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Beating The Book: 2023 NFL Week 5 Guessing Lines Show

Oct 02, 20231 hr 26 minEp. 265
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Gill Alexander and Kelley Bydlon give their thoughts on every game on the week 5 NFL slate on Monday's Beating The Book. What are their initial thoughts on the week 5 schedule? Also, some impressions on week 4.

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Speaker 1

The numbers told the story they always do. It's one of those idiots who believe in the analytics.

Speaker 2

This is a numbers game with Gil Alexander, Good Monday Morning to It is a numbers game at Visa v Sports, Betty Network, Visa dot Com, the Visa AB Game plus iHeartRadio, YouTube TV, and of course the DK Network. It's Gil Alexander, It's Kelly Bidlin live from bar Canada at the d How.

Speaker 1

You do it good? Just peachey, my friend, How are you doing?

Speaker 2

I'm doing very well. What was your millions record yesterday?

Speaker 1

Three and three and one with Seahawks pending? But I had the Colts as the one, So.

Speaker 2

Get away from me, hod On. At what point here are you like actually thinking to yourself this could be something? Because aren't you like nineteen and five? Right now? Ask me three?

Speaker 1

Ask me in two months?

Speaker 2

Man.

Speaker 1

I mean I don't have any chance at the quarter.

Speaker 2

I forget the quarter. I'm talking about the big whole thing. Man.

Speaker 1

So what was I eleven and four? So I fourteen and five?

Speaker 2

All right, fourteen and five, I'm sorry, fourteen skipped ahead? Fourteenth five? All right, n I'll get back to you in a few weeks. Nice job on your part. Thanks, I'm just in your drift. No A, it's all I'm doing. It's one of those we.

Speaker 1

Talk about all the time. That's a record, that is a sick NFL record.

Speaker 2

But when it comes to a contest, doesn't freaking matter. You keep doing fourteen and fives, you'll be all right. This is guessing lines. For those who are new to the show, what we do here Mondays during the football season is we have our first insects. We go through every game that went that has gone by the previous Sunday yesterday the National Football League, and in doing so we will then guess lines for the upcoming games. And in that process, oftentimes this year it seems like every

time it's our best instinct. Witnessed the Jaguars as the biggest difference I had between the line yesterday and the actual game line of the Jaguars roll the Falcons in London, which we will get to when we talk about those teams. And it's not just about really what my guesses are, it's about you doing it yourself at home. It's a great way to start your handicapping week. You don't have to lock into it, but your first instincts are something

that you should always note. I think anyway, historically on this show, dating back to when Chrissy and I did this, this was alway was the thing. And appreciate all the downloads for this in the megapod humbled By. It seems to still resonate with everybody year after year, week after week. So we began, well, first of all, let me just say the Survivor. Let's just get that out of the way.

Remember how last week before the weekend, I said, oh, ninety nine and a half entries my over under, and then it was like, you know, two thousand got knocked out, ninety two yesterday or this week so far, So this was the week I should have said that ninety two. Really from the beginning of the pool, one percent of the entire pool that entered Circus Survivor this year got knocked out yesterday. So we're still over two thousand entries. No one, I think a couple people have the I

think one person has that. You know, two people have the Seahawks. Nobody has the Giants tonight, so it won't change much. We will have fewer than one hundred people knocked out of Circus survivor this week.

Speaker 1

Four on the Giants.

Speaker 2

Oh they're above there, you're right. Four on the Giants, two on the Seahawks, four on the Giants. One four people. Okay, by the way, that was another one. I guess Seattle would be the favorite last week. The Giants were at the time. Now Seattle is the favorite. So again those first instincts pretty good. Do you and you you're on Seattle tonight as your fine, I'm on, I am too, I am small bet and then contest play for contest play for me as well. Okay, let us begin.

Speaker 1

Let's fire it up. What do you got guessing lines? Just start it up there. It is the Marquee Well pardon, we figured since we have this for college football guessing lines, maybe we should do this for the actual guessing lines. And it's got that whole a n G A numbers game on there all right Thursday night.

Speaker 2

This is a great one. Bears at Commanders. Oh boy, okay, so let me just ask this out front. If the Bears happened to win this game, not saying they will, but if they happened to win this game, do I win my last winless team bet on the Panthers immediately. Wait, so I have the Panthers, as you know, fifteen to one before the season, last winless team A bet on quite proud of. I hope we gets Oh, I see what the Bears great? If the Bears win on Thursday, do I win automatically?

Speaker 1

I think so?

Speaker 2

I think so too. Anyway, we'll get to that.

Speaker 1

Wow, that is a great fine print question. We haven't had to attack that one before.

Speaker 2

The Bears are zero to four, one of the only two remaining Owen fours. As we just stated yesterday, Man, what can you say? They played the Broncos. Broncos first drive, they go eighty four yards Wilson to Julil McLaughlin from eighteen out seven and nothing Denver. But the Bears came right back seventy five yards fields to DJ More from twenty nine outs seven to seven beginning of the second quarter,

fourteen forty eight left in that frame. After a Denver three and out, Bears go fifty six yards fields to More for twenty four, follow two plays later by Fields to Cole Commet for twenty two in the end zone. Fourteen to seven Bears eleven forty four left. Second quarter, Then after another Broncos punt, Bears go eighty five yards Fields to comment from three out, twenty one to seven Bears. That would be the score at the half, and at

halftime just Houston fields. Let me repeat that, justin fields would be sixteen of seventeen for two thirty one, three touchdowns, no picks, only sacked twice at the half. First Bears drive of the second half after another Denver punt, fifteen plays, sixty six yards Fields to Khalil Herbert from two out touchdown twenty eight to seven Bears, four to eleven left in the third quarter, and at that point in the game, pardon me, fields twenty three of twenty four for two

eighty five and four touchdowns. Man, he's good. Are you late? I mean, how many people via text or whatever were saying, I think I think he's figured out the game of football. Well. Then Denver went seventy five yards Wilson of Brandon Johnson for four out. It was twenty eight to fourteen Chicago, nine seconds left in the third quarter. Then after Chicago three and out, Denver go seventy yards Wilson to Sutton from thirteen out twenty eight to twenty one Chicago, then

nine thirty six left in the game. Then the fifth play on the ensuing drive, Chicago's up a touchdown, clinging now first and ten at the Denver forty eight for the Bears field sacked by Nick Benito, he fumbles it and scooped by Jonathan Cooper thirty five yards to the hiszy and we are tied at twenty eight with six to fifty five left. Bears them matriculate. Here is the moment of the game. Twenty eight, twenty eight, fourth and one at the Denver eighteen with two fifty seven left.

Kelly Chicago tries to draw Denver off sides. They cannot, so they call timeout, then post timeout. After failing to draw them off sides, they decide to go for it. Herbert stuffed for no gain. Denver takes over at their own eighteen, two fifty two left. Wilson immediately to Mimes Junior. How many times have I mentioned Mims Junior on this show this year? This time for forty eight leads to

a Lutz corkscrew fifty one yard field well. Denver's up thirty one twenty eight, one forty six left, final drive. You know it's gonna happen. Set back by an intentional grounding calling fields then third and thirteen at their own forty seven with thirty seven seconds left. Fields picked by Kareeine Jackson Ballgame thirty one, twenty eight, Denver, Oh Eberflus, I have him first coach fire north of fifteen to one? Are the Bears just not going to fire him because

they've never fired a coach mid season? They just want to keep that record in top.

Speaker 1

There aren't certain teams like that you gotta be careful with, like the Cowboys, right they always.

Speaker 2

That's that's the fly in the ointment of that bet. Yeah. Eber Flus is three and eighteen as the Bears head coach now and matches the biggest blown lead in franchise history twenty one points, fourteenth loss in a row for the Bears, all given up twenty five plus points. Remember he was a decoordinator when he was hired. Fields twenty eight of thirty five three thirty five is the final

box course stats. Four touchdowns, one pick, you sacked four times four for twenty five on the ground with the fumble loss that was scooped and scored scooped in return for a touchdown Herbert eighteen for one zho three on the ground More eight for one thirty one touchdown comets seven for eighty six sembra eighty five, two touchdowns, ten penalties, ninety one yards outgained Denver four seventy one to three eleven.

Doesn't matter because they were minus two in turnovers both in the fourth quarter the sacks scoop and scored to tie the game at twenty eight and the pick to end it. Who are they playing? Oh yeah, Washington, Washington. Talk about coaches. We just talked about everyflu Let's talk about Rivera Washingtons downfield opening drive, seventy five yard samuelin from one, seven to nothing, Washington seven to fifty two left in the first quarter. Eagles come right back, go

seventy five yards swift in from five. We're tied seven apiece one seventeen left. First quarter. Washington comes right back seventy five yards second goal with the one. Robinson fumbles before he breaks the plane, but the incomparable Terry McLaurin recovers in fourteen to seven Washington twelve fifty six left. Second quarter. Took his push for the Eagles on the next drive at the at their own forty nine, but the Landon Dickerson was lined up off side, so they

had to punt. Washington makes it seventeen to seven on a slide field goal. Halftime was seventeen to ten after Elliott made a forty one yarder. Second half, Eagles cut it to seventeen to thirteen. Elliott forty seven yarder. Washington punt hurts the AJ Brown fifty nine yard touchdown pass with Brown just weaving in and out of traffic. Roughing the passer penalty gave Philadelphia the bault the one on the conversion, so they decided to go for it. Gainwell

ran it in twenty one to seventeen. Eagles seven eleven.

Speaker 1

Left real quick. Every time I actually AJ Brown have a game like this, I just think to myself, can you imagine trading this guy? Turning him walk? Just let him walk? Incredible?

Speaker 2

Tennessee's like, oh, we really need a receiver. We gotta get dustint obvious, I said, DeAndre Hopkins, we really need a receiver. Why did you trade this guy? After an Elliott thirty six yard field goal made it twenty four to seventeen, Philly, Washington goes seventy five yards. Robinson in from fifteen. We are tied at twenty four eight to one left. Teams trade punts. Eagles take over with three twenty left at their own forty three second and fourth.

