and particularly Spain that brought many of the ideas of class consciousness and anarchist cynicalism that had been bruin in that region of the world. And such ideas were of course solely needed in the horrific working conditions of death and disease that marked the Panama
Canal construction project. Workers organized some successful strikes in both the French phase and the American phase of construction, both before and after Panama gain its independence from Colombia nineteen oh three. But it was just before the transition to American control over canal construction that Panama officially banned anarchists from entering the country for the anarchists that were left well.
When the Americans took over the Canal, Governor of the Canal So in general, George W. Davis actively suppressed the anarchist workers that remained. In nineteen oh seven or whatever, despite that repression, two thousand Spanish workers went on strike for better wages. In nineteen twenty four, a prominently anarchist cynicalist group founded the Sindicato Heneral Destrabbaha Daughters, which was
Panama's first central workers union. They grew to thousands of members and brought together a mix of ideologies anarchists and Marxists alike, even those who would later found the Communist Party and the Socialist Party of Panama in nineteen thirty. But on such a small sliver of land were so many people mixed in there, there was bound to be a vibrant mix of ideas. And not all of the
anarchists in Panama were of the syndicalist flair. Believe it or not, they were actually workers within Panama who aligned themselves with Max Stuner's philosophy. They had egoists and anarchist egoism interesting in Panama. Yeah, exactly. This blew my mind as well. And they don't expect to see them in such contexts.
Were they reading Sterner in Panama?
I'm not sure if they were readings Toner, I'm assuming so.
Because otherwise how would they have come to identify with his philosophy. But they did launch a paper called Eluniko in nineteen eleven.
That's what I was wondering is if instead of like widely distributings actual books, like, was there like some like Sterner influence like newspaper that people were running. Yeah, yeah, because like that makes.
Sense exactly exactly, some assuming some of the people either would have read Still abroad or they brought Still the Inn. And they were obviously inspired by it, and they were skeptical of this sort of mass movement sy Nicholas those popular at the time.
Sure many people are.
They were questioning its effectiveness as a strategy for anarchy.
Yeah, And so they were.
Focused primarily on organizing sort of smaller affiancy groups yep.
And one of those groups.
Ended up launching that paper, Elunico, to spread the ideas and obviously called itself an individualist publication.
That's so funny, that's so emblematic of where we still are with it. Oh that's good, that's good.
Yeah.
I also think that this kind of diversity of thoughts and strategy is really really beautiful, and I'm glad to see it in almost unconventional and surprise enough contexts. It's why I consider myself an anarchist without adjectives, you know, I really absolutely yeah. I think we benefit greatly from conversation between these traditions and between these strategies, and so seeing that there were more than one form of anarchism in such a small context, it's really quite inspiring.
Yeah, I am with you there.
By the way, for those listeners who may not be familiar with the anarchist egoist tradition, I know that we're ego and egoism.
Might conjure up some psychoanalytical Freudian.
Yeah, it might bring some some some sort of feelings about capitalistic individualism or like extreme selfishness and that kind of thing, kind of like screw everybody except me. But it's actually a much deeper philosophical bent to anarchist egoist
that I think everybody should give a chance. I actually recently read what is considered the first manifesto of anarchism, and it was written by this French anarchist named Anseel and Bella Garige, and he was actually an individualist anarchist, and you're actually in reading that end up seeing a lot of the influences that would later sort of develop further into anarchist individualism from the very beginning. You know, I highly recommend reading it. It's called Anarchy a Journal
of Order. It's available on the Anarchist Library. It's a surprisingly contemporary piece in my opinion, and it was translated by Sean Wilbow's another anarchist scholar who I'm really inspired by lately, and it really gets into some of the ideas that I think we've forgotten in terms of what it takes to achieve the complete liberation of all people.
So that's Anarchy a Journal of Order.
Yeah, Anarchy a Journal of Order. He ended up not published in more than two issues due to low readership. But that's what happens, I think when any such cases, many such cases, many such cases.
Yeah.
