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history of how you might have been affected by predictive programming. Listener, So let's start by defining our terms here. Predictive programming is a conspiracy theory that future events are seeded within fictional media like film, TV, video games, and books to subliminally influence the public perception of real world events. But this isn't simply about movies like just predicting the future.

It's an intentional method of large scale social conditioning used by a conspiracy of deep state government agents and the entertainment industry. This term was coined by a conspiracy theorist named Alan Watt. Different from the like pop Zen writer Alan Watts. Different guy, just a one letter difference. I'm sure they share some amount of audience crossover, but they are different people. He kind of coined this concept around the early two thousands. From what I can tell, he's

a Scottish Canadian conspiracy theorist. Oddly enough, he's kind of one of the least problematic conspiracy theorists that I've run into. Like he's he's openly pushed back on on like anti semitism from David Ike and Alex Jones, Like he just seems to kind of be a silly guy. He died a few years ago. From what I can tell, at least on like a cursory search, He's like not the most problematic, I mean, obviously still a conspiracy theorist, but

like kind of like the token good conspiracy theorist. I don't know, but he defined predictive programming as the power of suggestion using the media of fiction to create a desired outcome. A more expansive definition that he gave is quote, predictive programming is a subtle form of psychological conditioning provided by the media to acquaint the public with planned societal

changes to implemented by the elites. If and when these changes are put through, the public will already be familiarized with them and will accept them as natural progressions, thus lessening any possible public resistance and commotion. Predictive programming, therefore, may be considered a veiled form of preemptive mass manipulation or mind control courtesy of our puppet masters. So that's

Alan Watt, that is, that is his definition. Like I said, he kind of came up with this idea in the early two thousands and it spread like wildfire throughout his competitors and his contemporaries in the conspiratorial milieu.

An Ohio State University article on the topic said, quote, predictive programming, at its core is a tactic to reduce resistance by introducing concepts that seem far fetched and continuously reintroducing them to make these concepts appear more likely or at the very least acceptable. So that's more of like

an outside in definition from from researchers. So let's let's go back to Alan Watch a little bit, because he's kind of been largely forgotten in the conspiratorial milieu, replaced by a whole bunch of more like bombastic and and troubling figures like Jones and Ike and many many smaller, smaller conspiracy theorists. But I listened to what I believe to be the first kind of broadcast where where he

coined this idea. As opposed to Alex Jones, Alan Watt is like a very like calm speaker, like he's he's actually kind of just like pleasant to listen to because he's just so like like calm, methodical. He's not like bombastic. He just sounds like a regular, like chill guy. His his website is amazing. It looks like a nineteen ninety five website that has never been updated. It is, it is fantastic. I love that the website has stayed up after his death because it is just a joy to

look at. But Alan Watt describes predictive programming as a quote unk quote ancient science. He thought that quote families of actors go back thousands of years. They're a specialized section of society that inter marries within their own ranks unquote.

So like he thinks all actors come from like this one large like intergenerational family that have been that have been like in the profession of acting, which like is kind of true for like the Coppolas, but like, eh, you know, it's like, yes, there is a massive like inepotism problem, but like no, yeah, actors aren't like a single family that goes back like millennia. But that is that that is one of his beliefs he calls he calls producers magicians quote. They know what messages must be

imprinted into the minds of the audience. They know the techniques, a perfect science unquote. He also talks about how Shakespeare was involved in predictive programming. Quote Shakespeare was the magician that brought the English language into being quote. So that like Shakespeare is like the person who developed like the

modern the modern English language. Like obviously English like pre dates Shakespeare, but like he thinks that through Shakespeare's writing he was able to like popularize the modern form of English, which just isn't true, but it's a it's a it's a funny thing to believe. And he thinks all these people are like literal magicians, like like wizards, like you know, like like wands, pointy hats, Like they're all like doing actual like magic.

people in the government. And yeah, there is a form of Hollywood that is like just war propaganda. Like that, there's a kernel of truth here, but not exactly in the way Alan Watt talks about it. Do you know what else has a kernel of truth all of these ads? There's one single kernel in all of these ads that is revealing a divine truth of existence. So watch out

and listen for this one kernel of truth. Okay, we are back to talk about Alan Watt and his predictive programming idea which has spread through the conspiratorial milieu like wildfire. So probably the funniest thing he gets to on this whole Hollywood as magician's rant is quote, if you look at the word Hollywood, it means holy wood, which of course is the staff of the Magi, the grand magas of the occult. He waives a wand and everything is changed.

He casts a spell. So from so he thinks that Hollywood literally refers to like a magic wand like a holy a holy wood. He then he then also talks about Hollywood as like as like a grove, like like Hollywood, like the place is is is a grove quote similar to Jewish holy groves and folklore Moses's staff was placed in a grove and that was a special place for higher magi to meet unquote. And I don't think he

means this anti semitically. It just kind of sounds anti Semitic, but he talks about and anyway, you can't even blame the us of this on those guys Canadian Scottish Canadian. Yeah, yeah, literally me, literally me. I'll read one more Alan Watt quote here, which is just a banger. Hollywood is the magician's wand holy Holly, which has been used to cast a spell on the unsuspecting public. Things or ideas that would otherwise be seen as bizarre, vulgar, undesirable, or impossible

are inserted into films in the realm of fantasy. When the viewer watches these films, his or her mind is left open to suggestion and the conditioning process begins. These same movies, which are designed to program the average person, can give the discerning viewer a better understanding of the

workings and the plan of the world agenda unquote. So unlike a lot of modern conspiracy theorists who like refuse to watch movies because of predicting programming, Alan Watt thinks it's actually useful to watch movies because you can get like a future like glimpse of what is going to happen in the world, which is like a neat little difference compared to some of his modern contemporaries.

It is often just satirizing actual events from around the time of the show's production, and lots of those events we've just now forgotten in the present, and similar events keep happening in the present, like viruses or Donald Trump running for president just like he did in the two thousands, So it's easy to kind of see these things as predictions when in fact we've just forgotten the events that

they were originally satirizing. Now, many of the kind of viral quote unquote predictions you see online associated with The Simpsons actually just have a vastly different context within the show, and in many cases are actually just altered images fan art, photoshops or memes with mislabeled timestamps, or genuine images satirizing current events, making it appear as if the Simpsons version happened beforehand, when really it was like something satirizing an

event a month ago, made to look like it was actually produced in like two thousand and seven or something, Right, so it's just a whole bunch of manipulated media. One instance of something that appears to bessive prediction but is actually just showing how the creators of the show pay attention to politics is the purple suit that President Lisa wears, bearing similarity to Kamala Harris's get up on an inauguration day, but purple was also worn by Michelle Obama and Hillary

Clinton during previous inauguration days. It's the color of the saffagette movement, and it tends to symbolize unity between red and blue states. It's it's a very common thing that women wear at inauguration day, so like it's just a good guess. So there's a lot of stuff like that. Now, probably the most famous example of the Simpsons predictive power is probably the nine to eleven poster from the New

York episode. Now, there is a wealth of eerie nine to eleven imagery from years before the attack, either associated with the date itself, destruction of the Twin Towers, or, in the case of the Simpsons, both Now, as for the others, nine to one one is just a common number in the US. So you see a pop up in a lot of Stuff, and the Twin Towers, as well as the Statue of Liberty, the Empire State, and the Chrysler Building are all often used in like host

apocalyptic or like societal collapse destructive artwork. Of course, there was the bombing at the World Trade Center like a decade prior, and it's really easy now just to focus on instances of art depicting the Twin Towers.

Center to blame it on terrorists and start a new war in the Middle East. This episode aired six months before nine to eleven.

predictive programming type thing. In the wake of COVID nineteen, many have pointed out that movies like Contagion or even zombie media are instances of predictive programming to get the public to accept a massive global pandemic, when in most cases it's actually just like scientists being like, hey, a pandemic could probably be a big problem, and then screenwriters being like, oh, let's write a movie about a pandemic, right, very very easy. Do you know what else contains very

important subliminal messaging? Maya cars two, Well, the products and services that support this podcast. Listen to these to get a glimpse into the future. All right, we are back and we are joined by Robert Evans to give his thoughts on the predictive power of the Simpsons.

over himself when he's avoiding church. That really predicted me at about eleven am this morning.

The Darkness, not at all. But let's not forget that the movie also conditioned us to accept a major attack on a big sporting event, something which has also not really happened. So I'll actually be seeing Clyde Lewis again next week, so I will I will try to get his thoughts on his Dark Knight Rises failed predictions. We'll see, we'll see how We'll see how that goes for me. But those are not the only conspiracy theories around this movie.

