#418 Social Emotional Learning; the Struggle for the Child's Soul with Rhonda Thomas

Not only is our school system , our public education system in the United States , failing our students to teach them the basics of English , math , history , science .

It's indoctrinating them these nefarious critical theories not critical race theory , critical gender theory , critical queer theory but one of the more nefarious ways they do this is this hypodermic needle they use to inject this into our hearts and minds and very bodies of our children a social emotional learning , SEL .

And it's not so easy to get your hands , your arms around because it seems to be in everything today . So , to help us understand this , Rhonda Thomas is with us today . She's the co-founder of Truth and Education . So buckle up and get ready for today's episode . I'm excited and grateful to be with Rhonda Thomas today .

Rhonda is the founder and president of Atlanta based Truth and Education that educates parents through exposing harmful anti-Christian trends , curriculum and policies in the school systems .

Rhonda's been politically involved for over 20 years with both local and national organizations as work with legislators on bills and issues that affect education , children and the families , Always minister-minded . Rhonda is a national speaker who works with like-minded organizations to inspire parents to advocate for their children . Rhonda Thomas , is so good to be with you .

Thank you .

So I'm going to ask you two things Tell us a little bit about Truth and Education and your work there , and then also how you're feeling about waking up those parents , because I think that was one of the biggest challenges through the years for us , Rhonda was trying to wake up parents to what their children are being exposed to in the public school systems .

So this is not a new issue that we're dealing with , but I began to dig into some of this and God just called me into this . I've been doing this , we have , or I have , for seven years , but Truth and Education wasn't formalized as a nonprofit until probably two years ago and we are mostly Georgia focused .

We have a couple of chapters outside of Georgia One is South Carolina and one of Alaska , of all places . We really are focused in Georgia , so we have chapters throughout Georgia . Waking up parents has been our goal . We are a Christian organization so we speak a lot in churches . Our goal is really to wake up the church and to wake up parents .

It's more than a lot of parents can take in , and a lot of parents are somewhere in their life where they maybe sometimes don't want to know , because sometimes when we know something , we feel like we've got to do something about it . And they're busy .

And then there are those parents that really honestly just don't want the responsibility and it makes me sad to say that Taking that on with their children , their education and sometimes we certainly find that , and we also find the parents , unfortunately , on the other side of this issue and really don't see anything wrong with it .

I know people who have to do diversity , equity and inclusion classes , some every week and when your parents are hearing a lot of this terminology at work and then they come home and their children are mentioning some of those same terms , they don't think anything of it .

I don't think they understand , though , the depth of what's happening to their children in the schools and of course , we know children don't have critical thinking skills like parents do , but they just hear the surface . They're not aware of how dangerous this is and how it's being used within the school systems . Dr John , L Dixon .

We were just banned from a local library for giving a talk on what we call stolen innocence , rhonda , which is really exposing all those things you're talking about , the national sex standards which are being promoted heavily here in Illinois , pornography in the schools and the school libraries . You almost can't imagine what those look like .

So we bring that to parents and show them actually on a PowerPoint . You know how they can investigate those and what's going on and what's in there . And then we add to this the hydra of critical theories right , critical race theory , critical gender theory , critical queer theory and DEI .

And then I think about , I think about the climate ideology you know , and , and . But while all these things that we describe and define , for parents , nothing seems to be as difficult to define and describe as this fad of SEL , social emotional learning . And you know you talk about a hydra , you know that's got its tentacles and everything .

You know I've heard it called a atrocious horse and I and I like that really , or like a hypodermic needle that can be filled with almost anything and injected into the very hearts and minds and bodies now of our children . So of all of those issues , I think the hardest thing to .

There's no way to give an elevator speech on this , but I know that you speak about all of these different issues , but you did such a good job in a couple of different things that I've seen trying to help parents get their minds around SEL that I thought I have to ask her to come on our show and help us do this .

And I know this is not easy , but you did a marvelous job a couple of times . So our objective around I'll just put out in front is to be able to help parents stand up at school board meetings and articulate this enough that we can open the dialogue and then with their neighbors and their families . So we're working with people to do this .

But so if you can help us a little bit about with that today anything that you can share in any way , we can kind of get this organized in our minds in a way that we can kind of be able to relate this back to other people .

I want to read a quote to you from Stalin Joseph Stalin , in fact Christopher Rufo put this in his new book the production of souls is more important than the production of tanks .