I will pull that up on the anarchas Library and give that a read myself.
Yeah, it happens when you're ahead of the times in a sense, and he actually ends up becoming at least partially relevant to the next episode I'm going to do on the Latin America Anarchism series, because he ends up making his way to Latin America at one point in his life.
In fact, he dies in Latin America, but we will get to that in time.
Finally returned to Venezuela as the late nineteenth century refugees from the Field Paris Commune arrived in Caracas, bringing with them the radical spirit of the International working Men's Association. From a few of these immigrants, small anarchist cells emerged, but they were stifled by the brutal dictatorship of Juan Vincente Gomez from eighteen ninety nine to nineteen thirty five.
So few in number.
The anarchist immigrant efforts to form mutual societies, organized strikes, and spread propaganda gained them a notoriety that put a massive bullseye on them. For Gomez's persecution, he had a midster oppression. A few sparks of anarchism did survive in the cultural fabric. Writers like Migueli Guardo Parlo portrayed anarchists as spiritual revolutionaries, lacking them to saints sounds familiar, does sound very familiar, Yes, if you know, back in the
days of Saint andrew'sm There you Go. But his novel Toto and Pueblo described anarchists as apostles of justice, which is really fire title, I must say, as they carried the flame of liberty into the streets.
But it wasn't all pros.
The early twentieth century also saw a spike in industrial strikes. In nineteen eighteen, for example, a pivotal strike involving transit workers included at least one known Italian anarchist named Vincenzo Kusati. Although defeated, the strike left a mark in the country's consciousness. Inspired by such as Strive for Freedom. Workers united through various mutual aid societies which they were disguised as religious skills,
the anarchist influence quietly spread among bakers, bricklayers, and oil workers. Truly, it was the oil boom of the nineteen twenties that reshieed Venice Whelan society, and of course continues to affect
it today. While anarchistiniclist maintained underground networks in the grown oil sector, state and corporate power proved to be too much By the mid twentieth century, after the fall of Gomez's regime, the rise of political parties like Acxio Democratica cooperted many of the workers who might have otherwise embraced anarchist syndicalism and anarchist ideals became increasingly marginalized, eclipsed by party politics and state repression between nineteen thirty six to
nineteen forty five. In fact, anarchist repression also gained a constitutional footing in the four of the Lara Law, which band strikes, associations meeting through a permission from the state, political propaganda, and basically all the usual datatorial stuff. After the Spanish Civil War and the rise of Franco more Spanish anarchist immigrants came to Venezuela.
You see, I said they would be relevant.
Yes, yes, but they didn't end up impacting Venezuela so much As immigrants, they ended up creating a mostly self contained scene, apparently through the founding of the Federacion Obrerariqunal Venezuelana in nineteen fifty eight, which was affiliated to the International Workers Association, But as I said, did make much of a splash in the port of Venezuelan population, they mostly affected other Spanish immigrants, so anarchist n neover developed
into an explicitly mass movement in Venezuela, but elements of it did persist, and the unield in pursuit of freedom were still felt even in the harshest of conditions. So looking today at the countries that composed the former Grand Columbia, I would argue that the spark of anarchism still hasn't died.
On Ecuador, uprisings continue to challenge extractive economies and demand autonomous control over renditionous territories, and some anarchist collectives are active in solidarity, providing logistical support during protests and pushing horizontal forms of organizing in the broader social struggle. After the twenty twenty one national strike in Columbia, some anarchist practices have begun to infuse movements against police brutality, privatization,
and austerity measures. Mutual aid networks have all same emerged inspired by anarchist practice to support the community's hit hardest by economic crises. In Panama, anarchism exists on the fringes, but it has the potential to provide inspiration to those who are actively confronting the liberal policies, advocating for workers'
rights and engaging in anti corporate actions. Finally, in Venezuela, economic collapse and authoritarianism of created space for anarchist ideals to spread through grassroots initiatives, mutual aid and self organized community groups have stepped in where the state has failed. Across these countries, an ideas still have potency. And really my hope is at these places continue to explore the creativity and solidarity that are necessary for liberation, that they
continue to struggle and they go further still. You know, Viva I labored that or power to all the people. Peace, Hello and welcome, take it up. And here I'm Andrew Sage. I'm also Androwism on YouTube.