For the next one, we will turn to the King of the Lizard People, David Ike.

and it's called Tri Corner Island. I think they renamed it to Sandy Hook in the Dark Knight rises, So a similar map in the movie was used for marketing materials that labeled Sandy Hook as a neighborhood in Gotham, and this map also contained a neighborhood called the Narrows, a common Gotham borough in Batman lore. The Sandy Hook shooting this led schools in Narrows, Virginia to delay their reternive students for winter break to install additional security precautions.

And this was all based on a conspiracy article titled is Narrows the site of the next school massacred?

I don't think most mass shooting victims have to deal with, like it becoming the center of this national mania campaign.

sense as most conspiracy theories do. But David Ike said, quote the dark Knight rises is classic Saturn symbolism, and Satanists worship Saturn, So there you go. Now, Curiously, do you know who else lives in Sandy Hook? Suzanne Collins, the author of The Hunger Games, which leads us to our next topic, the Hunger Games. I found this amazing blog called Through Ancient Eyes by this British guy named Neil, who's obsessed with the occult and is like a David Ike fanboy.

revolution in the minds of youth. The books are awash with symbols and archetypes that seem to be classic programming devices, and more alarmingly, the books seem to project a very viable future for not only America but for the world.

like being against tutalitarian governments. This is actually symbolic reversal where it's actually pro authoritarian governments, because this is this is how he talks about the entire the entirety of of the movie and how it's actually trying to like seed acceptance for a one world order, a military police estate. Similar to David Ike, Neil also notes the Saturnian symbolism, with the goat imagery of the astral signed Capricorn linking to pan as well as the composite representation of the

devil image Baphomet. Now I am I am not a planetary magic guy in general, but Saturn is often like linked to like the harvest, to destruction, chaos, it's, it's, it's a whole thing. But Neil says, quote both Capricorn and Aquarius are ruled by Saturn and it's hidden vibrationality effect on the powers that be banking, law, education. Therefore, PanAm is the ultimate Saturn city of the future. PanAm is very much the typical totalitarian future Nazia Lake City.

It is also where that links to pandemonium in the form of a pandemic is the hunger games, preparing the youth of today for some kind of tyrannical future born out of the events of the next decade that will lead to global pandemonium, which is unfortunately a pretty good prediction coming from like, coming from like the early twenty tens. Yeah, they kind of were talking about a pandemic that leads to global unrest, repelling against a tyrannical future. So pretty good analysis by Neil there.

experiencer of the twelve signs of the zodiac. There are twelve months in the Gregorian sun calendar and thirteen months in the lunar calendar. There were thirteen districts, but now only twelve remain. There's there were thirteen colonies. The US is Satanism, So true, so true.

like put all this weird maniaction together. But they don't just get that, Like, yeah, if you tell kids a simple story about another young person overthrowing a tyrannical government, maybe they'll burn down their capital building. Absolutely, it's happened before, and it'll happen again.

predictive programming. So last episode we talked about the origin of this conspiracy theory, how this Canadian Scottish conspiracy theorist named Alan Watt came up with this idea that through Hollywood movies, TV books, video games, the secret couple of shadowy governments is trying to subliminally prepare us to accept planned events as they take place in the future by putting little hints, shadows, and seeds into our everyday entertainment diet.

One of the oldest examples that conspiracy theorists will point to you as an example of predictive programming is this book from the late eighteen hundreds called Futility that talks about a fictional ship called the titan which was thought to be completely unsinkable, which eventually crashed on an iceberg and sank. This obviously it mirrors what happened to the Titanic in the decades to follow. So yeah, what are

we talking about this sort of stuff? Last episode ended in our discussion of the Hunger Games, I found this old conspiracy blog by this British guy named Neil where he talks about all of his theories surrounding the Hunger Games, books and movies. So we will return to hear Neil's thoughts on the predictive programming implanted into the Hunger Games.

Neil also has fascinating opinions on trains. He really doesn't like that in the Hunger Adams there is a big like like train system which he links to like the which he links to the European Union's future train plan as well as as well as like high speed rail plans for North America, which he is very against because do you know who else used trains?

So he has he has this whole thing about that he he doesn't like that President Snow looks like the Saturnian figure of Cronos, the father of time, who devours children, just like just like how President Snow sacrifices children to maintain like societal control of PanAm in the Hunger Games.

is clear the blueprint for a new America. So part of this blueprint that he talks about is like implanted microchips and a brutal police state that arrests and kills protesters, unlike our current police state, which would never arrest or kill a protester.

to the unseen forces that transforms the world. Both Catnus and Pete's costumes set a fire as they enter the arena before the tournament, with Catnus becoming the bird on fire. She's the embodiment of the coming transformation, the beginning and the end. Catnus and Peda are symbols of Artemis and Apollo, the twins and children of the New World Order of Gods. Smokeless fire is also a major symbol used by the Illuminati and is their vehicle to communicate with the Arkans.

He never goes into further detail of a.

that kind of revolution. A peaceful revolution is one inspired by the inner world of imagination and not necessarily the outer world of this five sensus. The type of revolution that the elite would want us to unfold here would be one born of pandemonium. The illuminati, in those who control of the current global empire in the making, love to hide their agenda in planes, within commercial so called

fictitious movies, and in the media industry in general. The Hunger Games is the script for the totalitarian, elite ruled brutal police state. The agenda's repeatedly being laid out in front of our very eyes, both in real everyday life and in things we choose to expose ourselves within the so called entertainment industry.

it can't just be a movie that people liked. And if it's like, you know, I saw a Hunger Game, the first Hunger Games movie, and I tried to read the books, and I was like, nah, I can't read these you know, they're not they were not written for me. Like it's it's just I was not interested in them.

And that's all I really thought about it. But like certain people, if they see something popular and they don't immediately fall in love with it, they have to come up with some reason why it's sinister, and it's the same thing that leads them to reject everything else, right that, Like if other people like something and I don't get it, or I feel weird, I don't understand it, then it has to be a fucking conspiracy like that used to be one percent of this country, and through social media

it's become like half of us. Because it's a deeply addictive way to feel.

everything and everyone completely from the Internet. So I figured, this seems to me like a classic case of predictive programming where not just the World Economic Forum, but now also through movies and you know, fictional stories, they are trying to prepare the public to the idea of cyber attacks and the potential chaos that could come with that.

The Little Girl is obsessed with the last episode of Friends called How It Ends, which is interesting because the star of the movie, Julia Roberts, also dated Matthew Perry way way back, Matthew Perry, who also passed away earlier this year. The movie also references like billionaires and their bunkers, and it references the Cabal on way more than one occasion. The heart of it is that the Cabal has fallen, and so nobody is in charge, and this is what's

leading to the fall of the United States of America. Essentially, it has a very predictive programming feel to it. And I mean with the Obamas and the constant references to water. Planes crash in the water and a boat called the White Lion runs up on shore from the ocean. Everybody wants water. They're constantly drinking water. Here's some water. You want some water? Didn't the Obama chef just drowned. I can't watch anything anymore. I can't enjoy Summon Up. The

entire movie itself doesn't even have a plot. There's no real storyline to this movie, and the ending is awful. If I if I were not paying attention like I am, I would think the movie would be terrible. There's no resolution, there's no real start. It just seems like it's just here, just here, it's just telling you. And one more thing. It talks about microwave e MP.

like be happy, which is probably the funniest thing. Also that she thinks the movie predicted the death of the Obama's chef, which I don't don't even know if that's real.

working on the possible scenario of a cyber attack. Right the cyber attack is one of these scenarios that they're saying, it's got to happen, it's coming, the big cyber attacks coming. But I feel like films like this, The intention could be to make people so afraid of just the mere possibility of a total collapse like.

and the Central Bank digital currencies and whatnot. It's like a limited type of thing, a regional type of thing that then is hyped up to be the worst thing ever.

It's almost like a cyber attack brinksmanship type of thing unquote, so they think that, you know, you don't actually need to have the cyber attack, you just need to have people afraid enough that it could happen by by talking about it in media, film, TV, you know, all all this.

to figure something else out for a second. Like it's it's easier to have it seem disconnected and like completely disorienting when you have everybody like out in the middle of nowhere without other people around to make shit makes sense.

chats on this stream. He's he's verified on YouTube, he has over one hundred thousand subscribers, and he is one of the has some of the like not not very hidden anti semitism, but like, I am kind of surprised that he's able to say as much as he is while still being verified and getting all this money, because he has this line towards the end of his of his stream quote, the little girl is inside the house with the bunker that everyone else was trying to go to,

and she's sitting at the table surrounded by like goy slop. She's just got all the freaking kibbl foods like Funians and doritos. She's having a feast of gluttony. It's all freaking globo homo kibble, fruity pebbles and stuff. She's just gluttonously consuming a bunch of you know, trash processed foods. She's just all alone, just looking kind of autistic. Unquote

what the fuck? So, yeah, he's just talking about like goy slop, like there's like the like, like the Jews are creating junk food to pacify.