Stalin said to a group of artists assembled at the home of Maxim Gorky and 32 , explaining that the communists desired not only to me remake the world of politics and economics , but to replace human nature according to the dictates of left wing ideology . And that is what SEL is doing . Sel actually has an occult background to it .

The founders of CASEL , c-a-s-e-l dot org . If your listeners are not familiar , sel is the main online platform for social emotional learning and all other platforms have to align with CASEL . So this is their main framework the founder of CASEL , his mentor that he really looked up to was Mr Fetzer of the Fetzer Institute .

Mr Fetzer's mentor was Alice Bailey , and Alice Bailey was the founder of the Luciferian Publishing Company . This is really SEL . I'm going to call Social Emotional Learning SEL . Sel is designed to steal the spirit of our children , their free will to change their beliefs , their behaviors , their attitudes , their relationships .

And we saw that happen during COVID , where they social distanced , which affects their relationships . Look what comes through relationships all knowledge , all family confidence , our relationship with God . So when we're destroying relationships , we're really destroying the child . So Social Emotional Learning is in every subject in our schools . You cannot opt out of it .

It comes into the schools with through the counselors mostly , and everyone is fed the line that this is to help teachers and counselors understand their students how it's going to help them academically , because if they're healthy emotionally then they can learn better , and we know that's true . But this , this is not the same thing .

You can opt out , by the way and parents need to know this of ever meeting with a school counselor , and we highly recommend that they're trained to be college and career counselors . So they're really causing a lot of damage . I'm going to explain SEL , starting out as our psychologist does . It's on our board .

Our children leave our homes feeling confident and loved and they enter into these school buildings and they're on an unlevel playing field . All day long . They're experiencing trauma . When a girl goes , a boy goes to a girl's bathroom , that's a hit . It's trauma .

When they're sitting in these wellness circles in the morning , which is SEL , and they're just constantly reflecting on themselves , that's trauma and it also creates victimhood , by the way , when what their best friend decides .

So part of what they're also doing is sharing their problems with the children so that the children will share more with them . So we're removing that authority figure . That's trauma . Children are taking on burdens they should not be taking on . And also it's trauma when you are constantly focused on yourself , your feelings , your family issues , whatever it is .

You're kept in that constant state of reflection . They're not really helping them get past their problems . They're saturated .

I have to focus not only on myself , but to see other people , to be assistants to them , to be friends with them . So when we become the self-focused person , we're not really fully human and we can become obsessed with all of these issues and problems . We get into our own little bubble .

Sorry about that , but I think it's just such an important point to make .

So healing comes through our relationship with Christ , and when that happens , our eyes are turned toward Him and outward , and so these children are just kept focused on themselves , self-reflection , and that's what they're doing with our teachers and our counselors . They're doing the same thing .

They're self-reflecting to make sure they don't have any biases , and what are their motives behind their thoughts . So they're also being brainwashed .

So it's very important for our parents to understand this is so much deeper than what they're hearing in their corporate world , even though that's hard to deal with I know it is but they can leave there and hopefully shut it out of their minds and keep going forward , where children just really can't do that .

Right , I mean , at the end of the day , there's no moral values anymore , we're just moral relativists . And so these poor children come in and they are no longer able to discern what's good and what's bad , what's true and what's false , what's beautiful and what's profane , and I become this little body that can just manipulate it then and move around .

It will , and it's a scary thing .

You have to understand social , emotional world . Learning is a world view . It was two days , so for a Christian , this was bothersome . Two days of Hinduism , Buddhism , the spirit , Gandhi , Buddha . It's the New World interfaith religion and that's what they're bringing into our schools .

This is their goal and if , as a Christian , we know it's , it's a battle between good and evil , right . So , four to 14 is the largest age group to accept Christ . Well , here they are in our schools , moving them away from that , trying their best .

So the more AI that comes into our schools , the more opportunity they're going to be able to do that , isn't it ?

They don't call it prayer , they'll call it yoga or mind relaxation techniques or whatever , but they know we need this .

And if they can keep you to your point of turning yourself outward to what's true , right , which of course we would say Christ , but really what's the transcendental right , what's true , good and beautiful , and when they can just take you and they can keep you in the selfish kind of self-reflection again that you said , can't they ?

