It Could Happen Here Weekly 115

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Bucket we Ball, all right, yeah, Bucket we Ball, Welcome to it could happen here. We have a pretty sizable panel today. I'm Garrison Davis. I have been forced to watch many hours of daily Wire plus exclusive programming at gunpoint.

Uh huh.

My co hosts mostly Robert Evans, uh huh.

We are joined by Mia Wong. I was not involved in the kidnapping and what this is on the record. We have a sports consultant, James Stout.

Hello, Hi, I'm here to talk about sports.

That's right. And we have our resident, a subject matter ex for in basketball, Sophie Ray Lichterman.

I'm so afraid, so so.

How how many of you have seen it, at least the trailer for Lady Ballers? Because I'm assuming I'm the only one that's actually watched this movie.

I tried to watch through the trailer of Lady Ballers, and then I had a realization that my time on this earth is finite and precious, and so instead I went and looked at a cloud.

Okay, anyone else I saw part of the trailer. Do we want to watch a one minute trailer?

Yeah? Absolutely, yep.

Sure.

I haven't taken on in aus troll this week. Let's watch a one minute trailer.

Gear.

Okay, time to get black pilled. Let's do it.

I'm gonna subject the panel here to the Ladyballer's trailer, which then you'll hear their reaction, do you afterwards?

Jesus Christ. So this was mostly an excuse for them to like slow mo video of hitting women, right, Yeah, that was the primary reason for doing this.

Yeah, I didn't need to see that whole thing that was really upsetting.

The reason why I wanted to actually show you is because I'll never get that minute back.

As what I's it's not even like it's not even like offensive or triggering, it's just it's just poorly made. It's it's it's just not very good. And before we continue. I want to actually talk about why we're talking about this, because you know, whenever I say to my friends, Hey, do you want to come over and watch Lady Ballers, Everyone's like, why would you do that?

And the reason, Garrison I.

Saw this twice. The reason is is because I think it is actually important to know what your enemy is up to. It's important to see what they think. Good media is it's important to see how they are they are trying to shape the world around them, and I think fiction gets a lot closer to the actual outlook these people have than sometimes their nonfiction stuff like That's why Robert has done deep dives on on Ben Shapiro's

Can you stop sharing your screen? It's very distracting image.

Yeah, yeahs fascinating to see what Garrison gets recommended.

There is a screenshot of like all the like grab photos from a bunch of Daily Wire plus.

Unfortunately, I do have some slides to show the class.

I'm sure you do. Can you remove that one thing?

You know, Sophie, Sophie, Just just to bring this up, we have Garrison's address. We could swap them and put it into this.

I'm not gonna answer it. I'm not gonna answer that on a podcast. Yeah, yeah, silence.

I have this episode structured into three parts. The first one, we're gonna go into just a very basic overview of the plot so we have an understanding of what this movie actually contains. Then we're gonna go into the production of this movie because the actual behind the scenes a development of this film is also incredibly insightful. And then finally we're gonna go into jokes and ideology because these two things go hand in hand. Both of them reveal

Film to have himself in What is sad Man? We start in two thousand and eight.

He is he is incredibly boring, Sophie an excellent observation.

And tries to make himself look like Jordan Peterson as much as he possibly can, and it's quite disturbing.

Well, Jordan Peterson is now his employee.

So, my god.

We start in two thousand and eight. Jeremy Boring has a horrendous Tony Stark go tee which I'm currently showing the class on my side.

Oh no, no, that's that's a self harm level of facial hair.

Yeah, do you assume, man on, that's what's happening here.

Ah, Jeremy, No, you have to not do that.

Not good?

Why does it stop? Why is her little break?

I thought, that's not good, Like I said, a horrible Tony Stark level go tee. He is the coach of a high school basketball team who's about to lose the Tennessee State championships. The coach gives an impassioned speech in the locker room that ends with the team chanting the coach's motto quote, winners are just losers who win.

Unquote.

You hear this line throughout the movie constantly. Winners are just losers who win. This is a core part of how this movie operates. Now, the team's able to pull it together in the second half and coach Jeremy Bording leads the team to victory, becoming three time state championships. We then flash fifteen years later. Coach Jeremy is failing to keep the attention of the new generation who are too busy on their phones to learn basketball, and is

Okay, what the actual fuck do we know? The budget for this movie, by the way.

Not exactly, but it is not cheap based on how much they paid for casting.

This cost multiple.

Hundreds of hundreds of thousands of dollars. I wouldn't be surprised if they put a few million into this.

Yeah, So it's very funny that the part of the integral part of the play is one being angry about Big Divorced and not at all telling that.

Is a huge part of this movie is Big Divorce energy, which actually will play into the ideology of the film as well. So we have Matt wallsheer in a wig with man bun. He's wearing like a like a like like a burgundy button up dress, sitting on a manicured lawn with like rainbows, flags and stuff. Anyway, so this is this is who Jeremy was cucked to. Now Jeremy gets a new job at a restaurant that happens to be drag themed. No, there are no actual drag queens,

The why queen's doing continue this. You cannot question the.

Screen right, great, okay, good to know, thank you.

But the woman at the sign up table is luckily covered in trans pride pins and mistakes the former basketball player for a trans woman and adds him to the woman's division. With a little convincing and some fake boobs, the coach gets the player to agree to compete in the women's division. The guy easily wins every event in the track and field match, as the women competitors just

What else would the the made woman character do then be horny for Jeremy? Hoh the fuck?

The journalist is seeze through the coaches scheme, but proposes that they team up to create a national news story by having trans women or people pretend to be trans women compete in the US Open for the Global Games by exploiting their new diversity and inclusion clause.

Very funny that they think this is how this is a real thing. This isn't a real thing. This is they don't understand how journalism happens.

You don't.

You don't create the story like it is, very funny movie. He despises journalists. Well, that is how they do. Yeah, very it's very correct. They've revealed that they kind of didn't take journalism one o one.

No, the whole point of the Daily Wire is literally creating new stories themselves.

Yes, anyone what I've seen the next picture.

But to play basketball once again, they first have to put the old team back together. First, they recruit two brothers who own a used car dealership, and then they travel to Michigan to find another teammate who is living ted K style in the woods after being traumatized by an enemy team mascot as a teenager. None of us is explained.

They just wanted to do that trope. They just want they just want okay, yeap.

Needing one more team member, they recruit the desperately lonely gay coded towel Boy, who now owns a mansion after selling his tech company. After learning about the coach's plan to play in the women's league, the team is initially upset, but after another impassioned speech about winning from the coach, the players agree to join the Lady Ballers. The coach's daughter stops by to explain to gender identity concepts to them that she learned in school, like how women can

Because these like burnout old dudes are going to be better than every female at the encounter.

Yes, yeah, that's the it's the it's the joke about like I take the stage against Serena Williams, confident that being a man will allow me to beat her her past sales through my body and I die instantly.

Yeah yeah, now, this, this whole winning all of the sports section is conveyed through the classic cinematic technique of the montage, which is just as bad as you can imagine.

I have a clip from the montage here. It was you really ashamed given that the montage was invented famously by Soviet cinematographers.

Is now this was this was definitely a reference to this definitely definitely reference to Soviet era film. Absolutely voter.

You're showing me fake Joe Biden sniffing this person.

Yeah, it's like he's stiffing little Jonathan van Ness.

So this is this is this is the gay coated towel boy. Oh who was invited to the Houses International Women's by God, and.

We have jock and rubbing his shoulders.

It's called the Washington rag magazine. Democracy dies in print, very very.

Clear, really scything with insightful.

That's such a bomber garrison.

After the Lady Baller's way of success, the coach's ex wife confronts him about what he's doing and calls the Ladyballers not real girls, to the shock of her new woke boyfriend. Sorry, this is this is actually a really important scene.

Now.

The coach's daughter expresses to him that she wants to be a boy because she wants to be a winner and because quote boys are better at everything unquote, which the coach denies, but he does admit that are better at all sports as well as quote driving, parking, most of the stemfields, rock and roll, and opening pickle jars unquote. This is not played as a joke. This is played

Yeah, I mean that's how these yeah yeah.

He then God, He.

Then explains, So that's so boring, it's such a lame take.

He then explains to his daughter that the main thing that women can do that men can't is give birth, and that's the special gift from God. The coach goes home after his talk with his The journalist is waiting for him there. He's expressing concern about men competing in women's sports, but she rants about how divorce is evil and threatens to cancel him if he doesn't cooperate.

Garrison, Garrison, sorry, why is only one person in this screen cap wearing a wig?

That's a great question, Sophie, that never gets never gets explained.

Are you gonna show us some montage. I'm very excited to see you.

I'm not showing No, I'm not showing you my pirate my pirated copy of Lady Follers listeners.

There's like a screen cap from the movie and it's the entire basketball team and all all the men are not wearing wigs except one guy.

This is actually a different basketball team, which I will I will.

Get you one person wearing a wig. Let Let let me get to it.

The people get to it. This is this is very carefully structured plot, Sophie. You gotta understand that the genius of Jeremy Boring is scripting requires time to digest. So the Lady Ballers arrive at their final qualifying game, but instead of finding a women's basketball team to play against, the opposing team, the Cowgirls, is now suddenly all made up of extremely large black men accompanied by this female journalist.

Jesus Christ.

So this is the opposing team made up of I think it's just it's it's some college basketball team in Nashville, and oh yeah, only one of them is wearing a wig. It's it's all, it's it's playedoff as a joke. It is all kind of racist. The female journalist tries to assassinate Jeremy Boring with a sniper rifle, but missings because the coach happens to lean down to pick up a penny.

What yeah, abnormal Italian normal thing.

I mean this, this, this makes this this. This is the second piece of media release in the last few months where the lesson is always take a second shot. This is also the plot of Barvel's Echo The journalist stay, the journals got.

Close, Then suddenly the first player to join the lady Ballers comes out to the coach that they actually feel like a woman, but the coach convinces them that they are delusional and then assaults them in the genitals and walks away.

What the why? Sorry the next why are they like this?

Every screencap just gets worse and worse.

Yeah, that is a child. Yeah.

Right, Before the second half of the game starts, the coach replaces the Ladyballers with his daughter and her friends. The other team then helps the little because because they don't want their legacy to be replacing women in women's sports, so instead they instead, the coach uses his daughter and her friends to be like, look, women play girls playing sports.

But but that doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make any sense for the context of the movie. No, that's now, this is we're not moving past that.

What the fuck?

That's that's nothing. I love have angreed this fucking tagline, and they didn't take any time to make even even coh like.

Winners are just losers who do what's right because because the Ladyballers are the real winners because they admitted to losing its sports to do any right, which is to not lie about being women. That I think that's what they're trying to say, but it doesn't make very much sense. It's all very convoluted.

Yes, I mean, my my high school basketball coach told me to cry on the inside like a winner after my shoulder popped out of its socket.

But that's just good advice, Sophie. That's what I tell everybody on Garrison started getting traumatized by the Daily Wire.