Kevin Bacon now Garrison. In the classic film Trimmers, Kevin Bacon plays a handyman character who with his friend Earl Bassett played by Fred Ward, has to fight off an attack by subterranean ancient giant worm beasts in order to save himself in his small community and Dune. In Just like Dune, Garrison and in the lore of the Trimmers movies, Val McKee. Kevin Bacon's character is not seen in further movies because he gets rich and he marries Ronda le

Beck and they move off somewhere. Maybe they moved to the northeast, to an island off the coast of the East Coast, where he bought a house and became a survivalist prepper informed by his experiences with his good friend Bert Gummer, the local survivalist who shot a giant worm to death and maybe leave the world behind. As a stealth sequel to the first Trimmers movie, showing what Kevin Bacon's character does later in life.

influences technology comes from this. Then that's also kind of the basis of of Mark Fisher and Nick Lan's like a cultural hyperstition where you specifically make art to have this larger cultural effect that then it can bring things into being as opposed to the more like individualistic like

use of like occultism. And then a big, a big part of all of this, this predictive programming thing is also just like apaphenia, right, It's it's people creating connections and patterns and random data because it's it's actually easy to look back, can pick out past media that has seemingly predicted events, but it's much harder to identify current

media that is actually predicting future events. Right, this is this is a part of hindsight bias, the tendency that we have to look at past events is more predictable than what they actually were. It is it's a common psychological response to a traumatic event like like a big pandemic or a school shooting. There's also you know, all of these all of these predicted programming theories fall into

these kind of contradictory depictions. Which is why the which is why the Hunger Games guy like uh calls it like reverse symbolism. Right, it's it's if this if if predictive programming is orchestrated by a shadowy cabal seeking to implement a totalitarian takeover by normalizing an incredibly oppressive government.

they're more likely to view it as a negative thing. Right. This sounds very obvious, but you do have to do like social science to actually like show this is a real pattern. And then finally, I will end this by quoting from that article from the Ohio State University quote, there are a few purposes for predictive programming, and not all of them have to deal with tyranny. Some of them are meant to lessen the blow of an event like nine to eleven or as previously mentioned, at the

Sandy Hook shootings. The contradiction arises when thinking about why the government would want to warn us or prepare us for Sandy Hook. The whole point of Sandy Hook conspiracies is to doubt the event even happened, so the government would create a conversation around gun control. This would defeat the purpose of staging it if the government was trying

to ensure a smaller or inexistent response unquote. Especially like looking back at what we talk about with like the Simpsons, it's it's just a fun game people play, right, Like it's it sounds like a fun a fun world to to to live in. If you can imagine this interconnected web, connecting every single thing that happens to your own experiences.

a massive predictive programming operation to prepare American citizens for civil conflict with each other. So have fun seeing a whole bunch of conspiracy theories develop around this movie that comes out next month.

One thing I didn't touch on last time was the various levels of awareness that people have about collapse, because as with most things in this life, it exists on more of a spectrum than anything. We're all on this learning journey and some people are further along, if you could even really relate, it's not way than others. Some discussions of collapse are informed by author Paula Shafferka's Stages

of Collapse. There are five stages in total, and the first stage is dead asleep, which is where you're really just vibing. You know, you can see some issues in the world here and there, but that could be fixed, right. All we had to do is organize a bit better, change our behaviors, slightly tweak the rules, and we'll be fine. But then you move on to the next stage, which is the awareness of one fundamental problem is when you realize, oh,

there's something structurally wrong. What you only see in one part of that structural flow, so it seems everything is not you know, cash money, you know, maybe fond about the depths of systemic racism or imperialism, or overfission or mass extinction or fracket. And you know, as one does,

you start to freak out a little bit. You know, maybe you mobilize to bring some awareness of this issue, just so people know that you know something is wrong, let's fix it, and that one problem can even consume you entirely. And then consuming all that knowledge about that one problem, you keep learning, and if you really do keep learning and are open to learn more and more about the issue, eventually reach an awareness of many problems. The next stage. The more you learn, the more you worry.

You take in all sorts of information and begin to see how complex and multifaceted the world's problems are. Now it's hard for you to even prioritize which is so need to be tell first. In fact, it's so overwhelmed you do have be reluctant to acknowledge new problems because you already have so much on your plate. Alas, you cannot ignore the other problems forever, not unless you want

to keep running in circles. So you get to the stage of awareness of the interconnections between the many problems, it starts to dawn on you that there are no

easy solutions. Shutting down factory farms mainly off millions and leave perhaps hundreds of millions for a complete meal, or efforts to raise the standard of living in the developing world through industrialization in the footsteps of the developed world just might accelerate the Earth demise and profit a select few at least you thinking on the systems level, now beyond the symptoms towards the source. Perhaps there is no one solution, Perhaps the gravity of such a solution maybe

too much to pay. So finally, at the last stage, you get to awareness that the predicament encompasses all aspects of life, so much so you might even pine after ignorance as you realize that this series of problems, or rather this all encompassing capital p predicament, includes everything we do, how we do, what we do, how we relate, and

how we affect the entire planet. The predicaments is so massive you might even reach a point where you're just like, there is no capital s solution to this capital be predicament, no easy answer, no quick fix, and you can't do

it alone. So now what now? In the last episode, I would have spoken about a couple of different responses that people have had to collapse slumber, denial, apathy, preoccupation, hedonism, overwhelm and blind hope, individual change, progress, worship, leader worship, apocalypse worship, despair, but as promised for this episode, I want to be a bit more constructive in focus and so to answer the question, really is there any way out?

But before I get to that garrison, do you think there are any stages am I have missed in that progression of understanding? Or what have you observed in your experience?

other times the tipping points never really ever reach. It's it's it's just it's just this this forever kind of crumbling and then rebuilding and then crumbling and rebuilding, and you get to like a ship a theseus situation where eventually, at one point the thing is completely different from what it used to be, but there was never like a full moment of quote unquote collapse. It was just this this continual like crumbling and then becoming into the next thing.

economics and all that stuff. I came to realize that just how big situation was. And now I'm here. So, as I said in the previous episode, we really don't need blind hope, and I should be upondly clear, we definitely don't need hopeless despair. It's a little rhyme there. So how do we respond to this predicament? The short answer is that I don't know. The long answer is this whole podcast episode. I mean I could give some platitudes,

you know, we need sobriety, clarity, lucidity. I mean Paul Shafuka points out in his article that those in stage five awareness who see that the predicament encompasses all aspects of life look to one of two paths. And I mean I've since adapted into Britain and remixed the two paths, so not one to one with what he had in mind, but you should get the gist. The first path of response to the predicaments of collapse is the inner path

of self healer. It's a manifestation of that fake Can the quote be the change you want to see in the world, sort of retreating into oneself, digging deep and personal to helping your self awareness. I mean some people take this to mean some sort of hyper individual thing, and its low key is if you tilt and twist your head slightly, you can maybe see it in a different light. I don't think it has to mean becoming a monk or an aesthetic. I don't think it means

denying systems or ignoring the painful truth. I think it involves taken in the gravity of what we're dealing with, such a grand scale issue, and putting it in a personal context, unabstracting it and understanding it through a more managical lens. I'm not one to fall back on evolutionary terminism or anything like that, but I do think often about how we kind of weren't meant to be processing this entire planet, this entire population.

the base unit of society, which is the self. So you might continue pursuing knowledge of the issues, start developing your practical skills and people's skills, trying to minimalize your lifestyle and preparation for the economic and social shocks of collapse, perhaps seeking to settle somewhere you determined it's best suited to whether the coming storms, which I believe. I saw a video like some years ago where this guy was saying the Midwest might be the best place environmentally to settle.

I don't know if you'll cover that in the fust to a second season that could happen, yet, I.

agricultural economic boom. That process has already started. But yes, there's gonna like be this this slow rising level of like industrial farming, which first of all, isn't isn't actually great for the land itself. Like once all of the land that's abandoned in the Southern States, like after it's been tapped for so long, it's really just like dust,

like it's it's not actually useful dirt anymore. But it's all of that stuff's going to start moving farther and farther north as the as the conditions for growth start changing. And mean, it's the same thing for a lot of a lot of things that are grown and like more like jungly forest mountain areas where every year, like coffee and chocolate. They have to start they have to they have to start moving the crops further up the mountain.

And again that's that doesn't that's obviously not a great long term solution because the mountain is only so high that it costs and it costs a lot of money to constantly be moving your crops higher and higher up a mountain. Indeed, but that is the sort of like agricultural and like economic drive. It's going to start getting more and more common to supply the amount of food

that Americans are used to eating. And it won't like in the case of coffee, like it's not like actual coffee beans are not going to be as common as they were today or twenty years ago. It's going to become more of like a higher priced luxury item. And I'm sure, I'm sure Americans will get their caffeine fixed some other way. But yeah, it's like that those those sorts changes are going to become more and more and more commonplace.

