Beating The Book: 2023 NFL Week 12 Guessing Lines Show

you're going. Happy Thanksgiving prior to the holiday or the day after Thanksgiving still coming out with a Happy Thanksgiving. We're kind of going Larry David the whole Happy New Year's thing. Here on me. I got you.

It has been a spectacular process all year long. It has gotten us to winners week after week after week. One week week five, I think it was. It was terrible every other week, including this past one. Were of the two games we like the best here, or at least that I did. Minnesota and Cleveland both got there. It was just plinko at the end for Minnesota for sure, and some might argue for Cleveland. I'd argue in both

cases it shouldn't even got into a plinko situation. We'll get into in that whole process, we go through everything that happened yesterday in the NFL as well, and what a day it was with some of these outcomes. We'll get to it all momentarily on this Thanksgiving way where we've got three games on Thanksgiving, and I know we

got a Black Friday game as well. I know that from Circus Survivor, And speaking of Survivor, there were six hundred and nine of the of the original nine, two hundred and sixty seven entries left still alive heading into this past week in Circus Survivor, one thousand dollars of pop per entry, nine million, two hundred and sixty seven

thousand dollars at steak. Of those six hundred and nine, Kelly almost forty percent thirty eight point nine two percent knocked out, two hundred and thirty seven knocked out this past Thursday and Sunday really alt Yesterday, three hundred and seventy two left. Three hundred and seventy two players are left, most yesterday knocked out on the Washington Commodores. If I had had them left, I'd use them to three hundred

seven teventy two left. That means eight thou eight eight thousand, eight hundred and ninety five of the nine thousand, two hundred and sixty seven eliminated ninety five point ninety nine percent eliminated, three seventy two left. Last year, at this time there was only seventy four left. Ninety eight point six percent had been eliminated, so three hundred and seventy

two left. The intrinsic value of each of those remaining three hundred and seventy two entries is you're gonna tell me twenty four thousand, nine hundred eleven dollars and twenty nine cents.

have mattered anyway. Yeah, it definitely does mentally help us, Yes, for sure. So congratulations to the remaining three hundred and seventy two. Are those that are responsible for those three hundred seventy two. Tony Farmer over there at Odds Shark and apparently he is using survivor Atlas for these stats. Of the remaining three hundred and seventy two, first of all, he has two of them. But of the remaining three hundred and seventy two, Kelly, there are only forty one

people that have more than one entry. This gets backed again to my philosophy that having multiple entries ultimately doesn't matter. Now people are like, oh, what do you mean. Probably they had so many more and they played it than they have was in the end, everybody has one typically speaking, so only forty one of those three seventy two have more than one. Only fourteen or so of those forty one twenty excuse me, fourteen of those people have three

plus entries. We'll tell you what. Let me do it one. Let me do it this way, let me do it systematically. Six have three left. So what is it? It's it's I'll do the math. It's twenty seven have two, twenty seven people have two entries, six have three remaining two people two have four, Two people have four entries remaining. One person has five entries remaining. Two people have six entries remaining. What one has eight and two have ten. So again only forty one with over one with more

than one entry. Twenty seven have two, six have three, two have four, one have five, two have six, have one has eight, two have ten. Thank you, Tony former, Thank you survivor alas for those numbers surviving breakdown the.

for the Charges. The green Bay forty three nine to forty one left in the first quarter, they do not convert. Herbert incompleted in tendant for Parhum. Later it's three to nothing Chargers after a Dicker twenty five yard field goal first play second quarter, Jaden Reid for thirty two seven to three. Green Bay Chargers go seventy five yard six plays Herbert to Stone Smart for fifty one ten to seven.

Chargers twelve sixteen left in the second quarter. It would be ten to ten at halftime after Andrews Carlson missed a fifty two yard field goal, but made a twenty eight yarder, so ten to ten at the break. Now here's where the Chargers got Chargery Allan Keenan Allen drops a sure seven yard touchdown pass. Chargers have to settle for a Dicker twenty six yard field goal thirteen to ten. Chargers.

Remember that after a trade of punts, green Bay goes seventy yards Loved to Watson from eleven sixteen to thirteen. Green Bay miss Carlson pat and third quarter ensuing drive maybe the biggest play of the game. At the time, Chargers matriculate for their own twenty five second in goal. Eckler tackled Mike Anny Clark fumbles second in goal at the two. He fumbles, Rashan Gary recovers green Bay punt.

Remember that play. After green Bay punt, Chargers go sixty three yards Herbert to Allen for ten twenty to sixteen Chargers, but then Green Bay goes seventy five on the following drive, Love to Dobbs from twenty four out twenty three to twenty green Bay two thirty three to go, Chargers four and out, but they had all three timeouts. Green Bay three and out. The Chargers get the ball back with one twenty seven to go at their own twenty third and six from their own thirty Herbert deep to Quenton

Johnston behind the defense on his hands, drop Nope. And then on fourth and one from their own thirty five Herberts pass Baten down ball game. Green Bay wins twenty three to twenty. What's that three plays? We counted the Allen drop, the the Eckler fumble at the two, and then the Quentin Johnson dropped. Green Bay wins at twenty three twenty. Jordan Love twenty seven to forty for three twenty two two touchdowns, no picks. He was sacked three times.

Jayden Reid forty six on the ground, forty six receiving get a touchdown on the ground as well. And then there's Detroit first drive of the game. Chicago's seventy five yards down to Foreman in from one seven to nothing Chicago. Goff would throw a pick then Tyreek Stevenson getting it,

but didn't lead to anything. Chicago had to punt, but Detroit second drive golf picked again by t J. Edwards, this time on first and twenty at the Chicago forty five fourteen thirty eight left second quarter, Then two plays into the Chicago and suing drive fields and Tyler Scott

hit by Cameron Sudden fumbles. Alexandelone recovers of the Chicago thirty four a play after Goff almost throws a pick six that would have been his third pick of the game, instead gives in from two seven to seven, nine to twenty three left in the second quarter. After a Santos thirty one yard field goal made it ten to seven Chicago. Detroit gets the ball at their own twenty five with one forty seven left in the half, goes seventy five yards GoF to Saint Brown from seven out fourteen ten Detroit.

Half time, You're like, Okay, Detroit is just gonna roll

from here. Noope. Third quarter After Detroit punt Santo's fifty three yard field goal fourteen thirteen, Detroit then ensuing kit Craig Reynolds popped fumble recovered by Demarcy's gates at the Detroit forty three plays later, fills to Dj Moore from thirty nine out, touchdown twenty to fourteen, Bears four to forty one left third quarter and suing drive third and six of their own forty six golf picked over the middle by Tremaine Edmonds goff just reverting to his old

self Chicago short field starting out the Detroit forty three that leads to Santo's forty yardfield goal twenty three to fourteen, Chicago fourteen twelve to go. Another Detroit three and out, Another Santo's field goal, this from thirty nine, twenty six to fourteen Chicago now four fifteen to go Detroit. Then with four minutes and fifteen seconds left in the game, Galley,

they're down twelve. They wake up six plays, seventy five yards golf to Jamison Williams from thirty two, and just like that, in one minute and twenty seconds, it's twenty six twenty one Chicago. Then of course a Chicago three and out. Detroit takes over down five with two thirty three to go, seventy three yards and eleven plays. None of the plays longer than thirteen yards. Here's with casual matriculation. Montgomery in from one with twenty nine seconds left, two

point conversion. Good golf to Laporta twenty nine to twenty six. Lions, then fields sacked by Hutchinson, ball kicked out of the back of the end zone by Darnell Right. Hutchinson kicks it to the moon after that, no flag, by the way, which could have come into play. Thirty one to twenty six Detroit ballgame. That was the most stealth come from behind. Waight, what just happened finished that? I can remember? Golf twenty three of thirty five for two thirty six, two touchdowns,

three picks. He was sacked twice. Gibbs eight for thirty six on the ground with touchdown six catches for fifty nine. They were out time of possession. The Lions were forty minutes and twenty four seconds to nineteen thirty six, and they were minus two in turnovers. But it led to only plus one Chicago net point green Bay at Detroit to start Thanksgiving, I'll say the Lions by seven even touchdown.