That's what I told you.

My high school rugby coach just relocated my shoulder for me and told me to get on with it. So I'm glad that we both have shoulder trauma. This screen cap is just wow. Sorry, Garrett, please continue.

So after this what's played off as like a heartwarming ending, we cut away to a car parked from across the street looking at the kids playing basketball. Ominous music starts playing. It's Matt Walsh's character holding a long lens camera taking pictures of the scene. He takes his man bun Wig off, and Matt Walsh says quote another sweet Daddy Walsh ad venture comes to a satisfying conclusion, the camera zoom's back

We do have a post credit.

Actually said he actually yes, literally said another sweet Daddy Walsh.

Was the phrase Daddy Walsh used at any point previously in the movie.

No, because okay, previously Walsh was playing a liberal boyfriend. But we now reveal that was all that, that was all part of his scheme. This was all part of Matt Walsh's scheme.

Actually, Garrison, I'm I'm gonna need you to cut the audio for another Sweet Daddy Walsh ad venture because I think that will be something we can use a lot. That's that's closer, will I will?

I will ad that.

Here another Sweet Daddy Walsh Adventure comes to a satisfying conclusion.

What are you talking about? I don't understand how anything you did helped to make this situation better, don't you? But we do have a post credit scene. In the post credit scene, we see the basketball player that came out as Trands to the coach in the climax of the film, in conversion therapy, talking about their childhood to none other than doctor Jordan B. Peterson.

Fuck shake, Garrison, great, So why why are you doing this to us?

I'll say this.

It sounds like a movie, does it?

Does it?

Really?

Not a very good one?

Yeah, not a good one. But do you.

Know what is really good for all of us? Ad break taking? I think taking a quick ad break to digest and think about what we've all just experienced.

I kind of stream into the void. But yeah, all right, we are back. Wasn't that a fun?

A fun recap of the Daily Wires hit new movie Lady Ballers, streaming exclusively on The Daily Wire Plus. So let's go into the actual production of this thing, because this is also deeply revealing. So The Daily has a sports podcast called Crane and Company, hosted by two brothers who claimed to be former athletes. A few years back, Ben Shapiro approached them with the idea of making a documentary about them trying to join some women's sports leagues.

Man, I would have respected it if that had If that had been what they did, though, that would have been a different, different thing.

I will actually insert this clip here just because it's really useful to hear them say this, because they just admit the quiet part out loud here.

So you approached me and you said we should make a fictional film about this topic, now'd be fair. I think I'd actually suggested as the Grain Boys that they do this as a doc.

Yes.

I originally went to them and I said, you guys should like go try out for a bunch of ladies' leagues, And that became not possible because, as it turns out, most ladies leagues don't allow in actual men men, and they weren't willing to go at the full distance in terms of what it would require in order to you know, the actual hormone treatments and everything to play in some of the ladies' leagues.

But in any case, it turned into this. So there we go.

A very clear admission from Ben Shapiro that this entire premis is fake, that this I premis could never work, And so after disproving their own premise, what's left to do?

Well?

The CEO of The Daily Wire and failed Hollywood producer Jeremy Boring wanted to take this idea from Ben and just do it as a fictional movie, because fiction's arguably more powerful than reality. So for his directorial debut, Jeremy wanted to make something reminiscent of early two thousands comedies, and he was frequently rough frinst Dodgeball as aspiration for this movie.

Yeah, I'm not surprised.

Which is it to be fair? Is it insults to Dodgeball?

No, that's a that's an actual movie.

Contains some genuinely funny scenes, characters.

I think script like Vince Vaughan actually is a conservative, but he's also an actor.

I think Boring is definitely stuck in the early two thousands as culture because that is when he tried to break into Hollywood. So that's kind of what his idea of what movies are is. Very much is trapped in the early early two thousands. He has he has a quote from that interview with Ben Shapiro, quote, There's not been a true comedy made since Barack Obama became president. Obama destroyed three things comedy, rock and roll, and America. Other than that he was an average president.

Fucking hell own strikes on every fucking rock band.

That's it. Yeah, that's why he took a predictor drawing to Linen skin. It's house.

Only if only.

Jeremy Boring also remarked, quote, it became impossible to tell a joke in the Obama administration because Obama made a pact with culture shapers that they should change the fundamental understanding of themselves unquote, and he's talking about how comedy became a way to progress social change instead of a

Sounds right, yep, well that I absolutely believe. Did they use GBT? It is? It is?

It is possible. The entire production had to be very rushed, since Jeremy needed to be in Hungary in the beginning of July to shoot the Daily Wires New Fantasy mini series. But Jeremy says the biggest production hurdle wasn't budgetary or the very tight pre production and shooting schedule. It was the casting process. Every single actor they approached for every

They claim to have been like athletes, like high school or college athletes.

Yeah, this is a different thing.

Yeah, I can imagine Ben Shapiro was used as a football but as close as they.

Get, Bench Peary was the one on top of the cheerleading tower. He's a little guy. He didn't been good at it.

Yeah, we have we have Matt Walsh playing the hippie, woke husband. Daily Wire hosts Michael Knowles and Brett Cooper, both of whom are failed actors, play newscasters. Then we have Daily Wire hosts Ben Shapiro, cand of Sowans, Andrew Clavin and Jordan Peterson all have Cameo Roles, so I was able to excitedly point out all eleven Daily Wire employees to my friend as they forced them to watch this with me.

Still, so the.

Roder we have mental health care through the company, right, Yeah, we might need to get a fifty one to fifty on Garrison just for a couple of couple of couple of three day cycles.

Oh, they cleared this out of their heads.

I was actually disassociating and thinking about how one day I hope to cast all of us in a basketball movie.

A movie you mean, a movie about the actual time that I outshot Lebron James. Sure, yeah, that makes that makes sense.

So I've seen Robert send a pool ball about head height across a crowded once. I am sure it would be very similar.

That was just a brief demonstration of my power. James.

Yeah, now you redunked that pool balls. I mean Christmas to see.

I thought the worst basketball movie I saw was the one on Disney Channel where they had two twins that were basketball players but they weren't actually twins, and it looked nothing alike and it was just really really poor production and bad.

But this is it.

I thought there was basketball movie I've seen was Space Jam two.

But this this now, no, no, no, you loved that movie. You talked about that movie for so long.

It's not a good movie.

So it is really bad.

So Lady Ballers was shot in less than a month under the fake name Coach Miracle Now. According to reporting from the National Scene, background actors and crew were misled about the production before signing on to the movie, just

Sports is in parentheses.

By the way it is, it doesn't make sense as as a sentence. But casting extras kids, skilled sports and background for a misfit Team inspired basketball comedy Misfit Team.

Yeah sure, yeah, that's skilled.

God. I found there. I found they like the recruiting thing for the Coach Miracle project. Oh god, there's some terrible shit in here. I guess they seemed to want to start. It was supposed to be about t ball initially. Well there is there is.

There is a scene where when I see when the athletes start entering all of the women's divisions, they they do enter a t boll contest as well. That is that is that is during the montage.

I guess they just couldn't give up that great idea.

Despite the on disclosure agreement, local background actors in Nashville did come out and warn people about the production once they figured out the Daily Wires involvement and the movie's anti trans messaging. One extra, a trans man who unwittingly signed onto the movie, said that Daily Wire fans from around the country traveled to Nashville to be in the film once they learned it was shooting in Tennessee, and according to background actors, certain props and costuming were hid

Oh God, oh that scans so much Jesus Christ. Every one of these fucking guys.

All of them were all aspiring movie like American in Hollywood.

But they can't because they don't have any talent.

Yeah, aspiring is generous. Failed would be a failed failed.

We need like a public works jobs program for these people or something to stop them from doing this stuff, like have them I don't know.

We need to integrate. We need to integrate Hollywood casting agents with a system of suicide booths, and we need to put a sign outside those suicide booths that says Marvel Movie Backlot Casting or something like that. And when these people fail out, we just send them into the booth and tell them they got a great role. They're going to be the new Spider Man or whatever.

Describing Canadian Hollywood, you.

Are describing Canadian Hollywood. After after Ted Cruz has shot his cameo, he beat Jeremy Boring in a one on one basketball game. So that's a fun fact for you, Sophie.

It would be a comedy.

Fact for me because you love basketball, Yeah, but nobody needs That's.

That's a real case of the stoppable force meeting the movable object.

Yeah, it's Did they have the like low hoops? Do you think you know? The ones for children who can't jump up to dunk on an adult size hoop yet? Is?

There's a really good line from Jeremy in an interview that went discussing the production of this film. After shooting a wrestling scene with a professional stunt woman, Jeremy said that he was driving in his car on his way home and he thought to himself, quote, we're genuinely being terrible to women in the making of this movie, unquote, which is the most true thing he's ever said.

Yeah, bro, but he tried to he tried.

To justify it by saying, this is actually happening in the actual world, referring to men injuring children and little girls in sports games. Which isn't true. That that just isn't true. Grown men are not entering little league and assaulting little girls. That's just not happening.

Jeremy of the Ted Cruz basketball game, because Ted Cruz pass I have the ugliest jump shot that has ever existed.

I don't think he can jump, Yeah, exactly, he has. He has a one foot vertical at least I think, but he.

Definitely shoots like two hands like Jolty.

It's it's it's weird how much Jeremy in interviews has to like reassure himself that, like this quote, this movie is absurd, but it's only as absurd as the real world unquote, despite already admitting that the entire conceit of this movie, that that men can fake being trans to just win all of women's sports, is just divorced from reality.

It's not true.

Like you this, this doesn't happen. And now I will do one one final quote from Jeremy that made me really upset before we take a take another ad break, where he's talking about the thematic similarities in this film. Quote Tonally, the film is a lot like Dodgeball, but

Yeah, you don't get to. You don't get. You don't get to compare yourself to Armando Yanucci. If you've never written a thing which you didn't This was not This is not writing.

Holy upsetting.

I mean, I think the closest thing I can compare it to is the Disney Channel original movie Double Team to where the twins were not actually twins and the plot was bad.

Go ahead and don't google that Double Teamed.

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Oh my god, Sophie's showing me the picture from the Disney Channel movie. It does not look good. No, I will say it does look slightly better than lay, which isn't insane carrying the bar which is lying on the ground.

Lifetime's better.

Let's get into some of the jokes and the and the ideological underpinnings of this film. And I also just have a few others random fun facts I have here saved the the the the font choice for the opening credits of this movie, which is not very good if you if you look at the font for the Daily Wired Plus presents a Jeremies movie which is another title card is just a Jereimese movie, which isn't how you do title.

Cards for films. But whatever sentence.

No, we have just one minute into the film there is your mom incest joke between two brothers.

Every time you say something, it just fucking comes out of out of no way.