And I'm here once again with Garrison Davis. Happy to be here, happy.
To have here, and we're going to continue our journey through Latin American anarchisms and their histories. We've already discussed Peru, Chile, Argentina and Brazil, Paraguay, Cuba, Douapuce Struggle, Ecuador, Columbia, Panama, and Venezuela. And so there are just a few territories left that are considered Latin America, So just before we get to Mexico and Uruguay and possibly even Quebec, I wanted to round up all the anarchist histories in the smaller states.
You're not wrong, but it still is funny, yeah, Quebec.
I mean, honestly, you could say the same for like Haiti, Guadeloupe, Martinique.
Yeah yeah, I mean there's even a lot of anarchists in Montreal today as a as a booming anarchist movement, But it still is a little funny.
Right, Yeah.
Yeah.
I actually wanted to include explorations of Haiti and in Guadelupe, Martinique in this episode, since it's you know, fairly small anarchist movements there. But I mean, I suppose I could just summarize it one time, which is that Martinique had a section of the International at one point in eighteen ninety five. There was also a branch of the International in eighteen sixty six on the island of Guadeloup, and it's very difficult to establish whether there were any anarchist
groups in Heiti. Ever, from my research there there was an appearance of socialism more broadly as part of the struggle against domination and taking place in the country. But the dictato ships of Haiti have made those kinds of movements very difficult to spring out and thrive.
Yeah, I can see that.
But today we're going to be focusing on the anarchist histories and the rest of the smaller states of Central America and the Caribbean. So we'll be covering the sparks of anarchism in Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvor, Guatemala, Dimerican Republic, and Puerto Rico. And as with previous episode,
zosis is all possible thanks to health, capitaleties. Exhaustive work titled Anarchism in Latin America, Bleming said, the scene first and foremost across the lush rainforests and turquoise seas of
Central America. Historically, there were several indigenous peoples that have called at home, and that home was violated in the early sixteenth century as Spanish conquistadors carved bloody paths through the region, replacing the ones fiber and pre colonial societies with the feuder like arrangements of the incomeendo system, which
forced indigenous peoples into labor under Spanish landowners. The colonial eras of the rise of vast plantations for cash crops like cocoa, indigo, and later coffee Inhrition a small elite, while indigenous and after descendant populations endured brutal oppression over the centuries. Fast forward to the early nineteenth century, and the wave of independence sweeping across Latin America reached Central America.
In eighteen twenty one, the region officially threw off Spanish rule, and in eighteen twenty three, Central America gained its independence from the Mexican Empire. For a fleet in moment from eighteen twenty three to eighteen thirty nine, Central America united as the Federal Republic of Central America, modeled after the US Constitution, and encompass in modern day Guatemala, Honduras, Salvador, Nicaragua,
and Costa Rica. Whe By eighteen thirty eight, the cracks in the federation would become in too large to ignore. I mean, for most of its existence, the capital of the country alternated between Guatemala City and San Southador, so
they couldn't even decide on that. Liberals and conservatives were also split on the economy, centralization versus decentralization, and the role of the Catholic Church, and Guatemala was kind of resented by the other states because it had such disproportionate influence. So political infighting and regional rivalries eventually caused the Union
to splinter. Each state went its own way. But the collapse of the federation wasn't the end of the story, as seas of resistance would sprout across the former territory of the Republic. And among those seeds with the anarchists. Let's start from Costa Rica and head north. In nearly nineteen hundreds, in Costa Rica, you had libertarian newspapers popping up all over the place as usual.
And when you say libertarian, you don't necessarily.
I mean anarchists. Yes, yeah, I refuse let them appropriate that to it. Yes, so you had names like Eleora social Eldra Bajo, and Ralucha, which were aquin the struggles of local workers and the cross continental knowledge of international discourses. But even before these publications, would you believe there was enough anarchist danger to stay up the establishment?
