This is behind the bastards the podcast. Will we nag our audience in order to make them more closely drawn to us. It's a tactic I learned from pickup artists. From pickup artists. Yes, really, this whole show is based on the lessons I learned as a pickup artist. You can't see it that I'm wearing an enormous hat with ostrich plumes coming off made out of purple felt. It's
an incredible hat, the most fuckable hat, the most fuckable hat. Yes, that was actually the first name I pitched for this podcast, but Sophie said that that means nothing and no one will listen to it, so we will.
We always pushed lies on my name and saying that I turned down his ideas.
That's just not the case, Sylvie. I think we can all agree that one of the best things to do is to lie about things your colleagues didn't do because it's funny.
I agree with it.
Thank you. Onto the show. We're talking about doctor Odds, and as we left the last episode off, he had just you know, gotten Oprah right, started his TV career, gotten Oprah hard. So he started his TV career, and he also starts Right around the same time he gets on TV for the first time, he starts a daily morning radio show on Oprah Winfrey's Serious XM channel. Never a good idea, Serious XM, No terrible idea.
What is it about giving people three hours of uninterrupted airtime?
You know?
There's just something about it, you know.
And this is an opinion that's pretty controversial within iHeartRadio. I think radio should be illegal, and I think it should be a felony punished by prison time for being on the radio or having a radio or thinking about the radio.
Yeah.
I think the only form of entertainment that should be legal is specifically my podcast.
Yeah yeah, one podcast, yeah yeah, And there should legally only be one Sopranos podcast allowed, which, as it turns out, is the case.
So I think if we, if we could get Chuck Schumer's ear, we can make this happen. We'll tack this onto the pot bill, no one will notice. So Doctor Oz has the Doctor Oz Show. He's got a radio show on Winfrey's XM channel where he covers very scientific topics like how God changes your brain and the happiest
people in the world. Now, I found a New York Times article that was written just a few months into his tenure with his TV show, kind of at the start of his burst into stardom, and the interviewer who talked to Oz for this article seems as impressed as everyone always is by the manic, somewhat inhuman pace at which Memet Oz works. By this point, he'd also written six books with titles like You the Smart Patient, You
on a Diet, and You Having a Baby. It's like the series is the Yeah, yeah, the famous You colon whatever. And he co writes these books with another doctor. I can't tell you how much of the writing was a lot of times. I'm not saying this is the case with doctor Oz because he's a wild workaholic, but a lot of times, when you have a guy that's his kind of famous and they write a bunch of books, they write like ten percent of the book and they have someone else, a co author or a ghostwriter, do
the rest. I don't know if that's the case.
Here's one Matt Damon who's writing most of Goodwill Hunting, and then there's a Ben Affleck.
Who gets top booking.
And I do believe Matt Damon writes most of his books. Uh yeah, So nine million copies of his various titles are in print by this point, like the first year of his show, So he is he is a very wealthy and successful man, pretty much out the gate like money machine. Getting the start on Oprah kind of guarantees it. Basically, if Oprah likes you enough to put you on her show more than once, you're going to get rich.
Damn.
Yeah, I just I just should have spent my youth trying to get on Oprah.
Should have we all should have. So doctor Oz gets a semi regular column for Time magazine because again they see this guy get famous and like, we got to get some of that Oprah money too. We get this guy on Time, people will start reading Time again and yeah, it's interesting. They give him a column, and in two thousand and eight they included him on their list of the world's most one hundred most influential people. So before they hire him to a calumn they call him one
of the world's most influential people. And as soon as he gets listed as one of the hundred most influential people on the planet, Doctor Oz calls his dad right like, finally, Yeah, this has gotta be the thing. How could he not be impressed by this.
Am I enough for you?
Pa? So when he tells his dad, his dad's first question is what numbers?
Enough? How the list?
And this is not a ranked thing, like it's not the top hundred, like going to one. It's just like these hundred people are all very not a listical. Yeah, it's not a listical. But doctor Oz in this interview, seemed to acknowledge that the fact that his dad reacted that way said a lot about both you know his dad and about their relationship. He told an interviewer quote, he wants to know what number? Are you kidding me? There are six billion people on the planet. It's a rounding error.
Oh god? But but like, but like what number though? Because you want how high are you? Motherfucker? Yeah?
Come on, you're basically me.
Yeah. So that interviewer, along with The New York Times, wrote quote, it's also the kind of thing that goads the sun to climb mountain after mountain, seldom pausing to enjoy the view. The Good Doctor did admit to engaging in a number of time saving measures over the years. He did numerous columns which were often just recycled from other columns or chunks of his books, he provided the same list of skin moisturizing or metabolism boosting tips and
different magazines or online articles. Even so, his workload was enormous. The Doctor Oz Show was instantly one of the most popular shows on the planet, and Mehmet was contracted to record one hundred and seventy five hour long episodes per year, which is a fucking brutal work schedule on its own. And the man continued to practice as a surgeon, albeit
at a reduced rate. The New York Times interviewer who visited him in twenty ten seemed to find his behavior and kind of his compulsive workoholism somewhat unsettling.
M hm.
I never saw him without a portable larder of baggies, plastic containers and thermoses of food and drink, and all of it, every crumb, every drop was healthful. Low fat Greek yogurt mixed with brightly colored berries, spinach slaw, raw almonds, raw walnuts soaked in water to amplify their nutritional benefit, a dark green concoction of juices from vegetables including cucumber at parsley. Roughly every forty five to sixty minutes, as if on cue he would ingest something from his movable buffet,
but only a little bit. His poorsche assiduously regulated like an intravelant, like an intravenous drip of nutrition. It was the most efficient, joyless eating I have ever seen.
That is so weird.
I'm sorry, that's so weird.
It's so uncomfortable to just.
Like he's cool, dude, Like that's you know, he's living life in the in the most drab way possible, just trying to just trying to make TV shows and do heart surgeries.
You know, Yeah, who has time to enjoy anything when you're.
Daddy joyless efficient evening eating.
He's like, I don't eat or drink anything that I would enjoy.
Yeah, you're welcome. That's just so unsettling. I mean, you know what, I have known a couple of people in my LIFs, all very skinny, who have told me like I just don't really like eating, Like, yeah, there's some foods that I prefer to others, but I just don't really enjoy it one way or the other. Like I've not like some of those people wound up on the soilent thing, and I guess, like, I mean, yeah, fine, it's like it's whatever, you know, it's your life.
You want to hear lucky food, eat monkey food. But don't you be surprised when I judge you? You know, yeah, like it's, uh, that's weird.