There's actually a lot of incest oaks in this movie. Why immediately we have like overexposed cinematography, the white circlip thing. It doesn't look good. We have this joke in the first few minutes with this gay coated uh TWL boy who's sniffing the sweaty towels from the other teammates during the during the opening credits montage, they put this horrible film grain filter on this basketball footage. I have I have a I have an example here. Just it doesn't

It's him doing a fucking Tim Robinson face.

Yeah, he does kind of have a Tim Robinson ad face.

Oh my god.

And we also during the opening credits, we have the great line introducing Jeremy Boring.

Very fun.

We have a we have a kids and their damn phones joke.

With with sure, oh, I'm certain.

With phone notifications being used as a punchline during a failed like impassioned speech. We have what was what was first a funny joke, We have a stealing catalytic converter joke, which is immediately ruined.

Ah ah, come on, it's offensive to Robert.

I will not stand for this.

My culture is not a costume.

Yeah.

The catalytic Converter jokes immediately ruined by turning racist by having the one black kid in the class drop his cordless reciprocating saw. The movie then acknowledges the racism by having the coach receive a phone call from his boss telling him that it's racist to tell teenage boys not to steal, which the coach justifies by saying the Bible says not to steal. In response, his boss fires him because you can't teach the Bible in school.

So that God, I wish it were. That is how.

That is how coach Jeremy loses his job. When picking up his daughter from school, the teacher standing outside is inaudible because she's he was wearing like six COVID masks. One of which says, quote, we say gay, and then the teacher goes into a coughing fit because Jeremy does not have a catalytic converter, and Jeremy just tells her to smile and wear makeup. Jeremy asks his daughter what they learned at school today, and she says that they had a moment of silence for the workers exploited by

Unquote based base child, base child rile children hate you, yo, divorces.

Just such a powerful day wild.

Lot of the movies jokes are just Jereby Boring's fake daughter saying like accurate, like academic level things, and that's just the joke, is that she's like right, Jereby has been coucked by a liberal hippie played by Matt Walsh, as we've said, who refers to the coach as my lover's former lover, which is which they play as an ongoing joke, and liberal Matt Walsh talks about how he likes eating bugs and vaccines to stay healthy. This is this is coded as a joke that vaccines keep you healthy.

Whal she's not a great actor.

Eating bugs and vaccine to keep healthy? Yeah, I did get that right, all right? Yeah, Now, while she's not a good actor, he is. He is a black hole of charisma. He can he can really only do deadpan delivery. So watching him try to play like a sincere hippie leftist is just like uncanny. But Jeremy plays the most divorced man ever, which she pulls off fine.

So is she acting in that role? I gotta give him credit?

Right?

What you know?

They say in front of Matt Walsh's house, we have these like fake we have these fake yard signs which I'm just gonna read quote in this house, we believe crickets are delicious. Silence is violence. Speech is also violence. No one is illegal, but Europeans coming to America was bad. Guns don't kill people. White people kill people. Also, trans rights are human rights feelings. Don't care about your facts. Pride Month is every month. Social credit scores matter in

I like that he just kept rights or human rights in there. Can't think of riff on it. It's just like human rights.

No one is illegal, but Europeans coming to America is bad.

So true, so true. Yes, this isn't more base yard side than the ones that like live people actually have. Yeah, you could have just outside of my house. Yeah, it wasn't very funny.

They are if the fact that like twelve people in this country eat cricket protein like it's it's such a they're a baby thing to be scared of, like you all eat lobster.

Go on.

I'm saying, you know, yard sides could be improved, is what I'm saying.

They couldn't even get like a cab on that, Like it seems like there's some really easy things.

They don't really have anything related to police in this movie at all.

Maybe that's what I'm getting mad about.

Jays at the Coach's new job at the drag themed restaurant Jeremy Boring has to like put on drag and then reflects on sexual harassment by saying, quote, I didn't know men could be so handsy. He then sexually assaults a female barkeep immediately after finishing that sentence, which I guess is like played as a joke, but he like he likes he like slaps of a female barkeep on

I think it's an interesting thing here too, with like the way that this, this, this kind of like this this has to do with also the like the why they're so obsessed with college campuses, but the way that they're like they're stuck in high school sports. Oh yeah, it was just like this powerfully American thing, like no one else in the fucking world cares about high school sports.

Like no one, I mean, real people don't care about any sports.

Wrong, the core of my existence, it is it is like a reactionary nostalgia like like it is it is. It is a very like like a hontological reactionary conservative drive.

I also want to point out that that laugh that Robert just did, the little evil laugh he just said, is what they were trying to go for at the end of that movie.

And I know, I know, look, look what they have to do to mimic a fraction of my power.

Spending millions of dollars the whole dog Shit Cast Dogship Basketball movie.

Mm hmm.

So, like many of the Daily Wire Zone staff, the the the cacharacter of the former high school basketball player was also an aspiring actor, but wasn't able to succeed because quote, it turns out white males of non exotic sexualities is the only ethnic group not being cast by Hollywood these days.

Unquote.

Yeah, man, I haven't seen a white guy in a movie in forever. Nope, just go to La No white dudes.

I love that.

Like one of the wokest movies of last year, the D and D movie still had a white guy as the main character, Like it's they're all over the place.

Not to mention a white guy sports movie, very uncommon, like, yeah, come on.

I just love the turn of phrase non exotic sexualities and then referring to that as an ethnic group.

Yes, that.

Makes the sexuality exotic.

We then have a joke quote I heard Disney was going to make the new Snow White a neurodiversion black lesbian unquote, which is just Jeremy being mad about the new Snow White movie because he's trying to make his own snow.

Oh god, yeah, that is it about cocaine. Uh oh probably mm hmm. I can see that. Divorced dad on cocaine'll be it'll be great.

Absolutely.

Yeah. I hate my kids and I love cocaine. That's the entire script.

When referencing white men, Jeremy says, quote, it wasn't that long ago when we were champions, winners.

Unquote.

I mean you never were, Jeremy.

Just learn how to cry on the inside like a winner like the rest.

Yeah, Jeremy, Yeah, there's plenty of white men who are champions at various things, just not you, because you're a fundamentally disappointing person.

When the coach is fighting with a woman at the track and field sign up table, the woman threatens him with a taser and says I will tase a white man.

Fuck all right, well really upsetting me? Please?

We then continue this is we have, we have, we have, Jeremy saying lines like do you know how much faster a man past his prime is than a female athlete and not.

Not faster, not like I'm sorry, I have been sorry.

We also have high school boys could run faster than world record of female sprinters on no, they can't stop. Like.

Also for just say you hate women, just say you hate women.

This is yeah, Sophie, you were actually you were actually stumbling across the actual ideological core of this movie, which is just hating women.

Yeah that makes sense.

Hating women, hating trans women, just being hateful. Yeah, yeah at sport and wishing you didn't suck at everything you try and do.

Yeah, they put they put a horrible digital video filter overall.

By the way, the fastest female marathon runner tickets, Essepha from Ethiopia, did it in two hours and eleven minutes, in fifty three seconds.

I will.

Give you to throw some random high schoolers at that record and see if they can beat it. I do.

I do hope that somewhere on the internet there is data of Ted Cruz is athletic.

Uh, go ahead, I.

Want to see Matt Walsh try to do a two hour and eleven minute marathon because his heart will explode.

But also I want to know Ted Cruz's times from high school.

That's got to be s yeah, yeah, yeah.

What kind of fucking track runner were you?

Yeah yep, yeah yeah yeah.

And they're they're right that, like the fastest males are faster, but the fastest male marathon is faster by like eight minutes, nine minutes.

Well, like testosterone is a massive performance enhancing druck.

Yes, but it's not like the way they're saying. We're like, well, any man could beat the best women. No, very few people can do a two hour and eleven minute marathon.

Yeah. Like, even when I spent most of my twenties being paid to exercise, I trained all the time with ladies who were also like paid to exercise right when we were. When I was racing bikes, I trained with women who are pro racers all the time. Women who are very good at sports are just very fucking good at sports. Like, even men who are professional athletes are gonna be on their level.

Most professional athletes can't do a two hour and eleven minute marathon. Only like people who are really fucking good at marathon.

Make sure you could lap this guy that is high school Ted Cruz, Yeah, magnificent.

So we have.

We have this reoccurring Joe with these two newscasters played by two of the daily wirehouses. Throughout all of the news footage, there's a horrible like fake like digital video filter just overlaid on the footage. It looks really ugly, and the newscasters keep saying brave and beautiful trans women, as if they're being forced at gunpoint to acknowledge that trans women exist. There is a few bud light jokes in there. We have a joke about Jeremy stealing most

I love the idea as well, Like before you enter the women's basketball game, you have to provide evidence of your menstrual cramps. In order to be able to compete, you have to provide empirical proof of cramp. Cramp inspector has arrived.

The journalist also says quat men are stronger, faster, meaner. Soon all of the best women will be men, cheating low life men.

But after after the.

First meeting between the journalists and the coach where they agree to work together, the journalist invites the coach home and Jeremy gets them doombed. This is this is This is a reoccurring bit in the movie that Jeremy gets femdammed by this journalist. I'll believe that I have I have a screenshot here Jeremy tied up in bed.

This yeah Jesus Christ.

Yeah.

When trying to get their old team back together, they learned that the one black guy from their old team was found dead with a hole in his head due to a laser from space. I think this is a Jewish space laser joke. It's not explained why. Yeah, wow, what is.

What?

I don't know. I can't say it's a joke there, Yeah, I have this information you do here? I can't. I can't. Do you think I feel like they had to take the anti Savaitines and Bucks need that a black man died?

Is that literally the whole joke?

And he was probably he probably got killed from a from from a laser in space, And why that is all the joke is?

That's okay?

Also, just looking at this screencap on this photo, why is it decorated with like urban outfitters like lighting because she's a journalist.

Oh yeah, Seffie, you don't have an outfit's room in your house. You didn't get one from the from the journalists in Union, No I was. I was not provided a Neon love light. Oh yeah, I got one of them. He's on. On my return from Syria, I get another one.

The movie is full of stock footage and a lot of royalty free music, and there was there was literally a Jeremy's Razors commercial shoved in the middle of the movie, alongside a whole which of the other Daily Wire product placement. If you didn't know, Jeremy Boarding started his own razor company after Harry's Razors dropped their ads on the on the Daily Wire, so he started his own razor company. He also started his own chocolate company, both of which

Yeah, there is that. I think you're right there.

There is a rape whistle joke, just a joke saying that rape whistles exist, and that's the joke. And then when the coach's daughter explains gender theory to the lady ballers, we get a fantastic series of shots depicting a gender conspiracy board red string connecting terms on a whiteboard such as demi boy, demi girl, paraboy, which I I actually like, paraboy.

That one's pood when you're a boy with a parachute, L TB T Q I A plus A, B, C, D E, F G, etcetera, et cetera.

We have the word panda as a term. I don't know what that means.

F ten heard of that one, f T M mt f.

A fab amab other non binary pan sexual saxo sexual, I don't know what that is.