So , in their view , mindfulness is being used to remove everything that the church and the parent has taught the children , wiping it clean so they can then go in and through SEL . By the way , sel has five tenants self-management , self-awareness , responsible decision-making , social relationships and social awareness and relationship skills .

If your listeners will just imagine a puzzle in a circle , puzzle pieces , all those five tenants are in a puzzle and in the center . If they're teaching comprehensive sex ed , that goes in the center of these five tenants .

So everything is taught through these five tenants of SEL , which means it's taught through tolerance , emotion , behavior all of this , not through logic or critical thinking . So take DEI , as put in the middle of those five tenants , and it's taught through the lens of SEL .

Everything is taught through the lens of SEL and that is why , unless you get rid of social , emotional learning and the only way to do that is to cut off the money , and there I don't see that happening and it's so deep and embedded it would take a while .

But unless social emotional learning is dealt with , which is making it possible to destabilize our children's emotions and keep them in confusion and able to teach these different ideologies through that , it's gonna be very difficult to change the schools .

It's a gentleman talking to elementary school students who says have you ever known a non-white to pass a law that affects a white ? No , so until whites experience slavery , jim Crow , and cannot vote , I do not believe in anti-racism . Now that is elementary students hearing this talk . They don't understand it . It goes over their head .

The sad part is this isn't just about whites . This is about black and brown children . This is the Hegelian dialectic where they're going to create friction between us and cause hatred . They're actually teaching these children to hate each other for an outcome , and the outcome is to control . So this is harming everyone .

Even though that video was geared toward white children , this is harming everyone . It's teaching black and brown children they cannot succeed unless you hold the other back . This is really harming everyone . So this isn't really about one race or culture .

It's about an outcome of being able to create a generation of children that they can control , and they're doing that through SEL , so those live videos can come and go at any time , based at the publisher . So I would tell you that most of the time , a lot of the administration has no clue what our children are being given , and they're able to go outside .

When you have an internet , they go outside to more third parties to learn more , and so it's very hard to control what's being taught in the classroom because of the online platforms .

I mean , when you start to go backwards and I don't know if we want to go there , like you said , keep it simple and we can go deep , but this has been going on and being taught .

I remember my children are closer to 40 than they are 30 now , and that's why I'm in Denver actually , I'm here to defend my seventh grandchild from this craziness , rana , that we're experiencing .

But I remember my oldest daughter coming back in the mid 80s from university and spewing some of this out already , and it kind of caught me off guard talking about the Bible as being a false teaching and blah , blah , blah , blah , blah , and they go down this rabbit hole and I thought , wow , where did she get that from ?

Well , unfortunately , those teachers of her age are now teaching in the elementary schools , and so they have this in them already . So do we know what the percentage of teachers are that are behind this more than anything else ?

Yes , they are I think it's true that yesterday that he was not harassed but harmed by a student and the only thing of course they did to them was keep him out of his room for one day . So I know that the counselors are the heaviest part of all this of SEO . And my friend that's my age went back to get her counseling degree last year .

Her very first semester she had to get an attorney because her professor accused her of trying to debunk critical race theory . So she was concerned that they would put her out and she couldn't get her grades to go finish somewhere else . So her last semester was an ongoing debate with the professor about men having babies .

So she said Rhonda , they're being taught all this . These counselors are also being taught to hate men . So she said these are the counselors that are going to be coming into our schools . Now we know there's probably a few exceptions , but this is what's expected of them and they believe it .

I attended the National School Counseling Association's conference about three months ago . I knew most everything that they were talking about . They were a part of it . It was all social justice .

Social emotional learning mimics mental health and causes mental health issues . The other thing that was stated is , their ethical duty is above the law . They will advocate for their students by all means necessary . Now , how do you even legislate against that kind of evil .

The other thing they said was if we cannot talk about it , then we'll just saturate our room in it . And I will tell you it works , because God says bad company corrupts , right . So they were saying we'll just put pride flags on the wall , we'll put a picture of myself and my partner on our desk . That is , that works . We know it works Scripturally .

God says that works . So they're not . They're wise in the wrong way . So they have their plans . And the other thing is if we can't use pronouns , we'll use nicknames . So they are spending 24 seven figuring out how they're going to go around all of this , whatever law we pass . And if you think about it , it's not that hard to do .

You just change how you do it . And they were stating that they will be a martyr for this . This is how much they believe in it .

