Welcome to Become who you Are . Podcast production of the John Paul to renewal center . I'm Jack Rigor , your host . It's so good to have you with us .
We are going to be on a continuing saga , you know , if you haven't noticed , this is an incredible spiritual battle between good and evil , between our Lord and Satan , between the angels of good and the fallen angels , and we're part of this . We came into a story and that story was already a battle going on .
It's amazing how many people are missing this and just going a lot of that kumbaya into this battle with no armor , no understanding , no anything . So Tom and I and other guests on this show have been unpacking this for a long time . So I hope you enjoy today's perspective with Thomas Hampson , good friend of ours .
So buckle up and get ready for today's episode . I'm excited and grateful to be with my good friend , Thomas Hampson today . A lot of you know Tom already , so I'm not going to do a wide introduction , but Tom has been a crime investigator for most of his life , investigating things and going undercover with things like child sex trafficking , child porn , etc .
Etc . So Tom and I , as many of you know , have been speaking about stolen innocence , what's going on and what's happening to our children . You know the mental illness that we're seeing the families being torn apart by these ideologies really something . So I asked Tom to come back with me on the podcast today .
He wrote another great article called Different Perspectives and he starts out this way several essential characteristics separate humans from other animals . The most significant among them is our complex reasoning ability . We have reason . We have reason and we have free will . We're going to unpack that .
We're going to show how these ideologues and those that are concerned about gaining power can flip those things on their head and really come in and dehumanize , desensitize , sexualize our children , and we're trying to wake parents up and also give them some solutions so how they can go about this battle , because this battle is brutal . Tom , great to be with you .
How are you ?
Good to be here . I'm doing good .
So tell , and I open up a little bit . It's such a wonderful article , I almost feel like reading the whole article here . But you go on to say this we can solve problems throughout the full range of our current awareness . We have a powerful capability and we're getting back to our reason again to observe , collect , analyze facts .
We can formulate theories , design meticulous studies to test them out . We can debate the meaning of the findings and those studies . So I would say to you that this is all very true , right , we've been given reason and there's reasons for our reason . But our reason has become very unreasonable , it seems , today , and I would say there's a disconnect going on .
So why don't you take us through your thoughts a little bit when you wrote this article ? You refer to JB Pritzker in here , who seems to be leading this parade of these ideologues , and really I don't think there's any doubt he's just grasping for power right here . And unless it's more nefarious than that and it could be- I don't know .
I don't know , but what he's doing is using a false argument that children should be able to be exposed to different perspectives rather than just the perspectives of one group of people .
So essentially , he's justifying providing books to children like genderqueer and crank and some of these other truly pornographic books in school libraries and in public libraries available for children to review , on the basis that children have the ability to reason , they have the ability to look at these things and make decisions on their own and they need to be
exposed to different perspectives . The fallacy he incorporates into his reasoning is that children don't have the capacity to fully reason until they're 25 years old . The last part of the brain that's developed is the prefrontal cortex , which is the part of the brain that where reasoning is centered . So children are not equipped to properly evaluate different perspectives .
What he's doing is using the argument of exposing children to different perspectives as a way to desensitize them to all manner of information . If you feed a child information about sexuality or about anything , about any subject at all , they are going to accept it .
They're not going to automatically weigh the values , pros and cons at different perspectives , because they don't have the capacity to do it .
That's why I mean that's such a great way . You just open that up . So we start off with reason here , and then Tom's making the point , of course , going back to our presentation at the library which was talking about these issues , and we actually got banned from the library and because we were exposing books .
That , to Tom's point , the children are not ready for , and Pritzker's making a point , and so are the pushback that we got from the library and other people are we should be exposing these children to anything , otherwise it's called book banning .
But Tom's point and , tom , I think we really really distressed this is these children don't have a reason that's fully developed yet , and so our role as parents and as society in general is to protect children's innocence , allow them time to mature and and but ideal logs and this is the other side of that , tom , as you know very well ideal and so of course ,
marxist and the Nazis and going . You know that this is not . This is in our recent history .
The Chinese , they all know , get the kids early , before their reasoning is developed , and you can plant these seeds in their minds , and they were very hard to get rid of Once these young people are desensitized , when they are become addicted to pornography and sexually abusing one another and all kinds of different things that go on , and they grew me that goes
on from adults . This is set to move them out into a culture and we see this , don't we , tom , with these young people and these college kids on college campuses now that have been used and abused in such a way that they are no longer reasonable . You can see what they're doing on college campuses . Your point is well taken .
You know parents need to step up and protect their children while they're being developed and and don't allow don't allow the powers to be to tell you that that the experts are right in this .