But I think that as we talk about the degradation of soils, We talk about the failures in the long term of monocultural large scale farm and the only way that we're really going to see that sort of land restored again is through the sort of agro forestry, puma culture, you know, small scale practices that involve rebuilding that relationship between the people and the land itself. Regardden outside of the US, I don't know what my game plan would be.

The dry seasons are certainly dry, and I think last year actually was one of our driest wet seasons, So I don't really plan on leaving, but I do think about I do find myself thinking about, Okay, where am I gonna, like, but where am I going to settle? You know, Like, where am I going to be able to like safeguard myself and stay connected with people and

live you know. So in a sense, I am on that inner path, educating myself as much as possible, trying to develop my practical skills, focusing on what I could do as an individual to make changes in my own life and partially in my surroundings the way that is manageable. Hassan, do you see yourself in this path? As well.

have I have risk. I have some form of hesitancy to like seed territory or just like like right off places as just being like not worth it, like especially especially like the South, the American Southeast, just like that there's kind of a there's kind of a nocean, just to like write off large swaths of areas, whether like agriculturally, like climate wise, or like even like politically being like, oh, this is just where all of the fascists are gonna live,

and like that's not that's not true. This this has this area of the country is actually is one of the most diverse parts of the country, and to write it off all is like just like Republican Land is I think is grossly misguided, absolutely On the other hand, if things get really really bad, I'm also gonna hold onto my Canadian passport and just go and have that, have that as a backup option, just to just to go up north into uh into the snowy desolate of northern Alberta.

As I'm a realist, you know, But truthfully, I think taking the outer path of balance realism means shaken off the burdens and blinders are both pessimism and optimism and alarmism and denihialism and fatalism and hedonism and all these other setbacks and obstacles.

many factors that you can't even calculate and take into accome. Yeah, I mean, for all we know, I mean, it will be very disruptive of our reality, right, and personally, I'm not really a believer in like there be an interspeller alien species, but you know, imagine just out of the blue, like on a random Thursday afternoon, there was an actual alien invasion. I don't think any of us can really predict that. Of course, there are things that we do have the abilits to predict and work with and stuff

like that. But really, of course that's an ex saggery to the example. But I want to be able to recognize and accept any number of possible outcomes in the face of such a grand predicament. I think maintaining realism is difficult, especially with so much information. Who have been around in the ether, and you don't know what's true and what's not. But I think it's necessary. You know, you agitate, your fight, your build for the best, but

you also prepare and defend for the worst prefecide. By the way, on optimism, I see really two sides of collapse optimism. Both I think are well placed, but both unfortunately misled. There's the optimism that collapse absolutely will not take place, which I think is a sort of optimism that doesn't really quite understand where collapse, what forms collapse can take. And then it's a sort of optimism that

collapse will take place but will overcome it. I mean, the house of collapse might not line up fully with our predictions, but there is a very clear trajectory that we are on the idea that collapse is just not in the cards at all, really feels like wishful thinking humanity I don't think has the plot armor that we tend to think it does. And that lack of plot armor also means that there's really no guarantee that we

will overcome collapse if it does occur. There are no show outcomes, to be sure, but that doesn't mean a bit destined to come out of this unscathed. But what do you think of optimism considering what you do for work?

just like static optimism, I think. I think hope is a is a is a useful thing to have in your brain, but but not not have it be as like this just like umbrella that you apply to every single aspect of your life in the way like optimism is, but in terms of like when you're mentioning, like the

alien thing. I think one way that people do think about collapse or trying to cope with it a lot is like it's kind of some form of like disx machana, like like this this something will happen, whether that's some other like catastrophic event or like apocalyptic event, or it's like some new found scientific advancement that one day will pop into existence and then we'll solve all of these problems.

I think both of those are kind of a form of a dix macana, and both of those are actually ways of coping, even though one is more apocalyptic and one's more utopian.

But I mean that is I think that's that's the thing that I think a lot of people try to find some so it kind of allows you to not be in denial about the current predicament, but still envision a future that is pretty similar to what we currently have, just with this like magical invention or this or this like or this like apocalyptic event that forces people to like actually solve some some degree of problems.

will be a deniers no matter what. You know, as you were talking about optimism and sort of the dark things you're dealing with, it reminded me of something that that shook me. Yesterday. I was watching shown on YouTube Sean's video on Palistine and he shared the story of this young person and boy who had filmed the video celebrating himself winning kat in a thousand subscribers, and he was sharing his goals of you know, he may get in ten tho one hundred thousand, maybe even a million,

and he was killed last year by the idea. So I think, I mean, it's connected, but not entirely related. We're talking more long lines of ecological collapse and systems collapse and this sort of thing. And while it's true that for much of the world collapse is not going to look like a singular event, I think it is also important to recognize that and remember that there are people for whom collapse, or rather they are subjective collapse.

The collapse of their world, their way of life they exists, is staring them in the face.

not to the point of the delusion, I suppose. And I think this is this is the value of the outer path as well. And I think this outer path is fueled by a bit of in a grace and peace. You know, you've let go of some level of naivety

and passivity. You're moving, acting, doing, adapting. And here, of course, I'm thinking of like the Puma culture movement, the Transition Towns Network, or the other ongoing movements and projects, none of which are perfect, mind you, none of which are going to say the whole world or anything, but they Sidney try. And I'm as thinking of like the movement for the MST in Brazil, and you know the Leavia Campecina,

who we would have interviewed in people about recently. These groups, these movements, they struggles are thinking, are looking local, thinking global and actually really making a difference. I think that

outlook is necessary. I think we need more political movements it could be honest about reality that aren't waiting for a safere or politician that aren't wait sensor it's too late to act, that aren't removing power from the hands of people and placement elsewhere move instead of far less reactive and more proactive, and maybe we'll never see a global shift to the growth or a steady state economy in all lifetimes without a major disruption and shifting the

efforts of grounds roots movements. We can definitely see small scale, local resilient systems springing up and spreading that are better able to endure the coming economic, socio ecological shocks. I am as pro social revolution as they come, but I think we need a more expansive understanding of what that entails.

I was reading actually this Morning Anarchy, a graphic guide by Clifford Harper, and he spoke about how sixty five years of persistent agitation and organization culminated in the largest far reaching revolutionary movement of the modern times. I think when we discuss the Spanish Civil War and the cnt FAI, a lot of people get caught up from always happening

during the Civil War. But I think I don't think there's not focused on the fact that, you know, these organizations were moving and shaken in their communities and in their regions for decades prior to any major you know pop off. You know, like a general strike does not happen overnight, and insurrection does not happen overnight, espectially not without the level of broad scale support they will be

necessary to sustain those efforts. On the topic of the Transition Movement in particular, that movement was officially started in two thousand and six in the UK, but had some routes before then. In two thousand and four, primic culture designer Rob Hopkins task students at Kinsale through their Education college, with applying primical principles to the concept of peak oil, leading to the creation of the Kinseal Energy Descent Action Plan.

Two students, Louis Rooney and Catherine Dune developed the Transition Town's concept, presented into the Kinsale Town Council which adopts the plan for energy independence. Then Hopkins later moved to Totney's, England, where he, along with Naresh Kiang gray Kian Grandee, developed these concepts into the Transition model. Transition Town Totney's founded in early two thousand and six, serious inspiration for other

transition initiatives globally. Early two thousand and seven, the Transition Network UK charity was co founded by Rob Hopkins, Peter Lippmann and Ben Brangwin his support and the sound transition concepts worldwide. By two thousand and eight, product had expanded, with numerous communities becoming official transition towns. These are things you don't care about in the news. These are positive developments that have happened under the radar for decades. At

this point. By May twenty ten, over four hundred community initiatives will recognize as official transition towns in various countries, reflecting the diverse range of communities involved, from villages and

neighborhoods to cities and city boroughs. The initiatives who developed citizens cooperatives, renewable energy, local and sustainable food systems, new cooperative economic models, sustainable transport systems, energy to send action plans, and even hearts and Soul groups built to respond to

the emotional components of collapse and transition. In the book How Everything Can Collapse, which I referenced in the previous episode, Paulo Savine and Raphael Stephen's talk about the paradox of collapse, and I'll leave it in their words because I think it was really well put.