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slash subscribe. It's kill Alexander. It's Kelly Bidlin guessing lines for week number twelve in the National Football League. As we roll in here, the music is blaring at the d and this morning they were playing Bob Seekers. We got tonight, which I have annoyingly been said now in between every segment, every chance I get, and Kelly wants it out of his head, So I'm just gonna do it for the rest of the show. Only night move.

So it's the only song loud, and we figured out, because we're geniuses, that it's the d Derek Stevens is from Detroit, and they're playing a lot of Bob Seeker. I think we can. I think we're reading too much into it, maybe maybe because otherwise we're missing some great kid rock around here. They show enough to play a lot of Bob Singer in here. They'll tell you that one F one, I have to I have to get all this in on this show. I know we have to guess lines, but I have to get all this

in F one. The Formula one race here on Saturday night, we're gonna compartmentalize. There's two. There's two conversations to be had. Let's talk about the race itself. First of all, let's flash up a picture. This was my vantage point. This is on the roof of my building watching the race. Glorious Las Vegas event. Let me just say this, and better than you were expecting. Right, Well, I mean, I know what my view is, but the fact that we got to see where my vantage point is is the

corner of the Strip and Harmon. For those who were unfamiliar with the street names, it's right where the Cosmo and the Aria. The street right in between the Cosmo and the Aria perpendicular to Las to the Las Vegas Strip. So they're coming down that picture. They're coming down the strip at two hundred and forty miles an hour, And my vantage point was perfect because I'd see them at

two forty, then I'd see them have to slow down. Right, We got them where they had to slow down and make not quite a ninety degree left turn, but enough so that I sound like my dad was like, what do you mean they throw the baseball one hundred miles an hour? I couldn't believe, like these cars are able to stop so smoothly like that and turn. But we got to see where, you know, La Clerk passed verstap

in the first time perfectly. And I had a bunch of f on and hard os up on the roof with me, and they had their TVs and they were giving me all the play by play, so it gave great context to it. So let me just say this, the race itself, those that period of time when the race was happening was gorgeous. Las Vegas, Nevada never looked more beauty. That was the best sort of advertisement for this city that there could ever be. And let me just say the part that I watched on TV two

from sky Sports. Sky Sports did a phenomenal job televising this, and American sports media that does the broad that does golf broadcasts could learn a lesson from them because they didn't just focus on the leaders. They focused on everybody. Here's someone passing, you know, for eighth place. So they did such a great job of that, and golf we see with every tournament it just wait, why aren't you showing so and so who's in third place? Can we see one? You know? And so there was a lesson

to be learned from that. But Las Vegas never looked more beautiful. The race was awesome. It was electric that night, like the whole thing was surreal, Like I can't believe they pulled this off. And so in that respect, you got to give them props for that. However, everything else that we endured for this, right the six months of construction, the arrogance of security that the weekend, the fact that everything,

every square inch in this town was monetized. Probably some politician was greased, and nobody has the you know, the courage to do an investigation on it. It's a ten year contract. But I will tell you this what it's gonna come down to. They're just gonna look at the economics, did the city, did the strip make more money than it otherwise would have, and all the indications by the way or that it might not have. And so we'll see, we'll see how this goes down.

This is Detroit and Dallas, obviously with home games traditionally on Thanksgiving each and every year, Washington loses to the Giants. I do not know how this happened. First drive of the game, they sacked Tommy DeVito twice, but which would

be a port of things to come. But then Howell was picked his first drive deep by first drive deep by Nick Nick McLeod, they would sack Washington would sack DeVito five times in the first quarter, the most in a first quarter by any team of opposing quarterback since

two thousand and six. After Giants three and out, skin second play on the drive, Howel to Logan Thomas hit by Michael McFadden and Xavier McKinney recovers at the Washington forty seven that led to a short field and de veto to Saquon twenty four year old touchdown pass seven to nothing, Giants six twenty nine left in the first quarter. The one guy that can beat you, they couldn't stop him.

After a sly twenty three yard field going to make it seven to three, and after a trade of punts Giants fourth and two at the Washington thirty four to ten eighteen left second quarter incomplete pass, but after the skin after Washington three and out, Giants go sixty two yards to veto to Darius Slayton for forty fourteen to three Higantes. Washington then goes seventy five yards howl in from eight in a on a play where he was like a pinball, knocking off players ended up on the ground.

Flags were thrown fourteen to nine because Slive misses the pat that would be the halftime score. Opening kickof second half Byron Pringle fumbles for Washington. Javarius Owens recovers to the Washington thirty four, but the Giants go backwards on the seventh and eighth sacks of DeVito of the game, Skins them matriculate slide from forty two fourteen to twelve Giants.

Maybe Washington could pull us off. After another three and out for the Giants punctuated by the ninth sack of DeVito, Washington has first and ten at the Giants thirty five with fifty one seconds left and the third quarter and Chris Rodriguez Juniors hit by Xavier He recovered by Micah McFadden.

The turnovers one after another that would lead to a Giant sixty seven yard drive Saquon for thirty six to start it to veto to Saquon from five out to end it twenty one to twelve Giants, thirteen thirty two left Howell, then picked by Darnay Holmes when he just threw it up for grabs, led to a bullock thirty six yard field will twenty four to twelve Giants six forty eight to go. Washington then go seventy five yards howl the Dotson for eight twenty four to nineteen Giants.

Then after a Giants three and out, Washington down five with the ball. They're oh, nineteen one, forty nine to go. They can do this, Kelly. They get it to first and fifteen at the Giants forty eight, Howell trying to throw it away instead pick by Isaiah Simmons to paydirt to the Izzy thirty one to nineteen Giants ball game Howell thirty one to forty five for two to fifty five, one touchdown, three picks, sack four times, three carries for

thirty five in a touchdown. They outgained the Giants Washington did four h three to two ninety two. They outfirst downed him twenty eight to thirteen, but they were minus six. Let me repeat that min is six and turnovers six turnovers for Washington, none for the Giants, which led to plus twenty four Giants net points. You ain't winning survivor you ain't winning any football game going minus six, and yet they had a chance to at the end. Well, they were minus five at the time when they had

a chance to. And then there's Dallas, Oh, Dallas. By the way, Isaiah Simmons also continues his like once a year, you're like, huh, yeah, that could be a really good salary. Really could be. No wonder he was drafted by where he was drafted at a clempse Dallas. After a teams trade, Dallas beat Carolina after the team's traded punts. Dallas won eighty three yards dak to Luke's scoonmaker from eighteen out seven to nothing, Dallas three twenty left first quarter ten

to three over Carolina. Now Dallas takes over their own forty with one to fifty six left in the second quarter. They go sixty yards on the strength of two Carolina unnecessary roughness calls Dak to ceedee Lamb from five out seventeen to three Dallas at the half, and you're like, oh,

the route is on. Not so fast though. Third quarter, after a trade of punts, Carolina went ninety on seventeen plays ninety on seventeen, during which the Panthers converted a fourth and two at their own forty nine and a fourth and set. It was a fourth and seven until Dallas ran into the kicker, then Bryce to theling for Bryce to feeling for sixteen to convert that, then a fourth and three at the Dallas twenty eight, Young to Theelan for three, and then a fourth and one of

the Dallas sixteen Miles Sanders for three. Three plays later, Young to tremble from four out seventeen to ten Dallas one fifty nine left in the third quarter, and you're like, oh, Carolina might cover this, they might be in this game. Nope. Dallas then goes seventy five yards pollared from twenty one twenty four to ten Dallas. The first play of the ensuing drive Bryce picked by Deron Bland. How many times have we said that? This year? Said this this year?