They have one who just fox Anglo saxons.

Because of saxophone, maybe a saxophone.

I finally found a type of homophobia that I approve of. They have saxo sexuals. Stop at the center of the gender conspiracy board. They just have frogs, which is I guess in Alex Jones joke. But here is the picture of the gender conspiracy board.

Lots of the lots of the red string on this board just connected nothing, It's just red string.

Yeah, that's a bad conspiracy board. I've made a lot in my life and that one's not very good.

Sod.

Also, it's really lame to do it to make like a whiteboard, your your board, like get cut out pictures and bits of like text and stuff from from printouts and nail it to the wall, you know, like actually go the.

Extra mile, basic ass whiteboard.

That looks like something someone makes for a movie, not something a crazy person makes in the throes of paranoia.

Like come on, so I'm just going to speed run the rest of these.

Come on, hit me.

We are we're getting we are getting a little log.

Yes.

When one player asks what is a woman, another response by saying just shave your legs, tell each other how brave you are for things that require absolutely no physical courage, and don't be afraid to cry at work.

Unquote, yeah, all things I do as man actually about you are as I've established, crying the into like a winner.

There is a part of a part of their ongoing newscaster segment they get increasingly more racist costumes after being forced to go on two weeks of sensitivity training. Michael Knowles's character learns that they are quote a raging scoliosexual and also one and two thousand and forty eight percent Dakota. So he says, I know what it's like to overcome diversity, and then the other newscaster says that her old name

That's the thing, right, I just say, all these people who are suddenly so fucking concerned about women's sports manifestly do not give a fuck about women's sports. Right, correct. You weren't there when the prize money was shit. When people are being secretly assaulted by their coaches, you don't give a fuck. It's just a vehicle for transphobia and just a behaicle teansphobia and how much they hate women.

During their first game, the lady ballers keep whispering in the ears of the players from the other team that they're lesbians, some of whom are revolted, some of whom are turned on by this. Referee Ben Shapiro, in a cameo role, Oh good, says keep it clean, keep it tucked to the players as they start their first game. The game is full of constant fouls as the male players just flagrantly assault the other team. The stands start to fill up the longer the game goes on, and

Oh sor the guy doesn't look very familiar with the ways and means of wrestling.

No, the two brothers enter a woman's shower together and say one small step for dudes, one giant leap for lesbians. The joke is that men are gonna sexually assault women, I guess, which again is only more revealing about how these guys think about women. During the victory montage, almost all of the basketball gameplay is just the men assaulting women. We have lots of fowls and slow motions, shots of like men's dicks and crotches colliding with the female players faces.

Yeah, yeah, most of the footage that I'm sure boring watched over and over again. In slow mom.

We have a lot of dead naming jokes. We have one transage joke about how the towel boy can now relive childhood as a girl and compete in girls Little League baseball, in which he gives the eight year old picture a concussion. There's a joke about how girls have sex with each other at sleepovers, which leads to an incest orgy. That's that's just a reoccurring side plot, is this incest orgy joke?

Oh my god, Jeremy.

Boring says to his ex wife when his ex wife is complaining to him about all of his deception, he says, my former lover the turf. And that's that's played as a joke. Here's more of these increasingly racist costumes.

My god from vocals and for sake and fucking stop, oh my god, pretty man.

Fuck So yeah, wow, Garrison look so embarrassed for these people.

Yeah, they don't look like they're having fun.

They just.

Uh anyway, I have I have a few more of the incest jokes written down, but I don't think I need to read them.

Yeah. The journalist character constant.

All of the journalists throughout the film, including these two newscasters and the main journalist character, constantly make fun of and insult people who have kids. This is like the Daily Wire making some point about how like journalists hate families. I think it's.

Kind of un because they pay us like shiit so like we're all too poor to have children.

So that's that's all the jokes. Now I'm gonna get to like my actual end thesis on des No, but I think I.

Think you do have a good theory there that like this is this might be set up to start like a Matt wash some kind of like cinema.

Because we have the final shot of Matt Walsh actually orchestrating the whole thing. Anyway, So the actual ideology of this film is that men are better at almost anything that requires skill, but women are maybe better at like emotions, and they can make babies, and that's the one benefit to being a woman. This belief was paraphrased in the movie itself by the journalists character saying, quote, boys and girls are different, but at least girls can have babies.

I mean, I will say I think they've done a good job in they've they've created a companion piece to Whipping Girl, where if you need to explain to someone what trans misogyny is, you just show them this movie.

Yeah.

Yeah, all right, Well, yep, I think we've said enough about it.

Was that was a fun hour and fifteen minutes.

Yeah, I have to talk about that again.

Thanks for ruining my day, Garson.

All right, everybody, enjoy the Daily Wire. I guess buckety ball.

Hello, everyone, welcome, TA could happen here? Focusting. I'm enthusiastically introducing for the third time because I've just sounded so half fast the first two times that I've made myself do it again. I'm joined by my friend and your friend, Sharene Lannie Unis Hi, Serene Hi.

That was lovely to witness.

Yeah, wasn't it great that I really put on my podcasting boots and you know, went back to the podcasting pace to do another day in the podcast minds and it's beautiful.

Beautiful, Thank you for having me. Happy to be here. Yeah, that's that's all I have to say.

As you can tell too, content creators who are excited to create content. I'm glad we're not on Twitch. We would we would be uh, we'd be in the poorhouse. Oh yeah, it's like eight hour streams can't do it all right, So we're not here to talk about how how have we been in the podcast minds for too long? Today we are here to talk about clothing in the cold. Why are we talking about this? Because right now it's it's record cold all across the US. It's very, very cold.

No, I don't know who Mark Twite is. But I'm looking at the same document you are, and I read his name maybe six times, and every time it was Mark Twain, and I was so confused.

Yeah, it's it's Mark legendary mountaineer. Mark Twain is equally good for you know, if you're going on a boat down the Mississippi River or climbing a mountain exactly.

But no, I don't know who mister twit is.

Mister twice. It's a famous mountaineer. He's good at climbing mountains.

Oh that's cool. That's cool to be famous for that.

Yeah, I know. Yeah, a boy can dream, like maybe maybe in another life I'll not have to podcast, not just be able to raise fluffy animals and climb climbing a mountain sheep. Yeah, that is the dream, you know. Every year, every time I don't want to sit down and write my book and think about the amount of livestock I could possibly purchase it, but lots of lots

Nice, that was good.

Yeah, I know, I am a professional podcast guy. So you basically there's the thing unx your skin right, and a lot of people I think this is where like people say, have you heard the phrase cotton kills? No? No, yeah, you've not heard that.

Okay, I have not heard that. I mean I'm glad you're making an episode about this, cause like most of the things I've learned about keeping warm have just been

But yeah, totally, like I know, like for a lot of un housed people, for instance, like you'll get donated a lot of crappy cotton t shirts. But those are terrible, right, the little gaps in the cotton, they get wet and they stay wet, and it is much worse to be cold and wet than it is just to be cold. Right, And these the whole system of clothing designed by Mark Twhite, Mark Twain's brother Mark White. The idea is not to keep you dry. The idea is to let you dry

Sheep are sheep fire proof?

Yeah, I mean I think obviously high enough temperature would still be fatal for them. But yeah yeah, yeah yeah, when we don't respect the.

Sheep enough, very powerful ability.

Yeah yeah. There's not even a sheep pokemon that could like Pokemon.

As you said that, I was like, what a good defense?

Well yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone send me a picture of a sheep Pokemon that you've designed, and I will describe it on the podcast. It's unfortunately not a visual medium, but I'd still like to see your sheeps, right, so will it's flame retarding. It's very useful in certain lines of work. It's not so important for other people. But I will say that, like even sitting around the campfire, it is actually really shitty if your clothes melt to you.

Describing a piece of clothing.

It looks like cloth, all right, We're going to be fucked for the next hour or so.

But what am I looking at it? It's like it look kind of like textured or something.

So it's like this, yes, yes, it's ribbed. Leave we've just moved right past that. It's it's ribbed, and that's to allow like the little bits that touch your skin keep you warm. But then the channels allow for it to breathe right from monastor to move away and walk away from your body.

So that's that's the synthetic hybrid or.

This is synthetic. It's spandex and polyester. It's got this like it's very thin, you can see through it, but it's also very warm, by a company called Beyond Clothing. I would caution people again, it's having too thick if you're planning on actually hiking or being active or like, you know, let's say you work in construction, you work in agriculture. Maybe you just have a job you have to go to remote places. You're a doctor who has to treat people at remote places, or you win turbine engineer,

Right, So if you're oh, well you think of everything.

Drop your trousers, put those on. Because taking your boots off in the snow and then hopping around.

No, I mean it sounds very impractical. So that's cool they thought of that. That's very smart.

Yeah. Yeah, it's a nice Uh, it's a nice Yeah.

Yeah.

But yeah, those waffle ups, you can get them super cheap everywhere online. I would caution people against getting it can be easy to find, like a thing where it's got like a waffle back air and a soft shell front and it's like your windshell, your rain shell. But those are really warm, and they're really big and bulky, and it's quite hard to wear them if you're actually

Let's do it.

We're back, so Charene's voice, and we are talking now about the other part of keeping yourself warm, which is static insulation. This is the big warm jacket. Everyone likes your happy jacket, the one that makes the cold go away. Right. The deal here is that like a big puffy jacket is pretty crappy to wear. Again, if you're moving with any intention, right, like, unless it's seriously like arctic cold, then it's hard to hike or climb in a big puffy jacket. So what this guy is for is for

Right.

Where that stands out is like it can get wet and you can generally like baby it a bit less, but some pack down as well, and it is tend to be heavier and you don't get feel power, but you do get feel weight. So if you're the jacket I use is synthetic because like I like to shovel in my bag and sometimes it's wet or like sometimes it gets a bit wet, right, I just I don't like to have to like try and baby it so much.

I didn't really want to ask because I don't really need to know more than I already do because I don't buy that stuff anyway. But do they are there birds that die exclusively for their feathers or at least do they die for meat and their feathers?

I think they die exclusively. I'm sure they are eaten, but they are raised like the commercial product is the feathers basically because they kill them much younger. Yeah, it's shitty. There are like ethically sourced downs, which I think if you know, if you're a consumer of animal products, For the most part, I avoid than most of my wall

Also, you're not like shearing wool is different than plucking feathers.

Yeah, well yeah then killing an animal to Yeah, there's a distinct thing going on there. So yeah, I prefer not to have I have a few down jackets that you know, but I keep them baby and look after, but for the most part I use the Generally, these are called ballet parkers, the sort of static insulation layer because when you're balaying, when you're climbing, right, you don't put them off for climbing, but then when when you're

So is it true that you can lose like heat from your head and you're or like I've always heard that like if you wear a beanie you can stay warm better. Is that not true?

Yeah, I mean you can lose heat from your head and so it's a part of your body.