We're starting to put those up on our websites , because you almost have to watch some of this stuff to see how nefarious it is . But I just put the one up of Senator John Kennedy reading to our Illinois Secretary of State you know Gender-queer , I think , and all boys aren't blue , and and you just read parts of that . I think it's worth .

An image is worth a thousand words .

I think that the video that you're alluding to is worth it too , because if it's the same what I'm thinking about , and if it's not , it's , it's gonna be similar that the teachers themselves are saying you know , we need to get to these children when they're early , and now I'm all right and amalueable and and and able to freely form them , and you really see

how , how disastrous this is . So , with all of that said , if a parent was going to talk about this at a , say , a school board , and they have three or four minutes , what would be the main points and , and this may be impossible . So if it is , it is and just say it , don't be afraid to say it .

But is it impossible for us to just you have three minutes and not unpack all of SEL , but just to hit these major things and say because if it's as embedded in our Schools as you say it is and I know that for a fact , so I'm totally agreeing with that Then the best thing to do , of course , is to pull our kids out of school , the home school them ,

send them to maybe a Christian school , if you can lucky enough to find even a good Christian school Nowadays . I mean , some of them you have to really check into . But we can't just leave these children in in these public schools without standing up for them , whether our kids are there or not .

Rounder , because there are neighbors there , they're , they're going to associate with our children , maybe his friends and , and so we're gonna have to continue to speak the truth , and I know that that's one of the things that you feel called to do , and I certainly do too .

You mentioned earlier that you know the church is all of us , and it includes the laity and , and in these kind of issues , it especially , I think , concerns the laity and and educating ourselves and coming up the speed on this . But so I okay , good , thank you .

It's a lever for social justice . It promotes activism and division . It's spiritually , mentally and emotionally abusive . I can send this to you if that would be helpful .

So , so , if we picked a few of those bullet points and kind of expounded on those , maybe tried to find some examples right that are going to , you know it's , it's the best way to do .

It is to tell stories right , to take some of those bullet points and build a story around there and and try to wake up , because I and I'll tell you why I'm thinking about this I'm thinking about it for myself even more than anything else , but I do teach how to stand up in school board meetings , and , and I was just at a local school board meeting with

some of my grandkids go I and it was my first school board meeting there we moved to a different school district and everything was boring , as usual at most school things , talking about this and that and all of a sudden , at the end , they said , okay , well , can you come up and tell us doctor so-and-so and doctor so-and-so they're all doctors of education ,

right , which I think if you have a PhD in education , I think it means psychological head disorder , right , unfortunately . But they stood up and they talked for 40 minutes about how excited they were about bringing SEL and CASEL into our schools and they were gonna spend $8 million over a few years . I mean , we're not a huge school district .

How do you spend $8 million on this stuff ? And I looked up at the board , at the school board which would be worked so hard to bring conservative members in and they are , but they're new . Here's my point they're new and they're listening to this .

But I looked at their faces , rhonda , and they didn't really understand really SEL , nor did the doctors unfolding this , unfortunately , right , I mean , I listened to them for 40 minutes and I go I wonder if they know what they just said , because they didn't seem like it . They get caught up in their own babble .

So I think it's important for us to stand up right and at these school board meetings and go wait a second . You're right . $8 million to put SEL in to do what ? To do what ?

Well , in one of our high schools and this is a great example in Gwinnett County , the United Nations Association has a conference scheduled with one of our high schools November the 4th to do a climate change conference to create change makers . So that's another thing that SEL does .

It creates an activist and that's why we're seeing more and more young people on the street . So they're feeding them these agendas and then they're training them on how to go out and use their voice , and their voice is not the voice we would like for them to have . So that's a good example right there of a Marxist agenda .

I can tell you another story of a little girl in one of our counties . So coming up with stories is a fantastic idea to align with these that are local to you . But you know we have restorative justice in our schools , which also works with SEL . That was an Obama policy of stopping the school to jail pipeline , so that's why we have so much bad behavior .

There is a book I wanna recommend and you should put on your website . It's called why Meadow Died . Meadow Died in the Parkland Shooting . It's a very small book but you will understand completely every school board member should have this why we are dealing with the behavior issues that we are within our school .

There is no control over that , so and they sweep all the bad behavior under the rug . So you can't send them out of your classroom , you can't do anything . They're just there physically assaulting other kids and just disruptive , but in one of our counties . So if you look at this as a world , it undermines the gospel .