The Washington twenty eight hurts to Brown on the double move, touchdown thirty one to twenty four. Iggles, but a taunting call on Brown because it wasn't enough for him to score, he had to taunt. It was kind of weak tonk call, though, Skins take the penalty. On the kickoffs. They started their

own thirty six with one thirty six left. Washington matriculates after a third and seventeen conversion a fourth and two at the Philly forty five with forty one seconds left, Howel to Diami Brown for sixteen, then McLaurin for eight, McLaurin for eleven. They end up with a ball at the Eagles ten with five seconds left incomplete to McLaurin, but one second left on the clock that Sean Dotson touchdown river boat ron Mike tuchas he decides to kick the extra point. Later he would say he thought his

offense was gassed. Oh okay, Sam Howell, Welcome to the NFL. This way to go, Sam Howell, By the way that was his welcome to the NFL moment. So we go to overtime. Washington wins the coin flip third and five at their own thirty nine, twenty two left in overtime. Howel to McLaurin for twenty five rule to incomplete on the field, ridiculous replay showed green between his second foot and the sideline. Did it not? Did it not? But they were brutal, just absolutely brutal call there, twenty nine

yard tresswaypunt. You know what happens next fourth and one at the at midfield. Took this push successful and then after an intentional grounding call and hurts the temporarily put the Eagles out of field goal range. Hurts the DeVante for nine Elliott field goal fifty four. Eagles win thirty four to thirty one. Howell finishes twenty nine to forty one for two to ninety one touchdown, no picks, but he was sacked five times. McLaurin the incomparable eight for

eighty six should have been more. I will say Washington by four and a half on Thursday night hosting the.

Speaker 1

Bears commanders six and a half.

Speaker 2

That's a lot.

Speaker 1

That's a lot.

Speaker 2

That's a lot of points.

Speaker 1

I feel like I'm glad this is a Thursday night game, so I could just stay away. Even six this morning, we're up to six and a half on the Commanders. I'm glad there's a Thursday night games. I think I'm just gonna stay away. But this is this line is getting close to begging me to bet the Bears.

Speaker 2

Well that's what I'm saying. You would think this would make me run and bet the Bears, but I can't do that.

Speaker 1

What if it hits seven?

Speaker 2

I mean the Bears are The Bears are terrible? How can you lose that game? But Washington shouldn't lay that many points against anybody. We'll come back Sunday. I think we have another Jackson to London game. We'll start there. It's a numbers game at Visa these sports betting network. It's Kill Alexander. It's Kelly Bidlin live from Park Bar, Canada, rather at the D I said Park Canada, Sorry, brother, Bark Canada at the D here downtown. Can you tell

everybody what you just said off air? When you looked up at the TV screen, What did you say?

Speaker 1

Give dan Orlowski four years and he's gonna look just.

Speaker 2

Like you stole my glasses. He looks exactly like my brother. By the way, exactly before we gets the more lines. Just getting back to that last winless team, which is Chicago and four Carolina, Oh and four, I'm kind of.

Speaker 1

Worried about your bet now, I'm not like that. That language is very, very important. I hadn't really thought about that before.

Speaker 2

Well, let's say, let's say the Bears lose to Washington and Caroline ends up losing at Detroit this week. I have their schedules here the next five weeks. Chicago's at Washington home Minnesota home Raiders. They might be able to win one of those two, whereas Carolina goes at Detroit at Miami by which is a free Bengal square anyway, which is part of that handicap. Anyway, when I first made it, we spelled it out all here on the air. I spelled out the Carolina bet. I spelled out the

Everfluce bet. We'll see if either or both can get home. Keep this in mind, though, about both Chicago and Carolina. Both ow and four the Bears own both draft picks. The Bears own both draft picks because of the Bryce Young trade, so currently if the NFL Draft were to happen right now, Chicago would be drafting one and two. It's amazing. It's amazing, all right, one and every Bears fan after I said that just went and how are we gonna botch that?

Speaker 1

It is the one thing I'd keep trying to argue for, like or make the case for Bears fans. Right, it's the You go and compare the Broncos and Bears season A. What were the expectations for each team heading into the year? Much higher for a Broncos team than they were for the Bears team. And when you head into this offseason, the assets available for Chicago versus at Denver, it's not even close well that the Bears.

Speaker 2

The Bears did have lower expectations, But let us not diminish that too much, because anecdotally or just by evidence of all of our guests on this show and throughout the network this offseason, there were some people who thought the Bears were going to be great.

Speaker 1

Yeah great, very good playoff team.

Speaker 2

Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1

All right, let's go at London Jaguars staying there, moving hotels. Bills will come in and take their hotel. Sunday, six thirty am Pacific time, nine thirty am Eastern time. Jags at the Bills versus the Bills in time.

Speaker 2

And I believe this is the first ever back to back London for one team.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I believe so.

Speaker 2

Yeah. Jacksonville, which plays a London game every year, and we'll play two here back to back. Jacksonville beats Atlanta in the London game yesterday. Not a whole bunch to say here. Fourth and one at the Atlanta thirty eight, a little more than halfway through the first quarter, Lawrence to Kirk for ten. Two plays later was Lawrence to Ridley from thirty out. Jacksonville took a seven to nothing lead. They added to McManus fifty six yard field goal to

make it ten to nothing Atlanta at that point. This is in the second quarter when it was ten to nothing Atlanta at that point. Kelly had one first down and then they had a drive that started at their own thirteen. They did matriculate three first downs later, so three more, two more than they have the or three more than they have a whole pre part of the game.

They have a first intent that Jacksonville forty five Ridder picked by Darius Williams sixty one yards to the house seventeen to nothing Jacksonville, and at that point it was kind of just the Jags cruising in the rest of the way.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it was JAG's better. I don't know if you had the same feeling, but it was. They were leaving points on the field for sure.

Speaker 2

Yeah. When I say cruise, I do mean like not the most comfortable cruise, but still a cruise ensuing dry By the way, first play first in ten at their own twenty five, ridder was picked again by Andre Cisco, but that didn't lead in anything because fourth and one at the Atlanta seven. Remember this is what you're talking about, Kelly,

they left points on the board. They could have like really put the nail in the coffin at this point, up seventeen to nothing already they had the ball at Atlanta seven to fourth and one, Lawrence was sacked by David Anyamana. Halftime remained seventeen to nothing. Then third quarter Atlanta did go seventy five yards to start the half, twenty four on the ground, all but twenty four on the ground. By the way, I should say Bijeon for thirty eight was the big run. Ridderd and London fifteen out,

it was seventeen to seven. Then after they traded punts, McManus field goal up to the lead for Jacksonville to twenty to seven. That was from forty three and then Atlanta matriculated but fourth and three at the Jacksonville six six oh five left. This was when the game really ended. Ritter incomplete back of the end zone intended for London. He only got one foot down.

Speaker 1

Uh.

Speaker 2

And then Jacksonville added a field goal late they were helped along by forty yard PI to make it twenty three to seven. That was the eventual final score. Oh yeah, one last insult ridder sacked by Josh Allen with one thirty three left. He fumbled Angelo Blackson recover. That was the ballgame. Laurence ended up twenty three of thirty for

two oh seven, one touchdown. No Pixy was sacked twice, eight carries for forty two yards, and you know Jacksonville was plus three and turnovers that led the big one obviously the pick six and all of that. So I just want to say, we'll get to it when we get to Atlanta. But this overrating of Atlanta in the market every week is been the most successful thing in NFL betting this year.

Speaker 1

Well, so far, we'll take it, right, you'll take it. I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go crazy. Yeah, we're four weeks into the season. Oh my god, is this team exactly who you and I thought they were? Yes?

Speaker 2

Right, And here's the deep dive analysis. Have you seen their quarterback play football? That's it? So all you gotta know whoever.

Speaker 1

They play at Buffalo or at Buffalo against Buffalo ages.

Speaker 2

Technically Buffalo is the home team. Buffalo beats Miami beats some good forty eight to twenty opening drive that went right downfield. Actually the first five drives of the game or another but touchdown drives, Buffalo with three of them, Miami with two is twenty one to fourteen. I'll just skip ahead to there because at that point there was

finally a punt. Miami punted, Buffalo punted, Miami punted. Then the Bills go fifty nine yards most on an Allen to digs fifty five yard touchdown catch and run, twenty eight to fourteen Buffalo. That was the first real more than one score separation of the game. Two fifty two left in the second quarter. At that point, third play following drive, third and one at their own thirty four

for the Dolphins, two twenty left in the half. Most are hit by Matt Mulano, fumbles Terrell Bernard recovers, leads to a Tyler Bass fifty three yard are thirty one fourteen Buffalo at the half. Remember that's after they went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown to start the game, twenty one to fourteen Buffalo lead. And then they started to build that lead. Second half opening drive, Miami does go seventy five yards two A to Barrios from eleven out, thirty one to twenty. Miami

down eleven, decides to go for two. That's interesting, eleven and nine. It failed, nine thirty left in the third quarter. Bass ads a thirty three yarder thirty four to twenty Buffalo, five twenty one left in the third, then to a

third play following drive picked by Micah Hyde. Bill set up at the Miami twenty five up fourteen already four plays later, Allan to Diggs thirteen yarder forty one to twenty three minutes left in the third, and then the Dolphins end up fourth and one at the Buffalo forty seven down twenty one forty four seconds left in the third two in shotgun. Always love that. On a fourth and one sacked by ed Oliver Tredavius White with the non contact achilles injury, I fear it is ruptured and

he is done for the year. Allen to Gabe Davis for thirty four. Allen in from eleven forty eight twenty Buffalo five seconds in to the fourth quarter, and that would be the final score. By the way, they didn't get any more than that, as the last two Dolphins drives ended with turnovers on downs. Allen finishes twenty one of twenty five for three twenty four touchdowns. No Pixie be sacked twice, four carries for seventeen yards and a touchdown,

digs six for one twenty three touchdowns. The Bills were plus two and turnovers that led directly to plus ten Buffalo points. Remember now with the Bills season thus far, they lost the opening week by six and overtime to the Jets. Since then, and I guess that's the Raiders Washington and now Miami, they have won by twenty eight,

thirty four and twenty eight. We are who they thought they were, who we thought they were without question Buffalo at London, despite Jacksonville's comfort level in London, despite the fact that they've been hanging out there now and they'll actually be sightseeing today. I'm gonna say Buffalo by six based on what I just said.

Speaker 1

Too much dead on dead, half five and a half.

Speaker 2

Okay, I like that. Twenty eight, thirty four and twenty eight their last three margins of victory for the Buffalo bill.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's pretty wild, Josh Allen, Now you're short shot in the MVP market. Plus three eighty two moves back to five to one.

Speaker 2

Can we talk about MVP for a second. Yeah, we can't, because we were saying, like MVP the last four years has become this de facto quarterback award. We've even had Aaron Shots on the show, and Aaron Shots will be on either this week or next week because we do quarterly with him on the show, and he's a voter and he is analytics driven, and he's like, because I'm analytics driven, quarterback means so much more to the team than any

other position I have to vote for a quarterback. I want to try to disabuse him of that notion this time, because, first of all, it's not meant to be a quarterback award, it doesn't have to be. And you have two guys in Christian McCaffrey, not so much Tyreek Hill after yesterday, but let's just take Christian McCaffrey. Christian McCaffrey has six hundred yards from scrimmage in four six touchdowns. Six hundred

yards on scrimmage. That's on pace to set the NFL record Chris Johnson holds it, which I believe was over twenty five hundred yards in a sixteen game schedule. If McCaffrey just continues to do this and he breaks that record, or if Tyreek ends up with two thousand yards on Dolphins team that wins tons of games, you're really going to give it to just a random quarterback and you're gonna save Offensive Player of the Year for one of those two guys, McCaffrey or Hill. I just I just

don't want to. I hope we're not in that phase where MVP is just a quarterback. I think we've gotten there, I think, but it's we can't we can't reverse that. What is it set and study? No, I don't know, but.