I mean, okay, I know technically that makes sense. Yeah, but yeah, it's like you lose mom thing to say to their kids where it's just like cover your head, don't go out when your hair as.

We Yeah, you can lose heat from any sort of exposed surface. Area right and insulated part of your body. I think sometimes people overestimate their role played by your head. Like you know, people say you lose ninety percent of your heat from your head. This isn't true, right, This is why we don't climb mounta into like fur hats and speedos. Like you, you do want to cover your head when it's cold, and it can make a big difference,

I don't know. Okay, but that's enough.

Yeah, okay, a buff is a trade name a buff globle thunder.

Yeah is a great suggestion. Good job?

Yeah?

Yeah. I have a kafa that I've worn up and down many mountains. It's really nice because if you tuck it into the neck of your jacket kind of blocks or the wind gaps, and then it's already warm because it's it's been inside there. So when you go from jacket to sleeping bag, you just wrap that guy around your shoulders and then it's you're warm. Multi purpose I love. And also if you have a kafia, you can use it to prefilter water, right because you want to get

No, not at all, Thank you.

For bet honesty. That's good. If you imagine like that, like I have a tube, right, it's a linear tube like a cylinder, and then I put it on my waterproof fabric, right, I put my waterproof fabric at the bottom of the tube, and then I put one milimeters of water. It doesn't do anything. Two mil three meals for adding until until it pushes through the fabric.

So that's that's called like a pressure.

What do you go, Yeah, that's a pressure. It's sometimes expressed in pounds per square inch as well.

Okay, cool.

It's useful if you're like skiing or snowboarding, like safety of your skiing or snowboarding badly and you're going to spend a lot of time like sat in your ass then, or you know, otherwise working in snow, like kneeling in snow. That's very handy. There's also a statistic which is probably more useful. It's the millimeters of rain in twenty four

You with a group of like people just that are wearing these kinds of clothing and just like you judging them quietly.

That's me every day, Serene, every day when you see me, I'm judging people for their outdoor clothing. It just it just happens inside my head. It's my inside voice. I'm happy that people are outside, and I just want them to have a comfortable, enjoyable experience.

That's a good like thing to focus on if you want to make sure it's like not a fashion jacket versus like utilitary and whatever. You know, like is it going to actually be helpful or are you just gonna look cool?

Or is it going to do both? Yeah, you can do both, Like you should feel good in what you're wearing, and wear things that make you feel happy about yourself and your body. And however you want to appear is fine. Like I don't give a fuck, just want you to be comfortable and safe.

But he will judge you.

That won't judge you. I would judge you if you're doing something that might put you in danger or someone more accually, like you can put yourself in danger in it, and I don't care. Like, if you want a free solo, fucking have it, but don't put other people in danger without their consent. I guess which you're doing if you go outside, because someone has to come get you if you get in trouble out there, and that's not a risk free endeavor. Right, returning from my judgmental character to

But we still love our jobs.

We do love our jobs, Yeah, we do. I do enjoy my job. I like my job. I just I want you to have nice jackets and not Rounald Reagan commemorative coins. So here's some adverts. We're back, and yeah, we're going to talk a little bit more about waterprop jackets. I think it's important. The other thing you want to look for, right, So your your tape seems are good. And then I like to have mechanical venting, which.

Is yeah you mentioned that earlier. What does that mean?

So this is these vents that I can open where as opposed to venting through the fabric, I want to vent through a zip that I can open up. Right, So, like I'm wearing a puffy jacket right now, that's a mechanical vent, right. Why am I saying that jacket? Charene can see me, No one else can. It's like the sixth sense. I'm a dead person and Scharen is the only person who can see me that.

Is, can I just get that straight? So just unzipping your jacket counts as mechanical venting.

Yeah, so like if you have a nice waterproof jacket, it will have pit zips.

Okay, got it? Just what a fancy weight just to say unzipping some.

Well yeah yeah, okay, well because you but you want like this, This is not right If I unzip and it's a pocket inside, that's not mechanical venting because zipped.

A chest pocket. For those listening, everyone.

Yeah, welcome to the podcast. But I do stuff, and Charene tells you what I do. Yes, pockets are not mechanical vents. Right, but you went away. So you've got pit zips. Some of them will have chest zips ways to force that hot air out and allow breathe ability to happen. Right, So I like that in raine jackets. And then I also like a hood right because it's having a wet head isn't fun. So this is this one. I liked taber hood and the billet Parker. I like

Also, if you're layering, that would make sense anyway.

Right, yeah, definitely, And you want to have your water proof cut. So it can go over your stuff, right, because if it rains, you just want to chuck that thing on. And likewise, you want to have that big ballet Parker cut so that it can fit over your other layers, right, because again you want to be able to chuck it on as soon as you stop. And your windproof jacket too, so you can use it to protect your more expensive you can even I know people who do the windproof jacket over the gortex just to

Does it look different like the Does it look like shiny?

Yeah, it looks a little bit shiny, but like it's not bad. And if you do it like better than me, then then it won't look as shiny. But can you can I can see that. No, it's not bad, it's not it's kind of fun that maybe other people do other things for fun, but I kind of like it. You get a hair dryer and you grab the wax on and then you melt it in with the haair dryer. That's what I do on Saturday nights. Insight into my life. So the last thing that I wanted to talk about

Adone else that has it? Noah, like yellow right now? I mean not yellow if I press them get yellow, but like it's well, my feet and hands are always cold all the time.

Yeah yeah, yeah, same, And it's miserable. I hate having cold hands.

Literally, look at this. Wait, I just bought these recently. These are electric hand warbers. Oh wow, trouble and I keep them now. I just walk around with these all the time.

It's great.

Yeah, it is nice to have warm hands. And if you too, if you're a fellow hands cold, there there are some things you can do. I think sometimes people wear really thick gloves that stop the hands moving and that doesn't really increase circulation, or they'll have cold wrists and then it's kind of there's like a temperature. You know that blood's getting cold or it's in your hands. So I found like having a base layer or a midle,

I feel like or maybe I just imagined having one.

I can't.

You can't figure out what our memories and what are memories anymore? But I love those kinds of mittens.

Yeah, maybe I'll make gum that you'm shreen w James.

Yeah, I can't believe you have How did you say in British boys mittens? No reightouns rain rainers?

How you say it reno? They're French. I'm guessing. Yeah, yeah, I think mine. Maybe I don't know, Maybe it's just from being naturally cold, but holding onto the handlebars of a bicycle racing over cobbles has really fucked the circulation and sensation in my hands. Yeah, the same thing that happens if you work a jackhammer, wows get cold.

Yeah.

It's good, not good, not good for the human and body to do any think that much outdoor research make a good glove system, but they only make it for the military and they won't sell it to you, which is lame. Yeah, there's a lot of like so one of the reasons that some of this surplus clothing comes up is because it's designed as a system, which is good. Right, it's one piece designed to work with another piece, and like, for instance, Patagonia makes a protective combat uniform for the army.

I have a sock system, but it's not you're it's not anything about this tell me about Yeah, well, my feet are always called this is not a sock, but I do wear this in my house.

Oh wow, Charene is showing me. Uh, it looks like it's kind of a moon boot but made of fluff. It looks like a Yeti's foot.

It's very more. I don't wear shoes in my house, so I either always have those slippers on or socks. But my sock system is these socks can never mingle. I have outside socks, I have house socks, and I have bed socks, and those socks remain in their sections. An outdoor sock cannot come in my bed.

Does that make sense? It does, And I'm fascinated to learn. When we start recording, I'm going to inquire more about Charine sock collection.

Yeah, very interesting to me anyway. Yeah, that's eroticism. But I think so the same thing with gloves, you're saying like they should be layered.

Yeah, I mean with socks, I think the big thing is to like not always be trying to I think people want to wear like a big thick wall sock because it's cold, and then if you're kind of crammed that into your same boot, you're going to restrict circulation. You're not gonna be able to move your feet, right. So what I would do instead is I either have a couple of pair of thin socks or use a warmer fabric, so like Olpaka wool is very warm for

And well, you wear your feet for that kind of weather.

They get really cold, just gor text boots and I wear the same boots for almost everything unless it's like jungly if you're going to get wet, like Goratex's boots suck right because they take forever to dry. So like, if you're in the jungle and the water is going to come over your boots, then you shouldn't wear gortex boots if you're not I have some. You like to know exactly what boots I have? Sure?

I mean we're not sponsored though maybe no?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get some of this ship for free when I was working in the outdoor industry, but no one's paying us to say this. I have Solomon quest for D.

I think I have Wait, I have those? No, which ones do I have? I did like a bunch of research a couple of years ago when I got my new hiking boots. I feel like I have the Solomons or those were the ones I no, no, no, I do have the Solomons because I returned the other one that everyone likes the witches. What's it called hokahs.

The whole focus. Oh yeah, No, Hogas make lovely running shoes. I'm not. I don't have a preference for I.

Think there were. I mean I just didn't understand the hype. So I remember switching over to or returning those and getting the Solomons. Wow, look at us.

Yeah yeah, Team Solomon over here, they're vegan too.

Oh I didn't know that.

Yeah, that's if you have leather boots, you can snow seal them around this time of the year, but then there'll be a bit less breathe, a bit more waterproof. But yeah, consider not overcramming like thick socks into boots of the same size. If you if you're going to get a specific pair of winter get the assize bigger and then you could wear a thicker sock. I would probably do that before I went to an insulated boot. Until it was really cold, like arctic stuff, you don't

We talk for an hour about cold serene.

I didn't think we'd keep it under an hour. Wait really, yeah, No, I've been draining my whole life for this shit. Like I love. I used to like my whole job used to be to tell people what to wear and take with them when they go outside. Wait really, yeah? Outdoor industry journalists who are years how I started my little when I was little baby journals the expert here, little baby journalist, I wrote, I don't think I'm an expert, but I will say, well, I'll tell you what. There's

I was looking for tickets to Alaska yesterday. Actually, yah, I want.

To show we're talking about Alaska.

Yeah yeah, we talk about lights.

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, go get after it. But I don't really support moving to Alaska and colonizing people's land because I shouldn't do that. Don't don't do extra colonizing. I'm already doing enough. Feel bad about it. But so yeah, I would suggest people take those reviews with a pinch of salt. There are websites like gear Trade where you

Well, yeah, thanks for having me for this. I learned a lot.

Thanks for joining me, Sheriene and sharing with me your sock system.

I mean, yeah, that was really intimate. No, I think this stuff is like underrated how important it is. I feel like, I mean, like, unless you're always outdoors and you're like you're an outdoorsy person, I think you wouldn't know exactly the best way to keep warm. And it's good to know, like what will actually help someone if you want to, I don't know, donate stuff to them.

So yeah, we have been plagued with donations of really shitty blankets. For instance, it's no one's fault. I genuinely understand that people care and like it. I'm so proud that people want to help, and it makes me so happy to see people taking the money that I know none of us have enough of and buying stuff. But like, for instance, a thick wall blanket is going to do so much more than two or three very thin micro

Elections. No, we're not talking about those elections. This is it could happen here. We're talking about a bunch of other elections and how fucking terribly they went. I'm hosts me along with these James stout.