A very little anarchist danger is enough anarchy danger history of the establishment.
No, But to tell you how unsettled the establishment was. So you know, we're recording this a couple of weeks before Christmas.
Right, yes, this is going to come out I think right after New Year's Okay.
And I don't know if you've gone to change for Christmas before. If that's the thing that you've done, I have, I okay, I have as well. And imagine eighteen ninety two, go, it's Christmas time, you going to church, You sit down to get your little you know, he's supposed to keep the sermon short and sweet, let people get home to do what they have to do. Right, But in eighteen ninety two, Bishop Field decided to use his Christmas sermon to one against anarchists.
That that's pretty funny.
Like imagine you're just trying to go home at each a Christmas lunch and you have to listen to this guy preach against like these are radical anarchists to come into mess of the country.
They're giving out food, they're healing the sick there.
I mean to be fair, the anarchists at the time were generally a threat to the to the clerical establishment.
Sure, of course, as was our Lord and Savior Jesus age Christ Jesus and his affinity group of twelve traveling around the countryside stirring up all kinds of trouble, indeed indeed seeding revolt against the Roman Empire. We gotta stop them.
Yeah, I mean, rush, That's the whole kind of rooms I could have get into, right there, sure is. Yeah, I mean, I mean seriously, Christianity went from being a response to the Roman Empire to be in the Roman Empire, and that is like one of the biggest down creates of the millennia. Yeah.
No, it's a super successful recuperation. And that's why I do find as much as it has some problems, liberation theology, especially the version in the South, to be kind of compelling. I wouldn't consider myself a Christian necessarily, but as of like a religious sect goes, I am interested in in what liberation theology kind of does and how it tries to reradicalize forms of Christianity for sure.
For sure I have some concerns about it another strands of Christianicism, same as somebody who grows Yeah.
Same.
But of course this is not the place to digress about that toffic as we do have quite a few countries to cover.
So the cost three Ecan anarchists were not just.
Being called out by the bishops, bishops, you know, they were also struggling, you know, print eight hour workday, such as with the Baker strike in nineteen oh five, and they would also demonstrate against the assassination of anarchists educator Francisco Ferrere. They were also found the Center Day Studio Associatist Criminal, which was a collective of intellectuals and workers
who focused on study and expanded upon anarchism. At nineteen eleven, they would launched the journal Renovacion, which lasted an impressive seventy plus issues. They helped organize Costa Rica's first May Day celebration in nineteen thirteen and he resilate. As in the nineteen twenties, groups explicitly formed for libertarian action, but unfortunately the anarchist influence wouldn't be as impactful in the country heading into the mid twenty youth century, as the
country faced two dictatorships. However, the defeat of the latter in nineteen forty nine actually ushered in the most peaceful and stable political situation in all of Latin America. I suppose that might be because the democratic government that followed didn't transgress US interests. They do have a US military base in the country after all. But let me not expeculate too much.
Look who doesn't have a US military base these days?
Come on, cut them some sack.
That's right, that's right, Andrew. I thought you were pro internationalism, but here we go.
Yeah, yeah, look at this.
Look at this, this this parochio backwards regressive. You're telling me you don't want boots on the ground in your country.
Globe emoji in bio version of internationalism.
So moving on north to Nicaragua.
The spark of labor organization began to flicker in the early nineteen hundreds, but there's little evidence of any anarchists specific influence. In nineteen eighteen, the Federalsti Nicaraguenes, or the fo N, emerged and pulled together various mutual societies from across the country, from shoemakers to bakers to tailors, from
Leon to Managua. But this federation wasn't anarchists and character both conservative and liberal elites actually tried to use these workers groups with their own ends within the fo When the group of Socialista ended up emerging as a rebel force to challenge these elites and their influence in the workers' movements, but even that rebel group was a reformist in nature.