Speaker 1

I feel like we've gotten there with the Offensive Player of the year and the MVP. I feel like we've just gotten to the quarterback and it's then the other it's gonna be a position play.

Speaker 2

Did Moses bring that down with the tablets towards voting? Man? I know, yeah, and it is.

Speaker 1

It's tough when you're talking about MVP. You're talking about random quarterback defense, quarterback that does big things with the team.

Speaker 2

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Nicotine is an addictive chemical skill Alexander. It's Kelly Bidlin Live and Bar Canada. That the d guessing lines for week number five in the National Football League. Before we get back to that, we get tweets at beating the book. Always appreciate the feedback. Los Vegas five to one, four Yo, what happened to Riverboat Ron coach Gilly and offensive coordinator Young Kelly B would would have went for it? No, would have went for the win. Yeah, Scotty b seven

two six? Were you joking about it? The Bears win on Thursday night? Carolina still plays Week five. Yeah, but the wording on the ticket is last winless team, right, so I'm not exactly joking about it. Quite frankly, touchdown Jasus Riverboat Ron the first coach to ever claim his offense was too gassed to go for two in the win. I guess that Philly defense was getting stronger as they gave up the tying touchdown draft.

Speaker 1

I love when coaches gets caught in stupid answers, because what way does that make any sense? Well, right, we're gonna play for overtime, but not go for two here.

Speaker 2

Remember, if he knew Sam Howell was that good, he would have played him earlier last year. I mean he's made if he watched, Yeah, he's made tons of ridiculous comments. Jed O'Connor Riverboat Ron was making sure the teaser legs had a chance to cover what a guy plinko landing The landing the way of many. Absolutely, Mike Stacks Washington over Bears for Survivor could be the last time we have a chance to see them. Based on the schedule to use them he should say. He says, yes, you're

absolutely right. That is a potential survivor play Bruce doe Bingen NFL season. If the NFL season were over today, the Bears would have the top two draft picks. Will they trade up with themselves? Maybe? So that would be the very bearest thing today. We've made a trade. There's a trade at the top arch indel. I hope I'm saying that right. The Daggs do not cruise into anything. Gil. They hand paddled their inflatable raft ashore. That's probably that

is an accurate description. That's pay Church. And then the King of car Seats said Bears were only minus one eighty to miss the playoffs at draft kings before the season. Hard to believe. Yeah, I think he means before the season. I would imagine before the season. Oh and we get text. Steve Fezicks texted in talking about my comment about why is it's set in Stone? Did Moses bring the tablets down?

About MVP being for a quarterback? He said, here are your fifteen your oops, tablet crash, make that your ten commandments? Brilliant comedy. Remember that History of the World. Paul on mel Brooks. Maybe that was one of the fifteen, the five that got dropped. All right, what's next Sunday?

Speaker 1

All right? Early on Sunday one Eastern ten Pacific Texans at Falcons.

Speaker 2

Texans at Falcons two, two and two teams at Atlanta, Houston took their opening drive sixty nine yards Stroud and Nico Collins against the Steelers from two out, seven to nothing Houston eight fifty five left first quarter. Then after a picket eye in that led to a short field and attend to nothing, Houston lead. Then the Texans extended it to thirteen to nothing on another fair baron field goal.

Houston had a fourth and one at the Pittsburgh twenty eight up thirteen seven or nine left in the second quarter. Stroud incomplete intended for Andrew Beck, but it wouldn't lead to anything for the Steelers, who then down thirteen. Kelly, I know this is your favorite thing. Fourth and one at their own forty nine, with four to thirty five and left in the second quarter, they just decided to pun it.

Speaker 1

Yeah, pun it away, like.

Speaker 2

There you go, just pun it away.

Speaker 1

Its okay, Gil. We can't ever question the guy because he's never had a losing season.

Speaker 2

Wait, I never heard that before.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mike Tomlin Steelers never had a losing season.

Speaker 2

Huh.

Speaker 1

Any any decisions he makes is the right one.

Speaker 2

The information you learn on this show. Sixteen to nothing Houston at the half, after the Steelers traded two boswell Field goals with two Houston punts to cut it to sixteen to six, fourth and one from the Houston thirty three for Pitt, Piket and shotgun. Oh Jesus sacked by the way one ten left and the third quarter in Dowland lose. He's sacked, he was hurt. He was helped off out for the rest of the game. Tribisky came in. He'll miss time, he's he will miss time. He's six

foot three, two hundred and thirty pounds. Just fall over. No you want to go shot No, I'm with.

Speaker 1

You in rapaport this morning, can you? Pikett will miss time in knee injury. Not believed to be season ending.

Speaker 2

Remember this used to happen with Ben Roethlisberger and I used to shout on guessing lines. The word big is actually in his nickname, Big Ben fall Just fall forward. Uh, Texans go fifty eight yards for the score. After that, Devin Singletary a Dalton Schultz from six out little triggeration twenty three to six, then a three and out with Trubisky in Texans go eighty six yards ball games Stroud and Nico Collins for fifty two thirty to six. That's how it would end. See Jay Stroud, he is your

offensive rookie of the year, short shot. He went sixteen of thirty for three h six, two touchdowns, no picks. He was not zacked. Nico Collins seven for one sixty eight two touchdowns. The Texans held Pittsburg to two hundred and twenty five total yards. I'll gain him four fifty one to two twenty five, held Pittsburgh to just twelve first downs. And then we talked about Atlanta losing to Jacksonville.

Desmond Ritter in that game against Jacksonville was nineteen to thirty one for one to ninety one, one touchdown, two picks. He was sacked four times, lost to fumble. Bijon though was good fourteen for one oh five five catches for thirty two. But as we said, Atlanta was minus three and turnovers the uh scoop and score being the orcuse me the pick six being the big thing in that one Houston at Atlanta I have as a pick.

Speaker 1

Eem uh, good on you. This is one of the lines that has moved a bit. This opened Atlanta like two and a half three yesterday. It is down top.

Speaker 2

It's down to.

Speaker 1

Atlanta one and a half, anywhere.

Speaker 2

Between one and a half two a pickup, Come my way, come my way. It's not far enough. There's no way Atlanta should even close to a field goal favorites. So I'm glad, it's I'm god people have gone to this.

Speaker 1

I don't think I don't think you can leave Houston and teaser range right now like one and a half. I don't leave that out.

Speaker 2

There teas away. Yeah, the Houston Texans and we'll get to him later. The eras Zona Cardinals are the two teams we had, we collectively as a football prognosticator group of people. But I'll raise my hand the most off sure like both of those teams are actually somewhat credible.

Speaker 1

And in although Jacksonville in there for myself too, I have Jacksonville division bets. I have a lot of questions about, right.

Speaker 2

But I'm talking about the teams we thought would stink. We thought these teams would stink. I was talking to Parls yesterday at about Arizona. Is Arizona a top half power ranked team. We'll get to them momentarily, but like do they sneak into sixteen, We'll get to them. Let's do one more, all right.

Speaker 1

Panthers at Falcons one Eastern.

Speaker 2

Ten Pacific Panthers at you just said Falcons, Lions, Panthers Lions. Okay, the ZH to four Panthers at Detroit. We won't talk about Detroit because they played Thursday. We already went through that there, went over Green Bay. But Carolina, who I was worried there for a second that they might get a win. Why because the Vikings went right downfield on their opening drive, third and goal to the Carolina five.

And then Kirk Cousins did his thing, completely ill advised pass to the corner picked by Sam Franklin Junior, ninety nine yards of the house. Great effort, by the way by Cousins to get the angle, only to get trucks.

Speaker 1

Oh that was great.

Speaker 2

Seven to nothing, Carolina ten twenty seven left in the first quarter. Up ten to nothing. Now, then the Panthers do give up a sixty three yard touchdown drive to the Vikes Cousins Jefferson before out ten to seven Panthers, nine thirty nine left in the second quarter. That after Cousins had fumbled a second and one step on the previous play at the four and landed on it. Just to give you some on brand Vikings flavor.

Speaker 1

You gotta have that, ye Will Hill.

Speaker 2

Is a Vikings fan. He calls it a hell escape rooting for this team. Late in the half, still down ten to seven, first and ten at the Carolina twenty one, forty six seconds left, Cousins hit again the Vikings driving for a go ahead score. Ball goes just flies up in the air. Kamu Grugier Hill picks it and returns at thirty one yards, resulting in a Pinero fifty six

yard field goal to end the half. After some horrible clock management by the Panthers down the stretch of that half, thirteen to seven, nonetheless Carolina when they went into the locker room. Then second half, after a trade of punts second and seventeen for Carolina at the Minnesota twenty eight. This is when the whole game changed. Four h nine left in the third quarter, Bryce hit by Harrison Smith, fumbles picked up by DJ Wanham fifty one yards of

the house, fourteen to thirteen Minnesota. Then after another Carolina three and out Minnesota again, cousins Jefferson from thirty out twenty one to thirteen Minnesota at the end of the third quarter. That was the last play of the third quarter. Teams traded punts in the fourth. Then Carolina down one score down eight, matriculated the ball down the field because of course they do. It's a Vikings game. They can't

win anything cleanly. Fourth and one at the Minnesota thirteen with two h one left, they decided to run the play before the two minute warning, and the Chewba Hubbard gets four yards, so at one fifty eight the two minute warning, Carolina down eight and they have it first down but Bryce first down by the way at the nine first and goal, but Bryce is sacked. Bryce Young sacked on both second and four downs by Harrison Smith, and with Carolina having burned one of their timeouts in

that sequence, it was ballgame twenty one to thirteen. Vikings Vikings off the schneid. Bryce ends up twenty five to thirty two for two oh four, no touchdowns. No Pixi was sacked five times. He did lose that fumble that was the key play of the game, only two hundred and thirty two total yards, Minnesota only had two sixty five. By the way victory, the time of possession advantage for Carolina thirty eight to twenty nine to twenty one thirty

one didn't matter. They lose again, destroyed by a full seven. Uh, you are light, my friend, Detroit nine point favorites in this I am light.

Speaker 1

Yes, nine point favorites in this game.

Speaker 2

I wonder if Chrissy would have said, I like your number better there the nine is. I mean, Caroline is terrible and again they're awful. I can't My whole Carolina bet for them being last was not only schedule analysis, which has worked out splendidly, but also this is this we got. I got trucked on the NFL draft. We always went on the NFL Draft, not this year. But I just knew Carolina was gonna they made that trade.