There was a school resource officer that called me and said there was a six year old in one of their classrooms that was acting out and of course they can't do anything . So the principal told the teacher to just clear the room and let her throw her fit . Well , she did , but he said she totally destroyed that classroom and three times screened out .

There is no God . There is no God . Now what ? six year old would be doing that . It is quite interesting . I just don't believe people understand the psychological effect this is having on our children . Let me tell you one more thing .

I don't know how much time we have , but I sat in on a two day symposium for Christian headmasters from all over the country . It was here in Atlanta at a Christian school , and it was two days of critical race theory , diversity , equity , inclusion , all the books , everything , and they took it in and they wrapped it in scripture .

In Atlanta it is very difficult to find a Christian school or a private school that is not a woke public school , because they've all taken this in and I've had two parents recently and Catholic school they have two .

So I've had two parents recently call me and just petrified because they've changed out of the public school to go to a Christian school and now they're bringing in SEL and they know the dangers of SEL . And so I said well , you know you're at the beginning of this .

You need to get parents together and educate them on what this is and what it does and hopefully keep them from doing that . So what I'm saying is is this is so nefarious and it's in everything , and it's very difficult .

There's a lot of grant money out there and I would say that's where a lot of this money is coming into our schools , if you look at the people that have given . This is one of the biggest budget items we have is social emotional learning . So it's very important and so at all points Do you ?

So if you think about what's happening in our schools with the pornographic books , the comprehensive sex ed , we've accomplished , by the way , all of these goals but one , and that's the international bank , but 24- .

Number 24 is eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship and the violation of free speech . So we know that 43 of our United States K through 12 libraries are exempt from the obscenity law . The books are in our schools legally . Until those laws change , the books are not coming out .

We can do all kinds of band-aids and workarounds , but the books won't come out until that law has changed . Number 25 is break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books , magazines , motion pictures , radio and TV . And then the last is 26 , present homosexuality , a degeneracy , and promiscuity as normal , natural and healthy .

They've done that . They've done it to children . So that is part of the 45 communist goals . You can find them in our congressional record for 1963 .

No , I don't know where people are on it , I'm just gonna share what I know and then I do that because I think we should think of both sides and then make our own decisions . But the school choice is pushed by the UN School choice .

The UN says that homeschooling is unsustainable and we know that everything happening within our schools is Coming straight from UNESCO , which is the education arm of the UN .

Our first school board protests in the US was when the UNESCO came into our country in 1950 and it was an LA , and At that time the UN told any book publisher that wanted to align with them they had to start eroding our history . So we know the UN is a big part of this . Even the national sexuality standards are not written by Anyone in the US .

They're written by international Planned Parenthood , human rights , but yet we've adopted them . So the goal for school choice is To bring all our schools , schooling of any type , under one umbrella and privatize it . Even if we pull it all under one umbrella , the federal money never stops . So what's really going to change ? What's going to change is whose ?

Control of our schools . So one of the largest funders of school choice and charter schools is the Walton Foundation . The Walton Foundation is Big into the LGBTQ movement . They're now into health care and we have all these school health clinics coming in which are going to be profit-based . And what's going to happen if we privatize all of our education ?

Is Walton going to do what they do with Walmart and come in and under a Mine ? Everyone else , and everybody else gets squeezed out . Charter schools are already public , private partnerships . They have their own management organizations . They are for profit .

Charter schools have flexibility , which means they can experiment , and what we're seeing is our children are being experimented on . Also , they're offering this to homeschoolers and I believe it's a trap for homeschoolers . They could take homeschooling at any time but there would be a big uproar . But if you take it a bite at a time , no one's going to notice .

So Arizona is the big model bill for homeschooling and If you look at that now , homeschoolers don't apply as homeschoolers . They apply as education savings accounts . So now they've blended them right into the public system .

They're being collected data on and if those homeschoolers don't teach to the assessment they have to take every year and they don't pass it , that's going to be a dark spot on homeschoolers . So either way , they're not going to come out of this looking good .

Also , they use the eye wallet , which Georgia also has , for their marketplace and where they get their funds , and we believe that's going to be where all of their social credit score information would be held .

They're medical , their behavior , everything their academic and Because what we're doing through SEL is creating a social credit score on our children all the data that's being collected . In fact , there's something called positive behavior intervention system and they actually in some school systems are using QR code , code barcodes .