Now it is possible that libertarians from Spain and Mexico played roles in the Steve Drow strikes of nineteen nineteen in Corindo, which was Nicragu's major port city, but a caste for Shure for my research, we do know that at least one influential person was perhaps inspired by anarchism, and that was Augusto Sandino, the leader of the Sandinista rebellion against the US occupation of Nicagua. Sandino worked alongside
anarchists during his time in exile in Mexico. Unit's revolution and the red and black of the Sandinistas actually came from that anarchist influence. By the nineteen thirties, after the US withdrawal, the labor movement had to navigate the Soumotza family dictatorship, which was marked by the severe oppression of
anything that even smelled red. Even in the face of state violence, unions and workers' groups continued to organize, laying the groundwork for future resistance, including the eventual Sandinista revolution that overthrew the Somozas. In the late seventies, some social progress was then possible in the country, but it was still marred by corruption and authoritarianism, made worse by the reelection of Daniel or Day in two thousand and six.
He still holds the presidency in Nicaragua to this d managing to steave off this swell of protest against him between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty, of which anarchists, however small number did indeed take part. If weteen to Hounduras. Now, there's not too much to say about anarchists so again, but Honduras did have a vibrant label movement. In eighteen ninety, La Democracia, one of the country's first mutual laid societies, emerged with a cooperative spirit that laid the foundation for
was to come. By the early twentieth century, the workers move when in Honduras had begun to heat up even more, particularly among miners and banana plantation laborers, two groups that were central to the country's economy. In March nineteen o nine, miners struck against brutal conditions and poverty wages. The response Garson, maybe you can guess bad things, violent, brutal repression and ding ding ding ding thing.
Yeah, that is that is you know what I was assuming, but I didn't want to, you know, make a fool out of myself.
Nineteen sixteen banana plantation workers at the Quim Food Company.
What was their response, Oh, violence, murder.
I assume Dinging, ding Ding four hundred strikers were four hundred strikers were arrested and imprisoned in the infamous Castillo de Moor. I didn't see any epvidence of mass deaths in this particular case.
Which is honestly progressive considering the time. I don't know.
Mass incarceration not really that much better. I mean, they literally got in prisoned in this castle, dungeon jail. Not something I would want to be rats, nibblermetric tools and stuff like that.
You know, no, no.
So.
Following these early twentieth century strikes, workers gradually began to build some momentum when they fight for rights, particularly during the nineteen fifty four General Strike against the US banana companies. This strike led to significant gains, including the legal right to organize and the emergence of a more he afide
labor movement. Now will anarchists involve these movements as possible, as movements do bear much of the language and hallmarks of the anarchist cynicalis thought at the time, but identify specific names as difficult, and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of specifically anarchist groups.
In the early labor history of the country.
As in other parts of Central America, it appears that Marxists had a bit more influence in their struggles. In response to the workers gains, the US backed military coups of roles to counter that progress. The nineteen sixty three coup against President Harmone vieda Morales usher in decades of military rule which stifled labor movements and pleasant movements, often violently. During the nineteen seventies, the Campesino or peasant land struggles intensified as the people demanded.
Redistribution and reforms.
They did get some reform under General Essualdo Lopez Ariano, but these reforms were limited and met with the usual repression. In transition into a young government in nineteen eighties, Honduras remained under heavy US influence, serving as a base for anti communist activities in Central America. Then new liberal policies in nineteen nineties eroded many of the hard won social and labor rights, as privatization and austerity measures deepened the
inequality in the country. Two thousand and nine coup against President Manuel's u Liar marked another turning point in modern hundred resistance. Silia's progressive policies, including raised in the minimum wage and considering a Greeran reform. Imagine you're considered progressive,
even considering a careering reform. But for that thought crime of considering a Greeran reform, he was alienated by the business elite and the US aligned military and thus could and this triggered, of course, a wave of militarization and repression and protests. We met with violence and human rights abuses usual in the years fallen. The coup movements like Clatters Extensia unified a broad coalition of workers, indigenous crewsanist
students who were all demanding systemic change. But the essues persist Andruas continues to face crises of poverty, violence and migration, but grassroots organizing continues. The ground there is indeed fertile for an anarchist resurgence, And then we come to the Salvador. Anarchists, both local and international, played a key role in shape in the early labor movement Spanish, Mexico and Panamanian anarchisynicalists work with them ideas of collector resistance and workers autonomy.