Thirty one yards of the House thirty to ten, thirteen forty eight to go. I'll tell you how many times four Bland's fourth pick six of the year is fourth, tying the record for the most in a season, and at that point he had seven plus games left of football to break it. He's got seven games left to do it. They'd win at thirty three to ten, No

use to continue. Dak twenty five at thirty eight for one nine, two touchdowns, no picks, he was not sacked, and Dallas health Carolina to thirteen first downs, just one hundred and eighty seven total yards. Remember ninety on that one drive and Dallas was plus two and turnovers that led to ten Dallas net points. Washington at Dallas second game on Thanksgiving, I will split the difference between the seven and the ten. I will say the Cowboys by eight and a half. You off it is up to eleven.

How is eleven?

guy in Kentucky, Kelly, please do me a favor. Do not mention Taylor Swift this morning? Help keep me out of the penitentiary. And then he writes about seven more tweets about this very subject. I think we just did mention Taylor Swift. Israel Negron, He says, any chance you can have that Formula one guy back on before this weekend's race. He was awful. Yeah, Phil Bobbitt. Phil Bobbitt was incredible with his Formula one picks. He was tremendous.

Good on him. Yeah, Buddhist man, get at us. I think he was tracking them all, but it was like, I mean, I think five or six dogs that he hit it like he was killing it. We're talking anywhere from like, but they seriously moved from the time he was on to race time.

also about the Open Buddhist Man. It's truly amazing that Gill continues to forget about the Guessing Lines opening with the live band sitting right next to him every week. True bros. Kevin right, he gets really excited to do guessing line. I really am and Kevin Ryan after surviving using Detroit multiple teasers. I was holding Vikings supposed two and a half and under forty two and a half. Thank god, I passed out drunk and missed the failed

two point Broncos try. My heart can only take so much. Oh, we will get to that for sure. By the way, the megapod, I am on a Are you ready for this? Sixteen and one spread? Run sixteen and one? Now here's with Kansas City penning tonight. But here's the thing, So the megapot, it's three plays a week for all of us. Me, Todd, Will Tom wish to have Will Hill and their guest this week was Cleve t Out. It's easier than five. Huh,

sixteen and one, so just killing it. But when you get in the contest and you have to do a fourth and a fifth, I drop off a cliff. So you know how hard it is to get to five. So you know my fourth and fifth wearth this last week Carolina and Miami. So like, I only went two and two in the contest penning tonight's game.

for Philling, and I think Jalen Hurts is hurt. By the way, I'm with you, We're both, We're both. I'm interested.

nothing Niners three fifty five left. First quarter, Tampa Bay first and five of the San Francisco thirty three Mayfield hit by Fred Warner fumbles Cleland Cleveland feral covers leads to a Jake Moody thirty seven yard field goal, ten to nothing Niners. Then Tampa goes seventy five yards Mayfield to Evans from one out, ten to seven Niners. Moody added a field goal thirteen to seven nine Ers at

the half. Third quarter after Tampa Bay punt, San Francisco goes ninety eight yards and three plays Perty to Ayuk for seventy six twenty to seven nine ers. After Tampa punt, San Francisco goes seventy nine yards Perty to Kittle from three out twenty seven to seven nine ers. The route was on or so it seemed one forty two left third quarter. Remember the spreads about eleven and a half. Here Tampa Bay goes seventy five yards brilliantly play called

after Talanoa Hufanga left the game. Mayfield to Rakeem Jarrett for forty one. He beat Jaiir Brown, who was in because Ufango was out. Then a twenty two yard PI on Warner Rashad Whiten from one twenty seven to fourteen nine ers fourteen eleven to the game San Francisco three and out. That followed by Tampa Bay matriculating trying to get the cover. Here they convert a fourth and five at the San Francisco twenty nine was seven to fifty

to go. Mayfield to Evans for eleven, but they fail on fourth and fourth to twelve with six forty five to go, So Niners backers get a reprieve right there in Mayfield incomplete in ten reverence, San Francisco three and out, though followed by a Devin Tompkins fifty one yard pum return for Tampa Bay. They're set up at the San Francisco thirteen spread in doubt again third and six of the Niners nine. Baker picked off deflection off of Drake Greenlaw's helmet in the end zone by Jay ear Brown

three thirty eight to go. San Francisco backers would survive one more last gas by Tampa Bay twenty seven to fourteen. Ballgame Party twenty one of twenty five for three thirty three, three touchdowns, no picks. He was sacked four times, a one fifty eight point three passer rating that is perfect. It is only the second Niners quarterback ever to get that, the other Joe Montana in nineteen eighty nine. It was

pretty good. Nineteen eighty nine. Sorry, little public enemy. McCaffrey twenty one of seventy eight on the ground twenty one four to seventy eight on the ground, five catches for twenty five yards in a touchdown. I Uke five for one to fifty six in a touchdown. Kittle eight for eighty nine and a touchdown A four to twenty to two eighty seven total yards advantage for the Niners. They were mine. They were excuse me, they were plus two and turnovers, but that led to only plus three San

Francisco net points. But they really may have also prevented a key seven for the cover of course, they're at the end. I will just say this again about Brock Purty, because I haven't in a few weeks really since the Niners, you know, went out to that amazing start. I don't believe people appreciate Brock party. I hope that this perfect game and by the way, his passer rating average for the last two games is almost perfect. I hope people start to now appreciate him for the player that he is.

And you know, I had that Offensive Player of the Year bet on him. I think I'm betting him MVP because nobody else has has really shined in that MVP race, you know, with the exception of a guy like Mahomes, who can come out and be brilliant again tonight, you're like, well, the the MVP. But Purty, to me, he is unappreciated. Everybody says, oh, it's because he's surrounded by these great players.

I don't believe that's the case. Pardon me. I think he's really really good at football, and he's so quick with his progressions. He sees the field so well as so many famous Niners quarterbacks from the past half. And we said that earlier in the year a lot about perty. I think I want to bring Ethan Strauss on the show because he has a pretty rant he wants to do. Also, who that plays Seattle? Seattle and the Rams, Oh my god.

After the Rams three and out, Seattle goes eighty eight yards Geno to dk metcalf from eight to seven to nothing, Seattle five to twenty left first quarter, Rams, aided by sixty nine yards of penalties, get the first and goal at the five, and here is Sean mcvay's brilliant play calling. Royce Freeman rush on first, Royce Freeman on second rush, Royce Freeman on third rush, then fourth and gold with

two Stafford didn't complete intended for rat Well. Meyers fifty four yard field goal made it ten to nothing Seattle, followed by the Rams three and that followed by another Rams three and out Meyers forty three yard field goal thirteen to nothing Seattle. Then the Rams go seventy five yards. Cup hurt at this point Stafford to Nakuah first target of the game for Buka Nakua, touchdown, thirteen to seven Seattle, nine sevens left. That's actually the halftime score. Okay. Third

quarter trade three and outs. Meyer's fifty two yard field goal makes it sixteen to seven Seattle. Teams trade punts twice, Gino getting knocked out of the game in the process with an elbow injury. Stafford will also get picked by Rieke Woollan, though, but Seattle will get stopped on a three and out, So Rams then go sixty eight yards Darryl Henderson in from one to make it sixteen to fourteen Seattle. That featured a horrible pi in the end zone.

I believe it was Woolan or was it Witherspoon covering Nakua. Nikoua just dripped over his own two feet I think. Then Lock drew locks in the game. He's picked by Darrion Kendrick. So keep in mind the Rams are down two at this point and Kendrick makes this makes a pick in Seattle territory, but Kendrick docked. Excuse me, it wasn't quite in Seattle territory because its downfield. But Kendrick docked fifteen yards for talking Schmack to the Seahawks bench.