I was convinced to draft c J. Stroud because c J. Stroud is way better and he's bigger for the NFL. Bryce Young is too small, and they would ahead and drafted Bryce Young. If this hits Carolina last winless, I will make up for all of that and like double it back the other way. By the way, Kevin Clark, there was an entire draft news cycle that quoting anonymous executives saying you can't take c. J. Stroud because he did poorly on the pre draft equivalent of a BuzzFeed quiz.

Why we tolerate so much junk science every spring? Spring is beyond me? Remember this? Amen, Kevin Clark coming back? More guessing lines, Next skill, Alexander Kelly Bidlin guessing lines for week number five in the National Football League, even though Detroit was like north of seven points. I don't know that I'm racing to lay that though. They're a big survivor. I would imagine Option this week though, plays green Bay on Thanksgiving, so you may want to save them.

Speaker 1

Yeah, there's that line's nine nine. Yeah, it makes me start wondering when the last time they were that big of favorites. But you know, I don't want to play that game again because we're gonna get six different tweets. Yeah, I know that's right.

Speaker 2

We did what we asked last week. We got ten different answers to that green Bay question. What was the last time green Bay was? What was the question again, it was this, you're off here they.

Speaker 1

Were when Green Bay was home Dogs, Home Dogs Dogs. Well, then Eric Ginger had the answer.

Speaker 2

Of course twenty seventeen when it was a backup quarterback, I believe with the answer. Yeah. Okay. By the way, if you're tuning in, you're like, hey, where's all the baseball? There's a huge baseball day tomorrow, don't we know it? Quadruple header. The playoffs are finally here. Quadruple header on not only Tuesday tomorrow, but Wednesday as well, games one and two of the respective best of three series two in each league. Of course we did this last year.

I forgot that we started out with two quadruple headers Tomorrow on the show, We'll have Borchard on, We'll have Spore on, maybe we'll get Towers in here. It'll just be a baseball fest soaked with baseball tomorrow. One more to he's speaking of Eric Giger. We talked about Desmond Ridder earlier, Eric Giger, who is the last quarterback a team. And now this is gonna provoke a lot of discussion too.

We're gonna get twenty answers on this. Eric Gieger asks out loud on Twitter who is the last quarterback a team intended to start from jump, who was less viable than Ridder with no young guy in waiting?

Speaker 1

It is bizarre.

Speaker 2

He got a bunch of answers to this, but like he was poking holes at every one of the answers. He's like, NP, it's a Ridder. Ridder's like that guy was better than Ridder. This guy was better than Ridder. I just don't know that guy had a young guy in waiting.

Speaker 1

I mean two eagers point, Like, what the hell was the plant? Like did you really you really thought this guy was that? Like, can't miss of a guy. It's bizarre. Yeah, all right, let's do one here, all right? One more Titans at Colts an interesting ac.

Speaker 2

So another two and two versus a two and two? Wait what I said about the Titans last week, Like just when you think they stink, they'll come up with a game.

Speaker 1

I've been able to figure this team out for three years.

Speaker 2

That's very true. Although remember they were the number one seed in the AFC a couple years back. Tennessee beat Cincinnati. Cincinnati. There is not much to say about this other than the building the leagu which is after teams traded field goals to start the game. It really was a defensive struggle that ensued till the Titans win seventy five yards in the second quarter Tannahill to Nick Westbrook a kine from thirteen out and made it ten to three. Was

six thirty one left in the second quarter. Then after a Cincinnati three and out, Titans win seventy three yards, including a Tannehill fumble that was scooped by ty J. Spears for twenty two So even when they were fumbling the ball, they were gaining twenty two yards out of it. Henry in from twenty nine on that drive, seventeen to three Tennessee with three fifty eight left in the second quarter.

Then after another Cincinnati pun Tennessee goes eighty yards Henry to Josh Wiley two yard touchdown jump pass from Derreck Henry with thirteen seconds left in the half, and it was twenty four to three at halftime. And honestly, the way that Joe Burr was playing and not being able to move out there, it was ballgame. Titans would only add a folk thirty five yard field goal in the opening driver of the second half and that would be

it for the scoring. It ended twenty seven to three, as the second half was ruled primarily by punts in a trade of turnovers that amounted to nothing. Tannehill eighteen of twenty five or two to forty one touchdown, one pick. He was sacked three times. Henry twenty two for one twenty two on the ground, he was the leading rusher in the NFL. Congratulations to all have that. Yesterday he scored a touchdown on the ground, one for one, passing for two yards and a touchdown. He also caught one

pass for eleven yards. They outgained Cincinnati four hundred to two eleven, and really Tennessee's win over the Bengals twenty seven to three is more of a commentary on Joe Burrow and his injury status than it is taking I mean, I say taking nothing away from the Titans, but I guess I am taking something away from the Titans the Bengals. Like, we'll get to the Bengals because this is not about the Bengals. This is about the Titans in this game. But we got to get to that discussion. Titans are

at Indianapolis. You said, Okay, Indianapolis loses to the Rams, but boyl, Boyl, boy, was this a game opening drive. Rams went downfield seventy five yards Kyron Williams in from three seven to nothing Rams eleven thirty five left first quarter. After Indianapolis punt, Rams go ninety four yards Stafford to Nakua Puka nakula matata for twenty six with an unnecessary roughness tacked on the big one Kyron In from three

fourteen to nothing Rams three forty left first quarter. Richardson would fumble on the third play of the next drive on second and six at the Rams forty eight tackled by Ernest Jones, recovered by a Kilo Witherspoon that led to a Maher forty yard field goal seventeen to nothing Rams. The Rams would get it to twenty nothing by halftime.

Both teams missed field goals to close the half, so twenty to nothing Rams and by the way, then they made it twenty three to nothing on a fifty one yard Brett Maher field goal twenty three to nothing at the beginning of the second half. So the Colts then finally get off the mat down twenty three. They go seventy five yards Richardson to Moe Ali Cox from thirty five out two point conversion good cutting a I guess a seventeen point lye to a fifteen point lead at

that point twenty three to eight. Richardson to Zach Moss in the two point conversion five twenty six left third quarter. Then, after Stafford was picked by Kenny Moore on the Rams second play from scrimmage on the subsequent drive, the Colts were set up at the Rams forty two, but fourth and seven at the Rams thirty one, they go for at three forty left in the third quarter, Richardson incomplete

intended for Kyle Granson. Maher then misses a forty eight yarder for the Rams, so the Colts get it back, and this time they do go sixty two yards Richardson to Alex Peers for thirty eight and unnecessary roughness call tacked on the big play in that sequence. Four plays later, Richardson in from one twenty three to fifteen, they decide to go from nine to eight at that point with the extra point Rams still up by eight now, then

the Rams punt. Colts immediately go eighty three yards, including a fourth and four conversion at the Rams twenty one Richardson to Kylon Grantson for seventeen that set up the score, and Richardson to Andrew Ogletree on that drive for twenty one twenty two and the touchdown pass of five yards to cut it to twenty three to twenty one with one fifty six left. Now, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for our weekly Sean mcvag moment. Are you ready? Down? Two?

Set up for the two point conversion? The Colts are about to get flagged for a false start, but McVeigh calls time out good just before the false start to get that in. Thank you, Sean McVay. And with that reprieve Richardson and Michael Pittman, wide open two point conversion. We are tied at twenty three with one fifty six left. They were down twenty three to nothing.

Speaker 1

Let's go making four.

Speaker 2

It over the circle contest for me.

Speaker 1

Gil Let's go Colts.

Speaker 2

The Rams go three and out, twenty four second possession for the Rams. You know what? The Colts they hold my beer. They have a twenty three second possession. They traded twenty four and twenty three second possessions. Three and outs either way. Egregious by both Rams couldn't get in a field goal range. After that, we go to overtime and the Rams win the coin flip Kelly, I'm so sorry, yeah,

and then their book ended seventy five yards. First play of the drive, Stafford to Nakua for twenty last play of the drive, Stafford to Nakua for twenty two in the touchdown first touchdown of Pooka Nakua's career, ninth catch of the game, one hundred and sixty three yards. Ballgame, Rams win twenty nine to twenty three. Richardson eleven for twenty five, only eleven forward passes completed eleven for twenty

five for two hundred two touchdowns, no picks. He was sacked twice, but ten carries for fifty six yards and a touchdown, one fumble loss. They out They were outgained by the Rams four sixty seven to three to twenty nine, and they were out time of possessioned, if you will, by the Rams thirty nine forty six to twenty four twenty five in a game that went into overtime. This

is an interesting one. Tennessee at Indianapolis, I got lazy and just said a pick em here, No, I said, Tennessee minus one and a half I split the difference between the three and the and the pick them here Colts won.

Speaker 1

Up to one and a half, one to one and a half most places. I did put a small bed in on the Colts.

Speaker 2

I don't have a huge problem with that. I probably should have made it a pick them. I don't have a huge problem with that because the Tennessee in it's I don't want to take away where you win a football game twenty seven to three, you deserve credit, but geez, I don't know about their opponent. And then in the Colts case, like the Rams are actually pretty darn good at football. What are you pointing out there?

Speaker 1

Nah, I screwed up that graphic. It wasn't Titans one. It was Colts one.

Speaker 2

Colts one. You already put in a small bet on the Colts.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I put in a money line minus one fifteen on the Colts, all right, missus Anthony Richardson, Man, this guy's a stud I know, I know the passing stats weren't incredible yesterday, but man, him running the ball, he is He's young Josh Allen. It's young Josh Allen, and he's a lot of the offense is just thrown on his shoulders didn't run the balls. Watch in the second half. It's where the passing game kind of picked up when

they were forced to pass it being down twenty to nothing. Yea, But man, if as long as they're not out of the game and he's able to use his legs a little bit more, he makes this offense so much more dangerous.

Speaker 2

I mean, let me ask you something. Because we just talked about MVP before the break last time, let's talk about offensive Rookie the Year for a second. Where who should be? Give me the one, two and three in order and what it should be right now for offensive Rookie the Year. I haven't looked. I haven't looked. I'm about to look. But Stroud should be the short shot. I've got a Pooka Nakua ticket. I would imagine he should be second in Anthony Richardsons.

Speaker 1

To be here. I completely agree with that order.

Speaker 2

Let me see what it is.

Speaker 1

I make sure to hear what the odds are on Richardson because I would be interested in.

Speaker 2

A bet there that is. Oh listen, it's Stroud plus one seventy five, Nakua plus four to twenty five. I am twenty five to one Jon plus four fifty and then Antony Anthony Richardson at plus five fifty. The only other person in single digits Devon H. Shane at six to one. So there you go. You can't you can't bet stroud.

Speaker 1

Ahane at those numbers.