One of the earliest milestones in the country was the Union Oprera Savalorina, founded in nineteen twenty two, which united workers under the principles of mutual aid and direct action. Nineteen twenty four, the Ferracrion de Ravadoresta Salvador or FRTs emerged and was initially steeped at anarchistinicalist ideas before shifting towards Marxism in the late nineteen twenties. In the nineteen thirties, the anarchist Centro sind Cal Libretario was founded and operated
in Sansa the Door. Unfortunately, for pretty much everybody in the outside of door, nineteen thirty two happened the devastating La Mantaza of nineteen thirty two. To be specific, this was a massacre that was orchestrated by the dictatorship of General Oh. I shouldn't have told you, I should have asked you what you think to La matanza means un if you've be brushed up in your Spanish.
Unfortunately, no, my Spanish is actually quite famously bad. I really should work on it.
I'm sure you envy and my stumbling through all these Spanish names throughout this series.
See that's usually me. I'm just happy to have it be someone else, so James doesn't laugh at me for reading too many books but not practicing saying things out loud as a kid.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel you. I mean for me, I think one of the difficulties I have been don in Spanish all my life. Yeah, the difficulty is when you're speaking at a momentum in one language, at least in my experience, it's really difficult to switch the patterns of pronunciation to the other language. You know, the way that Spanish like reads vowels is different from how English reads vowels, so it's hard to like quickly switch in and switch out.
Yeah, that's that there has always been. My struggle is reading their vowels like my vowels, and it produces some sometimes quite quite comical pronunciation, which is really really my bad.
I can imagine, but yeah.
The La Matanza of nineteen thirty two was a massacre orchestrated by the dictatorship of General Maximiliano Frandez Martinez that aimed to crush the peasant prison that was sparked by systemic poverty and land dispossession. Tens of thousands were slaughtered, many of them indigenous people, and the anarchist and labor movements in the country suffered immense losses as activists were
either killed or forced underground. This marked the beginning of decades of military rule designed to protect the interests of the land owned in oligarchy, the fourteen families that practically owned everything in El Salvor. But despite this repression, radical organizations have persisted. The mid to lay twentieth century saw the rise of armed revolutionary groups, culminating in the Salvadorda In Civil War from nineteen eighty eight to nineteen ninety two.
The war pitted the primarily Marxi Leninists and socialist factions against the US backed Selvadorra and military dictaisership. The Marxists transitioned into a political party after the nineteen ninety two peace accords, which ended the war but left many systemic inequalities unresolved. In the twenty fifth century, labour struggles have continued amid new liberal economic reforms and international financial pressures, while the left wing Fmelon won the presidents in two
thosey nine and held power on until twenty nineteen. Its tenure was criticized for failing to sufficiently addressed issues plague in the country. Recent years under President I have seen the construction of a proper mass casseral police state. What we're going to struggle against, privatization and our sterity measures. By the way, the rise of Achille is just really fascinating to me, particularly from a trendardy and context, because we have a pre surveyor murder rate situation going on.
Our murder rate has been rising steadily in the past two decades and there's just been in general, lot of crime is serious lately, and the response a lot I've seen a lot of Trindadians have toward the rise of a Chill and a Salvador. It's literally like, we do that too, We need to do that too, Like we need to you know, institute like a mass custual state as well. And I feel like I'm fighting a wave.
I'm like talking to a war like really, it's really difficult for me, I think, to challenge that because I know some people's frustrations, but to me, my mind is
just boggled at it. You know, like you really think we'll be complaining about r ouption all the time, right, Like it's very openly nepatistic and corrupt in this place, people who are like either political party that is presented to us as the options, and yet people are so think about the crime situation that they're willing to put that much power in the hands of the government to make that judgment. That's the things we know that they're
innocent people in for killers prisons. You know, we know that journalists haven't locked of for criticizing the government. We know that all people are locked up without charges, without rights, without anything. And what's crazy to me is that like people are like cheering it on until it's them, until you happen to be unlucky enough to have a tattoo.