At the start, the Doctor Oz Show was broadly inoffensive from a medical perspective. He gave a lot of fairly good common sense help advice, health advice, and provided a lot of people with a friendly medical face willing to explain things their doctors might not have the time or
the bedside manner to properly lay out. But Oz's fascination with alternative medicine was present from the beginning, and as time went on, he veered more and more in that direction, following both the topics that consistently drew the most viewers and the topics that were easiest to put together, because one hundred and seventy five hours of content a year is a lot.
I mean really though, Like at some point you run out of shit to talk about and you have to just be like, uh uh, pendulums over the heart?
Do they work?
Yeah? Yeah, a punch of people in the dick? Could it improve your bowels? Yeah? I mean, you know, we we have to do. I don't know how much content we have to do per year, fifty two weeks, two hours a week. Yeah, we do like one hundred and ten maybe, like with some of the episodes that go over one hundred and twenty hours of content a year for this show. And that's a lot. One hundred and seventy five hours of video content. Is he like, you can't.
There's not that much good and also entertaining medical advice that you could give in a year, let alone every single year.
I mean, just like there's only so many organs to talk about, you know, after a while, you just got to invent shit.
Yeah, And it's this thing. It's this kind of this inevitable churn of capitalism leading us all into this this specific kind of nonsense, because you can't not have content legally you're contracted to. But also you have this whole team of people whose ability to pay their rent, whose ability to afford their homes, to keep their kids in school is dependent upon you doing this show outside of just the fact that he's rich. Like, he's fine, but
he like, it's this thing. You have to keep putting out the thing, and you will never have enough meaningful shit to put out to do it right. So you start, in his case, doing nonsense about mediums and shit, and in our case, doing episodes about Doctor Oz.
When you run out of bastards, eventually you just gotta find one on TV.
We're not out of bastards. But like last week, I spent thirty hours reading about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I needed an off week. You know, God, we all need off weeks.
That is one of my favorite, absolutely real documents to read.
Yeah, that's why we brought you on.
Actually, yeah, I'm actually one of the Elders of Zion, and I got some protocols for you.
Yeah. Oh good times, So good time for an example of the kind of nonsense creep I guess you'd call it that. Like advanced upon his show. In March of twenty twelve, Doctor Oz did a show titled Medium Versus Medicine. Oz's guest was a psychic who claimed she could communicate with the dead. This was one of several, by this point, probably dozens of episodes dedicated to people who claim to
talk to the dead. Energy healing was, you know, on the fringe, certainly, but at least it was something that when he started doing it, there were scientific studies saying there might be something to it. Those studies have since been to a large extent discredited. But when he started doing that, there was some evidence it was a thing to try. You know, he wasn't completely out of left field.
Yeah, people were at least testing it, alling.
Episodes on mediums. Talking to the dead is well outside of plausible deniability territory, right, Like you're just doing nonsense at this point.
Yeah, you know, it depends how they're talking.
If you go up to a dead body and start talking to it, you are technically talking to the dead.
Now, that would be a fun show. Doctor Oz breaks into morgues and talks to corpses.
Yeah, hey, how'd you die?
Just just having his bodyguards mace police officers rolling into a crime scene and be liked to this, had this good out.
Are you okay?
I am a doctor. Do you want some almonds?
They're soaked in water for more nutrition?
So yeah, he had. Yeah. Doctor Oz had among his psychic guests famous grifter King John Edwards on his show Not the Politician, The Talks to Dead TV show guy.
Yeah.
Yeah, And he praised the reading that he received from John Edwards saying, quote, let me tell you what changed my life. I've learned in my career that there are times when science just hasn't caught up with things, and I think this may be one of them, which is almost exactly what he said about John of God, the guy who raped hundreds of people.
Yeah, that's how you know, like to stay far away from anything when he's just like, man, this is uh, this is a brand new, groundbreaking territory and you can go home, all right.
Guys, It's a rapist ron and it's one of those things.
Part of how he's like the intelligent way to frame this is you start with the truth thing, which is there things science can't explain. One of those things is the nature of consciousness and what happens to it after you know, vital sciences. We don't know. There is not an objective answer to that. But it going this way is kind of like being like, yeah, you know, we can't explain like the slit box experiment. Like there's a
bunch of shit in physics. I don't know, I'm not a science guy, but like, you know, particle and wave shit, you can't explain that.
So much shit you can't explain magnets.
Yeah, how do they work?
How do they work?
It's this, it's this jump from Yes, there are things we can't explain to. So let's listen to this man talk to the dead. Millions of people gather around, gather around. He's going to channel you're dead on Yes. Maybe not not a reasonable way to take a reasonable starting point.
Yeah, especially when you're a doctor on TV.
Yeah.
And I want to quote from a write up I found in the Journal of the Missouri State Medical Association. Quote. During another show, Oz interviewed doctor Mossarafali, a miracle healer to Sylvester Stallone, Prince Charles of England, and others, regarding his use of iritology. According to the whitely debunked bizarre belief, each part of the iris corresponds to a specific area of the body, and a person's state of health could
be diagnosed by examining particular regions of the iris. After expressing his amazement at doctor Ali's diagnostic abilities, Ah stated, I want to applaud doctor mossaraf Ali because these are ancient traditions and they have been around for centuries. So who am I to hasmissed them.
Other than a very well educated man, a.
Doctor, a doctor memet, Prince Charles.
Yeah, it's like, you know, there's a lot of cultures who say that you should remove the clitorists surgically. It's it's it's it's healthier and it stops dangerous masturbation. It's ancient. Who are we to say this is a bad idea?
Who are any of us to say anything wrong?
Oh?
My god, I love it too, just like Yeah, I was amazed by his ability to look into my eyes and diagnose that my dad will never love me.
How did he know? How did you know?
It does bring me joy that Prince Charles got sucked with.
Oh I wonder what his eyes said.
It's funny he said the same thing. It said, your dad will never love you. That's all he does. He goes to famous people and he goes your dad will never love you. Your dad will never love you.
You so much, there's this. One of the big aspects of this guy's success and of the success of the things he pushes is Orientalism, right, like this idea of like the forbidden and strange and wondrous and magical East and all of the Yeah, we don't understand all of these like, oh, India is so mysterious. What if you were to say, like, well, for centuries, tobacco companies have said that tobacco can cure like different run ailments. Who are we to dismiss these ancient traditions?
Yeah, the Q zone could be real.
Exactly, like it stops people from stuttering, do more cocaine?
I mean, yeah, just the idea.