When a child does something good , they score it . When they don't , they take away from it .

So all of this is leading to the other thing we do through SEL and all these surveys is they control the algorithms on the Computers to move the children where they want to go , based on the data that is collected , if they're not going in the direction they want them to go . So this is a big , big picture .

But school choice , really it's also a redistribution of wealth . I can't . My property taxes probably wouldn't cover one voucher . So what's going to happen if I have five children ? Everyone's going to be paying for this . That's not conservative View .

And what's going to happen when somebody might want to start a Christian school , but someone might want to start a Muslim school , somebody might want to start a transgender school . All that money , we're all funding it .

So I'm going to be funding things I don't believe in , pretty much like our medical , where we say , as a Christian , I don't want to fund abortion . But we're going to be funding all these things as we move forward and that's what we're seeing happening in Sweden and these other countries that have taken on school choice over the years .

So there's a lot to think about . That's why I just wanted to share , so that people can . Yeah , I'm both .

I thought I would take some of my property taxes and apply it to a different school , or I would homeschool them , and now that could even be , if I have to be very careful there . You know , and in Illinois actually , with with homeschooling , we do have some rights here , yet with homeschooling , that , of course , can be changed .

I mean , do we have to , just you know . Do we have to just you know change this whole political body ? Because at the end of the day , you know a Catholic social teaching , you know we look at like a triangle , almost like a , like a two-dimensional pyramid at the bottom . What's holding this all up ?

Our merits in the family and and Christ in the church , you know , and , and that's been attacked for so many years now , marriages and the families are unraveling , we , and then we have the . The church has almost lost their voice in so many corners .

And so , then again , when we go out into what's called polity , this third , this third necessary society , well , you know , we're a bunch of immoral people , you know relativists , and our politics , our politicians , our economic values , our everything Financially , you know , all becomes a house of cards as it is now .

So this is a , this is this is not easy , is it to to face this , you know . This is not sounds like a miracle is needed here .

We haven't know we haven't we haven't promoted how important the family is and how to work on that , and we haven't promoted the things God calls us to as a parent , and that is , we are to teach our children , we are to be in charge of it , and so I think what's difficult too , though , is we now have so many children that are disabled .

I am so surprised , and it makes me very sad now , those children . So we have to keep fighting , we have to keep trying to get people into Good school board positions . We have to keep trying to bring attention to these books and change that obscenity law .

We can't quit all that , but in the meantime , we need to come together as churches and we need to not take government money , and we need to and that's one of the things that we're trying to do is to go into churches , educate these pastors On this is undermining the gospel .

That's the one thing they need to know , and that's the one thing they need to act on and open their doors to home schoolers , to hybrid schools . What start a small christian school ? We have to take this back . We have to take it back , and I would . That's my thing is parents . We have to sacrifice . We have to sacrifice if we can .

This is the only thing God gives us . This is our only thing . We live behind and it's a hard thing and it's not an easy thing , and we need people my age to come alongside these moms and to mentor them and to be there for them and to encourage them . We need to be the church again . That's what we need to be .

We've turned it all over to the government , including our children , and we've got to take that back .

But anyways , we don't just do it , we bring the parents and the kids in together and help the parents actually give the talk . You know the talk that we were all supposed to give about the birds and the bees , but we don't do it very well and we don't know how to do it anymore .

And , of course , with all these ideologies , Rhonda , it's not so easy to do . So we help with that . And that brings this foundation back to your point . What is marriage and the family ? Why is it important ?

And it takes a lot of work and it's going to take grace , but hey , at the end of the day it all comes back down to the gospel , doesn't it , Rhonda ?

So there's so much out there and then donate , make donations to organizations that are fighting for your children , because that's so important , and so there's something we can all do and that we feel like we're participating and it's all important . It's all important .

We're going to put those into show notes . Anything else we need to get in there , rhonda , to help the , to help people be aware of what you're doing and your work , because I'll tell you what . Your website is really well done and it has a lot of resources there .

I'm really going to encourage our audience to check out your website because they can find a lot there .

So , yeah , it's very important , I think , to do that right now .

It's like a book you can keep on your shelf and when you need this , look at if you're going to stand up for school boards , do your three minutes speech and write to your presentation and say hey , and then go grab that podcast with Rhonda Thomas and show them how to get there , and then we'll teach them the rest , right ?