Speaker 2

I think, I don't know, there's too many of the guys. I don't think you can bet any of those guys at those numbers currently. Quite frankly, we'll come back whole bunch more games to get to guessing lines looking for value. Not sure I found any yet. Numbers game, Visa, the Sports Betting network, the numbers told the story they always done.

Swando's idiots will be analytics. This is a numbers game with Gil Alexander our number two of a numbers game at Visa and the sports betting network, Visa dot Com, the Visa app game plus iHeartRadio YouTube TV. However you're taking us in, we appreciate it. Skill Alexander is Kelly Bidlintle Eye from bar Canada at the d There's nothing better than Monday mornings in football season. Like there's just

not enough time to go through all this stuff. We get tweets before we get into games because we got a bunch of games to get to here. We get tweets at beating the book. This is from Table Max. He said, how about them Mastros? Never a doubt? Absolutely, by the way, I hope everybody jumped in on the Astros, never a doubt, because the Astros clinched yesterday with a win and a Rangers loss cuinch the Al West. So we hit that at plus one twenty the day that

we bet. That was it plus one winning or minus one twenty the day we bet? Even in my pocket, in my pocket, I can pull it out right down and tell.

Speaker 1

You I think it was plus one. I think it was I think plus it was.

Speaker 2

Plus one twenty.

Speaker 1

It was plus because we kept talking about it when it was bouncing back and forth and plus b.

Speaker 2

Well the thing about other people like us, never in doubt. I choose to view that differently. It was such a good bet that they got swept by the Royals and still won the Al West right after we meet.

Speaker 1

It's funny to joke about but you texted that back to me because yeah, whoever tweeted that in I basically texted the exact same thing to Gil last night. Bet. But you know you're right like that is. It was a great bet when you know you want it, having to go through all that.

Speaker 2

Yeah, by the way, congratulations everybody who had it. Later, we're backing overnight in tennis too. Those are at the Visa dot Com slash picks page all the tennis places where we're at this week. We are in Beijing. We were in Tokyo last week. Now we were in Beijing. Bet with Bo. Bet with Bo says, how are we

feeling about the Hamlin comeback Player of the year odds? Now? Cheers? Okay, so DeMar Hamlin did they fixed us because Deamar Hamlin played football yesterday, but he only played special teams and we said, we decided if he played one play on defense and made a play on defense, then he's the comeback player of the year. Are we allowing for it on special teams? We kind of do, right, by the way. I don't see the odds correct, I don't know.

Speaker 1

I have him, I have him in front of me. I was watching those lives as soon as he yesterday when it got announced he was gonna play. Yeah, taken down reposted at like I saw one shot. The first shot that reposted was like minus three forty on him.

Speaker 2

There you go.

Speaker 1

He's minus two fifty.

Speaker 2

At draft kicks right mine, it's two fifty.

Speaker 1

So I think they're a little bit in between where you and I were.

Speaker 2

Thinking, I think you play one play on special teams, which he did obviously more than one play. He almost died on the field. He's just come back player.

Speaker 1

There you think it's enough. I'm still like, I think he needs to make a real tackle on defense, and I think those odds reflect that that it's somewhere in between or thinking, yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2

A sort of quirk we didn't anticipate. And then one more tweet, Michael Burns alerts me to a Mike and North tweet. He's just going crazy about the the Eperflus decision to go for it fourth and one, tie game late and they tried to draw him off sides. They didn't. The Bears didn't draw the Broncos off side. They call time out. Then they went ahead and did it again and Khalil Herbert got stuffed. Broncos come down kick the field goal, win the game after after field stres a pick.

Speaker 1

That's another one seth with your quarterback just fall forward?

Speaker 2

What do you just fall forward?

Speaker 1

What are you doing?

Speaker 2

Seth Walder ESPN fourth down bot says it was better to kick the field goal there, I believe, but then other bots said it was better to go for so in the end, really, yes, it was a bit of a a bit of a mixed mixed result on that in terms of what the bots have to say. But there's a football common sense there were you were you trying to kick a field goal? You're trying to just you were thinking field goal? Yeah, I don't know. Here's

the thing. If ever Flew survived this, he probably can survive anything because now every every subsequent game, no matter what happens, if they do anything good, they'd be like, oh, they're improving. See never Flews. Maybe I don't know. Maybe all right, let's get let's get to some games.

Speaker 1

What do we got still early window on Sunday Giants at Dolphins.

Speaker 2

Okay, we don't have to talk about about this because the Giants played tonight against the Seahawks, a sight unseen on the Giants there one and two. And then the Dolphins we talked about. They lost to the Buffalo Bills, their first loss of the season, taking him down from the rank of the undefeated. Tuah was twenty five to thirty five and defeat two eighty two one touchdown, one pick you sat four times eighth Chane eight for one oh one and two more touchdowns for the rook minus

two and turnovers though the Dolphins. Was that led directly to a plus ten Buffalo net point result of those turnovers? Miami, I put it in between the seven and the ten, I said, Miami minus eight and a half. Sight unseen on the Giants tonight.

Speaker 1

Dolphins nine and a half. Okay, A draft games? Yeah, what's next? Saints at Patriots two.

Speaker 2

And two Saints one and three. Patriots talk about teams. You can't wrap your arms around the Saints, you know, as again, we're gonna get to Burrow. Should Derek Carr have been playing in this game?

Speaker 1

Absolutely not.

Speaker 2

After the Saints got a thirty seven yard group a field go on their opening drive, it was a punch fest till the second quarter. Tampa Bay eighty seven yards capped by a Mayfield decayd Otten four yard touchdown pass seven to three Tampa after a New Orleans punt. So this is the This to me is the key sequence of the game. Forty five seconds left in the second quarter, second and two at the New Orleans twenty one. Remember Tampa Bay's up four already. Mayfield gets picked by Isaac Yadam,

is that how you pronounced that first play? So you're like, Okay, New Orleans is gonna stay. They're only down four. What a big play New Orleans made there at the first half. At the end of the first half. But the first play on the ensuing drive, first and ten at their own one. After the pick, Adam Brentis fumbles Antwine Winfield Junior with the hit in the recovery, and two plays later, Mayfield to Trey Palmer from one out and with nineteen seconds left in the half, Tampa Bay makes it fourteen

to three. And basically that's all she wrote because it was a field goal in punt fest in the second half, seventeen to nine Tampa So they're up a score, they're up eight points. The Bucks then go seventy five yards. This is in the fourth quarter Mayfield god Win for forty two the big one forty two yard play. Mayfield to Devin Tompkins from five out for the touchdown. Twenty three to nine, Tampa three forty four left. That was it.

New Orleans had a four and out. Tampa added to McLaughlin twenty eight yard field twenty six to nine with two twenty four left, and that's how it would end as Jamis came in and immediately threw a pick. Kelly one play one pass thirty for thirty d Delaney picks it off Derek Carr twenty three of thirty seven for one twenty seven, no touchdowns, no picks. He was sacked twice. He lost the fumble. Jamis won pass one pick Camara. This is a really weird statline for Kamara. Eleven carries

for fifty one yards and thirteen catches for thirty three. Yeah, that's you gotta try to do that.

Speaker 1

So so what does that mean for Derek Carr his average air yards attempted. I believe it was point four yards because he's just all these dump offs and screen passes to Kamara.

Speaker 2

Yeah, one hundred and ninety seven total yards for the Saints, minus two and turnovers that led to plus ten net Tampa Bay points and then New England, the worst loss of Bill Belichick's career. By the way, Sharpe Bonalysis. Kamara the first player at NFL history with thirteen plus catches in a game and less than seventy yards receiving. He only had thirty three.

Speaker 1

He blew that one away.

Speaker 2

Good God, it's like that's Demagio right there. New England worst loss of Bill Belichick's career. They just get housed by Dallas. Dallas has crushed three opponents and lost to Arizona. Teams traded field goals to start the game, New England Dallas. Dallas won seventy five yards dack to Lamb from twenty out ten to three. Dallas won thirty left first quarter.

New England had a took his push that failed fourth and one at the Dallas forty one thirteen forty nine left in the second quarter, Jones was stuffed for no game than after a Dallas punt second and twelve with their own eight, Jones was sacked. This is where the game gets out of hand. Mac Jones sacked by Dante Fowler Junior Layton vander esh recovers eleven yards to Paydirt

sixteen to three. Dallas. Little trickeration on the two point conversion angered at golston Us eighteen to three Dallas eleven oh nine left in the second quarter. Then it was twenty one to three when Jones, who had just completed a broken pass, a broken play crossfield pass. He went back to the well. He's like, oh, I did it

once the first time. I could do this again. Oh yeah, Second and ten of the Dallas forty eight, with one h seven left, he tries it crossfield, picked by Deron Bland to the house fifty four yards, twenty eight to three. Dolls of the half at the half. By the way, that was after Jones almost threw another pick right before the half ended, right, so we just threw it in

the linebacker's chest, I believe. Second half, first drive, fourth and two with the Dallas forty for New England eleven forty nine left in the third quarter, Jones picked by Bland again. That led to a Dallas field goes thirty one to three. Anyway, you get the idea. After a Pats three and out, Jones was finally benched by Bailey, bench by Belichick for Bailey Zappi. Belichick would say later

that it was it wasn't for a performance. It wasn't for a performance, really, Bill, He goes, it just seemed like the right thing to do. In his Belichick voice, Ye.

Speaker 1

I'm like performance, it seems like the right thing to do, exactly right.

Speaker 2

Dallas added a touchdown later thirty eight to three. Jones ended up twelve of twenty one for one fitty, no touchdowns, two picks, he was sacked on he lost the fumble. Zappi four of nine for fifty seven, ten first downs for the Pats, two hundred and fifty three total yards. They were minus three and turnovers that led to a net plus seventeen Dallas points fourteen completely directly on a scoop and score and a and a pick six. So I don't know what to do with either of these teams.

So I just made it New England minus three one and a half. Okay, they have a mac Jones massive problem.

Speaker 1

Yeah, so you're serious. This is to me they're based them in. The Atlanta Hawks are basically the same thing. What about the Atlanta Falcons? Thank you Atlanta Falcons? All right? Great? You want to tell me about your defense. Great, you want to tell me about your running game? Great? What happens when you got to throw the ball. It's a freaking disaster.

Speaker 2

Chris collins Worth has the best line ever in football, distilled the one sentence most important position in Football's quarterback the second most important position is backup quarterback. If you don't have an answer, Like, we already know how the Patriots feel about Bailey Zappy. They cut him, they waved him right, and then brought him back to the practice squad. So like, you have no confidence in Bailey ZAPPI either,

otherwise he'd be playing already. But Mac Jones has the other thing where like he is kind of pissy on the bench, like in these past weeks, right, he's like barking at people. It's like, Bro, you're Mac Jones. You can't really act this way you have you don't have the Tom Brady pedigree to do this. So I don't know, Like he won't be He's not gonna be the quarterback next year. But I think you're kind you're stuck with him for the rest of the year.