You know , use your common sense and and I'll , and I'll try to be quiet for a minute , tom , and let you let you open up on that , but it , this is this just pisses me off , right , and it's just amazing . And the other thing that that does , now that I said I was going to be quiet , is that parents are allowing this to happen .
Parents are saying , well , they're the experts and , to your point , your child is not ready to be shown pornography and to be sexualized , and what are you thinking ?
Right . Well , there there's books with fun house or something like that that . There they're actually are illustrated representations of oral sex in that book , involving teenagers , and these are the kinds of books that they're providing to children in schools . Well , do we really want to have our children exposed to a values free indoctrination ? I don't .
I wouldn't want my children taught that way , and one of the problems with it that's happening in many of the schools is that the teachers are essentially setting themselves up as the friend of the child and the parents up as the enemy .
Basically , the child can talk to the teacher , but the parent might not understand , and so maybe they're best to just leave any questions they have for the teacher to ask , because the parents are going to tell them something that's wrong .
Yeah . So let's kind of dig into some of the specifics here . So what we were asking for , especially in schools , school libraries and that includes the digital versions is not to allow pornography and those types of material obscene material to allow kids as young as 10 years old and under to be exposed to . I mean , this doesn't seem like a stretch to me .
But then Pritzker comes in and he signed HB 2789 into law and he's all excited about this because he's proud of this . His statement is Illinois became the first state in the nation to ban book bans , and it's amazing , right . So he's banning book bans .
So here's the point that you make and I think it's very , very important for all of us that are confronting these issues is to ask specifics , specifically , what do you mean by that ? And you stay in here . Unlike Republicans , I want our children to read as much as they can . I guess this is Pritzker right .
Unlike Republicans , I want our children to read as much as they can and to read different perspectives . So here , tom , we would ask what perspectives are you talking about and what age children are you talking about ?
And we have to get specific because , as you know , when we're in these discussions and for parents that are listening today push back a little bit , ask them specifics , because otherwise you know and we'll get to this in a second they're going to call you white supremacists , nazis , fascists . It's amazing , tom .
But if we ?
ask them that . And the second thing I would say is that you , as a parent , need to know where you stand on these issues . Tom and I talk a lot about having a biblical perspective . You should know how to push back on this a little bit , at least in your own mind , in your own home . You should be teaching your children this .
So there's two things You're going to have to do a little homework , get up to speed on this , and exactly what morality , what virtues , what principles do you stand on , and you're going to have to pass those on to your kids . You can't let these experts do this .
Right and one of the things that one of the reasons that we got banned was a book that's in the library . That in that St Charles Library where we were banned is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual and it's the manual of mental disorders that is used by psychiatrists and psychologists . That's how they determine payment who gets paid for what ?
If somebody has a mental disorder , then it's a justified , counseling is justified and the psychiatrists or psychologists can be reimbursed . But in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual I told the librarian that I pointed out that transgender gender dysphoria is still listed as a mental disorder .
Well , she said that is enough to ban us from the library because that is spreading hate , that's offensive to people , because there are some people that don't agree that it should be in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual .
So here it is , that just by pointing out something that's in one of the books in their library to a group of adults , this is enough to get us banned from using the meeting space at the library . This is absurd . And yet any child can go into that library and read or review any book . That is horrendously pornographic .
And it's very interesting right that they're gonna ban you . And she said that and again , just to back up so people understand what we were talking about . And what we were doing is we were just showing parents an essence .
Our goal was to show parents how to look up these books so that they knew what was in the libraries , and we weren't telling them what decision to make . We said go in there , read these books , and if you read our newsletters and the articles that Tom and I write , you'll be able to look up these books for yourself .
So we're teaching you how to fish and make up your own decisions . But here's what they said to Tom and the library will not discriminate in making its premises available for use based on viewpoints expressed by applicants on race , national origin , religion , sex , gender , sexual orientation , political affiliations and physical limitations of its applicants .
Thus , the contracting parties event will not promote or have the effect of promoting discrimination , contempt or hatred against any group on race , national origin , religion , sex , gender or political affiliations . And it just did . It just did because it banned us . And so parents and people listen .
You have to understand that when you tell a room of adults , of parents that are concerned about making value , moral and value judgments , not to discriminate . We say , okay , well , okay , so you can't discriminate against us . Then obviously for being in there and using this facility , but it's amazing , tom , again , how they flipped this around , isn't it ?
Yeah , it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever . And if so in this case , children are allowed to be exposed to different perspectives , no matter how really offensive those perspectives are to me as an adult . But I am not allowed to share different perspectives with adults because that's too offensive to permit .