Hi, Mayah, I'm stoked. I do love a good election. It's great to vote for people.

We are kind of talking about elections today, but the thing that we're actually talking about is what has happened to the left since twenty eleven.

And anyone who was around eleven.

Twenty thirteen, and like any time after that, one of the arguments you got constantly was Okay, so twenty eleven, you have occupy, you have to movement to the squares. You have these mass millions of people like assembling in squares and trying to do direct democratic stuff and you know, figuring it out and making it work and not working, and you know all the complicated and messy things that

I'm so excited. I'm so excited to hear yet another attempt at making the world better than in fact failed.

Yeah.

So, okay, there's actually two places we could start here, So I'm gonna let you pick. Do you want to start with Sars or do you want to start with Podemos.

Let's start with Podemos.

I do.

I do enjoy a good Spain. It's been reading about the another round of exhumations today, so I do love a country that has banked into its constitution amnesty for people who did fucking mass and Expain has more mass graves in anywhere apart from is it rwand or Cambodia. Cambodia. Cambodia is if you only beat Spae from Spain for mass graves.

Yeah.

A country which I cannot say enough has not finished as civil war and remains a post dictatorship and will until it recovers. Allows people whose fucking parents and grandparents were murdered in the street to recover their remains and grief for them. Sorry, I thank you for me to my ted. No, no, this is good.

Well and I mean, and part of the context of this whole thing is that this is one of the underlying things that causes the enormous uprisings in Spain twenty eleven. They have one of the biggest I mean actually literally One of the reasons occupy happens is that there are specific people who are in like actually, we fucked up with to Vicky Asiwell on the show about this, like

Oh yeah, I was in Catalonia when this stuff started.

Yeah, and like and that's one of the things that that brings Occupied to the US is people who were there for that being in the US and like being in Siconti Park when occupy started, and so you know, they have they have one of the largest and most powerful, like anti sterity movements, like anywhere in the world, is very well organized. But one of the things that happens in this is very quickly there's an attempt to hijack this because people see the number of people who are

They're they're they're.

Influenced by like like they deliberately call themselves post Marxists, like left populist philosophers. They're their model is Perhnism. It is a shit show. It is a catastrophe. Like every single party who's ever tried their strategy of taking power has failed, Like left populism as an elect as specifically, like this kind of left populace at a strategy has a worse record for taking power in Europe. Then left wing military coups like it's that.

Bad to be fair, left wing mandatary case rarely succeed at the ballot box.

They means, they're they're they're a more effective way of getting into power than this this fucking left electoralism shit. So for people who don't really remember, Potamos was like the like them and Sergi were like the thing in like like post sort of like post occupier like and in that moment of like, these are the like the big like left like electoral successes. These are the things

That's it.

That's the whole thing. They're gonna pull together a bunch of leftist groups, They're going to win elections. Did they ever win a single election? No? Zero, The entire type it has bid says I of Pootabos.

It has been what like thirteen years.

They have lost every single election in a row.

They were in the they were in the Sanchez coalition government with the Faciliyah.

Yeah, well so this is this is the other interesting thing is that put the thing that Potamos is like thing right originally was well they had this whole sort of one of the things that was very popular in their early twenty tens was this whole like oh, we'll have a political party, but it'll like take like it'll it'll take its policy from these direct democratic assemblies. Those

I will always stand anyone who digs up Franco's rotting corpse and flies it across the country. That's those ritten.

But they're also like that's mostly like they they're they're they're they're also I mean, they they've they've kind of been forced to go a bit to the left, like by Podemos and like by the sort of transformations that happen. But they're also just like a bunch of dealerble ships. Like they're like, literally, this is one of the parties that Podemos was formed to run out of power, and now they're just you know, they're just a permanent like

Day what you say a politician and left the jacket. You fucking run, yeah, you run a mile peak. Dad's trying to look cool energy.

He he has retired from politics. It just abject failure because nothing ever fucking worked. One of the one of one of the big things that, you know, one of the big recent things that Pidamos did was help the Socialist Party crush the massive wave of metalworkers strikes that swept Spain in twenty eleven.

In twenty twenty.

One, so great stuff happening there like they're you know, they're not literally fascists, and that's that's their selling point.

Uh.

They fucking lose every election and they yeah, ran, ran, ran the social movements into the ground.

Yeah, it's a They literally had a thing, didn't they, Like, Yeah, they're their men. Their initial manifesto was like to convert indignation into political change, and like the movement that began the occupation of the squares in Spain was called the indignats or indignaos in Catalando Spanish. Like the whole thing was like two channel this energy into a process which is literally designed to stop shit changing.

Yeah, and you know, guess what, it didn't fucking change. They lost every election. They've never wanted an election. They're never going to wait an election.

Yeah, remain in the street to my Spanish friends and Kathlan friends and Basque friends and Galician friends and other friends in Iberia.

Yeah.

So all right, moving on to so, you know, we talked about how Spain had one of the biggest like movement into the squares type things. Greece I think technically gets the honor of having the first post two thousand and eight uprising, which was actually not an economic thing. It was the cops like murdered a fucking kid and people just lit shit on fire like it was. It was fucking wild.

It was.

There's a quote about like those first protests that I always I was thinking about in like the height of twenty twenty, when I was watching that guy in the elbow mask with a molotov like, which is you know that those first protests it was people. It wasn't It wasn't a people were trying. People wen't try to build a political movement. They just wanted destruction.

Because yeah, yeah, they were angry and they wanted to ben shit down.

Abject abject fury at the cops just murdering this child, and partially also they murdered this kid like in in Xarchia, which is like Greece's anarchists like neighborhood. So yeah, terrible idea by the police.

Terrible thing.

Greece has repeated massive protests. One of the reasons they're having these protests is that Greece is forced to accept these like crippling austerity measures by the Troika, which is this group that was running the bailouts in Europe, composed of the International Monetary Fund, the European Central Bank and the European Commission, which is basically the executive branch of the European Union with reps from all of the EU countries. And the product of this is that the only faction

Yeah, this is when like the European Union became like what Germany says we do, especially from guide to this stuff.

In the context of these massive protests, Greece elects Soresa, which is supposedly this left wing party that is going to you know, the specifically the mandate they were handed was stop the austerity and literally they are in negotiationd

Up a bunch of Nazis.

And when I say that, I literally they vote. I think it's ninety seven percent of their members voted for the Golden Dawn, which is like the Greek neo Nazi Party. Yeah, and like so many of these people vote for the Golden Down that they can be considered like a significant part of the total of the Golden Don's base.

Yeah, perhaps more importantly of its like street fighting element that yeah, that kills anti fascists, right.

Those guys, like the Golden Down eventually comes apart because they ordered the assassination of an anti fascist rapper from parliament and then had the guy killed. Yeah, yeah, just fucking batch it. And those are the people who the Greek police are supporting. But Sarge Sarsa needs them because they need the police to smash the anti serity movements to stop people from like knocking off their governments and

Yeah, it's probably worth like stopping to note here that like fearmongering around migrants has been the thing that has moved like straight up fascists into power in much of southern Europe, right like Italy and Greece, and like even if you're not a person who lives at the border, like this ship is absolutely like the playbook that the fire right is using all over the world, absolutely using here right now. And we have an election. You're here, and like you owe it to the world to correct

They replace this with fucking h just being another party that imposed Austeria.

Yeah, like, no, no one's replaced that guy. He's still h he's still but as.

As as they replaced the political movement that produced this guy, yeah, with like just just genuinely the greatest glowdown in human history. Just terrible stuff.

Yeah, it's it's very sad. It could have been a wonderful thing. There are still like Greece has still a very strong and and and uh like a respectable anarchist movement. I'm trying to get over there to they squat large areas of housing for migrants to like allow microslip in it. And it's extremely based and I'm trying to get spend some time forgot to mention this.

So they also do this in Spain, and so I've talked about this on the show before, but I actually mentioned it here since we're doing this. Uh So, one of podemos is like regional allies as Barcelona and Camu. First thing that Barcelona and Camu did upon taking power was a victim immigrant squat because they knew it wouldn't have enough defenses to stop the police and victim.

So fuck these people.

Those people used to be anarchists, they're traders.

Fuck them yeah, and this happens constantly, right, like the Senate entered into government in nineteen thirty six with the Spanish Socialist Party and getting and got completely owned by Moscow and extremely predictable fashion, and all their friends got in some cases literally flayed alive. Perhaps consider not doing that next time.

Yeah, So, speaking of being played alive, do you know do you know who else will flay you alive? You don't buy buy their stuff?

Is it their products and services? I support this podcast again, isn't it? They're fucking they're all over that shit. We can't say that, can we just bleep?

It?

Mean?

All right?

We're back?

So all right, we need to talk about two other places where this kind of stuff happened. We're leaving Europe. We're gonna go We're going to go to briefly, we're going to go to the Anglophone world now, a deeply cursed place. In the US, all of these same people gained power. Their giant political project, and their only real

Oh yeah, yeah, Look he's had some banging tweets, but he's been a complete fucking turd in his time in office.

I'm pissed about this because from the very beginning, I was like, this guy sucks ass. He's a Zionist, anti immigrants' he fucking sees.

Anti trousers, he opposes said anything below the knee, And no one fucking believed me this. His campaign was run by a bunch of fucking DSA people, and instead they elected John fucking Fetterman, who hates everyone who fucking worked with him, is just screaming like the same fascist, anti immigrant borders. He's also in the pocket of big egg. He's made he's introduced a bill to not allow people to go vegan ex substitutes egg.

But he's not even in like the pocket of like good big egg. Like he's not in the pocket of like big people who haven't realized that they're trans yet.

No.

No, he's in the pocket of bad big egg.

I think that's an act of solidarity. Like as a as a man with a giant ball dome, he somewhat resembles an egg, so he feels like communion with other eggs. I think that's what he says. Yeah, so okay, that that's the US.

At some point, we're gonna do another episode about that all of the just fucking absolute dipshits that they elected in the elected in LA who've been doing like just sweeping homeless camps. So fuck them. But that's that's not today.

What the fuck did you think was gonna happen?

Did you think they were just gonna fucking sit there and let you take power because your ideas were somewhat popular, Like, no, of course they fucking were. Of course they were going to say what taut you and the whole fucking thing about the media. It's like, well, yeah, of course, you know, like, yeah, obviously the media in Britain is run by the fucking Burdox.

Right?

Then?

This this is again, this is one of the reasons why electoralism doesn't work, because if you're in a field that is entirely about the popularity of one person, and there's an entire apparatus that is able, that is better able than you to directly communicate to the entire population to tell them that that one person is fucking bad. Of course, you're gonna fucking lose, Like what did you

He prosecuted the people who were in the streets in twenty ten. Right, Like that that is where we've got to now. It's like we have a choice between like Ricci like send gunboats into the channel to smink sink the small ship Sunak and the guy who wants to look you up for taking a bottle of water from boots in twenty ten.