I mean, yeah, as long as it's someone else, then it's not them.
Yeah, exactly, It's like it's fine as long as somebody else. But like, let's say you have a tattoo or I mean, the thing is the police. I'm sure it's the case in VA as well, because the police are themselves a gang anywhere in the world, but the police insure not
literally connected in some cases with gangs. In fact, there's some gang members who end up like joining the police force later on in their lives, and so to just give that kind of powerity that you know, let's say you criticize an officer, you say something that they were like, and then before you know it, you're the one behind boss as well. I understand the frustration, I don't understand the response, and it remains to be seeing how Biguli's
policies continue to play out in the country. I feel like it's a disaster reason to happen, and so in many ways it is already a disaster.
But you know, there are people.
Point to oh, look, I'll see if things have got no But I don't know how long that will last, especially when the families that are responsible for so much of the disparity in the country are still in their position of power.
But I digress.
The spirit of mutually direct action and anti thoughtun resistance still as a potential to persist in the country of El Salbaro. At last, we've reached Guatemala. In nineteen twenty sixth, the publication Orientascian Cindical started circulating in Guatemala calling for the kind of direct grassroots union action that went around or even opposed fiscal parties as obstacles to liberation. Meanwhile,
the Marxists in the country had a different vision. They pushed for the formation of the Federacion Juianaloberradia Guatemala and with that the launch of Fangaradia Proletaria, a communist led people that aim to rally the working class behind Marxist ideas. At the same time, Spanish and Peruvian workers alongside Guatemala and students and workers came together to form the Committee Peroxio and Cindical, which was the space where anarchistyndicalism truly
found its voice in Guatemala. Gres you can probably guess the powers that be weren't going to let this kind of artical action stand. In nineteen thirty a military Dutay ships swept into the country, ending the Committee, effectively silence and anarchystynicalism in Quatemala and set in the stage for years of political oppression as the state worked tirelessly to suppress any form of workers self organization, often with the back end of the one and only yous say us
say us say. The mid twentieth century marked a period of extreme violence against workers movements, passive movements, and leftists movements, especially after the nineteen fifty four CIA backed coup. Despite these setbacks, workers and political movements really never stopped fighting.
In the nineteen sixties and seventies, Kriller movements gainablementum inspired by Marxist and anti imperialist ideologies, and although these movements were frequently crushed with state violence in the Fourth massacres and disappearances, they persisted until the end of the Civil War nineteen ninety six. Still social inequality and economic exploitation persisted. They moved on, especially in this sweatshop industry, have continued
to fight for workers' rights. Guatemalo today is still fighting to breathe free. Its people are still fighting against the continued dominance of new liberal economic policies, fighting against crop political elites, and most importantly, fighting for autonomy French, indigenous and working peoples. And that it's time to hit the
islands on Our first stop is the Dominican Republic. To the efforts of Spanish immigrant workers, the ideas of mutual aid and syndicalism found very fertile ground, particularly in the mid eighteen eighties, where we see the emergence of the first mutualist associations, such as La Alianza Chipayania in eighteen eighty four and Society dad at tsinale Ecost de Pueblo
in eighteen ninety. The riverald Workers Strike in eighteen ninety six, struck in protest against their conditions but working on the Puerto Plata Santiago line, among the first direct actions in the American Republic outside of its historical.
Maroonages and slaver of votes.