So the Rams actually start back at their twenty one. It was further down the field that I remember, no problem. Nikoua to the rescue thirty two to start the drive, Nikua for ten. Six plays later. Nicoua rushes for seven and the first three plays later, but then first and goal at the seven. This is with them down to late in the game for the Rams. Here's what Sean McKay.

Sean McVay drums up rush on first down, then a pass intended for Nakua, then a little hitch pass to Henderson that has zero chance of getting in the end zone, so they have to settle for Lucas Hafersik twenty two yard field goal seventeen sixteen Rams one thirty one to go Gino back in no timeouts. They get it to thirty eight at their own forty Gino to Metcalf for twenty one. Then instead of a spike at the Rams thirty nine, Pete Carroll says Sean McVay, hold my beer.

They choose to run with twenty three seconds left. What are you doing? Sharponnay for two, followed by a spike. They should have spiked it first and had a pass play and spiked it again if they needed to. Myers, they settle for a fifty five yard field goal tried. Of course, it leaks right. No good. As good as Myers is, it's still fifty five yards and the Rams win in seventeen to sixteen. They sweep the season series versus Seattle. Only four hundred eight total yards of offense

combined in this game. These coaches are absolutely I know people like to crush other coaches. If you watch football week to week, every play, Kelly Sean McVay is consistently the worst coach in the NFL. I'm serious, you can crush other coaches. He's so bad week to week. Oh, San Francisco minus six on the riven S seven seven yep, up to seven. That was moving, Yeah, that's probably that's probably better than six. Both those guys were terrible, But

mcveay is every week. I know people think it's min nicoua Bett. It's not. He's terrible Black Friday game, next skill Alexander. It is Kelly Bidlin. I don't want to gloss over some of the things we've already talked about. This hour, and I realize we got a lot more games to get to. But Deron Bland again, I mentioned with the Cowboys four pick six is already this year. That matches the record. Four other guys have done it. Three other guys are four. I think it's four other

guys have done it. Seven games left to break. That should Doron Bland get Defensive Player of the Year consideration. Mike Greenberg, let's give credit words due. Mike Greenberg at ESPN, he's a Jets fan, was talking about how Drown Bland that's more touchdowns than the combined touchdowns of Jets wide receivers this year four to three. What are some of the other names of wide receivers who don't have four touchdowns throughout the league?

He will have shattered it at that point. Kind of he would have kind of shattered it at that point. We get tweets a badio. You have to be a part of the conversation. Then, of course he does NC one ninety five. Gambler at MX Square Better says, oh, man, can't wait for that Patriots Giants game. Gil, it'll be a nail bier with a final fourteen to ten. I mean DeVito versus Joan? Who does Jones? Who doesn't get excited for that? Oh God, what's that line gonna be?

Zero one? TK one? Tom kay? First we betting in Florida observations pretty consistent. Ten cent lines don't want to cross key numbers and get middled. Instead employ heavy juice, decent prop selection, but not like big multi state operations. Oh thank you, for that review. That was pretty thorough. That was pretty good. I know a guy who won six hundred thousand dollars betting blackjack in Florida. Oh really over the weekend getting murdered by people Jason H eleven,

don't do it, Gilly, don't bet the Commanders. That would absolutely ruin your Thanksgiving. Watching cowboys jump into the Sala Salvation army bin while inflatable, raft Ron looks on dumbfounded. You're right, I don't know that. I can't even though I think that line is high. Is a is a contest which I'm kind of in, so I don't want to mess with it. Gen O'Connor. Short weekend, so no firings. But what's the best odds? Ron rivera next head coach.

Acts can't imagine he gets to spend Thanksgiving thankful he's employed. They're so bad if you if your record against the Dayble Giants is three to zero to one these last two seasons, and yes I'm including last year because the Giants were smoking mirrors and the fact that day boll one Coach of the Year. I'll go to my grave saying was complete malarchy to use someone else's term. But the fact that the fact that the Giants sweep you

is just reason enough. Sky high. What's Birdie's itcherating this year? I wonder not as bad as last year. Last year he was their itch, by the ways, our megapod word for interceptions that should have happened. Sumner Hutches a great rundown on the Rams game. Rams money line never in doubt. And Larry Fresh who just stopped by and said hello. He said, had to stop by and say hi, but I forgot to say thank you for all the content and laughs. Oh man, thank you so much. Please everybody

come by when you get a chance. Here to the Lovely Bar Canada at the d here in downtown Vegas. All right, Black Friday game? What do we got? Dolphins at the Jets seven and three Dolphins the four and six Jets as the Aaron Rodgers coming back? You know buzz died yet or are people still betting this? Yes? No all, Aaron Rodgers keeps saying this coming back, no matter what, now, no matter what. I don't know. I think he still put the the the preface on it

that they have to be in play. Well, they're not gonna be in They're not gonna be Miami beats the Raiders, but they don't cover much of the chagrin of many. After a Vegas punt to start the game, third play for Miami two a rushes forward hit by Luke Masterson, fumbles recovered by Marcus Epps on review, leads to Carlson thirty four yard field goal. That's Daniel Carlson in this case,

three to nothing Las Vegas. Miami then goes seventy five yards two out of Tyreek Reek from thirty eight touchdown, seven to three Miami two oh three left in the first quarter. At this point, you're like, Okay, here comes Miami. They're gonna roll them. They're bullies, right, not tonight, not today in this game. Vegas comes right back seventy five yards O'Connell to DeVante swing for forty six, ten to seven Las Vegas. One second left in the first quarter.

Miami fourth and one at the Vegas three two out of Tyreek. They lose four yards. That's when you kind of knew. Nine oh eight left in the second quarter. After a Las Vegas three and out Reekin and eighth Chane out with injuries, Miami reeks was temporary. Miami goes sixty three yards two at a Salvon Ahmed from eleven out fourteen to ten Miami, two twenty eight left. Second quarter.

After a Las Vegas punt one oh three left in the half, two out of Julian Hill hit by Divine Diablo fumbles, Diablo recovers the Miami thirty two with fifty eight seconds left that led to a Carlson forty seven

yard field goal fourteen to thirteen Miami. Miami just could not get away from the Raiders on the scoreboard third quarter first play the half to a pick deep by Isaiah Poulamau Las Vegas, though with a three and out after that, Sanders did get a forty one yard field goal seventeen to thirteen Miami five twenty six left in the third quarter, and then after a Las Vegas three and out, Sanders a fifty one yard field goal to make it twenty to thirteen Miami with twenty five seconds

left in the third quarter. And you're like, okay, one more score, Miami's gonna cover this one more touchdown. The team's trade punts, Las Vegas matriculates, but fourth and three at the Miami thirty one. O'Connell then incomplete deep so Miami gets the ball back and you're like, they're gonna do it, but they have a three and out. Wait what happened to this team? The injuries? No, not the injuries, they just weren't getting it. They give Las Vegas some credit.

Fourth and six for Las Vegas at the Miami twenty four. They're trying to tie the game. Forget the good cover. O'Connell picked at point blank range, point blank range by Jalen Phillips. One more Miami punt. Las Vegas gets it again. They get it to second and tent at the Miami thirty nine, with thirty two seconds to go, O'Connell picked in the end zone by Jalen Ramsey. Ball game twenty to thirteen Dolphins. They win, but once again do not cover.