for real alternatives. Pragmatic because catastrophists political thinking. It's not apocalyptic in nature. It's not claim to worried about the end of the world, but more precisely about a sudden and potentially traumatic reorganization of ecosystems and societies. Neither business as usual nor the end of the world, just a world to invent together here and now and good. The transition movement is vitally rooted in imagination, and I've spoken

about the vitality of imagination in the past. In fact, my video on the subject was partially inspired by Rob Hopkins's book, From What Is to What If You imagine? You sketch out the details, and you roll up your sleeves and you make it real. The development of the Transition Networks project, Rob Hopkins, along with others, published the Transition Handbook, which is structured in three parts. Versus the head,

which are the facts of the situation. Then you have the heart, which are the emotional consequences and desire futures. And then you have the hands, which is how you get from imagination to action. I just thought that was a really great approach, even though the Handbook is dated in some ways. Of course, guiding people through the process of even accepting transition and getting them on the outer path works well on the small and personal scale, but

there is a challenge of scale. Savine and Steven's point out that you can't exactly announce on a large platform listen up, everybody, prepare for the end of the world.

a problem that rulers are capable of solving. The debt system is not going to go away by decree. The energy system that fills their coffers won't shift until it profits them either. And in seeing like a States, the anthropologist James Scott spends a lot of time discussing just how that top down perspective of the world is inherently limited and incapable of effecting those sorts of changes. But

thankfully the people able to act where rulers won't. As being the Stevens put it, transitioners to that wait for governments. They already invent in ways of living through this collect through this collapse in a non tragic way. They are not waiting for the worst, but building for the best. Ultimately, I'm trying to get on the level of the Transition Town realists on the outs of path that are building networks,

building community, and building sustainability. Highly suggests that if you're looking for ways to help out in your local situation, check out the Transition Town network and see how you can tap in or start your own initiative and your own area. That's all I have for now or power to all the people. This is it could happen here. I am Andrew, This is Garason, Peace.

just for clarity and context. I am recording this on Tuesday, March twelfth, so any numbers I mention, unfortunately and probably are different now at this point, there have been over five months of bombardment and genocide, and this has caused a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, with children starving to death

due to malnutrition and dehydration. As Israel has imposed restrictions on aid deliveries to Gaza, five months of genocide on top of more than a decade and a half of blockade have caused relentless mental harm to children in Gaza. According to our report released by Save the Children on Tuesday, twenty five Palestinians and Graza, including out least twenty children and a two month old baby, have died of malnutrition

and dehydration. According to the Palestinian Ministry of Health, the true death toll due to starvation is feared to be much higher as many Palestinians, particularly in northern Gaza, face famine and are almost entirely cut off from the severely limited humanitarian aid which is entering Gaza through the southern Rapah crossing. Many Israelis have also been blocking aid from

entering Gaza. A group of Israeli protesters have been blocking aid trucks from crossing into the Gaza Strip for weeks now, vowing that quote not a single loaf of bread should reach those trapped in the tiny region of the Gaza

strip until all remaining hostages are released. The area around Karam Shalom, which is Israel's only functioning border crossing with Gaza, is a closed military zone, but the IOF officers and their presence there hardly deters the dozens of protesters, who are mostly settlers, families of hostages, and deactivated military reservists. It does not deter them from trekking through the area and protesting in an attempt to slow AID trucks from

entering Razza. I'm noticing right now that I'm interchangeably using Gaza and Razza. Raza's just how you say in Arabic. U sofoye if I jump around my apologies on the ground, CNN recorded an interview with protester w Sharon. She pointed to an AID truck convoy and said, this arrives into the tunnels of Hamas, fighting us and holding our hostages. There is no evidence that the majority of AID, including

food and medical supplies, is going to Hamas. Sharon and her fellow protesters are demanding that AIDS stop entering Gaza, where over thirty thousand people have now been killed, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health, with people at an increasing risk of starvation. Another protester named Katya said they should only get the minimum calories to survive if they are starving to death, give the hostages back. Not a single loaf of bread should go there till our hostages

are coming back. When questioned about the scale of human suffering in Gaza, Katya seemed unmoved. She said, even if there is a humanitarian crisis, and there is not, it is my right and my duty to prioritize the Kiffeta Bibas over any Gazan babies. Kiffitabebas is a one year old who is being held hostage along with the baby's parents, So that's what she's referring to, prioritizing Israeli babies over

Palestinian babies. Very little AID has made it into Palestine, and perhaps nothing captures what the US and Israel actually are. Then a picture that has been making the rounds on social media recently. It's a photograph showing US AID drops and Israeli airstrikes targeting civilian areas in northern Gaza, happening at the same time. Falling on the rubble of destroyed buildings. The AID and to the airstrikes dropping at the same

moment is dystopian and beyond fucked up. Since October seventh, Israel has also shut off entry of food, water, and medicine, as well as other supplies from entering Gaza, only allowing a trickle of AID trucks through two crossings in the south. Israel has blamed the starvation that Palestinians are enduring in Gaza on UN agencies, saying that they fail to distribute supplies piling up at Gaza crossings. The UNRWA, which is the largest UN agency in Gaza, says Israel restricts goods

and imposes cumbersome inspections that slow entry of aid. Also, distribution within Gaza has been crippled. UN officials say. They say that convoys regularly are turned back by Israeli forces and that the military often refuses safe passage amid fighting, and that the aid does not get to the people that need it the most, often being grabbed from trucks by hungry Palestinians en route to the drop off points.

Recent air drops of AI by the US and other countries provide far lower amounts of aid than truck deliveries, which have become increasingly more rare, and they're also sometimes dangerous. The UNRWA says that Israeli authorities haven't allowed it to deliver supplies to the north of Gaza since January twenty third. The World Food Organization, which had paused deliveries because of safety concerns, said the military forced its first convoy to the north in two weeks to turn back on Tuesday.

Jarine from the Future is here just for this quick update. Yesterday Wednesday, Israeli forces hit a food distribution center and aid's center in Rapha. The UNRWA said that one of their staff members were killed and twenty two others were injured, and it said up to sixty people were believed to have been working there when it was hit. Those killed were said to be a fifteen year old boy and four men who were between twenty seven and fifty years old.

Rafa resident Sami Abu Salim said it's a UNRWA center expected to be secure. Some came to work to distribute aid to the people in need of food during the holy month of Ramadan. Suddenly they were struck by two missiles. The UNRWA chief Philippe Lazarini said in a statement that it was one of the very few UNWA distribution centers that was still operating in Gaza after these five months

of genocide. He said, this attack comes as food supplies are running out, Hunger is widespread and in some areas turning into famine. Every day. We share the coordinates of all of our facilities across the Gaza Strip with parties to the conflict. The Israeli Army received the coordinates, including

this facility yesterday. Since October, the un r WA says at least one hundred and sixty five of its thirteen thousand employees in Gaza have been killed and that more than one hundred and fifty of its facilities have been hit by Israeli forces. Here are the latest casualty figures as of March thirteenth, at twelve forty pm in Gaza, there are at least thirty one thousand, two hundred and

seventy two people who have been killed. Of those, there are twelve thousand and three hundred children who have been killed, as well as eight thousand, four hundred women who have been killed. There are more than seventy three thousand and twenty four people who have been injured, including eight thousand and six hundred and sixty three children who have been injured and six thousand, three hundred and twenty seven women who have been injured. There are more than eight thousand

Palestinians who are missing in Gaza. The latest figures from the Palestinian Ministry of Health for the occupied West Bank is as follows. At least four hundred and thirty two people have been killed, including more than one hundred and fifteen children. There are more than four thousand, six hundred and fifty Palestinians who have been injured in the West Bank. In Israel, officials have revised the death toll from October seventh from one thousand, four hundred and five to one

one thousand, one hundred and thirty nine. As far as the injured go, in Israel, there are at least eight thousand, seven hundred and thirty people who have been injured, according to the latest data from the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, the World Health Organization, as well

as the Palestinian government. As of February twenty five, Israeli attacks have damaged more than half of Gaza's homes, three hundred and sixty thousand residential units have been destroyed or damaged. There have been three hundred and ninety two educational facilities that have been destroyed, including all universities. Twelve out of the thirty five hospitals are partially functioning. One hundred and thirty two ground water wells have been damaged or destroyed.

Two hundred and sixty seven places of worship have also been destroyed. I really want to emphasize how damaging starvation is and famine is. Starvation causes a long lasting damage to the body. Large numbers of people in Gaza are CCXI experiencing malnutrition. Studies of famines in other countries show that famines can have long lasting impacts on people's health

and even that of their descendants. A new type of video has been circulating online from the Raza Strip, footage showing families baking quote unquote bread which is made from bird seed, eating weeds, and giving newborn babies dat to stuck on instead of milk. The Accountability Program director at Defense for Children International Palestine said it is unthinkable that in twenty twenty four, in a world that produces more than enough food for all people. That Palestinian children are

starving to death. The starvation of children is a hallmark of jedocide and a deliberate political choice by Israel, backed by the Biden administration. It is complete madness that Israeli authorities continue to prohibit and restrict food and other life saving supplies to a starving population while the international community stands. Palestinians in Gaza started to experience chronic hunger within weeks

of October seventh. At this point in time, Israeli strikes have killed more than thirty thousand Palestinians, and this is according to Gaza's Ministry of Health. The death tolls that come out of the Palestinian Ministry of Health. They account for Palestinians who die at hospitals or whose families report

their deaths to the ministry. Due to the telecommunications blackout, the collapse of the medical system, Israeli ground invasion and continued Israeli aerial bombardment, many Palestinians are not able to reach hospitals and so this number is likely far far greater than it actually is. And as I mentioned, Israeli authorities have repeatedly blocked and severely restricted any humanitarian aid

from entering Gaza. On Tuesday, Israeli forces attacked Palestinians who were waiting for aid trucks at the Kuwait roundabout south of Gaza City and they killed seven people. Keep in mind, this is after what has become known as the Flower Massacre. On February twenty ninth, the Israeli Occupation Forces aka the IOF killed at least one hundred and eighteen Palestinians who were attempting to get aid from a convoy in Gaza City.