In eighteen ninety seven, the first labor union was formed, the Union de Panaderos the son to Domingo. Not long after, strikes erupted across the country. Bakers, cobblers, brick layers all marched in protest, often the heart of Cologne Park, fighting for better working conditions and respect from their employers. Fast forward a bit, and in nineteen twenty we saw the first Premier Congress to de Ravajadores Dominicanos convene in Santramingo,
where the Confederacion dominican and del Trabajo was born. The demands were basic but crucial, things like the eight hour workday, the right to strike, a salary schedule, and profit sharing. But it wasn't just about improving their daily lives. They also sought to fight foreign intervention. Specifically, they called to the end to the North American occupation, which had had
a heavy presence in the region for decades. The nineteen twenties also the rise of another powerful union, the Federacion Locale de Travajo de Santra Remingo, which was founded by thirty one different unions. Despite the strength of these movements, the Dominican Republic remained under the heavy influence of foreign
powers and corrupt local elites. In nineteen forty six, the Dominican Republics so a major strike in the sugar plantations of La Romana and San Pedro de Macoris, and this time the influence of Spanish anarchists who had fled the Spanish Civil War was undeniable. Today, the anarchist presence in the American Republic is not pronounced, but the conditions are as with the others ripe for such a transformation. Finally, let's jump across to Puerto Rico for a final historical review.
Puerto Rico, as we know, was a Spanish colony until eighteen ninety eight, but after that it fell under the
control of the United States. Anarchism in Puerto Rico didn't have quite the same impact as it did in there By Cuba, let us men, it wasn't there pushing back against the powers of b Anarchist militans, particularly from Spain, made their way to Puerto Rico in the eighteen eighties, bringing with them the fire of direct action and commitment to the idea that workers should control their own lives.
In the liberal period between eighteen sixty eight and eighteen seventy three, the first artist and based organizations started popping up. These were mutual aid societies and cooperatives. They weren't exactly radical orientation, a far cry from the anarchist of prizings happening elsewhere in that America, but there were spaces where workers could find solidarity and support. In eighteen ninety four,
things began to change. A monetary crisis hit, followed by a devaluation that ten prices kyrocketing, and the population decided to push back. This triggered a wave of strikes and mass protests, and that's where we start to see the direct influence of anarchists. Were not for sure that Spanish anarchists, who had settled in Puerto Rico were active in these
early struggles, push in fremancipation and denounced in exploitation. In eighteen ninety eight, when Puerto Rico was already under US control, anarchists and socialists came together to form the Federacrialricnale the Rostravadories, a group clearly inspired with the Spanish Federascriol and Richiernalespanola. Their program was a simple yet radical one, abolished the exploitation of workers and build a society without borders or masters.
But as with all movements, there were contradictions and splits. In eighteen ninety nine, a major rift occurred within the Federation, and it became clear that some of its leaders were more willing than others to accept the support of political parties, something the anarchists traditionally rejected. This caused those that were true to syndicalist autonomy to form the Federastrian Libre, a group that split from that original federation and stuck to
the principles of the First International. Yet, just a few years later, in nineteen oh one, this same group ended up affiliated with the conservative American Federation of Labor, which is a very strange Bedfellow considering their earlier anarchists commitments. But the anarchists didn't feed away just after these splits. They didn't achieve the dawn and position in Puerto Rico's
worker movement, but they kept pushing forward anyway. And one of the ways they did this was through the press, as they spread ideas, shared literature.
And build networks.
Baz Sumana, a publication based on Kagwas, was one such example. The anergi anarchists in Perto Rico was translated into action, especially in the labor front where they were there and part of strikes and eons and ongoing battles. So as we look to Puerto Rico today, whether with the fight for sovereignty, for labor rights, against cunalism, or whatever else, we can remember the potential of anarchism on the island.
There are Puerto Ricans and history who understood that freedom wasn't solely about political independence, but about deliberation of all people from all forms of exploitation. So I just take a step back and look at the broader picture of
labor and anarchist struggle across the region. Do the anarchist movements were not as vibrant as elsewhere, whether indeed dormant or dead in many cases, we still see a very powerful thread of resistance and a very flutile ground for anarchist development, which our comrades in these places can hopefully flourish within.
That's all for me today. You can find me a YouTube at Androism and patroon that seem true. This is It could Happen Here? All power to all the people. Peace.
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