Yeah , and this won't make sense . And to anybody getting back to your premise or your article here is that human beings are a biological essence . Right , god uses the clay , but he gives us this thing called reason . Right and reason just from a philosophical standpoint . Reason is that , deep within us , it's the search for the truth . What is truth ?
I mean , that's the essence of reason . You look around the world and say what's true , and then you have free will and , using the truth that you've discovered through your reason , you say what is good , what is really good ? Is it good to show kids pornography ? Is it good to show them anal sex when they're eight years old , nine years old , 10 years old ?
Of course it's not right . I mean , any civilization , any civil person should know that . And then you use your free will to choose the good . No , that's not good . So , whatever they get into when they're 21 , 22 or 25 , when their reason's fully formed , that's another situation . But these are my children .
They're nine years old , 10 years old , and my reason told me that this is not the truth of my morality , of my principles . And so I'm gonna choose the good . My free will becomes a motor to the good , and when I choose the good . I become the good . I bring good into the culture . I am good and the culture around me becomes good .
What we're seeing , tom , isn't it ? We're seeing a total flip of that on its head , and we're seeing the violence in the street . We're seeing sexual perversions being multiplied . This will not stop . This will not stop until people stand up and become the good .
Right before we came on , tom , you said that we're spiritual people and , in essence , if we don't fight these battles and bring the good in , it was Edmund Burke right , the Englishman , who said all that it takes for evil to find its way into our culture is for good men to do nothing . And that's what's happening here ?
Well , the other thing is that you've got here . You've got the two major religions in the world Christianity and Islam . Both believe that there are two sexes men and women , male and female . You cannot say that in the St Charles Library , Because that's offensive to people , or in a public school system , or in a public school system that is .
That is too offensive . This is , this is the different Perspectives law that Governor Pritzker signed that prevents two of the biggest religions To in inculcate the values of the parents into their children . That the schools are doing exactly Teaching exactly the opposite of that .
Yeah , and that's one of my comment about whether this is nefarious or not , right , just evil , moving religion out . But we're certainly moving religion out , and this gets back to the viewpoint , what you know , that , what the library said you can't discriminate on religion . You know this is part of our , our laws , right ?
But but let's go a step further , let's let's connect what you just said to our reason . Again , you don't have to be a Christian or a Muslim to be able to use your reason . You know reason is part of the natural law , part of the natural law that says you know that's this is in the human heart to seek the truth . What is the truth ?
If you're not seeking the truth , you know you're lacking a human quality . You know we all want to know who we are , you know what's the best way to to live , and you use your reason to do that and , again , your free will to choose what you found is is good . So you don't have to be a Christian or a Muslim to know that .
Early sexualization , stealing the innocence of young children , sexualizing them and Grooming them and or using them for a political purpose like political pawns . You know that something's wrong with this and and so this is a human issue . Right , this is a human issue .
Well , yeah , it certainly is .
There is an effort to Teach an ideology that's contrary to all reason whatsoever that if you , if you teach , start teaching which they are doing now Children at four years old that just because you were born and the doctor looked at your Body and determined at birth that you were a boy or a girl , that doesn't mean that you're a boy or a girl .
This is what they're being taught in schools now , starting at four years old even younger in some places they're . They're being taught that their body doesn't determine their , their gender , their , their sexuality . Now how confusing is that to a child ?
And but if you keep teaching that child throughout his entire school career that it is up to you to determine whether you're a boy or girl , what's gonna happen to that child ? And what we've seen over the last several years is is a dramatic increase in children who are identifying with LGBT .
The it started off in my generation was 2.8 and then currently in schools right now it's 26% identifies LGBT .
Yeah , and you know , tom , it's causing a lot of other mental anguish with kids and again , anxiety .
Anxiety is off . The Is off the scale . Suicides are have dramatically increased over the last several years . Children are Disturbed .
They are , they are not Happy you're turning back to some practical points for parents again , ask questions . You know , you put it in here . You know who's banning books , what books are being banned . So , if somebody's confronted me , right , well , you know how big of a problem is this , right ?
And so the governor , and listen to this , because , again , getting back to your reason and thinking through this thing , when you don't have a reasonable argument , what's gonna happen ? And you see this all the time . And so this is the , this is the , this is the governor . Book bans are about censorship , marginalizing people , marginalizing ideas and facts .
Regimes ban books , not democracies . And again , I would ask the governor you know this is not about a book band . This gets back to a point at what age are you showing these books to children ? And what gives you the right to do that , to make these moral judgments ?
What gives you the right to step over parents who say that my nine-year-old does not need to know about oral or anal sex ? And and then he goes on again . And this happens over and over again . This is how they shut you down . This is such a Tom . This is such a ridiculous old lie and and propaganda . The way they use propaganda .