And I've always found this in general to be the biggest load of Horseshit is when people have said, you know, this is like an ancient healing technique, and it's like, you mean like bleeding people with leeches, you know, you mean like cutting off someone's leg because he got a fucking a small infection on his toe.
Ancient. It's this thing with doctor Oz, Like it's one thing if you're just like traveling to another part of the world, you see some sort of medical or treatment you've never seen before, and you're like, well, am I who am I to say anything about? Right? Like, I don't know, doctor Oz is a doctor on TV talking to millions. You're literally the person who should be saying something about the legitimacy of this, right.
Yeah, Yeah, you're the guy.
You're the person you are, in fact, the person who should say something about.
Oh am I you are you? He is the most famous doctor in America.
Yeah, and that's what that That write up in the Journal of the Missouri State Medical Association notes, quote who doctor us is a trained clinician and scientist, someone who can read a scientific article with a critical eye. He is someone who can filter out the noise of the placebo effect or discern the simple carnival tricks of his charlatan. The problem is that most people in his audience cannot.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's he has a literal responsibility to tell people that these guys are full of shit. But he also has a responsibility to his show sponsors and to the network for ratings.
You know, you know who.
Else has a responsibility to the show sponsors.
Wow, that's got to be the first time.
That's got to be the first time it's ever.
So fucking good.
So good.
Anyway, here's products Ah, we're back talking about doctor Oz having just a great time. So obviously, the fact that doctor Oz, I mean, probably the fact that most of his audience couldn't discern whether or not any of these nonsense treatments were real is a big part of why the Doctor Oz Show became an overnight success. Yeah, before very long, it was being watched by four million viewers every single day. Over the next half decade or so,
he won two Emmys. His guest list included First Lady Michelle Obama, who loved Doctor Oz for his focus on healthy diets for children and in general, his crusade to get Americans to lose weight. Doctor Oz claimed through Medicine through Math that I cannot verify that his show inspired Americans to lose three million cumulative pounds per year. I don't know.
Maybe yeah, they based that on what, like did people call in to say how many pounds they've lost to the show.
I mean, I'm sure he found some way to like make the claim or whatever. But it's it's very it's I don't know. Maybe it is one of the things that he does that is we'll talk about that. There's problems with some of the diet tips he gives people, actually significant ones, but telling like inspiring people to lose weight is not usually bad for their health, although it can be. Yeah, yeah, sometimes people take it too far and it depends on health problems.
You know.
It's a mixed bag I guess we'd say, yeah, but the other stuff isn't a mixed bag, so I guess we'll call that his his great success. So yeah, it is good. I will say it is unequivocally good that doctor Oz continually pressed his audience of millions of people to eat more fruits and vegetables, fruits and vegetables, to get better sleep, to exercise regularly, and to get their flu vaccinations. That's all rat right, Yeah, but shit, I could have to you give me, you know, you don't have to.
You don't have to be a doctor to say that doctor that ship, Yeah, eat better piggies.
But he's charismatic. People like him. It's good that he does that at least.
Yeah, they don't trust me, so they won't give me the show, but they should because Yeah.
The unfortunate part is that this guy gained because he's he's handsome. A lot of a lot of a lot of ladies out there think doctor Oz is hot. He's he's very charismatic, he's very charming, and he gains this enormous influence with Middle America and he uses that influence to do some really fucking questionable ship. And I'm going to quote now from a write up in the a
m a's Journal of Ethics. He has told mothers that there were dangerous levels of arsenic in their child's apple juice there weren't, and suggested that green coffee is a miracle cure for obesity. Federal regulators discovered altered data and hyped coffee being evidence. The Food and Drug Administration tested for arsenic and apple juice and found the vast majority of apple juice tested contained to contain low levels of arsenic, and given these levels, was confident in the overall safety
of apple juice consumed in this country. Doctor Oz also featured two guests on his show who claimed that genetically modified foods were cancer costing despite repeated safety reports that found no adverse effects.
Man, Yeah, I mean he's like he's varying, he's getting there, Like I'm I'm watching him slowly go from memet to mangola.
You yeah, come on, it is too good a pun to exist that you want to be fair, Robert, But.
Let's go for it, all right, We'll do it.
But no, we're watching it like turn into a snake oil salesman, and it's it's very exciting.
Yeah. So Doctor Oz's enthusiasm for alternative medicine has had the effect of creating instant fads over any health product he even vaguely suggests on his show. When he mentions the purported health the fits of white mulberry, red palm oil, or brown seaweed, all of which he's claimed can do things like cut weight, reduce aging, or beat the flu, those products fly off the shelf. Oz often doesn't endure
specific brands, but he doesn't need to. Online retailers watch closely and immediately slap, as seen on Doctor Oz on the pseudoscientific products.
Yes, I've seen this.
Yeah, this is where we get to the big harm. He did one episode that focused on so called relaxation drinks and included a close up shot of five cans of beverages he said might help calm you down.
Just a Miller High Life.
Yeah, he just puts a can of on the table. Billy d Williams walks out.
It's a still reserve. Trust me, You'll trust me.
You'll be calm as shit exactly.
You might yell at your mom, but fun afterwards.
Yeah, you will very calmly put your hand through a taxi cab windows as soon as the episode aired, a quote liquid sleep aid called eye Chill ragged on their website. Doctor Oz is talking about a new way to wind down with relaxation drinks. They are the newest trend and helping you relax and calm down. And the best news is they contain natural ingredients already known to promote relaxation.
Mulberry love them.
I remember the I shill that turned into like an entire thing. There's so many.
Yeah, we're about to We're about to talk about it. Yeah. And also if there was a Laudanum drink, I would be buying it. So the problem with all with this is that all of these different relaxation drinks are filled with a variety of chemicals like melatonin and thianine and tourine. These drinks are unregulated as they are not medicines or dietary supplements, but the chemicals they include all have actual
impacts on the central nervous system. Pregnant women and children are often advised to avoid products with some of these chemicals,
but the beverages in question rarely note this. No data exists on how these chemicals might impact people in the quantities they are added to in these beverages, or when combined with other chemicals, or when combined with medications, people drinking them might be taking responsible Doctors, writing for the journal for the journal Nature Neuroscience, wrote a warning about these beverages that specifically called out echill by name. Quote.
Existing research on the potential benefits and harms of some components of relaxation drinks suggests that they may not always be safe. Indeed, the FDA issued a warning last year to the manufactures of melatonin laced brownies, citing safety concerns from the literature, including effects on the autonomic nervous system and visual system, and increased expression of symptoms in a
sleep disorder. Other components of relaxation drinks, such as l fhionine or amino acids such as taurine, may be considered safer consumption only at some doses by the FDA, but relaxation drinks are not subject to such regulations, nor are they required to disclose the amounts of their ingredients.