In this Flower massacre. Along with the one hundred and eighteen Palestinians who were shot and killed, at least seven hundred and fifty additional Palestinians were injured. They were just trying to get food from the aid trucks to feed their family. The United States recently delivered two air drops

of aid alongside the Jordanian military into northern Gaza. The air drops contained a total of seventy four thousand, eight hundred meals, and this was widely criticized as a public relations move because the Biden administration is still clearly complicit in Israel's genocide of Palestinians. International criminal law prohibits serious atrocities, including core crimes of genocide, the crime of aggression, crimes against humanity, and war crimes, and provides for individual crime

responsibility for perpetrators. The crime of genocide constitutes the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group in whole or in part. Genocide can result from killing or by creating conditions of life that are so unbearable. Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare is an underlying act of genocide and it amounts to a war crime. I've said this before

on this podcast. I'll say it again, but at this point international law means nothing. I mean, it hasn't been anything for a long time. Nothing happens with Israel continues to break international law. So though that phrase is a little empty to me when they are in violation of international law, but here we are, and it should be noted that starvation of civilians also contributes and is an active genocide. I've talked about why this is genocide in

other episodes, but it's clear act of genocide. What Israel is doing to Palestinians and many scholars agree with that. Anyway, let's continue. As weeks of blockades on food and other aid have turned into months, starvation has reached historic proportions.

One recent report by the Global Nutrition Cluster, which is a United Nations Children's Fund, a UNISEF led partnership of humanitarian organizations, It found that in December of twenty twenty three, in January of twenty twenty four, nine and ten children under the age of two and more than nine and ten pregnant and breastfeeding women surveyed had consumed two or fewer food groups in the previous day. This situation is considered severe food poverty. Nearly two thirds of households were

eating just once a day, if at all. In the northern Gaza Strip, one in six babies and toddlers were acutely malnourished. Aid organizations say that these numbers today are likely to be far, far worse, and that the rapid onset and complexity of Gaza's food crisis is unprecedented. Ted Chaiban is the Deputy Executive Director for Humanitarian Action and Supply Operations at UNICEF. He said in a recent statement the Gaza Strip is poised to witness and explosion in

preventable child deaths. If the conflict does not end now, children's nutrition will continue to plummet, leading to preventable deaths or health issues which will affect the children of Gaza for the rest of their lives and have potential intergenerational consequences. There are nearly two point two million people living in the Gaza Strip, nearly half of whom are children. Nearly one hundred and sixty million other people worldwide are facing hunger,

including millions of people in Somalia, Afghanistan and Sudan. The short term health consequences of food scarcity have been studied intensively. In children, an especially vulnerable group. Severe acute malnutrition can lead to muscle wasting, stunted growth, and medical complications including sepsis, meningitis, diarrhea, and severe anemia. Worldwide, nearly half of all deaths of children less than five years of age are linked to malnutrition.

A growing body of research is finding that even if these children return to normal nutrition levels, a period of acute malnutrition can lead to long lasting damage later in life, and it may impact future generations. This is one of many examples of why Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people isn't just about death and the lives they've destroyed and

the land that they've taken. Israel's genocide is also about robbing Palestinians of any livable future, affecting generations of Palestinians to come, and they've done this since nineteen forty eight. That's why it's no accident when children are targeted by the IOF, when they're starving or when they're shot. They are murdered as a way to prevent Palestinians from having a future or having any hope. We see how the IOF shoots children with the intention to kill. There are many,

many examples of this, but here's a recent example. Two children were killed in November in the West Bank. Adam Samer Elrul, eight years old, was shot in the head. Bazdez uleemn Abu Edwafa, fifteen years old, was shot in the chest. These children were both murdered and shot with the intention to kill. The Israeli military and border police forces have been killing Palestinian children with virtually no recourse

for accountability for decades. Back in August of twenty twenty three, well before October seventh of twenty twenty three, Bill van Esfeld, who was the Associate Children's Rights director at Human Rights Watch, said Israeli forces are gunning down Palestinian children living under occupation with increasing frequency. Unless Israel's allies, particularly the United States, pressure israel to change course, more Palestinian children will be killed.

And that is exactly what has been happening. Many, many more Palestinian children have been killed, all preventable. Human Rights Watch researchers and documenting four killings that happened interviewed in person seven witnesses, nine family members and other residents, lawyers, doctors, staff and field workers at Palestinian and Israeli rights groups, as well as reviews CCTV footage and videos that were posted on social media, as well as statements by Israeli

security agencies, medical records, and news reports. In all cases that they researched, Israeli forces shot the children's upper bodies without, according to witnesses, issuing warnings or using common less lethal measures like tear gas, concussion grenades, or rubber coated bullets. I also want to draw attention to how this genocide is also a mass disabling event that will harm an entire generation and make them reliant on infrastructure that does

not physically exist. More than ten children a day lose a limb in Gaza, and this is from the source. To save the children. At least seventeen thousand children, which is one percent of Gaza's overall displaced population of one point seven million, have now been orphaned in the Gaza strip and the number of children who have been killed in Gaza. This number is now reaching thirteen thousand children.

The number of children reported killed in just four months in Gaza is higher than the number of children killed in four years of war around the world combined. Let's take an ad break and we'll be right back, and

we are back. In the twenty four hours between Sunday, March tenth and Monday, March eleventh, during which the vast majority of Americans were busy watching the stupid fucking oscars, seven massacres were committed by Israeli occupation forces against families in Laza, killing sixty seven Palestinians and injuring one hundred and six others. This happened as people were distracted by watching this dumb display of nothing. Palestinians are continuing to

be murdered. And as for where things currently stand right now, there are more than one point seven million civilians who are trapped in the Dephah, which is Gaza's last place of refuge. It's right on the south, on the southern border. And this is after Israel kept telling Palestinians to go south because of these quote unquote safe zones that were

clearly not safe at all. A massacre is happening in the right now, and the world is silent, and to make matters worse, not that they can get any worse. Israeli Prime Ministers Benjamin n Yahoo says that he intends to press ahead with the invasion of the city of Raphach. Joe Biden useless warned that the offensive would be a quote red line. But as we know, a slap on the wrist for Israel means absolutely nothing, and they continue

to act with impunity, without any repercussions. When asked on Sunday whether Israeli forces would move into Raa, Nan Yahu replied, we'll go there. We're not going to leave them. You know, I have a red line, and you know what the red line is that October seven does not happen again. It never happens again. He also dismissed the idea of a ceasefire for Ramadan, saying that he would like to see another hostage release because without a release, there's not

going to be a pause in the fighting. And he also doubled down on his rejection of the possibility of a Palestinian state. He says, the positions that as bows are supported by the overwhelming majority of Israelis who say to you, after October seventh, we don't want to see a Palestinian state. The Israeli people also support my position that says that we should resoundingly reject the attempt to ram down our throats of Palestinian state. That is something

they agree on. The evening of Sunday, March tenth was also the first day of the holy Muslim month of Ramadan. Tarik Ahmad, who is the UK Minister of the State responsible for relations to the Middle East, to North Africa and the UN, on Monday, he urged Israel to quote allow unhindered access to Jerusalem's holy sites during Ramadan. What has Israel done since then, you may ask, well, Israel has put up a barbed wire fence around the Uxamosque,

something it hasn't done since nineteen sixty seven. Israel erected barbed wire on a fence around the Lions Gate area, adjacent to the Uzamosk complex and occupied Eastererusalem. The Jerusalem Governor's office itself said in a statement on Monday, this is a dangerous precedent that has never occurred since nineteen sixty seven. The Lions Gate, also known as Bab al Asabat, is located within Jerusalem's Old City and is one of

the main gates leading to the Uxamosque. Israel clearly aims to prevent Palestinians from entering Uximosque during the holy month of Ramadan. Israeli forces have also imposed a strict siege on the Eluxamosque for the past five months, preventing entry into it. On Sunday night, Israeli forces prevented hundreds of Palestinians from entering the mosque to perform the Tearawekh, a special night of prayers during the holy month of Ramadan.