Like it's yeah, it's not a choice. And that's and like the corporate left has been basically completely liquidated. The only thing that's left if you are these media organizations who are all attacking right as fast as they can possibly fucking move because that's where the fucking money is and because you know Starmar actually used to be a

Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, look look at Tony Blair, right, he was extremely successful in like criminalizing being a teenager and these insanely right wing policies. Again, people aren't familiar with anti social behavior orders in Britain. They should, they should look them up. And oh my god, machines that make noise to keep young people out of public space, like to fully yeah, like the shit he was doing was insane. And but if youople continue to well, look

Yeah, And again it's like, well, yeah, you chose a rigged system to participate in in the first place. And then it's like, well you lost, well yeah, it was like, yes, you can complain that it was rigged against you. But you should have known that going in, if you were genuinely serious about taking power, you had to know that, and you fucking didn't, And now your entire country has been absolutely destroyed. So that's the UK, and we're going down.

And I think that the post twenty eleven stuff was inspired by the pink wave stuff in Latin America, right, like it goes around in the circle.

Yeah, So so now we're going to check in on how the pink tide's doing. The answer is absolutely dog shit. So we're gonna go to Ecuador first. So, okay, Ecuador is right now a complete fucking disaster. It shouldn't be like this though. In theory, Correa is like the is the guy and he's like the leftist guy in Ecuador. He's like he is their guy who came out of the pink tide, and in theory, his party should win like basically every Ecuadorian election from now to the end

So what this means in.

Practice is there's this giant divide over whether or not you should do drilling on indigenous land. So for example, you have the current right wing Ecuadorian government which is extractivist in right wing, and this means they think you should drill on indigenous land and you should take all of the money you get from that and give it

Even by that standards, that's fucking nuts, Like yeah, Jesus Christ, Yeah, that that's rough. You know.

So the product of this is that a a country that has a like a decently centered left electoral like electorate in theory.

Has produced three straight conservative governments.

Uh.

These governments have absolutely annihilated the Ecuadorian economy and the welfare state and left it prey to like to organize crime. Who you know, unlike the just completely dysfunctional electorian state can at least provide like a semi stable income. But the downside of this is that they're organized crime, so you know, not things going very badly. You've probably seen some of the like absolutely wild videos of stuff of like people storming like like armed groups just like storming

Now, yeah, that was it's been there on a wild one. Yeah, it's it's really bad. On Christmas Eve, if I was talking to a family from Ecuador who's gone to the US to get some medical treatment for the son who very manifestly needed help, and they were telling me like just of their life experiences and like it was bad. It was like I've been to some places where violence it happens, and like the stuff that they were telling me was shocking.

It's gotten really, really bad since basically between twenty fifteen and twenty seventeen, and it's just progressively gotten worse. As He's right, when governments have stayed in power, and you know, right now, right now, there hasn't been an alternative to them because the electoralists toured again. The people who are supposed to be serious about taking power are just a complete fucking disaster and can't do anything.

Yeah, Career can't literally can't go back to Ecuador now, right, I think he might be. I think he can go back.

Now.

There was a while where there was a war and out for his arrest. I think he's back now, Okay, yeah, but the ray.

Of lighte for ecuadors.

The Ecuador still has a lot of very like of very militant street movement who have been winning, have actually been like winning concessions from governments when they go when they go into the streets. So that's good inter law. One day the electorals get the fuck out of their way and they win. But hasn't happened yet. Things are really bleak. On that note. Do you know what's not really.

Bleak the possibility of buying gold coins. Yeah, to insulate ourselves against inflation. Yep. You'd be stoked if you had a ton of gold, neck kudo, wouldn't you? Currency has gone to ship sitting on your pile of gold like Scrooge McDuck, you'd be you'd be living the dream.

All right, And we're back. So all right, we're gonna take a couple of other take a few other places that the electoral left has won in uh Chavismo is dead as door nail. Maduro's slashing pensions, alarizing the economies, cutting a bunch of deals with American oil companies, and has arrested leadership the Venezuelan Commnist Party again.

Keeps doing this.

So, you know, things things going great, like obviously not helped by the blockade, which is very bad, but like, you know, not great Marina, which we're not going to talk an enormous At some point we're gonna like actually do a thing like actually go talk to the Zapatistas. But things are not good there right now. So the

Yeah, switched to a bunch of military come ons around because they like claimed that the old guys were corrupt.

Yeah, And then you know, and one of the other things that is really bleak about it was that, like the whole premise of Omlo like coming into power was like he ran in the campaign hugs not bullets, right, His whole thing was he was supposed to be ending the war on drugs.

Did he end the war on drugs? Absolutely? Not of power to the military. People still getting fucking slaughtered. Yeah, I don't know. I definitely saw a bunch of dudes in ski mask with a fifty cow chilling just the other side of the border, yeah, by the government two days ago.

And and and instead of doing that, he's also been like continuing to like escalating the war against his appatistas who have been getting just like people getting fucking murdered by a bunch of these government backed para militaries. It's really fucking bleak out.

There right now.

Yeah.

So that that that's been, that's been.

The legacy of Omlo finally winning a Mexican election is the most bright winging possible. Omlo governments, like I will say they're better on trans stuff than everyone, like the other parties who were all completely nuts, but that's about the only bright spot.

Yeah. I mean, like they were in bilfteral negotiations with the US, and like when the US clicked its fingers and said shut down these gaps in the border, they sent a bunch of National guards. So I'll just to sit right at the gap in the border war.

They've been They been doing a bunch of just like horrific anti border shit. Imil was also just like pretty friendly with Trump, which.

Yeah, there was a populist thing there.

Yeah, so that fucking sucks. And so we're going to close on the maas Oh boy. So there's been a bunch of stuff happening in Bolivia that I don't I don't think most Americans have heard much about. So the Maasment movement for socialism, there's some other shit, but yeah, they are well okay, So for most of the time

So this is a disaster.

They both of them, both Okra and Evil Morales, have these they have a lot of personal alliances within the social movements, and this means it's been a very very messy split.

And you know, this is not okay.

If you look at these two people, you would expect it to be an ideological split because acres from like the developmentalist right of the party. Like he was he was a banker, he's been in charge of the Bolivian Central Bank for a long time. He was like finance minister, so he's from like the center right, like developmentalist faction of the party. Evo technically speaking, has been the representative of like the the sort of like the social movement

Yeah, never before happened on the left. Two dudes wanting to be in charge.

Yeah, and this is this has been really really messy, and it's not breaking down the way. It's not breaking cleanly politically down because there's a lot of like people from the anti extractivist left of the party who are pissed off of the way that EVO has like personally tried to seize control of what are supposed to be

So yeah, based, yeah, so we follow flag.

I didn't have anything in there on it. It is very funny, given given what we're about to talk about. It is very funny that all of the pro am as people in in in the US had that as their flag, as like they had that flag as their profile picture when this coup was going on.

It's one of the cool oft flags out there. It rips, it does rip.

So so back in twenty eleven, this is like, this is like eight years before the coup, the Confederation of Indigenous People of Bolivia opposed building this road through projected indigenous territory that the government was trying to force through.

Uh.

They left, and then the confederation split between the groups who were pro EVO and everyone else. So another faction of the confederation split from the regular confederation and went back and joined and calling themselves the same thing, and

Don't think I don't think most American left is like know about this. I think people know about the coup.

I don't think people know about the stuff that happened in twenty twenty one, which is that there was this massive series of there was this massive series of like barricades that went up to bring down the coup government. So this is the thing that happens periodically in Bolivia.

You could just block all of the roads.

That go into the capitol, and you can you can shut down the entire country's economy by just doing these roadblocks. They very nearly this is actually like again the origin of the NIS is that they very nearly like completely destroyed the belief in government with this in two thousand and six, and then Evo pulled his people off the barricades and was like, no, we're gonna do an election.

Yeah every time, right, Like leaderism is the curse of the left, and it, yeah, it stops us doing things because it's always just dude chest some being each other.

Yeah, and and and this is the second part about it, is that this is a product of leaving the streets. And we're gonna close on Chile. We did a very optimistic episode in the protests in Chile a couple of years ago because it looked like they were actually winning. That's not true anymore, after the whole Okay, so Chile and twenty nineteen has these massive, massive treat protests. They successfully forced the government to call a constitutional convention to

Yeah, that's a good place to end, I think. Yeah, don't uh, don't infantilize yourself by electing some Instagram brick to make decisions for you.

Welcome, Sie could happened here. I'm Andrew sach to the true channel Andraism and one of the last times I was on here I was discussed in political Colds, generally drawn from the work of Dennis Tourist and Tim Willforth in their book On the Edge Political Colts, and after we learned about the roller coaster emotional ride the individual's experience during cult recruitment, where their feelings and ideas are manipulated and they are drawn into an exclusive and isolating group,

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If my research for this episode, I looked at dead Bodies and Living Guns by Yoshikuni Karashi, the Japanese Women's Liberation Movement, the United Red Army by set Sushiya Matsu, and Hijackers, Bombers and bank Robbers by Patricia G. Steinhoff.

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One of the splits that came out to that was the Communist League, which we came known as the Bund, and the Bund had a split within it that boothed the Red Army, and the Red Army had its own splits.

Yes, as.

As all these groups love to do.

Yes, let's of split it. And according to sign Off, Bund actually had a really remarkable history of internal factional splits. In fact, even for its own cohort is quite exceptional. That generated over fifty separate groups, in addition to Psychic, which had become Psychic Goon dropping the ha as I said, after it became independent from BOND in nineteen sixty nine. Again nice. And then after the split, Pecigo immediately copied the already outdated communist party setup that BUND had initially

In so they went from having meetings and making the zines to doing other stuff. Is what I is, what I take it for translated to a modern politically active audience.

They went from doing like peaceful protests, you know, peaceful marches, sit ins, that sort of thing, to like vankrobberies, embomments. Yeah, and on top of that, they really had the they had the inflated sense of self to grandiously label their attempted uprisings as the Tokyo War, the Osaker War. Sure, sure,

A lot of a lot of like more of these like extremely violent militant insurrectory type can kind of get that inflated sense of what they're doing. And even though I don't think ted Kay is an insurructionist, but still it's it kind of it's like, did he think that blowing someone's fingers off every five years was going to trigger the collapse of industrial civilization? And you're like, maybe,

Indeed, indeed, but I mean in this case, I think we can't gauge the success because well, first of all, the actions of all eventually led to police raids, harassed in indictments. Sure, and also we could measure success based on the achievement of particular goals, and all of their attempted uprisings were made with the aim of global revolution

Yeah?

I mean, this whole Red Art saga is a really great example of how an extremely militant leftist force really really does mirror so many, so many cult dynamics. And like I I the stakes are high.