Oh my god, I mean, first of all, did you say melowtnin brownies?
Yeah?
Buddy, what the fuck?
Like I want to eat and just get tired immediately? Like that is very strange. It like, here's the thing about brownies. I've never eaten one and been like, I just want to relax, Like, no, I'm trying to get a little.
Sugar rush to be honest.
To be honest, a sleepy town brownie delightful, I would be very down.
Listen. Pot brownies are very different.
It's not it's not the same as relaxation brow Like one is like an ambient brownie and the other one is like a brownie that makes you.
Hungry for more brownies. Pot brownies makes sense.
Ambient brownies exist.
I would love one, thank.
You very I mean, I guess I'd rather do that than just swallow an ambient But man, that is.
I'm like, I'm like gets to sleep and also got a brownie. I'm sounds awesome.
It's bad for your health, I'll tell you that much.
Am I remembering this correctly?
Robert?
But wasn't the ichow like like the bottle and the marketing like similar style to like an energy drink, similar to like a five hour energy that was like the esthetic.
No, no, no, I think those were those were They had like a weird different shaped plastic bottle. But like the problem is that again, Number one You've got a lot of people with like who are on medications that the shit interacts with.
Which is crazy that like literally a relaxation drink could be contraindicated for your prescription medication.
Okay, so everything doctor Oz recommends, I guess, outside of like death psychics comes with this caveat. Some of the herbs and natural medicines that he recommends do have health impacts, but they also have consequences medications they might not interact well with. Doctor Oz does not bring this up when he shotguns half assed advice out to an audience of millions.
That article in Nature Neuroscience that I referenced warning about the relaxation drinks Oz recommended, It's been read ten thousand times. So the article warning people that these things can be contraindicated and might have impacts on your health and your central nervous system read ten thousand times. Doctor Oz's episode suggesting these drinks listened watched four million times.
God damn yeah.
People started to notice that this was a problem by the mid aughts. Doctors had been complaining for a while, but in twenty thirteen Forbes wrote a listical laying out the silliest things Doctor Oz has suggested on his show, including the fact that having two hundred orgasms a year would extend your life by six years. Here's how he explained that bit of math on his website.
Dude, I'm about to live to two hundred years old.
Yeah, I never dieing, motherfucker.
I never died.
I get one out at least once a dirt five.
Here's his website. If you have more than two hundred orgasms a year, you can reduce your physiologic age by six years. Doctor Oz says he bases the number on a study done at Duke University that surveyed people on the amountain quality of sex they had. They looked at what happened to folks that are receiving a lot of intercourse over time and the fact is it correlated?
Ohkay wait wait.
Wait wait yea is it sex? Because he didn't say nothing about sex. He said orgasms, and I do that on my own.
I know he talked to them about the amountain quality of sex they had, but like, it's correlated. So again he's basically lying here, Yeah, because yeah, you number one, what is the possibility that people who are having a
lot of good sex are in better health? Well, that's why they're able to have a lot more good sex because they're like, they're physically healthy, and so it's easier for them to like, what what are the odds that, like, if you're having more sex, you're more social, you're more likely to have a long term romantic partner that increases your live span. Yeah. Again, I'm of all people, never going to be the guy to say there's not health benefits to sex. There sure is. Oh yeah, doctor Oz
is exaggerating this. He's taking an actual study that showed some interesting stuff and he's turning it into a lie.
Yeah, he's turning it into like pretending he has quantifiable data and that like correlation and correlation is causation like that.
Yeah, that's that's what he's trying to do.
Yeah, there is data that suggests that regular intercourse reduces men's mortality risks by fifty percent, Which doesn't mean that fucking stops men from dying, particularly because it's men who benefit in this way. It means that men are less healthy than women tend to die faster, and when men have partners that they live with, they are more likely
to have a medical problem. Noticed if they have a heart attack, someone's going to be there to call it, like, there's a lot of reasons why this is the case.
Yeah, they're not dying alone, you know.
Yeah, it's not the fact that just fucking magically adds like reduces your age by six years if you do it enough. Like that's nonsense.
It's nice to think it, though it makes it.
It is nice to think it.
I'm going to une.
Out that article, show it to my girlfriend and say, hey, you got to help me live longer.
You know, not coming enough. I'm gonna we gotta do this more. Yeah, just start fucking in public and when the cops come, be like, this is medicine.
Yeah, do you want me to die six years earlier than I should?
I have a right to this.
Doctor Odd said I should fuck.
More now on its own, recommending that people get more sexes is you know, fine, I'm very pro sex, but I am anti encouraging people to misunderstand health science. The nature of doctor Oz's audience and the sheer breadth of things he suggests makes it difficult to analyze the total health impact of his show, but there are some dire
case studies. As Vox notes in their write up quote, there's the case of a man who followed Oz's suggestion of curing insomnia by pouring uncooked rice into socks, heating them in a microwave, and wearing them to bed. The man got second and third degree burns on his feet. And the reason he got burned is because he was diabetic. He didn't have the same level of feeling in his feet.
Oh my god.
If he had gone to a doctor and said, hey, I heard about this thing that might help with insomnia, the doctor would say, well, you're diabetic. You don't have as much feeling in your feet. I'm worry you might burn yourself. Doctor Oz is just saying, hey, this will help you sleep. Do it whoever you are. Again, you're talking to four million people. It will be bad advice for some of them.
I mean, it's like this all feels very much like when Trump was telling everyone about the wonders of hydrohalkout that later and then people are eating fucking fish food or like fish tank cleaner and dying everyople like how could.
How could people be so stupid? And it's like people are stupid. You can't tell them to eat the fucking fishball cleaner.
Yeah, they'll do it. It's they'll fucking do it. So this guy sued, but the case was thrown out because the judge determined that Oz cannot establish the physician patient
relationship through TV. I agree with the judge. That's my problem with his show is that he is a physician purporting to be giving medical advice, but is also not taking anyone's individual circumstances into account, and, more to the fucking point, not liable if he does any of the irresponsible things that would lend a physician doing their job traditionally in trouble.
I mean, it is medical malpractice, whether or not he's legally liable for it or not.