They use this , and my dad is a World War two vets still alive and they used to use this propaganda . You know coming over the radios , you know trying to get to to American troops and stuff . He says this I , I laugh when I see this . Right , this is such an old way to do this Nazi Germany , fascist Italy , the Taliban .
We refuse to let , but we refuse to let a vitriol strain of white nationalism cursing through our country determine whose histories are told not in Illinois . And and so here's a White rich man , the epitome of privilege .
You know , speaking about this sitting on billions of dollars could probably save , could probably A thousands of us could retire on his billions seeking power , right , spending all this money to get power , to ram this , these ideologies , down our throats that are so old and and so what I would ask is when you're talking about Nazi Germany , fascist , the Taliban , do
you mean parents ? Is that what you mean ? Parents and school boards ?
when you're talking about white nationalism ?
Yeah , do you mean the age ? Yeah , the Asians and the and the black family that are standing up with us , the Muslim families . I are these all white national , rich , white nationalist . Yeah , and here's a white rich man that that never had to work a day in his life , that becomes a governor for power and , and , and , and .
You know it's amazing , right , but they can flip it around and the reason I bring it up again is that they will use this as specifics . Governor , what age do you think we should teach kids about oral and anal sex ? Because that's what we're doing and he's not gonna answer you . He's gonna get back to . You must be a white nationalist or white supremacist .
You must be a Christian , you must be this . I say that's you didn't answer my question . We need to dig in and ask specifically , because when you do , you won't get an answer , and if you do get an answer it's gonna be trying to take you off base . You need to bring them back to this again , right ?
Yeah , it's a false argument . This is what he's . He's accusing us to be us of being the followers of Hitler , the fascist , the Taliban kind of people , when in effect , it was Hitler that is , and the Hitler youth that that were indoctrinated to hate the Jews . It was the .
It's the Children in the Hamas schools , in the madrasas in Gaza , that are taught to hate the Jews and the Americans that we are and taught that we all should die . And in our schools right now , they're being children , are being taught that they decide whether they're a boy or girl . They decide and they can change back and forth if they want to .
They're taught these things that have no foundation in science whatsoever . This is the kind of indoctrination that's going on with our with our children . It's unrelated to reality .
Yeah , and again , we'll wind up here , tom , with it , with how you started your article with reason , reason is a search for the truth . All I gotta do as I'm changing is diaper per , look down and tell and I'll know if he's a boy or a girl and there's only two sexes .
I might as well just state this up front and if you see a third one , I give a time and I a call and we'll talk about it on the , on the podcast . But anyways , my point being , you know , look out , see what's true , what is true , what is the truth ? Are there three or four or 26 different sexes and genders ? And of course there's not .
There's two right and and . And these poor kids that are put through this and have to suffer through all this stuff . It's really a shame and as parents , we need to stand up . But you have to stand up soon . You have to stand up . When kids are young , you become the expert on this .
You share your morality on this , you share the biblical perspective on this and if you do it early , you are now the expert parent . And when your kids go to school , you , you warn them already that they're gonna hear other perspectives in in school , and they're gonna hear it already and To weigh it against what their parents have taught them .
But if you do not do this and you leave your child and avoid in a vacuum , evil can come into your heart very easily . Just like Edmund Burke said , all it takes is for evil to succeed , is for good men and good parents to do nothing . Tom , any last words ?
Well , they people do need to start doing something pretty quick , because there's already .
The Biden administration has introduced new rules that are going to be enforced by the Eglom point of an opportunity commission requiring employers to enforce Calling People by their preferred pronouns and if they don't , they could be prosecuted or sued by the Justice Department if they don't , if they don't adhere to that .
So , in other words and this is going to spread throughout our , our culture , and it's going to get right into the schools where other children have to refer to somebody by the pronoun that they choose . And you got to remember that Started off with only a few LGBT .
Now there's LGBT QIA to s plus , and then , on top of that , the number of actual genders that they're identifying is now considered to be infinite . Oh , yeah , so there's an infinite number of pronouns you could be required to tell . Call somebody .
Yeah , we have to remember pronouns with the person's name , because at the end of the day , tom , when you , when reason becomes unreasonable , there's no stopping it , right it , you know . Your , your feelings , your emotions become as unique as the next human being .
Every single human being is going to come up with their own sex , their own gender , their own feelings and , at the end of the day , we're all going to die , and I'm very serious about this . We're all going to die .
We're going to find out that our life was basically a search for In futility , of trying to find out what's true , good and beautiful in the world , you know . And so , yeah , we've got our battle , don't we ? Everybody you know , thanks for joining us today . Read Tom in Tom , we're working .
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