Two A twenty eight for thirty nine for three twenty five, two touchdowns, one pick. He was sacked once, he did lose a fumble. Tyreek eleven targets, ten catches for one forty six and a touchdown. I mean, carlas if this dude is the real MVP, incredible, he is the real MVP. Yes, we'll disclosure and I have an MVP ticker his hand right left the gate left the game of hand. That's happened a couple of times this year where he's left

and come back for said it would be fine. After the game, he was just upset it was gonna get into his video game time this week. That dude is gonna get two thousand yards. He is four twenty two to two ninety six total yards advantage for the Dolphins twenty one to twelve. And first, who are they playing? The Jets? Who Black Friday? The Jets Robert Salad talking about benching Zach Wilson. Now, let's get to this game they get They just destroyed by Buffalo. Opening kickoff Xavier

Gibson hit fumbles recovered by Quintin Morris. Jets do force the three and out because the Bills go backwards after Quentin Williams sack of Allen but Bass forty eight yard field goal, three to nothing, Buffalo after a Jets punt, Bass thirty yardfield goal, six to nothing. After another Jets punt, Bass thirty three yardfield goal, nine to nothing. After a Jets three and out Buffalo punt, Wilson second attended his

own twenty seven picked by Rasoul Douglas. Buffalo set up at the Jets twenty four to five plays Allen to James Cook from five out, sixteen to nothing Buffalo. The route was on Jets looks like a three and out fourth and two at their own twenty four two minutes left in the half, but a fake Thomas Moore Stett to Brandon Eckles for eighteen, then fourth and two at

the fifty. Wilson a breeze for fifteen on a play where the Bills medical staff went to tend to Taron Johnson but quickly realized Taylor Rapp needed to mediate attention taking away in an ambulance. Boy, oh boy, the memories of that in Buffalo. So I mean, I mean Rogers before then, but obviously Deamorrow Hamlin last year. It's just incredible.

Jets would eventually score on a Wilson not comparing the two, by the way, but just that field has or that stadium has had a lot of bad things happen there. Jets would eventually score on a Wilson to haul nine yard touchdown pass two point conversion field sixteen to six Jets at the half, excuse me, Sixney sixth Buffalo at the half. Third quarter, Buffalo go seventy five yards Alan to Tye Johnson from twenty eight out on a fourth

and one, twenty two to six. Buffalo Bass misses the pat after a Jets punt Alan to Khalil should care for eighty one twenty nine to six. Six twenty nine left third quarter, the competitive portion of the ball game was over. Buffalo would win it thirty two to six. Wilson and Zach that is seven for fifteen. He completed seven forward passes for eighty one yards, one touchdown, one pick you Zack five times. Tim Boyle would come in

late and throw a pick as well. Buffalo had a three ninety three to one to fifty five total yards advantage. They were plus three in turnovers. The Jets had four, Buffalo had one. That led to plus ten net Buffalo points. This is Miami at the Jets. I'll say Miami minus six. We do not know apparently who the Jets quarterback will be, not that it matters. Miami minus six on the road opened seven, most places up to eight. Ooh, I'm low.

of this take. I can't defend it, can't defend it.

my week. So we've gotten to that point where the values on the suckitude wonderful whole much more to get to guessing lines and i'mbers told the story and they always done. It's Wando's idiots who believe in analytics. This is a numbers game with Gil Alexander our number two of a numbers game at Visa, the sports betting network, Visa dot Com, the Visa app game plus iHeartRadio, YouTube TV.

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody, It's Skill Alexander, It's Kelly Bidlin. Kelly allowed for a Happy Thanksgiving to be uttered for the first time this morning. We talked it out Monday through Friday. We're allowed to say after Thanksgiving, After Thanksgiving, to you and yours. If you're traveling, safe travels, be safe.

Do you know for what genuous amount of games we've ever gotten, which means the second hour will also set a record. That's right, not before because we don't have any buys this week, right, we don't have any buys. Yeah, so this will but we got to we literally described eight different games there, so this should go. Quicker and Tom Stephan we get tweets at beating the book, Tom Stephan will kickers now regularly hit fifty plus yardfield goals.

Talking about Jason Myers with the Seahawks, it's far from the chip shot coaches seem to think it is based on their play calling and key moments of the game. You see it every week. I'm with you, Tom, absolutely, one hundred percent. That's what I said at the end of that recap. I'm like, you know, Jason Myers is a great kicker. He's a great kicker, but you can't count on fifty five outdoors.

because Rivera's terrible. There's a lot of bad coaches, but if you watch football on a week to week basis, no one does more to undermine his team than Sean McVay does. Play calling, the constant running on first down and second and third like it's just it's horrible. And then Pete Carroll did something so bad that it made you forget all about it.

Remember Michi coming Mechi? He said, Mechi, but it's Mechi coming back from cancer and only catching seven pazzes wasn't enough. You really got to impress me. Okay, all right, we got games to get to. What do we got? Were at Falcons? We are on the Sunday Early Window, Saints at Falcons NFC South Clash. We're gonna get ritter A, were gonna get Heineke here for the Falcons. Do we know sounds like Ritter? Right, it sounds like Ritter. Both teams coming off of bye five and five Saints four

and six Atlanta. Nothing to say about either game because there wasn't one for either. I will say the Saints as two and a half point road favorites, not quite three.

Bengals with extra week coming off the Thursday night defeat at the hands of the Ravens, and of course, no Joe Burrow, It's gonna be Jake Brand. Pittsburgh yesterday loses to the Browns thirteen to ten after a Cleveland punt and a Pittsburgh three and out. Cleveland seven play fifty yard drive Jerome fod In from one, seven to nothing Cleveland. And you figured Cleveland's gonna roll, At least I did, because I had Cleveland four thirty five left first quarter.

Hopkins would add a chip shot twenty five yard field goal before the end of the half. Ten to nothing Cleveland at the break, they're controlling the football game, and then by the way Pittsburgh in the first half, punt, punt, punts, punt, end of half. Is that good? Great offense? Picket in the first half was five of eight for thirty four yards,

no touchdown, no picks. He was sacked twice. Steelers were out first down thirteen to four, and they were out gained in total yards one sixty three to sixty four. But then the third quarter comes around, second play of the half Jalen Warren for seventy four, ten to seven Cleveland, and all of a sudden, just like that, Oh no, this you gotta be kidding me, And in my head, I'm like Mike Tomlin's got Cleveland right where he won. This cannot happen. Cleveland converts a fourth and one, but

they have to punt on the next strive. Pittsburgh then three and out, Cleveland three and out. Pittsburgh converts a fourth and one at their own twenty nine, but they punt. Then third and fifteen for Cleveland at the Pittsburgh thirty six, one thirty five left. In the third quarter, dtr picked off deflection by Shannon Sullivan, but another Pittsburgh three and out followed by a twenty yard punt by Presley Harvin, I'm like, all right, this is where Cleveland's gonna take advantage.

But nope, Cleveland three and out ten the third quarter, Oh god, ten to seven. Still. Pittsburgh then matriculates Boswell twenty eight yardfield goal. It's ten to ten, what's seven forty to go? I'm a Cleveland backer, I'm like, this cannot be happening. Pittsburgh cannot be seven and three after this, cannot lose this. Then, at Cleveland three and out, Corey

Bork has twenty five yard punt for the Browns. Pittsburgh starts at their own forty eight with five forty seven to go in a tie game, but they're forced to punt nonetheless. Oh thank goodness for Cleveland backers. Cleveland then has to punt. Pittsburgh gets it back with one forty two to go at their own thirty three and out

though zero yards gain. Cleveland then gets it back at their own thirty five with one eighteen to go, and all of a sudden, Dorian Thompson Robinson wakes up dtr to Elijah Moore for fifteen, to Kareem Hunt for five, to Amari Cooper for eight. They're at the Pittsburgh thirty seven with forty eight seconds to go to David Najoku

for eleven Kareem Hunt in a two yard game. Pittsburgh's d causes Cleveland offensive lineman to react five more yards Hunt for two, and two plays later Dustin Hopkins thirty four yard field goal good Brown's win at thirteen ten Who that was a disgusting football game. Pick at fifteen for twenty eight for one oh six, no touchdowns, no PIXI, but sack three times Jalen Warren nine for one twenty nine.