Speaker 1

See, you're at the point where you don't think he's the quarterback next year.

Speaker 2

I don't think he's the quarterback. I mean, I don't how can you play another season? Goal?

Speaker 1

I don't think he should be. But like, I feel like we just went through a whole summer of me here and a lot of people that were really really high on the Patriots or a whole summer. Four days ago, people were really high on the Patriots. Oh you can't make this six points against Dallas.

Speaker 2

Their defense was supposed to be quite good. But if you're I mean, if you're on the field all game long, you're gonna you're gonna start to stink during a football game. Also, you're gonna get gassed.

Speaker 1

You know, both these tea.

Speaker 2

Back to this game, I never understood the New Orleans to either Tampa Bay looks like the best team in the NFC South right now? Would you bet them to win the division.

Speaker 1

At this point? I don't know divisions, but I agreed they look like the best.

Speaker 2

But like I mean, it's it's hard. Those are two teams where it's like you have zero confidence in either of them and yet they're capable, much like Tennessee is of the random game where they look good yep, and that'll take you off the scent of them being super average.

Speaker 1

Well in with Tennessee. In New England, I'm not gonna take away like they have good coaches. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna take away from that, you know what I mean, no question, but I think that's where that you know that happens every once in a while.

Speaker 2

Let's get the three after the break guessing lines week five right here in a numbers game, it's skill, Alexander, we get tweets. I just want to read one of these because we got a lot of games to get to Scotty B seven twenty six. He says, I didn't understand the Demaggio reference in the same way that Joe DiMaggio's consecutive hits streak of fifty six games is unlikely

to ever get broken in baseball. They could, but you know it's a tough oneing no one's ever gotten past forty four the way that he's so far ahead of the rest of that field. Alvin Kamara thirteen plus catches. No one with that number of catches has ever gotten below seventy yards receiving. He had thirty three. That's why I said it was Damasi. Only Skull adds this. He says, uh, forgive me, but is it really a took us push?

If the tuk Us push fails, yes, because you're still trying to push the took us yep games, What do we got?

Speaker 1

Ravens at Steelers last early.

Speaker 2

Game, Ravens at Steelers three and one Ravens two and two Steelers. Baltimore beats Cleveland MC. Here's the thing, did you did? You good on you to not have Cleveland in the contest, because when we left here Friday, Yeah, we leave here Friday, and every literally like nine to fifteen pacifics, like fifteen minutes after the show, it starts going around, Oh, Deshaun Watson might not play. He's probably

not gonna play on Sunday. But then like Mary Kay Cabot, right, who covers the covers the Browns, She's like, no, I just talked to DeShawn. He's absolutely playing. He's a go. Only to wake up Sunday morning to find out, Oh, Deshaun Watson not playing. So that was fun. Uh, dtr

going for the Browns. Brown's second drive of the game, second and three at the Cleveland forty five dtro Are picked off Dorian Thompson Robinson that is picked off deflection by Brandon Stevens returns at fifty two yards first play from the ten, lamar in seven to nothing, Baltimore six

thirty eight left, first quarter, seven to three Baltimore. Now second and three for Baltimore at the Cleveland thirty six ten point fifty three left in the second quarter, Lamar fumbled Maurice Hurst recovered, but the Browns couldn't do anything with it, and then Baltimore, after a punk, goes ninety three yards and eight plays, seven of which were on the ground. The only pass play was for thirty six to Mark Andrews Lamar in from two out, fourteen to

three Baltimore. Then after Cleveland three and out, Baltimore was seventy four yards, including converting a second and twenty nine on a forty three yard connection. Is Zay Flowers Lamar to Mark Andrews from six out with seventeen seconds left and a half twenty one to three Baltimore at the half, three touchdowns versus the vaunted Cleveland D that had given up just one touchdown up to that point in the season. Up to this game. Second half, teams traded punts three times.

Then dtr threw a pick with nine to forty six left in the game. Geno Stone took it back thirty six yards short field thirty eight yard drive for Baltimore. Lamar hit Andrews from eighteen out with six point two left, ceiling the deal twenty eight to three. Baltimore a trade of punts and another dtr pick later, this time by Kyle Hammonds. Kyle Hamilton, pardon me. On the last play of the game ended it. Lamar fifteen of nineteen for

one to eighty six, two touchdowns, no picks. He was sacked three times, nine carries for twenty seven yards, two touchdowns and one fumble loss, Andrews five for eighty two touchdowns. Baltimore held Cleveland to one hundred and sixty six total yards. They were plus two in turnovers that led to plus fourteen Baltimore net points. And then Pittsburgh we already talked about, lost to Houston. Kenny Pickett fifteen of twenty three for one fourteen before he was hurt in this game, no touchdowns,

one pick. He was sacked three times. Tru Bis in relief three of five for eighteen nase fourteen of seventy one on the ground, one catch for thirty two. Pittsburgh was out gained by Houston four fifty one two twenty five. As we noted, doubled up on first downs twenty four to twelve. Baltimore just keeps on chugging. It looks like Mitch Trubisky at this point with Pittsburgh no picket, I will say Baltimore by three on the road.

Speaker 1

Baltimore four and a half. I'm light, Yeah, four and a half.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I think that. I think your number is better.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I can't argue. Yeah, it was three three and a half this morning over at DraftKings. So this has ticked up. Ravens taking money. I think, no, no surprise with the with the picket news coming down this morning that he's gonna miss time. We talked during a break though, what would you what's the difference in the spread against the picket to Mitch t bisis.

Speaker 2

I think Trubisky's probably worth more. Quite frankly, I think he's probably worth a point.

Speaker 1

Or two more tops. It's probably even though I think it's gonna break even. I think I think there's a lot of people, at least before this season that would have said picket at least a couple one or two points better. I don't know if that. I don't know if that's shifted in there.

Speaker 2

But there are so many quarterbacks where the jury is way out on and pickets one of them in this league.

Speaker 1

Yeah, absolutely, and Ravens, Look, I don't want to take too much from that game where you know they blew out the Browns with D t R just in that game. Just didn't eat it blowing in that game. I don't want to. I don't want to overblow things when it

comes to the Ravens. But man, this team is really banged up and they are still just picking up shugging what I mean like shugging like we always we've talked about, you're banking these wins, like these wins are banked and no matter all these injuries, you're still getting through this in a very tough division. What a great organization it really is, all right? First, uh, late window game Eagles at Rams four.

Speaker 2

And O Eagles only the Eagles and Niners are undefeated. Four and O Eagles at the Rams two and two Rams Hurts in victory over Washington twenty five to thirty seven for three nineteen two touchdowns. No Pixie was sacked three times AJ Brown nine for one to seventy five two touchdowns. By that tawning penalty game, Washington good field position on their game tying drive. As it turned out,

Eagles had eleven penalties for eighty one yards. Washington always gives them trouble and then the Rams beating the Colts in overtime after coughing up a twenty three point lead. Stafford twenty seven to forty for three to nineteen, one touchdown, one pick. He sacked twice. Kyron Williams twenty five for one oh three and two scores. Poka Nakua nine for one sixty three in a touch first touchdown of his career. Thirty nine catches in four career games, the most by

any player in his first four games of their career. Ever, five hundred and one receiving yards in his first four career games, the most by any player the first four games of their career. They outgained in Indianapolis for sixty seven to three twenty nine a thirty nine forty six to twenty four to twenty five advantage in top Philadelphia minus four.

Speaker 1

On the road minus five, So right in that same dead zone. Okay, should we do one more? Yeahs do one more? Four h five Eastern Bengals at Cardinals.

Speaker 2

Burrow in that lost to Tennessee twenty of thirty for one sixty five, no touchdowns. No Pixie was sacked three times. Jamar Chase seven catchers, seventy three yards. Here's his quote after the game. I'm open. I'm always blank and open. That's your unquote right there. Outgained by Tennessee four hundred and to eleven Arizona against the Niners. They lose to the Niners, but not without a fight. After they're incredible.

They're incredible. After an Arizona punt, Niners won sixty two yards for a touchdown mccafrey in from one seven to nothing Niners. Then after another Arizona punt, Niners won seventy five yards, including a party to Kittle nine yard conversion on a fourth and five at the Arizona forty two plays later, McCaffrey in from eighteen fourteen to nothing nine

Ers two plays into the second quarter. Then after the Cardinals make it fourteen to three on a Prater thirty eight yard field goal, Niners go another seventy five yards perty to Ayuk for forty two. The big play Perdy to McCaffrey from six out twenty one to three Niners five twenty two left in the second quarter, and you're like, Oh, they're just gonna roll them, noop, not Jonathan Gannon's Arizona Cardinals.

Cardinals go seventy five yards, including a fourth and two at their own twenty one three forty five left, fake punt at their own twenty one down eighteen snap to the up back of Egil Turner. He gets two yards. Then they matriculate hops to Michael Wilson from sixteen out twenty one to ten San Francisco right after a Dobbs to Wilson thirty three yard connection. We go to the half. Second half after a Niner spunt, Arizona then goes ninety

nine yards Dobs to Marquise Brown for forty one. The big play Dobbs to Michael Wilson again from made out twenty one to sixteen. Two point conversion fails on a James Connor run four to twelve left in the third quarter. Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, they're only down five

and half. The survivor field has the Niners. The Niners, though, then because they're the Niners, they immediately go seventy five yards, beginning with a Perty two a Uke thirty four yard pass play, Endian and McCaffrey one yard run twenty eight to sixteen nine ers fourteen twenty two left, and then after an Arizona punt San Francisco eighty nine yards, methodically, surgically clinically Perty in from one thirty five to sixteen with one to fifty nine left ball, but the spread

was still in doubt. Kelly last two plays from the fifteen yard line. Ertz drops a short touchdown pass, then Zach Pascal can't make the catch in the corner of the end zone either. What an escape for Niners backers and a brutal loss for Cardinals backers. Dobbs ended up twenty eight to forty one for two to sixty five, two touchdowns, No Pixie with sack ones twelve carries for forty eight yards and Mike Wilson seven for seventy six

and two touchdowns. Cincinnati at Arizona, I will say the Cardinals by one and a half.

Speaker 1

Oh wow, Bengals three and a half point favorites on the road. I believe this opened even higher.

Speaker 2

Is the market does the market watch NFL football game?

Speaker 1

So the look ahead on this? I think the look ahead on this was like eight and we were even ticking.

Speaker 2

This is this is a max. What is the line right now?

Speaker 1

Bengals four?