They also beat a Palestinian man near Bab al Zehara, one of the gates leading to the mosque, before detaining him soldiers also reportedly detained an Eluximosque guard from the Old City of Jerusalem. Continuing along with the news from just this week, on Monday, Israeli forces arrested six Palestinian boys from the town of Sailla, northeast of occupied Jerusalem. Video footage showed a group of Israeli soldiers tying the Palestinians with a rope and dragging them in a humiliating

manner through the streets of Essoella. You see this in this footage. They wrangle them and treat them like fucking cattle. Worse than fucking cattle. They're treated worse than animals. And the entire world is witnessing this. And what it's absolutely sickening to me is that so many Americans would probably care more about a dead dog than about a dead Palestinian. And if that sentence made you uncomfortable, well it's supposed to. Palestinians have not been treated or depicted as human for

so long that it's just become normal. But it is not normal, and Palestinian life matters just as much as any other. I want to also take a moment to talk about what's happening in the West Bank. According to Amnesty International, Israeli forces have unleashed a brutal wave of violence against Palestinians and the occupied West Bank in the last five months, carrying out unlawful killings, including by using lethal force without necessity or disproportionately during protests and arrest raids,

as well as denying medical assistance to those injured. The organization investigated four emblematic cases where Israeli forces used unlawful lethal force, three incidents in October and one in November, which resulted in the unlawful killing of twenty Palestinians, including seven children. Researchers remotely interviewed twelve people, ten of them eyewitnesses,

including first responders and local residents. The organization's Crisis Evidence Lab verified nineteen videos and four photos in examining these four incidents. Amnesty International's research also found that Israeli forces obstructed medical assistance to people with life threatening wounds, as well as attacked those attempting to assist injured Palestinians, including paramedics.

Since October seventh, Israeli forces have stepped up raids, carrying them out almost daily across the occupied West Bank and what it describes as search and arrest operations. In one recent incident that you may have seen online, Israeli forces

carried out arraid masquerading as medical staff. In twenty twenty three, at least five hundred and seven Palestinians were killed in the West Bank, including eighty one children, making it the deadliest year for Palestinians since the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs began recording casualties in two

thousand five. Erica Guavera Rosas, Amnesty International Director of Global Research, Advocacy and Policy, said under the cover of the relentless bombardment and atrocity crimes in Gaza, Israeli forces have unleashed unlawful lethal force against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, carrying out unlawful killings and displaying a chilling disregard for

Palestinian lives. These unlawful killings are a blatant violation of international human rights law and are committed with impunity in the context of maintaining Israel's institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination over Palestinians. These cases provide shocking evidence of the deadly consequences of Israel's unlawful use of force against

Palestinians in the West Bank. Israeli authorities, including the Israeli judicial system, have proven shamefully unwilling to ensure justice for Palestinian victims. In this climate of near total impunity, an international justice system worth its salt must step in. The Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court must investigate these killings and injuries as possible war crimes of wilful killing and

wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury. The situation in Palestine and Israel is a litmus test for the legitimacy and reputation of the Court. It cannot afford to fail it. Since October seventh, across the West Bank, Israeli security forces use of unlawful force during law enforcement operations has been unrelenting,

sowing fear and intimidation among entire communities. It has also been used to disperse rallies and protests held in solidarity with Gaza and demanding the release of Palestinian prisoners and detainees. Between October seventh and December thirty one of twenty twenty three, two hundred and ninety nine Palestinians were killed, marking a fifty percent increase compared to the first nine months of

the year. At least sixty one to more Palestinians, including thirteen children, have been killed so far in twenty twenty four as of the end of January, according to the numbers reported by OCHA. Israel has a well documented track record of using excessive and often lethal force to stifle descent and enforce its system of apartheid against Palestinians, leading to a historic pattern of unlawful killings committed with impunity.

In one illustrative case investigated by Amnesty International, Israeli military and border police forces use excessive force during a thirty hour long raid on nous Chem's refugee camp on October nineteenth. During the operation, Israeli forces killed thirteen Palestinians, including six children, four of them under the age of sixteen, as well

as arrested fifteen people. Israeli military sources quoted in media reports said that one Israeli border police officer was killed and n and nine were injured after an improvised explosive device was thrown at them by Palestinians. Residents told Amnesty International that During the operation, Israeli soldiers stormed more than forty residential homes, destroying personal belongings and drilling holes in

the walls for sniper outposts. Water and electricity to the camp was cut off, and soldiers used bulldozers to destroy public roads, electricity networks, and water infrastructure. Among those killed during the October nineteenth raid was fifteen year old Taha Muhammad, who was Raeli forces shot dead in front of his house when he came out to check whether Israeli forces

had left the area. Taha was unarmed and posed no threat to the soldiers at the time he was shot, and this is based on eyewitness testimony and videos that were reviewed by Amnesty International. A video filmed by one of his sisters and verified by Amnesty's Crisis Evidence Lab chose Taha walking on the street, peaking to ch for the presence of soldiers, and then collapsing on the street outside of his house after the sound of three gunshots.

Fatima Taha's sister told Amnesty International they did not give him a chance. They did not give him a chance. In an instant, my brother was eliminated. Three bullets were fired without any mercy. The first bullet hit him in the leg, the second in his stomach, the third in his eye. There were no confrontations, there was no conflict. An eyewitness told Amnesty International that when Toha's father, Ibrahim Mohammad, then attempted to carry his injured son to safety, Israeli

forces shot him in the back. A verified video filmed by one of Taha's sisters immediately after the shooting chose Taha's father lying on the ground next to him before limping away. My father raised his hands, showing the soldiers that he had nothing in them. He just wanted to take his son. They shot him with one bulle and my father fell next to Taha. I want to mention that one example, but many, many more have happened since

then and before then. Protests and solidarity with Palestinians and Razza have been held frequently across the occupied West Bank since October seventh. Some protesters have been seen throwing stones in response to the presence or forceful intervention of the Israeli forces. The iof's use of lethal force in response to rock throwing is not new, even if the rock throwing is done by children. In theory, lethal force and law enforcement can only be used when there is an

eminent threat to life. Its use is not a proportionate response to stone throwing. In another egregious case that happened on October thirteenth in Tokudam, two eyewitnesses described to Amnesty International how Israeli forces stationed at a military watch tower both at one of the main entrances to the town, as well as on the roof of a nearby home, and then they opened fire on a crowd about leekast eighty unarmed Palestinians who were peacefully demonstrating in solidarity with Gaza.

Two journalists who were at the scene separately told Amnesty International that they saw Israeli forces firing two tear gas canisters at the crowd and shortly afterwards opening live fire at them without any warning shots. The two journalists saw four people being shot and injured as they tried to run away from the shooting.

She described how the victim was suddenly shot and fell to the ground. The obstruction of medical assistants by Israeli forces during operations like this across Palestine is unfortunately a routine practice an Amnesty International has documented this for years, saying it is a part of israel system of apartheid. Under international law, Israeli forces have an obligation to ensure anyone injured by their forces is able to access medical treatment.

Amnesty International investigated five occasions where the Israeli forces hindered or prevented those who were seriously injured in demonstrations and raids from receiving critical medical assistance. They also shot at Palestinians trying to help, including medics tending to the wounded. During the raid I mentioned earlier on Nouschem's on October nineteenth, three eyewitnesses, including a paramedic on the scene, said two ambulances were stopped at the entrance of the camp and

prevented from reaching the injured. The witnesses said the residents were forced to transport the wounded to a hospital in private cars. Since October seventh, according to the UN, more than four hundred Palestinians have been killed, one hundred and seven of those being children in the West Bank. I also want to mention the settler attacks on Palestinians, not just by the IOF, because these settler attacks have also

become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seas farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed people, all without repercussion. The UN has recorded five hundred and seventy three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since October seventh, with Israeli forces the IOF accompanying them half of the time.