I get it.

Like you have a lot of like intense shared experiences with people, it can produce a whole bunch of emotional, volatile reactions. I'm sure what they all went through. I can I can barely even begin to understand with with my like with my background and more like a like anarchist instructionary action. But yeah, you know, it's the whole Hitman squad for whenever members like age out in their late twenties. This is certainly an interesting move.

Indeed, and if I wasn't bad enough, it gets worse. So clearly, the fact that people want to leave means that the character of their members are not good enough. So the United Red Army wanted to improve the character of its members, so under Maury and Nagata's directives, they underwent a purge through a process of collective and individual

Yeah that all makes perfect sense to me. Actually, yeah, I.

When they deemed somebody to be a counter revolutionary, the others would be ordered to punish them through beatens, torture, and exposure to the elements without food or shelter. As you can imagine, people died. So when the first victims died, the leaders said that they had died of defeatism because they couldn't overcome their own weakness. Six weeks later, in February nineteen seventy two, twelve of the twenty five members

Honestly, I don't doubt it. Like I this this all does make a sort of weird sense to me. Like I've seen I've seen radical groups kind of fall apart in not ways that lead to like mass purging, as in like murder, but I've seen groups fall apart in similar ways to this. You'll you'll have like a smaller insular click who tries to remain really active and like keep going and doing stuff while also spending all their

Yeah, it's it's And this is really what sort of motivated me to start to talk about political cults a bit more. I mean, not on reading the book, looking at this case and reading the book, because I really I want people to recognize that it's not like this strange out to this wild thing that could nevolative place in your postal life. Like it's very easy for any political organization to become a cult, and there's no ideology

Let's take an ad break here and we'll be right back to continue talking about the body count of the Red Army.

Okay, we are.

Back, So twelve bodies dead and buried.

But on the upside, they have a new cabin so true, come on, you know, it's it's a small price to pay.

So eventually the leaders Maury and the Gata left, which gave each of the United Red Army members a chance to escape before they too succumbed to the fate of death. So I find really interesting is that all of them wanted to leave, but they didn't find it in themselves to leave until after the leadership left.

They were all too scared of each other.

Yeah, and so they want They took that opportunity to escape before they two died, and of course the police were hot on all of their tails. Mary and the Guta got arrested, and eventually there were only five members left and they were armed to the teeth. They ended up hiding in a mountain lodge and managed to capture a hostage, which was the wife of the owner of the mountain lodge, and Setsu Shigematsu described very succinctly what

And this is like around what this is like the are we like the sixties seventies?

Yeah? Yeah, all this took place in the The Purge took place between December nineteen seventy one and February nineteen seventy two.

Really really the last dying breath of the militant truskyeser.

Yes, indeed, indeed, if we look at the techniques used by political cults, rigid belief systems check you know, immunity to falsification, check, authoritarianism, check, arbitrary leadership, check deification of leaders. Most likely out I didn't seeing the evidence of that specifically, I wouldn't be surprised. Intense activism, check, use of loaded language. I'm sure.

Yeah, I bet.

You see basically all of those tactics employed in this organization, and you just see the result of it. And I think it's stories ideas that need to be known so that such mistakes can be of in the future. So, yeah, that's the story of the Unit's Red Army. This has been it could happen here.

It certainly could happen. No, I think it is a It is a really good example. Now it doesn't map on one to one because I don't think many many people are are doing exactly what the Red Army did in terms of their their style of militant struggle. But there's there's there's smaller scale versions, and there's still the kind of insular group dynamics, whether that's like just an

Indeed, I agree, So don't go out there and start to unite your Red Army folks, try and avoid that.

If you want to build a CAVIN, you can do it without burying twelve of your friends anyway, Thank you, Thank you for that.

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Where can the fine listeners find you on the internet?

YouTube dot com, slash andrewism and nowhere else own I guess also Patreon dot com slash saying true. But other than that, I can't be found on the internet. I don't exist.

Good for you, Good for you, just like the Red Army who doesn't exist anymore.

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Now.

Obviously, as I'm trying not to gloss over, there are some really good reasons to be pissed at the TSA, like this twenty fifteen story from Denver of several agents who were caught running a groping scam. Basically, one female crew member would point out the men that she found attractive, and a colleague would signal that person out for a pat down, and they basically say, like, oh, it's alerting something around your growing or inner thighs, so that like

I can't have much of an issue with cream. But is a cream different from a liquid?

I don't know. That's for the philosophers to decide. So Garrison and I come up to this booth and there's a guy standing behind the pode. I mean, the way stuff works at CEES is you have generally a mix of actual officers from the company. Sometimes it'll be like a CEO or an executive in the case of a smaller company. Other times it'll be regular employees or like engineers and stuff who can answer technical questions, and then a bunch of Most of the people that you talk

It's the cat too right over there.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, what are you saying, because I know right now, like if you've got pre check or oh gosh, what's the other one? The independent company that we I'm on a live interview now, I thought, so, I mean we came up to ask to talk to a TSA.

Okay, sure, yeah, sure, hang on just a second.

So the guy we found ourselves in front of was our Carter Langston, who is actually the Press secretary of the TSA, and by god, I don't know if I've ever seen a man less happy to see me. Eventually we started talking, and I have to give Carter credit for professionalism. His eyes said I despise you both on principle, and I am enraged to be doing this, but his voice remained calm, even and his responses were to be quite honest, pretty polished.

I'm kind of interested in sort of how you see this altering the way we do air travel over the next five ten years, right, because obviously right now people are using facial recognition if they have pre check or they have I'm spacing the name, but you know, the independent company that does get you to pass the line and stuff like they do, like facial recognition when you are in the airport. Is this something that you is coming more broadly to like everybody going through security in the.

Future, eventually, eventually.

So right now it's at twenty seven participating airports, and it's not at every single we call them travel.

Document checker podiums.

It's not at every.

Single checker travel Document checkerdum TDC, for sure, but it is growing and becoming We're deploying more and more as as funding becomes available for we're using facial recognition to identify passengers. It's a it's a significant improvement over the previous way we were identifying passengers just with the human interaction looking at an ID credential and looking at it based on what that individual knows about the fifty states and territories.

And how they could what their credentials look like.

The technology actually takes that over and does a much better job of validating the authenticity of that idea. And then the facial recognition component with a picture still image taking a picture of the passenger standing in front of the travel document check or podium and then matching that picture of that person standing there live against the credential photo and making a match that way, so we know

Where they should go.

Next for their screening because the officer is able to discern based on all of the information provided at the back end of the monitor that they reviewed. They can see all of those items have been checked, there's a boarding status, and there's a screening status, and then just tells the passenger where to go to follow up for screening.

So I'm interested in how how someone becomes basically enrolled in this right, because my assumption is at this point, just the picture you get when you're getting your driver's license or your state ID for the DMV is not sufficient for a facial recognition system, right, simply having the picture in the government space. You need to have somebody to like get their face scanned, their irises scanned or something like that.

In order to have them in the system, right, not in.

The system at all.

So with the way we're rolling these out at airports and check brains is once a passenger has been identified and that and goes into screening, all of the information.

That was captured is gone.

We don't store any of the pictures participation right now, it's completely volative.

UH.

Their signage right there at the checker podium UH to indicate that passengers can opt out, they don't have to participate and all that. All it happens at that point is the same officer will UH will turn basically over to the alternative process, review the ID, review the boarding pass and allow the passenger.

To continue too easy.

So if you don't lose their place in line, and they don't, they're not delayed in any way from getting screen But.

I'm in terms of like the people who choose to use it.

Right, So if you if you're in this system, is it literally just comparing your face to the face on the I D. You're not like en roll separately the way you are if you are in like pree checkers.

No, okay, no it's not.

There's not a database associated BABS and so no, that's that's not our use.

Now.

Some of the airlines have partnered with US. They saw a benefit in it, and they're using similar technology for backdrop for their Frequent Flyer Miles program participants. So that is there's a database associated with that obvious, and so those passengers are company have an entirely different experience. Yeah, but the way that we're using it at the checkpoint is as I just said, for identity verification.

Got you caught that right? How he says participation is voluntary right now? Well, I hadn't come across this information at the time, but afterwards I read a fascinating Washington Post article from last summer about Portland Senator Jeff Murkley. Jeff Merkley says that when he was trying to make a flight at Reagan International Airport, he was told that if he didn't verify his ID via face scanner, he would face a significant delay. Quote from the article. There

So basically he was lied to.

Somebody lied and said you're going to if you don't want to like be delayed and maybe miss your flight, you have to submit to a face scan which is one of the things that privacy advocates were worried about from the beginning. But you know what, privacy advocates aren't worried about the products and services that support this podcast,

Right?

So you know that's kind of the big concern, right, is that they're saying it's optional now, it obviously won't be forever, and some people are just going to be told they don't have a choice, Like that's kind of bullying, strong arming people, threatening that they'll miss their flight if they don't submit to it, which makes me extra suspicious about their data retention, right, And that is the question we asked as the interview went on, where is the TSAs,

In terms of the information storage is is there? I know I've been seeing more of these like signs the more that I travel. It's I do a decent bit of traveling for these for these sorts of systems. And I'm curious with how this works for non US citizens if because I know there's there's certain at least in some of the technology that's being used by customers of border patrol, they do store images captured of non US citizens for a certain time period.

They do take pictures of.

US citizens when entering the country at.

Lots of lots of airports.

Are there are these two systems interacting at all? Or is the TSA system and not customers about customs and voter patrol system more separated?

Well, first of all, I can't speak for customs and border protection, but I can tell you that where you we have two very different use cases. So in their use cases very much oriented in the customs arena, and then ours is as I just mentioned, at the checkpoint and solely for the identity verification. And if an international passenger comes in with a credential that identifies them, then the unit would obviously accept that credential. It's a photo,

Okay, most of you are probably aware of this, but the TSA actually does not have a good record of protecting private data. Now this is not old man Robert being a libertarian, it's just documented history. The TSA initially claimed their full body scanners, which took what are essentially

You know, there were a couple of last mic or six years, a couple of cases stories that grew up of pictures, images of passengers who were on the body scanners being shared, right like that said they were before, a couple of scandals about that, and that influenced your attitudes on the data attention policy that should exist for the facial recognitions.

So let me first tell you that we follow the National Institute of National Institute of Standards and Technology their guidelines and standards to a t. Not only that we publish online our privacy impact assessments, so there are we're very transparent in our use of this technology, how we're using it, what we're using it for. And again it's completely voluntary, nothing.

Is stored and similar and it's simply.

Which is really the.

Lynch transportation security. Yeah, I mean we've got to know that was who we're I guess going live into the secure area of an airport is in fact it's a person that.

They say that so yeah, that's more or less how the conversation ended. Carter was very happy to see us go, and I don't think Garrison or I were particularly surprised by anything we heard, but I did find it interesting that he kind of confirmed the goal is eventually for this to not just be everywhere, but be something that

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