Remember seventy four on that one runy the touchdown. Only five hundred and eight total yards of offense in the game, but notably Kelly Pittsburgh out gained two fifty nine to two forty nine, keeping their STA streak intact of being outgained in all ten other football games this year. They're at the Bengals Jake Browning not Joe Burrow. I will, yeah, this one is easy to guess, right because this will be exactly like the Browns not having Deshaun Watson. This

is the Bengals not having Joe Burrow. I know that more or less to be the home team favored by a point. Correct, we are Steelers won Steelers one. The Steelers are favored by a point.

home team here against the Panthers. They lose to Jacksonville badly. After the team's traded punts. Levis second and ten at the Jacksonville thirty eight seven to forty nine left first quarter, he fumbled foyesade O Luwa Kwan, who covers leads to a fifty seven yard Jacksonville I've Trevor to Ridley three yard touchdown pass seven and nothing Jacksonville after a fourteen

after a fourteen play thirty four yard Tennessee drive. That's right, fourteen plays thirty four yards that ended with a punt Brandon McManus thirty yard field will ten to nothing Jacksonville. It'd be thirteen to nothing at halftime after a twenty five yard er from McManus. Levis was six of ten for thirty eight in the first half. Tennessee only had

eighty two total yards and only five first downs. Third quarter jackson Jacksonville converted a fourth and four at the Tennessee forty Trevor to Ernest Johnson from Atlanta Studios for thirty four. Two plays later, Lawrence in from nine twenty to nothing Jacksonville, no need to go on. They'd go up twenty seven and nothing. Later in the third quarter on a Lawrence to Ridley pass. Tennessee would finally score a little trigger ration Levis to Hopkins from forty three

to twenty seven to seven. Jacksonville would answer Lawrence in from five thirty four to seven. Thirty four to fourteen was the final. Levis ended up thirteen of seventeen for one fifty eight, two touchdowns, no picks. He was sacked twice. Henry, Derrick Henry, the aging Derrick Henry, it seems now ten for thirty eight. Tennessee was outgained by Jacksonville three nine to two thirty five, three eighty nine to two thirty five. They were doubled up in first downs twenty four to twelve.

They were minus two in turnovers. That led to plus fourteen net Jacksonville points. Carolina at Tennessee, I guess the Titans. The three and seven Titans are favored by four. You are dead on, my friend, by four exactly. They're more if they gotta be playing Carolina. If the Tennessee Titans are more than a field goal favorite, let's do one more real quick Bucks at Colts Bucks. We already talked about.

They talked about. They lost the Niners. Mayfield was twenty nine to forty five in that game for two forty six, one touchdown, one pick. He was sacked four times, and he lost to fumble. They were at a four twenty to two eighty seven total yards disadvantage. They were minus two in turnovers, as we said, but that only led to plus three San Francisco net points. But the other one prevented the key seven for the cover, and then there's Indianapols. Indianapolis coming off of by the five and

five Colts. I will say the Colts are three point favorites in this game. Colts are one and a half point favorites. One and a half. Okay, that might be my first play of the week. I wonder how much this has to do with I believe the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are one of your best cover teams in the NFL. I think the Colts are going to I know backing Gardner Minshew is not fun, but I think coming off a bye, Jonathan Taylor will be that much more ready to be acclimated to all this. I think he's been

ramp up before the bye. I think now he's full strength. I think the Colts. I feel much better about the Colts that I did about any quote unquote value on Washington or the Jets or the Saints. Let's put it that way. Colts might be one of my plays bucks

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It's Gill Alexander, It's Kelly Bidlin guessing lines for week twelve and the National Football League. We get tweets at beating the book, Eric Vigio over there at Caesar's. He says, my get off the lawn tweet. You guys are super pros with all the music back there, he goes, also thanks Gil forgetting public enemies fight the power stuck in my head for the rest of the day. You're quite welcome. I knew someone would catch on. Richard Palmer caught onto

to nineteen eighty nine. Eric, we got to talk about the Caesars app. We got to talk about that. Let's do launch. Steven Vegas always shop around. I saw in Vegas Bland, Deron Bland defensive player of the year from sixty to one to one hundred to one, and then Purdy from twelve to Oh the range I see from twelve to one to eighteen to one. Happy betting fellas. Thank you for that. Stephen Vegas definitely shop around for all these. Nash last name Nash. I'll be on the

commodes with you. I don't know if I'm going to be man, not because I like the number, but simply so I can excuse myself from the dinner table as the adult beverages are flowing and topics like politics get brought up. Commodes plus eleven sweat better greater than drunk family political talks. He says, Oh, Glenn Frommell, thank you for the correction. He says, the Hamlin injury was a road game in Sincy yesterday. The Bills were home. That is correct. I did make that error. Thank you for that.

And Michael Harrison gil I feel for you had woofed in Survivor yesterday, hands down the most frustrating three hours of my life. Worst part was still having a chance at the end, only to have it blown up out of sheer ineptitude. Organization is a disaster. Not fair to the fans, But you know what, Daniel Snyder's gone, and

so everything this year is gravy. I know that's like way simplistic and it doesn't make, you know, make a four and seven season any better, but it's still better than we were three hundred and sixty five days ago. Because of that, they got to get rid of the coaching staff, they got to change the name of the team. But Sam Howell's gonna be fine. They got a quarterback. He just needs an offensive line. They got a draft offensive lineman. We'll do more tweets. We got games to

get to. What do we get? Patriots at Giants? Maybe I should have kept reading tweets the two and eight Patriots at the three and eight Giants, New England coming off of bye Giants in that win over the commodes, Tommy DeVito eighteen for twenty six for two forty six, three touchdown passes, no picks, and he was sacked nine times and they won thirty one and nineteen over Washington.

Remember that nine sack thing. Remember that playoff game where the number one seed Tennessee Titans went up against Joe Burrow and the Bengals and they sacked Burrow nine times and the Bengals and the Bengals still managed to win that playoff game. DeVito, we talked about how Deron Bland has more touchdowns than like the entire Jets wide receiving corps, and more than each of those receivers around the league. You mentioned Tommy DeVito has more touchdown passes six than

Daniel Jones and to Rod Taylor combined. That's an awesome one too. Six to four, that's a great one. Giants were out game by Washington. We said four h three to two ninety two, twenty eight to thirteen in first, but they were plus six and turnovers that led to plus twenty four net Giants points. You ain't losing when you're plus six, and they almost did well. They would have it plus five anyway. I will say the Patriots

minus one and a half. I'll split the difference between pick them and three because between two crappy teams that that line makes sense right house.

race to foot? But am I gonna have like a Commodes Jets, Giants colts like, oh this is gonna be the worst. That's what you were. You're in the boat. I was sitting last week. It is so bad.

two touchdowns. They outgained Tennessee three eighty nine to two thirty five, doubled them up in first there were plus two and turnovers that led directly to plus fourteen net Jacksonville points. And then there's Houston. We haven't talked about this game. Houston beats the Cardinals twenty one to sixteen. If you had the over in this game, oh man,

that would suck. How did not go over? Third play of the game, second and one at the Houston forty eight, Kyler to Rondale More deep touchdown, seven to nothing Arizona. Houston first drive four two at the Arizona fifteen, Mike Boone rushed for no game that led to NATA though three and out Houston. Next drive, they go sixty one all but four yards on Stroud's arms Stroud, de Schultz Dalton Schultz. That is from twenty out seven to seven,

five forty eight left first quarter. Prader adds a field goal to give Arizona the lead again fifty seven yardfield goal. How good is Prader? Ten to seven Arizona. Houston then goes seventy five yards on ten plays singletary in from ten fourteen to ten Houston eleven twenty left second quarter. Then the quarterback's trade picks Kyler deeped to Derek Stingley Junior on the first play of the ensuing drive. Once again, thank you Derek Stinglee Junior for being the third pick

in the draft two drafts ago. That was very good. Then Stroud by Jalen Thompson in the end zone after Houston matriculated. But then after an Arizona punt, Houston takes over at their own twenty six with two to fifteen left in the half. They go seventy four yards Stroud to Tank Dell from forty out twenty one to ten Houston at halftime, this game is soaring over. Yes, uh no, Stroud by the way at halftime. This at halftime. Kelly eighteen for twenty four for two fifty nine, two touchdowns,

one pick. He was sacked once a three thirty three to one forty four advantage in total yards for the Texans. Third quarter after I missed matt Amandola forty eight yard field goal, and by the way, at halftime people actually got Stroud MVP. He's going to be a huge thing tomorrow. Texts not so fast, everybody. Third quarter after a missed matt Amandola forty eight yardfield will try, Arizona fourth and goal at the let's call it the one and a

half Kyler in incredible run. By the way, that was an exciting one and a half yards twenty one to sixteen. But the two point try, which is a Kyler on a rpo he run, that run fails. Two fifty two left in the third quarter, It's twenty one to sixteen,