At least nine people have been killed by settlers and three hundred and eighty two have been killed by the IOF. According to these numbers by the UN, human rights groups in Israel and the West Bank allege along pattern of violence that has been enabled by the IOF. The army, however, of course, denies this. Human rights groups in Israel and the West Bank allege a long pattern of violence by settlers that is enabled by the occupation forces. The Army

of course denies this. As I mentioned earlier, the IOF has a long history of using unnecessary lethal force, and we're seeing that increasingly happen in the West Bank. I want to end this episode with a quote from the Israeli group be se them. They told the BBC. Since the beginning of the war in the Gaza Strip, Israel has continued to implement a lethal open fire policy in

the West Bank. Of the almost four hundred Palestinians killed by Israeli forces since October seventh, many did not pose a threat at the level that would justify the use of lethal force. With extremely rare exceptions that usually involve low ranking soldiers, no one is brought to justice for the killing of Palestinians. This reflects Israel's profound disregard for the lives and bodies of Palestinians.

know how you could help soon. Welcome to the show, both of you.

and we've heard a lot about those camps. Does one of you guys want to explain how things have changed since then, and really particular in the last six weeks.

were simpler like they were back then. Yeah, So at the end of the month of December, Secretary Blincoln made a visit to Mexico, and I suspect that he pressured the Mexican government to police our border for US. One of the immediate changes that we saw as a result of that was the foundation of two Mexican National Guard camps at two of the gaps that feed into those camps in our area, and that has basically stopped any people coming through those areas. This has not made any

less people come into the country. Actually, the numbers have been fairly consistent. It's just that people have been forced to go in through other areas. So there have been many many new oads that have popped up west of US. We have to drive quite a bit further into towards San Diego to go and service those areas, the main one being Sliders, which we're seeing about two hundred people come in sometimes in a night. It's not a good scene.

Whereas those three ones that we were originally servicing had dumpsters and porta potties at the very least.

said it was that way. And that was around the same time that Morgan had mentioned it to us. So it's you know, we kind of pulled it out of this agent because we were talking very nonchalantly with him and he was being generally nice.

the beach and like pleasant weather. But can you explain, like it's been really cold out here and pretty miserable right with the wet weather we've been having.

It's just to try and convince them that it'll be good for them to have migrants not be in a position to be forced to have to cut down the vegetation on their land and trash their land, and uh, you know, by allowing us to build shelters on their property and give firewood to the to the migrants that are being held on their property, it's better for them in the long run.

we're bank. Those are some products and services. Now we're going to talk about the way John being very local to hocumber right, how it is like organizing in a rural community, and the way that obviously you have people of very disparate political leanings in the area, and like how you've managed to like phrase what we're doing and to organize in such a way that the very least people aren't like actively pissed off at you.

very Unchristian. And when I do so, it's very hard for them to come at me with any of that stuff. But still yes, for the most part, the community over here have not been very helpful towards They have not been very enthused with all these migrants coming in, and you know, they've been very regrettably misinformed about it all. They're still looking at various crazy sources for their news, like YouTube channels and stuff like that, and it's kind of kind of hard to believe. It's like, you guys

live in the area. You can just drive straight out there. You can talk to me a person that you guys know, Yet you still choose to look up all these various whack jobs on YouTube.

credibility at that point. It's now doing border reporting for and this is like when I speak to people all along the border right here, Arizona, Texas. Yeah, the stuff that Fox puts out very strongly correlates with anti migrant sentiment, both both locally and with like these these folks coming in and streaming and they're always asking for donations, right, Like it's not a then they're they're not like advert funded or like publicly funded like that, they're funded by donations for what.

to do hateful things streams. Yeah, And I think like that as we get as we look between now and November, I think it's really important that like the border will be a topic that people who never come to the border will argue about constantly between now and November, right, Fox News will have reporting on it, NBC will have reporting on it, like and both of them will have reporting that isn't anchored on what we see every single day out here, which is whatever actual people from all

over the world who are having a very difficult time right here and need a help, right and we're doing what we can to help them. So I guess what, Like people who are listening to this will in the next I don't know how long it is to November, what six months, seven eight months, they'll have conversations with their family members, with their friends, with people in bars, whatever,

regarding the border. What do you think they should know about, like what we're seeing and like what the because there's this whole border invasion narrative, right, and then like this is not an invasion. We were just out joking with some people and helping them get the firewood prepped. Like these people know threat.

a humanitarian issue. Vast majority of the people that I've talked to have very legitimate reasons for needing to come into this country, whether they're from Ecuador, you know, you know the situation over there recently there were gangsters that took over a TV station, Or in Guatemala, where I spoke to a man who told me that his children with college degrees can make enough family money to feed

their families. Or even in Afghanistan where people have literally had the Taliban threatened their families lives.

blanket with me to warm her up. And it's just, I know it just for one reason or another, that was a moment where I was like, why on earth are we doing this to a three year old? Like what possible reason could there be? Yeah, this three year old girl to have hypothermia here in like the richest country in the world.

them and navigate the whole situation. Turns out she did have hypothermia. Yeah, but the ambulance would not take him along with the mother and the child to the hospital. So again it's another case of family separation. Who knows what might have happened. They would have gotten processed separately. He could have ended up in Louisiana and she could have ended up in Riverside or somewhere.

in modern tree organizations exactly. Yeah, despite the massive amount of money we spend on And we were just talking the other day about how they the architectural marvel of sections of the border wall right where they've poured concrete at like a forty five plus degree angle and spent millions of dollars for every yard of that, and we don't have enough money to give this three year old girl a blanket or to get that family back together.

at one seven seven. He was just so we we always go check this one camp because there hasn't been out since Squadi and Snal have put their camp on the other side, there hadn't been a whole lot of people crossing in this area, but we go check it periodically. In one morning, yeah, we saw this man hobbling towards us as we're driving down the road with a stick, and we're like, why is he walking like this? Pulled

over and he was bitten by a dog. He said he went to take a drink of water and some dogs attacked him, two dogs, I think.

in other people's lives. You don't really need to have much more than a good heart and a willingness to work.

how people can help? And then, like you said, I think I've actually got a lot out of this, and I feel more affirmed in my belief that we can look out after each other without the need to control each other, and like we don't necessarily need people with guns and badges to create a society that cares for people who need taken care of. And so perhaps you could describe like how people can help, and then what it is that you've got out of this that keeps you wanting to do this.

and we've all just been following her lead. Some people came up with the idea of having a cell phone charging station that was you, and it's just the list goes on and if you wanted to help, you could just come by to the border, come to one of these sites and just start distributing food or teaming up with us somehow, or by donating to the GoFundMe.

more time than others. But yeah, everyone I think is valued, and like you said, I think like we're the way that we organize without anyone, like we organized horizontally, has allowed us to be so much better. Like do you remember the day there was a day when we ran out of plates and we were like down in Willow and it was just it was like chaos. And then someone who just arrived that day was like, oh, what if we put the beans in a sandwich? Bag and

give people. That was actually Peter, who's back now after going on m Stringer for a while. But yeah, like if we had been like no, I mean we've been doing this for long and then those people wouldn't have got fed, right, But because we were willing to listen, then the people got fed, and like we were all happier because the people got fed, right, Like it worked better that way. So like as things change, because it

like it. Border patrol have said explicitly that they're trying to push people west, right, what do you think, like, what do we need going forward? What do you see like the situation being and like it's it would be good to explain the context of like the changing seasons here as well.

are coming through. There are a couple of new oads open air detention sites that are relatively close to us that we can't find even.

So like, I guess even we do appreciate people donating, and we understand that people's resources are scarce, and like the economy is bad and the rent is too damn high, et cetera. But like every time we build up enough stuff, we have to like we're always running uphill because like stuff just gets destroyed either by the by the weather or by the border patrol or by volunteer Border patrol judge,

Like we could, I guess, desperately need your help. And like at some point the news cycle will move on from the border, and that doesn't mean that we will be able to move on from having people to help here, right, because like John said, there were people and people always deserve to be treated with dignity. Is there anything else that you guys think that people should know about the situation?

that's not always the best reflection of humanity. So like it really means the world to me, and that someone like listens to this when they're driving to work or you know, going on a job or whatever they're doing, and it's like, no, I will I will go and I will help, because I think that is how we

solve so many of our problems. Like there is a massive problem with people not being able to afford rent living on the street in this country, and we solve it in the same way by just showing up for each other.

the resources, they can do that. They're already planned. But some people don't have any money, or they got robbed on the way here, so they have nothing. They need a lot of help. They need to figure out where to go. They need a place to stay. So there's the street releases, there's the airport, there's I think that's kind of.

there's paha Samaritans. There's no massive worthdays. There's humane borders to songs Samaritans as well. Right, yeah, all along the border, you know, there are the there are lots of good people in Texas, right it's a sidewalk school and Blintamoros, the people at the National Butterfly Center who are very nice people who we've heard from before, Like all along the border and like all around this country, there were there are things you can do to help, and I

want to reinforce it. It's not like this penurious thing we do that's miserable and we all get together and cry every night. Like we do have a nice time, even though we have seen some really stressful things. Like we all look after one another and hold space when people do need help or extra time to process something. But it's a very supportive community and we support each other through lots of other things, like aside from this, and I think a lot of people in general in

the twenty first century America struggle with isolation. And that's a thing that capitalism does to people, right, it isolates us from each other and so hopefully, like I think this is a solution for me. This has been a really positive thing, but like generally my sense of hope.

wheels somewhere else. Right, Like, you know, you can be an efficient PB and jamaker just like us.