Speaker 2

This is a max bet on Arizona right now? This we talk about first week, we talk about first instincts on guessing lines coming through every week and sometimes multiple game this year, how are the Joe Burrow cannot move, he can't move, he can't move, Higgins out, This was eight last week. Joe Burrow is in shotgun every play. He's never be under center, He's in shotgun. He cannot move out of the pocket. He can't move. And Arizona shows up every game. By the way, Arizona just in

season window. I haven't looked at it. Over might be the play right now because that team is great. It is great in terms of what their expectations were. Jonathan Gannon and I know because they're one and three, he can't be considered for coach of the year, but he's honestly doing a coach of the year job for that team. That team, that team is so live every game. Can't have more respect for them. And you're saying Cincinnati is favored before. You gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 1

There the greatest one and three football team that's just signed a quarterback seven weeks ago I've ever seen.

Speaker 2

Right before the season started, only four. By the way, how about Cleveland getting rid of Dobbs? You don't think they would have wanted him. Y.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that might be h that might have come in handy.

Speaker 2

What's the second most important position in football? Backup? Quarterback? Wow? Can't believe that line coming back with more. Next two things, One, we didn't do the Survivor or sounder today because pretty much everybody advanced in the Survivor.

Speaker 1

But you don't feel they want to throw that in at any point just to make it official.

Speaker 2

Yeah. The other thing is I that entire break. I am stunned by that line. Stunned by that Cardinals Bengals line.

Speaker 1

I think you made it move there, Gilly uh, Mike don Best has lit up like a Christmas tree. We're down a three and a half pretty much everywhere right after that segment. Yep.

Speaker 2

I just don't understand it, man, I just are are they watching football?

Speaker 1

I think there? I think it goes back to the conversation we have all the time. Now where you're going with your priors. You're gonna move off your priors? Right? It was an eight point look ahead line, yes, and I just don't think they want to move it more than four and a half points.

Speaker 2

It's exactly it, It's exactly what it is because in the off season, and all, raise my hand, we all thought Arizona was going to be the awful team that you could pick on every week and even something like Survivor. And we all thought Cincinnati was one of the elite teams in the NFL. Neither is the case. Not even close. Wow, I had Arizona's a one and a half point favorite. That's a max bet. I just bet it myself. I just beted myself at plus four on the break. Good

you got four. The only place that had the four left was where in.

Speaker 1

Town south Point?

Speaker 2

Of all the places, Chrissy is the only one not listening. That's right, all right?

Speaker 1

What's next? Four twenty five Eastern Jets at Broncos.

Speaker 2

One in three and one in three? How about the Jettisons last night? How about the Jetropolitans.

Speaker 1

I was waiting for one of those games. I wish they would have won it because I wasn't involved. I root for Zach Wilson.

Speaker 2

On the megapod, we were asked, what's the big favorite you think is the most likely to lose? Outright? And I said, the Chiefs, Did I bet accordingly? I did, of course, Yeah, I did not Chiefs looked like they were gonna blow out the Jets. Last night, Chiefs got a Butcker thirty seven yard field go on the first drive three to nothing. Then after in Jets three and out, Pacheco takes it to the house from forty eight out ten to nothing. Kansas City. Who is it that said

this last night? Somebody on ESPN, OH, I think it was Tim Hasselbeck said, but Checko runs like he's angry at the ground. It's such a great description. Then a Jets four and out after the Jets punted fourth and one at their own forty one. This was sort of the underrated thing of last night's game that neither of the announcers seized on. Sala kept like taking points off the board potentially, so fourth and one at the at their own forty one, he decides to punt down ten

to nothing. Casey then goes eighty nine yards, Mahomes to Pacheco for thirty three, a big play on the drive. Mahomes to Gray for thirty four to the house three plays later, seventeen to nothing. Kansas City. At that point in the game, three twenty four left in the first quarter, Chiefs had run eighteen plays and scored seventeen points, so that's pretty good. Then a six play drive for the Jets. They have to punt it third down for Kansas City

at their own seven. Now here's where things start to shift. A face mask penalty is called on Juwan Taylor in the end zone for a safety, but replay showed that Juwan Taylor, oh, he didn't wait till the end zone to grab the face mask. He grabbed it outside of the end zone. It should not have been a safety. Nonetheless, seventeen to two Kansas City, thirteen twenty left in the

second quarter. The Jets that matriculate Wilson to Lazard the big play thirty nine yards, they settle for a zer line thirty one yard field goal on fourth and three at the KC thirteen. Sala elects not to go for that seventeen to five, nine to fifty left in the second quarter. So again all these little moments that sort of get washed away where Sala's like, well, just we'll punt it, or we'll kick the field goal here. Whatever. That came back to haunt the Jets later. But again,

Tarico and Collins, we didn't really sees on it. Mahomes immediately picked by Ashton Davis by the way on maybe the worst pass I've ever seen Patrick Mahomes ever throw way underthrown intended for Gray than a horse collar that wasn't called on Casey's Derek Noddy set the Jets up at the Kansas City twenty nine Six plays later, Wilson to C. J. Zoma for one out, seventeen to twelve Kansas City, six twenty six left in the second quarter.

Chiefs go downfield. They escape a CJ. Moseley pick when Mahomes and Kelsey weren't on the same pageh Butker from thirty seven twenty to twelve Kansas City, two fifteen left in the half. Then the Jets get to a fourth and one at the Casey thirty four to thirty seconds left, zerline joints of fifty two yarder first plan suing drive Mahomes picked by Moseley, twenty to twelve Kansas City. The app. Mahomes just played the worst app I've ever seen him play.

Jets get the ball. Second half, Jets go seventy five yards Wilson to Lzard from ten out, two point version Wilson in from two twenty to twenty were tied ten forty left of the third quarter, three and out for Casey, three and out for the Jets. Casey punt first place. Subsequent drive first and ten to thrown fifteen Breese for how many yards? Here We're all lost it here Breist

goes forty three yards with the drive stalls punt. Kansas City gets a Butcker twenty six yardfield goal to put them back up twenty three to twenty ten to fifty one left in the game. And then here's the play second to nine at the CAC forty nine for the Jets. Wilson, after a game in which Collinsworth and Tarrico bent over backwards to praise him for every little thing that he did in this game. In shotgun, he fumbles the snap whoops recovered by Tershawn Wharton, seven to twenty four left,

seven twenty four left Kelly seven to twenty four. Basically half of the quarter, and the Chiefs are up three, and the Chiefs are going nowhere. In fact, they're going backwards from the Jets forty seven, and they end up because Mahomes almost through another pick, they end up third and twenty two at their own forty one A six twenty one left. Mahomes runs for twenty four, then third and twenty at the Jets forty a defensive hold called on Sauce with four to nineteen left and another first

under three minutes. The Jets started forced to use their timeouts, but it doesn't matter because Casey runs out the clock twenty three to twenty Kansas City, including Mahomes sliding after he passed the sticks, but right before he got to the end zone on third and eight from the eleven with two minutes left. That sealed the deal. Sorry, conspiracy theorists, that's how you win the game. He was supposed to do that. He did it correctly. Chiefs win by three.

Wilson in defeat twenty eight for thirty nine for two forty five, two touchdowns, no picks. He was sacked twice and of course the fumble lost, which was huge. Who are they playing? Man? Denver? Denver Wilson in defeat to the Bears twenty one of twenty eight for two to twenty three, three touchdowns, no picks. He was sacked once in the win. Pardon me over, Chicago outgained by Chicago

four seventy one to three eleven. Denver was plus two in turnovers where we talked about both in the fourth quarter, the sack scoop and score a tie the game at twenty eight, and then the pick to end it from Justin Fields Jets at Denver. Remember before the season, I said with Rogers the gauntlet of their first six games for the Jets. With Rogers, if you give him the three and you give him truth serum, they'll take it immediately.

As soon as Rogers got hurt in that first game with the Achilles tear, the Jets still won that game. They're one and oh, I said with Wilson through the six game gauntlet, they should take the two and four immediately. This is the game where they got to get the two. They gotta win this case. They got to win this game at Denver. I'll say Denver minus one and a half. I split the difference between a pick him and three.

Speaker 1

Denver two to two and a half pretty much everywhere.

Speaker 2

Okay, thanks were back to normalcy after that. About to after that, Arizona Bank lost guess DraftKings down to three on that game.

Speaker 1

By the way down on Bengals Cardinals, are you serious?

Speaker 2

Wow?

Speaker 1

Uh?

Speaker 2

Chiefs Vikings? So glad I got that in right there.

Speaker 1

Yeah, Chiefs Vikings for twenty five.

Speaker 2

Three and one Chiefs one in three Vikings who got off the schneid with that win over the Panthers. Mahomes in that game against the Jets was eighteen of thirty for two oh three, one touchdown, two picks, one sack, seven carries for fifty one yards. He was not good yesterday and yet still found a way go twenty for one to fifteen on the ground, three catches for forty

three yards. And then Minnesota with that win over Carolina Kirk Cousins twelve completed forward passes for Kirk Cousins twelve for nineteen for one thirty nine, two touchdowns, two picks, He was sacked twice. Jefferson six catches for eighty five yards.

Minnesota held Carolina only two hundred and thirty two total yards, but Minnesota only had two sixty five themselves, and Carolina out time of possession of them thirty eight twenty nine to twenty one thirty one case minus six at Minnesota probably light on that.

Speaker 1

Uh no, kay, uh you know what? It opened like six. I think most places it is pretty much five five.

Speaker 2

And a half. Yeah, Okay, Minnesota buddy coming in by the way. That so as we talked about the Jets just now and also Minnesota in the same segment for a while there, that's Zach Wilson performance because he was much better last night. And if they won that game, and as they were as they got to a twenty to twenty score and then they had the ball at twenty twenty and it looked the Jets had a possibility

of pulling off this upset. It reminded me a little bit of that Kirk Cousins you like that game when he played at Washington, where up until that point in his career he was a historically epic turnover machine. Yep, RG three. He had to sit behind RG three. RG three got hurt, scuttled away, obviously tragedy. And then Kirk Cousins became the starting quarterback and he was just historical rate of turnovers. Now a lot of people are sort

of snickering like is and he's still on a historical turnovers. No, then he was really historical, and then they were down twenty four to nothing. Washington was in a twenty fifteen game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at home. They came all the way like Kirk Cousins. I remember at the end of the first half he hit like Jamison Crowder with a pass, then he hit peerre Garson with another they scored, and you're like, ah, what a great drive from Kirk Cousins. And then the second half he was like,

Oh my god, who is this guy? And they came back and they beat Tampa Bay and that's what sparked the hole. You liked that thing. I sort of felt like, if the Jets had pulled that off last night, that was gonna be Zach Wilson's you liked that game, but it didn't happen.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I'm rooting for sex. Everybody's crushing the poor kid. Poor guy. This is like his whole career, you know that, Like this season, After this season, you're you're you're gonna be relegated to backup duty and then oh boy, you boy probably got about a year or two of that and you might be out of the lead.