I would agree, and I'm going to continue that quote from Vox. Not everyone agrees with the judge's reasoning. Rochester, New York medical student and blogger Benjamin Maser has been publishing anonymous stories sent to him from health professionals about the impact OZ has had on patient care. One reported that her dad had a heart attack and five stints placed in his heart, which required him to take aspirin
and plavix to prevent blood cloths. He was watching doctor Oz, who said plavix was not necessary, so he stopped taking it. About a month later, he had another massive heart attack and coded and had to be shocked back to life. Will continued, My dad admitted to following doctor Oz's advice and not acting his own cardiologist.
Man, yeah, that's really bad.
Did he have a did he have like an alternative or was he just like decided one day that plavix is gonna be sure it was.
If I know my doctor Oz, I'm sure it was. You don't need to take plavix. Eat these different heart healthy foods and avoid these foods, and that'll do all that plavix will do.
Yeah. Yeah, eat some beans and put your face in some boiled water and you should be fine.
I suspect it was dietary advice that if you're someone who doesn't really need plavix, is fine, or might even help you to not need it later in life if you wouldn't tell your habits. But the problem is, again the way he's framing it, there's going to be a lot of people who are like, just had stints placed in their heart. I don't need plavix. Fucking yeah, you know.
Doctor Oz, the TV doctor said I don't need this medicine.
I just need more ASA in my belly.
The TV doctor also said he can talk to go, So I'm on go talk. I mean you will be talking to ghosts faster if you follow all of Doctor.
I want a talkt to ghosts. I'm gonna stop taking up Lavix and I have.
A stroke now. On his show, Doctor Oz claims that the trust of his audience is the entire reason for his relevance. Quote the currency that ideal in his trust, and it is trust that has been given to me by an audience that has watched over six hundred shows. He repeatedly references the fact that he is responding to the very real and very understandable unfilled needs of Americans who feel alienated from modern healthcare, which is an expensive
and often inhumane, labyrinthine bureaucracy. Truth is true, Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, how you exploit it is a very different thing.
But the thing he is replacing it with is by and large nonsense. And I'm gonna quote from that rite up in the Journal of Ethics again. When it comes to epistemic boundaries, doctor Oz admits he applies different standards of evidence compared to those accepted in the medical establishment. When challenged by a reporter for the New Yorker about his questionable evidentiary standards. He replied that all data could be differentially interpreted. You find the arguments that support your data,
he said, And it's my fact versus your fact. It's not that he doesn't offer data. It's common for doctor Oz to offer some plausible mechanism from test tube experiments conducted by manufacturers, combined with personal anecdotes from his own
or consumer's experience, to support the products he's promoting. A study of eighty recommendations made on The Doctor Oz Show in early twenty thirteen found that published evidence supported forty six percent of recommendations, contradicted fifteen percent, and did not support thirty nine percent.
Gotta love a good like coin flip on whether or not he's fucking lying to you and yeah, having an adverse effect on your health.
If your doctor said, hey, you know forty six percent at the time, I get pretty good advice, yeah, you would be like, I think I might to get another doctor.
But he would reframe it to'd be like, I'm back in five hundred here, really five hundred.
If you assume medicine is like baseball, I'm a great doctor.
Yeah, do a great job.
Now, to his credit, the journal does note that a decent chunk of the blame for doctor Oz's success lies in the very, very flawed state of mainstream medical science. Quote. We settle for incomplete, selectively published data in journals heavily subsidized by pharmaceutical companies, and for outcomes that don't give firm answers, while not on part without offering anecdotes as evidence.
The fact that debates persist about what constitutes sufficiently high unbiased quality evidence to support decisions in the profession as a whole creates a wedge that doctor Oz seems to exploit. Mm So again, this is the Journal of Ethics being like the fact that you can pay to get a study done, the fact that we pharmaceutical companies lobby to allow them to market things in dishonest ways, the fact
that doctors are bribed by companies like Produe Pharmaceutical with vacations. Yeah, I commend people take medication that is not in their best infest to take. That's why this motherfucker has a job. And the fact that healthcare is expensive, right, the fact that we don't have single pair of health care. It all combines to the fact that a lot of people who are not idiots. I'm not saying you can be.
I'm sure there's people who are brilliant electricians, who fucking are brilliant at whatever, who are great at whatever it is they do, but they're not fucking doctors, because most of us aren't, and it's hard to get I am very fortunate in that I have a couple of good friends who are doctors, and I am luckier than I can. One of them is a guy who was on the
shore recently, Cavajoda. I'm luckier than I can that I can say to be able to like every now and then send them a message being like, hey, what should I do here? And that's a question of like, I'm having this problem. I don't know what kind of doctor to see to like get this dealt with. I don't know whose job this is, and I don't want to Like.
My ex a while ago had a non cancerous brain tumor and it was a fucking nightmare figuring out it took a series of different doctors and test to figure out what kind of doctors she needed to go to to get the medication that would help. And it's of course people are like, well this guy is explaining things, and he's nice, and he's saying that I have the power to deal with this, change my diet if I do this, if I do that.
He's giving us alternatives to dealing with the bureaucracy of medical institutions in this country. I have a kaiser and I had to go to a rheumatologist and I tried to get a hold of him on the phone, and they sent me through six different call centers to finally get to his specific office.
And then I asked the lady, oh.
Can I get the extension so that I don't have to deal with that, and she's like, oh, sorry, we're not allowed to do that. And so now now I'm just recording every phone call and just you know, freestyling to the hold music because it's.
The only thing I can do.
I'm like, you know what, I might as well turn this into content, because this is fucking ridiculous. You know, there's like the the amount of bullshit you have to go through makes people like doctor Oz feel like a good alternative, you know.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and it's it fucking sucks. It just really fucking sucks. And it fucking sucks because there's a lot of wonderful people who are part of the medical system, like the fucking doctors in the in the er who were with my mom in her last days, Like incredibly competent and compassionate and amazing people who in their entire careers will never be able to do as much good as doctor Oz does harm because he has four million people watching him every day. Yeah it's a bummer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's you know, it's not a bummer.
Oh wow, Capitalism is actually a bummer. But it's the water we swim in. So here's some fucking ats. We're back. So in twenty fourteen, Memet Oz was called before a Senate subcommittee to answer questions about his unfounded claims about dietary supplements. Missouri's Senator Claire McCaskill went off on him, saying, I don't know why you need to say this stuff,
because you know it's not true. Why when you have this amazing megaphone and this amazing ability to communicate, would you cheapen your show by saying things like this?
And he just pulled out a lot of money and he just started making it rain all over Congress.