Houston three and out, Arizona down five. They're stopped on downs fourth and three at the Houston twenty three, murrayed to Dortch for only two Houston drive then extended by a muffed punt, but Stroud second intent the Arizona thirteen, picked by Chris Barnes, who returns at forty six yards with nine to thirty to go. Arizona then stopped on four downs, but then Stroud eventually picked second intent at the Arizona twenty five by Antonio Hamilton's senior with four

fifty eight to go. All of a sudden, Stroud throwing picks Arizona then down five gets it to fourth and eight at the Houston twenty seven with thirty five seconds to go. Murray incomplete pass ball game. Somehow it stays under. Somehow Houston still wins. I guess Houston should have crushed him really without the picks. They were deep in Arizona territory. Twenty one sixteen Texans. Stroud twenty seven for thirty seven

for three thirty six, two touchdowns, three picks. He was sacked three times Singletary twenty two for one to twelve and a touchdown, his first back to back one hundred yard games of his career, and Tankedell eight for one forty nine in a touchdown Jacksonville at Houston, a huge a FC South game. I split the difference between Jacksonville three and a pick em Jacksonville minus one and a half.

very uncomfortable cardiac arrest and leukemia conversation. I'll tell you what's worse than Kyler Murray at sixty to one. You know he's on here at twenty to one. Aaron Rodgers, just stop it. They's just been hanging it there for a few months. By the way, there's also an Aaron Rodgers prop about him taking a snap. Let's have a no option to on that. Yeah, that would be good. Yeah, hold on, there's more tweets. Let me just get to these other two. This is from uh Bainbridge Dewiese. You

think backing Minshew isn't fun? Gil, I'm pretty sure I'm taking Indian in my survivor pool down to me and eight others. Of course I could go to England, Patriots or Tennessee and feel equally nauseous. A what a nauseating weakness is the figure go with the right side? If those are the choices you have left? Yeah and Ben and Ben handor if Gilly, I'm feeling hollow today as

I took your commodes and survivor this weekend. I had a good Sunday betting and fantasy wise, but still left feeling empty, not being able to do the mental gymnastics that is survivor hashtag fire riverboat. Yeah, man, it sucks to lose and survivor this late. And it's really even not that late, you know what I mean. Like in past year, some of us have gotten past Thanksgiving too,

which is really sort of the threshold in circa. And it's it's hard to say this, but like having more than three hundred entries left is still a lot of entries. But it still sucks because exactly what Ben said, not being able to just do the mental gymnastics. Forget the money that you paid to get in, forget the money that you could have won. It's the exercise of it that you miss so much. All right, we got games to get to. All right, we're into the late window.

Brown's at Broncos. Browns and Broncos seven and three. Browns now at the five and five Bronco Cleveland. We talked about Dorian Thompson Robinson twenty four of forty three for one sixty five, no touchdowns, one pick, and he was sag once. He was good when it mattered at the end, Boy was he on that last drive. Only five hundred eight total yards of offense in the game. Cleveland did outgain Pittsburgh. So Pittsburgh, as we mentioned, ten straight games

this year, all of their games outgained. And then there's Denver. Last night, the Broncos lose twenty excuse me, the Broncos win twenty one to twenty. They beat the Vikings. The Broncos in their last three games now are plus ten in turnover differential. They were plus three yesterday. And it was everything. Third play of the game, thirty and one their own thirty four for the Vikings, Dobbs on a designed run stripped by Baron Browning, grabbed by Jaquan mcmillion.

The officiating consultant on the broadcast, I forgot his name says it should have been a fifteen yard flag on Denver. There was an area flag. It did set up a Denver was set up at the Minnesota thirty. The defense did hold, but it led to a Lutz thirty one yard field The Broncos led three to nothing, ten twenty eight left in the first quarter. Dobbs was in and out of the tent after that. After that hit, Minnesota punted Denver three and out. Minnesota down three to nothing.

They go sixty five yards all but eighteen on the ground. First play of the second quarter, Dobbs his shoes, throwing it away or taking the sack. He sheds Jonathan Cooper, he hits Josh Oliver three yard touchdown. Kirk Cousins could never, ever, in a million years have made that play. Seven to three, Vikings Denver three and out. Minnesota gets a back Joseph thirty four yard field goal ten to three. Minnesota eight or nine left in the second quarter. Then Denver gets

a Lutz thirty yard field goal ten to six. Minnesota four to eight left. Minnesota punts after this is the end of this half. Both coaches botched it. Minnesota punts after a terrible play call and pass on third and one at that stopped the clock and gave Denver back the ball with just under a minute left, or just over a minute left. Minnesota was having no problem matriculating on the ground, and I don't know why they did that.

So Denver gets the ball back. They matriculate first intent at their own forty seven with forty seven seconds left, Wilson to Adam Troutman for fourteen. Broncos have two timeouts left, and oddly, nay, stupidly, Kelly, they don't use one of them. By the time the next play was over and they gained five yards and use their second time out. There was only seventeen seconds left in the half at the Minnesota thirty four, so they settle for a Loutz fifty

two yardfield goal. He makes it. But if you had Minnesota money line for the first half, boy, oh boy, did old Sean Payton do you a favor there? Ten to nine Minnesota at halftime, third quarter, Denver three nout Minnesota third and eight at the Denver I don't know what yard line here, Dobbs touchdown. Cousins could never have ever, in a million years made that play. What an unbelievable play by Dobbs. There seventeen to nine, Vikings seven to

fifty five left in the third quarter, Denver three. Now Minnesota matriculates they're about to just put this game away. But first and ten at the Denver thirty four Alexander Madison hit by Deeja Jones and he fumbles recovered by Josie Jewel. Two forty eight left in the third quarter. That would lead to a Lutz thirty seven yard field goal. Seventeen to twelve, Minnesota twelve forty to go. Then Minnesota first and twenty at their own fifteen Hobbs hit by

Josie Jewel, picked by Jakwan mcmillion. Denver set up first and goal to nine. They have to settle, though for a Lutz twenty eight yard field goal. The defense holds for the Vikings after a second down face mask penalty on Mims set the Broncos back seventeen fifteen, Denver ten thirty seven to go, then Minnesota another three and a half, but instead of a punt fake snap to the up back, ty Chandler goes for thirty one. Then third and twenty

at the Denver forty eight. Dobs the ty Chandler for nineteen, fourth and inches at the Denver twenty eight toss Bush convert, but they have to settle for a Joseph thirty yard field goal. Twenty to fifteen Minnesota. Oh no, it's open for Denver backers with a touchdown in a two point conversion to win this three seventeen to go. Denver third and ten at their own twenty five. Sean Payton calls a running play p Ryan Samaje. P Ryan runs for seven.