Speaker 2

At least he took responsibility last night for that fumble, though. It's easy to do when you play well and then you just have the work bad play and you're like, ah, so much.

Speaker 1

I could have wanted if I didn't do that.

Speaker 2

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the window after the show. He's absolutely right about that, Joe Abraham, I have been guessing lines for decades on Sunday Night, and I've never been I've never ever been close to as wrong as I am on Cincinnati at Arizona. I had Arizona at minus two and a half. Bet them last night at plus five and a half, I had no doubt Gil would be right there with me. I sure was go one, just me, Eric Eric at e fezy four fifty. Would you take Zach Wilson over Desmond Ritter right now in Atlanta?

Speaker 1

I think about that.

Speaker 2

I don't. It's exactly my reaction. I don't even want to waste the brain space to think about that. I have no idea if I would. Sports of Cousins had more yards completed to the Panthers that he did to his own team? Is that right? Old on?

Speaker 1

Let me check this well, ninety nine yards on one, thirty one on the other.

Speaker 2

I think Cousins to his team beat him by nine yards. Actually he won, he won by nine yards. I think, just all right.

Speaker 1

Quick, everybody's gonna watch the replay of Cousins trying to catch catch the returner on that that pick Sixever, I forget.

Speaker 2

Who the quarter was, Sam Franklin, I believe, yeah.

Speaker 1

I think I think you're right now, Yeah Franklin Franklin, and it was. It's just so great. You watch how many times Franklin checks back on Cousins, and because he kind of does the whole is he still really trying. Oh he's still trying. I've got a I've got a group of blockers heading up behind me that I could feel. He looks over and it's like, Kirk, don't make me

slow down, and like, let you get blown up. And then Kirk still hustling over his heart as he can, and Franklin just pumps on the brakes, reel lightly and demolished Cousins.

Speaker 2

This play was the first of all the pass was so bad.

Speaker 1

It was so bad.

Speaker 2

And then even before that part you could tell Kirk in his head like, did this whole pro tractor angle thing? You know, I'm not as fast as this. Oh he got the angle, so yeah, he perfectly measured it. He's like, if I run for the twenty, I'll get there perfectly. And then Sam Franklin's reaction was exactly what you said.

Speaker 1

Is he really tried, He's really trying.

Speaker 2

He gets trucked. You pointed out off areas like and then the conversation that Kevin O'Connell must have with Cousins afterwards. Okay, so now that that's over, let's talk about the next drive.

Speaker 1

Now that you're now that you're gassed, winsick and pain let's talk about this next drive that's about to start immediately. I love just I love with these athletes. They could revert back to like middle school mindset. Right, it's oh, I made a mistake. I better run down there and clean it up. Yeah, like O'Connell doesn't want you making that tackle either. Just go down.

Speaker 2

They pay you millions. Man.

Speaker 1

All right, let's get the good stuff. You're ready? Yeah, game, I'm most excited for this whole season so far. Sunday Night football, Cowboys at Niners.

Speaker 2

Marquee matchup three and one Cowboys four and oh nine ers. Did you want to say something to me off air? By the way, when he left your le go, I have to say to you in air?

Speaker 1

Yeah? I wanted to. I wanted to wanted you to move this number too.

Speaker 2

Oh so what you wanted me to?

Speaker 1

Uh?

Speaker 2

Three and one Cowboys four and h nine ers. Dak Prescott in that just blowout of the Patriots twenty eight of thirty four for two to sixty one, one touchdown, no picks, sack three times. They held New England. Dallas did to ten first downs, two hundred and fifty three

total yards. They were plus three in turnovers. New England had three, Dallas had none, led to a net plus seventeen Dallas points, as we pointed out, fourteen of which were immediate on the scoop and score in the pick six San Francisco in their win over Arizona Purty Brock Perty twenty of twenty one for two eighty three. I've been doing this show for you for over a decade.

I don't think I ever remember. I could be wrong somebody completing or attempting more than twenty passes and only having one incomplete twenty for twenty one for two eighty three, one touchdown, no picks, he was sacked one's. Perty did not throw an in completion till his fourteenth pass that

was in the third quarter. And then McCaffrey twenty four one oh six and three touchd on the ground seven for seventy one in a touchdown, receiving thirteenth straight game including the playoffs, that McCaffrey has scored a touchdown in a Niners uniform. That breaks an all time franchise record previously held by Jerry Rice and I mentioned earlier when we were talking about MVP. He has six hundred total

yards in four games. The record is held by Chris Johnson north of twenty five hundred yards from scrimmage in a sixteen game schedule. Like McCaffrey could beat that at this pace, at this pace, he would.

Speaker 1

I mean, I feel like that Chris Johnson here, you'll never forget, never forget.

Speaker 2

Yeah, you know what I mean. That was a thing the whole season. I mean to just get McCaffrey. Oh, where the Niners were good already. Oh, and now we have Christian McCaffrey. I used six catches for one forty eight. We're getting to the point that brock Purty might be the biggest misevaluation of.

Speaker 1

A player in the history of the NFL draft. We're getting that. Oh, don't worry, Gill, There'll still be people five weeks from now being like, well, I would say the Niners are the best team, but I'm not sure about Brock.

Speaker 2

Perty San Francisco minus four and half.

Speaker 1

San Francisco minus three and the hook it's too light.

Speaker 2

I think it's too light.

Speaker 1

You laying it anyways, at this number, I gotta sit back and I gotta think about it. I think I'm just gonna be sitting back and enjoying this game because.

Speaker 2

The Cincinnati Arizona spread has overridden everything else on this show. You can't even I can't concentrate.

Speaker 1

I mean the problem is with these with these two teams, Dallas and San Francisco, they haven't played anybody could yet.

Speaker 2

Dallas has three absolute blowouts of opponents and then they got punched in the mouth by Arizona, right, and San Francisco is just.

Speaker 1

I mean, okay, fine, you went through Pittsburgh, you went through the Rams, Giants in Arizona. You did what you were supposed to it did what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 2

Yeah, that's true. Monday Night, what do we got.

Speaker 1

Monday Night Packers at Raiders?

Speaker 2

Oh? We actually they talked about the Raiders. Packers lost to the Lions. They'll have extra rest Thursday night game this past week. They're two and two, the Raiders are one and three. No Jimmy g Yesterday it ended up not being Brian Hoyer either. It ended up being Ad

and O'Connell. And I think pointed this out, like if you glance at Aid and O'Connell, he's about the same size, maybe a little taller than Derek Carr, but he's wearing the same uniform number He's about the same size and if you glance at his face, he almost looks like Derek Carr. You're like, wait a minute, did they get Derek Carray. Chargers took the opening drive of the game eighty six yards, ended in a Herbert twelve yard touchdown run. Teams traded punts and the Raiders won sixty four yards

ad O'Connell in from one. It was tied up at seven apiece forty five seconds left in the first quarter. Then after Cameron Dicker, the kicker thirty three yard field goal to put the Chargers up ten to seven, and with ten thirty six left in the second quarter, Raiders first play of the subsequent drive, O'Connell, intended for Davante Adams, did hurt himself. Michael Davis tried to break it up. Davis's weight landed on Adams. I think his hand specifically,

I don't know. He went to the locker room. He would return, though. Two plays later O'Connell was sacked. I thought it was the tuck rule, but he fumbled. They recovered and they ruled it a fumble recovered by Chris Rump, then helped along with by a Jerry Tillery on sports and like penalty hitting Herbert when he was already out of bounds, and a disqualification ensued Herbert to allen from seven out seventeen to seven Chargers seven to twenty left.

Second quarter, fourth subsequent drive, O'Connell, sacked by Khalil Mack fumbles, Austin Johnson recovers six plays thirty five yards later Herbert in on fourth and goal from the one. I guess on the Drew Brees play twenty four to seven. I guess he was over twenty four to seven. That would be the halftime score. Second half, after trading punts, the Raiders cut it to twenty four to ten on a Carlson twenty two yardfield go four to fifty one left

in the third quarter. Herbert then picked by Trayvon Marriing, but just results in another trade of punts. Then the Raiders do go sixty yards Jacobson from one on fourth and goal after McDaniels fails to challenge on the previous play when Adams appeared to score a touchdown that was ruled short Esventually two plays later, McDaniels is like, eh, let's make it more difficult. He doesn't challenge it then down eight instead of going for two. He's old school.

He kicked the extra point, so add him to the list of coaches that don't know to go for two. Twenty four to seventeen, three to fifty nine left. So you're figuring the Chargers have this big lead. Oh my god, are they gonna coast into a victory? Of course not. Chargers four won at their own thirty four, three thirty four left, Herbert stuffed on an attempted tilk his Bush Raiders ball fourth and ten at the Chargers twenty two.

All the Chargers need is one stop, of course, not O'Connell to Adams for nineteen, but first and goal at the three chance to tie the game O'Connell picked by Asante. Samuel only has O'Connell to pat and he goes down for no reason.

Speaker 1

What was with that?

Speaker 2

Two thirty three left. Raiders still have the two minute warning and one timeount third and ten, then at their own eleven with two minutes left. It's the play of the game. What do you do? Do you run and milk the clock or do you pass and try to end it? You have justin Herbert good on the Chargers. You throw it Herbert to Joshua Palmer for fifty one. Eh maybe a bit of a push off ball game bails out Samuel. Chargers win at twenty four to seventeen.

O'Connell twenty four to thirty nine and defeat for two thirty eight, no touchdowns one pick him sex seven times.

Speaker 1

Six by Khalil Mack six, who.

Speaker 2

Also, by the way, force two fumbles. O'Connell had two fumbles, lost Jacobs seventeen to fifty eight on the ground with a touchdown eight for eighty one, catching minus two and turnovers the Raiders were that led to plus fourteen. Chargers net points might have been plus twenty one if Samuel had kept running. By the way, what was this green bay at the Raiders? Yes, Raiders. I split the difference between the pick them and the three I said, one and a.

Speaker 1

Half for the Raiders is moving the other way. Packers up to two and a half point favorites.

Speaker 2

You know what, that's probably right. They're probably the right team favorite.

Speaker 1

I agree. I've been just laughing at the Cardinals. Have screwed with your brains so much.

Speaker 2

I can't get I can't think of anything else. Is it possible to make the Cardinals all five of my picks next week, and.

Speaker 1

I don't think that's gonna work. That's work work.

Speaker 2

That's my biggest takeaway that that's the biggest. The record for the biggest off guests I've ever had is seven points. There was a Pittsburgh Miami Monday night game some years ago that some people will remember if they if they've been listening to guessing lines for a long time, But that one right there is probably second.

Speaker 1

Probably second. I'm with you, man down to three at DraftKings, just I don't know what you got. You just can't trust this Beangals team and Joe Burrow right now, he's too hurt. It's too hurt, he can't move. I hope there was something in there that triggered a bet for you. We've done all we can do.

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