Do you know how many houses I have? She pointed out several examples of the things he cheapens his show by saying he had called green coffee extract a quote magical weight loss cure. Recent research has recent research has suggested that long term use of green coffee extract causes bone density loss in animals. But you are, in fairness, you're losing weight. Your bones are lighter.
That's weight.
Bones are heavy as hell.
It was everywhere when that came out. It was that literally, not just like it's not like bed, bathroom, be everywhere.
It was get like bones you can fly like a bird.
Mm hmmm h And again those are studies and animals, but it's the kind of thing where a responsible doctor would say, well, some studies and animals have shown that this might call bone cause bone density loss. So unless you know your weight is a really disastrous health situation and your bone density is fine, I wouldn't recommend this. Doctor us is just saying it's a magical weight loss here.
I mean, he's not wrong, he's not wrong.
Yeah, Oz called raspberry ketone quote the number one miracle in a bottle to burn your fat. This is a fun one. First of all, it's all gasoline. Part of why people. Well, Actually, part part of why people are attracted to stuff like this is that, like raspberry ketone that's natural. It sounds like, oh, if I just like getting raspberries, that's gonna help me lose weight. This chemical
in a natural, healthy fruit. Of course, it makes sense that like some wonderful plant based medicine would be able to help me lose weight. Raspberry keytones don't come from raspberries. They can, but it takes ninety pounds of fresh raspberries
to produce a single dose. As a result, they are manufactured synthetically, a fact Doctor Oz did not feel the need to explain because again he's really critical of GMOs and it might seem hypocritical to note that raspberry ketones are actually synthetic lab nonsense.
I love when people say things like it's it's natural. It's like I think cyanide is natural. There's a there's a lot of like natural poisons out there. This fucking snake venom is natural.
The fucking arsenic in the apple juice that he's worried about is natural. Yeah, it is possible, based on animal studies, that these keytones may have some ability to reduce or slow weight gain. But no studies have ever been conducted on how raspberry ketones impact human beings. There have been reports that they increase blood pressure and heart rate in humans,
Doctor Oz does not warn about this. Likewise, when Doctor Oz told his viewers that garcina cambogia may be the simple solution you've been looking for to bust your body fat for good, he did not also warn them that it can interact negatively with diabetes medications, pain killers, and psychiatric medications. Oh my god, why would you need to warn people that? Look, what are the odds someone looking to lose weight has diabetes medications? Zero?
What are the odds that someone who has diabetes is sitting around watching Doctor Oz's show?
Zero?
What are the odds that a middle class American is addicted to painkillers?
Zero?
Zero? During the Senate inquiry, Senator McCaskill pointed some of this out, and she told doctor Oz quote, when you feature a product on your show, it creates what has become known as the Doctor Oz Effect, dramatically boosting sales and driving scam artists to pop up overnight using false and deceptive ads to sell questionable products. Hmm.
Yeah.
In the wake of this, which was a fairly bad day on Capitol Hill for him. Doctor Oz released a somewhat contrite statement where he noted I took part in today's hearing because I am accountable for my role in the proliferation of these scams, and I recognize that my enthusiastic language has made the problem worse at times.
Good so far, yeah, good, pretty good so far.
Oz added in his statement, to not have the conversation about supplements at all, however, would be a disservice to the viewer. In addition to exercising an abundance of caution and discussing promising research and products in the future, I look forward to working with all those present today and finding a way to deal with the problems of weight loss scams. God, yeah, it's just amazing.
I'm just talking about I'm just asking the question.
We have to have conversations about this, you know, a conversation would be noting, for example, green coffee extract causes bone density lost aries and perhaps be worse. Yeah, that's a conversation. Well, you and I have had about these things as a conversation.
Yeah, I love people are like, I'm just asking the question.
I mean, I'm not a doctor. I'm a guy who's addicted to an unregulated plant, Oh my god, which I just took more of while standing next to my unregulated Gunyah.
Dude, you're living the unregulation now.
So Doctor Oz, also making the statement, pointed out that he believed the greatest disservice he'd done to his audience was to not recommend specific products, which had provided room for a wide industry of shysters to stick his name on their website. So like, oh, I was just saying green coffee extract, and a bunch of companies I couldn't verify started selling with my name on it. I should have recommended a specific brand.
Yeah. What I need to do is cut deals with specific companies so that you can only be taking their bone density lost drugs.
Yeah, I mean exactly good calls.
Fucking amazing.
Yeah.
So, in awake of this day on Capitol Hill and this amazing response, physicians across the country asked Columbia University in a letter basically, what the fuck why is this guy still on your faculty? Columbia claimed it was because of their commitment to quote the principle of academic freedom into upholding faculty members freedom of expression for statements they make in public discussion.
Hell yeah, dude, Yeah, they're like anti cancel culture letter.
You know, they're just like, stop trying to cancel, doctor ows. It's freedom of speech.
Your freedom of speech. Yeah, I mean, doctors also are held to different standards than the rest of us. They come on if, like your uncle Jimbo says, hey, you know, take some green coffee extrac it'll help you lose weight. Nothing wrong with that. It might not be good advice, but that's just a guy saying a thing. Doctors are held to a different standard.
Yeah, it's on you if you listen to your crazy uncle Jimbo, it is definitely on the doc. Sure, if he recommends you lose some bone density so that you look better in that dress, it's it's it's.
Awesome, it's what.
So.
On April fifteenth, twenty fifteen, ten prominent physicians sent a letter to Columbia University calling Oz's faculty position there unacceptable, in citing his quote egregious lack of integrity. The only change wrought by the congressional inquiry and the flood of condemnation from the medical community seems to be that doctor Oz started endorsing specific supplements and pseudo medicines.
God, he's Alex jonesing it.
He's jonesing it hard. He's so much smarter than Alex though. Yeah, you focus it just on the health, none of this nonsense like political shit. Everybody is gonna love you and
you'll make way more money. Yeah. A twenty eighteen analysis of his show by The Health News Review found quote in the Doctor Oz Show, thirteen out of nineteen sixty eight point four percent shows had ads relating to general show content, fifty seven point nine percent had specific products mentioned by the host using their commercial name, and thirty six point three percent of shows mentioning products by name
named more than one product. He also found that seventy eight percent of the medical statements made on The Doctor Oz Show did not align with quote evidence based medical guidelines.
So if those guidelines mattered, they'd make more money.
Doug half a decade earlier, forty six percent of his statements are more or less fine. Now it's down to what jesus twenty two percent.
Wow, So we're seeing.