Obviously he had a fourth down play in mind. They do. Wilson to Sutton on fourth and three for thirteen. What a catch by Sutton. There was also a defensive pi that would have saved him. Also ten plays seventy five yards two fourteen. They get it into the house Wilson to Sutton from fifteen out. The two point conversion will determine the spread. Remember it was two and a half in favor of the Broncos. They're up one twenty one to twenty with one oh three to go. Because of course,

it will no good, not even close. Denver twenty one to twenty. Minnesota did get the ball. They started the twenty five with all three other timeouts. They did convert a fourth and one. After Addison didn't turn it up on second down, Hobbs had an incredible scramble just to get it back to the line on third down. Then Dobbs sneak converts on fourth, but it was four and

out from there. Ballgame. Denver wins it twenty one to twenty, but Minnesota covers for Minnesota backers, that's all that mattered. Wilson twenty seven to thirty five, for two to fifty nine, one touchdown, no picks, He was sacked twice. They were plus three in turnovers that led to three lutz Field goals plus nine Denver points net on that, and that

is all she wrote. And again the Broncos not only plus three and turnovers last night, they're plus ten turnovers when you go back to their games against Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. It's just been an unbelievable ride for

the Broncos and these in these past three weeks. Getting to five hundred, I will say, and this is another one like that Cleveland Cincinnati thing earlier against Pittsburgh where I kind of you kind of know what the line is, right, Denver's got to be about a one and a half point favorite in the same way that they were right around there against Minnesota here against Cleveland.

He was sacked three times, seven carries for fifty one and a touchdown, Arizona by one and a half, splitting the pick in the three at home. This is Rams one point favorites. Like every I said this about the Ram Seahawks last week, the megapod question of what's the game you want? No part of Rams Cardinals will be that game one, absolutely no part. Yeah, I can't imagine. How could you possibly have conviction here?

against the Raiders. This is up to nine and a half. This is another one. I don't want to I don't want to play the Raiders. I'm not going down that road. Week twelve is brutal, brutal for this, but it's definitely you can't you can't make a call on this still afternoon night. My contest entry is going to be the poop poop platterums coming back. Three more to get to I Believe Numbers gave Vison Numbers game on the sports

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knows all about. I'm sure I count on that. Uh. This is we get tweets at beating the book. This is from a Joe named Jim, A Joe named Jim singing Alexander Madison and the Hamilton Cadence. I thought I was the only person on earth that did this. Just you wait, no, man, I do it every time Alexander Madison gets the ball in my head. I'm singing, Yeah, I think that's I think that's a pretty common one. Actually, string fellow Hawk Giants fan here, Tommy DeVito versus Belichick

defense could be pat scoring on defense. I'll lay the three and a half. There you go. I've got a lot of those tweets. Sure, go for it, Archie.

security knows who he is. I know, I know Max Cash. I'm paraphrasing. I'm just joking. He says, set the over under and how many entries will split the Survivor pod. He sets it at nine and a half. I will go over. Oh, I will go over, but not by much. I think it will be in the teens.

there's no chop. But I think if there's fifteen sixteen, I don't think people are racing to chop at that point, even though it's going to be a lot of money, the intrinsic value. I just think people get greedy. They're like, we've been in this for seventeen weeks or eighteen or nineteen w whatever it is. And because there's a Thanksgiving the Christmas, I'm going to the end last year where there was three who chopped at the end and they

did some game, right. Yeah, we think that was smart of them, right because they all guaranteed themselves a nice chunk of cash. I want to say a million each or something. Yeah the rest. Yeah, that's the way you play. But that's three people. If you have fifteen, that ain't happening, I don't think. Plus, remember, you got to organize all this separately, right you know what I mean? Like that is this it's not something that circay handles for you. You have to handle all of that separately. We got

three more to get to. What's next. Bills at Eagles, Bills at Eagles. This is still an afternoon game. Yeah, okay, so the Eagles obviously sight unseen, they played the Chiefs, which is a huge game tonight. This is the Gauntlet. Remember, this is the Eagles Gauntlet. So it doesn't stop the six and five Bills who had the buy against Zach Wilson yesterday at Philly, who's eight and one currently, And that's correct. The Bills have played eleven football games at

this moment and the Eagles have played nine. That will obviously change ten. Tonight. Alan Josh Allen in victory was twenty of thirty two for two seventy five, three touchdowns, one pick. He was sack once Yesterday against the Jets Shakir three for one to fifteen in a touchdown. He had that big long touchdown pass three ninety three to one to fifty five total yards advantage against the inept Zach Wilson and then Tim Boyle led Jets, and they were plus three in turnovers which led to a plus

ten net Buffalo points situation. Philadelphia again places tonight Philadelphia minus four. I will say sight unseen of the Eagles tonight obviously factor is three and a half. Now, Yeah, I think it should be a tick of buck three. Basically, I think we're three and a half. Yeah, Eagles three and a half painted pretty much everywhere. This opened a lot of spots three, which I was kind of eager to get down on the Eagles with on that side, but I wasn't gonna make a bad before the game tonight.

So yeah, three and a half painted everywhere now. Sunday Night Football Ravens at Chargers. Ravens on extra rest. They beat the Bengals on Thursday against the Charge who again torpedoed by their own selves. Charging yesterday against the Packers when Johnston dropped as touchdown, Keenan Allen drop touchdown, Eckler funnel with the two Herbert twenty one of thirty six for two sixty yesterday and defeat at the hands of the Packers two touchdowns, no picks. They were sacked twice,

eight carries for seventy three yards. Herbert does it with his leg sometimes and Keenan Allen despite that, drop ten for one sixteen in a touchdown more by four on the road. Give the Chargers a little respect, but there ed on this one. Yep, Ravens four painted across the board all right. Monday Night Football bears that vikings three and eight bear six and five vikings after they lose last night in dramatic fashion to the Broncos. Fields in

defeat in one of the strangest football games. Again, we started with this game. I don't think we did it enough justice. We didn't start. But it was a second game, Oh no, it was the first game. Fields was sixteen of twenty three for one sixty nine. Yesterday, one touchdown, no picks. He was sacked twice. Eighteen carries for one oh four as is his mo more DJ Moore seven for ninety six and a touchdown. And again they out time of possession Detroit if you will, forty minutes and

twenty four seconds to nineteen thirty six. They were, they were, They were plus two in turnovers. Detroit had four. They had two that led only to plus one Chicago point. That's it. And again this was the weirdest game because Chicago seemingly had it in control. There's four minutes and twenty two seconds after or whatever it was above four minutes, the Lions scored in a blink. It was a three and out, and the Lions scored again, and it was

just like, what just happened? Do you imagine if Aiden Hutchins by the way, that if that safety wasn't a safety and Hutchinson had like scooped and scored it and they had covered Detroit. Yeah, it was the offensive lineman.

touchdown bass and then his scramble run. Kirk Cousins didn't play make those plays. No, never, he never does. Never.

net Denver points. Boy, oh boy, that was everything in that game. Chicago Minnesota. I'll say Minnesota by four and a half, three and a half. Oh, I think I like the vikings there. Then okay, there's a play. I like the way what did you say that the uh what did you say the Baltimore Chargers line was? Or okay, what did you say the Buffalo line was three and a half, which has risen Okay, that opened pretty much three, I think everywhere because if those were if either of

those were three, I would play the favorite. But I'm sure once it gets the three, people will immediately buy it back. What do you read into that movement which they've been Okay, let's start tonight. I guess a good way to close this anyway, start tonight. It's two and a half. There are some threes out there, right, but that is mainly stayed two and a half. All week on that Monday night football game tonight against the Chiefs.

Like you, me and Matt used to talk about on Primetime Action, we were always so shocked by how information or the situation was always out there for as long as it was, and then right before game time it says that I would joke, it's as if there's ten and more million people betting right in this country. I just think people bet when they bet, and most people bet late. They're not like us, They're not immersed in this, and so they wake up Monday morning they're like two

and a half. I gotta bet the Chiefs.

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