Again he matt the quality of the because again you're running out of good content. You only have so much good medical advice you can give when you're doing an hour a day, one hundred and seventy five times a year for fucking fifteen sixteen years, eat fruit. Exactly. The actual amount of things that an average person can reasonably do to improve their own things. Health doesn't really take that long to explain to you. You know, it's pretty simple stuff, and most of us know a lot of
it already. We know when we're I know that pounding kraton and coke zero isn't a wise healthcare decision.
No, no, but you know it, and you can you know, fucking you don't need a doctor oz to tell you that. You know, you just know, you know.
I know that the fact that I bought the one hundred dollars entire smoked leg of of pig from Costco, the giant leg that you can got, well, I know, I know, buying that and not also purchasing uh, I don't know, salad in order to have sufficient I recognized that was the poor health decision. Yeah, no one tricked me about us, and no point that I think this one hundred dollars worth of smoked half is a solid
healthcare move. You know, smoke, what could it? Smoked? It's good for my cue zone traditional medicine.
Yeah, this is real for all of my kidney Meridians. I need all the smoke dams.
Like all my Meridians are fucking fucking right.
I'ms bro.
Let me fucking tell you my Meridians are as hard as a goddamn rock.
Feel my kidneys, Feel my kidneys. It's just like, why is your kidney swollen?
The Doctor Oz Show is still on the air. In twenty eighteen, President Trump appointed Doctor Oz to a Council on Sports, Fitnish and Nutrition as part of the Department of Health and Human Services. He's still on that council under Joe Biden two years later. Oh, no politician is dumb enough to want to piss off Doctor Oz. You're never going to hear Joe Biden throw it. Well, except for Claire meccastal, God bless you.
Like she was the only one who had the guts to stand up to Doctor.
I think other people did. I'm not an expert on what went down in that congressional thing, but she seems to be the main one who was really angry at him, Which good on you, Claire.
I love that A bipartisan decision is just like, let's share this grifter, you know between administrations like good, you know what, God.
All agree that you should be able to lie about healthcare as an MD. That's that's so. Twenty eighteen is when he gets appointed to this council. Two years later, during the COVID nineteen pandemic, hero he endorsed hydroxy clorquin. Later that year, he endorsed reopening schools, saying, I tell you, schools are a very appetizing opportunity. I just saw a nice piece in the Lancet arguing the opening of schools may only cost us two to three percent in terms of total mortality.
What the fuck?
Two to three percent of the cart that's barely anybody dying. That's barely hundreds of thousands of deaths.
He said, two to three percent, As if that's not a huge number of people.
He's losing his goddamn mind.
And it's one of those things. Not making a point proer against gun control either way. But if somebody against gun control said, what keeping these things legal is only gonna cost us one percent of the country, you'd be like, you're a fucking maniac, Like you are a dangerous person. But he's like we gotta and he didn't. Yeah, this outraged a lot of people in as apologized as he apologized for that hydroxy Yeah, he days he did. He he claimed to regret that his comments had confused and
upset people, and basically pointed out the lance. It wasn't saying two to three percent of the country was going to die. It was I think more like two three percent of likes or something like it gets sick and like it was he but the way he phrased it was it's only going to cost us to three percent of the country. I don't care what the actual study. Again, I don't care what the studies. I care what you said to your audience of millions. And also I care
about the fact that in any case, that's fucking evil. Yeah, Like that's an evil thing to say.
Yeah, it's it's it's it's pretty wild to just look at two to three percent of the country as like expendable if it means that my fucking dirt bag ass fifth grader can be stuck inside in a school all day and listen, I get it, people with kids, they want their kids to go back to school, But that's you don't say the quiet part out loud.
You know.
Yeah, it's one thing to say, hey, look, living in a society, there's all all kinds of cost benefits sort of analysis. Sure we have to do Like, right, cars improve a lot of efficiencies in certain ways, and people like have them. They're also going to cost x many lives. You know, we could change these sorts of laws, but it would it would lead to this sort of problem.
You know, we have certain freedoms that may cost lives and like right to be like that, that's just living in a society, right, There's no our society is not angled around absolutely more reducing mortality in every way, and there's a cost to not having these schools open, and it's a very real cost, and like we have to
Like that's a way to say that. I'm not saying that's the argument I'm making because I'm not I'm thinking, Oh, I don't think we should open schools out until we actually have I don't know, like eighty percent of the fucking country vaccinator or whatever. Yeah, but like, but that's a way you could That's a way you could make that argument and not sound like a gibbering sociopath.
And it's weird to like you know, be like, all right, it was a poor choice of words, and it's like, bro, at this point, saying words out loud to millions of people, is your job?
Yeah, you're choosing to do the job. You could never work another day in your life, and you would never You're rich. You don't need to do this. You're choosing to So go fuck yourself with that explanation.
Fucking fix some hearts already, stop talking.
We're getting to that. So today, doctor Oz works to continue to monetize his brand with his wife and business partner, who he also writes books with. His daughter seems to be getting in on the grif too, with books like The Dorm Room Diet, which she wrote when she was in college.
I think is diet. It's just free pizza and dick.
The dorm room Diet. Hey, you know, if you pour coffee into instant ramen, Yes, I've done that, by the way, we all been there, kind of proud of it. It's real good if you add in vodka. He is worth tens of millions of dollars and is not in any danger of being worth less anytime soon. We've talked a lot about the harms of his specific recommendations and the
disinformation he spreads. But at the end of this all, I keep coming back to that twenty ten New York Times article, specifically its end when I think about what may be his worst crime against medicine. Quote on the stairs at Columbia Presbyterian apropos of Nothing, he began talking about certain Japanese, Sardinian, and Costa Rican populations that live unusually long, and said that their shared trait was activity, activity, activity.
His first column for Time magazine, Living Long and Living Well, ran in a section called how to Live one hundred years. At another point in his Rockefeller Center office, he said that so many people thrill on to being on television because quote, there's an element of eternity to it. You are storing you, You are taking your life force for that brief moment when you're on camera, and you're storing that for all eternity, which makes you someone who will
never truly die. That is a fucking bonker's way of looking at being on TV. Shit, that is It's goddamn.
Mine is he is literally one year away from wanting to be buried with his cats. You know, like this dude wants some pyramids and some live cats in a casket with him.
This is he's a pharaoh.
Yeah, I'm going to continue the quote, and he described his own investment in television by saying, I've always felt that when I looked at my tombstone, it shouldn't say memet Oz banged out ten thousand open heart operations. I've probably done five thousand. Am I any better at it than ten thousand? He shook his head. It's just a different number on the tombstone. No, it's not. It's five thousand other people whose lives will actual there's a humor.
It's not about like you're how better it? You're already great at it. It's about saving additional lives.
My god, that it's that's wild.
One of the he has dramatically. He still does perform surgery. I think sometimes he certainly was in the late aughts because he's a doctor. He just doesn't do nearly as much. He used to do a lot more, and he's he's cut it by more than half the amount of actual hearts.
And it's the one thing he's good at. I mean, I almost He's amazing. Yeah.
So one of the things that I should note here is that right now, even with the assumption that every available training position for cardiothoracic surgeons is filled, we are looking at a projected shortage of fifteen hundred cardiothoracic surgeons or twenty five percent of the workforce by twenty twenty five.
For years fall.
There is a desperate need for the thing that he's definitely one of the best in the world at a tremendous and terrible need for it, and he has stopped doing that in order to give people bad medical advice that will hurt some of them on TV. And damn, I'm want to be really clear here, I am not saying that just because you become a cardiothoracic surgeon, you have to do that until the day you drop. You don't. You can quit, you can, and that's not immoral. It's
not evil to be like I've done enough. A good friend of mine was a cardiologist for thirty something years and quit to travel around the world as a photojournalist. And I don't think there's anything immoral. You do not owe the world doing just because it's valuable and there are enough people doing it forever. I am not, and you don't. You don't have to quit to do some other valuable job. You can just quit to enjoy your life with your family. I'm not saying that. Yeah, but
he didn't quit to be with his family. He quit to give people bad health advice that he quit. Yeah, he is doing something that should be illegal instead of performing an additional five thousand life saving surgeries.
Right.
Yeah, that's evil.
Yeah, No, that that is bad.
That is that is definitely immoral to like have the ability. It's like being Superman and having the ability to save someone from a burning building, but being like, fuck, dude, I'm kind of on my way to do this TV interview.
It's gonna get me more.
Yeah, but I'm going to sell people pills instead. Lex Luthor can suck it, you know, I got pills to move. The way that he phrases that is incredibly telling, right, Like it shouldn't say Memotas banged out ten thousand open heart operations? Am I any better at it than ten thousand? It's like that's not. I care that you get better at it to the extent that it improves patient outcome,
But like I don't care. Like the thing that's good about performing ten thousand open heart operations is presumably somewhere near ten thousand people have had their lives extended, because that's amazing. That's tens of thousands of cumulative, cumulative years get added to the lives of people who are loved and who do things themselves, who who do incredit like, who have their own ways of contributing to society.
Children Like, it's such a sick way of looking.
At it, really, because it's just like, I'm already really good at it.
So I decided I want to go get into TV.
Now, it's like if he if he'd been like I, I, you know, I did my car, I performed five thousand surgeries. Now I want to become an actor, Like you have that right, absolutely. I'm never gonna say that's.
I mean, it depends on the movie.
But yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, if you're in Michael Bay movies, we might have another talk exactly.
Yeah.
But that's again what it's not that he's decided he wanted to go into TV. It's not that he decided to go into an entertainment. It's that he decided to do a job. To go from doing a job where he was unequivocally saving lives to doing a job where he often gives people advice that could shorten or at least reduce the quality of their life.
I mean, I guess he got tired of helping people and was like, you.
Know, time to make some fucking bank.
Yeah, it's I mean, it's not just make some bank. But he's like, man, I saved ten thousand lives. I'm gonna have to kill ten thousand just to fucking net neutral this shit. You know.
Yeah, you know, he's just trying to He's trying to balance the scales of uh is good and evil.
It's so fucking frustrating. I really dislike this man.
Yeah, he's so handsome though, dude, I mean very handsome. He's very handsome. Uh he made a lot of money, so that's good. And uh, you know, he's he's he's out there every day given given hope to people who are currently dying of a very very treatable ailment and saying, nah, dog, put your feet in some hot rice, put your feet in some hot and see what happens. Dude, Just see what happens. You know, Like someone's got to be doing that job.
It's this fucking thing part of the doctor Oz problem, and the part of it that that he is he is leaning into but is not as fault. Is this thing that's a broader problem that I've gotten trapped in that a lot of that everyone who's a public figure is at risk of getting trapped in, which is the fact that if you're good at something and also have some measure of fame or popularity, you start to think
you can extend your skills to everything. I was in the gym the other day since I'm in Texas with my family, and since I'm vaccinated, and you know, everyone wears a mask, but I've been going to a gym. Yeah, and my family's vaccinated. It's like it's the thing we get to do now, Okay.
Yeah, you're allowed.
Yeah, I've been going to a gym. And the gyms have like news programs on right, and I saw Doctor Oz on and it was doctor oz True Crime, because I guess doctor oz has added a true crime thing where he's like talking about this woman who murdered her kids and interviewing like the ex wife of the husband of the woman who murdered her kids, and like do this and he's like, you don't have any why are
you doing this? Like, oh, because because it's popular with the same people who like your show, And why why like, why not why not stick your hand into this thing that is is deeply painful for a lot of people and make money off of it? Why not do it? Because if you're if you're fam missing good at one thing, there's no reason not to do absolutely everything. I I just hate it.
Yeah, it's especially since it's it's uh again, he he has the god given skills to actually do good and help people, and he chooses you know this shit, And I gotta.
Say I blame his dad.
His dad too is.
Yeah, you fucked up, dude.
I mean, you did a great job by pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and the YadA YadA, but uh, you know, maybe you should have maybe you should have maybe been more encouraging for him to just maybe you know, pick one thing and stay with it rather than you know, venture off into television. I will say, at least with the true crime stuff that like, I know, he's like he's a little bit kind of like getting into kind of our territory here with the podcast business, and I
don't like that. But I'm glad I don't have a true crime podcast that he's currently cannibalizing. If he starts a Sopranos one, I will lose my fucking mind. If doctor Oz decides one day like I want to do a prestige TV rewatch show for CNN, that'll be it. Dude, Oz, You'll be on my goddamn list.
I don't think his podcast publishers anymore. The one that he was doing. I don't see any new episodes. That's twenty nineteen.
Well, I mean he's doing a true crime show. That's That's as close as you get to the podcast business. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Those are the number one pods out there. Dude, pisses me off.
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Well, get out there and again find doctor Oz in the street and Sophie, what what is the legal definition of incitement.
I'm not. For reasons, I'm not going to answer that question.
All right, No, just just go out and wander the streets angry and and and agitated. Yeah, with a clear goal. Yeah, angrily wander the streets, agitated with an unclear goal. That's what I want all of my listeners to do.